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| Tm_T | artnay: FINALLY! (yeah, code might be ugly but it works here!) http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-basic-03.svg | 09:04 |
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| klepas | Tm_T: looks clean and sharp (the image, heven't peaked at the xml) :) | 09:07 |
| Tm_T | so it works, good | 09:13 |
| Tm_T | earlier I had problem with xml | 09:14 |
| Tm_T | now save as plain svg, read, modify, save as plain svg, read, modify back fixed the problem :p | 09:14 |
| klepas | cool | 09:16 |
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| artnay | hey guys | 02:35 |
| artnay | damn, I missed the meeting :( | 02:35 |
| artnay | I've had some serious problems with all my computers (like not getting further from BIOS) | 02:36 |
| artnay | one lost VGA signal etc. | 02:36 |
| klepas | hey artnay ! | 02:36 |
| artnay | and they are all broken at the moment | 02:36 |
| artnay | hey klepas | 02:36 |
| artnay | how was the meeting? | 02:36 |
| klepas | hey man, been a while now | 02:36 |
| klepas | i didn't know about it | 02:36 |
| klepas | just sort of was on at the right time | 02:36 |
| artnay | so did you have it? | 02:37 |
| klepas | not much happened | 02:37 |
| klepas | yea | 02:37 |
| artnay | great | 02:37 |
| artnay | well that doesn't surprise me | 02:37 |
| artnay | at least henrik was present, that's good. I've wanted to chat with him for a while now | 02:37 |
| artnay | I really need to get some new HW so that all computers would be functional | 02:38 |
| artnay | klepas: so school started, eh? | 02:39 |
| artnay | how was LCA? | 02:39 |
| klepas | no | 02:39 |
| klepas | that is monday | 02:39 |
| klepas | artnay: LCA was the most fun i've had for a very, very long time | 02:39 |
| klepas | check my blog man :) | 02:39 |
| artnay | what about andy's icon set? | 02:39 |
| artnay | do we something to play with? | 02:40 |
| artnay | *insert have* | 02:41 |
| klepas | andy is working on something as a sort of shot-off of tango | 02:42 |
| klepas | canonical will hire more graphic artists | 02:42 |
| klepas | especially one to do a set | 02:42 |
| klepas | and our influence on what goes into mainstream won't change | 02:42 |
| klepas | that doesn't mean some of our wallpapers or splashes might not make it into dapper or future releases | 02:43 |
| klepas | they just need to be very good | 02:43 |
| klepas | as for artwork in general we are encouraged to make and maintain art packages | 02:44 |
| klepas | if they are good and popular enough entire packages might be included in mainstream | 02:44 |
| klepas | that's the jist of it pretty much | 02:44 |
| artnay | oh, really? I was told that there was plans to hire experts but nothing happened with it | 02:44 |
| artnay | so dapper+1 then | 02:45 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Evaluation/MetacityTheme | 02:45 |
| artnay | what's the main difference between cl2 and unity-no-red? if I recall correctly, unity does not waste that much space | 02:46 |
| artnay | but then, that goes against "the bigger the better when it comes to important functions" principle | 02:46 |
| artnay | at least I think that the current metacity theme has too big buttons | 02:47 |
| artnay | ...if you take account that X will not get configured correctly, you end up with terrible large metacity theme and low resolution :o | 02:47 |
| klepas | i'm personally fond of a brown version of tango metacity | 02:50 |
| klepas | :) | 02:50 |
| artnay | the edge is terribly large by default | 02:53 |
| klepas | yea, true | 02:53 |
| klepas | but it could be fixed :) | 02:53 |
| klepas | btw, using gnome now | 02:53 |
| klepas | on ubuntu | 02:53 |
| artnay | sorry guys, I'm using vista at the moment (friend's computer) and its windeco (aero black) is pretty damn decent | 02:53 |
| artnay | much better than xp's luna | 02:54 |
| klepas | http://wombat.nuxified.com/files/mydesktop_06-02-03.jpg | 02:54 |
| artnay | I find this better than OS X's traffic lights. maybe because this one reflects much better when cursor goes over buttons | 02:55 |
| artnay | what, klepas using G? :P | 02:55 |
| klepas | artnay: read my blog... :P | 02:56 |
| klepas | reasons are covered there | 02:56 |
| artnay | ok | 02:57 |
| artnay | so how was the change? | 02:57 |
| klepas | i'm still somewhat going through it | 02:58 |
| klepas | lots of things in gnome that really shitting me | 02:58 |
| klepas | and kubuntu annoyed me even more | 02:58 |
| klepas | gnome it is for a while | 02:59 |
| artnay | so was there any word of schedule for andrew's icon set? | 02:59 |
| artnay | hmm | 03:00 |
| artnay | hopefully kubuntu will get more (financial and dev) focus after dapper | 03:00 |
| klepas | i probably ought to properly explain what andy wants to do | 03:02 |
| klepas | basically rather than make so many icon sets, each with a different colouration and such | 03:02 |
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| klepas | because it really is a lot of work | 03:02 |
| klepas | he wants to make a sort of generic set | 03:02 |
| artnay | I know, he explained it to me some time ago | 03:02 |
| klepas | which can be altered really quickly | 03:02 |
| klepas | ah, good | 03:02 |
| artnay | sounds reasonable | 03:03 |
| klepas | he wants to integrate it into tango | 03:03 |
| klepas | yea | 03:03 |
| artnay | that way just adapt ubuntu's palette to it and voila | 03:03 |
| klepas | he didn't inform me of any timeframe | 03:03 |
| klepas | andy is a great guy btw | 03:03 |
| artnay | so let's assume that is not for dapper | 03:03 |
| klepas | no | 03:03 |
| klepas | definitely not | 03:03 |
| artnay | damn, I'm missing words every once in a while | 03:03 |
| klepas | canonical is hiring a graphic artists from scandinavia to do it | 03:03 |
| artnay | why scandinavia? | 03:04 |
| klepas | for dapper | 03:04 |
| klepas | no idea | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:04 |
| klepas | i guess the guy just lives there that they had in mind | 03:04 |
| artnay | umh, they will have some really busy time | 03:04 |
| klepas | mark didn't hint on his name | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | we can still make a difference with AUC | 03:04 |
| artnay | jsgotangco: we actually should make | 03:04 |
| klepas | well i don't really care if they want the art team to not really have any major influence on mainstream art | 03:04 |
| artnay | that's a necessity if you ask me :o | 03:04 |
| klepas | more work for them | 03:05 |
| klepas | and if they or their artists bugger up not my problem | 03:05 |
| artnay | me neither, I'd just like to see some proper plans | 03:05 |
| klepas | yea | 03:05 |
| klepas | i'm going to ask Jeff to re-inforce the fact that we really don't get to decide what goes into mainstream | 03:05 |
| artnay | hmm, damn NAT. it's giving me a headache with this ssh connection | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | :/ | 03:07 |
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| artnay | hmm, I was told something really different by two canonical devs | 03:07 |
| artnay | so, yes, announce the facts and there will be misunderstandings | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | 2 different things? | 03:08 |
| artnay | *NO* | 03:08 |
| artnay | as I said, I'm missing words here :) | 03:08 |
| klepas | jsgotangco: you're using gnome? | 03:08 |
| artnay | 2 different things, yeah. you could sum that up to one thing, there really are no proper plans to be announced :( | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | (i can switch to kde if you need something) | 03:09 |
| klepas | ah, goodie | 03:09 |
| klepas | nah, i've just moved to gnome | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | what's up? | 03:09 |
| klepas | i'm after a good gtk rss feed aggregator | 03:09 |
| klepas | wondering whether you could recommend some good ones :) | 03:09 |
| artnay | liferea is my bet | 03:09 |
| artnay | or thunderbird | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | im using liferea | 03:10 |
| klepas | i dislike thunderbird | 03:10 |
| artnay | haven't really used GTK apps for some time | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | i used to have blam but since since i found lifrea, i've stuck to it | 03:10 |
| klepas | alrighty, i'll give it a go | 03:13 |
| klepas | hey you two | 03:14 |
| klepas | my personal suggestion is we just let canonical do their stuff | 03:14 |
| klepas | and we'll fix this wiki so others who join the team aren't under the notion that they can directly get their work into mainstream | 03:14 |
| klepas | and they we can produce and manage some universe art packages | 03:15 |
| klepas | and do some work aside from that which might go into mainstream | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | well yes i was thinking more of cultivating community so that they'll see what we can actually do | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | packaging them won't be a problem | 03:17 |
| klepas | jsgotangco: i just cba fighting what canonical, mark and others think in regards to this | 03:20 |
| klepas | because it will mean distraction from what i want to work on | 03:20 |
| klepas | and senseless frustration | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | too bad i didnt get the chance to discuss that much art stuff with mark when i had lunch with him last thursday :/ | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | we discussed more about docs | 03:23 |
| artnay | hmm | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | i dont think art has its own repository even | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | but that's only secondary | 03:24 |
| artnay | I agree that wiki should be fixed | 03:24 |
| artnay | but how? henrik made some big changes but I don't follow them | 03:24 |
| artnay | there was this wiki page for wiki structure proposal (thanks to mhz for that) | 03:25 |
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| artnay | for example /Artwork should be renewed (there are dupe links) but now I have no idea how to set it up | 03:26 |
| klepas | yea | 03:27 |
| klepas | and it should be /ArtWork | 03:27 |
| klepas | for CamelCase purposes | 03:27 |
| artnay | no offense but I think that the renewal of /Artwork missed the point | 03:28 |
| artnay | I think news section is essential | 03:28 |
| klepas | yep | 03:28 |
| artnay | on the main page... | 03:28 |
| klepas | i won't have time to have a look at it | 03:28 |
| klepas | damn college begins monday | 03:28 |
| klepas | and i've got to get this damn system working how i like it before then | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | what do you suggest on the wiki page i can help out with markup | 03:29 |
| Tm_T | artnay: moin | 03:29 |
| klepas | btw jsgotangco, liferea is really nice. cheers :) | 03:31 |
| artnay | well my suggestion was what I set up last time | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | oh goodie | 03:33 |
| artnay | I see no point in official wiki page. that one should be combined with marketing team's web button page etc. | 03:33 |
| artnay | and separate all the logos under different /*buntuArtwork pages | 03:33 |
| artnay | and you could navigate to those /*buntuArtwork pages though /Artwork | 03:34 |
| artnay | and the general feedback page is kind of useless. it *should* receive so much comments that it would be hard to navigate it | 03:38 |
| artnay | my proposal was to have a wiki page for each project. one to contain dependencies, members, current state, issues etc. | 03:38 |
| artnay | and other one for wip artwork and comments | 03:38 |
| artnay | it would be easier to track the comments that have something to do with projects one is interested of | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | UbuntuArtwork/KubuntuArtwork/etc? | 03:39 |
| artnay | jsgotangco: UbuntuArtwork, KubuntuArtwork, EdubuntuArtwork and XubuntuArtwork for now (in order of appereance) | 03:40 |
| artnay | but the issue was how to cover those projects that are being worked on several *buntus | 03:40 |
| artnay | mainly UbuntuArtwork and EdubuntuArtwork as they use the same GNOME software in many cases | 03:41 |
| artnay | so, we would have ended to /Artwork/UbuntuArtwork/Metacity etc. | 03:42 |
| artnay | I find the current structure much harder to navigate as it hides a lot of essential information under several pages | 03:43 |
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| artnay | I consider /ArtworkTeam/Proposals to be the most important page currently, but it's hidden and the links are without explanations | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm xchat is locking up on me again | 03:45 |
| artnay | mhz_dinner: | 03:45 |
| artnay | how's gnome-xchat anyways? | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | hideous in my opinion | 03:46 |
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| artnay | hey, GNOME's splash | 03:47 |
| artnay | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108761&page=4 - #1 and #33 | 03:50 |
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| artnay | any comments on those? if the metacity theme will be rounded, how about using the third one on #1? #33 is a nice approach, try it :o | 03:53 |
| klepas | 33 is nice | 03:55 |
| klepas | but i doubt we have any say in the matter | 03:55 |
| artnay | umh, isn't that against CoC? ;p | 03:56 |
| artnay | I mean, of course we should have some input, but the decision would be made by canonical devs and mark | 03:56 |
| artnay | and if they don't have time for that nor hired experts, who will do that? | 03:57 |
| klepas | yea, i guess | 04:00 |
| klepas | i might have a crack at it then after i do this splash for sweep :) | 04:00 |
| artnay | how about background? | 04:07 |
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| asdax | hallo everybody | 04:08 |
| artnay | hey | 04:08 |
| asdax | i think all the pixel graphics icons should be replaced with svg in the next realese | 04:08 |
| artnay | what's on your mind? | 04:08 |
| asdax | if it would be possible, it is much cooler when you can scale all icons | 04:08 |
| artnay | it's not possible in every case AFAIK | 04:08 |
| asdax | witch case not? | 04:08 |
| artnay | and SVGs are heavier than PNGs | 04:09 |
| klepas | asdax: that is up to whether the underlying technology can | 04:09 |
| artnay | but yes, I love SVGs | 04:09 |
| klepas | not the artists | 04:09 |
| artnay | :) | 04:09 |
| asdax | not when they are rederd once | 04:09 |
| asdax | :P | 04:09 |
| asdax | but like all desktop icons | 04:09 |
| klepas | for example Qt in KDE 4 will have full SVG support | 04:09 |
| asdax | becouse its very nice when one can scale them (i use big icons) | 04:09 |
| artnay | asdax: I fully agree on that | 04:09 |
| klepas | asdax: rendering a PNG icon is easier for the computer than rendering SVGs | 04:09 |
| asdax | but i had to replace alot of icons that where pixelbased becouse they looked so ugly when they where scaled | 04:10 |
| artnay | yep, and it's much easier to change colours when you don't need gimp files etc. | 04:10 |
| asdax | yes :) | 04:10 |
| artnay | asdax: but the case is that we have no clue of the next icon set | 04:10 |
| asdax | are you all active in the making of the graphics for the next realese of ubuntu? | 04:10 |
| artnay | yasis is one chance | 04:10 |
| artnay | no we're not | 04:10 |
| asdax | oki | 04:11 |
| asdax | i could contribute some svg graphics | 04:11 |
| asdax | i made my own icon for the harddrive becouse that one was pixelbased | 04:11 |
| artnay | that would be great | 04:11 |
| artnay | yep | 04:11 |
| asdax | where does the graphics developers hang around? | 04:11 |
| asdax | or who to contact about such things? | 04:11 |
| artnay | my suggestion would be to use human yasis as a base icon set and then modify it heavily | 04:11 |
| artnay | use some tango icons, some andy's icons etc. | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | you mean art that comes in the distro? that's contracted outside | 04:12 |
| asdax | oki | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | the tango icons need some changes | 04:12 |
| artnay | just use ubuntu palette in those icons and add a unified reflection to all icons | 04:12 |
| asdax | is that the one that is the default in breezer? | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | to match the palette | 04:12 |
| artnay | from left above, just like tango is doing | 04:12 |
| asdax | who is tango? | 04:13 |
| artnay | jsgotangco: yep, I think tango is a bit too colourful | 04:13 |
| artnay | just type "tango icon project" in your fx's address bar | 04:14 |
| artnay | that will do it :) | 04:14 |
| asdax | i have no tango command | 04:14 |
| artnay | wait, I'll give you the address | 04:15 |
| asdax | but the people in here are the onces responsible for the graphics shiped with ubuntu? | 04:15 |
| artnay | http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery | 04:15 |
| klepas | i might be off | 04:15 |
| klepas | good night folks | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | night klepas | 04:15 |
| artnay | its license is CC-SA 2.5 which is debian takes as a free license | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | have a good one | 04:15 |
| klepas | cheers | 04:16 |
| artnay | it permits everyone to change the palette etc. | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:16 |
| artnay | no, none of us here is responsible for what is being included in default installation | 04:16 |
| asdax | i want to get involved alite with that | 04:16 |
| asdax | i like to make svg graphics :) | 04:16 |
| asdax | who are working with that then? | 04:17 |
| artnay | sure, one thing would to form a team to be responsible for the icon set | 04:17 |
| artnay | umh, I don't have any idea of that :o | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | that's contracted outside for now (especially the wallpaper) | 04:17 |
| artnay | I don't know who did the background, who did the metacity theme etc. | 04:17 |
| artnay | jsgotangco: which parts of DE have been outsourced? | 04:18 |
| asdax | :P | 04:18 |
| artnay | artwork in ubuntu to be precise | 04:18 |
| asdax | so what are people in here doing then? | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | asdax, we're trying to form a team you see | 04:19 |
| asdax | aha | 04:19 |
| artnay | asdax: umh, tweaking their own DEs and having a chat with people interested in ubuntu artwork | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | and we've been trying to do that since breezy | 04:19 |
| asdax | what is a DE? | 04:19 |
| artnay | acronym for desktop enviroment | 04:19 |
| artnay | damn typos | 04:19 |
| asdax | oki | 04:19 |
| artnay | jsgotangco: yes, but there are a few things that have been preventing people to fully contribute on ubuntu artwork | 04:20 |
| asdax | what things? | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | well there's a.u.c. but its terribly tedious work for admins | 04:21 |
| artnay | the lack of information, clear goals, disorganization | 04:21 |
| asdax | oki | 04:21 |
| asdax | auc? is that on organisation? | 04:21 |
| artnay | we've been trying to get answers to our questions but haven't succeded in that | 04:22 |
| asdax | :P | 04:22 |
| artnay | no, it's http://art.ubuntu.com | 04:22 |
| asdax | seems to be very much disorganisation then ;) | 04:22 |
| artnay | AUC should be the primary web site for ubuntu artwork | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | silbs used to be involved but she seemed a bit busy lately | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | artnay, yes, me and henrik talked about moving it to moin | 04:23 |
| artnay | jsgotangco: volvo and I have sent several mails to different people without getting replies | 04:23 |
| asdax | oki | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | who? | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | jeff? | 04:23 |
| artnay | and we have even /msg'd "hey, drop me a msg when you're there" | 04:23 |
| asdax | hope the rest of the ubuntu project is better organaiset :P | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | asdax, define organized :) | 04:24 |
| artnay | jsgotangco: no, not jeff. I've spoken to many devs and they have instructed to contact PR people | 04:24 |
| asdax | :P | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | PR people? | 04:24 |
| artnay | Jane* | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | silber? | 04:24 |
| artnay | and W | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | but JaneW is a project person | 04:24 |
| artnay | volvo sent his first mail back in july | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | she's not involved in development at all | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | she'll pass whatever info/email she gets to a dev or a community member that can give an answer | 04:25 |
| artnay | ok, good to know | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | she's a really nice lady really | 04:27 |
| artnay | asdax: many of us have contributed a way or another. the main issue is just that we haven't organized, combined our strenghts to pick the best artwork out there | 04:27 |
| asdax | is volvo someone who use to hang around in this channel? | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:27 |
| asdax | :P | 04:27 |
| artnay | he is the artwork team leader | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | he's one of the original artwork people | 04:27 |
| artnay | take a look at the member list | 04:27 |
| asdax | oki | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | but he got into some health problems lately | 04:28 |
| asdax | does volvo use to hang around in this channel? | 04:28 |
| artnay | yep, he was in a surgery | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | and i haven't seen andy for quite a while | 04:28 |
| asdax | oki | 04:28 |
| artnay | /last volvo = no result | 04:28 |
| artnay | excludind what we spoke :o | 04:28 |
| asdax | dont know what excludind means :P | 04:29 |
| asdax | sorry | 04:29 |
| artnay | excluding | 04:29 |
| asdax | aha | 04:29 |
| asdax | then i think i know | 04:30 |
| asdax | what harddrive icons do you use? | 04:32 |
| asdax | i maybe should show you the one i made | 04:32 |
| artnay | windows vista :( | 04:32 |
| asdax | do you use the original? | 04:32 |
| asdax | are you running on windows vista? (is that realesed?) :P | 04:32 |
| artnay | actually I don't even have a working computer now | 04:32 |
| artnay | friend's laptop | 04:32 |
| asdax | aha | 04:32 |
| artnay | all my three computers are broken at the moment | 04:33 |
| artnay | I'm waiting for new HW | 04:33 |
| artnay | that's why I missed the meeting, damn :/ | 04:33 |
| asdax | i thought vista wasnt realesed yet, but i am not that up to date with the windows world :P | 04:33 |
| artnay | it's not | 04:33 |
| asdax | is there hardwere errors in all 3 of your computers? | 04:33 |
| artnay | it will most probably be released before dapper+1 | 04:34 |
| asdax | oki :P | 04:34 |
| asdax | has it leaked out on the internet then or how did you friend got it? | 04:34 |
| artnay | yep, one crashes even in BIOS, one doesn't send VGA signal and one doesn't even boot | 04:34 |
| artnay | MSDN subscriber | 04:34 |
| asdax | oki | 04:34 |
| asdax | did you do anything special with the computers when they got strange? | 04:35 |
| artnay | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1600&c=3 | 04:35 |
| artnay | there's the hd icon I use | 04:35 |
| artnay | not actually, I didn't use one for a long time | 04:35 |
| asdax | oki | 04:36 |
| artnay | and one just crashed after 17 days of uptime | 04:36 |
| artnay | and since that it has kept crashing even in BIOS | 04:36 |
| asdax | does windows vista look nice or is it as ugly as xp? :p | 04:36 |
| artnay | I was pleasantly surprised by the changes (at least artwork changes :>) | 04:36 |
| artnay | aero black kicks luna's ass big time | 04:36 |
| asdax | nice screenshot, it looks alite bit mac | 04:36 |
| asdax | what windowsmanager do you use? | 04:37 |
| artnay | and this one has nice effects | 04:37 |
| artnay | KWin | 04:37 |
| asdax | oki | 04:37 |
| asdax | never heard of | 04:37 |
| artnay | it's KDE running there | 04:37 |
| asdax | aha :P | 04:37 |
| artnay | KWin is what Metacity to GNOME | 04:38 |
| asdax | oki | 04:38 |
| artnay | damn, now I'm starting to miss verbs as well :) | 04:38 |
| asdax | but you dont use everything in kde, just some parts of it that is kwin then? | 04:38 |
| artnay | KWin takes care of the windecos etc. | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | i gotta crash | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | good night | 04:39 |
| artnay | bye | 04:39 |
| artnay | and it was nice talking with you | 04:39 |
| asdax | bye bye | 04:40 |
| artnay | WM != DE | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | neat-o | 04:40 |
| asdax | DE is KDE with all menys and everything and WM is just for moving the windows and so on? | 04:41 |
| asdax | :P | 04:41 |
| asdax | or am i wrong? | 04:41 |
| artnay | DE includes lots of other stuff what WMs are mostly missing | 04:41 |
| asdax | like menus? | 04:41 |
| artnay | like file managers, music players, internet browser etc. | 04:41 |
| artnay | look at the wikipedia, it might explain the difference | 04:42 |
| artnay | but DEs include WMs | 04:42 |
| asdax | oki :) | 04:42 |
| artnay | but, umh, I have to get going | 04:42 |
| asdax | oki, C U | 04:42 |
| asdax | have a nice day! | 04:42 |
| artnay | I might come back later today, depends on what will happen | 04:42 |
| asdax | oki | 04:42 |
| artnay | you too, hope to see you here again | 04:42 |
| artnay | bue | 04:43 |
| derek[] | bbl | 05:17 |
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