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| Riddell | Mez: hi | 10:02 |
| seth | good morning riddell | 10:06 |
| seth | you're up moderately early | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | wow...morning Riddell | 10:09 |
| Riddell | it's saturday! a whole day of hacking ahead of me | 10:10 |
| Tm_T | lucky you ;) | 10:11 |
| Tm_T | lucky we! | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | does that mean that i should ask you for help then? | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | or leave you to your hacking in peace? | 10:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: go ahead | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | getting the bugs out of asciiquarium | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | tried to build it, but got this... | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | *finds link* | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7969 | 10:19 |
| Riddell | it's trying to copy to /usr/bin | 10:20 |
| Riddell | you want to copy to $(CWD)/debian/tmp/usr/bin or the like | 10:20 |
| Riddell | slap it on revu and I can take a look at it | 10:20 |
| Hobbsee | *nods* - what's $(CWD)? | 10:21 |
| Tm_T | CoWarD? | 10:21 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 10:21 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:21 |
| Tm_T | ok, more caffeine -> | 10:21 |
| Hobbsee | and the command for uploading the bits you want is? it's no longer in my history... | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | oh...current working directory? | 10:24 |
| seth | ugh, 3:30 am | 10:25 |
| seth | bed for me | 10:25 |
| seth | g'night all | 10:25 |
| Riddell | current working directory | 10:26 |
| Riddell | variable may not be correct | 10:27 |
| Riddell | debuild -S -sa; cd ..; dput revu foo.dsc | 10:27 |
| Hobbsee | gotcha | 10:28 |
| Hobbsee | shoot! | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | double shoot! | 10:31 |
| Riddell | hmm? | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | my keys are no longer there....i must have lost that folder in the reinstall... | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | i have the revoke.asc, but that's it | 10:32 |
| === Hobbsee sighs in relief | ||
| Hobbsee | it's in the backup | 10:33 |
| Riddell | phew | 10:33 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | Not a .changes file. | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | Please select a .changes file to upload. | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | Tried to upload: aasaver_0.3.2-0ubuntu1.dsc | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | and i'm not sure that dput is still configured | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | in fact, if it's in /etc/ it wont be | 10:35 |
| Riddell | good point | 10:36 |
| Riddell | dput revu *changes | 10:36 |
| Hobbsee | argh! remind me to never, ever reinstall again! | 10:36 |
| Riddell | keep your /home on a separate partition | 10:36 |
| Hobbsee | i did - i had a backup of the entire thing - but that doesnt save all the settings in /etc | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | ok, they're uploaded | 10:37 |
| Mez | Riddell: did you get my email | 10:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: gotta go to dinner, back in an hour or so | 10:45 |
| Riddell | Mez: yep | 10:46 |
| Mez | good to hear :D | 10:46 |
| Riddell | Mez: I can't upload anything just now, soyuz rollout | 10:46 |
| Mez | lol - see I am working on them - slowly but surely | 10:46 |
| Riddell | :) | 10:47 |
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| Mez | whens it gonna be finished rolling out? | 11:17 |
| Mez | and will we upload in the same old manner | 11:17 |
| Riddell | Mez: nobody knows. yes see ubuntu-devel-announce | 11:19 |
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| MrFaber | hi all | 12:00 |
| === MrFaber pings mornfall | ||
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| mornfall | what? | 12:04 |
| mornfall | MrFaber: hi | 12:05 |
| MrFaber | hi mornfall | 12:05 |
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| MrFaber | I have a suggestion for adept | 12:05 |
| MrFaber | If I remove a package on which other depends it removes all. Thats ok but there should be at least a warning | 12:06 |
| MrFaber | Otherwise it is very easy to destroy whole system | 12:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: pign | 12:06 |
| Hobbsee | *ping | 12:06 |
| mornfall | MrFaber: CLOSED DUPLICATE 112819 | 12:08 |
| MrFaber | mornfall: ? | 12:08 |
| mornfall | MrFaber: consult http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112819 | 12:08 |
| MrFaber | mornfall: thanks | 12:09 |
| MrFaber | sorry, I couldn' test it in dapper | 12:10 |
| mornfall | MrFaber: it's not fixed, just that it is already filed, so no need to ask again | 12:10 |
| mornfall | i will get to it when i have time | 12:10 |
| MrFaber | great | 12:11 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: is someone gonna patch KWord - or should I? | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: Riddell asked me to build versions that were on http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/koffice/ so i'm presuming it already got patched | 12:25 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: yeah, we're working on it | 12:25 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: ok, cool | 12:26 |
| === mornfall coding to the tune of $artist - $title | ||
| mornfall | err | 12:27 |
| mornfall | coding to the tune of Suzanne Vega - (I'll never be) your Maggie May | 12:27 |
| mornfall | that's better :) | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:27 |
| === jpatrick gets back to fixing kalzium-simulations | ||
| Hobbsee | chug chug chug....building... | 12:29 |
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| === Hobbsee wishes she had a faster computer at this point | ||
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: so do I | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | think this will end up running while i sleep, then will be done when i come back in the morning | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | and so i'll probably end up starting the breezy one before work tomorrow, and letting it run | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | that'll get them all done in....24 hours or so... | 12:41 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: kalzium-simulations lives! | 12:53 |
| === Hobbsee watches kalzium-simulations suddenly die on jpatrick | ||
| Riddell | jpatrick: amazing what you can do with a bit of chemistry :) | 12:55 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I can't see asciiquarium on revu | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | *sighs* i did the command... | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | is there an aasaver on there? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | oh, yes there is | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | that's it :) | 12:57 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: aasaver uses scons | 01:18 |
| Riddell | a whole new build system | 01:18 |
| Riddell | I got it working using the debian/rules file from kdissert | 01:18 |
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| Riddell | (with kdissert specific parts removed) | 01:18 |
| Riddell | hi Czessi | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: true, and ok | 01:18 |
| Czessi | Hi Riddell | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | how'd you know to use kdissert? | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | it also uses scons? | 01:19 |
| Riddell | kdissert is one of the few other programs to use scons :) | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | right | 01:20 |
| mornfall | eww scons :-) | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | so you mean, not only did it look like it needs some form of library packaged, it uses some warped system called scons as well???? | 01:21 |
| === Hobbsee is slowly going insane here | ||
| Hobbsee | no wonder i had trouble - sheesh! | 01:21 |
| Riddell | sorry! I thought this would be a simple package | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | hehe no problems | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | as long as someone's here to help pick up the pieces when it all screws up :) | 01:21 |
| mornfall | when it breaks, you ought to keep both pieces | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | breaking into only 2 bits? you're optimistic! | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you think you could send me the kdissert file that you modified to work, so then i can compare it to the normal kdissert debian/rules file, etc? | 01:28 |
| Riddell | I just removed the parts the mentioned the .xpm files | 01:29 |
| Hobbsee | *nods* | 01:29 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/rules | 01:29 |
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| Hobbsee | thanks :) | 01:30 |
| Hobbsee | so that's all it needed, rather than some crazy long thing that dh_make made? | 01:30 |
| Riddell | it uses cdbs so hides a lot of the debhelper stuff in the two includes at the top | 01:31 |
| Riddell | dh_make template doesn't use cdbs and gives you the full thing (which is important to learn) | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | true - i'm sure i will learn it at some point | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | wish i could build 2 things at once - i'd really like to actually *see* asciiquarium build, without errors | 01:40 |
| Riddell | you could just build it locally, not in a chroot or pbuilder or whatever | 01:41 |
| Riddell | just run debuild | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | true | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | but my poor little machine might die if i did that, while building an office suite | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | what's the policy for getting it into dapper, or am i too late for that? | 01:43 |
| Riddell | new packages in dapper are fine | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | ok :) | 01:46 |
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| Hobbsee | maybe i'll just sleep with it here | 02:14 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: eh? | 02:15 |
| jpatrick | ;) | 02:15 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: new kalzium-simulations package uploaded | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: my laptop, building koffice, is in my bedroom, and it's past midnight | 02:15 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: "sleep with it" <- I'm sorry | 02:16 |
| === Hobbsee thwacks jpatrick! | ||
| jpatrick | ouchy | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | you have one dirty mind...i thought that ended when i left work today!!! | 02:16 |
| jpatrick | I said I was sorry | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: apology accepted :) | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | i just thought it was funny, too | 02:19 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: I'm love someone, but in my case is given not recieved | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | :( | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | poor jpatrick | 02:20 |
| jpatrick | been like that for 4 months | 02:21 |
| jpatrick | now what did I do wrong? :: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/538336 | 02:23 |
| \sh | jpatrick: you should use the .dsc file instead of the .changes file for the call with pbuilder | 02:27 |
| jpatrick | \sh: arg! | 02:27 |
| jpatrick | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1655 | 02:28 |
| \sh | jpatrick: and find a new love :) | 02:29 |
| jpatrick | \sh: I've tried that..... | 02:29 |
| \sh | jpatrick: and stay alone :) it's much easier | 02:29 |
| === jpatrick crosses his name off the CommunityCouncilAgenda | ||
| \sh | why? | 02:32 |
| jpatrick | I'm not going to be able to be there | 02:32 |
| \sh | then mark your name "considered next time, because I can't attend the upcoming meeting" | 02:32 |
| jpatrick | I've missed two meetings so far | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | night all... | 02:35 |
| \sh | sleep well Hobbsee | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | will do | 02:35 |
| jpatrick | night | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | with the machine buzzing all night :) | 02:35 |
| === Hobbsee glares and laughs at jpatrick | ||
| jpatrick | ? | 02:36 |
| === Riddell gets knetworkmanager working | ||
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| jpatrick | wb nlindblad | 02:36 |
| Riddell | anyone had problems with gtk-qt-engine? | 02:37 |
| nlindblad | thanks | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh, a few, with the settings not sticking | 02:37 |
| Riddell | hmm, not heard of that | 02:38 |
| luka | Riddell: do you need testers for knetworkmanager? ;-) | 02:39 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: someone had problems yesterday | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | ie, change settings, hit apply, close SS, open fx, no change, repeat till it works | 02:39 |
| Riddell | luka: no, it needs a cvs version of networkmanager and that won't get into ubuntu so looks like no knetworkmanager for dapper | 02:39 |
| luka | Riddell: not even universe? | 02:40 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: but it does work eventually? | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yep | 02:40 |
| Riddell | luka: no can do if the network manager isn't new enough | 02:40 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: could be gconftool-2 being it's usualy self | 02:40 |
| Riddell | i.e. taking 10 minutes to update anything | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | no idea - i might test more in the morning | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | well, later in the morning | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as it's almost 1, and mum will be very peeved to still find me up | 02:43 |
| Riddell | bah, parents :) | 02:43 |
| Riddell | they don't know what's good for you | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 02:43 |
| === Hobbsee is a night owl, not a morning person | ||
| Hobbsee | they didnt even understand the concept of getting the debuild going, so that it could run while i did other things... | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | silly paretns... | 02:44 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: I know what yo mean | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | it sucks! | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | :P nigth all... | 02:44 |
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| Tonio_ | hi all :) | 03:22 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_ | 03:23 |
| === Tonio_ has just replaced 2 win 2003 servers by ubuntu in his company ;) | ||
| Riddell | woo | 03:24 |
| Riddell | not kubuntu? | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ubuntu server | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | I don't want both kde or gnome on the server side.... | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | actually, I will eventually install a very light DM like icewm, or maybe nothing... | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | proxy + reverse proxy + vpn server + print server + smtp/antispam/antivirus | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | all of that is now linux based ;) | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | I'm looking for a good groupware replacement for exchange, but I don't find something very convenient... | 03:27 |
| Riddell | we should make a kubuntu server | 03:27 |
| Riddell | wouldn't be hard to do | 03:27 |
| Riddell | cp ubuntu-server.iso kubuntu-server.iso | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is it very necessary ? | 03:27 |
| Riddell | not in the slightest :) | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | you can install a naked server distribution and then kde if you want it | 03:27 |
| Riddell | but got to keep up with the neighbours | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | I personnaly don't like servers with DM installed..... | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | the more features installed, the more security holes you have ;) | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the idea is to build an architecture that we could you for example for our clients, and then including ubuntu in comercial propositions :) | 03:30 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 04:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: pong | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was thinking about knemo | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | it is very efficient, but requires a few config | 04:33 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | couldn't it become installed by default with kubuntu-desktop and config by kubuntu-default-settings ? | 04:33 |
| Riddell | possibly, if it has sane default setup and doesn't get in the way | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | it can be configured to be valid on about all computers transparently | 04:34 |
| Riddell | (knetworkmanager is nicer but that won't happen) | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm putting a config file in kubuntu-default-settings to let you see and then we may discuss that ;) | 04:34 |
| Riddell | sure | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: knetworkmanager is planeed for dapper+1 no ? | 04:35 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: did you ever find out why the bookmarks manager appears on restored konqueror? | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes I saw that | 04:35 |
| Riddell | planned for whenever we get a network manager that's compatible with it (== CVS only just now) | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | apparently is happens if you set that up on machines where konq config has already been done.... | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | on a fresh installation I never saww that problem | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm searching a way to get it really hidden.... that can be (I think) done with konquerorrc file | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's on my list for the kde config I'm working on | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning knetworkmanager, there is something call netswitch that does about the same job.... | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | the kde frontend may be ready before dapper | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | could be an alternative waiting for knetworkmanager | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | I tested it and it works nicely with the shell and gnome frontend, very nice application | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://netswitch.tuxfamily.org/en/index.html | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kubuntu is on the supported list | 04:40 |
| Riddell | nice thing about knetworkmanager is it's just a frontend, someone else can deal with the management stuff :) | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think netswitch does the same | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | there is a real backend working behind | 04:41 |
| Riddell | yeah, but if I upload it it's my responsibility :) | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I konw that ;) | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | s/konw/know | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that it may conflict with networkmanager..... so adding it may be problematic | 04:43 |
| Riddell | yeah, that's one of the problems Keybuk is having the networkmanager and ifup/ifdown | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | is networkmanager installation planned by default with dapper ? | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | if it is not, maybe netswitch could be installed with kubuntu-desktop | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | I'm sure we could find many motus ready to help you testing everything before integration | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | I would, and raphink certainly too | 04:46 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: networkmanager is still undecided I think | 04:46 |
| Riddell | it won't be in kubuntu anyway | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | that network tools missing is a pain for kde.... so not installing the one that looks the more promissing at the moment is somehow sad ;) | 04:47 |
| Riddell | netswitch doesn't have a KDE fronend yet according to its website | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is in the work | 04:47 |
| Riddell | yep, but feature freeze in 3 weeks | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | I could contact the upstream to have an idea of a possible release date | 04:47 |
| Riddell | please do | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and if it is ready for "in 2 weeks", and that we spend a complete week testing everything ? | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | okay :) | 04:48 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I'll believe it when I see it :) | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know ^^ | 04:49 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: ping | 05:15 |
| Riddell | hi freeflying | 05:18 |
| freeflying | Riddell: have u notice this bug about sudo :https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/30432 | 05:18 |
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| mornfall | http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-installer-0.png -- this is how applications are born :D | 05:46 |
| Riddell | ooh ooh ooh | 05:47 |
| Riddell | and media:/ now shows hard disks | 05:47 |
| Riddell | mornfall: can I add that to my blog of interesting developments? | 05:48 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i plan to have a better prototype tonight :) but however you like | 05:49 |
| Riddell | that'll betoo late, going out tonight :) | 05:49 |
| mornfall | aha :) | 05:49 |
| Riddell | mornfall: apparantly the spec has been passd to mark for further review | 05:49 |
| mornfall | Riddell: mdz mailed me in the meantime | 05:50 |
| mornfall | Riddell: first 3 items ack'd, deadline on 23rd | 05:50 |
| Riddell | oh, excellent :) | 05:50 |
| mornfall | so i'm trying to get something done this weekend ;-) | 05:52 |
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| hunger | This new gnome stuff in ubuntu-desktop totally screws up my kde desktop. | 07:30 |
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| mornfall | http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-installer-1.png :-) | 08:25 |
| seth | mm, camembert | 08:26 |
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| mornfall | http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-installer-2.png -- using packages and sections since i don't have .desktop parser yet :-) | 08:47 |
| OculusAquilae | nice | 08:57 |
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| Mez | Riddell, ping | 10:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: dapper ones are done - it's made a whole lot of debs | 11:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you want them uploaded to revu, i take it? | 11:47 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, whatcha packaging outta curiosity | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: koffice | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | from riddell's site | 11:55 |
| Mez | ouch | 11:55 |
| Mez | why | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | because i got asked to? | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | the kword was broken before | 11:56 |
| Mez | lol | 12:00 |
| Mez | fair enough | 12:00 |
| Mez | thats a horrid task though | 12:00 |
| Mez | but then so is backporting KDE | 12:00 |
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