[12:06] <mpt> FaBMak, sorry, that's not implemented yet, bug 2773
[12:06] <Ubugtu> malone bug 2773 in launchpad "Deleting or removing or closing an account" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2773
[12:07] <AlinuxOS> FaBMak, no way out :)
[12:07] <AlinuxOS> You will launchpader forewer! :)
[12:08] <FaBMak> ok, i created two accounts
[12:09] <FaBMak> now i will keep both
[12:14] <mpt> FaBMak, you can merge those accounts
[12:16] <mpt> though *cough* I don't know how you go about doing that
[12:17] <kiko> IIRC /people/+mergeaccount
[12:17] <mpt> Where's that linked from?
[12:18] <FaBMak> this was my bad, using two differents emails
[12:18] <ajmitch_> afternoon
[12:24] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Even more DB perms for Soyuz rollout (r3084: Celso Providelo)
[12:28] <mpt> FaBMak, log in with the account you want to keep, then go to https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[12:29] <ajmitch_> mpt: it's right in the middle of launchpad.net/people
[12:29] <ajmitch_> instead of on the sides with everything else 
[12:29] <mpt> oh, wow
[12:30] <mpt> I even wrote that sentence!
[12:30] <mpt> and I didn't see it
[12:30] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:30] <mpt> well, it's on the wrong page
[12:34] <mpt> bug 30439
[12:34] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30439 in launchpad "Link to page for merging accounts is well-hidden" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30439
[12:34] <FaBMak> i saw this option but i think it's better delete the duplicate account, but how this is not possible yet, i will merge then
[12:35] <FaBMak> thanks
[12:35] <Kinnison> was the malone rollout this exciting?
[12:35] <kiko> yes
[12:35] <Kinnison> how did your heart take it
[12:35] <Kinnison> ?
[12:35] <mpt> yes, but it was a shorter period
[12:36] <Kinnison> malone had what? 25 thousand things to migrate?
[12:36] <mpt> Steve said "James, run the script", and then we all just sat and watched
[12:36] <Kinnison> kiko: how many things has dapper got yet?
[12:36] <kiko> five billion and eighty two
[12:36] <ajmitch_> is that all?
[12:36] <Kinnison> fuck, it was only five billion and eighty one ten minutes ago
[12:36] <Kinnison> it's going up
[12:37] <mpt> that extra one will overload the servers
[12:37] <mpt> and overserve the loaders
[12:37] <ajmitch_> buy more servers
[12:37] <Kinnison> need
[12:37] <Kinnison> more
[12:37] <Kinnison> memory
[12:37] <Kinnison> bandwidth
[12:37] <Kinnison> damnit
[12:37] <kiko> yes we need a octo-processor for Sinnickon
[12:37] <Kinnison> mmm sin
[12:38] <mpt> Processors of Sinnickon Valley
[12:38] <Kinnison> leave my valley out of this
[12:52] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=spiv,r=SteveA]  Big cleanup of the translation form. It should be more easy to update and maintain now. This change lets us to finsh the PoMsgSetPage spec implementation (r3085: Carlos Perell Marn)
[12:52] <carlos> wow, finally...
[12:52] <carlos> night dudes
[12:52] <carlos> see you on Monday!
[12:55] <Kinnison> memory usage went down!
[12:55] <Kinnison> hallelujah!
[12:55] <kiko> heh
[01:02] <Kinnison> guys, say stuff, kiko feels a desperate need to troll
[01:14] <Kinnison>  We will fight for bovine freedom, and hold our large heads high. We will run free with the buffalo, or diiiiiiieeee! Cows with guns.
[01:15] <Kinnison>  The order was given to turn cows to whoppers. Enforced by the might of ten thousand coppers. But on the horizon, surrounding the shoppers, came the deafening roar of chickens in choppers.
[01:29] <mpt> mmmmmm, chicken
[01:56] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Add some notes on Gina's breakage on bin-only-NMUs (r3087: Christian Reis)
[01:56] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=kiko]  Make the build state titles more human friendly/useful. (r3086: James Troup)
[01:57] <kiko> yay
[01:57] <kiko> yay
[01:57] <kiko> yay
[01:57] <ddaa> hey kiko
[01:57] <kiko> hey ddaa 
[01:57] <kiko> no sleep for the wicked?
[01:57] <ddaa> want to look at my latest docs?
[01:57] <kiko> I can't tonight
[01:57] <kiko> I am dying
[01:58] <ddaa> now with plenty of new UML diagrams and html export :->
[01:58] <kiko> heh
[01:58] <ddaa> not asking to read, just want to give you inspiration :P
[01:58] <ddaa> I'm dying to anyway.
[01:58] <ddaa> You should really give up this old TeX thing.
[01:59] <ddaa> I might even take it as personal failure, I gave almost two years of my life trying to make texmacs suck less.
[02:00] <kiko> hey latex is the future
[02:00] <kiko> and I'm not paying ANY attention to you la la la
[02:00] <ddaa> man, latex is sooooo pass!
[02:01] <Kinnison> yeah, proper vulcanised rubber is so clearly the future
[02:01] <ddaa> mhmh...
[02:02] <ddaa> maybe I'll call my future structured typographic system (like when I'm rich or on a sabbatical) "rubber"...
[02:07] <cprov> ddaa: where is your doc, let me have a look ...
[02:07] <ddaa> https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~david/bzr-launchpad/bzr-launchpad.ps
[02:07] <ddaa> https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~david/bzr-launchpad/bzr-launchpad.html
[02:07] <ddaa> I'll get it in rocketfuel early next week
[02:08] <ddaa> bah, some bastard earned 4ME... and it's not me...
[02:08] <ddaa> cprov: don't hurt yourself, it's heavy stuff
[02:12] <cprov> ddaa: actually, it's quite nice and not so complicated, you have very good sense for diagrams, they are very legible, even if the theme is sort of __hardcore__  
[02:12] <cprov> ddaa: I liked it, congratulations dude
[02:12] <ddaa> you've got no idea how much time I spent on those
[02:13] <cprov> ddaa: are you using dia ?
[02:13] <ddaa> Yup.
[02:13] <ddaa> Great stuff.
[02:13] <ddaa> Thank you for the praise, I love that.
[02:13] <cprov> ddaa: I do have, did some diagrams for soyuz infra ...
[02:14] <cprov> ddaa: you deserve it, I know it costs days of hard work, you rock !
[02:36] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  fix emacs TAGS generation in Makefile (r3088: James Troup)
[05:35] <monzie> i want to contribute to Ubuntu
[05:35] <monzie> i have Debian administering/packaging experience
[05:35] <monzie> pease tell where my skills will be needed the most
[05:53] <kiko> monzie, visit #ubuntu-motu
[07:41] <kiko> yawn
[07:55] <mpt> still awake, kiko?
[07:56] <kiko> unfortunately no
[07:58] <kiko> I am rubbing my eyes and typing
[07:58] <kiko> but no, I can't really say I'm awake
[08:01] <mpt> kiko, do you remember when you turned off the auto-bug-summarization code?
[08:01] <kiko> I will need a better description of said code 
[08:02] <mpt> the code that took the first sentence of a bug report's description and inserted it into the "summary" field
[08:03] <kiko> did /I/ turn that off? it was a long time ago if so
[08:04] <mpt> about bug 1380...
[08:04] <mpt> ok, #1384 has an auto-summary and #1385 does not
[08:16] <mpt> jamesh, ping
[08:19] <kiko> yeah, good idea, jamesh ping?
[09:17] <mpt> YES
[09:23] <mpt> jamesh, de-ping
[09:47] <kiko> mdz!
[09:47] <mdz> good morning
[09:47] <kiko> how are you?
[09:47] <mdz> that depends
[09:47] <kiko> Kinnison needs to give me +v in #soyuzrollout
[09:47] <kiko> we're just doing the final touches on putting everything online
[09:47] <kiko> thank you for your patience
[09:48] <mdz> fabio is awake and would like to know his fate
[09:48] <mdz> if everything is not online soon, there could be a controversy over interpretation of the bet
[09:49] <kiko> well
[09:49] <kiko> fabbione's fate was sealed the moment he made that bet
[09:50] <kiko> honestly, there were no surprises overnight
[09:50] <kiko> the process just involves many steps
[09:50] <mdz> I think I misinterpreted your original message as 6 hours of downtime rather than 18
[09:51] <Kinnison> Hey dudes
[09:52] <kiko> morning Kinnison 
[09:52] <kiko> nice to see you rise and shine
[09:52] <Kinnison> Sorry I was so long, I figured I'd actually try and get some sleep
[09:53] <Kinnison> Are we physically anywhere useful or should I stay here in my room?
[09:53] <Kinnison> cprov is still dead to the world and it may be best to leave him there
[09:53] <Kinnison> the poor guy was so tired
[09:53] <mdz> does he know what is at stake?
[09:54] <Kinnison> He does
[09:54] <Kinnison> but to be honest there's little he could do right now
[09:54] <fabbione> are we there yet?
[09:54] <fabbione> :)
[09:54] <Kinnison> kiko: So is James doing the rsync now?
[09:54] <fabbione> kiko: sooooooo do i need to shave or not?
[09:55] <Kinnison> fabbione: very almost. All pretty much on track for our original projections
[09:56] <fabbione> Kinnison: good job.. i will shave my head with pleasure if all goes well
[09:56] <fabbione> otherwise i will enjoy mdz's beer :)
[09:56] <mdz> everyone will
[09:57] <kiko> Kinnison, yes, he's doing the rsync tests now, will take a bit
[09:57] <Kinnison> kiko: right, cool
[09:58] <Kinnison> kiko: are you updating the wiki page and channel?
[09:58] <Keybuk> you realise the roll-out will not be complete until someone brings a set of hair-clippers to ExCeL
[09:59] <Kinnison> is that where you guys are?
[09:59] <Keybuk> yeah
[10:00] <Kinnison> Well that saves me asking again later :-)
[10:00] <kiko> Kinnison, yes, I am
[10:04] <mdz> Keybuk: that won't be necessary
[10:04] <mdz> we're all coming in to central London tonight
[10:05] <fabbione> kiko: you better show up this evening :)
[10:05] <fabbione> kiko: i am trusty
[10:05] <fabbione> oh how the hell you spell it
[10:05] <kiko> I am awake and my spirits are high
[10:11] <SteveA> hmm, beer
[10:13] <GaNjA`ShAiTaN> hi
[10:37] <Keybuk> a Soyuz web-app "related packages" feature would be nice
[10:37] <Keybuk> so from alsa-base I could see "alsa-utils" :)
[10:37] <Kinnison> file a bug I guess
[10:37] <Keybuk> is it possible?
[10:38] <Kinnison> umm let's have a quick ponder
[10:38] <Kinnison> how do you define 'related' ?
[10:40] <Keybuk> <WAVE HANDS WILDLY>
[10:41] <Keybuk> "People who fixed bugs on FOO often fixed bugs on BAR too"
[10:41] <kiko> omg
[10:42] <mdz> a link to the bug contact (ubuntu-audio) which should have a link to the other packages for which it is a contact
[10:42] <mdz> though it doesn't yet
[10:43] <Kinnison> Keybuk: that sounds like we need some kind of heuristic analyst which looks at activity in a distro and tries to make/break links between people and packages
[10:43] <Kinnison> Keybuk: this is way more than a UI change
[11:32] <mdke> is it possible to unsubscribe someone from a bug in malone?
[11:34] <mdke> right now, the documentation team mailing list is qa on every bug in ubuntu-docs, which is good. But what we'd like is for only the first message to go to the list. If possible, this would happen automatically, but if necessary, I'd like to remove the subscription manually. Can I do this?
[11:41] <mdz> mdke: no, not presently
[11:41] <mdke> mdz, ok thanks
[11:41] <mdke> so groups can't be unsubscribed from bugs at all?
[11:42] <mdz> correct, it's a bug
[11:42] <mdz> bradb is aware of the problem, but I can't find a bug report in malone
[11:42] <mdz> it may be that it isn't filed yet
[11:42] <mdke> i might do one if I can't find it either
[11:42] <mdke> thanks
[11:44] <BjornT> mdke: well, you can unsubscribe people/teams using the email interface
[11:59] <mdz> Kinnison: how is the publisher doing?
[12:01] <siretart> would it be possible to make looking at buildlogs less painfull?
[12:03] <kiko-fud> yes
[12:03] <kiko-fud> it will be less painful on tuesday
[12:04] <mdz> that is a tuesday problem
[12:04] <mdz> how are we doing on today?
[12:04] <kiko-fud> there is code in RF already that improves that
[12:04] <kiko-fud> we're doing well
[12:04] <kiko-fud> waiting for publisher run 1
[12:06] <mdz> a publisher run is ~30m?
[12:06] <Kinnison> Normally yes
[12:06] <Kinnison> but this one has a huge number of gina fuckage/unfuckage
[12:11] <Kinnison> Sodding gina
[12:11] <Kinnison> hatesses her we do
[12:33] <kiko> morning matsubara 
[12:34] <matsubara> good morning Kiko
[12:42] <kiko> how's it going?
[12:46] <fabbione> kiko: 15 minutes left for the transition
[12:46] <fabbione> or i get more beer :)
[12:48] <kiko> fabbione, it is inevitable, though it may delay a bit -- THE ROLLOUT WILL HAPPEN
[12:48] <fabbione> kiko: i am sure it will happen
[12:49] <fabbione> i am just looking at the clock and other stuff to match the bet with mdz
[12:49] <fabbione> so if you want to look at me shaved you better hurry up
[12:49] <fabbione> or pass by an atm before this evening ;)
[12:49] <kiko> looking at the clock is for sissie
[12:49] <kiko> s
[12:49] <fabbione> kiko: and to be hounest i wish to go back home without hair.. really
[12:49] <kiko> real men take their bets to the limit
[12:49] <fabbione> i want this over for all of us
[12:49] <kiko> well
[12:50] <kiko> we will need 20 more minutes for the publisher to finish running
[12:50] <fabbione> ok
[12:50] <kiko> perhaps another 40 for a second publisher run if we are unlucky
[12:50] <kiko> then we update dns
[12:50] <fabbione> ok i will extend the bet :)
[12:50] <kiko> and the mirrors
[12:50] <kiko> tell you what -- extend the bet and we will shave you AND buy you beer
[12:50] <fabbione> ahhaha
[12:50] <fabbione> ok
[12:50] <fabbione> deal
[12:50] <kiko> that way we all win
[12:51] <fabbione> we need shaving equipment tho
[12:51] <fabbione> does LP supports external shaving over IP?
[12:51] <kiko> it does but it requires you have a preferred email address and 750 karma points
[12:58] <jordi> kiko: I want to try it
[12:58] <jordi> I have like billions of karma points
[12:59] <kiko> you also need to weigh more than 45kg to participate
[01:08] <kiko> Unpublishing death row.
[01:08] <Kinnison> this is gonna take a little while
[01:08] <Kinnison> :-)
[01:09] <kiko> hopefully less than last time
[01:17] <fabbione> kiko: i can't answer on #soyuzrollout :)
[01:18] <kiko> that is the entire point of this exercise :)
[01:23] <fabbione> kiko: so are uploads processed now? as in ARE WE THERE YET?
[01:23] <kiko> fabbione, we have a golden archive from the comparator's viewpoint
[01:24] <fabbione> kiko: cool
[01:24] <kiko> elmo is looking at rsync effects of the pool change
[01:39] <fabbione> kiko: how bad does it look for the mirror?
[01:39] <fabbione> +s
[01:40] <kiko> 2.3G
[01:40] <mdz> why so much?
[01:40] <fabbione> that's... that's... INSANE
[01:40] <fabbione> timestamp screwage?
[01:41] <kiko> there's two main causes
[01:42] <kiko> first, because we are (at least in some cases) not moving sources around when the binaries change component
[01:42] <kiko> second, because of the change in policy to link main -> universe whenever possible
[01:42] <fabbione> why did you change policy?
[01:42] <Kinnison> to make a just-main mirror more correct
[01:50] <fabbione> Kinnison, kiko: are all these policy changes going to affect only dapper?
[01:50] <jordi> my bad
[01:50] <fabbione> or do we need to go and check from warty back to NOW
[01:51] <Kinnison> fabbione: it affects the pool as a whole
[01:51] <kiko> fabbione, the symlinks are in place where they need to be.
[01:51] <kiko> Kinnison, let's un-m #soyuzrollout?
[01:51] <Kinnison> okay
[01:54] <mdz> Kinnison: oh god, PLEASE tell me you aren't still calling it cron.daily
[01:54] <Kinnison> mdz: for the short term, yes
[01:54] <kiko> it almost takes a day to run anyway
[01:54] <Kinnison> mdz: just so we kept terminology shear small while we were deploying
[01:54] <mdz> that is not a very funny joke
[01:59] <weedar> For some reason I can't log on to my account
[02:00] <weedar> Can anyone help?
[02:08] <weedar> How do I sign codes of conduct?
[02:08] <kiko> log into launchpad, download and sign the content, push it back up
[02:09] <weedar> Well, it's the "sign the content"-part I dont get
[02:09] <weedar> How do I do that?
[02:09] <fabbione> weedar: with gpg
[02:09] <fabbione> if you don't know what gpg is, there is a lot of documentation on the web
[02:10] <weedar> Ah, no I have it installed. It's just that it wasn't obvious (to me anyway) that that was what was needed :)
[02:17] <weedar> I get an error, str: no public key
[02:19] <fabbione> weedar: gpg implies that you read the manual, understand what gpg is and so on..
[02:19] <fabbione> if you have never used gpg before, you must do some extensive reading
[02:19] <weedar> I use it all the time to encrypt and decrypt messages
[02:19] <weedar> And it works, which is why I'm bothered as to why when I chose sign/Verify clipboard and then paste the contents it doesn't work
[02:20] <weedar> I also tried adding my public key to the contents, but that didn't help either
[02:21] <fabbione> no you need to add you pub key to launchpad
[02:21] <fabbione> in the person section
[02:21] <weedar> ah, okay :)
[02:29] <weedar> fabbione, when I am told to upload my key to a keyserver, will wwwkeys.pgp.net do?
[02:34] <fabbione> weedar: yes, but it will take time to propagate, you can also upload to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[02:34] <weedar> In time, will keyserver.ubuntu.com "download" my key or should I for some reason also upload to keyserver.ubuntu.com ?
[02:35] <fabbione> it usually takes about 5 minutes for a key to propagate over the keyserver network
[02:35] <fabbione> so it will eventually hit keyserver.ubuntu.com, but time is not always exact
[02:36] <weedar> Ok, it works now. I think somebody once mentioned patience beeing a virtue, but I didn't have the time to listen..
[02:42] <weedar> Am I required to something else to be able to use my launchpad account to log on to the ubuntu wiki fabbione ?
[02:43] <fabbione> weedar: not that i know of
[02:43] <weedar> Because I am in the launchpad, logged in. But when trying to logon to the ubuntu wiki I get "wrong password" error
[02:44] <fabbione> weedar: i dunno.. it might take time to propagate
[02:46] <weedar> Okay. I hope that is the reason, I can't remember the last time I've been this frustrated
[02:47] <weedar> By the way, thanks for all your help so far, you've kept me sane this last hour
[04:13] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:31] <jbailey> Trying here before filing a bug.  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+search?text=at claims that there's no source package "at" in Ubuntu.  I'm fairly certain there is.
[04:31] <jbailey> Which of us is confused?
[04:32] <Kinnison> the statistician may be confused
[04:33] <jbailey> Kinnison: Sorry, I'm not sure if you're 1) Being Humourous, 2) Sleep Deprived, 3) Refering to something I've never heard of.
[04:33] <jbailey> =)
[04:33] <Kinnison> 3
[04:33] <Kinnison> and 2
[04:33] <Kinnison> definitely not 1
[04:33] <Kinnison> well, not deliberately anyway
[04:34] <jbailey> Ah. =)
[04:34] <jbailey> Is there something I can usefull report on this/
[04:36] <Kinnison> 1. report a bug in /products/soyuz
[04:37] <Kinnison> 2. 'at' may be a stopword in the fti we use
[04:38] <Kinnison> 3. /distros/ubuntu/+source/<spn> is useful if you already know the name
[04:38] <ddaa> sorry guys, that just made me laugh too much to escape the quotes page
[04:46] <sivang> Kinnison: I know you're famour there :-)
[04:46] <sivang> s/famour/famous/
[04:48] <ddaa> well, there's a number of quotes which might too offensive for publication...
[04:48] <sivang> ddaa: Kinnison's ? 
[04:49] <ddaa> "<kiko> do babies count as humans?"
[04:49] <sivang> hehe
[04:49] <ddaa> "< lifeless> hmmm. flaming hamster sucking plastic anal violation ? < thom> lifeless: yes, it's an alias for tla :P"
[04:49] <sivang> hehe
[04:50] <sivang> ddaa: are you also in the soyuz sprint ?
[04:50] <ddaa> nope
[04:50] <ddaa> these are old quotes
[04:50] <sivang> ddaa: anything by Kinnison , new? :)
[04:51] <sivang> ah, jblack is not around, too bad.
[04:51] <ddaa> Nothing very recent
[04:51] <ddaa> "<kiko> man
 3 days with no head
 wtf
 kiko: you must have been bursting
 oh, you mean source code"
[04:53] <ddaa> Not much from Kinnison really
[04:53] <ddaa> "<sabdfl> Germany, Amsterdam, The Netherlands; countries like that."
[04:53] <ddaa> "Mark: does anyone know how got a bottle of liquid latex in my pocket?"
[04:53] <sivang> HAHAHA
[04:54] <sivang> ddaa: the last once was in UBZ, I was near Mark when he discovered that :)
[04:54] <sivang> but I liked the first one btter
[04:54] <ddaa> I was not around, I'm quite sad :)
[04:54] <sivang> ddaa: he tried to pass it around, and everybody got away from him :)
[04:55] <ddaa> <jblack's activity report> * (.25h) Touched elmo for planet.bazaar.canonical.com
[04:55] <ddaa> Oh, yes ther's a famous one
[04:55] <ddaa> Spec Writing
 pink is nominally green unless it has yellow written on it 
[04:56] <sivang> :-)
[04:56] <sivang> what that thing about spec writing?
[04:56] <sivang> I didnt' uunderstand the joke ..
[04:57] <ddaa> I guess it was about nonsensical specs
[04:58] <ddaa> One of the more offensive ones (pretty old one): <Kinnison> But to fix that, we'd need to re-engineer Tom Lord's arsecrack.
 My knowledge of quebecois is limited to holding my nose whilst speaking french 
[05:00] <ddaa> not much funny stuff from Kinni on the quotes page
[05:01] <sivang> ah I see, I recall marilize going over Kinni's ones in UBZ and ROTFLing
[05:03] <Kinnison> It often needs context
[05:04] <Kinnison> and people aren't always good at recording context
[05:04] <sivang> probably.
[05:05] <sivang> Kinnison: how are you ,?
[05:05] <Kinnison> sivang: very very very tired
[05:05] <sivang> oh dear.
[05:05] <Kinnison> tonight I will sleep the sleep of the dead
[05:07] <sivang> were you hacking on soyuz till late?
[05:08] <Kinnison> soyuz deployed last night / this morning
[05:08] <Kinnison> ubuntu is now run on launchpad
[05:08] <Kinnison> OMG
[05:08] <sivang> OMG
[05:08] <sivang> heap of bugs?
[05:08] <Kinnison> heap of tired kinnimess
[05:09] <sivang> so now archive.u.com was produced by lp ?
[05:09] <Kinnison> yes
[05:24] <tseng> can someone force an account merge for me given a gpg signature?
[05:24] <tseng> one of the mail accounts involved isnt working properly
[06:49] <meba> hi
[06:51] <meba> i just have one note to Rosetta translator: i did not found possibility to search strings, is it possible? If not, i think it should be implemented, because i just found one untranslated string in gnome-panel for ubuntu dapper and i am trying to find it to translate it...
[09:28] <[NT] DiMoS> , ,   ?
[09:31] <[NT] DiMoS> , ,  ?