[12:01] <LjL> http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/
[12:01] <LjL> no .deb though anymore
[12:03] <_td> is anyone a wireless lan expert?
[12:03] <_td> is anyone a wireless lan expert?
[12:04] <beefsprocket> _td: no, but are you using wpa or wep?
[12:04] <`Nomad> excellent, thanks, I was googling for it
[12:04] <LjL> `Nomad: it should be all written in some scripting language, so hopefully it won't need any installation
[12:07] <`Nomad> There,s source and rpm.  I'll try converting the RPM to a deb first, and if that fails I'll compile from scratch
[12:07] <LjL> `Nomad: i'm sorry it isn't turning out as easy as i had stated, but i didn't imagine they had removed winetools from the repository
[12:07] <`Nomad> I'm also removing wine and re-installing
[12:07] <LjL> are you sure it's *source*?
[12:07] <LjL> don't reinstall wine, no need to... just move your current .wine directory somewhere else, like .wine-old
[12:07] <`Nomad> This is quite fine.. easy enough.. Hard is trying to get my *?!%#& printer to work :)
[12:08] <Zeusz> hy all
[12:08] <_td> beefsprocket: i turned off security in order to get it working - just to see it work
[12:08] <Zeusz> can u pls tell me where can I install new fonts ?
[12:08] <_td> beefsprocket:  i was working the issue a minute ago with another person who asked me to try that
[12:08] <beefsprocket> but even then it doesn't?
[12:08] <beefsprocket> Zeusz: use system settings, fonts
[12:09] <beefsprocket> _td: did it work?
[12:09] <LjL> `Nomad: i've got the .tar.gz, that doesn't look like source - it still needs to be installed, but according to the INSTALL file, it's a matter of running "./install"
[12:09] <_td> beefsprocket: yes, i can see the wlan, and when i do dhclient3 wlan0 dosnt work
[12:09] <_td> beefsprocket: no, it is not working
[12:09] <beefsprocket> kk
[12:09] <LjL> `Nomad: (i mean, it *does* look like source, just not that kind of source that needs to be compiled :)
[12:10] <Zeusz> 10x
[12:10] <beefsprocket> _td: try setting your ip and settings manually
[12:11] <beefsprocket> did I read somewhere that you have dwl-650+?
[12:11] <_td> beefsprocket: hm, ok -- how?
[12:11] <_td> beefsprocket: yes, 650+
[12:11] <beefsprocket> well, lets see. you can use system settings for gui, or you can edit /etc/networking/interfaces
[12:12] <beefsprocket> also, can you see any other ap's around you?
[12:12] <_td> beefsprocket: how do i check for other APs?
[12:13] <beefsprocket> well, use the same tool that you use to see yours -- kwifimanager, wifiradar, kismet (great tool this), network-manager
[12:15] <Knowerrors> Anybodby know how to get Synaptic to have same look/them as rest of kde?  I have gtk look and feel configured, so most of my apps do have plastic them, including gaim and openoffice, Synaptic and qtparted are two that don't
[12:16] <monteiro> is there any installed firewall with kubuntu ?
[12:16] <Knowerrors> monteiro: yup, iptables
[12:16] <Knowerrors> its built into linux
[12:16] <Knowerrors> preconfigured, very secure for most people
[12:18] <`Nomad> LjL: I reinstalled wine, and installed winetools:  Here's what I get.. Does it make any sense to you?   http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/537732
[12:19] <monteiro> Knowerrors: but with any default rules ?
[12:19] <LjL> `Nomad: looks like it can't find Xdialog... did you install from rpm or .tar.gz in the end?
[12:19] <Knowerrors> monteiro: the way kubuntu/ubuntu comes with default rules is quite secure
[12:20] <`Nomad> rpm
[12:20] <LjL> `Nomad: try "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/Xdialog /usr/local/bin/Xdialog"
[12:20] <Knowerrors> go test your kubuntu installation on sequrity sites like pcflank and symanatech
[12:20] <`Nomad> did it, same thing
[12:20] <`Nomad> am I missing Xdialog?
[12:20] <LjL> `Nomad: don't think so, if "ln -s" didn't give you an error
[12:21] <Knowerrors> `Nomad: you know how to get Synaptic and Qtparted to look the same as rest of KDE?
[12:21] <LjL> `Nomad: (or just try typing "Xdialog")
[12:21] <`Nomad> yup, just tested it, I don't have it..
[12:21] <`Nomad> that may be my whole problem :)
[12:21] <LjL> `Nomad: i would personally remove the rpm and use the tar.gz, after all that's what the author says Debian users should use...
[12:21] <`Nomad> oh?
[12:22] <`Nomad> ok I will
[12:22] <LjL> `Nomad: oh. thought it was a default tool, really. anyway, the package is called "xdialog", surprisingly ;)
[12:22] <LjL> no
[12:22] <LjL> if you didn't have xdialog, try installing it first
[12:22] <monteiro> Knowerrors: i'm just asking , because i installed kubuntu and my internet is very slow when loading webpages
[12:23] <LjL> Knowerrors: try downloading a large file with wget to actually know what speeds you're getting
[12:23] <medgno> is there a known problem with the keyboad layout section of control center in 3.5.1?
[12:23] <LjL> Knowerrors: like the Ubuntu ISO from the fastest mirror you can find, for example
[12:23] <Knowerrors> monteiro: do you connect directly to net (broadband) or dialup?
[12:23] <`Nomad> weird, it seems to be unable to setup .wine as me, in my home dir
[12:23] <LjL> Knowerrors: sorry, clearly i wanted to address monteiro
[12:24] <Knowerrors> LjL: that wasn't my question :)
[12:24] <monteiro> Knowerrors: broadband
[12:24] <Knowerrors> np
[12:24] <LjL> `Nomad: perhaps a .wine/ directory has somehow already been created that is owned by root?
[12:25] <Knowerrors> monteiro: have you tried a speed test site? test it on ubuntu, then test on windows, same computer if possbile
[12:26] <`Nomad> nope, but it's all going now usin gthe tar file
[12:26] <`Nomad> ;)
[12:26] <monteiro> Knowerrors: i've tested opening the same webpage and in windows 4 seconds, in kubuntu 30 seconds and don't opens all images
[12:27] <LjL> `Nomad: that's good, hope the rpm hasn't done funny stuff to any files
[12:27] <Knowerrors> monteiro: you try multiple browsers?
[12:27] <monteiro> Knowerrors: yes, same think
[12:27] <Knowerrors> firefox, mozilla, opera
[12:27] <medgno> is the keyboard layout applet barren for anyone else on 3.5.1?
[12:27] <LjL> monteiro: you using the same DNS server as you were in Windows?
[12:28] <monteiro> yes
[12:28] <`Nomad> Argh!!  I wish I could back out of 3.5.1:    /usr/local/bin/wt: line 130: 14277 Segmentation fault      winecfg -D
[12:28] <LjL> hmm
[12:28] <LjL> (3.5.1?)
[12:28] <slow-motion> n8
[12:29] <`Nomad> KDE 3.5.1
[12:29] <`Nomad> Look at what happens running wine file.exe
[12:29] <LjL> i don't think that could be KDE's fault though
[12:29] <`Nomad> wine FileZilla_2_2_18_setup.exe
[12:29] <`Nomad> Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible.
[12:29] <`Nomad> ever since I updated to 3.5.1, lots of segmentation faults
[12:29] <LjL> do you have a .wine/drive_c/windows?
[12:29] <LjL> well i'll keep my 3.5.0 then ;)
[12:30] <`Nomad> looks liek it created them yes
[12:30] <LjL> try "sudo chown -R youruser .wine/" perhaps
[12:30] <`Nomad> Shoudl I switch back to the .wine I backed up?
[12:31] <LjL> well, winecfg didn't work there either, did it
[12:31] <LjL> `Nomad: hey hold on a second, what does "wine --version" say?
[12:32] <LiteHedded> i need VNC help!
[12:32] <Knowerrors> monteiro: maybe its your net card... is it wireless? maybe driver no good or setup wrong
[12:32] <LjL> `Nomad: because i've just run aptitude dist-upgrade, and it's just installing a new version of Wine
[12:32] <LjL> ... which, from what's happening to you, i feel like is broken =)
[12:32] <monteiro> Knowerrors: cable modem conected to a network card
[12:34] <LjL> `Nomad: now, i would love to complete my dist-upgrade to have a look at what's going on... but i guess i care more about keeping my working wine version =)
[12:34] <`Nomad> Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible.
[12:34] <`Nomad> Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system32" is not accessible.
[12:34] <`Nomad> Wine 0.9.7
[12:34] <LjL> `Nomad: an alternative could be, remove your wine, comment out the repository, and install the one from the Ubuntu reps... that's an old version, but at least it ought to work
[12:35] <LjL> `Nomad: yeah, mine's 0.9.6
[12:35] <`Nomad> great idea..
[12:35] <Knowerrors> monteiro: have you tried just clocking your download speeds, like for ftp... maybe its just a web related problem
[12:35] <LjL> `Nomad: the webside doesn't even *say* there *is* a 0.9.7 =)
[12:35] <`Nomad> Ubuntu reps?   meaning not the winehq one but let it install from the regular reps?
[12:35] <LjL> exactly
[12:36] <monteiro> Knowerrors: it was dns :)
[12:36] <`Nomad> the winetools package says it's for 0.9.7Beta, whoudl I still install it?
[12:36] <LjL> it would be best if you could get the same 0.9.6 that I have, but i don't know where you could get it from now...
[12:36] <`Nomad> I'll oook
[12:36] <`Nomad> or better, Look :)
[12:36] <Knowerrors> monteiro: sweet
[12:36] <monteiro> Knowerrors: its strange, because it is the same in windows, but now i've added the dns from a linux site
[12:37] <Knowerrors> weird
[12:37] <Knowerrors> Im on dialup, but never had to do that
[12:37] <LjL> `Nomad: i guess so... i'm also using a winetools version that's not meant for my wine version
[12:37] <Knowerrors> same speed for me on windows and linux
[12:39] <LjL> `Nomad: a shame that you didn't do this stuff yesterday... if you did, you would have downloaded 0.9.6 from the reps =)   (i'm sure, because wine was last updated to the 0.9.6 i currently have just two days ago)
[12:39] <LjL> the wrong rep at the wrong time
[12:40] <Knowerrors> To anyone using Synaptic or Qtparted... these two commands will make those apps look the same as all others in KDE (theme/look)
[12:40] <Knowerrors> sudo ln -s ~/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc /root/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc
[12:40] <Knowerrors> sudo ln -s ~/.qt/qtrc /root/.qt/qtrc
[12:41] <`Nomad> damn it!  The one from teh regular rep also segment faults
[12:41] <LjL> now i really have no clue
[12:41] <LjL> perhaps it's really your KDE 3.5.1, though i couldn't imagine how it could interfere with Wine...
[12:41] <`Nomad> I give up.. Maybe I ma cursed, I must install XP and forget linux... I must.......
[12:41] <`Nomad> yeah right!! That'll be the day! ;)
[12:42] <LjL> nah don't do that :(
[12:43] <`Nomad> Does wine need to be run as root the first time maybe?
[12:44] <LjL> no, not that i know of, and not with winetools in any case
[12:46] <`Nomad> ok, I give up on wine until that,s resolved.. qemu's turn now
[12:46] <`Nomad> !qemu
[12:46] <ubotu> hmm... qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[12:47] <weedar> I want to add ~/bin to my PATH, how would I do that? :)
[12:48] <`Nomad> what is kqemu?
[12:48] <crimsun> weedar: edit ~/.bash_profile
[12:48] <illminime> hi everyone, ive loaded my rt2500 drivers with ndiswrapper but i cant get ip
[12:48] <illminime> *ip
[12:49] <illminime> ive tried ifup ra0
[12:49] <weedar> crimsun, I will have to restart the shell for it to "reload"?
[12:49] <illminime> and everything that is possbible
[12:49] <illminime> i realy need some pr0s to help me out here
[12:49] <LjL> !kqemu
[12:49] <illminime> anyone that could help a poor guy?
[12:49] <LjL> !tell `nomad about kqemu
[12:49] <crimsun> weedar: if your Konsoles are not configured to be login shells, yes you'll need to log out of and back into KDE
[12:49] <illminime> I realy need some asssistance here
[12:50] <illminime> *assistance
[12:50] <`Nomad> ok, it's free, but closed-source
[12:50] <weedar> crimsun, heh, for some reason my bash_profile already ads the ~/bin to my path, so no worries :)
[12:50] <weedar> at least now I know
[12:50] <`Nomad> what's teh problem illimine, just spell it out
[12:52] <`Nomad> hey kkathman
[12:52] <kkathman> howdy
[12:53] <weedar> illminime, what output does ifup ra0 give you?
[12:53] <LjL> `Nomad: told you so :) anyway, you don't really need kqemu unless you decide you're not satisfied with the speed of qemu alone
[12:54] <`Nomad> So, to use qemu, I should just format that 10 gigs that is free, mount it as "win" and use that?
[12:54] <LjL> `Nomad: no need to format anything
[12:55] <`Nomad> it's a raw space rigth now
[12:55] <LjL> `Nomad: qemu can use a file as a virtual hard disk, and the initial file size will be zero bytes, it will only grow when you actually use it
[12:55] <`Nomad> unpartitioned
[12:55] <`Nomad> ok..
[12:55] <LjL> `Nomad: well, if you have no use for it, you could format it as well, but a file also works
[12:55] <`Nomad> I need the extra room if I will use xp :(
[12:55] <LjL> heh
[12:56] <LjL> using a file might be a tad slower, but i don't think it'll be noticeable
[12:56] <LjL> (that's because files get fragmented, while partitions do not)
[12:57] <Steven_M> how to get the latest version of a game added to a repo?
[12:57] <LjL> Steven_M: if it's in Dapper, you can ask the backport guys
[12:57] <LjL> Steven_M: otherwise, no luck i'm afraid
[12:58] <beefsprocket> illminime: still stuck?
[12:59] <monteiro> kde 3.5.1, does not have all packages in the repository's right ?
[01:00] <`Nomad> rebooting
[01:00] <weedar> Why on earth would my ~/.bash_profile have it's execute flag not set?
[01:01] <Steven_M> why no luck? I mean the privious version is on there, so how hard could it be?
[01:02] <LjL> Steven_M: well, have you actually checked that it's not in Dapper? it might be. otherwise, if it's an easy program to package, perhaps you could package it yourself, i'm sure the ubuntu devs would love to have some work saved
[01:03] <Steven_M> ok, brb
[01:05] <flipjarg> What is the website people put text files in so they don't flood?
[01:06] <flipjarg> oh nm
[01:06] <LjL> flipjarg: look at the topic :)
[01:06] <LjL> flipjarg: or you can use the channel #flood
[01:06] <flipjarg> thanks
[01:07] <flipjarg> i'm trying to install the mozilla suite right now but when i type 'apt-get install mozilla' it prints this out: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/537797
[01:07] <flipjarg> does anyone know what i have to do?
[01:08] <beefsprocket> flipjarg: you can try each package 1 by 1 until you work backwards in the dependency chain
[01:09] <beefsprocket> as in, try mozilla-browser, figure out what is keeping it from being installed etc.
[01:09] <flipjarg> ok
[01:10] <Steven_M> It is in dapper :-)
[01:10] <flipjarg> mozilla browser installed just fine.
[01:10] <flipjarg> hmm
[01:11] <`Nomad> A partition cannot be formatted from the Disk and Filesystems section of the system settings?
[01:13] <Steven_M> Ljl: It is in dapper :-)
[01:13] <LjL> Steven_M: then go here http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47 and make a request, if it's not already been made
[01:14] <`Nomad> !qemu
[01:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[01:19] <`Nomad> What is teh fix to not being able to open files from teh DVD drive (Protocol media i sunrecognized?)
[01:20] <betsygary> hello
[01:20] <kameron> hey
[01:20] <betsygary> can someone help me out with compiling programs?
[01:21] <Steven_M> LjL: Do you think I could just the dapper package? I recken there'd only be miner changes to the game.
[01:21] <betsygary> I have g++, gcc, and libstdc++ installed, but nothing seems to be able to configure or compile correctly
[01:22] <ilba7r> betsygary, install build-essential packaged
[01:22] <LjL> Steven_M: type "apt-cache show nameofpackage" and look at the "Depends:" line. if that lists many packages (and depending on how important those are), chances are it won't work
[01:22] <ilba7r> package
[01:22] <betsygary> oh, ok, thanks, I'll try that out
[01:22] <LjL> Steven_M: if it lists few or no packages, it might work, but it could still not work and/or do bad things
[01:23] <Steven_M> ok then
[01:27] <neoncode> Err... I have a little trouble with XINE....
[01:29] <neoncode> Firstly it always looks like it's in 16:9, even when it's in 4:3 mode. I think this might be to do with the fact that I have dual monitors and it seems twice as wide as it should be. Does XINE claculate it's width based on the resoloution?(I'm useing fglrx big desktop mode so my xorg thinks i just have one big monitor
[01:29] <neoncode> also if the playing window is half on one monitor and half on another it only shows on the primary one...
[01:30] <`Nomad> LjL: Installing XP.. I like qemu so far, very wasy to manage up to now :)
[01:30] <LjL> `Nomad: for your enjoyment: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i7965  :)
[01:31] <`Nomad> qemu supports OS X?
[01:31] <`Nomad> Shoot..  I may just buy a super fast machien and run everything on one
[01:31] <LjL> not sure -- but anyway that's not qemu and that's not os x :o)
[01:32] <LjL> that's my KDE with IE6 running under Wine
[01:32] <neoncode> Anyone any help?
[01:32] <`Nomad> I know.. :)
[01:32] <`Nomad> I wonder it the V7 beta will crash well under wine..lol
[01:32] <LjL> well anyway pearpc certainly runs OS X
[01:33] <LjL> i don't think qemu does yet, but i wouldn't swear on it
[01:33] <`Nomad> gonna google that pearpc
[01:33] <LjL> in any case, there's MacOS for x86 now... :)
[01:33] <LjL> well, it's slow as hell, mind you...
[01:33] <neoncode> please? it's anoying. I have to choose between haveing to use 2 or 3 diffrent players to pay all my media or wach it streached. =(
[01:34] <`Nomad> pearpc is made to emulate PPC on intel?
[01:34] <LjL> yeah
[01:34] <LjL> but again, it's really slow
[01:34] <`Nomad> neoncode:  ??
[01:34] <LjL> qemu does emulate the PPC too, anyway
[01:34] <LjL> i just don't think it's able to run OS X yet
[01:34] <`Nomad> ok..
[01:34] <neoncode> `Nomad: Scroll up...
[01:35] <`Nomad> I will find out soon then.. Wish I hadn't given 28 gigs to XP
[01:35] <LjL> heh
[01:35] <LjL> i told you to use a file :P
[01:35] <`Nomad> I created an img as per the instructions on teh webpages..
[01:35] <LjL> uh, and it takes up 28 gigs?
[01:35] <LjL> it's supposed to not take up anything when it's created
[01:35] <`Nomad> I set it to 28 G
[01:36] <`Nomad> teh size of that /win folder I made
[01:36] <LjL> yeah, but it should still be zero bytes i think
[01:36] <`Nomad> oh ok
[01:36] <LjL> the 28 gigs is supposed to be an upper limit
[01:36] <`Nomad> yes you're right
[01:36] <`Nomad> It can probably be re-adjusted, the limit
[01:37] <LjL> probably
[01:37] <`Nomad> neoncode, sorry I have no idea. :(
[01:39] <`Nomad> neoncode: Try startint the app from teh command-line, you may see some error messages there that would give you a hint as to what is missing or wrong
[01:39] <illminime> I get no offers from dhcp
[01:39] <illminime> but everythings is ok
[01:39] <illminime> ive installed ndiswrapper
[01:39] <illminime> the driver
[01:40] <neoncode> how do I launch xine from the command line?
[01:40] <neoncode> what's the command I mean?
[01:40] <illminime> modprobed ndiswrapper, and rt2500 (my card)
[01:40] <illminime> but still gets no offers from dhcp
[01:40] <neoncode> oh wait "xine" did it
[01:40] <illminime> the signal strenght is full
[01:40] <illminime> 54Mbs
[01:40] <illminime> still it doesn
[01:41] <illminime> t work
[01:41] <neoncode> xine
[01:41] <neoncode> crap, sorry i thought I was typeing into the Konsole.
[01:41] <illminime> Ive so pissed of, some pr0ffesional net configures here?
[01:41] <ilba7r> !tell illminime about networkmanager
[01:41] <illminime> ive restarted it four f*#)= times
[01:42] <illminime> *for
[01:42] <neoncode> Hmm thing is - xine dosen't think anything is wrong. It thinks that everything is working perfectly....
[01:42] <neoncode> Well... it doesn't *think* but you know what I mean
[01:43] <illminime> so there aren't someone good configurers here?
[01:43] <ilba7r> illminime, network manage is a package that will take care of the network for you. try it
[01:43] <ilba7r> and by the way when you do modprobe do you see driver present, hardware present message
[01:44] <`Nomad> neoncode: ?   Nothing special when you launched it?  Like missing fonts, libraries, etc..?
[01:44] <ilba7r> neoncode i suspect it is the way you configured your x server. but this is pure speculation
[01:44] <neoncode> neoncode@kubuntu-titan:~$ xine
[01:44] <neoncode> This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.3.
[01:44] <neoncode> (c) 2000-2004 The xine Team.
[01:45] <neoncode> and I'm pretty sure my Xserver is to blame. Linux is *crap* with radeon when it comes to dual monitors...
[01:46] <ilba7r> neoncode, i have radeon dual monitor with no problem what so ever
[01:46] <neoncode> Hmm.... is it possible to get dual monitors to behave like they do on windows. without useing xnimitra... whatever
[01:46] <neoncode> ilba7r: What driver do you use?
[01:46] <LjL> `Nomad: shame, my WindowsUpdate failed... i hope it would have actually updated my "windows" :)
[01:46] <ilba7r> neoncode, i found fglrx crapy so am using the ati ones
[01:46] <ilba7r> no 3-D accel though
[01:46] <neoncode> Ahh
[01:47] <neoncode> I need 3-D accel
[01:47] <neoncode> And I thought fglrx were the ATi ones?
[01:47] <ilba7r> neoncode, good news next release will have 3-D accel
[01:47] <ilba7r> neoncode will gice you a site to help you set X if you have different aspect ratios in monitor and notebook
[01:48] <neoncode> is nvidia any good when it comes to dual monitors on linux?
[01:49] <ilba7r> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Additional_options_for_the_radeon_driver the mergedrectangular will take care of your problem. It worked with fglrx with me too. I dumped fglrx for nother reason
[01:49] <neoncode> ilba7r: What reason may I ask?
[01:49] <ilba7r> i normally use new login a lot
[01:49] <ilba7r> and fglrx just break doing that
[01:50] <ilba7r> you can have only one login session
[01:50] <neoncode> Ahh
[01:50] <neoncode> hey is nVidia any better with dual-head?
[01:50] <neoncode> and will mergedFB work with nvidia?
[01:51] <`Nomad> LjL: can't update XP from within qemu
[01:51] <`Nomad> ?
[01:51] <LjL> `Nomad: no -- can't update "XP" from within Wine ;)
[01:52] <LjL> qemu will have no problems with that i'm sure
[01:53] <LjL> but i guess it was really too much to ask to Wine :)
[01:53] <Mungallo> anyone know if there's Marvel gigE support on the 64 distro?
[01:53] <`Nomad> oh well.. :)
[01:54] <admrl> has anyone had k3b break in kde 3.5.1
[01:54] <Mungallo> break how?
[01:54] <`Nomad> I'm sure it will if I try to use it now.. lol
[01:54] <LjL> has anyone had something *not* break in 3.5.1? :o)
[01:55] <LjL> i've heard like four or fives different complains in less than 2 hours =)
[01:55] <`Nomad> lots of flakiness for me so far, I hope there's a bunch of updates soon that resolve those issues. :(
[01:55] <admrl> lol i did sudo dpkg -l | grep k3b
[01:55] <admrl> and it showed k3b and everything it needs
[01:55] <admrl> and then i did k3b
[01:55] <admrl> from konsole
[01:55] <neoncode> ok... time to go tinkering with my xorg.conf again...
[01:55] <admrl> and it said bash: k3b: command not found
[01:55] <`Nomad> yuk
[01:56] <Mungallo> sudo aapt-get install k3b
[01:56] <admrl> i did that
[01:56] <Mungallo> o_O
[01:56] <LjL> admrl: of course, dpkg showed it as "ii"?
[01:56] <`Nomad> ii?
[01:56] <admrl> one second i will try it agian
[01:56] <LjL> `Nomad: try "dpkg -l", it'll show "ii" in the first column for packages that are actually installed
[01:56] <`Nomad> ohh ok
[01:57] <admrl> i didnt think dpkg would show something that wasnt installed since its not apt-get
[01:57] <LjL> admrl: also, "ls /usr/bin/k3b"
[01:57] <`Nomad> dpkg is smarter than most of us  ;)
[01:57] <admrl> wait it just started working
[01:57] <LjL> dpkg does show stuff that was uninstalled or things like that
[01:57] <`Nomad> dpkg becamse self-aware, June 23, 2004
[01:57] <LjL> admrl: try "dpkg -l | grep -v ii", i bet you'll be surprised
[01:58] <LjL> `Nomad: :)
[01:58] <Mungallo> skynet by any other name...
[01:58] <Mungallo> ;)
[01:58] <`Nomad> lol
[01:59] <neoncode> Hey, if i'm wanting to use dual head. should I go with nVidia or ATi? Given the choice. for 3d accel Dual/Quad head. and is their a linux equivilent to MergedFB?
[01:59] <admrl> thats crazy
[02:00] <Mungallo> nvidia generally give better results linux-wise for graphics.
[02:00] <Mungallo> < my personal experience.
[02:00] <neoncode> Mungallo: What about dual head? and aslo what about SLI?
[02:01] <betsygary> hello everyone, I'm having troubles with compiling sources again
[02:01] <betsygary> I get errors when trying to configure about the X window system includes not being found
[02:01] <Mungallo> not sure man, I figure you've got a better chance of it working at all on nvidia.
[02:02] <betsygary> can someone help me with this?
[02:02] <cheese> when i type apt-get update i get permission errors.  how do i enable permissions?
[02:02] <aio> hello
[02:02] <betsygary> I'll do a ./configure right now to give you all the exact error
[02:03] <Mungallo> I've had no problems whatsoever on pci-e.
[02:03] <neoncode> Mungallo: Well i'm buidling a new computer in about 2 months. I'd like to go with a Dual SLI GeForce 6800 setup. heh. won't that mean if I disable the SLI I can have Quad-head? if their's 2 monitor ports on each card?
[02:04] <betsygary> xboard requires the X Window System header files and libraries!
[02:04] <betsygary> what can I do?
[02:04] <LjL> sudo aptitude install x-window-system-dev
[02:04] <Mungallo> yeah in theory you could do that, you'd have to have gastanas the size of watermellons and a wallet to match though.
[02:04] <aio> i try to install something and kubuntu says "no cc" and installation is over. Why?
[02:04] <Mungallo> you don't have gcc installed
[02:04] <aio> gcc?
[02:04] <betsygary> LjL: thanks again :)
[02:05] <`Nomad> I hope regscan.exe is not an important file for XP, it couldn't copy it over for some reason
[02:05] <Mungallo> or a relevant c compiler is not in your PATH
[02:05] <LjL> aio: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:05] <LjL> `Nomad: hmm, that's not good. i think regscan.exe is the registry scanner that gets run when windows finds some inconsistencies in the registry at bootup
[02:05] <cheese> im trying to get vlc media player, what version of linux do i install if im using kubuntu, debian or familiar linux?
[02:06] <LjL> cheese: ?!?
[02:06] <cheese> sorry noob question
[02:06] <neoncode> Is Quad-head even posible with linux?
[02:06] <`Nomad> I guess I will never find inconsistencies now  ;)
[02:06] <`Nomad> I'll get it from another DVD or someone else after
[02:06] <LjL> no, it's just a question that doesn't make any sense... ubuntu *IS* a linux distribution, so you *have* the right version of linux installed
[02:06] <Mungallo> never tried, can't see why not though.
[02:06] <LjL> debian is *another* linux distribution just like ubuntu
[02:06] <LjL> and Familiar is a linux distribution... for palmtops
[02:06] <cheese> theres different versions of it on the download section though
[02:06] <`Nomad> LjL: can we transfer files from linux to XP this way?  FTP?
[02:06] <LjL> back to your question, to install vlc, it's "sudo aptitude install vlc"
[02:07] <aio> can i install it through Synaptic? I have put universe repositories and there appears gcc, gcc 2.95 and so on
[02:07] <LjL> cheese: on the download section of what?
[02:07] <cheese> vlc media player
[02:07] <cheese> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[02:07] <Mungallo> aio: you generally want the latest.
[02:07] <LjL> aio: yeah, you can. just install the build-essential package. anyway, uising aptitude or apt-get is the same thing
[02:07] <`Nomad> VLC rocks, it rolls, it parties all night looong!
[02:07] <Mungallo> apt-get install build-essential
[02:07] <LjL> cheese: don't install it from there
[02:07] <LjL> cheese: just type "sudo aptitude install vlc" in a terminal
[02:07] <aio> gcc 272?
[02:08] <LjL> aio: no, "build-essential"
[02:08] <cheese> oh ok
[02:08] <LjL> cheese: and if it doesn't work, then you'll need to enable the Universe repository
[02:08] <LjL> !tell cheese about sources
[02:08] <aio> yeeeee i am installing it
[02:08] <aio> thankssss a lot :)
[02:08] <LjL> np
[02:08] <Mungallo> np.
[02:08] <cheese> it says list of sources cannot be read
[02:08] <cheese> how do i enable permission and such
[02:08] <marten> hi @ all
[02:08] <aio> ok all now!! :)
[02:09] <LjL> cheese: that doesn't sound right
[02:09] <Mungallo> are you running it as root?
[02:09] <LjL> cheese: type "sudo apt-get update", and then try again
[02:09] <Mungallo> sudo apt-get  install vlc?
[02:09] <cheese> it was looking for attachment on desktop i think
[02:09] <cheese> how do i enable universe repository
[02:10] <cheese> im using kubuntu btw
[02:10] <LjL> looking for an attachment....?
[02:10] <aio> i try to install limewire. Amule is installed, but limewire is rpm and i used command alien div- All was good. Limewire appeared in start menu, but when clicking it does not start at all.
[02:10] <LjL> cheese: Ubotu sent you links that explain how to enable Universe
[02:10] <cheese> k
[02:11] <LjL> cheese: basically, you must edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and uncommend the line that says "universe". but it's all explained there anyway
[02:11] <LjL> !limewire
[02:11] <ubotu> I guess limewire is first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila.
[02:11] <aio> i installed java
[02:11] <neoncode> That reminds me, what's the best P2P program for linux. I tryed those eMule clones but the eDonkey network is crap.
[02:11] <Mungallo> is it in your PATH?
[02:11] <`Nomad> aio: which?  Blackdown or Sun's?
[02:11] <aio> sun
[02:12] <`Nomad> kewl
[02:12] <LjL> aio: well, that's all i know about it
[02:12] <`Nomad> seems to work better for most people
[02:12] <LjL> neoncode: what about ktorrent then?
[02:12] <aio> jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[02:12] <`Nomad> donkey? crap?  sounds natural to me
[02:12] <neoncode> ktorrent never seems to work with any .torrent files I get
[02:12] <aio> and j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin
[02:12] <Mungallo> you did the chmod +x jre?
[02:12] <Mungallo> and ran it?
[02:12] <LjL> anyway the edonkey network ain't crap, it's definitely one of the most advanced filesharing networks around
[02:13] <neoncode> LjL: I can never find anything on it
[02:13] <`Nomad> is it.. Well based on our chat tonight, I think I'll try it.
[02:13] <`Nomad> what do I use for it?
[02:13] <Mungallo> aio: j2re-1_4_2_05=old
[02:13] <`Nomad> !edonkey
[02:13] <ubotu> `Nomad: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:13] <LjL> neoncode: that's not my experience
[02:13] <ilba7r> !amule
[02:14] <ubotu> sudo apt-get install amule
[02:14] <ilba7r> that is the package for linux
[02:14] <Mungallo> unless you really need it, ie work or something you might as well get rid of it.
[02:14] <neoncode> LjL: What eDonkey client do you use?>
[02:14] <marten> does anybody know a well frequented german irc chan?
[02:14] <aio> ye, i installed then 1_5 and it does not appear
[02:14] <ilba7r> 1de
[02:14] <`Nomad> for kubuntu?
[02:14] <ilba7r> !de
[02:14] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[02:14] <marten> yes
[02:15] <ilba7r> martin of well frequented i do not know
[02:15] <Mungallo> it should install just fine.
[02:15] <`Nomad> what he says  ;)
[02:15] <marten> @ freenode?
[02:15] <LjL> neoncode: amule, but then i use a CVS version specially patched for internal use inside my ISP's network (as we're behind NAT) - it uses the Kad network, and perhaps the current aMule version doesn't yet, which might be why you don't have very good results..
[02:15] <Mungallo> the big problem is that it might not be finding it in /usr/bin
[02:15] <marten> ok thx
[02:15] <marten> ill check that
[02:15] <`Nomad> !fr
[02:15] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[02:15] <`Nomad> well that's kewl
[02:15] <neoncode> LjL: Ahh. well i'm going to do all this MergedFB and radon stuff later. I'm going to go play wind waker on my gamecube
[02:16] <cheese> if i were to uninstall kubuntu, how would i get rid of the grub loader?
[02:16] <neoncode> how do you set away on this thing?
[02:16] <Mungallo> in which case you're going to want to set the variable in you .bashrc
[02:16] <LjL> cheese: boot from the Windows CD, run the recovery console, and type "fixmbr" or something like that - there's a "help" command anyway
[02:16] <ilba7r> LjL, you beet me to it
[02:16] <`Nomad> it used to be fdisk /mbr from a boot diskette
[02:16] <cheese> ok
[02:17] <Mungallo> that was in the '98 days.
[02:17] <`Nomad> so far the only file that skipped a beat during the install was regscan.exe, I'm at 97%
[02:17] <LjL> yeah doesn't think it would be too wise nowadays to do that
[02:17] <`Nomad> hopefully it won't matter
[02:17] <Mungallo> now its so much of a PITA you might as well write zeros to the drive ;)
[02:17] <LjL> `Nomad: it worries me a little, but yes, we can hope Windows can live without it
[02:18] <`Nomad> It's the best DVD that bittorrent had to offer, :(
[02:18] <LjL> don't say that here :)
[02:18] <`Nomad> I'm in transit and I'll be damned if I know where my originals are (what boxes and which storage)
[02:18] <`Nomad> oops.
[02:19] <`Nomad> I was kidding..
[02:19] <LjL> of course
[02:19] <`Nomad> ha  ha  ha
[02:19] <Mungallo> hahaha
[02:20] <Mungallo> anyone point me to automatic hardware detection under breezy?
[02:20] <`Nomad> can't wait to b esettled in again though.. This life in transit sucks after a while.. I miss comfort :)
[02:21] <Mungallo> lol, home is where I plug in my laptop.
[02:21] <`Nomad> :)
[02:22] <`Nomad> While there's so many knowledgeable and helpful people here, I have had to switch everything back to linux now that my Windows box died.. Skype used to run off of windows
[02:22] <`Nomad> teh microphone
[02:22] <`Nomad> how do I have it muted while not in use?
[02:23] <`Nomad> By default on windows it did that, teh apps turned it on as needed..
[02:23] <paulvolk> Hello Beefsprocket
[02:23] <Mungallo> Nomad: Kmix?
[02:23] <paulvolk> I did what you said and now I am on Kubuntu Thanks for the help
[02:24] <Mungallo> not the cleanest solution, but thats all I got.
[02:24] <`Nomad> I would have thought so too, but somehow it,s back on when I reboot
[02:24] <LjL> `Nomad: why not just keep it muted but active as a recording source?
[02:24] <LjL> oh
[02:25] <`Nomad> lately it feels like my machien is haunted  :)
[02:25] <LjL> kmix, settings / configure kmix / restore levels
[02:25] <`Nomad> possesed?
[02:25] <LjL> nah
[02:25] <LjL> actually, that's "restore volumes on login"
[02:26] <`Nomad> I have it checked..
[02:26] <LjL> hm
[02:26] <LjL> but are you actually keeping kmix in the tray?
[02:26] <Mungallo> probably just a minor demon, not worth the exorsism. ;)
[02:26] <paulvolk> How would I change what OS grub shows?
[02:26] <`Nomad> minor dAemon?  lol
[02:26] <Mungallo> lol
[02:27] <Mungallo> vi /boot/grub/grub.conf I think
[02:27] <LjL> paulvolk: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, though there are probably more friendly ways
[02:27] <paulvolk> where do I but that in?
[02:27] <paulvolk> put*
[02:28] <paulvolk> or where do I find that?
[02:28] <LjL> paulvolk: "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst" in a terminal. though i really advise you to *not* do this, you don't sound experienced enough to edit such an important boot file (not offence meant)
[02:28] <LjL> let me see if there is something in the KDE settings
[02:29] <Mungallo>  paul what are you trying to do? set the default kernel?
[02:29] <paulvolk> well I mean I just updated Kububtu and now it shows 2 Kubuntu OS but I only want it to show the most current one
[02:30] <Mungallo> it should default to the newest image...
[02:30] <Mungallo> what filesystem are you using?
[02:30] <paulvolk> not sure
[02:31] <paulvolk> well it shows 2 Kubuntu systems
[02:31] <LjL> paulvolk: i can't find anything in KDE, though i recall there was something...
[02:31] <LjL> paulvolk: if you really feel like editing the config file, do it, but be careful
[02:31] <paulvolk> I so do I but I couldn't find anything
[02:31] <paulvolk> naw I can leave it
[02:32] <paulvolk> not really much of a bother
[02:32] <orion_fr_24> !mp3
[02:32] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:32] <Mungallo> does your grub screen show a recovery mode kernel?
[02:33] <paulvolk> ya but 2 one for the udated system and one for the older system
[02:33] <Mungallo> I'm assuming you have 2 recovery modes listed ie 2.6.12-386(Recovery mode)
[02:33] <Mungallo> ok
[02:34] <paulvolk> Ya
[02:34] <paulvolk> that is it as well as 2 of the normal systems
[02:34] <LjL> perhaps just uninstall the older kernel?
[02:34] <paulvolk> I want to get rid of the older one
[02:35] <Mungallo> well, I'd have to agree with LJ here, if you feel up to it, I'd find a sample grub.lst and look at what you're dealing with first.
[02:35] <paulvolk> ok
[02:35] <LjL> paulvolk: try "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep linux"
[02:35] <paulvolk> ok
[02:35] <LjL> paulvolk: if you see two different versions, like 2.6.12-9 and 2.6.12-9, you should be able to safely remove the older one
[02:36] <LjL> (err, that would be 2.6.12-9 and 2.6.12-10)
[02:36] <paulvolk> ya that is like exacly what I see
[02:36] <paulvolk> sohow would I remove it?
[02:37] <Mungallo> do me a quick favor?
[02:37] <Mungallo> type in a term "sudo uname -r"
[02:37] <LjL> then "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.12-9 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9"
[02:37] <LjL> don't hold me responsible though...
[02:37] <LjL> though it should be safe enough
[02:38] <LjL> yeah do as mungallo said
[02:38] <paulvolk> ok so go over that again
[02:38] <Mungallo> sudo uname -r
[02:38] <LjL> type "uname -r" in a terminal
[02:38] <paulvolk> ok then?
[02:38] <LjL> Mungallo: (don't think there's any need for a sudo here)
[02:38] <LjL> paulvolk: just tell us what it says
[02:38] <paulvolk> oh ok
[02:39] <`Nomad> LjL: Is qemu just as good with win98?  That one I have teh original CD here (of course, teh one I don,t want.. :P )
[02:39] <paulvolk> ok it says 2.6.12-10-386
[02:39] <LjL> `Nomad: it should work fine for all i know
[02:39] <Mungallo> and is that the old one?
[02:39] <paulvolk> no that is the new one
[02:40] <LjL> shouldn't be, unless i missed a kernel version :)
[02:40] <Mungallo> lol
[02:40] <paulvolk> lol um I am sure that is the new one I can check if you can wait like 5 min
[02:40] <LjL> and kernels aren't easy to miss, apt-get makes such a fuss about them when it wants to install one... =)
[02:40] <ilba7r> paulvolk, if i were you i will not remove it it doe not take a lot of space 36 MB or about. but is a huge safety net if your kernell is messed up you can always login to the old one
[02:41] <Mungallo> ok, cool, then yeah you oughtta be able to peel out the old one with no problems.
[02:41] <Mungallo> agreed.
[02:41] <paulvolk> oh ok then I will keep
[02:41] <paulvolk> it
[02:41] <paulvolk> anyway another question I need a c compiler to compile packeges where would I get one?
[02:42] <Mungallo> Lj; lol, yeah apt whines too much. ;)
[02:42] <LjL> yeah ilba7r isn't too wrong, you never know what might break down someday
[02:42] <Mungallo> sudo apt-get build-essential
[02:42] <LjL> paulvolk: "sudo aptitude install build-essential" will get you one
[02:42] <paulvolk> type that in terminal?
[02:42] <Mungallo> yup
[02:42] <LjL> paulvolk: though be sure that you check if a program isn't already in the repositories (official or otherwise), before compiling it :)
[02:42] <paulvolk> ok
[02:42] <ilba7r> LjL, you are an aptitude fan like me :)
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> where can i find information about flex and bison?
[02:43] <`Nomad> gnu
[02:43] <LjL> ilba7r: yeah - it's funny when people ask "how do i remove kubuntu-desktop" or things like that, and i can only say well, if you had used aptitude to install it in the first place, you could with a single command, otherwise no luck :)
[02:43] <Mungallo> http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/
[02:43] <`Nomad> Lord_Athur: what kind of info are you looking for?
[02:44] <ilba7r> LjL, agree that is the main reason i use it it handle that so perfectly
[02:44] <Mungallo> http://www.gnu.org/software/flex/
[02:44] <LjL> ilba7r: that's basically the only reason i use it for, as i've never really used the GUI or any fancy features it might have
[02:44] <LjL> `Nomad: no it doesn't
[02:45] <`Nomad> So they turned it all off?
[02:45] <`Nomad> arghh..
[02:45] <LjL> `Nomad: win98 is a bit of a (big) security risk using, even though that might not be too terribly important under an emulator
[02:45] <robotgeek> LjL: you can always use debfoster
[02:45] <ilba7r> LjL, do not use the graphical interface it is bugy and it has a bug that has not been resolved yet
[02:45] <LjL> robotgeek: will debfoster remove everything that, say, kubuntu-desktop installs?
[02:45] <Mungallo> barefoot with glass under the snow?
[02:45] <ilba7r> will mess how aptitude handle automatic removal
[02:46] <`Nomad> LjL: Install is blazing fast though.. lol
[02:46] <LjL> ilba7r: i've never quite understood or liked it anyway
[02:46] <LjL> `Nomad: but, have you given up on XP?
[02:46] <robotgeek> LjL: sure, just pay attention to what it wants to remove
[02:46] <ilba7r> LjL, same here. just glad to see another wise man using aptitude :)
[02:46] <LjL> robotgeek: uhm, doesn't "paying attention to what it wants to remove" defeats the whole purpose?
[02:47] <paulvolk> ok can Kubuntu run RPMs? and if soo what make? like suse, mandrake, fedora?
[02:47] <Mungallo> Paul you want alien
[02:47] <LjL> paulvolk: it can, if you install "alien". i wouldn't recommend it though unless you're desperate
[02:47] <Mungallo> sudo apt-get install alien
[02:47] <robotgeek> LjL: i'm sure there are a few switches in there with which you can not pay attention, i'm not sure how that works
[02:47] <ilba7r> paulvolk, whatever package you are looking for first look for a deb binary for it
[02:47] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i have sudo apt-get install to install :P
[02:47] <ilba7r> most of the time you will find it
[02:47] <Mungallo> you're generally better if with a deb or source.
[02:48] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: lol, but i think that's not intutuive
[02:48] <Hobbsee> possibly - i keep forgetting about it
[02:48] <paulvolk> ok
[02:48] <LjL> Hobbsee: that's not good IMHO
[02:48] <LjL> Hobbsee: as "install" is already a command
[02:48] <Hobbsee> is it?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> i didnt think it was...
[02:49] <LjL> Hobbsee: yes. not one often used by actual users, but makefiles do use it a lot
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:49] <LjL> Hobbsee: it's basically the same as "cp" i think, only it does some more checks
[02:49] <Hobbsee> right
[02:49] <Mungallo> install to CWD kind of thing.
[02:50] <LjL> the man says "copies and sets attributes"
[02:50] <Mungallo> fair enough.
[02:51] <paulvolk> ok I found a .deb file for the program to install it now how would I install it?
[02:51] <`Nomad> LjL: I gave up, it just stayed stuck on a dialog box after.. It spurted out a few messages about bad dlls
[02:51] <Mungallo> dpkg -i
[02:51] <LjL> paulvolk: "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb". but are you 100% sure that package isn't in the repos already?
[02:51] <LjL> what package is it anyway?
[02:51] <LjL> `Nomad: oh :(
[02:51] <paulvolk> Amsn
[02:51] <`Nomad> It's so easy, I'll install XP when I get my proper ones
[02:51] <ilba7r> paulvolk, why not use kopete
[02:51] <clintonthegeek> sorry, i'm an IRC n00b, came in here about the KWord 1.5 Beta problem. am i gonna have to compile it from source?
[02:51] <LjL> paulvolk: "apt-cache show amsn", followed by "sudo aptitude install amsn"
[02:52] <LjL> paulvolk: no need to get that from third parties
[02:52] <paulvolk> oh ok
[02:52] <paulvolk> but how did you find that
[02:52] <paulvolk> I couldn't
[02:52] <Mungallo> its in the repos chief.
[02:52] <LjL> paulvolk: by typing "apt-cache search amsn"...
[02:52] <LjL> paulvolk: in general, "apt-cache search keyword1 keyword2 ....." will do what you need
[02:52] <paulvolk> sweet
[02:52] <paulvolk> thanks
[02:53] <clintonthegeek> amsn? i installed the latest version (0.95) from the package on amsn.sourceforge.net
[02:53] <FHX> Hello..
[02:53] <paulvolk> it said there was no packedges found
[02:53] <FHX> clintonthegeek: aren't the fonts for amsn strange though?
[02:53] <LjL> paulvolk: you need to enable Universe
[02:53] <LjL> !tell paulvolk about sources
[02:53] <paulvolk> how do I do that?
[02:53] <clintonthegeek> aha, that they are. looks like a typewriter
[02:53] <LjL> Ubotu's telling you
[02:53] <FHX> Exactly.
[02:54] <FHX> I tried installing msn 7 through crossover as well, but the graphics don't show right and it lags when starting up etc.
[02:54] <LjL> paulvolk: basically you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the line containing "universe", and then type "sudo apt-get update"
[02:54] <FHX> amsn is lousy as well. The best alternative I'm using is Gaim, but so far I can't find a thing that supports decent file transfers.
[02:54] <LjL> paulvolk: but it's all explained better in the links Ubotu gave you
[02:54] <Mungallo> don't gaim and kopete support msn?
[02:54] <FHX> Hm...oh.
[02:54] <ilba7r> Mungallo, yah
[02:55] <FHX> I meant to come in here to ask: Does anyone know how to setup a printer? I've set up mine but nothing's printing.
[02:55] <FHX> Kopete lags for me..
[02:55] <FHX> not sure why.
[02:55] <paulvolk> ok
[02:55] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: hi
[02:55] <`Nomad> FHX: welcome to my club :)
[02:55] <clintonthegeek> yeah, amsn 0.95 has given me the best luck with file transfers
[02:55] <FHX> I have severe lags with Kopete. =/ anyone else have those?
[02:55] <`Nomad> is it a Samsung?
[02:55] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: so?
[02:55] <FHX> `Nomad: Haha.
[02:55] <FHX> Nope, it's a canon
[02:55] <FHX> Canon Pixma MP110
[02:55] <`Nomad> Ok, get a Samsung, then you'll pull out your hair too :)
[02:56] <FHX> I think i'm having enough trouble..
[02:56] <FHX> XD
[02:56] <ilba7r> `Nomad, did you try linuxprinting.org
[02:57] <orion_fr_24> any good advise to install mp3 and acc support on kubuntu ??
[02:57] <clintonthegeek> mungallo, were you talking to me ( it's in the repos ) regarding the problem with KWord 1.5?
[02:57] <Mungallo> no clint, I was refering to amsn, sorry for the mixup
[02:58] <clintonthegeek> ah, no prob
[02:58] <clintonthegeek> yeah, the text has all these garbled coloured lines on it in. I submitted a bug report, but apparently it's already fixed in the subverions
[02:59] <clintonthegeek> i suppose i have to compile/install it from source, since i don't know when the repository will be updated
[03:01] <Mungallo> might be the easiest way to do it clint.
[03:01] <LjL> kword 1.5?
[03:01] <clintonthegeek> yuppers
[03:01] <`Nomad> ilba7r: I did, but I'm on a beak from it for now.. I'll try again soon though gotta have my printer. :)
[03:01] <LjL> i thought the latest version in the repos (or the lastest version for that matter) was 1.4.2
[03:01] <`Nomad> break
[03:01] <clintonthegeek> ah, the latest beta version has a special repository set up for testers
[03:01] <orion_fr_24> !aac
[03:02] <ubotu> it has been said that aac is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about aac support
[03:02] <LjL> oh it's a beta
[03:02] <ilba7r> `Nomad, no problem i gave up on mine long time ago
[03:02] <LjL> any new exciting features, besides the bugs?
[03:02] <clintonthegeek> well, kexi is coming along
[03:02] <LjL> what about krita?
[03:02] <clintonthegeek> ODT is the default for kword, as is everything else
[03:02] <clintonthegeek> now the opendocument standard
[03:03] <`Nomad> ilba7r: a Samsung?
[03:03] <clintonthegeek> krita, well, i haven't played around too much, but you can save the brushes, and they played around with the layers somemore
[03:03] <`Nomad> ML-2010
[03:03] <LjL> (duh, it's in the topic, i'm dumb)
[03:03] <ilba7r> `Nomad, worse a lexmark. if i want to use it i have to write the driver myself :)
[03:03] <`Nomad> Krita segment faults fo rme with 3.5.1..  Sigh...
[03:03] <`Nomad> LOL
[03:03] <ilba7r> no way no time no experience
[03:03] <clintonthegeek> i'd still stick with the gimp though
[03:03] <`Nomad> ilba7r: now that's a weekend job
[03:03] <clintonthegeek> haha,
[03:04] <LjL> `Nomad: "sudo mr -rf /", followed by inserting the Ubuntu CD into the drive, followed by the Reset button
[03:04] <Mungallo> lol
[03:04] <clintonthegeek> haha
[03:04] <`Nomad> ubuntu i sbetter fo rmy printer?
[03:04] <`Nomad> then Kubuntu?
[03:04] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: that'd be fun :p
[03:04] <clintonthegeek> it was a joke nomad :p
[03:04] <clintonthegeek> essentially they are both the same anyways, so not really
[03:04] <`Nomad> I know, but I'm abotu ready to try anything..LOL
[03:04] <ilba7r> `Nomad, they are both the same
[03:04] <`Nomad> exactlky
[03:04] <LjL> `Nomad: no, i wasn't thinking about ubuntu vs kubuntu, just about your curses with 3.5.1 :)
[03:05] <`Nomad> though KDE may be part of the problem
[03:05] <`Nomad> who knows
[03:05] <`Nomad> Oh that!!!  yes!
[03:05] <clintonthegeek> it's more likely a CUPS problem
[03:05] <`Nomad> :)
[03:05] <`Nomad> It is..
[03:05] <ilba7r> what was the cups server address
[03:05] <`Nomad> I did a apt-get remove cups and almost removed the kde-desktop without realising it..
[03:05] <ilba7r> you can type it in a web browser and set it from there
[03:05] <LjL> localhost:631
[03:06] <LjL> assuming the printer is local of course
[03:06] <ilba7r> yap
[03:06] <`Nomad> No I can't!  well actually thanks to a lot of mental support here lately now I can.. :)
[03:06] <`Nomad> BUT
[03:06] <`Nomad> now my jobs disappear somewhere
[03:06] <`Nomad> never come out on teh printer..
[03:06] <LjL> `Nomad: do try what ilba7r said
[03:06] <`Nomad> so please people, check your printers to see if my jobs are there?? :)
[03:06] <LjL> `Nomad: you can print test pages as well from the web interface
[03:06] <clintonthegeek> hehehe
[03:06] <`Nomad> No I can't  :(
[03:06] <LjL> `Nomad: don't joke about that
[03:07] <LjL> `Nomad: i actually *did* get other people's print jobs on my printer :)
[03:07] <`Nomad> LOl
[03:07] <LjL> (when i forgot about an unimportant thing called a "password" ;)
[03:07] <hatake_kakashi> anyone ever used sylpheed to receive local mboxes? or which program do you use to receive email from your local maild?
[03:07] <LjL> `Nomad: can you *access* the web interface anyway?
[03:08] <Monsuco> how does one enable USB
[03:08] <clintonthegeek> can you be more specific?
[03:08] <LjL> Monsuco: USB usually doesn't need to be "enabled". what do you need to do?
[03:08] <`Nomad> LjL: now I can yes, there was an issue with teh proper users being admin
[03:08] <Monsuco> well, I plug my flashdrives in
[03:09] <Monsuco> and nothing happens
[03:09] <LjL> `Nomad: but still test pages don't print?
[03:09] <`Nomad> Everything checks out, btu it says it can't find a 'valid" printer
[03:09] <ilba7r> `Nomad, do not tell me you installed cups-pdf
[03:09] <clintonthegeek> usb flash drive support is still a little flaky on linux
[03:09] <`Nomad> cupd-pdf?  Shoot.. If I did I didn't do it o purpose.. :)
[03:09] <`Nomad> let me remove it to be safe if it's there
[03:09] <clintonthegeek> try booting up the computer with the flash drive in it
[03:10] <ilba7r> `Nomad, great if you did not choose it than it is not there
[03:10] <Monsuco> it worked on Ubuntu, but not on Kubuntu
[03:10] <LjL> Monsuco: uhm try "sudo mount /dev/sda /media/usbdisk", and then "ls /media/usbdisk", not sure if that's right though
[03:10] <Monsuco> also, it won't eject my CD's I am beginning to think the drivers are screwed up
[03:10] <`Nomad> nope, no pdf, though I do have bluetooth fo rno goo dreason
[03:10] <clintonthegeek> hmm.. well they are the same distro, just with different sets of programs installed
[03:10] <ilba7r> `Nomad, did you try setting up the printer from scratch usin the web interface
[03:11] <Monsuco> well, maybe something is up with my HD or something
[03:11] <`Nomad> you mean remove the one there and try again?
[03:11] <LjL> `Nomad: could you pastebin your /etc/cups/printers.conf?
[03:11] <`Nomad> why not, I'll go do that now..
[03:11] <`Nomad> yes, let me ge tit..
[03:11] <clintonthegeek> in konqueror, type "media:/" in the address bar. then you should be able to right click and "eject" your CD
[03:11] <`Nomad> or get IT
[03:11] <clintonthegeek> and that's where a USB drive would show up if it found it
[03:11] <LjL> clintonthegeek: it ought to show up on the desktop as well though....
[03:12] <clintonthegeek> you'd think so :p
[03:12] <LjL> well, it does for me :)
[03:12] <Monsuco> I can do that, but what I mean is, it is acting well weird
[03:12] <LjL> Monsuco: uh... sorry but... get used to it ;-P
[03:12] <Monsuco> well true
[03:12] <Monsuco> Ok
[03:12] <clintonthegeek> the joys of linux
[03:13] <LjL> "linux is acting weird". "yeah, and?"
[03:13] <Mungallo> umount -f /dev/hdc?
[03:13] <LjL> "windows is crashing". "yeah, and?"
[03:13] <`Nomad> http://pastebin.com/537931
[03:13] <`Nomad> The printer is currently connected but off
[03:14] <LjL> `Nomad: well, that looks about right...
[03:14] <`Nomad> I just turned it on, going to try reinstalling brand new, one more time!
[03:14] <LjL> i suppose you have gimpprint installed?
[03:15] <`Nomad> yup
[03:15] <LjL> do the logs say anything?
[03:15] <`Nomad> a lot of curse words directed at me ;)
[03:16] <LjL> =)
[03:16] <`Nomad> nothing special that i coudl recognize anyway.. In MY days, we used lpr.. :)
[03:16] <LjL> bash: lpr: command not found
[03:16] <LjL> sorry :)
[03:17] <fatbrain> How can I ... start things *automaticly* like, in the background... Like apache httpd.... ?
[03:17] <LjL> fatbrain: depends
[03:17] <LjL> fatbrain: if you want KDE apps to be started in the background, then you should do that from inside KDE
[03:18] <fatbrain> No kde apps
[03:18] <LjL> fatbrain: if you actually want things like httpd started in the background, then they should already do so
[03:18] <fatbrain> I basicly want to access my subversion repo remotly, but I can't figure out how
[03:18] <`Nomad> my cups error_log logs:  http://pastebin.com/537932 , no other logs
[03:18] <fatbrain> I've been scratching my head for hours ...  heh.
[03:18] <`Nomad> I'm at the highest debug level
[03:18] <LjL> fatbrain: uh i don't think that should involve things running in the background, though i have no real experience with svn
[03:19] <`Nomad> !svn
[03:19] <ubotu> well, svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[03:19] <LjL> `Nomad: uh, i'm not sure what that means, but i'm not sure it looks good either =)
[03:19] <`Nomad> exactly
[03:19] <Mungallo> do you have the subversion client installed?
[03:19] <LjL> `Nomad: at any rate, i don't have anything like that in my logs
[03:19] <`Nomad> setting up this printer feels like picking my nose with a hammer
[03:19] <httpdss> im wanting to receive webcam through kopete but i only see a blue window .. versions kde = 3.5.0 ... kopete 0.11 ... any solutions ?? libraries that im missing ??
[03:19] <fatbrain> Mungallo: yes
[03:20] <`Nomad> httpdss: update to KDE 3.5.1, then you won't even have a blue window.. lol
[03:20] <`Nomad> sorry
[03:20] <Mungallo> brain: do you have a remote connection to the repo?
[03:20] <httpdss> :P
[03:21] <fatbrain> Mungallo: not to the repo...
[03:21] <ilba7r> LjL, lpr is in package lpr need to be installed
[03:21] <fatbrain> I'll read some on the svn website, I'll be back in a little bit.
[03:22] <LjL> ilba7r: eh well i don't think that'd help him much though anyway, as i assume lpr would just behave as a wrapper to CUPS now or something :)
[03:22] <`Nomad> but lpr should not b eneeded right?
[03:22] <LjL> `Nomad: well, i don't have it installed, and i print ;)
[03:23] <`Nomad> yup
[03:23] <ilba7r> LjL, you sound right i do not know
[03:23] <`Nomad> lpr is from when the internet was made out of wood., :(
[03:23] <LjL> no actually -- i do have it installed on Ubuntu
[03:23] <LjL> i don't have it installed on the computer where my printer actually is, though
[03:23] <LjL> (Debian)
[03:23] <ilba7r> LjL, i have it because acrobat use it
[03:23] <LjL> bleah
[03:23] <clintonthegeek> just curious, is the printer attached through USB or parallel?
[03:23] <LjL> what's wrong with KPDF :P
[03:23] <LjL> clintonthegeek: usb
[03:24] <ilba7r> LjL, buggy ;)
[03:24] <LjL> acrobat's horrible
[03:24] <ilba7r> LjL, working perfect here
[03:24] <clintonthegeek> well, the latest version has cleaned up a lot
[03:24] <LjL> though at least the linux version isn't as huge and viral as the windows version
[03:24] <clintonthegeek> plugins are loaded as needed as opposed to all at once on startup, so it's a lot faster
[03:25] <LjL> dunno anyway, KPDF looks very nice here, though my PDF rendering needs aren't probably very advanced
[03:26] <`Nomad> I sacrobat ok?  I find the kpdf or xpdf lacking fo rnewer pdf at least
[03:26] <`Nomad> So we download it from adobe?
[03:26] <LjL> you could try evince as well, though i'm afraid that depends on the gnome libs
[03:27] <LjL> well, there's an "acroread" package as well
[03:27] <LjL> though that might not be anything like the latest version
[03:27] <ilba7r> `Nomad, try apt-get it for it will download it and set it for you
[03:29] <LjL> well trying the repos won't hurt for sure
[03:31] <clintonthegeek> okay all, i'm downloading the source for koffice 1.5 beta, and am gonna compile/install it to see if it will fix the text rendering problem in kword
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> !kde3.5.1
[03:32] <ubotu> hatake_kakashi: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:32] <clintonthegeek> unfortunatly, i'm on a 333mhz computer with 64 meg of ram, so this will take a while ;p
[03:33] <ilba7r> good luck clintonthegeek
[03:33] <clintonthegeek> i'll let you know how it turned out in a few hours :D
[03:34] <LjL> hm well krita 1.5 seems to have a few new meaty features
[03:34] <clintonthegeek> don't like the new icon though
[03:34] <clintonthegeek> ah well
[03:34] <`Nomad> Does anyone here use a wacom board?
[03:34] <LjL> poor nomad :)
[03:34] <`Nomad> Still can't get the pressue sensitivity working
[03:34] <`Nomad> pressure..
[03:35] <`Nomad> I'm sure that a few updates down the road and whatever I have that's broken will get well
[03:35] <clintonthegeek> would it involve adding another axis in xorg.conf or something?
[03:35] <`Nomad> Hahahaha  Windows is now detecting Plug and Play hardware..
[03:35] <hatake_kakashi> has 3.5.1 been stabilised?
[03:36] <LjL> clintonthegeek: look, i've compiled lots of things on a 300MHz machine (which is still my server machine), but really, can't you just wait for an update, for your own sake? :)
[03:36] <`Nomad> clinto: You may be on to something
[03:36] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: you wish
[03:36] <clintonthegeek> well LjL, i'm considering leaving it over night
[03:36] <brodel> kakashi-sensei! :D
[03:36] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: heh :p I've had problems with the failsafe, I wonder will this be improved :p meh oh well
[03:36] <LjL> clintonthegeek: so that it'll bail out on a dependency you have forgotten right after you close your eyes? :)
[03:37] <clintonthegeek> the ubuntu binaries were released 3 days ago, so either an update will be here REAL SOON, or they won't bother.
[03:37] <clintonthegeek> but it won't hurt much other than my electricity bill to compile it myself
[03:37] <LjL> well, if there's a serious bug, i'm not sure they won't bother fixing it fast
[03:38] <clintonthegeek> yeah, that's what i figured too
[03:38] <clintonthegeek> but it looks like the Kubuntu bug report thingy is a real pain to use
[03:38] <LjL> it says it's broken in the topic - they'll know already
[03:38] <clintonthegeek> hmm... good point
[03:39] <hatake_kakashi> or you can join in their mailing-list
[03:39] <LjL> or just say "Riddell" ;)
[03:39] <clintonthegeek> hehehe
[03:43] <clintonthegeek> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121336 - the bug report for Kword, btw :)
[03:44] <LjL> that looks nice
[03:44] <LjL> i'm sure it's a feature and not a bug
[03:45] <clintonthegeek> haha, that's what i though too. i thought it was showing the different heights and dimensions of my fonts or something
[03:45] <clintonthegeek> until i couldn't turn it off
[03:45] <LjL> must have been a shocking realization
[03:47] <clintonthegeek> well, i kept doubting it was a bug, 'cause i wondered how something that blatent could get released. 'guess it was just an oversite on a large scale
[03:48] <LjL> well, it's still a beta at any rate
[03:49] <clintonthegeek> yeah. it's cool. it'll be fixed in a while one way or another. i really like the transition to ODT as the default document :D
[03:49] <LjL> i like mostly that krita is coming out very nice
[03:50] <clintonthegeek> as well as all the other opendocument filetypes and programs. very cool that we'll finally get some real cross-platform standardization, not just compatibility
[03:50] <LjL> now i would like a decent audio editor, and for what i'm concerned, KDE would finally have all the applications one reasonably expects from it
[03:50] <clintonthegeek> aha
[03:50] <clintonthegeek> yeah, Audacity is pretty cool, but something QT would be nice
[03:50] <LjL> kwave stinks, no offence to the authors, but they've been pretty lazy lately
[03:51] <LjL> now there's this soniK that's just recently been released - very embrional, but i have some hope
[03:51] <LjL> on the other hand, Gnome seems to be full with all kinds of audio editors *grr*
[03:51] <clintonthegeek> hmm... haven't played around with it
[03:51] <clintonthegeek> anyhoo, i gotta go. so thanks for your help everyone! ttyl
[03:51] <LjL> CoolEdit on Windows was, err, cool
[03:51] <LjL> night
[03:53] <ilba7r> night LjL
[03:54] <`Nomad> LjL: thanks so much for all your help and guidance tonight.  win98 is about to reboot for the last time, and then I can start on teh endless update process  :)
[03:54] <hatake_kakashi> lmao
[03:54] <LjL> `Nomad: i don't believe that for a moment :)
[03:54] <LjL> anyway i'm *not* going away just yet, i was just greeting clintonthegeek ;)
[03:54] <LjL> though i definitely better go to bed as well
[03:56] <LjL> anyway do get a win2000 cd as soon as you can
[03:56] <LjL> win98 doesn't deserve being run, not even in an emulator =)
[03:56] <`Nomad> I know, I feel dirty, I swear!!  LOL
[03:56] <Tarus> What is a good ftp severto use?
[03:56] <Tarus> server**
[03:56] <hatake_kakashi> its sad to see within nt world, there only exist DOS emulator
[03:56] <ilba7r> LjL, than you should not run wine ;)
[03:57] <LjL> ilba7r: wine ain't win98
[03:57] <ilba7r> LjL, it uses dcomp
[03:57] <LjL> ilba7r: ok, it's a bit reminescent of it, but it still isn't
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> Tarus: vsftpd
[03:57] <`Nomad> well, if $e == 98 , then it is  ;)
[03:57] <ilba7r> win95 installer
[03:57] <LjL> eeh well
[03:57] <Tarus> LjL: win98 was microsofts best OS
[03:57] <LjL> not by any extent of imagination
[03:57] <LjL> it doesn't even have real memory protection
[03:58] <Tarus> LjL: compare it to there other work.. it was a BIG step from 95
[03:58] <LjL> (or multitasking for that matter, i don't think they removed the huge system-wide DLL lock in '98)
[03:58] <`Nomad> When I apply all the updates ( I was thinkign of letting it do auto updates) does qemu reboot automatically, or I have to reatart it every time?
[03:58] <LjL> windows 2000 runs fine
[03:58] <LjL> `Nomad: haven't the slightest idea, but i guess it reboots
[03:58] <Tarus> LjL: to many opens for its time
[03:58] <`Nomad> For my needs though, I think that 98 should be good enough
[03:59] <LjL> Tarus: ?
[03:59] <LjL> Tarus: linux had multitasking and MP well before '95
[04:00] <LjL> Tarus: win98 is laughable for simply being a revamped version of '95, *still* without any real OS features
[04:00] <Tarus> I mean to many openings as in security flaws that and bugs ... compared to the time that win98 came out.. so far the most "heart, soul, blood, sweat" etc... went into win98
[04:00] <`Nomad> if you setup linux in qemu, running qemu running linux, which is runnig qemu with the top file as a disk, do you get perpetual motion?
[04:00] <Tarus> But anyway
[04:00] <Tarus> *(lol)
[04:00] <`Nomad> Tarus: I agree with you, it almost felt like they worked at it.. ;)
[04:01] <`Nomad> Then win2K, and now everythignis just a front in front of win2K code
[04:01] <`Nomad> or so it looks anyway
[04:01] <LjL> bah... get windows 98 to crash, and i'll laugh at you -- get win2000 to crash, and i'll probably consider giving you an account on my debian
[04:01] <`Nomad> weird place to be discussing this, we're gonna get beat up and thrown out!!!  :)
[04:01] <Aji-Dahaka> huh, the final decision on if I like kubuntu or not is really difficult :(
[04:02] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: you don't, but you still like it more than you like windows or gnome. trust me :P
[04:02] <`Nomad> aji: why?
[04:02] <`Nomad> KDE always felt better to me
[04:02] <Tarus> 'Nomad: yes that and right now microsoft keeps putting things out when they arnt ready... It just keeps getting worse.. windows (the idea) is a good one... gates stole the idea I think he should at least use it and make it better. Instead they are more conserned with profit
[04:02] <`Nomad> solid,
[04:02] <Aji-Dahaka> kde feels better to me for sure
[04:02] <LjL> Tarus: what's the idea of windows?
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> it's not much a question of kde vs. gnome (or whatever) but ...
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> kubuntu vs. whatever else I choose that I can run kde on
[04:03] <`Nomad> ahhh
[04:03] <ilba7r> Aji-Dahaka, give your self more time to decide
[04:03] <`Nomad> Suse?
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> probably not suse ...
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> gentoo, maybe
[04:03] <`Nomad> I'd like to give Suse a try, haven't installed it in ages
[04:03] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: well, i have debian running on my server, and i've tried it on my desktop more than once as well... and i never quite got in terms with it, even though as a server it runs fine
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> I tried 10.0 and it was ... difficult
[04:04] <`Nomad> LjL: what do you use as a desktop?
[04:04] <Aji-Dahaka> kubuntu is missing software that I'm used to using from their versioning system which kinda bothers me
[04:04] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: i was very favorably impressed with (k)ubuntu, it installed without glitches, then of course i discovered it does have a few glitches here and there... but still, it's very workable
[04:04] <`Nomad> so far yes..
[04:04] <Aji-Dahaka> like no kmplayer and no version-controlled skype, etc.
[04:04] <`Nomad> I've never looked back yet for a desktop
[04:05] <Aji-Dahaka> usually I use FreeBSD, but am after a linux for development
[04:05] <LjL> `Nomad: well, my desktop machine is a Sempron 2GHz with Kubuntu Breezy and KDE 3.5.0, while my server is a K6 300MHz with Debian Testing and no X
[04:05] <`Nomad> Server, I don't knwo if I'd use it, or a BSD, or the obligatory RedHat if you'r ein North America
[04:05] <Aji-Dahaka> the fact that my kde home directory isn't working in kubuntu might be the big factor ...
[04:05] <`Nomad> how so?
[04:05] <Aji-Dahaka> and that it doesn't seem to respect the $HOME but instead somehow reverse-lookups on UID
[04:06] <LjL> `Nomad: well "server" means my home server anyway, nothing mission critical at all
[04:06] <LjL> `Nomad: debian testing gives me the freedom i need together with quite good stabilty
[04:06] <`Nomad> would Ubuntu run on a mission critical server?
[04:06] <Aji-Dahaka> probably could ... but why?
[04:06] <LjL> i wouldn't run on it
[04:07] <`Nomad> depends on teh "mission" I think :)
[04:07] <Tarus> LjL: I mean the IDEA for windows and many of the features it has they could make alot of money if they came out with it being solid it may take more time but people would respect the company more if they did. Anyway.... Can anyone recommend a good ftp server. I need to use one for ZPanel. Not sure which to pick and which is the easiest to configure. I need one that can easily be configured and pointed toward an address examp
[04:07] <Aji-Dahaka> (k)ubuntu are rather targeted at the workstation
[04:07] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: limit: examp
[04:07] <`Nomad> Iknow
[04:07] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: I have good work with vsftp ususally
[04:07] <Aji-Dahaka> luck*
[04:08] <LjL> Tarus: i'm still not sure what the "idea" for windows would be. they just made a cheap copy of what was available at the time in terms of GUIs...
[04:08] <`Nomad> I still wish I could have used a NeXT for a while
[04:08] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: its all capitalism :p
[04:08] <LjL> `Nomad: use it :)
[04:08] <`Nomad> yup
[04:08] <`Nomad> with the matching hardware.. :)  It seemed so far ahead of it,s time
[04:09] <Tarus> Aji-Dahaka: Does my server need to be set up with https to use it?
[04:09] <Aji-Dahaka> has anyone had trouble with kubuntu not respecting their home directory if they have 2 users with the same uid but different home directories?
[04:09] <`Nomad> wait, is there NeXT for Intel?
[04:09] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: probably not
[04:09] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: in fact, no
[04:09] <Tarus> Aji-Dahaka: *(lol) okay
[04:09] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: if it sells (and it sold!), good for them. but then, windows couldn't do anything that my Amiga didn't do much better and in a much friendlier way
[04:09] <LjL> so i don't quite tune into the "idea" thing
[04:09] <`Nomad> Aji: Why would that situation arise?
[04:09] <`Nomad> same UID
[04:10] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: to me windows has been steering towards the idea of eye-candy
[04:10] <LjL> `Nomad: or just use OS X, it's NeXTStep after all
[04:10] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: well, that's just a recent phenomenon though
[04:10] <Aji-Dahaka> `Nomad: because I have two users with different passwords and want them to have the _exact_ same permissions
[04:10] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: windows version from 1.0 to 3.1 were far from eyecandylike
[04:11] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: I bet the next windows release (aka vista) would probably turn out to be just like windows ME.. another little leeway for them to try and get more money to develop windows longhorn
[04:11] <`Nomad> I guess :)  I can't wait to be able to afford a laptop.. Probably a MAC
[04:11] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: i'm not sure you should do that
[04:11] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: it sounds like asking for trouble to me
[04:11] <Aji-Dahaka> LjL: it isn't in any other OS I use ...
[04:11] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: windows 2000 to windows XP, the core is pretty much hacked to suit XP, and from when you first boot up without any theme changes, it is noticeable that XP looks noobish
[04:12] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: well, don't quote me on this, but AFAIK, one UID should correspond to one user, otherwise you're in trouble
[04:12] <Aji-Dahaka> and kubuntu seems to do something wrong with having a user's home directory directly in /
[04:12] <Aji-Dahaka> LjL: I'll not quote you.  There are in fact Several OSes/Distros that ship with multiple users on one uid
[04:12] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: i can't stand XP with the default theme, i always switch back to plain Windows at once
[04:12] <Aji-Dahaka> LjL: maybe all of the BSDs, in fact
[04:12] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: iirc uid is an unique identity for that user, if one were to share the same with root, wouldn't that be odd too?
[04:13] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: same
[04:13] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: that's the exact case in freeBSD, actually.  toor shares root's uid (0) ... works just fine
[04:13] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: but, i don't really *have* to anyway, i just use windows 2000 instead (if i have to use windows at all)
[04:13] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: and the same goes with the windows vista, I've seen screenshots of it, and it doesn't look much different compared to xp except with those transparency which the idea originated from someone else
[04:14] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: odd
[04:14] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: MS is losing inventive on Windows i think
[04:14] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: its probably the way how certain users are handled? PAM?
[04:14] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: now that it's become nearly a real operating system, they have no ideas anymore :)
[04:15] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: I have a gut feeling that they are setting high goals without realising that they are fascinated with eye-candy features that _must_ be implemented before anything else
[04:15] <LjL> though i think they could start by cleaning up their messy filesystem hierarchy
[04:15] <LjL> (guess the same could be said for unix otoh)
[04:15] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: maybe, freebsd uses pam as well, though.  Users info is set up by login which shoudl be the only thing that reads through fstab to set the appropriate environment variables from the info provided there
[04:15] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: that's possible, see how innovations like WinFS got delayed and then cancelled...
[04:16] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: they speak real high for their new 'winfs' yet they have delayed it for like 5 years
[04:16] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: no no, I mean the way how its to be handled could probably be different
[04:16] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: if the $HOME variable says /home/a and another user with a matching $UID happens to be set to have homedir /home/b, _nothing_ should end up being in /home/b
[04:16] <Gumpo> Im trying to switch to the KDE environment, so i used apt-get to download and install the kubuntu-desktop package, but after rebooting i still have my normal gnome desktop. Anyone know what i should do?
[04:16] <Gumpo> (Im doing this off an Ubuntu install)
[04:17] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: in kubuntu, I can login, and cd (etc) take me to $HOME, but when I startkde, it starts writing in the homedir of the matching-uid'd user
[04:17] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: funny thing is that they cancelled the idea of winfs on vista..yet before that time, they say its most likely that it will be on it
[04:17] <LjL> Gumpo: choose KDE at login
[04:17] <Tarus> hatake_kakashi: THAT delaying for 5 years would be a good thing
[04:17] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: they have no clue :)
[04:18] <Tarus> hatake_kakashi: I personally think the new windows should be delayed till LATE next year... instead its set for dec.
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: heh, again its different from the way its built, I'm no expert but from looking at the three kernels (solaris, fbsd, linux) it looks fairly different
[04:18] <Gumpo> It doesnt give me a choice. I selected KDE when i installed, and when i rebooted i got the Kubuntu login screen, but everything else was my old Ubuntu stuff.
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> Tarus: really? I feel that would be somewhat stupid.. zfs from Sun would probably cain.. and if reiser4 gets fixed would be nice
[04:18] <MrJangles> whats the command to burn a cd?
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: as usual
[04:18] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: but my shell takes me to the write place, and lnusertemp the wrong place.  That's definitely a bug outside of kernelland
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> MrJangles: cdrecord ?
[04:19] <Aji-Dahaka> (way outside as users are also mostly outside of it)
[04:19] <MrJangles> is there a program in kde?
[04:19] <`Nomad> k3b
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: well, that would probably be needed to be addressed through their mailing-list perhaps?
[04:19] <`Nomad> excellent
[04:20] <Tarus> hatake_kakashi: yes but you know how long reiser has been in development... I was saying that if microsoft wanted to use there OWN filesystem.... Although it would be CHEAPER and more efficiant to simply use one thats already proven very good
[04:21] <Tarus> microsfot just wants to be able to say that it is theirs and CONTROL it *(lol)
[04:21] <LjL> Tarus: that would not be in line with what MS always used to do, by any means
[04:21] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: maybe, but it's funny because it doesn't happen in other OSen that use lnusertemp ... I would file the bug if I could figure out who to point at for blame :p  I should dig into that code when I have time (after finals)
[04:21] <Tarus> microsoft**
[04:21] <Tarus> ha ha
[04:21] <hatake_kakashi> Tarus: proven very good? FAT32 is nice but it has 4GB limit.. NTFS was stolen from some other company's idea and yet their so called ADS will benefit users when they realised it does totally the opposite
[04:21] <LjL> Tarus: microsoft surely couldn't use ReiserFS or somesuch in Windows anyway, as that's stuff under the GPL (LGPL if all goes well)
[04:22] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: heh, either way, the old saying goes "Its built by humans, for humans" still stands :)
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> indeed
[04:23] <Tarus> I think NTFS is pretty "ok"
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> too bad NTFS is not well supported on linux except for captive-ntfs
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> so I might hide in a different linux until this problem is resolved
[04:23] <LjL> yeah, though i guess i wouldn't use it as the main filesystem on linux anyway
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> (and kmplayer is brought into the packaging system)
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: heh, LFS? :D j/k
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: usually I do gentoo
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> (almost as bad, huh?)
[04:24] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: I am seriously considering to re-allocate my ntfs filesystems that I have to ext3 due to the nature that it is supported by both parties
[04:24] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: well you cannot really compare gentoo to LFS
[04:25] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: well, i'm not sure it's very well supported as a native FS under windows, or is it
[04:25] <LjL> to me, the one big advantage of NTFS is its on-the-fly compression capability
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: *shrugs* via third party tools, yes
[04:25] <natkae> How can I make a set of kde prefrences (window decorations, theme, task bar settings, etc...) the default for any new users I create?
[04:25] <Tarus> Aji-Dahaka: How is gentoo? Compared to Kubuntu? I know kubuntu has the advantage of being seperate from the debian pool which is one reason I use it. But gentoo has there own way of doing things... Does it take that long to compile a program ever time you want to install a new one?
[04:25] <Aji-Dahaka> 12:30, lunch time mates!  talk to you lata
[04:25] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: oh, it's largely source-based
[04:26] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: so it takes a while to compile things if you want the stuff from the source tree
[04:26] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: i had the impression that those tools weren't too reliable tho
[04:26] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: but it seems to not break often for me and the package system is simple which makes it easy to fix problems that occur
[04:26] <Tarus> Tarus: is there an "easy" way to uninstall things?
[04:26] <Tarus> Aji-Dahaka: ***
[04:26] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah
[04:27] <Aji-Dahaka> emerge -c <name of package>
[04:27] <LjL> sudo apt-get remove thing
[04:27] <LjL> oh gentoo
[04:27] <Tarus> thats not bad
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: if only ms stops being greedy, using things coming out of FLOSS for their commercial use.. it would be nicer.. but no, many ms advocates are stupid enough to not see the blinding light that corprations are starting to go 'make-or-break' situation with the hybrid environment
[04:27] <Tarus> I guess the main downside would be time spent compiling
[04:28] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: you do know they'd have to open-source windows if they linked to any GPL components though
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> Tarus: though many recommends stage3 rather than stage 1 unless if you are really gung-ho about it
[04:28] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: but since computers are way overpowered these days and schedulers are good, you can compile in the background easily
[04:28] <Tarus> I was reading that Gates came out and said that they want to make a FREE version of windows
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: well, they have been anti-competitive.. and I don't think they even care.. they ignored POSIX compliance and created their own..
[04:28] <Tarus> WITH ADDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:29] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: the only thing is you don't get to play with your new software the minute you want to ... but since I mostly know what I like, it's not an issue here
[04:29] <LjL> yeah i read that too somewhere
[04:29] <Tarus> Yes they plan on making more money from the add one then they do the one they sell
[04:29] <ClayG> anyone here set up 2 or more vhosts in httpd.conf before?
[04:30] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: anyways, dinner here.  Try gentoo sometime if you have a few free hours spread out over several days ;)
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> heh he's gone
[04:30] <Aji-Dahaka> bah
[04:30] <Aji-Dahaka> oh well
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> and funny that his ident points to 'root'
[04:31] <`Nomad> hehe
[04:33] <`Nomad> I wonder how many weeks it'll take to bring win98 up to 'patched' status :)
[04:34] <_vge> i lived in a tought that it dont have support aka no patches anymore
[04:34] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: ms has discontinued support for win98
[04:34] <_vge> so pretty fast actually ;)
[04:34] <LjL> time for bed, night
[04:39] <`Nomad> I'm downloading updates now
[04:39] <`Nomad> SP1, IE 6
[04:39] <`Nomad> it's going pretty fast too, on my old AMD Athlon 1800
[04:54] <`Nomad> !gimp
[04:54] <ubotu> from memory, gimp is at http://www.gimp.org
[04:55] <Spudly> g'day folks
[04:56] <Spudly> anyone got any comments on whether Kubuntu is _actually_ faster (efficeint, less resource intensive, etc) than Ubuntu?
[05:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[05:03] <apappu> hi
[05:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i was setting my system in order to control the cpu freq by hand
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i made an error and now i can't uninstall cpufreq
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> synaptics give me this error
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> E: cpufreqd: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i think it is because i removed by hand the entry in /etc/init.d
[05:04] <apappu> what do u mean removing by hand
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> read above
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok problem solved :)
[05:06] <apappu> what did u do
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just created with touch an empty file
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in init.d
[05:06] <apappu> ok
[05:06] <apappu> cool
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and synaptics didn't gave me any error
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyway
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to control the freq with cpufreq-selector
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> using this command cpufreq-selector -f 1610000
[05:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but it seems it needs one of the freq controller installed like powernowd cpufreq and so on
[05:07] <apappu> r u usng a laptop
[05:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with needs i mean that otherwise it gives me this error when executed
[05:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ( yes, on a laptop)
[05:08] <apappu> ok otherwise u dont need to change it
[05:08] <a-priori> hey, does anyone know if it's possible to load the whole livecd into ram so it doesn't need the cd?
[05:09] <apappu> do u by any chance know how to change the font of shell to be comic-san
[05:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh....
[05:09] <a-priori> I know I've done it before?
[05:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't find the error, but it tells me that it need a cpu freq controller
[05:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> once i install powernowd anyway the program works but if i set the freq to 1.6M
[05:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> after few seconds the daemon bring it back at 600K
[05:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the only way to lock this autocontrol is to kill powernowd process
[05:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what does it changes between killing powernowd and don't starting it at boot?
[05:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> using the second procedure i still get the same "miss cpu freq controller" error
[05:12] <httpdss> does anyone know how to get a kodak dvc323 (webcam) working on ubuntu (kubuntu) ... ?? sane aparently has support for that one, but i couldnt get it to work
[05:13] <ClayG> anyone here deal with vhosts in httpd.conf before?
[05:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no
[05:15] <zblach> hi
[05:15] <zblach> anyone here know a fool-proof way to install ATI drivers?
[05:17] <zblach> no?
[05:21] <kameron> !ati
[05:21] <ubotu> well, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[05:21] <kameron> zblach, ^^
[05:23] <zblach> kam, thx
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i know in which package a file is contained?
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> suppose that i have the file /etc/init.d/cpufreqd
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i know to which debian package it comes from?
[05:27] <rance> how do I install a package as setuid
[05:28] <rance> I installed LinNeighborhood and it installed smbfs as a dependency, but when I try to mount the remote path, I get an error smbmount must be installed suid root for direct user mounts
[05:29] <kameron> Tallia1Kubuntu, cpufreqd is the package name. try this: 'sudo apt-cache search cpufreqd'
[05:29] <hatake_kakashi> !pastebin
[05:29] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nop it is not
[05:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i uninstalled cpufreqd
[05:32] <kameron> Tallia1Kubuntu, when you uninstall a program, it often leaves it's configuration files, among other things. you'll notice if you uninstall kde, or mozilla, the ~./mozilla or ~/.kde will still be there.
[05:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yeah but that is a script autostarted in the boot
[05:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it could be stupid to leave that there
[05:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> at boot time*
[05:33] <kameron> and, it was left there when you uninstalled cpufreqd. i'm sure it was installed there when you installed cpufreqd
[05:33] <kameron> and when you removed it, it remained.
[05:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[05:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> not so sure
[05:34] <kameron> try removing it, then 'sudo apt-get install cpufreqd'
[05:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyway... how can i get the informations collectable by the installed files panel in synaptics in the shell?
[05:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> when i am using the shell*
[05:35] <kameron> i didn't quite understand the question. but synaptic is an ubuntu-desktop thing.
[05:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know
[05:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i use to use it from long time
[05:35] <kameron> what's the question?
[05:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> apt-cache show PACKNAME
[05:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is the answer
[05:37] <kameron> sweet, so long as you have the answer.. makes things easy for me.
[05:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> actually it's not the answer :P
[05:37] <kameron> dang.
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kameron: but this is the right one :) dpkg -L cpufreqd
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dpkg -L
[05:41] <kameron> ah, for list. okay.
[05:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dpkg -S FILE
[05:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is even better :)
[05:42] <kameron> ;-)
[05:43] <adub> is there a way in kde to disable touchpad mouse
[05:43] <kameron> yeah, break it.
[05:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> usually there are keys on the laptop
[05:43] <kameron> but be careful, it's a permanent.
[05:44] <adub> umm domt see any
[05:44] <adub> i just have two buttons left adn right
[05:48] <alvin> how could i set the dpi? the default seems huge
[05:48] <alvin> running kubutun breezy here
[05:48] <kameron> k >> system settings >> mouse
[05:49] <adub> didnt see an option for touchpad in there
[05:49] <adub> but im using usb mouse right now when i type on this laptop im constantly hiting the touchpad its annoying
[06:03] <bryanl> what kde package do i need to install to configure kde display properties?
[06:03] <ilba7r> !info kcontrol
[06:04] <ubotu> kcontrol: (control center for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu6 (breezy), Packaged size: 7589 kB, Installed size: 16816 kB
[06:04] <ilba7r> that is your best bet bryanl kde control center
[06:04] <bryanl> thanks
[06:04] <ilba7r> yw:)
[06:05] <bryanl> i'm running all gnome here... but i'm using esvn, and the fonts are way too big on my lcd...
[06:05] <ilba7r> bryan i used kcontrol to fix that
[06:05] <bryanl> i'm actually running dapper... its downloading kcontrol 3.5.1 now
[06:05] <ilba7r> it will install a bunch of kde lib though
[06:05] <bryanl> thats cool... i have lots of disk space
[06:06] <ilba7r> bryanl, i used kcontrol to fix lyx and kile
[06:06] <bryanl> i fixed my issue... thanks for your help ilba7r
[06:07] <ilba7r> your welcomed:)
[06:09] <StR> hi all
[06:09] <StR> how do I downgrade to kde 3.5.0?
[06:10] <ilba7r> StR, there is no simple way to do it
[06:10] <StR> ilba7r: how would you do it?
[06:10] <ilba7r> StR, you have to force downgrade each package
[06:10] <StR> each package?
[06:11] <ilba7r> yap
[06:11] <kameron> StR, probably uninstall the packages you have now, then make sure your sources.list is configured to get it from repos with 3.5, reinstall
[06:11] <_vge> why does my brand new apache+php server opens file dialog window when .php file is requested?
[06:11] <kameron> ouch, each package. that's rough
[06:11] <ilba7r> StR, how did you install kubuntu
[06:11] <StR> ilba7r: ok.. lets try something else....   how do I install missing packages if I did an "aptitude  upgrade" instead of an "aptitude distupgrade" ?
[06:11] <ilba7r> if you used aptitude it is easy
[06:12] <beefsprocket> _vge: konqueror or firefox?
[06:12] <_vge> bought
[06:12] <beefsprocket> _vge: are you sure php is running?
[06:12] <StR> ilba7r: I did an "aptitude upgrade" to get lde 3.5.1...
[06:12] <_vge> well basically the packet is installed as far as i see
[06:12] <ilba7r> StR, mm your broken packages might not be in the new kde
[06:13] <beefsprocket> _vge: which packages specifically do you have installed
[06:13] <beefsprocket> ?
[06:13] <ilba7r> StR, did you upgrade from hoary
[06:13] <StR> ilba7r: my problem is that kontact crashes every time now...
[06:13] <pussfeller> 0 17 * * 1-5 should run m-f at 4pm, right?
[06:14] <_vge> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP <-- thease
[06:14] <StR> ilba7r: I upgraded from hoary to get breezy 3.4.. then upgrade to get 3.5.... and now  upgrade to get 3.5.1... but my kontact is crashing every time...  even after i did rm ~/kde/*/*/kontact*
[06:14] <ilba7r> str have you checked if it is just a bug with kontact
[06:14] <StR> ilba7r: no... all the ppl I ask do note get the error
[06:14] <ilba7r> StR, ok lets redo that it might work
[06:15] <ilba7r> first do a dist-upgrade
[06:15] <ilba7r> than run sudo aptitude upgrade again
[06:15] <ilba7r> you might be missing either some config files or some basic packages
[06:15] <beefsprocket> _vge: I take it you followed the entire page.. have you tried serving static content to see if html works?
[06:16] <StR> ilba7r: nothing..  no new package was installed
[06:17] <ilba7r> StR, am sorry can not help.
[06:17] <pussfeller> why didnt my cron run?
[06:17] <ilba7r> would you try sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:17] <pussfeller> dont ubuntu have user crons
[06:17] <_vge> beefsprocket: yes, apache is running and html pages work
[06:17] <StR> ilba7r: i get:
[06:17] <StR> The following packages will be REINSTALLED:
[06:17] <StR>   kubuntu-desktop
[06:18] <ilba7r> ok do it
[06:18] <Phelddagrif> Guys, I'm having trouble with my install. After I installed Kubuntu, I restarted and was welcomed by a "Grub loading, error 21" message, so I put in my win 98 boot disk and fixed my mbr, but since I'm trying to dual boot both Kubuntu and XP, I don't get any sort of message to choose between the two and my computer automatically boots to XP. What's going on?
[06:18] <ilba7r> its a meta package thought more will be reinstalled
[06:18] <StR> ilba7r: nope.. it installed only that one
[06:18] <ilba7r> StR, do you have another desktop installed
[06:19] <StR> ilba7r: nop.. only kde...
[06:19] <ilba7r> mm how about doing a test. make a new user
[06:19] <ilba7r> login with his name and test kontact
[06:19] <StR> ilba7r: I do get  this msg after the crash:
[06:19] <StR> kabc: WARNING: address format database incomplete (no format for locale gt found). Using default address formatting.
[06:19] <StR> *** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing)
[06:19] <ilba7r> let us see if it is kontact or the upgrade
[06:20] <ilba7r> what is the package language gt?
[06:20] <StR> ilba7r: I don't know.. I think GT is for Guatemala, where I live
[06:21] <ilba7r> str i do not know how to set your locale but i guess this is the source of your prob
[06:21] <ilba7r> it might be a pckage you need to install
[06:22] <StR> ilba7r: should it be this one?
[06:22] <ilba7r> !locale
[06:22] <ubotu> ilba7r: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:22] <StR> str@dvo:~$ set | grep LANGUAGE
[06:22] <StR> LANGUAGE=en_GT:en
[06:23] <ilba7r> ok str it is sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale
[06:23] <StR> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:24] <ilba7r> ya
[06:26] <nrdb> is it possible to mount samba shares as part of the file system with 'mount' ?
[06:27] <GullyFoyle> i would like to use the jin chess client. i d/led it but it gives me numerous errors when i try to run it. it is a java program. should i try to install Sun's  JRE, i.e. by java-package? the jin chess client has always worked for me on every linux distro and believe me that's a lot of em.
[06:27] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, it work well with sun java
[06:27] <ilba7r> also you might try eboard
[06:27] <ilba7r> same quality
[06:28] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, and perhaps we can play a game oneday :)
[06:28] <GullyFoyle> i know about eboard but i like jin. if i install Sun's JRE will I get any conflicts?
[06:29] <ilba7r> what do you mean by conflicts?
[06:29] <ilba7r> and i run jin with sun java no problems it is a little bit slow though to my taste
[06:35] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: ruh roh, i d/l ed eboard and untarred etc, i don't have the compiler installed. should i just apt-get install gcc or what?
[06:35] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, eboard is in the repos
[06:36] <ilba7r> just apt-get it
[06:36] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: ok lemme check
[06:36] <ilba7r> !info eboard
[06:36] <ubotu> eboard: (A graphical chessboard program), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-4build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 520 kB, Installed size: 1516 kB
[06:37] <nrdb> I am trying to use mount to mount a samba share, it keeps telling me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //sharons/sharonsdata," can anyone help?
[06:37] <poningru> nrdb: what do you try to mount it as?
[06:38] <poningru> the fs I mean
[06:38] <nrdb> poningru: -t smbfs at /tmp/samba
[06:38] <poningru> hmm weird
[06:38] <poningru> wait you sure its not just smb?
[06:38] <poningru> not smbfs
[06:39] <Mungallo> do you have sharing set up on the samba share? win32 side?
[06:39] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: ok it's working....thanks
[06:39] <nrdb> poningru: I don't seem to have smbmount, what do you mean smb?
[06:39] <poningru> yeah nm it is smbfs
[06:39] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, your welcomed
[06:40] <nrdb> Mungallo: I have no problem using Konqueror
[06:40] <poningru> nrdb: check what Mungallo just said
[06:40] <poningru> oh hmm
[06:40] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: uh oh it keeps segfaulting
[06:40] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, are you running dapper. for i do not have those prob at all here
[06:40] <Mungallo> didn't think you did nrdb, but I use occam's razor and start at the easy stuff.
[06:41] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: no breezy on amd64
[06:41] <StR> anyone knows where the toolbar configuration is saved?
[06:41] <Mungallo> so the windows box has sharing enabled on the folder you're trying to share?
[06:41] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, with amd64 expect lots of troubles unless you opt down to i386 kernel
[06:42] <nrdb> Mungallo: I am tied on copping one file to Linux edit it then copy back, again, again and again.
[06:42] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: grr it keeps segfaulting
[06:42] <ilba7r> StR, was reconfiguring your locale any help?
[06:42] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r:  i'm gonna try installing a different JRE and using jin
[06:43] <StR> ilba7r: no.. I think is my toolbar...  because it crashes when I switch the toolbar.. and now seting it back to the default.. i think it works..
[06:43] <ilba7r> StR, good luck than
[06:43] <Mungallo> nrdb: I am confused, I thought the problem was that you couldn't get a smb share to mount on your local FS?
[06:44] <StR> ilba7r: the probem is that if I change the views a lot (from summary to mail, to contacts, to rss, and again and again)  in the mail toolbar, I have a big wite space between the spam buttons and the "what is this"
[06:45] <ilba7r> StR, i have no idea what might cause that hope you can figure it out
[06:45] <nrdb> Mungallo: that is correct, I can use Konqueror to transfer files back and forth, but I want do be able to use other programs (e.g. gimp) without first coping the file.
[06:45] <GullyFoyle> tihs is the include java runtime environment? I GOTTA LOOK UP DEBIAN'S JAVA-PACKAGE AND INSTALL IT. unfortunately amd 64 is not well-supported yet.gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[06:46] <Mungallo> I see, so you want to be able to have the share mounted and access it(a file on the share) from a program?
[06:46] <Knowerrors> If I burn a cd with jpgs an gifs on it, without file extensions, will someone with windows xp, a macOSX, or regular dvd player be able to read it, or do I need the extensions?
[06:46] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, try the forums i remember someone managed to figure out how to set it there
[06:47] <nrdb> Mungallo: yes, from somewhere like /mnt/samba
[06:47] <Mungallo> that shouldn't be a problem.
[06:48] <Mungallo> its faster to do it from the local fs though.
[06:48] <nrdb> Mungallo: it is (mount -t smbfs //sharons/sharonsdata /tmp/samba/ -o username="",password="") isn't doing it.
[06:49] <Mungallo> nrdb: it should already be mounted though if you can read it from konquerer.
[06:49] <GullyFoyle> i don't wanna go back to Mandriva. I prefer "The Debian Way". But I thought (K)ubuntu was more up-to-date than waiting for Debian to test every pkg on every architecture.
[06:49] <Mungallo> Gully, whats the problem?
[06:50] <GullyFoyle> the problem is the JRE on amd64, and just about everything else on amd64
[06:50] <nrdb> Mungallo: Konqueror has the URL of "smb://sharons/SHARONSDATA" but this isn't visable from the filesystem.
[06:50] <Mungallo> nrdb: I'm not really sure what to tell you then, find a faq/howto on the subject?
[06:51] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, exactly it will all work out if you installed the i386 image
[06:51] <Mungallo> Guly, I tend to agree with you amd64 is a bit buggy.
[06:51] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: i know, but then what's the point of having a 64-bit processor?
[06:52] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, then wait till it is better supported. life is life GullyFoyle
[06:52] <nrdb> Mungallo: I came here after a google or two, they say to this should work, but it doesn't.  I was hopping to find out why.
[06:52] <Mungallo> it'll be there eventually? ;)
[06:52] <ilba7r> that is how it is when living on the edje :)
[06:52] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: i'll just mess around and try to come up with something
[06:53] <ilba7r> goodluck
[06:53] <nrdb> Mungallo: what version of mount should I have?
[06:53] <Mungallo> what are you trying to run Gully?
[06:53] <GullyFoyle> i'm gonna see if java-package works
[06:53] <Mungallo> nrdb: that shouldn't matter
[06:53] <Mungallo> jvm/jre? or development?
[06:53] <nrdb> Mungallo: do I need the smbmount program?
[06:54] <Mungallo> you can give that a shot.
[06:54] <GullyFoyle> if i could get ut2004 working properly i wouldn't have to boot Winbloze at all, har har...
[06:54] <nrdb> Mungallo: do you know which package to install to get it?
[06:55] <Mungallo> nrdb: check this out http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#NETWORK-CONFIGURATION-NSF-SMB
[06:56] <Mungallo> thats how I learned to do it.
[06:56] <GullyFoyle> uname -a
[06:56] <GullyFoyle> Linux ringworld 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic #1 Mon Jan 16 17:16:24 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:56] <Red_Herring> slackbook.org?
[06:56] <Red_Herring> ringworld...?
[06:57] <Red_Herring> !kdethemes
[06:57] <Mungallo> slackbook is the slackware website, they have good generic docs.
[06:57] <Red_Herring> oh
[06:57] <Red_Herring> nice
[06:57] <GullyFoyle> does anyone here run amd64 and is there a smooth way to install Sun's JRE or a reasonable equivalent?
[06:57] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[06:57] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:57] <Red_Herring> maybe?
[06:57] <Red_Herring> it works
[06:57] <Mungallo> Gully: I can give it a shot.
[06:57] <Red_Herring> but im not sure if its 64
[06:58] <Red_Herring> !jre
[06:58] <ubotu> Red_Herring: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:59] <Red_Herring> !sunJRE
[06:59] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[06:59] <Red_Herring> !java
[06:59] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[06:59] <Red_Herring> !javadebs
[06:59] <Red_Herring> yeah...
[07:00] <Red_Herring> i think you use seveas for java 64bit
[07:00] <Mungallo> Gully, are you trying to install the whole sdk or just the JRE?
[07:00] <Red_Herring> it *shouldnt* matter
[07:00] <Red_Herring> they have the same install method
[07:00] <Mungallo> I'm just trying to figure out which file to dl
[07:01] <Mungallo> ;)
[07:01] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[07:01] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:01] <Red_Herring> ^ thats always good
[07:02] <Red_Herring> /sighs
[07:06] <GullyFoyle> how do i check whether ihave the multiverse repo available?
[07:07] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:07] <Red_Herring> uhh
[07:07] <Red_Herring> well
[07:07] <ilba7r> see if it is there or comented or not
[07:07] <Red_Herring> yeah
[07:07] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:07] <Red_Herring> what packages are in the restricted?
[07:07] <Red_Herring> multiverse
[07:08] <ilba7r> !tell GullyFoyle about easysource
[07:08] <Red_Herring> is easyubuntu FINALLY out yet?
[07:09] <ilba7r> !tell Red_Herring about packages
[07:09] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[07:09] <Red_Herring> i know what packages are
[07:09] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, the link will give the pckage list
[07:09] <Red_Herring> oh
[07:10] <Red_Herring> i thought you were giving me an inro to packages
[07:10] <Red_Herring> sorry
[07:10] <ilba7r> or a link to it let me check if i bookmarked it
[07:11] <Mungallo> jre installed fine
[07:11] <Red_Herring> for 64 bit?
[07:11] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, if you have all the repos just use adept to browse them
[07:12] <Mungallo> yep.
[07:12] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: i personally hate adept, i use synaptic
[07:12] <ilba7r> cool
[07:12] <Red_Herring> eh, they both have thier ups and downs
[07:12] <Red_Herring> adept has more potential
[07:13] <Red_Herring> kynaptic sucks
[07:13] <Red_Herring> and synaptic is THE MOST functional
[07:13] <Red_Herring> and easyest to use BY FAR
[07:13] <Red_Herring> Mungallo: you use seveas repos?
[07:14] <Mungallo> no, java.sun.com
[07:14] <Red_Herring> oh
[07:14] <Red_Herring> well
[07:14] <Red_Herring> i did that
[07:14] <Red_Herring> and then found out that seveas has ALL that
[07:15] <shreevatsa> Names of java apps don't appear in the taskbar
[07:15] <Mungallo> oh, well, I just did the sun install and it work ed fine.
[07:16] <shreevatsa> On Gnome, I see a blank thing in the taskbar, and on KDE, I see something like "com-sun-javaws..."
[07:16] <Red_Herring> shreevatsa: really? i NEVER had that problem
[07:16] <Mungallo> shreevasta: that needs to be coded into the app.
[07:16] <Red_Herring> shreevatsa: are you using blackdown?
[07:17] <shreevatsa> But the apps do display their names on other computers (on Windows and Debian machines I've used elsewhere)
[07:17] <shreevatsa> No, Sun java
[07:17] <Red_Herring> hmm
[07:17] <Red_Herring> is this your program?
[07:17] <shreevatsa> No
[07:17] <Red_Herring> or azures/limewire
[07:17] <shreevatsa> Limewire, for example
[07:18] <Red_Herring> well
[07:18] <Red_Herring> when i close it out
[07:18] <Red_Herring> i get teh same thing
[07:19] <shreevatsa> funny, azureus works
[07:19] <shreevatsa> but LimeWire doesn't, and neither do some other applets
[07:19] <Red_Herring> well, like i said, when i close it to the taskbar, i get that error
[07:19] <shreevatsa> For LimeWire, I see "Com-limegroup-gnutella-gui-Main"
[07:20] <shreevatsa> So, is there a fix?
[07:20] <shreevatsa> I see it all the time
[07:20] <Red_Herring> but that seems like a minor flaw, and since i am just starting java programming...
[07:20] <Red_Herring> i dont know a fix
[07:20] <Red_Herring> it may be the program
[07:20] <Red_Herring> it may be the runtime envornment
[07:20] <Red_Herring> it may be kde
[07:21] <Red_Herring> i got a real quesiton thats on topic:
[07:21] <Red_Herring> i have a mac
[07:21] <Red_Herring> an imac, 700mhz
[07:21] <Red_Herring> green
[07:22] <Red_Herring> but the odd part is the harddrive is SCSI slot, but it connects to an ide slot at the mobo
[07:22] <Red_Herring> (typical apple config)
[07:22] <Red_Herring> and ubuntu donesnt know which one it is
[07:22] <Red_Herring> any fixes?
[07:23] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, try those questions in ubuntu channels
[07:23] <ilba7r> many of apple users are there
[07:25] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: wow, kopete nearly freezes up when i go there
[07:25] <ilba7r> mmm am using xchat here
[07:25] <Red_Herring> eh
[07:25] <Red_Herring> i like all my accounds under 1 program
[07:25] <ilba7r> running ion3 for i think kde and gnome are bloated :)
[07:25] <Red_Herring> too much for me to think about
[07:27] <howcomes> How can i make my NTFS Partition writeable from within linux ?
[07:28] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[07:28] <Red_Herring> go to m$
[07:28] <ilba7r> !ntfs
[07:28] <ubotu> it has been said that ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:28] <Red_Herring> ask them for the NTFS souce code
[07:28] <howcomes> this is what my fstab looks like
[07:28] <Red_Herring> pay 10000
[07:28] <howcomes> /dev/hda2       /C              ntfs    ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000        0       0
[07:28] <Red_Herring> and then write a program to do it
[07:28] <ilba7r> howcomes but writing to ntfs is risky and not recommended
[07:28] <Red_Herring> howcomes: you cant write to it without risking serous damanges to teh partition
[07:29] <howcomes> damn , Thats means this Pink Floyd discography will be forever stuck on this ext3 partition
[07:29] <Red_Herring> so?
[07:29] <ilba7r> howcomes, on the other hand you can read a linux partition from window :)
[07:29] <Red_Herring> kudos, i <3 pink floyd
[07:30] <howcomes> :P
[07:30] <Red_Herring> !ext3ifs
[07:30] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[07:30] <ilba7r> !ext2fs
[07:30] <ubotu> ilba7r: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:30] <Red_Herring> !google ext2fs
[07:30] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:30] <Red_Herring> well, anyway, thats what its called
[07:30] <howcomes> There's a torrent up - with this - ill pm you
[07:30] <ilba7r> howcomes, yah google ext2fs
[07:31] <howcomes> ext2fs ?
[07:32] <Red_Herring> howcomes: i was sooooooooooooo mad, David gilmore is gonna play at the rosemont arena, 20 min away from me...
[07:32] <howcomes> I dont know why i choose ext3 , seemed like a good idea at the time
[07:32] <Red_Herring> but its sold out :-(
[07:32] <Red_Herring> howcomes: its a very good choice
[07:32] <ilba7r> howcomes, yah there are drivers to read linux ext2 and ext3 from ntfs window
[07:33] <ilba7r> howcomes, http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html
[07:33] <howcomes> via Cygwin ?
[07:33] <ilba7r> no
[07:33] <Red_Herring> howcomes: its a windows driver
[07:34] <ilba7r> it is just reading the file system you do not need cygwin for that
[07:34] <Red_Herring> just how there is a driver in windows for NTFS, theres now one for ext3
[07:34] <howcomes> k
[07:34] <howcomes> and using that i can copy to my windows partition ?
[07:34] <ilba7r> yap
[07:34] <Red_Herring> under windows you can
[07:34] <Red_Herring> not under linux
[07:35] <howcomes> k
[07:35] <howcomes> furthermore, is there a good way to take free space from one partition and slap it onto the end of my linux partiton
[07:37] <ilba7r> howcomes, doing that is always risky under window partition magic. linux qtparted
[07:37] <Red_Herring> howcomes: uhhh, not sure, try qtparted
[07:37] <howcomes> qtparted ok
[07:37] <Red_Herring> but the problem is, if the ext3 partition is his root partiton...
[07:37] <howcomes> I've got one drive, split up at 70/10GB for NTFS/EXT3
[07:37] <Red_Herring> you need to use windows/a livecd if ya wanna change around the linux partitioin
[07:37] <Red_Herring> and vise versa
[07:38] <howcomes> hmm
[07:38] <Red_Herring> howcomes: i got 160 for ntfs/fat, and 120 for EXT3
[07:38] <howcomes> i can use fdisk to set the bootable flag to my NTFS partition
[07:38] <howcomes> boot the Kubuntu cd in rescue mode
[07:38] <howcomes> *Ubuntu
[07:38] <Red_Herring> i hafta say when i scrub the 160 one clean, its having 10gb ntfs, the rest will all be ext3
[07:39] <Red_Herring> is qtparted on the livecd?
[07:39] <howcomes> yea, well a few weeks ago i was really proficient enough in linux to use it as a desktop (This is my first Debian based distro, was using Slackware 10.2 before this)
[07:39] <howcomes> and im not sure
[07:39] <Red_Herring> wow, its 12:39 over here
[07:39] <Red_Herring> how is slackware?
[07:39] <howcomes> its good-ish
[07:40] <Red_Herring> ish?
[07:40] <howcomes> Well i couldnt get 3d Acceleration on it
[07:40] <howcomes> but other then that its very usable
[07:40] <Red_Herring> huh
[07:40] <Red_Herring> what graphics card?
[07:40] <howcomes> ATi Radeon 9200 SE
[07:41] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:41] <Red_Herring> well
[07:41] <Red_Herring> thats not slackware, thats ATI
[07:41] <howcomes> i know
[07:41] <howcomes> ATi sucks hardcore monkey choda
[07:41] <ilba7r> howcomes, did you use fglrx
[07:41] <Red_Herring> good way of putting it
[07:41] <howcomes> yes i did liba7r
[07:41] <howcomes> i got it working now under Kubutu, a format and a clean install later
[07:41] <ilba7r> nice
[07:42] <howcomes> now i got ET, ETF, TCE and ut2003 demo installed :P
[07:42] <Red_Herring> very nice
[07:42] <howcomes> i like that TCE , replaces that counter-strike addiction i used to have :P
[07:42] <Red_Herring> howcomes: oh yeah! well i have doom 3, quake 4, ut2004, quake3arena, et, AND aa installed :-P
[07:42] <Red_Herring> whats TCE?
[07:43] <howcomes> i didnt like aa , but i might try it again
[07:43] <Red_Herring> howcomes: niether do i
[07:43] <Red_Herring> but it made my list longer ;-)
[07:43] <howcomes> I had doom 3, but my ATi Radeon just goes DURRRR with Doom 3 and Q4
[07:43] <Red_Herring> yup
[07:43] <Red_Herring> i got a 6600GT
[07:43] <Red_Herring> i can play quake 4
[07:43] <howcomes> I've got a nVidia GeForce4 MX 4000 as well
[07:43] <howcomes> but my roomate is using it
[07:43] <Red_Herring> high settings
[07:43] <Red_Herring> at 1600x1200
[07:43] <Red_Herring> NO LAG!
[07:44] <Red_Herring> with a 6600gt!
[07:44] <Red_Herring> because nvidia has AMAZING openGL support
[07:44] <howcomes> Which card do you think is better
[07:44] <Red_Herring> howcomes: i would consider "borrowing" his
[07:44] <Red_Herring> just consider it
[07:45] <howcomes> ATi Radeon 9200 SE 128mb or nVidia GeForce 4 MX 4000
[07:45] <howcomes> both 128mb
[07:45] <Red_Herring> i would say they both are eqally bad
[07:45] <howcomes> heh
[07:45] <Red_Herring> but since one is NVIDIA
[07:45] <Red_Herring> i would go with teh nvidia
[07:45] <Red_Herring> it *is* a geforce 4
[07:45] <howcomes> well i had problems with nVidia and getting Gamma correction working under windows
[07:45] <Red_Herring> well... i doubt its a problem under linux
[07:46] <howcomes> Its a Geforce 2 with 128mb of memory technically
[07:46] <howcomes> from what i hear :P
[07:46] <Red_Herring> cuz nvidia is just cool like that
[07:46] <Red_Herring> well
[07:46] <Red_Herring> its well past midnight here
[07:46] <howcomes> 1:47am here :D
[07:46] <Red_Herring> and i got stuff i need ta do tomorrow
[07:46] <Red_Herring> east coast?
[07:47] <howcomes> Ontariao, Canada
[07:47] <howcomes> *Ontario
[07:47] <Red_Herring> nice place
[07:47] <Red_Herring> where in ontario?
[07:47] <ilba7r> howcomes, you are my neighboor than
[07:47] <howcomes> GTA
[07:47] <Red_Herring> ok... grand theft auto?
[07:47] <howcomes> Greater Toronto Area
[07:47] <Red_Herring> oooooo
[07:47] <Red_Herring> i was in toronto
[07:47] <Red_Herring> its a nice city
[07:48] <Red_Herring> with a big pointy tower
[07:48] <howcomes> i was actually gonna go to Toronto tonite, but im not too big on Jungle/DrumNBass so i passed :P
[07:48] <Red_Herring> if ya wanna get technical, i live in the GCA
[07:48] <howcomes> Greater California Area ?
[07:48] <Red_Herring> no
[07:48] <Red_Herring> chicago
[07:48] <howcomes> kewl
[07:48] <Red_Herring> yeah
[07:48] <Red_Herring> its boring as hell out here
[07:49] <howcomes> likewise
[07:49] <Red_Herring> cant wait until i can get out of here
[07:49] <howcomes> likewise
[07:49] <howcomes> heh
[07:49] <Red_Herring> and man am i pissed at my freind right now
[07:49] <ilba7r> howcomes, but this is a really warm winter. can not believe we are in feb
[07:49] <howcomes> i gotta get my two diploma courses finished and then im planning on taking my CompTIA A+ Cert then MCSE possibly
[07:49] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: well... get used to it
[07:50] <ilba7r> global warm
[07:50] <howcomes> depending on how much linux grows on me in that time i might try to get a RHCE
[07:50] <Red_Herring> yup
[07:50] <Red_Herring> you can thank us
[07:50] <Red_Herring> in the good old us of A
[07:50] <Red_Herring> yell
[07:50] <Red_Herring> we caused it
[07:51] <Red_Herring> i disclude myself from this
[07:51] <Red_Herring> because im speaking in general of this country
[07:51] <Red_Herring> but its rediculous
[07:51] <Red_Herring> Fear and ignorance
[07:51] <Red_Herring> all around
[07:51] <howcomes> ooooh bush quote coming
[07:51] <Red_Herring>  its so rampant, it itself is scary
[07:51] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, divide and rule but this is for offtopic ;)
[07:51] <Red_Herring> no, no bush quote
[07:51] <howcomes> "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
[07:52] <Red_Herring> he he he
[07:52] <Red_Herring> well, ilba7r, i need sleep
[07:52] <Red_Herring> so this wont be wrong
[07:52] <ilba7r> :)
[07:52] <Red_Herring> this is just an excellent way for me to find out what people outside the US think of us
[07:52] <Red_Herring> because here in chicago
[07:53] <Red_Herring> we are told the world loves us
[07:53] <Red_Herring> and its unimportant what happens there
[07:53] <howcomes> I think bush is a moron - and there's some issues with the gov't in the states
[07:53] <Red_Herring> but i know thats bullshit
[07:53] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, truely no one hate you as a people. This does not go to the gov. and your foreign pol
[07:53] <howcomes> but as for the citizens i dont mind them :P
[07:53] <Red_Herring> howcomes: fear and ignorance
[07:54] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: uhh, i think you would change your mind if you came here
[07:54] <Red_Herring> we are mindless!
[07:54] <Red_Herring> if the gov't says give us more money
[07:54] <Red_Herring> we blindly obey
[07:54] <Red_Herring> because of fear
[07:54] <ilba7r> i have a couple of american friends they are real ambasadors to your count
[07:54] <Red_Herring> and we dont know better
[07:54] <howcomes> "America is addicted to oil"
[07:54] <howcomes> WRONG Bush is addicted to oil :P
[07:54] <Red_Herring> no
[07:54] <Red_Herring> bush is addicted to money
[07:54] <Red_Herring> and he gets it with oil
[07:55] <Red_Herring> :-P
[07:55] <kkathman> I'd just like for someone to tell me an alternative :)
[07:55] <howcomes> and oil = a metric fuck ton of money :P
[07:55] <Red_Herring> kkathman: hydrogen fuel cells
[07:55] <Red_Herring> the problem is
[07:55] <kkathman> forget it..too expensive and unsafe
[07:55] <Red_Herring> no INNOVATION can happen until bush allows it
[07:55] <kkathman> wind - good but you need WAY to much land for even a modest dent
[07:55] <Red_Herring> because there is no NEED for people to switch
[07:55] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, they are leaning twoard neucl. can you believe how stupid that is
[07:56] <kkathman> solar...not even close...again lots of land and you cant manufacture the cells quick enough
[07:56] <Red_Herring> i have NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that if there was enough of a reward
[07:56] <Red_Herring> SOMEONE would come up with a new source
[07:56] <kkathman> so the only real alternative worldwide is oil :)
[07:56] <Red_Herring> and if there was MOTIVATION:
[07:56] <Red_Herring> people would refine techniques
[07:56] <kkathman> the best is fusion...and thats being researched the most
[07:57] <Red_Herring> so we could make then as efficient as oil
[07:57] <kkathman> currently underway at LLNL
[07:57] <Red_Herring> oooo, the new CERN atom smasher!
[07:57] <kkathman> no
[07:57] <Red_Herring> i really wonder what we will learn from it
[07:57] <Red_Herring> no
[07:57] <Red_Herring> that was random
[07:57] <Red_Herring> sorry
[07:57] <StR> does anyone have problems  geting files from MSN in kopete?
[07:57] <kkathman> the National Ignition Facility
[07:57] <Red_Herring> never heard of it
[07:58] <kkathman> I know it well :)
[07:58] <Red_Herring> there are some interesting breakthroughs in it
[07:58] <howcomes> StR try aMSN
[07:58] <Red_Herring> but i belive WITHOUT A DOUBT that if there was enough of a will, mankind would find a way
[07:58] <StR> howcomes: no... I like kopete...
[07:58] <kkathman> google it ..its not exactly covert...tho I think there are military uses :)
[07:58] <howcomes> k
[07:58] <howcomes> yea Kopete is faster
[07:59] <Red_Herring> Str: i like windows games...
[07:59] <howcomes> but i like aMSN's look/feel better
[07:59] <Red_Herring> but i haveta use windows to play them
[07:59] <andred> StR: files are 0 bytes?
[07:59] <StR> andred: right!
[07:59] <andred> this bug is known: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113525
[07:59] <StR> andred: do you have the same problem?
[08:00] <StR> andred: but not solved?
[08:00] <andred> i don't use msn :)
[08:00] <howcomes> StR make sure you chown the folder that is trying to be written to
[08:00] <andred> not solved yet :(
[08:00] <StR> andred:  :(
[08:00] <StR> do you have the same problem?
[08:01] <andred> no, i don't use msn
[08:01] <Red_Herring> kkathman: i dont know, its just bush is not at all pushing this kind of development, and insisting there is no problem, so no one is bothering to develop an alternate, because there is no funding for something that "has no point, because we already have solved the energy problem, with oil"
[08:01] <StR> andred: should anyone get the same problem in kopete?
[08:01] <Red_Herring> ya cant win
[08:01] <Red_Herring> allright
[08:01] <Red_Herring> its 1:00 here
[08:01] <Red_Herring> logical time to leave
[08:01] <kkathman> Red_Herring:  its easy to criticize and blame "the President"... thats kewl, but where's the alternative
[08:02] <Red_Herring> i just told you
[08:02] <andred> StR: the bug occurs if the other contact uses msn 7.5 IIRC. you can read more in the bug report
[08:02] <Red_Herring> (01:00:50 am) Red_Herring:  kkathman: i dont know, its just bush is not at all pushing this kind of development, and insisting there is no problem, so no one is bothering to develop an alternate, because there is no funding for something that "has no point, because we already have solved the energy problem, with oil"
[08:02] <kkathman> I dont see anyone making any reasonable ones
[08:02] <Red_Herring> exactly
[08:02] <Red_Herring> because no one will fund you for it
[08:02] <kkathman> I dont think the oil companies are gonna look hard :)
[08:02] <kkathman> hehe
[08:02] <Red_Herring> because no one sees it as a problem yet
[08:02] <howcomes> Whats a good Pink Floyd song other then Another Brick in the Wall - i wanna listen before this torrent is done - so im going to set it to Download First :P
[08:03] <Red_Herring> howcomes: money
[08:03] <Red_Herring> time
[08:03] <Red_Herring> sheep
[08:03] <Red_Herring> comfortably numb
[08:03] <ilba7r> kkathman, there was an mit prof who developed a hybrid car that run for 60 miles on elect. before switching to gas. no one looked into his work (1991) till toyota started the same line of work. This was from wsj
[08:03] <kkathman> sure I agree :)
[08:03] <Red_Herring> brain damage
[08:03] <ilba7r> kkathman, let me check if i can relocate the article for you
[08:03] <kkathman> and yanno, GM and Ford are paying for it :)
[08:03] <Red_Herring> howcomes: pigs
[08:03] <Red_Herring> fearless
[08:03] <kkathman> serves them right
[08:03] <howcomes> alrite , i got enough for now :P
[08:03] <kkathman> I got no problems with open market at all :)
[08:03] <Red_Herring> oh: wish you were here
[08:04] <Red_Herring> howcomes: those are the best of pink floyd
[08:04] <Red_Herring> and the funnyist, after you have heard all of that: bike
[08:04] <Red_Herring> allright, i REALLY should sleep now
[08:18] <cenobyte> i need help
[08:19] <cenobyte> how do i get kubuntu to recognize my primary slave hdd
[08:20] <howcomes> hmm
[08:20] <howcomes> are you in kubuntu right now ?
[08:20] <cenobyte> yes
[08:22] <howcomes> Are you dual booting windows ?
[08:22] <cenobyte> nope
[08:23] <howcomes> Is your Kubuntu drive set as Primary or Slave ?
[08:23] <cenobyte> it is set as primary
[08:23] <howcomes> is the Slave hdd on Cable select or actual Slave ?
[08:24] <cenobyte> its on actual slave
[08:24] <howcomes> hmm
[08:24] <howcomes> try putting it on Cable select and see if that makes any difference would be my first suggestion
[08:24] <cenobyte> ok any other suggestions
[08:24] <cenobyte> do i have to partition it
[08:25] <sampan> cenobyte do you mean you can't mount it? or it's really not detected at all?
[08:25] <howcomes> oh its not partitioned/formated yet ?
[08:25] <howcomes> well shit, run fdisk
[08:25] <cenobyte> well i partitioned it and it installed kubuntu on  it
[08:25] <cenobyte> can i partition it without installing kubuntu
[08:25] <howcomes> yes
[08:25] <howcomes> with fdisk
[08:26] <cenobyte> in command line right
[08:26] <howcomes> yes
[08:26] <howcomes> do you know which /dev/hdxx it is ?
[08:26] <cenobyte> ok ill try that then ill come back if i cant get it to work
[08:26] <howcomes> kk
[08:26] <cenobyte> its /dev/hdb
[08:26] <howcomes> well you can do it from console i would think
[08:26] <cenobyte> k thanks for the tips ill be back
[08:26] <howcomes> seeing as if its not partitioned correctly that you wouldnt be booted into it
[08:27] <howcomes> so you can run it under KDE i would think
[08:27] <cenobyte> k
[08:27] <cenobyte> ill be back soon
[08:27] <howcomes> kk
[08:30] <howcomes> http://www.bash.org/?610089
[08:32] <hatake_kakashi> !nvidia
[08:32] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:33] <howcomes> http://www.bash.org/?608242
[08:35] <howcomes> http://www.logged.org/?1956
[08:36] <cenobyte> what do i do in fdisk
[08:36] <cenobyte> im not quiet sure how to format the slave
[08:37] <howcomes> ok
[08:38] <marten> I tried wpasupplicant. but had no luck. Is it a Driver problem I have to solve? How can it be done? (WLAN with WPA on a Pro/Wireless 2200bg)
[08:38] <howcomes> sudo fdisk /dev/hdxx whatever yours is
[08:38] <cenobyte> ok
[08:38] <howcomes> then press n - and then i would assume p
[08:39] <cenobyte> ok
[08:40] <cenobyte> now what
[08:40] <cenobyte> 1-4
[08:40] <cenobyte> do i choose 1
[08:42] <cenobyte> Partition 1 is already defined.  Delete it before re-adding it.
[08:42] <cenobyte> how do i delete it
[08:42] <howcomes> k try partition 2
[08:42] <cenobyte> n
[08:42] <howcomes> Partition 1 is probably your primary
[08:42] <cenobyte> no free sectors available
[08:42] <howcomes> hmm
[08:42] <howcomes> dont delete any partitions
[08:42] <cenobyte> k
[08:42] <howcomes> that would be a bad idea
[08:43] <cenobyte> ok
[08:43] <howcomes> your trying to create a new partition out of what im assuming is an unpartitioned drive
[08:43] <howcomes> but from the sounds of it you may have partitioned it - did you say you had installed Kubuntu on this drive ? (Slave)
[08:43] <cenobyte> the drive got partitioned when i tryed tryed partitioning it with the kubuntu install cd
[08:44] <howcomes> i see
[08:44] <cenobyte> yes
[08:44] <howcomes> in that case the partition should be already formatted and partitioned if you went thru with the install
[08:46] <cenobyte> but it is not showing up in kubuntu
[08:46] <cenobyte> i wanna dump all of my backed up music on the slave
[08:46] <howcomes> it sounds like it might just need to be mounted
[08:46] <cenobyte> how do i do that
[08:46] <howcomes> do this, go into fdisk again and press p to print your partition table (echo to screen)
[08:47] <howcomes> put that at pastebin.com - followed by the output of a cat /etc/fstab
[08:47] <howcomes> i should be able to help you better if i have that
[08:47] <cenobyte> k
[08:47] <cenobyte> Disk /dev/hdb: 40.0 GB, 40027029504 bytes
[08:47] <cenobyte> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4866 cylinders
[08:47] <cenobyte> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[08:47] <cenobyte>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[08:47] <cenobyte> /dev/hdb1               1        4866    39086113+  83  Linux
[08:48] <howcomes> WWW.PASTEBIN.COM
[08:48] <cenobyte> oops
[08:48] <cenobyte> k
[08:49] <howcomes> now paste the URL here
[08:49] <cenobyte> http://pastebin.com/538133
[08:50] <howcomes> thats not all of it :P
[08:50] <cenobyte> thats what i pasted
[08:50] <howcomes> do a cat /etc/fstab and put that at pastebin as well
[08:50] <cenobyte> thats what came up after i pressed p
[08:51] <howcomes> k try this
[08:51] <howcomes> mount /dev/hdb1
[08:52] <cenobyte> http://pastebin.com/538137
[08:52] <cenobyte> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:52] <howcomes> hmmmm
[08:54] <howcomes> mount -t etx3 /dev/hdb1 /NEW
[08:54] <howcomes> err
[08:54] <howcomes> mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /NEW
[08:55] <cenobyte> http://pastebin.com/538139
[08:57] <cenobyte> what now
[08:58] <howcomes> did it work ?
[08:58] <cenobyte> no
[08:58] <howcomes> (A)bort, (R)etry, (B)eer
[08:59] <cenobyte> ?
[09:00] <cenobyte> mount: mount point /NEW does not exist
[09:00] <howcomes> hmm
[09:01] <howcomes> look at this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120324&highlight=mount+slave
[09:01] <owner> ?
[09:01] <howcomes> owner, im trying to help cenobyte partition/mount his slave hdd
[09:01] <owner> cool
[09:01] <howcomes> im not being very successful
[09:01] <howcomes> it appears as if the drive is partitioned but not mounted
[09:02] <cenobyte> i think so
[09:02] <EIghtiesK> why does my kubuntu have errors on the partition everytime i restart.?
[09:02] <howcomes> Elghtiesk , did you run fsck ?
[09:02] <EIghtiesK> run what?
[09:03] <owner> eighties are you using ext3 or reiserfs
[09:03] <EIghtiesK> ext2
[09:03] <[Vampis] > Morning ppl :)
[09:04] <EIghtiesK> owner: ext2 is supported by windows. so i can veiw my partiton and write to it within windows.
[09:04] <howcomes> cenobyte a better thread perhaps -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=119351&highlight=mount+slave
[09:04] <owner> oh yea
[09:04] <owner> thats right
[09:05] <EIghtiesK> ??
[09:05] <howcomes> cenobyte i think that last thread will solve your problem
[09:06] <EIghtiesK> owner: how are you?
[09:07] <owner> im good and you?
[09:07] <cenobyte> nothing in that topic is helpful
[09:07] <howcomes> ceno did you check the last one i posted
[09:07] <EIghtiesK> owner: i think i may try out fedora core again.
[09:07] <owner> really y?
[09:08] <EIghtiesK> owner: kubuntu need a reinstall ne way and i might as well check out core4....
[09:08] <EIghtiesK> i mess with my linux till i get them right
[09:08] <owner> ive heard good things about arch linux
[09:08] <EIghtiesK> i wanna install debian and try but
[09:08] <EIghtiesK> i can't seem to get the install to work.
[09:09] <owner> yes its supposed to be harder
[09:09] <owner> the debian install
[09:09] <owner> is it debian stable?
[09:09] <EIghtiesK> ya
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> actually, I looked at the latest debian installation interface, its very similar to that of ubuntu/kubuntus
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> s/kubuntus/kubuntu
[09:09] <owner> its older than ubuntu i think
[09:09] <owner> debian stable
[09:10] <owner> uses xfree86
[09:10] <robinl1> is kubuntu better than SuSe?
[09:10] <hatake_kakashi> owner: you can get unstable packages, just that it is not recommended for servers
[09:10] <robinl1> i mean
[09:10] <robinl1> compared to suse, whats different?
[09:10] <EIghtiesK> robinl1: all opinion.
[09:10] <owner> hatake but ubuntu is so much nicer than debian since its more updated
[09:10] <owner> for desktops at least
[09:10] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: SuSE uses rpm, kubuntu based off debian uses deb
[09:10] <owner> i want to try supersuse
[09:10] <robinl1> ok
[09:10] <owner> or arch linux
[09:10] <owner> but i will dual boot
[09:11] <robinl1> well...
[09:11] <robinl1> where to get kubuntu?
[09:11] <hatake_kakashi> owner: hence its not that desktop friendly unless if you really want to try it out.. and that's what I'm thinking of one day
[09:11] <[Vampis] > Hm, I'm thinking of trying SUSE
[09:11] <robinl1> i already HAVE an ubuntu disk
[09:11] <EIghtiesK> debian is older u say meaning not as many feat.?
[09:11] <[Vampis] > !kubuntu
[09:11] <ubotu> I guess kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[09:11] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: website
[09:11] <[Vampis] > There u can get it
[09:11] <EIghtiesK> i can'
[09:11] <EIghtiesK> can't get suse to work for me
[09:11] <robinl1> already have an ubuntu disk, installation with that possible?
[09:11] <[Vampis] > Wich SUSE version is the free one ?
[09:11] <robinl1> also, i want to keep my windows install
[09:11] <owner> yes robin
[09:11] <EIghtiesK> open suse.org
[09:11] <robinl1> owner: ok how?
[09:11] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: that makes it ubuntu unless if you get the kde packages, that's extra :p
[09:12] <owner> you just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:12] <EIghtiesK> owner: do you have an IM?
[09:12] <robinl1> but then you keep all the GNOME stuff
[09:12] <owner> i dont think i can because im not registered
[09:12] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: you can dual boot, windows first installed, and let linux do its grub magic :p
[09:12] <cenobyte> this is way over my head
[09:12] <cenobyte> mepis was so much easier
[09:12] <EIghtiesK> owner: i mean like aim or yahoo.
[09:12] <cenobyte> doesnt kubuntu have qtparted
[09:12] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: or you can remove it manually.. or you might as well get kubuntu :P
[09:12] <robinl1> i will go get kubuntu x
[09:12] <robinl1> D] 
[09:12] <robinl1> wtf
[09:12] <robinl1> damn smiley
[09:12] <robinl1> :o
[09:12] <[Vampis] > EIghtiesK: eeh ?
[09:13] <[Vampis] > http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/
[09:13] <owner> yahoo id lie.detector
[09:13] <EIghtiesK> huh?
[09:13] <[Vampis] > suse.org isnt a real page
[09:13] <owner> thats my yahoo id
[09:14] <EIghtiesK> opensuse.org
[09:15] <robinl1> HARDCORE FOR BREAKFAST
[09:15] <robinl1> xD
[09:15] <[Vampis] > 5 cd's holy sh*t
[09:16] <EIghtiesK> ya
[09:17] <[Vampis] > *Sticking to Kubuntu* :P
[09:17] <cenobyte> its not even showing up in gparted
[09:17] <[Vampis] > I'm trying to convert my fatherinlaw to use linux instead of winblows ;)
[09:17] <cenobyte> can i just format the entire partition on the slave and start fresh
[09:19] <EIghtiesK> theres no driver for my all in one in windows.
[09:19] <EIghtiesK> i mean in linux
[09:19] <EIghtiesK> thats why i still have windows.
[09:19] <hatake_kakashi> drivers == modules :P
[09:20] <[Vampis] > ;)
[09:20] <hatake_kakashi> unless you specifically compiled it into kernel, otherwise its there as a module
[09:40] <howcomes> Is Konversation multi-server ?
[09:41] <[Vampis] > LOL
[09:41] <[Vampis] > i'm watching "The IT Crowd" now, damn good :D
[09:50] <robinl1> does anybody know how to get voice recognition?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> howcomes: yep
[10:30] <egonw> anyone who knows the status of the broken kword build? last thing I heard was that new packages were being build... but cannot apt-get any updates yet...
[10:35] <Riddell> egonw: broken?
[10:35] <Riddell> I can't make new packages until I get access to a fast i386 machine with sudo
[10:35] <egonw> well... indeed, broken is a bug word...
[10:36] <egonw> --enable-final thingy...
[10:37] <egonw> Riddell: can't give you access to such a machine, but I could make debs...
[10:37] <egonw> but then there's the thing of trust...
[10:37] <Riddell> yeah, I can't accept debs from other people
[10:37] <egonw> sure, I understand...
[10:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you need me to build the kword packages?  this is an i386 machine...
[10:43] <egonw> Hobbsee: apparently no i386 debs have been made yet for the KOffice 1.5 beta which work around the red-blue color thingy..
[10:44] <Hobbsee> right
[10:55] <_robin> hi, how to make kaffeine play video files like MPEG and WMV?
[10:58] <_robin> hi, how to make kaffeine play video files like MPEG and WMV?
[11:00] <Riddell> !restricted
[11:00] <ubotu> restricted is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:03] <_robin> !FreeFormats
[11:03] <ubotu> hmm... freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[11:05] <_robin> Riddell: but that's about Ubuntu and Totem, not about Kaffeine
[11:05] <Riddell> they all use gstreamer
[11:05] <Riddell> or use the kaffine-xine plugin
[11:05] <Riddell> feel free to edit the wiki page to make it more kubuntu friendly
[11:06] <hatake_kakashi> anyone tried transferring data onto their USB caddy? usb1.1
[11:13] <_robin> damn, kaffeine still gives weird errors
[11:23] <_robin> damn, kaffeine still gives weird errors
[11:23] <_robin> smtp.xs4all.nl
[11:23] <_robin> errr
[11:23] <_robin> gstffmpegdec.c(527): gst_ffmpegdec_get_buffer: /internal_thread/decoder/ffdec_mpeg44:
[11:23] <_robin> Failed to link ffmpeg decoder to next element
[11:25] <Riddell> _robin: use the xine plugin then
[11:29] <_robin> how?
[11:30] <_robin> Riddell: how?
[11:30] <egonw> download the package kaffeine-xine
[11:30] <Riddell> settings->plugin->kaffine  or something
[11:31] <egonw> settings->player engine
[11:31] <egonw> but that actually does not list xine
[11:33] <egonw> settings->player engine->kaffeine == kaffeine-xine
[11:43] <mae> ls
[11:46] <[Vampis] > are the win32 codecs suppose to be placed in /usr/lib/w32codec or /usr/bin/win32codec ?
[11:48] <nalioth> [Vampis] : mplayerhq.hu will tell you where to put them
[11:48] <nalioth> [Vampis] : you should use the deb
[11:48] <nalioth> [Vampis] : and not worry about such things
[11:56] <_robin> okay, that works
[11:57] <[Vampis] >  nalioth , thx
[11:57] <nalioth> [Vampis] : np
[11:58] <[Vampis] > ppl are nicer here then in the Swe channel :P
[11:58] <nalioth> "Swe channel" ?
[11:58] <[Vampis] > swedish channel
[11:59] <nalioth> ah
[12:05] <Phazeman> does anybody know how to change the KDE key bindings ? like ALT+LeftClick ? right now it moves the window but i need this exact combination for something else.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: in kcontrol...
[12:06] <Hobbsee> search for shortcuts
[12:06] <Hobbsee> think my brain just died - keyboard shortcuts is the one you want
[12:07] <Phazeman> yeah :)
[12:07] <Phazeman> thanks found it
[12:52] <[Vampis] > :)
[12:59] <weedar> Just installed apache2, but it points to /var/www and I want it to use /var/www/apache2-default as the DocumentRoot, any tips?
[01:00] <ubijtsa> weedar: there is a line in the default vhost conf file you can comment out
[01:00] <weedar> I've tried adding DocumentRoot "/var/www/apache2-default" to the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and then restart apache, but alas it doesn't work
[01:00] <ubijtsa> in /etc/apache2 you have a dir, hosts-available something
[01:01] <ubijtsa> there is a file 'default' in there, and there is a comment just above the line you need to uncomment
[01:02] <weedar> Excellent ubijtsa, thanks!
[01:02] <weedar> The people in #apache didn't know what I did wrong, and #ubuntu wasn't helpful at all as usual. For some reason this channel is the creme de la creme of helpful people :)
[01:02] <ubijtsa> weedar: hehehe
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hi again weedar
[01:03] <weedar> Good morning Hobbsee :)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> evening :_
[01:03] <Hobbsee> *:)
[01:03] <ubijtsa> I've recently tinkered extensively with apache2 recently, hence why I knew off the bat
[01:03] <ubijtsa> -recently
[01:04] <weedar> I actually should have known that myself, I seem to recall having to fix the exact same thing on a debian machine 6 months ago
[01:04] <ubijtsa> i've gone the mod_perl2 path, so hacking up a site in perl
[01:04] <ubijtsa> trying to get my head around the Template Toolkit a.t.m.
[01:05] <weedar> I have a php-class in school this semester, so I'm basically just doing it for that. But I plan on creating a movieDB-clone in php and put it on my debian machine
[01:05] <ubijtsa> using php4 or php5 ?
[01:05] <weedar> I installed php5, although the course itself only requires php4
[01:06] <ubijtsa> might as well get experience on php5 if not mission critical :)
[01:06] <weedar> I hope I got it right, followed a guide from the ubuntu-site..Guess I'll soon find out :)
[01:06] <ubijtsa> hehe
[01:06] <weedar> Yeah I'm thinking there's no reason post-poning getting to know php5
[01:06] <weedar> I didn't install mysql5, though..Not sure if that was a dumb move
[01:07] <ubijtsa> working even
[01:08] <ubijtsa> was extra awkward when I decided I wanted the DVI-D port to be the primary screen
[01:08] <weedar> What was the solution?
[01:09] <ubijtsa> there is an option to the i810 module that allows you to flip PIPEA and PIPEB around..
[01:09] <ubijtsa> then you have to tell it that you have a DFP on PIPEA and a CRT on PIPEB
[01:10] <ubijtsa> and you _have_ to use CLONE mode even if you want Xinerama, or the gfx card locks up
[01:10] <[Vampis] > hm, it's to bad u can only use one kweatherapplet @ the time
[01:10] <ubijtsa> ruddy intel crappo gfx cards..
[01:10] <weedar> Heh, my graphics adapter is buggy, last time I tried to use the nvidia-drivers my computer froze so I can't use tv-out or 3d at all :/
[01:11] <ubijtsa> which GF card is it?
[01:11] <Phazeman> hi people. i've been using firefox without noticing i have a very old (1.0.7) version of it !!! and i can't see apt-cach finds a 1.5.1 version in my sources. can someone please suggest ?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[01:11] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:11] <weedar> uhm, Gainward Geforce
[01:11] <ilba7r> ubijtsa, setting dual monitor turned out to be a breezy on my ati
[01:11] <Phazeman> thanks Hobbsee !!!
[01:12] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:12] <ubijtsa> ilba7r: I didn't have a proper DVI-D cable at install time..
[01:12] <ilba7r> ubijtsa, i had to set it later
[01:13] <weedar> I think the reason it freezes is because the card is broken somehow. I had to replace the previous one because the tv-out function was broken (tried it in windows also), it's a cheap card
[01:13] <ubijtsa> the DVI-D port on the 82915G in the GX280 is digital only, converter to 15-pin VGA does not work
[01:13] <weedar> I'd go back and replace it again if I had the receipt, but..
[01:13] <ubijtsa> weedar: I have a GF5950U that I will install later :)
[01:14] <weedar> So that means I can have your old graphics adapter? ;P
[01:14] <ubijtsa> I will put up a miniHOWTO for the GX280 once I get my site working..
[01:14] <ubijtsa> weedar: the 'old' one I am using now is a Radeon 9200SE
[01:15] <ubijtsa> alright, but nothing fancy..
[01:15] <weedar> Oh I could take that off your hands, I'd even do it for free
[01:15] <ubijtsa> *looool*
[01:15] <ubijtsa> I bet you could :)
[01:16] <weedar> Yeah I plan to set up lots of howtos when I get my site up, basically explaining how to get all the hardware I have working in kubuntu. Not only for other people, but for myself in case I have to reinstall :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa: why not put it on the wiki, or on ubuntuforums.org in the howto section?
[01:16] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee: might well do that :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> be more useful that way
[01:16] <ubijtsa> aye
[01:16] <robotgeek> weedar: yeah, put it on the wiki :)
[01:16] <ubijtsa> anyone else running kde351 ?
[01:17] <weedar> For example, my logitech desktop microhpone - all it needs to get working is to "modprobe audio" and up it goes, but it's not actually easy to find out that is the right thing to do
[01:17] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa: yeah
[01:17] <Hobbsee> on dapper but
[01:17] <robotgeek> weedar: you can add it to an existing category as a tip (sound issues)
[01:17] <weedar> robotgeek, hm.. I might actually do that :)
[01:17] <ubijtsa> found any problems with the xkb settings in System Settings ?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> the whatsit in system settings?
[01:18] <ubijtsa> where you can set up keyboard layouts..
[01:19] <weedar> robotgeek, for example on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation under Sound & Misc?
[01:19] <ubijtsa> if you want us and uk layout and be able to flip between them
[01:19] <Hobbsee> not tried it
[01:20] <weedar> The main thing keeping me from adding to the wiki is I don't want to mess it up
[01:20] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:20] <ubijtsa> System Settings, under System Administration, Regional & Accessability
[01:20] <robotgeek> weedar: knock yourself out, we can always revert back if you mess up
[01:20] <Hobbsee> yep, found that - not sure about *problems* wiht it
[01:20] <che_benway> hi all. trying to set up my digicam on kubuntu. any idea where i can find drivers? JVC camera
[01:20] <ubijtsa> If you select Keyboard Layout
[01:20] <robotgeek> che_benway: doesn't plugging it in not work?
[01:21] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: is there any particular reason why firefox 1.5.X won't be in the repositories ? is it the license ?
[01:21] <ubijtsa> then tick Enable keyboard layouts
[01:21] <robotgeek> Phazeman: on dapper, yes
[01:21] <Phazeman> ahhh
[01:21] <Phazeman> ok
[01:21] <ubijtsa> I get no choises at all
[01:21] <Phazeman> will wait for dapper then :)
[01:21] <Phazeman> thanks robotgeek
[01:21] <robotgeek> Phazeman: it's just too much work for breezy
[01:21] <Phazeman> GREAT DISTRO !!!!
[01:21] <robotgeek> Phazeman, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:21] <robotgeek> you can still used firefox 1.5 :)
[01:21] <Phazeman> yeah figured it out already
[01:21] <che_benway> #robotgeek no
[01:22] <ubijtsa> in kde 350 I could set up dvorak as per normal, and 'ru' as my alternative
[01:22] <che_benway> robotgeek: does not recognise the camera
[01:22] <ubijtsa> in kde 351, no go, have to use the command line to set it
[01:22] <allan> Kubuntu doesn't seem to have kdegraphics and kdevelop packaged right; they won't update to 3.5.1. Why is this happening and how can I fix it?
[01:22] <robotgeek> che_benway: hmm, okay. i would suggest you do a "dmesg | tail" and see if it tells you more
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: they're thinking of a backport for breezy, but they have trouble with ubuntu-desktop depending on it, etc - there's a thread at ubuntuforums.org about it, in backports section.  It's already in dapper - seems to be ok, although it gets upgraded a lot
[01:23] <ubijtsa> allan: maybe dependencies prevents them from updating
[01:23] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: i see
[01:23] <allan> ubijtsa: the error messages look like that, but I have no idea
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa: paste the error messages?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[01:24] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:24] <allan> kdegraphics:
[01:24] <allan>   Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins (>=4:3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1.4 is to be installed
[01:25] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee: I get no errors, just a qwerty layout if I enable keyboard layouts in KDE..
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:25] <Phazeman> damn i love this distro :) it just works :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know why allan is getting this problem?
[01:25] <ubijtsa> my xorg.conf is set to dvorak
[01:26] <allan> kdegraphics-kfile-plugins:
[01:26] <allan>  Depends: libpoppler0c2-qt but it is not going to be installed
[01:26] <ubijtsa> aah, that rings a bell, I got stuck on libpoppler as well and gave up..
[01:26] <allan> libpoppler0c2-qt isn't in my package list
[01:27] <allan> kdevelop3-data:
[01:27] <allan>   Depends: kdevelop3 (=4:3.3.1-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.3.0-0ubuntu0breezy1 is to be installed
[01:28] <allan> kdevelop3 is in there, but not for updating
[01:28] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: is thunderbird under same solution as firefox ? or the newest already in breezy ?
[01:28] <Riddell> allan: what platform, what kubuntu version, what archive
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: same solution, tb1.5 is in dapper as well
[01:29] <ubijtsa> Riddell: I sent you a mail, apologies if you are not the correct recipient..
[01:29] <allan> Platform: Huh? Version: I have Ubuntu; later I installed KDE. I think Breezy. Archive: Huh?
[01:29] <Phazeman> !thunderbird
[01:29] <ubotu> I heard thunderbird is a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[01:29] <Hobbsee> wiki.ubuntu.com/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[01:29] <trollig> Phazeman: but tb1.5 has still some unmet dependencies like enigmail
[01:29] <ubijtsa> allan: platform, is it i386, amd64 or ppc?
[01:29] <allan> amd64
[01:30] <trollig> Phazeman: at least on amd64
[01:30] <Phazeman> so you suggest using kmail for a while trollig  ? i'm kinda used to thunderbird
[01:30] <Phazeman> ahh.. i;m on i386
[01:30] <ubijtsa> allan: archive, are you using the kde351 or kde35 repository of kubuntu.org ?
[01:30] <Phazeman> i will try
[01:30] <allan> both
[01:30] <Riddell> allan: where are you trying to install packages from?
[01:30] <allan> synaptic
[01:30] <ubijtsa> I can concur that same problems are there for i386
[01:30] <trollig> Phazeman: no, not suggesting I use tb1.0.7
[01:31] <trollig> and kmail
[01:31] <allan> I use the kubuntu repositories
[01:31] <trollig> depending on what machine I am
[01:31] <trollig> I love imap :-)
[01:32] <Riddell> allan: which repository?
[01:32] <Riddell> allan: do you have universe enabled?
[01:32] <allan> yes
[01:32] <allan> For the repository; both 3.5 and 3.5.1 are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <Hobbsee> trollig: ah yes, remind me why i use dapper again lol?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> trollig: you mean you cant have 1.0.7 and 1.5 installed at the same time?  i thought you could, and modify the symlink
[01:33] <Hobbsee> so you dont get the dependancy issues
[01:33] <ubijtsa> Riddell / allan: I see same problems, but on i386.
[01:34] <trollig> Hobbsee: I don't have that much time :-) I stick with what's working
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:34] <Hobbsee> dapper works - most of the time - to varying degrees :P
[01:34] <Hobbsee> sometimes it really fubars though...
[01:35] <trollig> it works mostly fine. I just have to get used to that new network config stuff
[01:35] <allan> Where's another room I could find help in? I don't think I'm getting far here.
[01:35] <ilba7r> alan ubuntu
[01:35] <Hobbsee> you could try #ubuntu, which has more people - but they might refer you back to here
[01:36] <[Vampis] > kik
[01:36] <[Vampis] > lol *
[01:36] <trollig> That's a bit too much _just working out of the box_ for my tast already
[01:36] <allan> Bye
[01:36] <[Vampis] > bureaucracy
[01:36] <[Vampis] > ;)
[01:36] <ubijtsa> allan: please be patient..
[01:36] <tsdgeos> hi, can kubuntu be installed from the internet?
[01:36] <Riddell> allan: I'll investigate it
[01:37] <allan> I'm still here, just also on #ubuntu and not viewing things here as much
[01:37] <tsdgeos> that is, with a semi-broken kubuntu CD
[01:37] <Riddell> tsdgeos: not really no
[01:37] <ubijtsa> tsdgeos: you mean netboot?
[01:37] <Riddell> semi broken CD?
[01:37] <trollig> only a third of it is missing ? lol
[01:37] <tsdgeos> Riddell: i toasted 2 cd and they fail self integrity checking at the same file
[01:38] <tsdgeos> maybe the iso i got is corrupted
[01:38] <tsdgeos> it can "boot" to install, i can partition, but dies on installing
[01:38] <ubijtsa> tsdgeos: try checking the MD5 sum of the ISO ?
[01:38] <darth_suicune> tsdgeos, the fail is at debootstrap / initrd?
[01:38] <tsdgeos> so if it could grab the packages from the internet that would be nice
[01:39] <tsdgeos> darth_suicune: the fail is when installing the packages
[01:39] <darth_suicune> yeah, but you saw what package failed?
[01:39] <tsdgeos> ubijtsa: yeah i should do that but that sucks as it is on a hd that is not connected to any machine at the moment
[01:39] <tsdgeos> zlib
[01:40] <darth_suicune> i had problems installing kubuntu from some cds in a package called debootstrap (or initrd)
[01:40] <darth_suicune> ok
[01:40] <ubijtsa> tsdgeos: ah, forget that suggestion then
[01:41] <Phazeman> trollig: it works just fine i mean thunderbird)
[01:41] <ilba7r> ok updated to ff 1.5.0.1 hope this fix some of the seg faults i used to get
[01:41] <Riddell> tsdgeos: check md5sums?
[01:41] <trollig> on amd64 dapper tb1.5 with enigmail?
[01:42] <tsdgeos> Riddell: i'm trying to do, but the hd with the iso is out of the machine atm, and also bittorrent should not have that kind of problems :-/
[01:42] <[Vampis] > reboot
[01:45] <Phazeman> trollig: i'm on i386 and thunderbird works just fine
[01:45] <Riddell> oh, allan left
[01:45] <Riddell> ubijtsa: what is your problem?
[01:45] <Phazeman> does anybody knows about some sort of thuinderbird plugin that will show if a new mail arrived in the systray
[01:45] <Phazeman> ?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: moztraybiff
[01:46] <Phazeman> thanks !!
[01:46] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:46] <trollig> Phazeman: don't know why no new enigmail package for amd64 get's compiled. But it probably soon will.
[01:46] <ubijtsa> Riddell: the xkb part of kde351
[01:47] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: it's not in the repositories as far as i can see
[01:47] <Phazeman> it's some kind of external extensions ?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: it's not, use google
[01:47] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:47] <ubijtsa> Riddell: I see the same problems that allan sees, but they are inconsequential to me, the xkb problems are problematic for me however
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: and if you have problems with the one on their site, i can send you my complied version
[01:48] <Riddell> ubijtsa: xkb I know about, no idea what the issue is but I'll look into it when I have time (next week)
[01:48] <ubijtsa> Riddell: you may have received an email from me about it already (sent it an hour or so ago)
[01:48] <ubijtsa> Riddell: that is all I ask :)
[01:48] <Riddell> yes I did, sorry haven't got round to replying yet
[01:48] <marseillai> hi everybody
[01:48] <Riddell> ubijtsa: and what problem of allan's do you see?
[01:48] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: and what about a manual explaining how to set so links will open in firefox from thunderbird ?
[01:49] <ubijtsa> I can make do with setxkbmap for now
[01:49] <Phazeman> :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> !thunderbird
[01:49] <ubotu> somebody said thunderbird was a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[01:49] <Phazeman> YAY
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: see the bottom link
[01:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:49] <marseillai> i've seen that my upgrave to kde 3.5.1 install libavahi! can i allready use it in konqueror or other apps ?
[01:49] <ubijtsa> Riddell: the libpoppler0c2-qt deps problems
[01:49] <Phazeman> ubijtsa: do you have problems with russian keyboard ?
[01:49] <Riddell> ubijtsa: on which package?
[01:49] <ubijtsa> Phazeman: no, just setting it in kde :)
[01:50] <ubijtsa> Riddell: when trying to install a kdegraphics package
[01:50] <Riddell> ubijtsa: tried installing libpoppler0c2-qt?
[01:50] <Phazeman> ubijtsa: use the force (xorg.conf settings)
[01:50] <Phazeman> ubijtsa: wait a sec and i will help you
[01:50] <tsdgeos> ok, feel free to blame me, i did not remember i still had only downloaded 94% of kubuntu iso :D
[01:50] <[Vampis] > There
[01:50] <ubijtsa> [12:24:55]  <allan> kdegraphics:
[01:50] <ubijtsa> [12:24:55]  <allan>   Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins (>=4:3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1.4 is to be installed
[01:50] <tsdgeos> so obviously the CD got fucked
[01:50] <Riddell> ubijtsa: aah I see, you need it from breezy-security/universe
[01:51] <Riddell> ubijtsa: make sure you have that enabled
[01:51] <ubijtsa> that is essentially the problem... but as I said earlier, I don't mind on that one
[01:51] <ubijtsa> ok, let me test
[01:51] <Riddell> tsdgeos: this is breezy?
[01:51] <hawking> does anyone know how to enable identd in ubuntu? some IRC-servers require it as it seems
[01:51] <tsdgeos> Riddell: 5.10, don't know about names
[01:51] <ubijtsa> Phazeman: I have a setxkbmap line that does it for me, but thanks anyway :)
[01:51] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yes, that's breezy
[01:52] <tsdgeos> so yes
[01:52] <Riddell> tsdgeos: breezy CDs should be fine so you'll need to check the md5sum
[01:53] <[Vampis] > Whats the maindifference between OOffice and KOffice ?
[01:54] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: moztraybiff is not on the official extensions page...
[01:54] <Phazeman> [Vampis] : those are 2 different applications
[01:54] <Hobbsee> it's on mozdev...
[01:54] <Hobbsee> http://moztraybiff.mozdev.org/
[01:54] <trollig> [Vampis] : I always use KOffice when I want to edit pdf-files
[01:54] <jpatrick> [Vampis] : KOffice is KDE
[01:54] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: ahh
[01:55] <ubijtsa> Riddell: I have breezy, breezy-security and breezy-updates enabled for main restricted universe multiverse
[01:55] <[Vampis] > Yes that I know
[01:55] <[Vampis] > But wich one is "better" ?
[01:55] <unholy> [Vampis] : someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think koffice is faster because it's native, but it doesn't support the .doc format as well as openoffice.
[01:55] <[Vampis] > aha
[01:56] <ubijtsa> Riddell: but on the box at work (where I saw the problem) I may not have..
[01:56] <tsdgeos> Riddell: eyah, read above, i was toasting in the CD a iso not yet full downloaded :D
[01:56] <jpatrick> unholy: it has good support for .doc
[01:56] <ubijtsa> will have to try that monday morning
[01:56] <Riddell> ubijtsa: what happens when you try and install kdegraphics-kfile-plugins?
[01:56] <[Vampis] > well, *installing* :)
[01:56] <betim> hi, I want KDE 4.0 how do I install it?
[01:57] <Riddell> tsdgeos: he he :)
[01:57] <ubijtsa> Riddell: I appear to have it itstalled here (@home)
[01:57] <ubijtsa> betim: let them release it first ?
[01:57] <ubijtsa> my reverse ssh tunnel to work is down, so cant test it until monday morning
[01:57] <Riddell> betim: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[01:57] <unholy> jpatrick: okay, thanks for clearing that up. Last time I checked it definately wasnt (open office was just out). Might give it another try myself.
[01:58] <Riddell> ubijtsa: what version?
[01:58] <Riddell> ubotu: kde4 is http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[01:58] <ubotu> Riddell: okay
[01:58] <Riddell> !kde4
[01:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde4 is http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[01:58] <Riddell> cool
[01:58] <ubijtsa> Riddell: OT question, will kde 4.0 have SVG support throughout, like gnome does?
[01:58] <ubijtsa> Riddell: here (@home) 3.5.1
[01:58] <Riddell> ubijtsa: qt4 does, so yes
[01:58] <ubijtsa> Riddell: excellent :)
[01:59] <ubijtsa> what about kde 3.5.x with Qt4 ? ;)
[01:59] <Riddell> and actually kde 3 has svg support
[01:59] <Riddell> ubijtsa: that doesn't exist
[01:59] <ubijtsa> not for icons
[01:59] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: looks like it works :)
[01:59] <Riddell> kde 3 has svg support for icons but it's not usually used for various reasons (like it being crap)
[01:59] <Phazeman> i will test it in a sec :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: yay :)
[02:00] <ubijtsa> okidoki
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any idea how many hours this will take to build?  2.4ghz, 512mb of ram
[02:02] <Phazeman> no yay until i see it show that i've got new mail :)
[02:03] <weedar> Any tips as to why I can't logon to the wiki?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: your email?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> address, that is?
[02:14] <tsdgeos> ok, it is installing fine now :D
[02:18] <_thomas> hello
[02:18] <jpatrick> _thomas: hullo
[02:19] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: see pmsgt
[02:19] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: its nevermind :)
[02:20] <Phazeman> it's yay already :)
[02:20] <Phazeman> i've seen it working
[02:21] <Hobbsee> oh well, sent anywya
[02:22] <[Vampis-Kopete] > Oh, nice, its working :)
[02:22] <unholy> Has anyone tried upgrading to kde3.5?
[02:22] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[02:23] <[Vampis] > Can someone highlight me ? :)
[02:23] <unholy> [Vampis] : sure :)
[02:23] <unholy> That what you meant?
[02:24] <[Vampis] > Yep
[02:24] <[Vampis] > Thx :)
[02:24] <unholy> np :)
[02:24] <[Vampis] > hm, highlight didnt work to well, but everytime someone writes it looks like a new IM messege
[02:24] <[Vampis] > thats gonna be alot of messeges ;)
[02:25] <unholy> [Vampis] : is that version 0.11 youre using?
[02:25] <unholy> sorry, 10.3
[02:25] <[Vampis] > yes, 0.11
[02:25] <unholy> really? I didnt think that was out yet. Its not on the homepage.
[02:26] <[Vampis] > Yep it's out
[02:26] <archelios> bonjour tout le modne
[02:26] <archelios> ya quelqu'un ?
[02:26] <unholy> [Vampis] : Cool. You must be running kde 3.5 then?
[02:26] <[Vampis] >  http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35
[02:26] <[Vampis] > yep
[02:27] <[Vampis] > but I used it in gnome to :)
[02:27] <archelios> hello eceryone
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: no problems
[02:27] <[Vampis] > Worked like a charm
[02:27] <rdale> can I upgrade to kde 3.5.1 from 3.4.3/breezy or to I need to reinstall with dapper?
[02:27] <unholy> [Vampis] : nice. Was the upgrade smooth?
[02:27] <[Vampis] > Yep
[02:27] <unholy> I'm definately switching to Kubuntu. I'm using mandriva at the moment.
[02:27] <archelios> can somebody help me ? I'm trying to configure my ati x600 graphic card but i cant
[02:28] <[Vampis] > I just added " deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main " to the repository and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:28] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: do you , by any chance know how to chenge the fonts shown in mozilla in the menu ? i mean the size of them... i'm trying to find it in the configuration menu but the only thing in there is the web page font settings
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: play with gtk font settings - in system settings
[02:28] <unholy> cool.
[02:28] <CyberMad> which one better? postfix, qmail, exim >
[02:28] <woocash> Hi , I have a lame question. What is the default path for Konqueror in Kubuntu ???
[02:28] <CyberMad> ?
[02:29] <[Vampis] > default path ?
[02:29] <woocash> yes
[02:29] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: ahhh... ok ...
[02:29] <CyberMad> woocash, whereis konqueror ?
[02:29] <woocash> yes
[02:29] <CyberMad> yes.. that's the command
[02:29] <[Vampis] > ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[02:29] <CyberMad> whereis konqueror
[02:29] <CyberMad> :)
[02:29] <Phazeman> any russian speaking here ? need some help with GAIM to make it show me the russian other people writing to me...
[02:30] <unholy> CyberMad: type 'which konqueror' to find out
[02:30] <woocash> thx
[02:30] <archelios> can somebody healp me please ?
[02:30] <CyberMad> unholy would you tell me what's the different?
[02:30] <[Vampis] > archelios: with what ?
[02:30] <unholy> CyberMad: different with what?
[02:31] <archelios> I am new on Kubuntu, and i cant attempt to install my ati drivers
[02:31] <CyberMad> unholy nevermind.. i can see the difference between whereis and which in man
[02:31] <unholy> ok
[02:32] <archelios> i couldn't startx without putting vesa in the pilot choice with the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:32] <farous> !tell archelios about ati
[02:32] <unholy> CyberMad: which is good if you have more than one version of the software, and you want to know which one is default.
[02:33] <farous> archelios, with ati there is fglrxconfig
[02:33] <unholy> also, which just tells you where the binary is.
[02:33] <farous> or fireglconfig
[02:34] <archelios> wekk
[02:34] <archelios> well
[02:34] <archelios> I tryed to install ati rpm
[02:34] <farous> archelios, if you use it though do not forge to backup your xorg.conf file
[02:34] <farous> for it will rewrite it from scratch
[02:34] <kernel_i386> hey.. I recently switched from breezy to dapper - and noticed a lot of issues ... now I want to switch back to breezy - is that possible?
[02:34] <farous> archelios, ati is already installed by default why use rpm package
[02:35] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: got my email ?
[02:35] <kernel_i386> just change Distribution from "dapper" to "breezy" in adept?
[02:35] <kernel_i386> will that work?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: no, dont have it open
[02:35] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:35] <Hobbsee> kernel_i386: yes
[02:36] <Phazeman> night ;)
[02:36] <kernel_i386> okay, thanks
[02:36] <kernel_i386> night
[02:36] <tsdgeos> have anyone ever realized that resolution checker on xserver-xorg reconfigure is VERy badly usability related?
[02:36] <tsdgeos> return does exactly what you do not want to do it :-/
[02:38] <Rivelino> Could somebody help me with amaroK? I can't get multimedia keys work with it. I've already installed hotkeys and hotkeys-setup.
[02:38] <farous> archelios, you can reinstall xserver-xorg-driver-ati
[02:39] <ccc_> Rivelino: type "man amarok" to see which options you can use
[02:40] <Rivelino> k
[02:40] <kernel_i386> nothing happens..
[02:40] <kernel_i386> I changed dapper to breezy now..
[02:40] <kernel_i386> he fetched update list.. and now..?
[02:41] <farous> kernel_i386, you have to downgrade manually all the packages :(
[02:41] <farous> !dapper
[02:41] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[02:41] <farous> and you have been warned before the install
[02:41] <CyberMad> does kubuntu as server support SATA ?
[02:41] <kernel_i386> yes.. I mounted some SATA..
[02:41] <CyberMad> thanks.. i will install it soon
[02:41] <tsdgeos> why should server make a difference?
[02:42] <kernel_i386> ...damn ... so no way for a noob to downgrade :P
[02:42] <CyberMad> i believe there is no difference.. just make it clear
[02:42] <kernel_i386> I'll have to wait for my friend support
[02:42] <kernel_i386> dunno how to downgrade manually
[02:42] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:43] <farous> night Hobbsee :)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:43] <farous> kernel_i386, you will have to use the foce version option if you use synaptic
[02:43] <kernel_i386> hmm, I use "adept"?
[02:43] <farous> or with adept just select downgrade
[02:43] <kernel_i386> no option downgrade to find..
[02:44] <farous> kernel_i386, try right clicking on the package with the mouse and see the options
[02:44] <weedar> Does anyone know how I can log on to the wiki?
[02:44] <kernel_i386> I have a button that says "Full Upgrade" - but can't use it..
[02:44] <kernel_i386> maybe: "reinstall Package"?
[02:44] <kernel_i386> or Purge Package?
[02:45] <kernel_i386> or Remove Package
[02:45] <paulvolk> Hey Guys
[02:45] <kernel_i386> Upgrad Package is not possible ... not able to chose
[02:45] <paulvolk> Where would I find a list of repositories I could add?
[02:45] <farous> kernel_i386, there is no easy way to do it any way you coose will be messy
[02:45] <farous> !repos
[02:45] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:45] <kernel_i386> hmm
[02:46] <CyberMad> is it better to use ubuntu as my server than kubuntu (server installation mode) ? my friend told that.. is that correct?
[02:46] <CyberMad> what's the difference??
[02:46] <CyberMad> i haven't install ubuntu before..
[02:47] <hatake_kakashi> ubuntu is running on gnome, kubuntu is kde
[02:47] <farous> CyberMad, for server you do not need bloated desktop and windowmanger. normallhy a terminal based one to reduce resource hogging
[02:47] <CyberMad> yes.. i don't install the windowmanager
[02:47] <farous> CyberMad, there is a server install i think with xdm and either xfce or no wm at all
[02:47] <CyberMad> i choose server in installation
[02:47] <CyberMad> so just text mode that i have right now
[02:48] <CyberMad> running in celeron 333mhz
[02:48] <paulvolk> How would I add the sources?
[02:48] <paulvolk> like do I type them all in to adept?
[02:48] <farous> CyberMad, ok so using ubuntu or kubuntu is the same. my exper though is use ubuntu cd more reliable as far as i  used them
[02:48] <hatake_kakashi> both ubuntu/kubuntu are more or less the same without the X window
[02:48] <CyberMad> installing the window manager takes 3-4 hours in celeron 333 mhz
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> paulvolk: there is guides for that on the kubuntu wiki
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> !sources
[02:49] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:49] <farous> paulvolk, edit the fire /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> err not that..
[02:49] <farous> !tell paulvolk about repos
[02:49] <noll> Cannot build WineHQ from source. I get "#error unsupported CPU". Im on a mac. Found a patch for it on the internet, but dont know how to use it :( anyone?
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> yeah, what farous said, use your favourite editor to edit it
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> !repos
[02:49] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:50] <hatake_kakashi> hmm
[02:51] <marseillai> Riddell: does kdelibs and kdenetwork 3.5.1 compils with avahi support ?
[02:51] <JakubS> noll: you simply cannot use wine on non-x86 compatible processor
[02:51] <noll> hmm
[02:52] <JakubS> windows app are all x86 and wine does not emulate a processor - only win32 api
[02:52] <noll> so why are there source packages for building non-386 out then?
[02:53] <JakubS> maybe to use it with x86 emulator
[02:53] <JakubS> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/lists/yellowdog-general/November00/0409.html
[02:54] <CyberMad> does anyone here have installation guide for postfix in kubuntu?
[02:55] <paulvolk> thanks for the help
[02:56] <Riddell> marseillai: yes
[02:56] <marseillai> oki thank's
[02:57] <marseillai> could you tell me wath packages are necessary to use zeroconf:/ in konqueror ?
[02:59] <CyberMad> ah got it via google
[03:03] <archelios> I am getting mad
[03:03] <archelios> using the tips you gave me
[03:03] <archelios> I retry for the 33434 time
[03:03] <archelios> to configure xconf and stuff
[03:04] <archelios> but when I use ati or fglrx instead of vesa on pilot selection
[03:04] <farous> archelios, i told you you need to backup the xorg.conf did you do that
[03:04] <archelios> startx dosen't run, it says Fatal erro:r
[03:04] <archelios> no screen
[03:04] <farous> archelios, bottom line ati driver are crappy that is why you have troubles
[03:04] <farous> archelios, what card you have
[03:05] <archelios> iam not really sure
[03:05] <farous> lspci
[03:05] <archelios> i am on a toshiba satellite pro mx40
[03:05] <farous> in a terminal will tell you the card name
[03:05] <archelios> and i thinx its a mobility x600
[03:05] <osh_> archelios: lspci | grep -i vga <- that should tell you the card.
[03:06] <archelios> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5462
[03:06] <archelios> but pretty sure its a x600
[03:06] <farous> x600 is much like the 9800 series
[03:06] <farous> sorry 9600
[03:06] <archelios> but the problem is
[03:06] <farous> so fglrx shouldl work well
[03:06] <archelios> well
[03:07] <archelios> it doesent
[03:07] <archelios> when I installed Kbuntu with the server instalattion
[03:07] <farous> archelios, why server installation when you are gona run x
[03:07] <archelios> a friend of mine installed ATI Rpm and its was working quite well (screen in wide resolution etc)
[03:08] <archelios> but i wanted the normal installation
[03:08] <archelios> and the fact is that a the end of the instalttion
[03:08] <archelios> i got the error : fatal error no screen
[03:08] <mirsh> hey, anyone know how to dual boot with grub? i want to be able to choose what linux kernel to boot with
[03:08] <archelios> when making the startx command
[03:09] <farous> archelios, now you fixed it right do you have xdm, gdm or kdm running
[03:09] <archelios> so i search on the web and got this tips : put vesa on pilot selection with the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command
[03:09] <archelios> and that worked
[03:10] <archelios> i am actually on kde
[03:10] <farous> ok archelios than use it if it worked for you
[03:10] <archelios> but my screen isnt in a good resolution (i can only select
[03:10] <farous> archelios, and do not use rpm whatever you want you can find in deb
[03:10] <archelios> sure i'd like to
[03:11] <farous> archelios, and you can set the proper reslution in xorg.conf
[03:11] <farous> or using fireglconfig
[03:11] <archelios> yes but anyway, i'm on vesa pilot and its crappy
[03:11] <farous> !fixers
[03:11] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, farous
[03:11] <farous> !monitor
[03:12] <ubotu> farous: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:12] <farous> archelios, wait i will give you a link to fix the resolution
[03:12] <archelios> ok
[03:12] <archelios> but i'd like also to go on ati or fglrx pilot, not vesa :(
[03:13] <archelios> because for example the refresh rates i can select for display is only "0"
[03:13] <farous> archelios, i really do not now what is your prob. but having a server install at the start was huge mistake
[03:13] <farous> if you were gonna run x
[03:13] <archelios> lol non in facht
[03:14] <archelios> yeasterday
[03:14] <archelios> my friend gave me kubuntu
[03:14] <archelios> and make a server install
[03:14] <farous> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:14] <archelios> because i wanted to try linux
[03:14] <archelios> but now I made a normal install
[03:14] <tsdgeos> make a server install ???
[03:14] <farous> server install has to many security that might render a desktop useless
[03:15] <farous> should only be used for servers and never desktop archelios
[03:15] <CyberMad> welcome to text mode life :)
[03:15] <farous> archelios, check the monitor section
[03:15] <unholy> Quick question, what firewall are y'all using?
[03:16] <farous> exactly CyberMad why you have server install if you are gonna run X :(
[03:16] <CyberMad> i don't need x windows
[03:16] <CyberMad> without "s"
[03:16] <farous> unholy, linux have a built in firewall. an easy front end for it is firestarter
[03:16] <archelios> well im checking but I wana first get the good video pilot before getting the right resolution
[03:17] <farous> CyberMad, i understand i am just wondering of others who need x and yet go for server install
[03:17] <CyberMad> why you don't do re-install?
[03:17] <farous> archelios, can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file on the pastebin
[03:17] <archelios> i reinstalled 10 times this night
[03:18] <archelios> getting bored :(
[03:18] <farous> archelios, make a normall renistall and your life will be easier. for expect problems beyond your mere xserver one
[03:19] <archelios> but i made
[03:19] <archelios> 10 normal installation
[03:19] <archelios> and startx doesnt work
[03:19] <farous> lots of services are disabled for servers
[03:19] <farous> archelios, with kdm startx normally is not used
[03:19] <farous> sudo kdm start
[03:19] <farous> sudo kdm stop, sudo kdm restart
[03:20] <archelios> its kdm ?
[03:20] <archelios> the command ?
[03:20] <archelios> well ill try that
[03:20] <farous> if you installed kubuntu than it should be kdm unless if it is server install
[03:20] <[Vampis] > kdm = lay manage
[03:20] <[Vampis] > kkathman:  :D
[03:20] <[Vampis] > kdm = k display manager , there, thats right
[03:20] <[Vampis] > :)
[03:21] <kkathman> howdy [Vampis]  :)
[03:21] <[Vampis] > Whats up ? :)
[03:22] <kkathman> nothing much
[03:22] <archelios> well
[03:23] <archelios> kdm makes nothing :p
[03:23] <[Vampis] >  makes nothing ? :P
[03:23] <archelios> sudo kdm
[03:23] <farous> are you running kde archelios
[03:23] <archelios> doesnt start the desktop display
[03:23] <[Vampis] > sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:23] <archelios> yup
[03:23] <archelios> kubuntu install
[03:23] <farous> i mean are you in kde environ
[03:24] <archelios> actually yes
[03:24] <farous> than it is running
[03:24] <archelios> yes i know
[03:24] <archelios> raaaaaaaa
[03:24] <paulvolk> Hey guys
[03:24] <archelios> getting mad
[03:25] <paulvolk> How would I add more users to Kubuntu?
[03:25] <farous> archelios, what are you trying to do.
[03:25] <archelios> im trying to do
[03:25] <archelios> my graphic card working
[03:25] <[Vampis] > paulvolk: adduser username
[03:25] <archelios> i meen
[03:25] <[Vampis] > in the console
[03:25] <paulvolk> ok
[03:25] <farous> archelios, be patient one step at a time
[03:25] <archelios> yes i know
[03:25] <[Vampis] > or in kcontrol
[03:25] <paulvolk> is there a Gui for that?
[03:25] <[Vampis] > System Administration / Users & Group
[03:26] <[Vampis] > there's the gui
[03:26] <archelios> but yesterday on the server install
[03:26] <farous> archelios, if you are worried about the resol. follow the link i sent you
[03:26] <archelios> with RPM
[03:26] <archelios> ati
[03:26] <archelios> we got the good resolution selection
[03:26] <[Vampis] > Why do you make a serverinstall and then want to run kde?
[03:26] <[Vampis] > :P
[03:26] <archelios> 60 refresh rate etc
[03:26] <archelios> but in the nigh
[03:26] <archelios> night
[03:26] <[Vampis] > kkathman: so what are you up to today ?
[03:26] <archelios> i realized that what ive got was a server install
[03:26] <paulvolk> ok Thaks
[03:27] <archelios> so kinda 'empty'
[03:27] <paulvolk> Thanks*
[03:27] <archelios> so i made a normal installation
[03:27] <archelios> but there a the end
[03:27] <archelios> command startx wasn't working, i was getting a error message with no screen in it
[03:28] <farous> archelios, you just need to describe the refresh rate , horiz and vert sync in your xorg.conf file and the resolu of your monitor
[03:28] <[Vampis] > hm, does sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm work ?
[03:28] <archelios> yeah i know
[03:28] <archelios> but actually
[03:28] <archelios> its working with a crapy solution
[03:28] <[Vampis] > add resolutions in the xorg.conf file then
[03:28] <[Vampis] > :)
[03:28] <archelios> selction vesa as video pilot with the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor
[03:29] <farous> archelios, ok paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the pastebin
[03:29] <farous> let me have a look at it
[03:29] <archelios> but i wana make kubuntu work finie, with ati or fblrx pilot
[03:29] <archelios> not vesa
[03:29] <farous> archelios, with fglrx you put it as the driver
[03:29] <archelios> wich was working well on the server install so why not with the normal install
[03:30] <farous> not the pilot and it is either ati or fglrx
[03:30] <archelios> but when i select fglrx
[03:30] <archelios> i cant start kde environement
[03:30] <archelios> i'm getting an error
[03:30] <archelios> as well if i select ati
[03:30] <farous> archelios, did you follow ubotu link on ati
[03:30] <archelios> i follow a lot of link
[03:31] <farous> !tell archelios about ati
[03:31] <farous> you should follow official ubuntu links
[03:31] <archelios> nothing is working and i'm getting kind of sunk in all those manipulation of the xorg
[03:32] <farous> ok archelios i wish i could help you but seems you already gave up
[03:32] <farous> i too got to go sleep so take care and hope you can solve your problem
[03:32] <paulvolk> How do I get into a root account?
[03:33] <farous> paulvolk, put sudo infront of the command and you will have sudo privlages
[03:33] <farous> !tell paulvolk about sudo
[03:33] <illminime> Hi everyone i got a big problem with my ethernet controller, its a ALi Corporation: unknown device 5263
[03:34] <archelios> making a new installation to reset all my errors i could have done
[03:34] <illminime> Anyone had the same problem?
[03:34] <illminime> Cant get ip
[03:34] <paulvolk> ok but in terminal when I type su and type my password it says login failed but when I go into like the packedge manager and put in the same passwrod it works.
[03:34] <illminime> Have installed rt2500 drivers and ndiswrapper
[03:34] <illminime> everything seems to be ok
[03:34] <illminime> but no offers from dhcp
[03:35] <archelios> by the way the mess starts a the begining anyway, for example i have to select vga=771
[03:38] <illminime> Anyone ?
[03:40] <weedar> illminime, do you use wpa?
[03:41] <illminime> weedar: no i dont
[03:42] <JakubS> is it even wireless?
[03:42] <illminime> weedar: I did first, but removed it since i tought it might be the problem, but it wasnt
[03:42] <weedar> illminime, when running iwconfig you see your wireless adapter?
[03:42] <illminime> JakubS: Its both wireless and wired
[03:42] <illminime> weedar: Yes
[03:42] <illminime> weedar: but no ip from dhcp
[03:42] <illminime> weedar: cant even ping my network
[03:43] <JakubS> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0601.3/0756.html - this suggests that uli526x is right driver for this chipset
[03:43] <illminime> ok
[03:43] <illminime> I'll take a look
[03:44] <weedar> for me all I had to do was compile ndiswrapper, load the correct driver, run "ndiswrapper -m" and modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:44] <weedar> as long as you've done all of that all I can think of is that your'e using an incorrect driver illminime
[03:45] <illminime> I use the winxp drivers with ndiswrapper
[03:45] <illminime> no errors accours
[03:45] <weedar> I assume that ndiswrapper -l says the driver is loaded and present
[03:45] <illminime> yes weedar
[03:46] <weedar> This is a pci controller, right? When running lspci what does that tell you about the card?
[03:46] <illminime> the output of ethernet controller is:
[03:47] <weedar> You should probably use pastebin if you plan on pasting several lines
[03:47] <illminime> Ethernet Controller: ALi unknown device: 5263 (rev 50)
[03:47] <illminime> weedar: I have no internett on that pc so i cant paste it
[03:48] <illminime> but that line I wrote to you is the output of ethernet
[03:50] <weedar> illminime, I can't seem to find that number 5263 on the list.. the one at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[03:50] <JakubS> well, looks like pci id matches that from uli526x.c driver
[03:50] <gsnedders> how much RAM would I need to run kubuntu smoothy on a duron 700? 256MB? 512MB?
[03:50] <JakubS> you are trying to get wired or wireless to work?
[03:50] <illminime> JakubS: I tries first to get wireless to work
[03:51] <JakubS> gsnedders: the more the better, as usual :-)
[03:51] <illminime> JakubS: But wierd would have been great to
[03:51] <illminime> *too
[03:51] <JakubS> from what i see uli526x is only wired
[03:51] <illminime> ok
[03:51] <gsnedders> JakubS, how well would it run with 256MB?
[03:51] <tecs> anyone here who can help me isntall my hp 720c printer i tried using the printer wizard but it wont work
[03:51] <illminime> JakubS: So i have to modprobe uli526x module?
[03:53] <solemnwarning> is there a way to install mp3 codecs and w32codecs under kubuntu?
[03:53] <_henrik> hello all Kubuntu users
[03:53] <weedar> solemnwarning, just follow the same guides that are available for ubuntu
[03:53] <tecs> solemnwarnings yes....
[03:53] <solemnwarning> what guides?
[03:53] <JanDoo> hi folks
[03:54] <weedar> solemnwarning, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:54] <solemnwarning> w32codecs aint on apt and marillat is only for deb
[03:54] <illminime> So i have to modprobe uli526x module?
[03:54] <solemnwarning> ok
[03:54] <tecs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114251
[03:54] <tecs> check that out solemnwarning
[03:54] <JanDoo> good day ... migration from suse to kubuntu was succesful *g*
[03:55] <kkathman> JanDoo:  I actually run both at the moment :)
[03:55] <JanDoo> but on small question ... from suse and red hat i know a command like chkconfig or inserv
[03:55] <JanDoo> does debian has such a thing?
[03:56] <kkathman> Im not sure what those do
[03:56] <JanDoo> this both things creates automatically the links under /etc/rc.x/ for an init script
[03:57] <kkathman> I dont know of anything like that in ubuntu but its possible
[03:57] <JanDoo> i know i can do this manually ... but it's more comfortable if you do something like "chkconfig -a smb" for example
[03:57] <kkathman> you'll find that there are a few more manual things in kubuntu because its a young release
[03:58] <JanDoo> nop ... i thought debian has such a feature too
[03:59] <kkathman> it might, I just never used it
[03:59] <JanDoo> *g*
[03:59] <JanDoo> so lets google speak ...
[04:05] <_nat> Hi, I've a laptop with an ATI graphic card, I plug a video projector on and I'd like to watch moovie on but it doesn't work
[04:05] <_nat> i configure the ATI for having the same things in the 2 screens
[04:06] <gsnedders> how likely is it my motherboard can't take >256MB RAM without a BIOS upgrade?
[04:06] <gsnedders> it's from the late 90s, I think
[04:06] <_nat> but the video are displayed on only one windows
[04:06] <_nat> on only one screen
[04:07] <_nat> the 2nd screen is black wheras displaying the video
[04:07] <closeasperil> hello
[04:07] <closeasperil> did anyone upgrade to kde 5.1?
[04:08] <kkathman> closeasperil: I did...its buggy
[04:08] <kkathman> its 3.5.1 tho
[04:08] <kkathman> I wish I hadnt
[04:09] <closeasperil> is there any way to reupgrade???
[04:09] <closeasperil> i did also
[04:09] <closeasperil> nothing works anymore :D
[04:09] <kkathman> well, Im sure there is
[04:09] <closeasperil> you dont know how do you?
[04:09] <kkathman> I probably wont, cuz usually its a pain
[04:11] <closeasperil> hmm
[04:13] <wasp_ems> i just downloaded firefox..how do i install it?
[04:14] <jpatrick> !firefox
[04:14] <wasp_ems> ?
[04:15] <jpatrick> ubotu: tell wasp_ems about firefox1.5
[04:15] <wasp_ems> thanx
[04:16] <puckman> Wow
[04:16] <puckman> Anyone here played with quanta plus?
[04:16] <puckman> darn nice!
[04:17] <kkathman> puckman: use it all the time
[04:17] <kkathman> yes its pretty darned good
[04:17] <kkathman> maybe one of the best linux apps out there
[04:17] <puckman> Installed it some time ago but played with it for the first time today.
[04:17] <puckman> Man, how misguided I was all those years using a mac
[04:17] <closeasperil> kkathman: would you mind helping me wit some 3.5.1 stuff?
[04:18] <kkathman> closeasperil: I'll certainly try
[04:18] <closeasperil> query?
[04:18] <kkathman> why not chat here, so everyone can benefit :)
[04:18] <kkathman> besides I might not know :)
[04:18] <kkathman> and someone else might :)
[04:19] <closeasperil> hah ok
[04:19] <closeasperil> so
[04:19] <closeasperil> its like i cannot do ANYTHING anymore
[04:19] <closeasperil> konqueror wont work
[04:19] <kkathman> ahh yes the icons?
[04:19] <closeasperil> contact wont work
[04:19] <kkathman> hm
[04:19] <closeasperil> says no mime types installed
[04:19] <kkathman> closeasperil:  when you say "wont work"...can you be specific?
[04:20] <kkathman> take konqueror first
[04:20] <closeasperil> ok
[04:20] <closeasperil> seems like no paths are configured
[04:20] <closeasperil> i cannot click on the home sign
[04:20] <kkathman> I dont use Konqy...but let me try that - one moment
[04:21] <kkathman> ok I dont have that problem
[04:21] <closeasperil> when i try to type ANYTHING in the navigationline it says protocoll not supported
[04:21] <kkathman> home takes me to home
[04:21] <kkathman> ouch!
[04:21] <closeasperil> yes
[04:21] <closeasperil> in deed
[04:21] <kkathman> hmm
[04:21] <kkathman> this sounds very odd
[04:22] <closeasperil> when i try to change settings
[04:22] <kkathman> all this after you installed 3.5 ?
[04:22] <closeasperil> it says
[04:22] <kkathman> 3.5.1
[04:22] <closeasperil> system:/settings.desktop not found
[04:22] <closeasperil> yes
[04:22] <closeasperil> just after the upgrade
[04:23] <kkathman> hmmm did you happen to check for errors during the install?
[04:23] <closeasperil> how that?
[04:23] <kkathman> I had a couple I had to resolve
[04:24] <kkathman> to upgrade did you  change  your sources and then do an apt-get update | apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:24] <closeasperil> well not exactly
[04:24] <kkathman> hmm
[04:24] <kkathman> ok
[04:24] <closeasperil> i did via adept
[04:24] <kkathman> ahh
[04:24] <kkathman> but you DID change your sources right?
[04:24] <kkathman> to kde351
[04:25] <closeasperil> yes
[04:25] <closeasperil> like said on kubuntu.de
[04:25] <_robin> do you guys know some anti-clutter tools and handy tools for KDE and kubuntu? ^^
[04:26] <kkathman> ok could I suggest that you go to a konsole and lets try this:   sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:26] <kkathman> try that and watch for errors
[04:26] <_robin> do you guys know some anti-clutter tools and handy tools for KDE and kubuntu? ^^
[04:26] <jpatrick> _robin: tried Kleansweep?
[04:27] <vijay> 3D applications are slowing down my system, can any one help me to fix this???
[04:27] <closeasperil> ok ill be back in a minute
[04:27] <_robin> Kleansweep?
[04:27] <jpatrick> _robin: search http://kde-apps.org for it
[04:28] <_robin> have to compile that, damn :o
[04:28] <_robin> jpatrick: but any more apps? ^^
[04:28] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:29] <jpatrick> _robin: compiling's easy and fun :)
[04:29] <_robin> i know, have any more apps?
[04:29] <jpatrick> _robin: not that I know off
[04:30] <_robin> okay, anyone have some handy apps for KDE?
[04:31] <closeasperil> well that dint change anything
[04:31] <closeasperil> ill do a reboot and see
[04:31] <wasp_ems> i installed firefox fine..i went to add flash player in the plugins but it wount allow me to paste them there..what can i do?
[04:31] <Spudly> wasp_ems: have you tried installing from macromedia site?
[04:31] <_robin> anyone have some handy apps for KDE?
[04:31] <kkathman> aaaaargh
[04:32] <Spudly> _robin: define handy
[04:32] <wasp_ems> i downloaded the flash player and extracted its contents
[04:32] <robinl1> Spudly: useful
[04:32] <robinl1> Spudly: making life easier
[04:32] <wasp_ems> is it different from the site?
[04:32] <Spudly> wasp_ems: you mentioned 'pasting'... where are you trying to paste to?
[04:32] <wasp_ems> in the plugins directory..
[04:33] <Spudly> robinl1: is there anything specific you'd like to make easier?
[04:33] <robinl1> Spudly: all stuff
[04:33] <wasp_ems> that what it says on some instructions i am following
[04:33] <Spudly> wasp_ems: np, are you using AdBlock extension?
[04:33] <wasp_ems> i dont know i just installed firefox
[04:34] <paulvolk> Hey
[04:34] <Spudly> have you restarted firefox since you copied the files into the plugins dir?
[04:34] <wasp_ems> i cannot copy the files into the plugins directory
[04:34] <robinl1> Spudly: i mean like note apps, handy stuff, extensions to the user interface to make stuff better and easier.
[04:35] <robinl1> utilitys like kde install apps such as Kompiler, Klik
[04:35] <robinl1> stuff like that :)
[04:35] <Spudly> robinl1: k
[04:35] <robinl1> :)
[04:35] <Spudly> wasp_ems: can you see the permissions on the plugins directory?
[04:35] <wasp_ems> i dont know
[04:35] <closeasperil> back
[04:35] <closeasperil> haha
[04:35] <wasp_ems> wait
[04:36] <closeasperil> ok ALL my settings and everything ist lost
[04:36] <Spudly> wasp_ems: are you using Konqueror or a terminal window?
[04:36] <closeasperil> but it seems the system is running now
[04:36] <wasp_ems> can view content...konqueror
[04:36] <robinl1> Spudly: and konqueror extensions, live sidebar extensions, suff like that :p
[04:36] <closeasperil> kkathman: was this like that for you too?
[04:36] <robinl1> so, you know any?
[04:37] <Spudly> robinl1: do you use SSH much?
[04:37] <robinl1> sometimes
[04:37] <robinl1> for some of my servers
[04:37] <paulvolk>  can't seem to add anymore users to the Kubuntu system. I add users and put in password then restart the computer but when I try to login as the new users I either get a "login Failed" Message or a message saying that I have to change the paword imediatly. what is going on?
[04:37] <Spudly> robinl1: if so, you can use Konqueror to copy files - i think you use a protocol like:  'ssh://' or scp:// or something like that - very handy
[04:37] <wasp_ems> cant i access the computer as root so i dont have any permission problems?
[04:38] <robinl1> k
[04:38] <Spudly> wasp_ems: are you logged on as root? have a look at the permissions on the directory - what are they?
[04:39] <wasp_ems> i am not logged as root because on kubuntu u cant log on as root...the permissions on the directory are that i can only view the content
[04:40] <`Nomad> !scanner
[04:40] <ubotu> For scanners in Ubuntu, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[04:40] <kkathman> closeasperil:  nope
[04:40] <Spudly> wasp_ems: what is the path to the plugins folder?
[04:40] <closeasperil> weird
[04:40] <kkathman> closeasperil:  the only things that messed up was my kicker wasnt where it was supposed to be, and my kvirc app got messed a littl
[04:41] <wasp_ems> Spudly: /opt/firefox
[04:41] <kkathman> closeasperil:  it sounds like you had a bad install
[04:41] <closeasperil> hmm. my wallpaper is gone and my controlbar is messy too
[04:41] <closeasperil> well maybe my fault
[04:41] <kkathman> iccck
[04:42] <kkathman> well when you do things like this, its best to to them in a konsole, and that way you see the errors and can fix them a little easier
[04:42] <MrJangles> hey guys, is there software to control apache/sql servers?
[04:42] <closeasperil> ok good guess
[04:42] <closeasperil> anyway
[04:42] <kkathman> thats why I thought maybe repeating the install would work
[04:42] <kkathman> closeasperil:  one more thing you can try
[04:42] <closeasperil> seems like anything is back in command
[04:42] <closeasperil> yes?
[04:43] <Spudly> wasp_ems: you might consider lookin for a user-specific plugins folder
[04:43] <kkathman> ahh no you cant cuz we dont know what went wrong :(
[04:43] <Spudly> eg $HOME/.firefox  or something
[04:43] <kkathman> ARGHH
[04:43] <closeasperil> yeah
[04:43] <wasp_ems> Spudly: what does that mean
[04:43] <wasp_ems> the plugins folder is in the dir i gave u
[04:43] <closeasperil> man, you cant imagine my thoughts when konqueror said "protocoll not supported"
[04:43] <kkathman> closeasperil:  hold on a sec
[04:43] <Spudly> wasp_ems: every user has a 'home directory' - i.e. the place on the filesystem where they are taken when they log in. this is referred to as $HOME
[04:44] <Spudly> wasp_ems: this is where each user can store his/her own files, and often contains directories specific to applications (eg firefox)
[04:44] <Spudly> what username are you using to login?
[04:45] <wasp_ems> yes but i followed what the site in wiki said and then i am trying to follow what it says at http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html
[04:46] <tsdgeos_> anyone knows what do i need to make kcontrol -> keyboard layout to be filled and not empty?
[04:47] <Spudly> wasp_ems: read the first paragraph - the second option is the one you're after: ---
[04:47] <Spudly>  On Linux, plugins can be installed in three locations:   The plugins directory in your Firefox directory A plugins directory in the Mozilla profiles directory (~/.mozilla/plugins) The path pointed to by environment variable MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH
[04:48] <Spudly> Second Option: "A plugins directory in the Mozilla profiles directory (~/.mozilla/plugins)"
[04:48] <Spudly> ~ is the same as $HOME
[04:48] <Spudly> so, open up a terminal window or file manager window and go to the home directory of the user you are logged in as
[04:48] <wasp_ems> i know that!!!!the problem is that is will not allow me to paste those files there
[04:48] <Spudly> then find the .mozilla directory
[04:48] <robinl1> Spudly: and konqueror extensions, live sidebar extensions, suff like that :p
[04:48] <robinl1> err
[04:49] <robinl1> wrong sentence
[04:49] <robinl1> (pressed up)
[04:49] <_henrik> why is KDE 3.4 so fucking bugg
[04:49] <robinl1> know any useful apps?
[04:49] <Spudly> wasp_ems: you were trying to paste into /opt/firefox, right? don't try in there. look for a ".mozilla" directory in the home directory of the user you are logged in as. Find that, then let me know
[04:51] <wasp_ems> no i was trying to past it in /opt/firefox/plugins
[04:51] <Spudly> wasp: same thing
[04:51] <Spudly> wasp_ems: don't paste there
[04:51] <wasp_ems> then where?
[04:51] <Spudly> i've just told you twice :)
[04:51] <shreevatsa> what's the difference between "pure display" and "glass display" in Katapult?
[04:51] <wasp_ems> sorry
[04:51] <Spudly> read what i wrote above
[04:51] <kkathman> closeasperil:  still here?
[04:52] <closeasperil> si senor
[04:52] <Spudly> and I quote: "find the .mozilla directory in the home directory of the user you are logged in as"
[04:52] <shreevatsa> (Of course, if I can't tell the difference, then it must be something that doesn't matter (to me), but I'd still like to know)
[04:52] <Spudly> once you've found that dir, you'll find a "plugins" directory. If you can't find one, create one.
[04:52] <wasp_ems> Spudly: there is no mozilla dir there...
[04:52] <robinl1> ok, different question now: how to install the Xorg libs so i can compile kde apps? (i need all dev-libs available for them)
[04:52] <wasp_ems> i installed firefox in /opt...why should a file of filefox be in home?
[04:53] <shreevatsa> wasp_ems: It's ".mozilla", so it will be hidden. It stores your settings
[04:53] <kkathman> closeasperil:  two things you can try....first, and the easiest I suppose if you are fortunate ... reinstall.  But you can also go to synaptic and try to just remove the kde things,  but thats dangerous, because ubuntu is TERRIBLE in being able to know what all to remove
[04:53] <Spudly> wasp_ems: firefox can be used by more than one user, so often settings and extra files (eg plugins) are stored per-user, so each user can have different settings/files
[04:54] <kkathman> lastly, you could install ubuntu-desktop and use gnome I suppose
[04:54] <wasp_ems> ok..but still there is nothing i the home directory
[04:54] <howcomes> Is there any statistics stating how many ppl are using Kubuntu :P
[04:54] <Spudly> wasp_ems: i suggest, if this is confusing, that you search google.com for 'multi user environment'
[04:55] <robinl1> ok, different question now: how to install the Xorg libs so i can compile kde apps? (i need all dev-libs available for them)
[04:55] <Spudly> wasp_ems: there is probably a setting to view hidden files/dirs - otherwise, if you are using a terminal, run "ls -al"
[04:55] <shreevatsa> wasp_ems: Files and directories beginning with a dot are hidden by default
[04:55] <closeasperil> kkathman: thanx for the effort but now things work again and not all of the settings were lost just the wallpaper and something with the controlbars, but was good not to be alone in this terrible tide of kde mess :D
[04:55] <robinl1> (sorry i keep repeating my questions, but i don't get answer often here oO)
[04:55] <Spudly> Xorg libs should be installed thru synaptic
[04:56] <robinl1> libs for kde, everything needed to compile kDE apps
[04:56] <kkathman> closeasperil:  well sorry you experienced that...unfortunately, kubuntu people always want to be one of the first to get the new KDE and this is what happens :(
[04:56] <wasp_ems> Spudly: ok now i got it..thank u..so i paste in mozilla?
[04:56] <robinl1> i mean, what packages are they?
[04:57] <Spudly> wasp_ems: in the .mozilla dir there will be a plugins directory
[04:57] <Spudly> wasp_ems: find the plugins directory, and paste into that directory - that's a plugins directory where you can put all the plugins you want
[04:57] <closeasperil> kkathman: yeah indeed...the kubuntu.de said nothing about it beeing buggy. but nevermind, ill be off, have a nice one. cheers
[04:57] <wasp_ems> Spudly: ok..very nice..but since i dont know how to do it through the terminal how can i do it?
[04:58] <kkathman> closeasperil:  good luck
[04:58] <robinl1> i mean, what packages are they?
[04:58] <closeasperil> :P
[04:58] <Spudly> robinl1: go hunting :)
[04:58] <illminime> exit
[04:58] <illminime> omg
[04:58] <shreevatsa> Katapult has two display options, "Pure Display" and "Glass display". Could someone tell me what they are?
[04:58] <Spudly> robinl1: that'll keep ya busy :P
[04:58] <Spudly> wasp_ems: do you want to use Konqueror
[04:58] <Spudly> wasp_ems: or the terminal?
[04:58] <robinl1> Spudly: no i mean what's the name of the libs
[04:59] <Riddell> shreevatsa: different eyecandy
[04:59] <wasp_ems> Spudly: the terminal so i can learn some things...i went through the terminal into the mozilla dir, into firefox but there is not plugins dir
[04:59] <shreevatsa> Riddell: I guessed as much; but I couldn't tell them apart :)
[04:59] <shreevatsa> Riddell: If I can't tell them apart, I shouldn't care about them, but I still want to know :)
[05:00] <robinl1> Spudly: no i mean what's the name of the libs
[05:00] <Spudly> wasp_ems: under the terminal, you need to find out where the file you want to copy is.... find that out, then we can use the following commands:
[05:00] <Spudly> cd .mozilla/plugins
[05:00] <Spudly> cp <filename> .
[05:00] <Spudly> robinl1: have you ever used synaptic? they'll be a list of kde-libs that you can install - a whole pike of different ones I'd imagine
[05:00] <robinl1> Spudly: i have Adept here/
[05:00] <robinl1> i installed kubuntu from scratch (kubuntu cD)
[05:01] <wasp_ems> Spudly: ok i found where they are
[05:01] <apacheLAGger> MrJangles: webmin
[05:02] <apacheLAGger> MrJangles: though you'd have to use latest from webmin.com for apache
[05:02] <MrJangles> thanks
[05:02] <Spudly> robinl1: i haven't used adept, does it give you a list of packages from different groups? (eg devel)
[05:03] <wasp_ems> Spudly: and there is no plugins directory
[05:03] <robinl1> Spudly: no
[05:03] <SeicherlBoB> Hi! when i try to burn an image with K3B, it tells me, that cdrecord has no permissions to open the device. how can i fix that
[05:04] <Spudly> wasp_ems: ok, create one
[05:04] <wasp_ems> Spudly: how do i do that?
[05:05] <Spudly> wasp_ems: should be pretty straight forward in Konqueror - check out the menu's
[05:05] <wasp_ems> yeah but through konqueror i can see them
[05:05] <wasp_ems> cant
[05:06] <Spudly> wasp_ems: if you're using konqueror, there's a menu option to 'View Hidden Files'
[05:06] <Spudly> wasp_ems: have you looked for it yet?
[05:06] <Spudly> or 'Show Hidden Files' - something like that
[05:06] <pussfeller> SeicherlBoB: i think you need to run k3b as sudo and then do the setup wizard
[05:07] <pussfeller> altho, the package should have taken care of all that
[05:07] <SeicherlBoB> when i run the wizard, the window is empty (he prompts for password before).
[05:07] <trollig> rsync frontend?
[05:07] <trollig> anybody knows one?
[05:08] <wasp_ems> Spudly: ok i did it
[05:08] <wasp_ems> Spudly: thanx
[05:08] <wasp_ems> Spudly: hopefully it will work now
[05:09] <Spudly> wasp_ems: np - i suggest you spend some time navigating around
[05:09] <Spudly> wasp_ems: get familiar with where things are, delete stuff, re-install a few times :)
[05:09] <SeicherlBoB> pussfeller: could it be the problem, that chrecord.mmap has no write for user and world?
[05:09] <Spudly> wasp_ems: i think many folk here will testify that you can learn a great deal by simply stuffing things up and realising your mistakes
[05:09] <Spudly> anyone?
[05:10] <dr_wu> spudly- yes. i contend that if you aren't inclined to mess things up for sport and education, then you should stick to windows.
[05:10] <wasp_ems> Spudly: i know but i dont have that much time to do it..i want to first fix it all up..i keep notes when i am told stuff..so i can use it perfectly and then slowly slowly i will learn
[05:10] <SeicherlBoB> dr_wu: somehow you are so right!
[05:11] <Spudly> wasp_ems: notes are great. what is restricting your time?
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[05:12] <SeicherlBoB> can anybody help me with my cd-burn prob? k3b keeps telling me, that chrecord has no rights to open the device
[05:13] <trollig> ah, grsync if anyone bothers :-)
[05:13] <SeicherlBoB> and k3bsetup will only show an empty window
[05:13] <dr_wu> SeichlerBoB- has it ever worked before?
[05:13] <SeicherlBoB> nope, my first try
[05:13] <dr_wu> SeicherlBob- then it is likely not setup properly. I would advise uninstalling, then reinstalling.
[05:14] <dr_wu> SeicherlBob- you are probably missing libraries, but thats just a guess.
[05:15] <SeicherlBoB> ah! running k3b with sudo from console helps
[05:15] <SeicherlBoB> but can i fix that anyway? cause it sucks to always start it that way.
[05:15] <dr_wu> SeicherlBob- yes, i recall that earlier versions of K3b required you to run it as root first to set it up. maybe that's what's happening here too..
[05:16] <SeicherlBoB> but when i start the setup, the window stays empty. not a single button (except "ok" and stuff)
[05:19] <dr_wu> SeicherlBob- yeah, you are probably missing some components of the program.
[05:19] <SeicherlBoB> any suggestions on howto fix that except reinstalling?
[05:19] <dr_wu> no, sorry.
[05:19] <SeicherlBoB> ok. thanks. i'll try a reinstallation.
[05:20] <dr_wu> good luck.
[05:20] <SeicherlBoB> thx. can't be that hard. its "just" k3b, not a mysql-server or anything critical
[05:20] <dabbler> what are the main improvements in KDE3.5.1 ?
[05:20] <SeicherlBoB> but, does anybody know a good reason why my thinkpad keeps hangig when leaving hibernation?
[05:21] <SeicherlBoB> all i get is a couple of strange stripes, when kubuntu is starting.
[05:23] <wasp_ems> does anyone know how i can run a program from windows into linux?
[05:24] <pussfeller> either vmware or use wine and cross yer fingers and cuss alot
[05:24] <wasp_ems> thanx
[05:24] <pussfeller> actually alot of programs work fine with wine
[05:25] <wasp_ems> and how can i change the permissions from a file??
[05:25] <SeicherlBoB> chmod <options> file
[05:25] <SeicherlBoB> wasp_ems: and check "man chmod" for the option-stuff.
[05:25] <pussfeller> either 'man chmod' or right click on it in konqy and "properties"
[05:26] <wasp_ems> can you make that litle clearer
[05:26] <SeicherlBoB> find the file in konqueror
[05:26] <SeicherlBoB> rightclick => properties
[05:26] <Spudly> hehehe
[05:26] <SeicherlBoB> and look
[05:27] <Spudly> SeicherlBoB: do you feel like you're giving a Windows 95 tutorial?
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> a bit
[05:27] <pussfeller> pussfeller prepares to discourse about user,group and other
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> OR (the real way): goto console (shell) and type "man chmod"
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> and read carefully
[05:27] <MrJangles> is there a graphical html prog out for linux?
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> MrJangles: prog?
[05:28] <MrJangles> program
[05:28] <Spudly> MrJangles: give a windows equivalent
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> MrJangles: you mean a wysiwyg?
[05:28] <pussfeller> MrJangles: nvu i think
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> LOL
[05:28] <MrJangles> front page, dreamweaver
[05:28] <Spudly> MrJangles: try 'vim' :P
[05:28] <pussfeller> openoffice does some html
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> Spudly: yeah!
[05:28] <dabbler> I have a Benq DW1640 (DVD writer) that hangs k3b requiring a hard reset........any advice?
[05:28] <Spudly> SeicherlBoB: hehe
[05:28] <trollig> MrJangles: maybe they'll provide frontpage for linux anytime soon :-)
[05:29] <MrJangles> lol
[05:29] <trollig> MrJangles: but you may have a look at quanta
[05:29] <Spudly> MrJangles: you could use the Composer that comes with Mozilla
[05:29] <pussfeller> dreamweaver runs in wine too , at least a few version i think
[05:29] <SeicherlBoB> trollig: never ever will i use this bunch of ........ ******
[05:29] <MrJangles> pussfeller: ya i was thinking of that
[05:29] <pussfeller> also bluefish
[05:29] <trollig> SeicherlBoB: oho!!
[05:30] <pussfeller> but i would just use vim or kate
[05:30] <MrJangles> bluefish doesnt have a graphic interface to create tables does it?
[05:30] <MrJangles> i just like making my tables with software, saves me time
[05:30] <dabbler> *i'm wondering what this does
[05:30] <`Nomad> !skype
[05:30] <ubotu> skype is, like, totally, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[05:30] <MrJangles> but if dreamweaver works in wine, even better
[05:31] <`Nomad> not the latest though
[05:31] <`Nomad> usually older versions
[05:31] <MrJangles> dw 4
[05:31] <Spudly> later fellas and ladies
[05:31] <trollig> SeicherlBoB: I get my html templates together in quanta to integrate them in some cms (typo3 preferably) and it works fine.
[05:31] <`Nomad> NVU is wysiwyg but ...
[05:31] <MrJangles> i dont like the newer versions
[05:31] <trollig> beside the frequent crashes :-)
[05:31] <`Nomad> Quanta seems to be it! yes
[05:31] <MrJangles> i'll check out this Quanta too :)
[05:32] <`Nomad> Anyone using skype here?  I get the weirdest feedback, like my soundcard line pipes in to my mic line.. unuseable :(
[05:32] <`Nomad> I'm using headphones
[05:32] <dabbler> switch the speakers off :)
[05:32] <SeicherlBoB> trollig: i use ultraedit in windoze to make my php-sites.
[05:33] <`Nomad> Oh.. For web development, anyone using Eclipse with the php plugin?  I'm seting it up now to see..
[05:33] <trollig> SeicherlBoB: and I don't use windows if I can help it :-)
[05:33] <`Nomad> dabbler: headphones, no speakers.. At both ends
[05:33] <trollig> SeicherlBoB: but I do nevertheless. Occasionally
[05:33] <`Nomad> trollig: I installed qemu with win98 last night, to have IE 6 for testing,.  Pretty good, and free! :)
[05:34] <SeicherlBoB> trollig: i'm trying to get rid of it ;)
[05:34] <trollig> `Nomad: I run win on vmware if I really need it
[05:34] <`Nomad> trollig; I'd love to be able to compare qemu with vmware on my machine..
[05:34] <`Nomad> humm.. I shoudl look if they have a trial
[05:35] <dabbler> 'full-duplex' comes to mind
[05:36] <mariusz> alo
[05:37] <`Nomad> dabbler: Good point, thanks..
[05:37] <mariusz> czy jest mi ktos w stanie pomuc??
[05:37] <`Nomad> where do I see this setting for full or half-duplex?  Not in kmix is it?
[05:37] <`Nomad> !cz
[05:37] <ubotu> `Nomad: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:37] <`Nomad> oh well, i tried :)
[05:38] <flipjarg> Does anyone know if that spell checking thing in Konqueror works in any other web browsers?
[05:38] <brodel> in line spell checking? I haven't seen it anywhere else, but I wish firefox had it.
[05:38] <rysiek> hi there guys
[05:38] <rysiek> having a little problem here
[05:38] <`Nomad> In sources.list, can we have  a list of mirrors for a repo?
[05:38] <dabbler> system settings - sound & multimedia
[05:38] <flipjarg> Yeah, i wanted to get it working in Firefox.
[05:38] <flipjarg> Oh well.
[05:39] <dabbler> sound system -> hardware
[05:39] <rysiek> when I boot-up Kubuntu from GRUB, I get a kernel panic
[05:39] <rysiek> (where on earth have I written the err msg?)
[05:39] <`Nomad> dabbler: Full-duplex is unchecked.. Should it be?
[05:40] <dabbler> probably not
[05:40] <`Nomad> ok
[05:40] <dabbler> mine isn't
[05:40] <`Nomad> I also wish teh mic would work liek it did in windows, be muted by default, and turned on by teh app when in use..
[05:41] <`Nomad> Is that teh way it works in kubuntu too?  If so I probably need to look at the whole sound config on my system
[05:42] <dabbler> using laptop or pc ?
[05:42] <`Nomad> PC
[05:42] <`Nomad> Audigy card
[05:42] <rysiek> ok, whatever, trying again and this time writing the msg down somewhere at hand ;)
[05:42] <rysiek> cu later
[05:42] <`Nomad> The sound system is a mystery to me, old sysadmin guy
[05:43] <dabbler> laptop has mike......just wobdering if you had 2 mics open
[05:43] <dabbler> wondering
[05:43] <`Nomad> good point too
[05:43] <`Nomad> but no :)
[05:43] <dabbler> mids gone blank  :)
[05:43] <dabbler> minds
[05:43] <flipjarg> i just visited the Firfox IRC channel on irc.firefox.com
[05:44] <`Nomad> Hum... I have headphones, so teh speakers don,t make a sound, but I had VLC streaming a radio station and my buddy on teh other side coul dhear the music..
[05:44] <flipjarg> they said in firefox 2 the inline spellchecker will be there
[05:44] <`Nomad> I have misdirections somewhere
[05:44] <dabbler> strange
[05:44] <`Nomad> Under Audio Device, it's set to auto..
[05:44] <`Nomad> maybe I shoudl force it in to one selection
[05:45] <`Nomad> OSS or ALSA?
[05:45] <dabbler> experiment  :))
[05:45] <`Nomad> I am :)
[05:46] <dabbler> mute your mike and talk  :))
[05:46] <`Nomad> I'm really impressed with how ahead linux finally is fo ra desktop.. I plugged in a USB scanner earlier and it just worked.. :)
[05:46] <`Nomad> If I could only convinve my printer to do th esame.. Damn you CUPS!!!!  :)
[05:46] <dabbler> Kubuntu is awesome
[05:47] <`Nomad> I wonder if it,d be worth it to switch from qemu to kqemu (with the accelarator)
[05:47] <dabbler> my DVD writer hangs my pc tho  (Benq DW1640)  :((
[05:47] <`Nomad> anyone using it?
[05:47] <dabbler> nope
[05:47] <`Nomad> it's a new DVD model?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> `Nomad: re printer - sometimes choosing a different driver works
[05:47] <dabbler> dont even use skype  :)
[05:48] <`Nomad> Love the nick:  A reference to Thoreau teh wroter?
[05:48] <dabbler> bought it last year Dec
[05:48] <`Nomad> writer?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> `Nomad: think "Civil Disobedience", not "Walden" ;)
[05:48] <`Nomad> both ar egood!! ;)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> indeed
[05:49] <`Nomad> Are you a fan of Ishmael as well?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> heh - not familiar with that one
[05:49] <`Nomad> Daniel Quinn.  Very good, must read!
[05:49] <dabbler> the writer hangs linux totally :(
[05:49] <`Nomad> dabbler: so you can read and all, but not use it to burn
[05:49] <`Nomad> :(
[05:50] <`Nomad> kind asucks as a writer..
[05:50] <`Nomad> not Quiin, the DVDwriter :)
[05:50] <thoreauputic> we gathered ;)
[05:51] <kkathman> hey thoreauputic ;:)
[05:52] <kkathman> cheers mate
[05:52] <thoreauputic> kkathman: hi there :)
[05:52] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  how ya be? ok?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> kkathman: not bad -rather busy lately
[05:52] <kkathman> well thats better than the alternative :)
[05:52] <dabbler> hangs when i open previous session........my Sony CDR works fine
[05:52] <thoreauputic> indeed
[05:54] <dabbler> have to use the Sony for backups etc
[05:55] <dabbler> keep on having to swop drives which is a pain
[05:55] <kkathman> I love that topic - "kword slightly broken"
[05:55] <kkathman> they KNOW that and release it?
[05:55] <dabbler> be specific :))
[05:55] <kkathman> got news for em...3.5.1 is "slightly broken" too :)
[05:55] <kkathman> hehe
[05:55] <dabbler> lol
[05:56] <`Nomad> slightly???? :)
[05:56] <dabbler> any major improvements
[05:56] <kkathman> hehe ok
[05:56] <kkathman> slightly is relative I suppose
[05:56] <`Nomad> I lost xmms, krita, and a few others I forget..
[05:56] <dabbler> maybe my DVD writer will work  :))
[05:57] <`Nomad> If you rub two DVD-R together and wish really hard!! :)
[05:57] <dabbler> lol
[05:57] <kkathman> `Nomad:  my desktops got rearranged, kicker faulted and showed up skewed, and kvirc now does wierd things
[05:58] <kkathman> it wasnt a great moment in the history of Kubuntu
[05:58] <kkathman> and my problems seem to be minor compared to others
[05:58] <dabbler> is it an offial release...or testing?
[05:58] <`Nomad> officially testing I think ;)(
[05:58] <dabbler> lol
[05:59] <kkathman> `Nomad:  the Microsoft approach - release it and let everyone beta it for us
[05:59] <dabbler> lol
[05:59] <`Nomad> is there news of coming fixes then? anyone heard anything?
[05:59] <kkathman> IBM used to do that too
[06:00] <kkathman> `Nomad:  well yah... remove your 3.5.1 repository and do a --reinstall kubuntu-desktop :)
[06:00] <kkathman> hehe
[06:00] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> hey everyon
[06:00] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> e
[06:00] <dabbler> hey there
[06:00] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I have just installed ati drivers on breezy
[06:01] <`Nomad> kkathman: really?? It,s that easy?
[06:01] <dabbler> dont have one  :)
[06:01] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> but am having troubles running the aticonfig as it requested at the end of the installation
[06:01] <paulvolk> Hey
[06:01] <`Nomad> I wouldn't lose anythign added on since?  Which is not much anyway... Hummmmm
[06:01] <paulvolk> How would I configure what OS grub picks by default?
[06:02] <`Nomad> paul: /boot/grub/grub.conf I believe
[06:02] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> when I try to "sudo sh aticonfig" it says it cannot execute binary file
[06:02] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: hi!
[06:02] <paulvolk> Hi
[06:02] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> how do I run aticonfig?
[06:02] <dabbler> have you upgraded recently ?
[06:02] <SeicherlBoB> does anybody know a good reason why my thinkpad keeps hangig when leaving hibernation?
[06:02] <SeicherlBoB> all i get is a couple of strange stripes, when kubuntu is starting.
[06:02] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: so how is it working for you?
[06:02] <paulvolk> beefsprocket: Thanks I got it running.
[06:02] <paulvolk> It is great
[06:02] <`Nomad> RUFF; you lose the app in a shell you can't see..
[06:02] <beefsprocket> good good
[06:03] <`Nomad> what,s the command to su to root teh right way?
[06:03] <paulvolk> thinking about switching my other linux to Kubuntu now
[06:03] <dabbler> sudi su
[06:03] <`Nomad> paulvolk:  You should! :)
[06:03] <dabbler> sudo dsu
[06:03] <dabbler> sudo su    jeez
[06:03] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> 'Nomad, what do you mean I lose the app in a shell?
[06:03] <`Nomad> not sudo su -    ?
[06:03] <`Nomad> running sh before the command
[06:04] <`Nomad> sorry, I can't seem to explain it better
[06:04] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> 'Nomad, can you give me an example of how I should run aticonfig?
[06:04] <paulvolk> do you run Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[06:04] <`Nomad> I am still pretty high from my coffe.. I have to cut back on teh stuff..
[06:04] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> lol
[06:04] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I'm running Kubuntu
[06:04] <paulvolk> cool
[06:04] <`Nomad> did you try " sudo aticonfig "
[06:05] <`Nomad> why sh?
[06:05] <paulvolk> What would I do to change the Grub defaut to select windows instead of Linux?
[06:05] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> 'Nomad, because I don't know what I'm doing =)
[06:05] <`Nomad> LOL
[06:05] <`Nomad> well you're honest, that's great!  LOL
[06:05] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> haha
[06:05] <dabbler> change order in grub
[06:05] <paulvolk> Ya how?
[06:05] <`Nomad> do sudo aticonfig then
[06:06] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I just tried "sudo aticonfig" and it says error while loading shared libraries libfglrx_pp.so cannot open shared object file: no such file or dir
[06:06] <dabbler> use 'kdesu kwrite' and open grub
[06:07] <paulvolk> ok
[06:07] <paulvolk> where is grub located?
[06:07] <dabbler> but be careful  :)
[06:07] <paulvolk> I will
[06:07] <`Nomad> RUFF: There, it works, but you're missing some libraries..
[06:08] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> looks like I'm missig the openGL libs
[06:08] <dabbler> goto '/boot/grub/menu.lst'
[06:08] <`Nomad> try RUFF: yup
[06:08] <`Nomad> yes, menu.lst!
[06:08] <`Nomad> thanks
[06:09] <rysiek> hi again - no luck
[06:09] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> when I run fglrxinfo it says extension "XFRee86-DRI" missing on display":0.0"
[06:09] <rysiek> here's the problem again:
[06:09] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> so it looks as if I have the drivers, but they are not properly configured
[06:09] <rysiek> when I boot-up Kubuntu from GRUB, I get:
[06:09] <rysiek> Kernel panic - not syncing: I/O error reading memory image
[06:10] <rysiek> and then system stops - have to reboot. now i'm on Kubuntu Live
[06:10] <rysiek> any ideas?
[06:10] <dabbler> thats a nasty one :(
[06:10] <`Nomad> I know nothign about teh sound system.. :(   Are ALSA and OSS supposed to be exclusive?
[06:10] <rysiek> thx dabbler
[06:10] <rysiek> I whink I knwo that already ;)
[06:10] <dabbler> lol
[06:10] <`Nomad> !glx
[06:10] <ubotu> `Nomad: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:10] <`Nomad> !opengl
[06:10] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[06:11] <`Nomad> lol
[06:11] <rysiek> dabbler: any ideas? googling right now maybe
[06:11] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> how do I get the libfglrx libraries?
[06:11] <rysiek> I will find something
[06:12] <dabbler> no idea about that one !
[06:12] <rysiek> why oh why did I want to mangle with GNU/Hurd today?.. :)
[06:12] <ninnghizidha> Hello! I got problems with Kopete: KDE restarts immediatly when I open a Chat-window.
[06:12] <`Nomad> rysiek: From now on I'm gonna test new OS in qemu if they run there
[06:12] <ninnghizidha> i got no idea how to fix it.
[06:13] <rysiek> Nomad: does QEMU run on Kubuntu? :)
[06:13] <asraniel> i installed the ATI drivers, now all fonts are too big, what can i do?
[06:13] <rysiek> I thought it's MacOS X specific
[06:13] <`Nomad> rysiek: yes, discoevered that yesterday, running win98 now in it's own little prison!!  hehehehe
[06:13] <`Nomad> !qemu
[06:13] <ubotu> qemu is, like, an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[06:14] <_robin> i installed the kde libs but still when i compile i get errors
[06:14] <`Nomad> and pearpc to run OS X
[06:14] <_robin> make[2] : *** Geen regel voor aanmaken doel `/usr/lib/libkickermain.la', nodig voor `kblogger_panelapplet.la'.  Stop.
[06:14] <_robin> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger/src'
[06:14] <_robin> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Fout 1
[06:14] <_robin> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger'
[06:14] <_robin> make: *** [all]  Fout 2
[06:14] <_robin> it's dutch :p
[06:14] <`Nomad> no kidding
[06:14] <`Nomad> LOL
[06:14] <rysiek> 'Nomad: ROTFLMAO :] 
[06:14] <`Nomad> looks like you need the kde libs
[06:14] <`Nomad> but I forget
[06:15] <_robin> "No rule for creating target `/usr/lib/libkickermain.la', needed for `kblogger_panelapplet.la'.  Stop.
[06:15] <`Nomad> I had that a week ago..
[06:15] <_robin> yea..
[06:15] <rysiek> 'Nomad: well, I don't think anything can surprise me since my friend shown me a scrnshot:
[06:15] <_robin> where to get em?
[06:15] <rysiek> 'Nomad: Win98SE installer(!) run in QEMU on Mac
[06:15] <paulvolk> ok guys I opened up that grub menu.lst but I have no idea how to specify the default or how to change it to windows
[06:15] <`Nomad> top of the file, line is default  0
[06:15] <`Nomad> or somethign like it
[06:16] <paulvolk> Ya it is default 0
[06:16] <paulvolk> what do I change that to?
[06:16] <paulvolk> or how do I know what to change it to?
[06:16] <`Nomad> so in teh list of blocks below, pick th eone you want to eb teh default, an duse that number.. it counts from 0
[06:16] <`Nomad> oh well that's up to you :(
[06:16] <`Nomad> let me look at mine..
[06:16] <`Nomad> brb
[06:16] <_robin> how to get the kde libs?
[06:17] <ninnghizidha> adfsasf
[06:17] <paulvolk> What? I see no numbers where are they?
[06:17] <_robin> how to get the kde libs?
[06:18] <`Nomad> no numbers no, you have to count them down.. Basically, try with 1, which shoudl be teh next kernel down teh list right?
[06:18] <paulvolk> ya
[06:18] <paulvolk> but do I start form 0 or one?
[06:18] <`Nomad> best to read the docs of course, one wrong step an dyou'll have to boot with the rescur option from the CD/DVD
[06:18] <`Nomad> from 0 I would think, since it is already at 0 :)
[06:18] <`Nomad> !grub
[06:18] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[06:19] <paulvolk> ok
[06:20] <_robin> how to get the kde libs?
[06:20] <apacheLAGger> nope
[06:20] <apacheLAGger> kdebase-dev
[06:20] <apacheLAGger> apt-get install kdebase-dev
[06:20] <`Nomad> yes, that sounds right
[06:21] <apacheLAGger> then you also will need libkonq4-dev I guess
[06:21] <`Nomad> I always forget those
[06:21] <apacheLAGger> btw
[06:21] <apacheLAGger> I'm working on a deb right now
[06:22] <`Nomad> rysiek: What was in the screenshot your friend showed you?
[06:22] <rysiek> [18:15]  <rysiek> 'Nomad: Win98SE installer(!) run in QEMU on Mac
[06:22] <`Nomad> ahh yes.. :)
[06:22] <paulvolk> Hey Guys when will Kubuntu release a update to update KDE 3.4 to 3.5?
[06:22] <`Nomad> Works fine with Xp too, but can't find my CD
[06:23] <`Nomad> paulvolk: Are you kidding?
[06:23] <paulvolk> no I was realy asking?
[06:23] <paulvolk> I don't know anything about this... that is why I am asking
[06:23] <`Nomad> yup, trying to find the rigth link
[06:23] <`Nomad> !kde
[06:23] <ubotu> hmm... kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[06:24] <`Nomad> nope
[06:24] <rysiek> looks like no kernel_panic-mastahs around here
[06:24] <_robin> make[2] : *** Geen regel voor aanmaken doel `/usr/lib/libkonq.la', nodig voor `kblogger_panelapplet.la'.  Stop.
[06:24] <_robin> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger/src'
[06:24] <_robin> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Fout 1
[06:24] <_robin> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger'
[06:24] <_robin> make: *** [all]  Fout 2
[06:24] <rysiek> m'kay, googling :/
[06:24] <asraniel> stop pasting!!!
[06:24] <apacheLAGger> rysiek: dude
[06:24] <apacheLAGger> read what I wrote
[06:24] <apacheLAGger> [18:21]  <apacheLAGger> then you also will need libkonq4-dev I guess
[06:24] <rysiek> didnt notice, sry man
[06:24] <`Nomad> paulvolk: you just need to add the 3.5 repository in your sources and do a dist-upgrade
[06:24] <_robin> sorry
[06:24] <`Nomad> I woudl stay away from 3.5.1 rigth now, still weird
[06:25] <paulvolk> what is the repository?
[06:25] <rysiek> apacheLAGer: wtf do I need this one?
[06:25] <gumpo> Hey, I noticed in a lot of screens of KDE there were cool widgets and such on the desktop. How do i go about getting some?
[06:25] <asraniel> i installed the ATI drivers, now all fonts are too big, what can i do?
[06:25] <apacheLAGger> rysiek: this package includes libkonq.la
[06:25] <apacheLAGger> and it is needed because it provides proxy support
[06:26] <apacheLAGger> and kblogger 0.4 uses the kde proxy settings
[06:26] <rysiek> apacheLAGger: erm... man, I am getting a kernel panic during booting
[06:26] <`Nomad> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[06:26] <rysiek> why on EARTH would I need proxy? :] 
[06:26] <`Nomad> ryseik: You're on EARTH???
[06:27] <`Nomad> :)
[06:27] <`Nomad> sorry, caffeine
[06:27] <rysiek> 'Nomad: nope, I'm actually on Alpha Centarui, but shshshs
[06:27] <apachelogger> `Nomad: it's Kaffeine :P
[06:27] <`Nomad> lol
[06:27] <apachelogger> and I think codeine is even better :D
[06:27] <rysiek> when my parents find me i'm dead
[06:27] <rysiek> ;)
[06:27] <`Nomad> yup...
[06:28] <rysiek> whatever - I need some kerneline to get my panicalline go to hell ;)
[06:28] <`Nomad> paulvolk: you know what to do?
[06:28] <rysiek> anyone knows where to fond some good kernelline?
[06:28] <`Nomad> well I'm lost now.. :)
[06:29] <paulvolk> I I know
[06:29] <paulvolk> Yup
[06:29] <paulvolk> thanks
[06:32] <`Nomad> kkathman: So if I comment out the 3.5.1 repos, re-add the 3.5 one, update and do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  I should be back using 3.5?  No harm done?
[06:32] <`Nomad> oh wait, a --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:32] <lordrich> hi!
[06:32] <`Nomad> I see, didn,t knwo that option
[06:33] <`Nomad> hi
[06:33] <lordrich> its a english channel!?
[06:33] <`Nomad> no, that,s a body of water in Europe..
[06:33] <`Nomad> Oh yes., it is.. :)
[06:33] <rysiek> OH YOU BASTARD! I think I got the kernel panic by the balls :] 
[06:33] <pipoun> hello
[06:33] <lordrich> that isnt good... because i have a big problem with i kubuntu and im german ;)
[06:33] <pipoun> anyone experiencing problems withkde and dual head?
[06:33] <`Nomad> lordrich: looking for a particular lang?
[06:33] <rysiek> grasping it reeaal tight
[06:34] <`Nomad> !de
[06:34] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:34] <lordrich> oh thx
[06:34] <`Nomad> dankeschund I think
[06:34] <`Nomad> ;)
[06:34] <lordrich> dankeschn ;)
[06:34] <`Nomad> thanks :)
[06:34] <lordrich> but "danke" is the short version of the word!
[06:35] <`Nomad> ahhh
[06:35] <lordrich> its more in use
[06:35] <asraniel> i installed the ATI drivers, now all fonts are too big, what can i do?
[06:35] <`Nomad> I think they're very busy inthat channel too.. :)  Kubuntu must be kicking Suse's butt!!  LOL
[06:35] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I installed the ATI drivers but still cannot get the ATICONFIG to run
[06:36] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> 'Nomad, I checked the lib for the ati drivers and the one that it says it cannot run is there
[06:36] <rysiek> RUFF: man, you have about 2 months of fighting to get your ATI card to work
[06:36] <`Nomad> !ati
[06:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:37] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> rysiek, really? The installer was very elegant up until this point
[06:37] <rysiek> yeah, was :)
[06:37] <`Nomad> All show and no go?
[06:37] <lordrich> i have problems with me Nvidia Geforce Go 6200 ... i have grafic problems and i cant install the right drivers
[06:37] <SeicherlBoB> does anybody know a good reason why my thinkpad keeps hangig when leaving hibernation?
[06:37] <SeicherlBoB> all i get is a couple of strange stripes, when kubuntu is starting.
[06:38] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf (That might work, thanks 'Nomad!)
[06:38] <`Nomad> lordrich: You can install the nvidia drivers straight from their website right?
[06:38] <rysiek> RUFFyamahaRYDER: love to help, gimme 10mins and if my kernel panic problem will be solved (and I believe it will), I'll get back and help
[06:38] <XTender> would superkaramba work with kubuntu?
[06:38] <rysiek> ok, testing the solution for this bloody kernel panic, cu later - hopefully from my sleek dark Kubuntu ;)
[06:38] <pipoun> XTender: yes
[06:38] <lordrich> nomad: what i have to do??
[06:38] <`Nomad> Xtender: why not? :)
[06:38] <lordrich> it isnt easy for me to install new drivers ...
[06:39] <XTender> i just installed kubuntu yesterday so I have alot of questions
[06:39] <XTender> first time with linux
[06:39] <`Nomad> Get teh linux drivers from nvidia, run them from a shell prompt, follow instructions
[06:39] <XTender> i'm trying to install gcc
[06:40] <`Nomad> Xtender:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com  is a great place to know   ;)
[06:40] <XTender> and i've installed it through adept
[06:40] <`Nomad> ubuntu = kubuntu = happy you!
[06:40] <XTender> but when I go to konsole and type "gcc -v" its says not found
[06:40] <`Nomad> ubotu tell Xtender about build-essential
[06:40] <lordrich> the driver name is "nvida" and when iam change "nv" to the new "nvida" driver i cant load kde
[06:40] <`Nomad> ubotu tell Xtender about gcc
[06:41] <XTender> i typed in man gcc and it says no entry
[06:41] <SeicherlBoB> can i tell kubuntu to run a programm with sudo? (except starting via console)?
[06:41] <pipoun> PRoblem: I've made an updateof kde
[06:41] <XTender> but i'm looking through adept and it says that its installed
[06:41] <`Nomad> Well I have to go and reinstall KDE 3.5, so long..
[06:41] <pipoun> and I have lost my window decoration on one screen as I am on dual screen
[06:42] <pipoun> the langages are different
[06:42] <pipoun> and some other bugs
[06:45] <_robin> kdelibs4-dev ain't the right one.. :S
[06:46] <`Nomad_Away> kkathman: Are you around?
[06:47] <`Nomad_Away> kkathman: do I have to remove kubuntu-desktop first in order to be able to reinstall 3.5?
[06:50] <scriptlogger> _robin: for?
[06:55] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I think I found the answer to my ATI problem
[06:56] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I had to select a linux driver for my specific Breezy installation
[06:56] <notech> hello
[06:56] <SeicherlBoB> RUFFyamahaRYDER: did you find the article in the wiki?
[06:56] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> hi
[06:56] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> yes
[06:56] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> that is what I am using
[06:56] <notech> could someone tell me where and how can i disable a linux process?
[06:58] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> rebooting... hopefully this did the trick
[06:58] <notech> could someone assist me in this operation? i think i have too many processes loaded (default installation of kubuntu) probably i dont need them all
[06:58] <sampan> notech  graphically: kysysguard has a process table.  cli: ps aux to get a list of current processes
[06:59] <notech> i see ksys.. but how do i make them not to boot the next time linux is started?
[06:59] <sampan> but unless you know what the processes are, or aren't afraid of your system being unstable, don't go just killing random ones -- many of them are important to smooth operation
[07:00] <sampan> notech  that's system settings --> system services
[07:00] <notech> could i ask here for some processes i think are not strictly necessary?
[07:00] <notech> artsd?
[07:00] <`Nomad_Away> !kubuntu-desktop
[07:00] <ubotu> `Nomad_Away: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:00] <notech> atd?
[07:01] <ninnghizidha> Hello! My Kopete crashs when composite is enabled. I'm looking for a workaround.
[07:01] <sampan> notech, artsd = sound -- so if you want sound it's important (unless you switch to another sound server, which many recommend)  ... (btw google is your friend on process names)
[07:01] <notech> any site where is an explanation about single process?
[07:02] <notech> thanx
[07:02] <notech> googling.. :)
[07:03] <sampan> notech  having switched not long ago from windows to linux, my impression is that linux has a lot more processes up than winxp did for me.  almost all of them are not active at any given time however.  unless you're having problems, i wouldn't worry too much about the # being high
[07:03] <notech> so..i found i dont need cupsd (dont use printer while on linux) how to disable it permanently?
[07:05] <notech> sure? ..while on windows my notebook is quiete warm..but on linux it is going hot! what problem can be? processes seem to use 3% of cpu max..
[07:06] <Brez> are your fans running? :D
[07:06] <notech> want to install kubuntu to an old pc too,thought that disabling some processes could make the computer some faster than by default installation
[07:06] <sampan> might be a fan controller not kicking in often enough.  ?  not sure.  (my laptop running hoary runs cooler and less fan than with windows.)  since the cpu usage is so low, i doubt the temp problem is process-related
[07:06] <notech> lol
[07:07] <_robin> DAMN
[07:07] <_robin> noatun keeps crashing
[07:07] <notech> yeah..it gets really hot but the fan are running at max
[07:08] <notech> could is be by more RAM used than on Windows?
[07:09] <apacheLAGger> _robin: noatun?
[07:09] <apacheLAGger> why are you using noatun?
[07:09] <sampan> notech, ahhh ... linux defintely uses RAM more efficiently than windows (i.e., if you have 512 megs, it will use almost all of it,  only emptying RAM when it's needed for a new app) ... you can turn off services at system settings --> system services ... use administrator mode and then disable the ones you don't want at bootup time
[07:10] <notech> could disabing some services will speed up a pc? at least the boot time?
[07:11] <ninnghizidha> there is a great how-to for this at the tips-and-tricks-forum, notech
[07:11] <sampan> sure -- to some degree -- i dunno how much though -- i reboot like once every 4-6 months, so i never even notice boot-time ;x
[07:12] <pipoun> help: I've lost my window decoration on one of my dual screen !
[07:12] <pipoun> <hen I've upgraded to breezy
[07:13] <kernel_i386> how do I downgrade packages (dapper back to breezy distri)?
[07:14] <XTender> how do i install vlc for kubuntu?
[07:15] <sampan> xtender, vlc is in the repos.  use adept, aptitude, or sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:15] <XTender> i don't see vlc in adept
[07:16] <kernel_i386> is it best way to reinstall kubuntu instead of manually downgrad each package?
[07:16] <cinder> can sbdy tell me a repository for latest kde?
[07:16] <sampan> notech, here's a forum thread you may want to look at to speed up your boot: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[07:17] <sampan> xtender  then most likely you need to enable the repositories (universe and multiverse) -- have you done that?
[07:18] <XTender> sampan when i go to repos, i don't see any reference to multiverse
[07:18] <XTender> sampan i see a couple universe
[07:18] <kernel_i386> is it possible to use firefox 1.5 with breezy?
[07:19] <cinder> can sbdy tell me a repository for latest kde?
[07:19] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I got the ati drivers to work via the ones from ubuntu
[07:20] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> but when I run an openGL screen saver it is really slow...
[07:20] <kernel_i386> atm there are questions than answers :P or people who could answer :D
[07:20] <cinder> can sbdy tell me a repository for latest kde?
[07:20] <kernel_i386> is it possible to use firefox 1.5 with breezy?
[07:20] <kernel_i386> :D
[07:21] <XTender> could i just go to the website and download vlc?
[07:21] <sampan> xtender  okay, on every line that ends with "universe", ADD "multiverse" -- and then make sure they are all ENABLED.  at the top of the list, make sure the CDROM is DISABLED
[07:21] <XTender> but there are difference versions of it
[07:22] <XTender> do i enter in "multiverse next to "universe"?
[07:22] <sampan> kernel_i386  yes, firefox 1.5 works with breezy (though i haven't done it -- lots have)
[07:22] <XTender> so it'll look like "universe multiverse"?
[07:22] <sampan> !firefox 1.5
[07:22] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sampan
[07:22] <sampan> !firefox1.5
[07:22] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:22] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I have installed 1.5
[07:22] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> works fine
[07:23] <sampan> xtender, yep - that's exactly right!  :)  make sure they're all enabled, commit the changes, and then 'fetch updates'
[07:25] <XTender> sampan thanks, it worked!
[07:25] <sampan> :D
[07:25] <sampan> enjoy!
[07:25] <XTender> sampan just curious, what is multiverse do?
[07:25] <aitor> hi, I've got a problem with usb pen devices
[07:26] <sampan> xtender, it's just a different repository.  ubuntu sorts the packages into different categories, main, restricted, universe, multiverse.  so it's a category of packages
[07:26] <XTender> i c
[07:26] <aitor> if I let kde mount it using fstab as  base, it mounts the device as readonly even though the fstab line has the options noauto,rw,exec,users
[07:27] <aitor> but if I mount with sudo mount -t vfat -w /dev/sda /mnt/iso it will have write permissions
[07:27] <aitor> which could be the reason for this?
[07:27] <notech> helo! me again..have a new problem to solve with your help
[07:28] <sampan> aitor  usb devices are mounted dynamically -- they shouldn't be in your fstab i don't think.
[07:28] <notech> in kde if i click to a game or some other links they are not working..what could it be?
[07:29] <notech> in kde menu..
[07:29] <notech> Kde start or how is this called
[07:29] <aitor> sampan, that's the way it should work, but if I don't add the fstab line, konqueror complains about /media/sda not existing, even though it exists
[07:30] <sampan> notech, that's called the "kmenu".  are there any error msgs when you click on things?  have you tried starting programs in konsole (type the name usually) to see if there are any errors?
[07:30] <aitor> nops, that's not the error... it complains about "cannot find sda at fstab or mstab"
[07:30] <sampan> aitor  yeah, some people have a bug with konq and /media/ (i'm one of those people actually). but even if konq complains when it tries to auto-display the device, it's still mounted and available.
[07:31] <notech> no,nothing heppening after i click..this happens on some programs not all..they were working time ago..
[07:31] <beefsprocket> sampan, aitor: does getting rid of ivman help?
[07:32] <sampan> notech, try opening a console and typing the name of a program that doesn't launch from kmenu in there -- see what it says
[07:32] <notech> how do i start for example frozen-bubble in console
[07:33] <aitor> beefsprocket, i'll take a look
[07:33] <sampan> beefsprocket  i dunno.  personally it's never bothered me since i use a diff file manager anyway (krusader), so i just ignore konq complaining that it doesn't exist in /media/ -- the devices are always mounted and ready to go
[07:33] <notech> i have uninstalled and installed again all not working progs..with apt-get..
[07:33] <aitor> in last months i've had too little time, and my kubuntu needs a little fix right now
[07:33] <beefsprocket> sampan: krusader rocks :)
[07:33] <notech> no positive results
[07:34] <aitor> when will dapper come out?
[07:34] <aitor> april?
[07:34] <sampan> beefsprocket  yeah it does -- krusader + krename = heaven in renaming all those mp3 files *blissful sigh*
[07:34] <notech> this happened after i changed the default runlevel..my computer boots on console now and only then i startx with sudo command
[07:35] <sampan> notech  you shouldn't startx with sudo ... that seems odd
[07:35] <notech> how do i?
[07:35] <sampan> just "startx" should bring up X as a normal user
[07:36] <notech> no,because it says i need root privileges to start it..or something like that
[07:36] <aitor> notech i had a month ago an issue with X...the solution was to destroy and then recreate the problematic user
[07:37] <notech> ?? maybe i can restore my previous runlevel and the problem will go away?
[07:37] <aitor> try so
[07:37] <notech> what was the default runlevel,3?
[07:38] <sampan> i think it's level 2 -- but in ubuntu all runlevels are the same by default
[07:39] <notech> thank you will try
[07:39] <sampan> as that great paragon of ubuntu-knowledge and virtue, Mr. nalioth, once said: "ubuntu doesn't play those runlevel games!"
[07:39] <beefsprocket> does anyone else get clipped sounds in kde 3.5.1? -- like the end of sounds just cut off
[07:40] <aitor> lately I'm having problems with damned artsd sound server
[07:40] <aitor> arstd and amarok
[07:40] <beefsprocket> ? I like gstreamer and amarok
[07:40] <paulvolk> Hello
[07:40] <beefsprocket> hello
[07:41] <monteiro> i've a dns server, that i edit, but after a while because of dhcp the dns changes to a wrong dns adress, how do i make to stay with the same dns servers without this updating ?
[07:41] <paulvolk> I have been haveing some problems adding more user accounts
[07:41] <aitor> i've tried, and installed amarok gstreamer plugin, but it won't appear on the dropdown list to select a sound server
[07:41] <aitor> only arts
[07:41] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: such as?
[07:41] <beefsprocket> aitor: that's strange -- have you tried uninstalling amarok-arts
[07:41] <beefsprocket> ?
[07:42] <sampan> i use xine with amarok -- works great thus far.  maybe it's my 10 year old sblive card, but i've never had a sound issue with kubuntu on it
[07:42] <beefsprocket> hmm, I also can't get kdevelop3 to install
[07:42] <beefsprocket> sampan: I need gstreamer because it supports http authentication
[07:43] <sampan> beefsprocket  ahhhhhh ... gotcha.  i have gstreamer installed too, but haven't used it ... sound on linux still baffles me, so as long as things aren't erroring i just leave it alone :X
[07:43] <paulvolk> When I added them I put in a password (I want to add 2 more accounts) but the password is the same for both even thoguh I try to type them in the certain user accounts. When I restart I go and try to logon to one that I created but it sasy wrong password, When I try the other I get a message saying that I must change the password imiedetly enforce by the Root. How do I get them to work?
[07:44] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: the password is not shared or anythign between users -- you have two problems
[07:44] <cinder> how can I delete the panel?
[07:45] <beefsprocket> sampan: that's my thught as well... and then i tried flight 2
[07:45] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: change the password in the account that will let you first
[07:46] <paulvolk> ok
[07:46] <sampan> cinder, you can right click it and select "configure" -- i'm not sure if you can totally remove it, but you can make it "auto-hide" and allow other windows to cover it
[07:46] <paulvolk> then what?
[07:46] <cinder> sampan: i do not want that...
[07:46] <cinder> 'cause i am using an osx like style
[07:46] <beefsprocket> then, once you login, logout and work on fixing the second user (check to make sure that there is a directory for said user in /home)
[07:47] <cinder> so i have another panel on the top
[07:47] <paulvolk> ok
[07:56] <`Nomad> reverting from 3.5.1 to 3.5..  any help? and/or suggestions?  I just remove the kubuntu-desktop an dreinstalled it but that can,t be all there is to it?
[07:57] <`Nomad> kde that is :)
[07:58] <sampan> `nomad  kubuntu-desktop is an empty metapackage (with a whole bunch of dependencies so that when you install it pulls all the kde stuff in), removing it will do nothing.  (many people remove it and their system runs fine without it, because it was empty to begin with!) ;)
[07:58] <monteiro> my kaffeine when i'm trying to view stream mov files, it says that he doesnt found the demux, but next he has found the demux but the error stays, without working the stream
[07:59] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: you need to change to kde35 repository instead of 351 in sources.list
[08:00] <kkathman> sampan yah to get rid of 3.5.1 or 3.5, you'll need to remove the repository, apt-get clear, and apt-get update...then --reinstall kubuntu-desktop I reckon
[08:00] <kkathman> that will take you back to 3.4.3
[08:00] <kkathman> even then Im not sure that works 100%
[08:01] <kkathman> debian/ubuntu - very bad when installing metas...maybe aptitude is better
[08:01] <sampan> kkathman  lol ouch!  that's precisely why i don't upgrade often.  3.4.3 is working fine; last thing i need is upgrade-headaches :D
[08:02] <Tm_T> kkathman: =)
[08:02] <kkathman> yah Tm_T told me that be the way
[08:02] <kkathman> so if your system crashes...blame it on him :)
[08:02] <sampan> hahahaha
[08:02] <Tm_T> haha
[08:02] <`Nomad> I did change the repo, so now what do I do to revert back?
[08:02] <kkathman> 3.5.1 is a mess on breezy
[08:02] <Tm_T> sampan: youknow youcan trust me ;)
[08:03] <sampan> `nomad  i think kkathman's procedure is worth a shot
[08:03] <kkathman> very release management by the Kubuntu folks I think somewhere along the line (not much testing)
[08:03] <tsdgeos> kkathman: is it? it is working here fine
[08:03] <`Nomad> bu tthere's no --reinstall
[08:03] <sampan> tm_t  oh yeah -- i've seen (and marveled!) at your work!
[08:03] <kkathman> sampan:  Tm_T 's method thank you
[08:03] <sampan> :X
[08:03] <Tm_T> sampan: =)
[08:03] <kkathman> Tm_T is all knowing
[08:03] <Tm_T> ...yay
[08:04] <sampan> kkathman  lol ... i have a story to tell you then .... ;X  except tm_t will boot me if i do
[08:04] <Tm_T> oh yeah!
[08:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh, you remember I told about webcam issues...
[08:04] <kkathman> yah
[08:04] <Tm_T> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121364
[08:04] <kkathman> uh oh
[08:05] <Tm_T> bug found, located, reported, fixed
[08:05] <Tm_T> community <3
[08:05] <`Nomad> kkathman: what do you mean by --reinstall ?  like    sudo apt-get --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[08:05] <Tm_T> beat that with closed&commercial
[08:05] <sampan> is it apt-get install --reinstall    ?
[08:05] <Tm_T> aye
[08:06] <Tm_T> install --reinstall
[08:06] <sampan> w00t -- my apt-get skillz are improving
[08:06] <Tm_T> sampan: man apt-get read through x10 already? ;--P
[08:06] <sampan> lol -- yes!  i'm even going to pastebin it!
[08:06] <Tm_T> sampan: and no, don't use pastebin with it
[08:06] <Tm_T> whooooops!
[08:06] <sampan> lmao
[08:07] <slow-motion> re
[08:08] <sampan> and with that, wifey and i are going to go for a walk -- bbl
[08:09] <`Nomad> :(  That doesn,t do much, just reinstalls a 39 K file
[08:10] <`Nomad> xmms  --> segmentation fault
[08:10] <_robin> hi, can i paste some error?
[08:10] <_robin> (2 lines)
[08:10] <_robin> make[2] : *** Geen regel voor aanmaken doel `/usr/lib/libkonq.la', nodig voor `kblogger_panelapplet.la'.  Stop.
[08:10] <_robin> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger/src'
[08:10] <Tm_T> sampan: have a good walk o/
[08:11] <_robin> you see, i'm trying to compile KDE stuff, but it says kicker and konqueror are not supported
[08:11] <_robin> i installed kdebase-libs and kdelibs4-dev
[08:11] <_robin> so..... :o
[08:11] <_robin> kdebase-dev*
[08:11] <`Nomad> you're running KDE 4?
[08:11] <_robin> yup
[08:11] <_robin> err
[08:11] <_robin> no
[08:11] <_robin> kde 3
[08:11] <_robin> ...
[08:11] <_robin> you know what i am?
[08:12] <_robin> dumb
[08:12] <_robin> thats what i am
[08:12] <_robin> xD
[08:12] <`Nomad> are you?
[08:12] <`Nomad> no you're not
[08:12] <_robin> well
[08:12] <_robin> the only dev package available, is kdelibs4
[08:12] <`Nomad> si install kdelibs3-dev
[08:12] <`Nomad> try again
[08:12] <`Nomad> if at first you don,t succeed.. ;)
[08:13] <_robin> kdelibs3-bin - the K Desktop Environment - transitional package
[08:13] <_robin> kdelibs4-dev - development files for the KDE core libraries
[08:13] <`Nomad> cry and cry again
[08:13] <`Nomad> oh?
[08:13] <`Nomad> well what do I know?    :)
[08:13] <_robin> E: Kon pakket kdelibs3-dev niet vinden
[08:13] <_robin> means: " couldn't find kdelibs3-dev"
[08:13] <Tm_T> kdelibs4-dev is for kde 3.5 and newer
[08:13] <Tm_T> 3.4 I mean
[08:13] <_robin> yea
[08:13] <Tm_T> afaik
[08:13] <_robin> thats what i have here
[08:14] <_robin> so i AM on the right road..
[08:14] <_robin> okay
[08:14] <_robin> well
[08:14] <`Nomad> yup, guess you,re right.. I was sure I had seen both packages available
[08:14] <_robin> i have kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev
[08:14] <_robin> whats missing? oO
[08:14] <`Nomad> do you have kdelibs  (plain and simple)
[08:15] <_robin> kdelibs-dev
[08:15] <_robin> err
[08:15] <_robin> kdelibs4-dev
[08:15] <`Nomad> apt-cache search kdelibs
[08:15] <_robin> kdelibs-dev doesnt exist
[08:15] <`Nomad> ok, right
[08:15] <_robin> yes i know i searched all around
[08:16] <_robin> YEA
[08:16] <_robin> YES*
[08:16] <_robin> i installed the libconq
[08:16] <_robin> it now works :)
[08:17] <`Nomad> libkonq?
[08:17] <_robin> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
[08:17] <_robin> yea :p
[08:17] <`Nomad> also, between failed make, it's best to do a make clean right?
[08:17] <`Nomad> that sometimes is a big *?!#$@#  :)
[08:18] <`Nomad> when you forget
[08:27] <gsnedders> would 256mb ram be enough for a duron 700?
[08:30] <pussfeller> 256 ram is going to run sloggy no matter what os or cpu
[08:31] <gsnedders> and 512?
[08:31] <dark_suic> more ram == ALWAYS BETTER
[08:32] <pussfeller> it amazes me they even seel systems now with 256 ram brand new
[08:32] <`Nomad> I know..
[08:34] <gsnedders> would it run reasonably well with 512MB RAM?
[08:35] <lysis> hey; i just installed kubuntu-desktop and was hoping i could get some help.  do i need to install any different progs / codecs or anything for dvd playback, or will all of the things i did in gnome, also work in kde?
[08:35] <weedar> They should work lysis :)
[08:36] <lysis> weedar: i can't get transparencies working in it for some reason . . .   i have nvidia, latest driver, blah blah.  just can't figure out why the behavior isn't actually enabling itself . . .
[08:37] <weedar> lysis, What transparencies are you talking about? For me taskbar-transparancy worked "out of the box"
[08:37] <lysis> weedar: window
[08:39] <weedar> lysis, hang on..I seem to remember reading a great guide if you're having trouble with that
[08:42] <`Nomad> !qemu
[08:42] <ubotu> it has been said that qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[08:49] <krpano> how do i mount my hda1, to let me see the HD icon on the desktop ?
[08:49] <krpano> noob here...::)
[08:49] <ziza> got a question: how can I start e.g. a graphical application in a detached way from within the console? (so that the console isn't blocked until the app is closed)
[08:49] <Red_Herring> uhh
[08:49] <Red_Herring> krpano: i *think* kde 3.5.1 can do that
[08:49] <Red_Herring> but not 3.4.3
[08:49] <Red_Herring> nor 3.5.0
[08:50] <krpano> how do i see my version ?
[08:50] <Red_Herring> well
[08:50] <Red_Herring> if you dont know
[08:50] <Red_Herring> you have kde 3.4.3
[08:50] <Red_Herring> you have to go out of your way to get 3.0
[08:50] <krpano> hmm
[08:50] <Red_Herring> *3.5.0
[08:50] <Red_Herring> and even further to get 3.5.1
[08:50] <weedar> ziza, you can always make the program run in console when adding it to your K-menu
[08:50] <krpano> i see
[08:51] <Red_Herring> ziza: just open a new tab?
[08:51] <weedar> ziza, or just run it from a console window :)
[08:51] <kernel_i386> could somebody help me?.. I really need to know how to change back to breezer from dapper... without losing all my data
[08:51] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[08:51] <Red_Herring> thats very hard
[08:51] <Red_Herring> and i dont *think* its possble
[08:51] <kernel_i386> hmm..
[08:51] <Red_Herring> you could just back up all your data
[08:51] <Red_Herring> and then install breezy
[08:52] <crimsun> it's possible but a pain
[08:52] <Red_Herring> or just wait until dapper gets better
[08:52] <crimsun> you need to read man 5 apt_preferences
[08:52] <Red_Herring> which shouldnt be long
[08:52] <kernel_i386> hmm
[08:52] <kernel_i386> hmm
[08:53] <kernel_i386> okay.. I just tried to format / delete my DVD-RW .. without success - linux sucks :P
[08:53] <kernel_i386> then I take a "real" dvdr :P
[08:53] <kernel_i386> k3b stinks
[08:53] <Red_Herring> uhh
[08:53] <kernel_i386> just backup /home/user right?
[08:53] <Red_Herring> format your dvd-rw?
[08:53] <Red_Herring> why JUST format it?
[08:53] <Red_Herring> how about putting data on it
[08:54] <Red_Herring> and letting k3b format it for you
[08:54] <kernel_i386> because there is a movie on
[08:54] <Red_Herring> oh
[08:54] <kernel_i386> indeed..
[08:54] <sorush20> hi guys I can't see some of my characters any help please ? this is one of the characters I can't see 
[08:54] <crimsun> what is that supposed to be?
[08:54] <kernel_i386> and now after I "forced"  him to format :D he can't read it anymore saying "bad fs bla everything is fucked up"
[08:55] <Red_Herring> sorush20: you need to install extra character sets
[08:55] <Red_Herring> !charactersets
[08:55] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:55] <CaffeineKills> hi there
[08:55] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: well, i guess you need another dvd-rw
[08:56] <Red_Herring> ill email you one ;-)
[08:56] <kernel_i386> ...yes ...plus another operating system that's not a pain *g*
[08:57] <kernel_i386> ...I see it coming :D I'll have to configure everything from the beginning :D
[08:57] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: i NEVER use dvdrw, i have 100 or so blank dvdr and they ALL work fine
[08:57] <Red_Herring> so i cant help you there
[08:57] <kernel_i386> yes.. that's what I am doing now
[08:58] <murchadh> !w32codecs
[08:58] <ubotu> w32codecs is probably a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[08:58] <sorush20> Red_Herring: I can't find anything
[08:58] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: why did you install dapper in the first place
[08:58] <Red_Herring> murchadh: try win32codecs
[08:58] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[08:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:58] <Red_Herring> sorush20: hmm, try the language packs ubuntu comes with
[08:58] <Red_Herring> !language
[08:58] <ubotu> Red_Herring: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:59] <kernel_i386> I am a noob.. my best friend that is a bit more into linux thought I'd need dapper for stuff like firefox 1.5 - which I wanted to use ... so he didn't know that dapper was "under construction" and we tried it .. and now nothing works :P
[08:59] <Red_Herring> sorush20: what language are these characters native to?
[08:59] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: upgrading is easy, downgrading  is a bit harder, but 100x more dangerous
[09:00] <kernel_i386> yes.. so.. is it possible to reinstall breezer
[09:00] <kernel_i386> and then just copy home/user dir?
[09:00] <Red_Herring> i would just either a) wait for dapper to get stabler, any day now everythign will start workign
[09:00] <Red_Herring> or b) install breezy
[09:00] <sorush20> I think latin ?
[09:00] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: just save the home direcotry to a dvd
[09:01] <Red_Herring> including hidden files
[09:01] <Red_Herring> which start with a "."
[09:01] <kernel_i386> yep - and links?
[09:01] <Red_Herring> there should be no links in the home folder
[09:01] <Red_Herring> !latin
[09:01] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:01] <kernel_i386> k3b asks me something with links..
[09:01] <CaffeineKills> Does anyone know the bug where you want to edit network settings in kubuntu breezer in the KDE Interface and that you suddenly cant bring the interfaces back up, no matter what you do? not even with ifconfig <handle> up?
[09:01] <Red_Herring> see how big it is with links
[09:01] <Red_Herring> and without them
[09:01] <`Nomad> kernel_i386:  if you partition your /home to be on it,s own, then you can re-install anytiem and never worry about losing your personal stuff, even re-installing to a different linux
[09:02] <Red_Herring> CaffeineKills: try "sudo systemsettings"
[09:02] <Red_Herring> just a thought, sometimes systemsettings cant handle sudo
[09:02] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, wouldn't it be better to do "kdesu systemsetings"???
[09:02] <kernel_i386> `Nomad: how can I do that?
[09:02] <CaffeineKills> hmm its the same in admin mode, but I just found a post concerning the issue ... checking it ... brb
[09:02] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: well, i thought to do it in the terminal
[09:03] <Red_Herring> either way works
[09:03] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, kdesu also works in terminal
[09:03] <moreno> salveeee
[09:03] <Red_Herring> true
[09:03] <moreno> hiiii
[09:03] <dark_suic> and it's WAY better for graphical apps
[09:03] <moreno> why when i add a dns it say to create an alias ?
[09:03] <Red_Herring> true true
[09:03] <moreno> where i can create an alias ?
[09:03] <moreno> _
[09:03] <`Nomad> kernel_i386: you coudl do that if you did a full re-install, backing up your present home folder to another media as was suggested.. Then during install, choose to break down your disk into different partitions.
[09:03] <tsdgeos> .bashrc
[09:04] <tsdgeos> or .bash_profile
[09:04] <m8> Red_Herring:  help :((((
[09:04] <AstralSin> could someone tell me how to add video modes to KDesktop? I'm running KDE 3.5.1 and I've edited my xorg.conf, but the video modes i've changed there havent changed in KDesktop
[09:04] <Red_Herring> m8: waht?
[09:04] <murchadh> !recognizing all sound formats
[09:04] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, murchadh
[09:04] <m88> when i add a dns in network settings
[09:04] <m88> it says to create an alias first
[09:04] <Red_Herring> dns...
[09:04] <kernel_i386> to break down my disk to another parition.. hmm.. this sounds very dangerous - :P then linux will format my other hd and I lose all my data - right? *G*
[09:04] <m88> yes
[09:04] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[09:05] <Red_Herring> not sure
[09:05] <m88> in static host i can create
[09:05] <m88> but in dns not _
[09:05] <staale> hi everyone, i got this anoying problem, its now 2 weeks old, and it seems to have no end. For about two months i bought a Packard Bell ENW3344 Laptop, i had on it intill now, so for a week ago i changed to kubuntu linux kernel 2.6, the installation was good, expekt from one thing, and thats where my problem lies. It doesnt find wierd internet connection or wireless, ive tried to install ndiswrapper with winxp drivers, it seemed to turn 
[09:05] <`Nomad> kernel: don't repartition anythign if you are unsure :)
[09:05] <staale> but it didnt, i cant get offers when i ping dhcp and no ip.. Ive tried all kind of help, but none of em' has worked. I will trie har one last time before i sadly is forced to reinstall windows:( Anyone with som possible help that might work?
[09:05] <krpano> guys, how hard it is to update KDE to the 3.5.1 ?
[09:05] <tsdgeos> krpano: easy
[09:05] <Red_Herring> !kde3.5.1
[09:05] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:05] <Red_Herring> kde351
[09:05] <krpano> where do i find a how to ?
[09:05] <Red_Herring> !kde351
[09:05] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:05] <Red_Herring> dammit
[09:06] <tsdgeos> lol
[09:06] <Red_Herring> !kde3.5
[09:06] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[09:06] <m88> Red_Herring: ?
[09:06] <tsdgeos> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[09:06] <krpano> OK....thx.....going to try...:)
[09:06] <Red_Herring> m88: sorry, i dont know about dns :-(
[09:06] <kernel_i386> damn.. HOW am I supposed to write my data onto a DVDR .. if this k3B won't do it.. always error here error there..
[09:06] <m88> ok thanks :(
[09:06] <kernel_i386> :-( write failed: Input/output error
[09:07] <`Nomad> k3b is an exellent software
[09:07] <`Nomad> really is
[09:07] <kernel_i386> which won't burn DVDRs here
[09:07] <kernel_i386> nor DVDRW
[09:07] <Red_Herring> staale: you tried terminal or GUI tools?
[09:07] <kernel_i386> I mean.. why can't it just BURN :D
[09:07] <buz> kernel_i386: try nero linux
[09:07] <buz> works much better for me for dvdrs
[09:07] <kernel_i386> damn.. I don't want to invent it new.. I just want to burn ONE dvdr :D
[09:07] <Red_Herring> well, i guess it depends on the dvd burner
[09:07] <staale> Red_Herring: yiu mean the linux terminal?
[09:08] <Red_Herring> staale: yup
[09:08] <kernel_i386> NEC ND2510 ..
[09:08] <buz> actually, i think it's dvdtools fault
[09:08] <buz> for some reasons, i just cant set the buffer any higher than 8mb
[09:08] <Red_Herring> because with the linux terminal its much easyer to find out whats going on
[09:08] <kernel_i386> I shoot myself..  for real
[09:08] <staale> Red_Herring: what should i trie there that i havent tried?
[09:08] <AstralSin> could someone tell me how to add video modes to KDesktop? I'm running KDE 3.5.1 and I've edited my xorg.conf, but the video modes i've changed there havent changed in KDesktop
[09:08] <buz> which is way too low for 8x dvdr
[09:08] <kernel_i386> linux is such a pain
[09:08] <Red_Herring> staale: hold on, im getting there
[09:08] <Red_Herring> first off, what wireless card?
[09:08] <kernel_i386> Incorrectly encoded string (wrfe) encountered.
[09:08] <staale> kernel_i386: leave then
[09:08] <kernel_i386> Incorrectly encoded string (wrfe) encountered. <-- wtf does that mean?
[09:09] <kernel_i386> Possibly creating an invalid Joliet extension. Aborting.
[09:09] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: you are burning a dvd with a filesystem that cant use taht character set?
[09:09] <kernel_i386> hmm, so which fs should I use then?
[09:09] <Red_Herring> staale: what wirelss card, and what do you get when you type in "ndiswrapper -l"?
[09:10] <staale> i gets thats everything is okey
[09:10] <staale> waith, ill try write output of it now
[09:10] <staale> wait*
[09:10] <Red_Herring> ive used ndiswrapper before
[09:11] <staale> Red_Herring: And it worked?
[09:11] <Red_Herring> when it works, its awesome
[09:11] <Red_Herring> when it doesnt, you want to beat your computer over the head
[09:11] <staale> Red_Herring: Yes, i agree
[09:11] <Red_Herring> staale: i have gotten it to work before, but i  just decided to get a well supported linux wireless card
[09:11] <staale> Red_Herring: Right now i just wanna throw it outside window
[09:11] <kernel_i386> `Nomad or Red_Herring  do you have 3 seconds to show me @ vnc how to burn a dvdr without this problem?
[09:11] <Red_Herring> it was a whopping 10 more
[09:12] <`Nomad> AstralSin: What do you mean? Are you asking how to change the desktop size?
[09:12] <AstralSin> yeah, I'd like to use a higher resolution than 1024x768
[09:12] <Red_Herring> staale: yeah, i know how you feel
[09:12] <Red_Herring> but what is the output of "ndiswrapper -l"
[09:12] <Red_Herring> it should be 1 line
[09:12] <AstralSin> i've added 1600x1200 and 1280x1024 in my xorg.conf but KDesktop only goes up to 1024x768
[09:13] <staale> Red_Herring: OMFG after some configs yesterday, my pc wont start
[09:13] <Red_Herring> !resolution
[09:13] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:13] <staale> i have to reinstall whole kubunut
[09:13] <staale> *kubuntu
[09:13] <Red_Herring> ouch
[09:13] <`Nomad> kernel: I think redHerring is right, your character set needs to be looked at
[09:13] <staale> ill be back
[09:13] <staale> bye
[09:13] <`Nomad> and I know nothing much abotu that
[09:13] <Red_Herring> !characterset
[09:13] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:13] <AstralSin> ok, i'll try that, thaniks
[09:14] <`Nomad> !charset
[09:14] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[09:14] <Red_Herring> !char
[09:14] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:14] <Red_Herring> !ubotu
[09:14] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[09:14] <`Nomad> !locale
[09:14] <ubotu> `Nomad: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:14] <`Nomad> !pizza
[09:14] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[09:14] <Red_Herring> well, at least it knows its own name
[09:14] <`Nomad> it's broken.. lol
[09:14] <Red_Herring> !
[09:14] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:15] <lordrich> whats the command to go to the grafic settings in the konsole ...
[09:16] <lordrich> something with dpkg?
[09:16] <Red_Herring> wow, i really like the new systemsettings in kde 3.5.1
[09:17] <Red_Herring> im running the livecd now, it reminds  me a LOT of yast
[09:17] <`Nomad> kernel: can you try and change that character in teh file that is causing a problem, just to see if it then accepts it and goes to a next one or not
[09:17] <`Nomad> yasterday, love was such an easy game to play
[09:17] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: yeah, hes right
[09:18] <paulvolk> I was in here earlier asking about a login problem and I still haven't gotten it to work
[09:18] <Red_Herring> that character might be the only problem
[09:18] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: what problem?
[09:18] <`Nomad> might have a control character in there
[09:18] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring: fixed problem
[09:18] <`Nomad> how?
[09:18] <Red_Herring> nice
[09:19] <Red_Herring> `Nomad: that "`" at the beginning of your name makes it a pain in the ass to type in (fyi)
[09:19] <paulvolk> I have made 2 ne accounts and I sett them up with a password it is just that the password carries over to both the accounts as well as I can't get on one of them
[09:19] <`Nomad> LOL
[09:19] <paulvolk> I have no idea what is wrong
[09:19] <`Nomad> Redherring: That way no on ehas ever stolen my nick  ;)
[09:19] <Red_Herring> i just registered mine
[09:19] <`Nomad> actually mine is too now
[09:20] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: that is very odd
[09:20] <Nomad> oops, that Nomad is owned by someone else
[09:20] <paulvolk> I know and I don't know how to fix it
[09:20] <Red_Herring> see Nomad, if it is at the end, i can just hit tab and it puts the "`" in for me
[09:20] <Red_Herring> but if its at the beginning, i need to put that "`" in right away
[09:20] <Red_Herring> no big deal
[09:20] <Red_Herring> just fyi
[09:21] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: you cant login as in it tells you the password is wrong?
[09:21] <Nomad> redHerring: Teh worst is, when I have french keyboard on, I can't even find the damn character
[09:21] <Red_Herring> or because it tells you there is an error in the config files?
[09:21] <Red_Herring> i have a laptop keyboard, and del, ins, and ` are all next to eachother
[09:22] <paulvolk> for one account the other demanded I change the password so I did and I got in on that account fine after I changed the password
[09:22] <Red_Herring> so either i pase a line, delete a char, or put a ` in
[09:22] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: so it works now?
[09:22] <paulvolk> only one account the other won't
[09:22] <`Nomad> I woudl switch, but Nomad is owned by someone else
[09:22] <`Nomad> kernel: So all is ok then?
[09:23] <lordrich> anyone here who have porblems with nvidia drivers and ubuntu??
[09:23] <Red_Herring> !nvidia
[09:23] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[09:23] <Red_Herring> lordrich: i have better experiences with them than ati ;-)
[09:24] <paulvolk> How would I fix it so the other one works?
[09:24] <Red_Herring> delete and remake the account?
[09:24] <lordrich> Red_Herring: i cant install the nvdia driver so, that the kde work
[09:24] <lordrich> and with the driver from ubuntu i have grafik errors ...
[09:24] <lordrich> grafic
[09:24] <Red_Herring> lordrich: you cant install it?
[09:24] <Red_Herring> !nvidia
[09:24] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[09:24] <Red_Herring> ^ did you try it?
[09:25] <lordrich> all is ok, i can compile the binary from the nvidia page, but when i take the driver, kde dont start
[09:25] <Red_Herring> lordrich: as in no graphics start once so ever?
[09:26] <lordrich> what? i understand the sentence
[09:26] <lordrich> my english is not good ...
[09:26] <Red_Herring> do you get to a login screen
[09:26] <lordrich> no
[09:26] <Red_Herring> well
[09:26] <Red_Herring> thats the problem
[09:26] <lordrich> nothing happend when i type "kdm start"
[09:26] <lordrich> and when i am reboot it is the some
[09:26] <Red_Herring> try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:27] <Nomad411> How do I register my nick?  it's been so long
[09:27] <lordrich> it  works
[09:27] <Red_Herring> and go through that thing
[09:27] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: /msg NickServ register <password>
[09:27] <Nomad411> There ;)
[09:27] <Red_Herring> nice
[09:27] <lordrich> what i  have to to now?
[09:27] <Red_Herring> not much
[09:27] <lordrich> i have start dpgk ...
[09:27] <Red_Herring> just go through the wizard
[09:28] <Red_Herring> its self-explanatory
[09:28] <lordrich> the problem is, i need the right dedired X server driver
[09:28] <Red_Herring> yeah, insted of using the driver "nv" use "nvidia"
[09:29] <Red_Herring> *instead
[09:29] <lordrich> because with the nv i have grafic problem.. and with the new nvidia kde dont start
[09:29] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[09:29] <Red_Herring> is it compiled right?
[09:29] <lordrich> yes, i think!
[09:29] <Red_Herring> hmmmm
[09:29] <Red_Herring> !pastebin
[09:29] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:30] <Red_Herring> try pasting your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to here ^
[09:30] <paulvolk> making the account again does nothing
[09:31] <paulvolk> the password is the same for both accounts for some reason
[09:31] <paulvolk> whe I change one the other changes too
[09:31] <Red_Herring> odd
[09:31] <Red_Herring> very odd
[09:32] <paulvolk> well I need more then one account on it so do you have any ideas on how to fix it?
[09:33] <Red_Herring> make a 3rd account ;-)
[09:33] <Red_Herring> well, honestly i would try making a new account using one of those GUI tools
[09:33] <bur[n] er> anyoen know how to make konq show video thumbnails?
[09:34] <Red_Herring> hmmm, i have the same question, now that i think about it
[09:34] <paulvolk> ok what are the GUI tools?
[09:34] <Red_Herring> hmm, i would try one of the things in systemsettings
[09:35] <murchadh> !w32codecs should be where
[09:35] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, murchadh
[09:35] <paulvolk> That is what I have been using
[09:35] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[09:35] <ubotu> I guess win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:35] <Red_Herring> those are best
[09:35] <Nomad411> win32codecs won't download when i tried though, and I have that repo
[09:35] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: well then have you tried "sudo adduser"?
[09:35] <paulvolk> no
[09:36] <paulvolk> should I?
[09:36] <Red_Herring> whats what i would try
[09:36] <Red_Herring> it couldnt hurt, could it?
[09:36] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: you couldn't get video thumbnails ?
[09:36] <Red_Herring> bur[n] er: not in kde 3.4.3
[09:36] <Red_Herring> lemme check in kde 3.5.1
[09:37] <Red_Herring> im running the livecd on my desktop now
[09:37] <murchadh> I'm having the same prob as Nomad411. I also have the zip file, dunno where to put them?
[09:37] <Nomad411> zip?
[09:37] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: i'm using 351 i think... i'll find a way ;)
[09:38] <murchadh> Sorry! The zip file w32codecs_20050412.orig.tar.gz
[09:38] <Nomad411> oh! There's lots of ati info at seveas by teh way
[09:38] <jung> hey i have a problem
[09:38] <jung> i installed eterm through adept
[09:38] <Nomad411> I have w32codecs, not win32codecs.  Guess they're the same thing?
[09:38] <jung> how do i access eterm?
[09:39] <jung> i only see konsole
[09:39] <bur[n] er> alt+f2, Eterm
[09:39] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: yeah, they are, just not the same way of getting them
[09:39] <Red_Herring> jung: you need to install it ;-)
[09:39] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: he did via adept
[09:39] <Nomad411> ok, great
[09:39] <jung> i thought i installed it through adept?
[09:39] <Red_Herring> oh
[09:39] <jung> it says that its been installed
[09:39] <bur[n] er> jung: alt+f2, Eterm
[09:39] <Red_Herring> i take your word for it
[09:39] <sander_> Is dapper still pretty rocky?
[09:39] <Red_Herring> bur[n] er: or alt-space eterm
[09:39] <jung> "Could not run the specified command"
[09:39] <Nomad411> rocky?  and bullwinkled.. LOL
[09:39] <Red_Herring> with kicker
[09:40] <Red_Herring> sander_: i heard the install is very stable
[09:40] <bur[n] er> jung: "eterm" maybe?  with and without caps... try both, i forget ;)
[09:40] <Red_Herring> but the livecd still has some issues
[09:40] <jung> negative on both
[09:40] <sander_> Hmm, when's the new flight due out? I'm going to have to give it a try.
[09:40] <Nomad411> sander: And some people, me included, have problems with cerstain apps going Poof after, like xmms, krita for example..
[09:40] <Nomad411> segmentation faults for some reason
[09:40] <jung> really odd
[09:41] <bur[n] er> jung: try from another term?
[09:41] <jung> yes i've tried
[09:41] <jung> anyway i can just navigate to the dir and see if its there?
[09:41] <bur[n] er> sander_: apt-get upgrade?  what's wrong with that?
[09:41] <sander_> I can live with some stability problems, I'm thinking more X doesn't load level problems. :)
[09:41] <bur[n] er> jung: cd /usr/bin from a term
[09:41] <bur[n] er> jung: or open konq to /usr/bin
[09:41] <_robin> where to get KDE 4? O_O
[09:41] <bur[n] er> _robin: kde.org, build it ;)
[09:42] <jung> i see eterm
[09:42] <Nomad411> I just installed eterm to test, can't run it, not found
[09:42] <_robin> bur[n] er: is it already available?!
[09:42] <Red_Herring> _robin: dont?
[09:42] <jung> hmm i typed "Eterm" and it popped up
[09:42] <Red_Herring> its VERY buggy, last i heard
[09:43] <bur[n] er> yeah, less you're a dev of some sort, don't bother
[09:43] <sander_> bur[n] er: I have a test machine I run at work and changing sources and installing borked quite a bit. I can't even get my old kernels to load my net driver. I'm sure it will be fixed in the final release, but I think reinstalling from a flight cd is the way to go now.
[09:43] <Red_Herring> its not due out until at least the summer
[09:43] <Nomad411> ahh E
[09:43] <jung> anyway i can set it up so I won't have to navigate to /usr/bin whenever i wanna use it?
[09:43] <paulvolk> one question: how come cursor themes don't carry over in firefox?
[09:43] <Nomad411> you shouldN,t have to do anything,/usr/bin is the main spot for execs
[09:43] <bur[n] er> sander_: boot a livecd to that machine, chroot, and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:43] <bur[n] er> :)
[09:44] <jung> why is eterm not working properly?
[09:44] <jung> any ideas?
[09:44] <bur[n] er> jung: /usr/bin should be in your path
[09:44] <bur[n] er> jung: restart KDE?
[09:44] <jung> how do i restart kde?
[09:44] <jung> restart comp?
[09:44] <bur[n] er> logout and login ;)
[09:44] <jung> hehe ok
[09:44] <Nomad411> capitalization, it's Eterm
[09:44] <jung> brb
[09:44] <bur[n] er> Nomad411: we went over that ;)
[09:44] <sander_> bur[n] er: That sounds intreaguing, but I've never chrooted. Is there a friendly ubuntu doc somewhere on how to do it?
[09:44] <Nomad411> jung was asking
[09:45] <jung> Nomad411, Good call, it is "Eterm"
[09:45] <jung> i was just typing eterm
[09:45] <murchadh> Where should I unpack w32codecs_20050412.orig.tar.gz to? Any ideas?
[09:45] <Red_Herring> murchadh: wherever you want to
[09:45] <bur[n] er> murchadh: i'd get a .deb of it somewhere and install that
[09:45] <jung> woo I don't have to restart now :)
[09:45] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: shhh... give good help ;)
[09:45] <bur[n] er> jung: it work?
[09:45] <Red_Herring> murchadh: i suggest win32codecs
[09:46] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[09:46] <ubotu> [win32codecs]  binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:46] <Red_Herring> it works with apt
[09:46] <jung> bur[n] er yes, it worked
[09:46] <bur[n] er> it's w32codecs as the package name :P
[09:46] <jung> thanks for the help guys
[09:46] <Red_Herring> so? win32codecs and w32codecs are the same thing
[09:46] <murchadh> !win32codecs
[09:46] <ubotu> hmm... win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:46] <Red_Herring> except one you compile and one you install using apt
[09:46] <bur[n] er> jung: using what KDE version?  I'm just curious
[09:46] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: or dpkg :P
[09:46] <jung> how do i find out the version?
[09:47] <Red_Herring> ok
[09:47] <jung> i just installed kubuntu yesterday
[09:47] <Red_Herring> jung: breezy or dapper?
[09:47] <jung> uhh breezy
[09:47] <Red_Herring> ok, breezy, that means kde 3.4.3
[09:47] <bur[n] er> jung: hit the K in the bottom left ;)
[09:47] <admrl> does anyone know why my konqueror might not installed
[09:47] <bur[n] er> there are 3.5.1 packs for breezy :)
[09:47] <admrl> im using kde 3.5.1
[09:47] <zblach> me too
[09:47] <admrl> i mean not open
[09:47] <Red_Herring> well
[09:47] <Nomad411> me 3
[09:47] <paulvolk> can someone tell me the reposi for KDE 3.5?
[09:47] <bur[n] er> admrl: dapper or breezy?
[09:47] <Red_Herring> 3.5 is kinda buggy
[09:47] <admrl> breezy
[09:47] <Red_Herring> so i gotta wonder how 3.5.1 is
[09:48] <Nomad411> 3.5 is?
[09:48] <bur[n] er> paulvolk: depends on breezy or dapper... kubuntu.org
[09:48] <kernel_i386> me got 3.5.1 too
[09:48] <Red_Herring> in my experience
[09:48] <Red_Herring> then again
[09:48] <kernel_i386> dapper sucks!
[09:48] <Nomad411> exactly.. I had issues with 3.5, so I happily tried on 3.5.1,, Arghhhhhhhh!!!
[09:48] <Red_Herring> i also used automatix
[09:48] <Nomad411> :)
[09:48] <admrl> ive been using 3.5.1 for awhlie
[09:48] <Red_Herring> so that doesnt count
[09:48] <Red_Herring> admrl: how is it?
[09:48] <Red_Herring> any different from 3.5?
[09:48] <fredy> how do i install kde styles?
[09:48] <admrl> ive had 1 problem
[09:48] <paulvolk> um I am using breezy
[09:48] <Red_Herring> !kdestyle
[09:48] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:48] <admrl> and thats right now
[09:48] <admrl> konqueror wont open
[09:48] <admrl> and i cant figure it out
[09:48] <Red_Herring> well thats not good
[09:49] <admrl> no
[09:49] <bur[n] er> admrl: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[09:49] <admrl> ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in /root/kde351/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.1/./libkonq/konq_pixmapprovider.cc (79)
[09:49] <admrl> wait i got that
[09:49] <bur[n] er> bad icon theme maybe?
[09:49] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get install tango-icon-theme :)
[09:50] <bur[n] er> u don't have to do that, but you can change the icon theme via "kcontrol"
[09:50] <fredy> how do i install kde styles?
[09:50] <admrl> ya i know what tango does
[09:50] <paulvolk> what is the reposi for kde 3.5 or 3.5.1?
[09:50] <admrl> fredy you can install a deb
[09:50] <admrl> paulvolk kubuntu.com
[09:50] <bur[n] er> paulvolk: kubuntu.org has that info
[09:50] <bur[n] er> er.. .com rather ;)
[09:50] <paulvolk> ok
[09:51] <admrl> fredy you can find a deb usually on kde-look.com
[09:51] <Red_Herring> !baghira
[09:51] <ubotu> Red_Herring: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:51] <Red_Herring> !kwin-baghira
[09:51] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:52] <fredy> amdrl: well, not all of them come with a deb. It's weird there's no easy way to do it
[09:52] <bur[n] er> uhh... paulvolk, nevermind, kubuntu.com is all f'd up here :\
[09:52] <Red_Herring> kubuntu.org
[09:52] <Red_Herring> :-D
[09:53] <admrl> its only for my user
[09:53] <admrl> fredy:
[09:53] <bur[n] er> anyone trying koffice 1.5 yet?  i'm curious of it now with .odf format :)
[09:53] <admrl> fredy: if its from source you need to ./configure
[09:53] <nikita> !package
[09:53] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nikita
[09:53] <admrl> make && sudo make install usually
[09:53] <_robin> omfg cant wait for kde 4
[09:53] <farous> !packages
[09:53] <ubotu> packages is, like, totally, You can browse the packages in the Ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com .  It also has a nifty file search feature.
[09:54] <Red_Herring> !vlc
[09:54] <ubotu> [vlc]  a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[09:54] <farous> nikita as in nikita khoroshoof :)
[09:54] <bur[n] er> that baghira link doesn't work :\
[09:55] <nikita> farous: hehe, exactly =))))) y everybody knows him :D
[09:55] <nikita> !autopackage
[09:55] <ubotu> from memory, autopackage is evil
[09:56] <_henrik> where can i download kde 4.0 to kubuntu????
[09:56] <Red_Herring> !kde4.0
[09:56] <ubotu> Red_Herring: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:58] <bur[n] er> _henrik: if you want .debs for it, good luck... it's still very very very early development
[09:58] <_henrik> ok
[09:58] <_henrik> but where can i download it
[09:59] <murchadh> w32codecs shows up in my adept, but won't install. Tried kpackage on the tar.gz file - sh: installpkg: command not found
[10:01] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> my real player does not works in firefox
[10:01] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> how to make it to work
[10:02] <murchadh> Red_Herring: When I unpack the files from the tar file into a directory, do I need to put it in my path or set individual players to see them individually.
[10:02] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[10:02] <Red_Herring> i never used w32codecs
[10:02] <Red_Herring> but i assume its somewhere in /usr
[10:02] <Red_Herring> but its ok to untar them to your home directory for now
[10:03] <Red_Herring> !w32codecs
[10:03] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[10:04] <paulvolk> Which is better Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[10:04] <Red_Herring> murchadh: did you try using the .deb files?
[10:04] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: wow, sorry, thats a retarded question to ask HERE
[10:04] <paulvolk> from your opinion
[10:04] <Red_Herring> we think kubuntu is better
[10:04] <paulvolk> oh ok
[10:05] <Red_Herring> but i personally like ubuntu w/ kubuntu installed on top
[10:05] <paulvolk> oh ok
[10:05] <paulvolk> cool
[10:05] <paulvolk> thanks
[10:05] <Red_Herring> no problem
[10:05] <paulvolk> sorry I am such a noob
[10:05] <paulvolk> lol
[10:05] <kernel_i386> okay.. Red_Herring I am now about to reinstall kubuntu - to get back to breezer - which install option should I use?
[10:05] <arrinmurr> paulvolk: kubuntu = ubuntu
[10:05] <Red_Herring> default?
[10:06] <paulvolk> ok
[10:06] <arrinmurr> paulvolk: the question is really whether you prefer kde over gnome
[10:06] <kernel_i386> default.. okay.. maybe format before or something?
[10:06] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: yeah, ubuntu and kubuntu have the EXACT same base, just one with kde, one with gnome
[10:06] <Red_Herring> oh, paritioning?
[10:06] <kernel_i386> dunno..
[10:06] <halibut> Use kernel framebuffer device interface?         yes or no with an expensive graphics card ?
[10:06] <kernel_i386> I have ONE hdd with 2 partition ...
[10:06] <Nomad411> Red_Herring:  There's a diff between Ubuntu with kde-desktop and Kubuntu?
[10:06] <Red_Herring> halibut: i dont like it
[10:06] <kernel_i386> in ext3
[10:07] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: not much
[10:07] <halibut> Red_Herring, what does it do exactly??
[10:07] <kernel_i386> one part is for storage - the other is swap
[10:07] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: did you install it with the default install?
[10:07] <Nomad411> halibut: framebuffer doesn't work for me, but it is teh default for most people I think
[10:07] <kernel_i386> dunno.. think so :)
[10:07] <Red_Herring> halibut: well, its kinda complicated
[10:07] <Red_Herring> but i have had bad luck with it
[10:07] <Red_Herring> with ATI
[10:07] <Red_Herring> and not great luck using NVIDIA
[10:07] <halibut> Red_Herring, is it better though?
[10:07] <kernel_i386> hehe
[10:08] <Red_Herring> so i would say dont use it, it holds NO performace benefiets that i can see
[10:08] <kernel_i386> okay.. then I will just reinstall :)
[10:08] <halibut> I have a 7800GT so I want everything working nice :)
[10:08] <kernel_i386> and hope it'll work and didnt make anything wrong
[10:08] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: yeah, thats what i would do
[10:08] <Red_Herring> halibut: DAAAAAAAAMMMMMM, nice! ! ! ;-)
[10:08] <kernel_i386> won't ..
[10:08] <kernel_i386> cya in a few ... :)
[10:08] <Red_Herring> ok
[10:08] <halibut> Red_Herring, does it use more main memory to enable it and less graphics memory or something?
[10:08] <Red_Herring> halibut: doom3 and quake 4 kick total ass with nvidia under linux!
[10:09] <halibut> ^^
[10:09] <halibut> but yes or no?!
[10:09] <Red_Herring> uhh
[10:09] <Red_Herring> no
[10:09] <Red_Herring> it should make a difference
[10:09] <Red_Herring> but you can easily change it
[10:09] <Red_Herring> if you want
[10:09] <Red_Herring> !xserver-xorg
[10:09] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:09] <Red_Herring> !dpkg-reconfigure
[10:09] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[10:11] <Red_Herring> w00t, snow!
[10:12] <paulvolk> ok one question
[10:12] <Red_Herring> is kde3.5 supposed to be slower than kde3.4.3?
[10:14] <murchadh> OK! I see w32codecs in Adept. Fails to install. Could it be something to do with using a 686 kernel. I can change back and see, any ideas?
[10:14] <paulvolk> When Kubuntu 6.xx comes out do I have to do another install or can adept update my system for me?
[10:14] <Red_Herring> murchadh: not likely
[10:14] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: adept/apt can update easily
[10:14] <Red_Herring> as long as you dont downgrade again ;-)
[10:15] <paulvolk> what do you mean downgrade?
[10:15] <Red_Herring> never mind
[10:15] <paulvolk> ok
[10:15] <murchadh> Thanks Red Herring! I'll leave that as it is. I'll get it eventually!
[10:15] <paulvolk> thanks
[10:15] <Red_Herring> some guy was complaining earlier about he installed dapper and wanted to downgrade
[10:16] <Red_Herring> murchadh: i SERIOUSLY suggest seeing if win32codecs works
[10:16] <Nomad411> !torrrent
[10:16] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[10:16] <Nomad411> !torrent
[10:16] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[10:16] <Nomad411> !bittorrent
[10:16] <ubotu> it has been said that bittorrent is the BitTorrent FAQ is available at: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[10:16] <Red_Herring> !azureus
[10:16] <ubotu> I heard azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[10:16] <murchadh> Thanks again. Where's the easiest place to find 'em?
[10:16] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[10:16] <ubotu> hmm... win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[10:16] <Nomad411> !whyisbittorrentsoslowonmymachine
[10:16] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[10:16] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[10:16] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:17] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: what are you using, azureus?
[10:17] <Red_Herring> or ktorrent?
[10:17] <Nomad411> bittornado
[10:17] <Nomad411> toronado?
[10:17] <Red_Herring> oh, use ktorrent or azureus
[10:17] <murchadh> Could only find w32codecs at seveas!
[10:17] <Nomad411> really?  ok..
[10:17] <Nomad411> I wonder if they will pick up what I have downloaded so far?
[10:17] <Red_Herring> i have VERY fastg speeds with azureus under linux
[10:17] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: of coarse, ONLY DOWNLOADING LEGAL STUFF ;-)
[10:18] <Red_Herring> but you should be able to resume it from client to client
[10:18] <Red_Herring> murchadh: really?
[10:19] <Nomad411> of course!!
[10:19] <Nomad411> Like Kubuntu CDs,
[10:20] <Red_Herring> yeah ;-)
[10:20] <Red_Herring> or doom 3
[10:20] <Red_Herring> jk
[10:20] <Red_Herring> i bought that
[10:20] <Red_Herring> because its ID
[10:20] <Red_Herring> and if its for linux, you dont steal it
[10:20] <Nomad411> I had that runnign a while ago.. I've been addicted to BlobWars, I'm so old skoll when it comes to video games.. I like Maelstrom.. hehe
[10:21] <Red_Herring> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cell/
[10:21] <_allan> Kubuntu hasn't packaged kde 3.5.1 correctly, and kdegraphics, kdevelop, and kdegraphics-kfile-plugins won't install. Is there a way to fix this?
[10:21] <Red_Herring> wow, kubuntu on a ps3!
[10:21] <murchadh> They're called Win 32 Codecs but the download file is called w32codecs_20050412.orig.tar.gz. There is also a .deb file which I get refused access to.
[10:21] <_allan> ubijtsa: hi
[10:21] <Red_Herring> murchadh: using seveas?
[10:22] <ubijtsa> lo _allan
[10:22] <ubijtsa> _allan: after you left earlier, Riddell gave an explanation
[10:22] <_allan> yes?
[10:23] <murchadh> This the url I can't download http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/extras/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[10:23] <ubijtsa> you need to enable/add the breezy-security university repository
[10:23] <Red_Herring> murchadh: did you use apt?
[10:23] <murchadh> This is the one I have http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/extras/w32codecs_20050412.orig.tar.gz
[10:23] <_allan> what's the "deb blah blah blah" code for it?
[10:23] <ubijtsa> _allan: one sec
[10:23] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[10:23] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:23] <Red_Herring> !repos
[10:23] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:24] <Red_Herring> dont download, use apt/adept to do it for you
[10:24] <ubijtsa> _allan: deb     http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:25] <murchadh> Yeah. Error 403. Kpackage, Adept and apt as well as the deb link on seveas page.
[10:25] <Nomad411> woah.. Azureus = sleek
[10:25] <zblach> hi. what simple program (like a text editor with a few more features) would you recommend for programming with in java or python?
[10:26] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: make sure you get java 1.5
[10:26] <Red_Herring> not java 1.4.2
[10:26] <Red_Herring> zblach: well, kate or VI
[10:26] <Red_Herring> terminal or GUI, take your pick
[10:26] <zblach> right, kedit, or vim, but i'm looking for something GUIsh
[10:26] <Red_Herring> hmm
[10:26] <Red_Herring> an IDE?
[10:26] <zblach> that'd be nice
[10:26] <Red_Herring> for python:
[10:26] <Red_Herring> IDLE
[10:26] <Nomad411> I already had the Sun one installed I believe
[10:26] <Red_Herring> or ERIC
[10:27] <zblach> well, i gotta learn python first
[10:27] <Red_Herring> for java: eclipse
[10:27] <Red_Herring> !eclipse
[10:27] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[10:27] <Red_Herring> !idle
[10:27] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:27] <Nomad411> I like kate, multitab, like ultraedit in windows
[10:27] <zblach> i like eclipse, but i'm into some more of the basic stuff
[10:27] <Red_Herring> yeah
[10:27] <Red_Herring> i am too
[10:27] <zblach> like a plain text editor with a compile & a run button
[10:27] <Nomad411> did yo ulook at kdevelop?
[10:27] <Red_Herring> kdevelop is nice
[10:27] <zblach> no. don't know it
[10:27] <Red_Herring> !kdevelop
[10:27] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:27] <zblach> i'll adept it
[10:27] <Nomad411> !kdevelop3
[10:27] <ubotu> Nomad411: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:28] <_allan> ubijtsa: it works for the kdegraphics ones, but not the kdevelop
[10:28] <Nomad411> using adept, you're apt to find it
[10:28] <zblach> harhar.
[10:28] <zblach> looks like kdevelop is for C/C++
[10:28] <ubijtsa> _allan: dunno what to do about kdevelop..
[10:29] <ubijtsa> I bet it will get fixed, but I am not in a position to say when.
[10:29] <_allan> ubijtsa: oh, well. I don't use it anyway. Just a minor annoyance when updating other stuff.
[10:29] <Red_Herring> zblach: no, kdevelop is for almost every languag
[10:29] <Red_Herring> *language
[10:29] <Red_Herring> with plugins
[10:30] <zblach> there was one I had in gnome, had a sort of a lined globe as a logo
[10:30] <zblach> can't remember the name
[10:30] <zblach> (pre-replatform, it's no longer installed)
[10:32] <zblach> scite maybe?
[10:34] <murchadh> zblach: I use Quanta Plus but mainly for html.
[10:34] <Red_Herring> same
[10:34] <zblach> 'html' is not a subset of 'programming languages' ^_^
[10:38] <Nomad411> kdevelop is broken?
[10:38] <Nomad411> I haven't used it yet :)
[10:39] <Red_Herring> i have had problems with it on occasioin
[10:40] <Red_Herring> but i dont think its broken
[10:40] <Red_Herring> !kdevelop
[10:40] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[10:40] <panoramix46> buona sera a tutti
[10:40] <murchadh> Red_herring: Downloading the .deb file for w32codecs from a seveas mirror. At last. Thanks for your help. I'll post how it goes for me after it downloads.
[10:42] <Red_Herring> murchadh: no, you add the seveas repos to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:42] <Red_Herring> and then update
[10:42] <Red_Herring> then use apt/adept to install it
[10:43] <murchadh> Red Herring: That wouldn't work. I think it's at the Seveas server that the problem exists (temporary I hope). I got through to one of the mirrors.
[10:43] <murchadh> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~seveas/pool/extras/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[10:46] <Red_Herring> !repos
[10:46] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:46] <Red_Herring> murchadh: you dont need to do all of that
[10:48] <murchadh> Red Herring: Kpackage installed the deb file for me. Thanks again. While I have you - how to map the Backspace key to be back in konqueror (is this a really noob question)?
[10:48] <Red_Herring> murchadh: i wasnt sure if dpkg would work
[10:49] <Red_Herring> but im happy that you got it to work
[10:49] <Red_Herring> as for konqueror...
[10:49] <Red_Herring> im not sure how to do it
[10:50] <murchadh> By the way, I dunno why the version of Konqueror in Kubuntu has some of the menus removed, it took me a while to get console, split screen and side panel. These make Konqueror as good as anything I've used (on any platform, and I go back to the ZX81, he he)!
[10:51] <bbeck> murchadh: How did you get the split screen back, I haven't been able to figure that out?
[10:54] <murchadh> ctrl+shft+L for left and right split and T for top to bottom. F9 for a sidebar. You really need your Windows menu back. I'll find the link to do that, involves editing konqueror.conf I think. I'll post back.
[10:55] <Nomad411> kewl
[10:55] <as_28> anyone know if its possible to import from pst files to kmail
[10:56] <as_28> i read about an application call libpst
[10:59] <Nomad411> as_28:  If not, look at using an in-between app, liek thunderbird. :)
[10:59] <as_28> what is that?
[10:59] <as_28> sorry im new to linux
[10:59] <mmport81> how do i let non root users use my cd-rw?
[10:59] <murchadh> Try readpst, apt, adept or kpackage should do fine.
[11:00] <as_28> where do I find this app
[11:00] <as_28> i only found readpst
[11:00] <as_28> but dont know how to use it
[11:00] <Nomad411> what is what?  Mozilla-thunderbird?
[11:01] <murchadh> as_28: kmailcvt is probably better. Now that I think of it, it's what I used.
[11:01] <as_28> thanks
[11:02] <as_28> it is easy to use?
[11:02] <as_28> becouse i dont have any experience in linux
[11:02] <Nomad411> what are you using as an OS now?
[11:02] <Nomad411> Thunderbirs is on everything, it's known to be on eof the best email cliebts out there :)
[11:02] <Nomad411> http://getthunderbird.com
[11:02] <as_28> i use to use windows but know i want to learn linux
[11:03] <murchadh> Install kmailcvt using adept (whatever), then there should be an import export option which you run, then point it to your .pst. That's what I did, before I locked myself out of my ntfs drive. AAaaargh!!!
[11:03] <Nomad411> kmailcvt = kmail "convert"?
[11:03] <Nomad411> kewl
[11:03] <as_28> thanks all
[11:03] <murchadh> I'm using kontact, but it uses kmail, so I hope it works for you.
[11:03] <as_28> i will try now
[11:03] <buz> kmailcvt was really unstable for me
[11:03] <buz> it crashed a lot
[11:03] <buz> then again, 1gb of mail from thunderbird probably isnt the norm either
[11:04] <Nomad411> readpst seems interesting, I didnb't knwo about it
[11:04] <as_28> i just download it
[11:04] <as_28> but never use it do
[11:05] <zblach> hi. i'm running KDE 3.5.1. how can I have it recognize my media keys?
[11:06] <murchadh> Yeah. You should find tools -> import messages, after that it'll ask what program you're importing from. Glad I didn't have a gig of stuff, Buz!
[11:07] <cinder> does anybody knows why apt-get says that some packages are not instalables?
[11:08] <Red_Herring> sure, there are no libs that it requires
[11:08] <_grigory> hey! can anyone tell me how to get Prt Sc button to actually take screen shots, like it does under windows?
[11:08] <farous> cinder: do you have mixed repos?
[11:08] <Red_Herring> _grigory: use ksnapshot
[11:08] <murchadh> as_28: I'd recommend kontact. It's pretty cool, as good as any of the windows suites I've tried. News feeds, rss, mail, calender, etc. Try it with kmailcvt and you should be kewl!
[11:08] <cinder> donno, i put all that comes with the distro
[11:09] <_grigory> yeah, but i need to take a screen shot of say some menu in some program, and thats impossible with ksnapshot
[11:09] <cinder> Red_Herring: they require libs
[11:09] <farous> cinder: check if you have repos from hoary and breezy. Did you have hoary before
[11:09] <jose> i've got some problems with my cd rom, when i insert a cd it doesn't show anything, or it mounts itself on hdd instead of hdc. can anyone help?
[11:09] <_grigory> well, at least i cant find a way to do this, really annoying
[11:09] <cinder> 5.10
[11:09] <cinder> which one is?
[11:09] <Red_Herring> doesnt ksnapshot allow you to press prtsc when it is running to take a snapshot?
[11:10] <cinder> so, I have to disable old repositories
[11:10] <farous> cinder: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list on the pastebin
[11:10] <cinder> ok
[11:10] <paulvolk> Hello
[11:10] <_grigory> Red_Herring - it does?
[11:10] <_grigory> let me try
[11:10] <Red_Herring> thought so
[11:11] <cinder> farous: where the paste bin?
[11:11] <Red_Herring> !pastebin
[11:11] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:11] <farous> !tell cinder about pastebin
[11:11] <paulvolk> I was wondering I installed firefox on my Kubuntu but it is version 1 and version 1.5.1 is avalible why doesn't it have the most current version?
[11:12] <Red_Herring> _grigory: you can set a timer with it
[11:12] <_grigory> hmm.. prnt screen didnt work, but i used timer
[11:12] <_grigory> yeah, timer, great thing :)
[11:12] <cinder> farous: done
[11:12] <Red_Herring> yup
[11:12] <farous> paulvolk: ubuntu take a snapshot of current packages after six months. so for sometime it will not have all the newest packages
[11:12] <farous> cinder give me the weblink
[11:13] <paulvolk> when will it have the newest packedges?
[11:13] <cinder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8003
[11:13] <farous> paulvolk: in the new release ya
[11:13] <paulvolk> ok when is the new release coming out?
[11:13] <farous> !dapper
[11:13] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[11:14] <cinder> ubotu: which will be the repository to dwl it?
[11:14] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, cinder
[11:14] <farous> cinder: there is no probl with your sources.list. did you install any package from outside the repos or did you pin any package
[11:14] <cinder> nop
[11:14] <cinder> nothinh
[11:15] <cinder> I'll show the output (error)
[11:15] <farous> cinder: you might need to add some repos i can see that mulitverse is not there
[11:15] <farous> !tell cinder about easysource
[11:15] <farous> !tell cinder about repos
[11:16] <cinder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8004
[11:17] <farous> !info libbonobo
[11:17] <farous> !+info libbonobo
[11:17] <ubotu> Package 'libbonobo' does not exist.
[11:17] <Red_Herring> !easyubuntu
[11:17] <ubotu> somebody said easyubuntu was an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more.  It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesnt change any settings by default. https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu or #easyubuntu
[11:17] <farous> hmmm cinder try in a terminal sudo apt-get update
[11:17] <Red_Herring> ^ is it FINALLY out of beta?
[11:18] <farous> than try to install them again
[11:18] <farous> !+libgnome
[11:18] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, farous
[11:18] <cinder> ALREADY done
[11:18] <cinder> farous: what if I update to dapper?
[11:18] <farous> !dapper
[11:18] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[11:19] <farous> see the big warning there
[11:19] <cinder> yeah, i know
[11:19] <cinder> but its ok anyway....
[11:19] <cinder> I'm not a "heavy user"
[11:19] <cinder> just desktop
[11:20] <farous> cinder unncomment your commented repos
[11:20] <farous> so you have main and restricted commented
[11:21] <murchadh> murchadh - /home/murchadh/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[11:21] <murchadh> System wide - /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[11:21] <as_28> murchadh: how do In install kmailcvt with adet
[11:21] <as_28> i dont now what i have to write in the konsole
[11:21] <cinder> farous: done, lets see...
[11:22] <Chris_Tucker> has anyone here gotten xmms to work with xlack to display song data in xchat?
[11:22] <murchadh> run adept, type kmailcvt in the quick filter.
[11:22] <murchadh> If you're in a console it's sudo apt-get install kmailcvt
[11:22] <cinder> farous: worked dude!
[11:22] <cinder> farous: thanks very much
[11:23] <farous> cinder i added multiverse check this out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8006
[11:23] <as_28> murchadh: thanks its installing now
[11:23] <cinder> farous: now it is downloading all deps and packages
[11:23] <farous> cinder just after universe add multiverse will give greater pool of packages
[11:23] <as_28> murchadh: where i find the icon to access kmailcvt?
[11:24] <cinder> thanks
[11:24] <cinder> 6.04 comes with kde 4?
[11:24] <farous> yrw:)
[11:24] <cinder> yes?
[11:24] <paulvolk> does 6.04 come with kde 4?
[11:24] <paulvolk> that would be neat
[11:24] <murchadh> There isn't one. Should be a new menu item (Tools, I think) on the kmail menu.
[11:25] <as_28> ok
[11:25] <farous> !+dapper
[11:25] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[11:25] <farous> !+dapper drake
[11:25] <ubotu> it has been said that dapper drake is the 4th release for Ubuntu (ver. 6.04). For goals see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals. To try without removing/breaking breezy see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot. see warnings !dapper
[11:25] <farous> ok look at the link for goals
[11:25] <cinder> farous: no kde 4 so?
[11:25] <farous> will tell you what packages will be there
[11:26] <as_28> murchadh: it could be that only lets me do outlook express intead of outlook?
[11:26] <farous> i do not know you have to follow the link and check it out
[11:26] <Red_Herring> !dapper
[11:26] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[11:26] <cinder> I've seen lots of screenshots of kde 4 but never could download the sources....
[11:26] <farous> check this link to see if it is gonna be installed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals
[11:27] <farous> !kde4
[11:27] <ubotu> kde4 is probably http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[11:27] <Red_Herring> it wont be out by then
[11:27] <Red_Herring> i can tell you that
[11:27] <Red_Herring> kde4 has got a LOOOOONNNNG way to go
[11:28] <JakubS> ask again in 2 years :-)
[11:29] <murchadh> as_28: Try the same thing with readpst, I don't use it myself, but it is for Outlook.
[11:29] <cinder> JakubS: hahaha
[11:29] <cinder> I'm interested actually in "plasma"
[11:30] <JakubS> i wonder if xorg will be up to challenge by then
[11:30] <zblach> anything on xf86 keys?
[11:31] <sorush20> is there a repository that allows the download of firefox 1.5 instead of 1.07 ?
[11:31] <Red_Herring> !firefox1.5
[11:31] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:32] <as_28> murchadh: i try to intall it but it doesent have a file to install apear so
[11:32] <as_28> it has all this .c .h files
[11:35] <murchadh> as_28: Backup your .pst file FIRST! Then try readpst -k -o /tmp/tmpkmail {your pst filename here}? Like I said I don't have an Outlook file to test it, but if you backup you should be fine. Then cd /tmp/tmpkmail and check it out.
[11:37] <Trollinator> kann mir jemand mit meinem WLAN helfen? es ist furchtbar langsam :/
[11:38] <Red_Herring> !ge
[11:38] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:38] <Red_Herring> !de
[11:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[11:39] <Trollinator> sorry
[11:41] <as_28> then it would bw readpst -k -o /tmp/tmpkmail/mail.pst?
[11:42] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring :) hey hey heeey
[11:42] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: all better?
[11:42] <kernel_i386> well... a fresh installation :P
[11:43] <kernel_i386> had dinner and stuff..
[11:43] <Red_Herring> nice
[11:43] <kernel_i386> yea.. now thinking of first steps
[11:43] <kernel_i386> had lots of apps installed
[11:43] <robewald> hi, after running set-language-environment my fonts in emacs are messed up, how do I fix that?
[11:43] <Trollinator> can somebody help me with my wireless lan? it's works, but it's really slow
[11:44] <hawking> I run snort with the command /etc/init.d/snort start ... it runs without problem but I can't see it at ps aux | grep snort why is that?
[11:44] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring: do you recommend to copy my home folder back right now? or first install _all_ apps (packages) I had before installed
[11:44] <Trollinator> use vi :p
[11:44] <kernel_i386> wb Hobbsee
[11:44] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: defenentally install them back
[11:44] <Hobbsee> ty kernel_i386
[11:46] <as_28> murchadh: sorry to trouble you, but I dont fin the file readpst all I have is readpst.1 and .c
[11:46] <kernel_i386> how long did it take untill you more or less had a clue about linux?
[11:46] <murchadh> as_28: No. The /tmp/tmpkmail is where you're going to put the converted file. -o is output file, -k is to say kmail format, and finally you give it the directory where your *.pst file is. Say you copy your *.pst to ~/outlook.pst, then readpst -k -o /tmp/tmpkmail ~/outlook.pst
[11:47] <as_28> thank you again
[11:47] <as_28> sorry kernel_i386 i am new
[11:47] <murchadh> ~ means /home/username by the way, it's a shortcut home {Hansel and Grettel could've done with a tilde (~)}
[11:48] <as_28> thanks
[11:48] <as_28> again
[11:48] <kernel_i386> hensel und gretel
[11:48] <murchadh> Sorry!
[11:48] <kernel_i386> np
[11:48] <hawking> when I change a file with kate or some other editor and save it then another file is created with the ending ~ how can i prevent ubuntu create those files?
[11:48] <kernel_i386> ~ are backup files.. or?
[11:48] <hawking> yes
[11:49] <kernel_i386> why not..?
[11:49] <kernel_i386> backup is always good :)
[11:49] <hawking> I do my backups manually
[11:49] <murchadh> as_28: If you open a console and type readpst --help. If you get an error readpst isn't installed correctly. Try it....
[11:50] <as_28> ok
[11:50] <as_28> yes error
[11:51] <Red_Herring> !e17
[11:51] <murchadh> as_28: When you did apt-get install readpst did you get any errors. Do you have adept or kpackage working?
[11:52] <as_28> i am running it again
[11:52] <as_28> to be shure
[11:52] <as_28> its says ok
[11:52] <as_28> i try readpst again
[11:52] <as_28> now it works --help
[11:54] <as_28> i think is not working becouse is outlook 2003
[11:54] <as_28> becouse its says error: could be outlook 2003 file?
[11:55] <Nomad411> http://www.tamera.org/Solar_Power_Village/SPV10_2004_engl.html
[11:55] <Nomad411> argh.. wrong paste
[11:55] <murchadh> You could be right. What was the error message? Does your Windows still work?
[11:55] <Nomad411> Why do torrents crawl on my linux box, no matter what software, with the same settings as my windows box where they run
[11:55] <as_28> yes
[11:55] <Nomad411> liek teh wind
[11:55] <as_28> in another machine
[11:56] <murchadh> You might be able to work around. Export from Outlook to Outlook-Express and use kmailcvt. Bit long-winded but it should work.
[11:57] <as_28> i am doing that know
[11:57] <Red_Herring> church, psh, im not even religious!
[11:57] <murchadh> You're on the ball!
[11:57] <as_28> thank you very much
[11:59] <stian> Hello all, I just did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and rebooted, and I seem to be unable to reach the computer from over the network through ssh (which I have installed, and tried to restart)
[12:01] <googlah> hi ya folks
[12:01] <googlah> i just made a fresh install of kubuntu
[12:01] <murchadh> Nomad41: My Torrents work well under Kubuntu using a Ripwave broadband system (I think it's 800.11g), it sucked under XP. But I think my WinXP system was fried with hackers or trojans or something. I blamed the antenna and supplier for ages but Linux runs on it sweet. Not faulting MS, I didn't have much protection installed. It's pretty easy to firewall Linux, imho.
[12:01] <googlah> but i cant get administrator permissions which i find very strange.