[12:19] <signifer123> good day
[01:08] <qwizzztest> mhz: when you get back, the original semi-root user can log into the terminal even when it (the semi root usr) is logged into the server, and none of the users I create 
[01:08] <qwizzztest> can login through the terminal machine at all.
[01:31] <qwizzztest> hi
[01:32] <qwizzztest> does read error: 110 mean you guys can't see me any more?
[01:52] <qwizzztest> Anybody here?
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> yes
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> me
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> :p
[01:52] <qwizzztest> :D
[01:53] <qwizzztest> I'm having some trouble with ltsp
[01:54] <qwizzztest> I can only log onto the terminal clients with the original user created during OS install.
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> :O
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> that wrong
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> can't you see gdm?
[01:58] <qwizzztest> ??
[02:00] <Lord_Athur> cannot you see any graphical applications? (the first to see is gdm(where you enter graphically))
[02:01] <Lord_Athur> i've to go
[04:43] <qwizzztest> hello?
[03:37] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about this? http://www.juliux.de/ubuntu/edubuntudvdcover.png
[03:39] <ogra> nice, but sadly doesnt gain us anything for dapper :)
[03:40] <jsgotangco> oohhh cd coverr
[03:43] <juliux> jsgotangco, no a cover for a dvd box
[03:43] <juliux> ogra, we also will make a dapper version
[03:43] <juliux> ogra, we will make edubuntu dvd boxes for the cebit
[03:44] <ogra> juliux, re: dapper version for DVD box, thats nice ! 
[03:45] <ogra> we'll pretty sure get the pressed install CD this time btw ...
[03:45] <juliux> cool
[03:45] <juliux> for the cebit we will burn dvds so we can give something about edubuntu away
[03:46] <ogra> yup
[03:55] <jsgotangco> grrr
[04:01] <ogra> nobody answers my call for serial mice testing :'-(
[04:02] <ogra> *sniff*
[04:03] <ogra> its one command to issue ... not really time consuming ...
[04:04] <ogra> but anyway if nobody answers with some data we wont have serial mouse support and i'll have less work to do ... fine even :)
[04:04] <jsgotangco> serial
[04:04] <jsgotangco> this laptop has no serial
[04:05] <jsgotangco> i wish it had
[04:06] <ogra> i think thats the point ... and thats why we have this longstanding bug since warty ...
[04:06] <jsgotangco> ogra, do you plan to go to linuxtag?
[04:06] <ogra> nobody has the equipment to even do tests
[04:07] <ogra> jsgotangco, it overlaps with some other stuff iirc (have forgotten what )
[04:07] <ogra> i'll surely be at FOSDEM 
[04:07] <jsgotangco> err FOSDEM is too soon
[04:07] <ogra> but FOSDEM doesnt clash with my dates
[04:09] <jsgotangco> i still have a serial mouse somewhere downstairs but i doubt if it still works
[04:21] <spacey> i don't have any serial stuff either
[04:21] <spacey> why do people insist using such stuff
[04:33] <ogra> many users of thin clients in poorer countries do ...
[04:34] <ogra> but its solved for LTSP already ...
[04:34] <ogra> mdz just asked if i could solve it for the whole distro and add automatic detection
[04:35] <jsgotangco> are you still in london?
[04:36] <ogra> yup
[04:36] <ogra> until tomorrow
[04:39] <jsgotangco> ahh goodie
[05:14] <dungodung> I've just installed Edubuntu
[05:14] <dungodung> but my mp3s and videos won't play
[05:14] <dungodung> are there codecs I should install?
[05:15] <ogra> dungodung, see the RestrictedFormats page on wiki.edubuntu.org
[05:16] <dungodung> will do
[05:51] <dungodung> how do I go about installing a .rpm?
[06:05] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: sorry, it's been 4 years since I used rpm
[06:06] <mhz_dinner> but i guess you could do $sudo apt-cache search rpm
[06:06] <dungodung> then why do they exist?
[06:06] <mhz_dinner> rpm = are for redhat based packages
[06:07] <dungodung> oh
[06:07] <mhz_dinner> while deb = debian based packages
[06:07] <mhz_dinner> they are already packaged for each distro
[06:07] <dungodung> so ubuntu is based on debian, right
[06:07] <dungodung> ?
[06:07] <dungodung> which means that I shouldn't use rpms?
[06:07] <mhz_dinner> however, you can always download the 'source' package (usually tar.gz) and compile it for your own needs
[06:08] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: it means unless you know what you are doing, you don't need to use rpms
[06:08] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: there is a Package Manager called Synaptics
[06:08] <dungodung> I know that
[06:08] <mhz_dinner> use it to search for applications you need
[06:09] <mhz_dinner> and it will install it for you taking care of dependencies and updating your system
[06:10] <dungodung> but synaptic doesn't have what I want
[06:10] <dungodung> e.g. amarok, mplayer, pptpconfig, some codecs
[06:11] <mhz_dinner> ohhh, it does
[06:11] <mhz_dinner> you need to enable it to look for those packages in the other repositories
[06:11] <dungodung> not edubuntu
[06:12] <dungodung> and I can't connect to internet yet over edubuntu
[06:12] <dungodung> so I have to download some packages from WinXP for now
[06:12] <mhz_dinner> ohhh
[06:12] <mhz_dinner> i see
[06:12] <dungodung> I hope pptpconfig enables my wireless connection
[06:13] <mhz_dinner> :D then it is not a problem of your APT manager but you connecting to web ?
[06:13] <dungodung> and how do I install anything
[06:13] <dungodung> ?
[06:13] <dungodung> make install?
[06:13] <mhz_dinner> depends...
[06:13] <mhz_dinner> if you get your .deb packages
[06:14] <mhz_dinner> you run $ dpkg -i the_package.deb
[06:14] <mhz_dinner> I guess synaptics can do that for you too
[06:16] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: however, the easiest and fastest way (and more safe) is to get your edubuntu box connected to web
[06:16] <dungodung> well that
[06:16] <dungodung> well that's what I'm trying
[06:16] <mhz_dinner> but I have never used wi-fi yet
[06:16] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: any chances you can try with cables?
[06:16] <dungodung> mhz_dinner: I found pptpconfig.rpm...
[06:17] <dungodung> mhz_dinner: cables?
[06:17] <dungodung> my ISP suggested that I should buy a router (50E)
[06:17] <dungodung> and I don't feel like spending that much money
[06:17] <dungodung> the other option is pptpconfig and I can't seem to find the appropriate one
[06:18] <mhz_dinner> hehehe
[06:18] <mhz_dinner> they hardly know more than any enduser
[06:18] <dungodung> well, with my ISP, it should be NEVER^n (n->inf.)
[06:18] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: can you tell us your network environment layout?
[06:19] <dungodung> network environment layout? what would that be?
[06:19] <dungodung> :}
[06:19] <mhz_dinner> example:   ISP -> cable Modem -> home-server -> swithc -> boxes
[06:20] <dungodung> oh
[06:20] <dungodung> ISP -> antenna on my roof -> some cables -> my computer (ethernet - wifi)
[06:22] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: and your edubuntu box 'must' use wi-fi? can't it be ethernet cable while we get all you need?
[06:22] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: ooh, you have only one computer?
[06:22] <dungodung> yes
[06:22] <dungodung> I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31516
[06:23] <mhz_dinner> and those "some cables" what are for?
[06:25] <dungodung> for connecting wifi with the antenna
[06:25] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: simple..  add the following to your repository.
[06:26] <mhz_dinner> deb http://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/ pptpconfig/
[06:26] <mhz_dinner> deb http://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/ php-gtk/
[06:26] <dungodung> and the one for electricity
[06:26] <dungodung> how do I add to repository?
[06:26] <mhz_dinner> can we use a terminal?
[06:26] <dungodung> well I'm in windows
[06:26] <mhz_dinner> ohh
[06:27] <mhz_dinner> so that box is dualboot?
[06:27] <dungodung> and I don't, obviously, have internet in linus
[06:27] <dungodung> *x
[06:27] <dungodung> yes, I'm having grub manage linux/win
[06:28] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: donwload http://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/pptp-linux-1.5.0.tar.gz
[06:28] <mhz_dinner> to your guindouz box
[06:28] <dungodung> ok...
[06:28] <dungodung> done
[06:29] <mhz_dinner> get that tar.gz to your linux HD /home partition
[06:29] <mhz_dinner> (usb stick, floppy, cd, somewhow ) :D
[06:30] <mhz_dinner> oooppp, sorry,
[06:30] <dungodung> I can access the files from linux
[06:30] <mhz_dinner> family forcing me to have lunch
[06:30] <dungodung> it's ntfs, but I found a way
[06:30] <dungodung> ok, you go on
[06:30] <dungodung> I'll manage
[06:30] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: you'll have to compile it
[06:30] <dungodung> bon apetit
[06:30] <dungodung> how?
[06:32] <mhz_dinner> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wifi&titlesearch=Titles
[06:32] <mhz_dinner> in that wiki, you'll find tons of useful info
[06:32] <mhz_dinner> to compile
[06:32] <mhz_dinner> or maybe even pptpconfig
[06:33] <dungodung> allright
[06:33] <dungodung> thank you VERY much
[06:33] <dungodung> now, go eat ;))
[06:33] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: you also have
[06:33] <mhz_dinner> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wifi&titlesearch=Titles
[06:33] <mhz_dinner> sorry
[06:33] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: you also have pptp-linux
[06:34] <mhz_dinner> i guess that is included in the CD
[06:34] <mhz_dinner> so maybe even you already have it
[06:34] <mhz_dinner> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/mppeVPNhowto?highlight=%28pptpconfig%29
[06:35] <mhz_dinner> dungodung: thx
[06:35] <dungodung> :D
[10:34] <signifer123> hello
[10:55] <Lord_Athur> hi signifer123