=== ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.109] has joined #ubuntu-server === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server === anto9us [n=anthony@cpc3-ptal1-5-1-cust83.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === pabs_ [n=pje@c-68-61-247-219.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:08] ok whos ready for an easy noob question :/ [03:08] how do i start blackbox from the command prompt? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:50] ok i figured it out lol.... [03:50] now i just need to get a terminal in blackbox [03:50] :| === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@80.229.160.88] has joined #ubuntu-server === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === etcp_ [i=foobar@home.etcp.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-186-101.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:26] MarioMeyer: ping === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === LordHunter317 [n=hunter@nat73.vnet.wnec.edu] has joined #ubuntu-server === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@port161-160.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server === pfp [n=pfp@ZKMMDCCCXXIX.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ubuntu-server === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionelp [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.195.224] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.155] has joined #ubuntu-server === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-server === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.223.31] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.192.198] has joined #ubuntu-server === mario [n=mario@195.29.212.226] has joined #ubuntu-server === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has joined #ubuntu-server === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.155] has joined #ubuntu-server === E0x [n=moya@pri-133-b32.codetel.net.do] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-server === visik7 [n=visi@unaffiliated/visik7] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:34] why evms are started at boot ? [03:34] because if you use evms you need it [03:34] and the script doesn't really do much itseld [03:34] itself [03:36] but there is no evms install options === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.192.198] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:37] so? you can install use it later on. evms can take over lvm2 disks for example [03:37] ah [03:37] is there some guide about lvm/evms [03:37] and you don't need to worry about installing the package if you start using it [03:37] not that i know of [03:38] do u use lvm ? [03:38] i am not familiar with evms myself [03:38] eheeh, seems I'm not the only one complaining about it being there :P [03:38] and lvm ? [03:38] i prefer lvm2 but that's a personal choise [03:38] I can't get the differences between lvm and evms [03:38] they both do similar things [03:38] visik7: userland tools [03:38] they just get to it in different ways [03:38] that's the only diff [03:38] spike: not only [03:38] not even that different afaik [03:39] they configure the device-mapper in differnt ways [03:39] evms has also the concept of raid iirc [03:43] brb [04:13] fabbione: I have an external disk how can I snapshot the current system that is an ubuntu installed with lvm ? [04:14] visik7: snapshot as in an lvm snapshot or a backup? === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.228.27] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:14] because the 2 are completely different things [04:14] ah [04:14] maybe I misunderstood something [04:14] a copy of therunning system to restore in case of emergence [04:15] so yes probably a backup [04:17] it's a backup [04:17] but [04:17] you can achieve backup via lvm snapshot [04:17] the question is that with an external drive i assume you want a normal backup [04:18] because playing with lvm snapshot can be tricky if you don't understand lvm [04:18] so if a lvm snapshot isn't a backup what is it ? [04:19] visik7: it can be used as backup, but not on an external disk that you plug/unplug [04:19] it must be connected from the boot ? [04:19] yes [04:19] and you can't unplug it [04:20] lvm snapshots record deltas of metadata [04:20] not the entire thingy [04:20] metadata and data sorry [04:20] yes I understand the problem [04:20] so [04:20] example: [04:20] to backup using lvm the way is ?... [04:20] you have your /foo on lvm [04:21] and there is a file called bar [04:21] a kind of cow [04:21] i make a snapshot of that [04:21] mount the snapshot somewhere [04:21] and create a file called bar [04:21] baz sorry [04:21] baz will appear only on the snapshot [04:21] file bar is in both [04:21] mmm [04:22] but it stored on the real system only once [04:22] so is not what I need [04:22] you want a normal backup [04:22] specially if you don't know lvm concept of snapshot [04:22] that again.. can be used as backup if you know what you are doing [04:24] it's the root partition so it's complicate to snapshot as backup [04:24] I've to reboot [04:24] iirc snapshot can be done live [04:24] check the man page [04:25] it's explained [04:26] which of 40 commands related to lvm ? [04:26] man lvm [04:27] yes there's a short explaination and then a SEE ALSO section of 40 commands [04:27] the 40 commands are all symlinks to lvm binaries just to help users understsand what they are doing [04:27] ah [04:27] :) [04:27] I think it's more complicated than a single blinary [04:30] is there some references on ubuntu wiki ? === spike [n=spike@212.19.104.81] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:31] visik7: check lvm documentation in /usr/share/doc/lvm2 [04:32] visik7: these anyway are really basic questions you can ask in #ubuntu [04:32] ok === erez [n=erez@DSL217-132-171-240.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-server === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.192.198] has joined #ubuntu-server === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike [n=spike@host198-132.pool82189.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62D86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-160.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server === ealden_ [n=ealden@ipdial-189-78.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:15] ealden_, ping [09:32] hohum... === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"]