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ajmitch_Mez: yes?12:16
Mezajmitch_, would you be willing to sponsor ifolder into debian once it's finished being packaged (assuming of course that it's of high enough grade packaging quality)12:16
ajmitch_maybe12:17
ajmitch_is this an individual packaging effort, separate from the mono packaging team?12:17
Mezyes12:17
Mezthough - I will of course be poking a lot of the mono team for advice :D12:18
ajmitch_oh joy12:18
Mezwell, I've had quite a bit of advice off them already on previous attempts12:19
Mezso it shouldnt be too bad12:19
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crimsungah, ENOELMO01:10
ajmitch_crimsun: he's hiding?01:10
ajmitch_or he's probably stressing over the move to soyuz01:10
ajmitch_and drinking his troubles away01:10
crimsunquite reasonable =)01:11
Lathiathah01:14
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KyralOkay...Its a good thing I found Ubuntu before I found SuSE02:22
raphinkKyral: sssshhh02:22
Kyralwhat?02:23
raphink:s02:23
raphinknm02:23
KyralIts not like I'm up and leaving Ubuntu02:23
raphinkyeah yeah ;)02:23
raphinkof course not :)02:23
KyralI'm just saying Yast is NICE ;P02:23
Amaranthbored2k did02:23
raphinkwhat did you use before getting to Ubuntu?02:24
Amaranthsuse doesn't have alacarte ;)02:24
KyralOhh...Slack 10, Gentoo02:24
Amaranthat least i don't think so02:24
Amaranthbut GNOME 2.16 will :D02:24
KyralI don't use the Menu Editor much :P02:24
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AmaranthKyral: it doesn't have easyubuntu either02:25
KyralAmaranth: I don't need EasyUbuntu ;P02:25
Amaranthor all of us on call to fix things :)02:25
Kyralokay that you have me :p02:25
KyralI'm just saying I wanna help the Yast4Debian project now lol02:25
raphinkKyral: very nice idea :)02:26
raphinkfrom what I heard about yast, i'd love to see it in Kubuntu :)02:27
raphinkalthough i've heard it's so complex a program that it's very hard to port02:27
KyralSaX wouldn't hurt either02:27
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KyralIt is a NICE GUI to configure X with02:29
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zakameheya MOTUs :)02:31
Kyralyo zakame02:31
zakameyo Kyral :)02:32
raphinkhi zakame02:36
zakameheya raphink master revu-er :)02:37
raphinklol02:37
zakamegood job on the motu doc move-around :)02:37
raphink:)02:37
raphinkthanks02:37
raphinktook me about 10h02:37
raphinkso far no one complained02:37
raphinkI take it it was accepted ;)02:37
zakameactually it was much-needed :)02:38
raphinkI think so too02:38
raphinkotherwise I wouldn't have done it ;)02:38
zakamehehe02:38
raphinknow we can see much more clearly what needs to be merged, nuked, and so on02:38
raphinkjust have to keep the doc tree up-to-date02:39
raphink:)02:39
raphinkI got back to REVU today though ;)02:39
raphinkI had enough of the wiki ;)02:39
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raphinkdid you have a look at the tools I developped today zakame ?02:40
raphinkI just posted a message on ubuntu-motu about them half an hour ago02:40
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raphinkoh ok :)02:40
zakameooh lemme check then :D02:40
raphinksure02:40
raphink:)02:40
zakamewow, REVU-tools are great :D02:44
raphinkglad you like them :)02:45
zakame(which also reminds me I should ping siretart about making me an account on tiber for remote REVU ;)02:45
raphinkthat's the main thing I did today :)02:45
raphinkyes that's very useful02:45
raphinkI'll ping siretart again tomorrow to get sure he checks my changes to the svn and adds the new revu tools to /usr/local/bin so they can be used by all02:46
raphinkso far I call them with ~/revu-report02:46
raphinkwhich is not useful for other tiber users02:46
raphinkhehe02:46
zakamehehe, or package it even ;)02:47
raphinkoh sure I'm thinking of it02:47
raphinkbut then it has to be made `distributable`02:47
raphinki.e. REVU-independent02:48
zakameooh right02:48
raphinkso far it depends a bit too much on tiber's settings and scripts02:48
raphinkand I think it can be made independent to run on any box02:48
raphinkeven be used by DDs for sponsoring imo ;)02:48
zakamethat would be nice indeed02:48
raphinkif some of them accept these tools ;)02:48
zakameyeah02:48
raphinkso that's work for the days to come :)02:49
zakamea lot of rocking on for you then :D02:49
raphinkit's not to find work in Ubuntu ;)02:50
zakamehehe02:51
raphink$ ~/revu-report pam-abl_0.2.3-0ubuntu1.dsc pam_abl-0.2.3.tar.gz02:51
raphinkhop :)02:51
raphinkI'd really like to be able to get the upstream tarball automatically02:52
raphinkbut I think Debian policy should be changed to be able to do that02:52
zakameyeah, I think it could also work for doing some auto-merging work02:52
raphinksince there would have to be a place in the package where the url of the upstream tarball would be clearly given02:52
Mithrandiruhm, you do realise you should review all changes in each upstream version?02:53
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Mithrandiranyway, sleep02:54
zakameMithrandir: hmm, that too02:54
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raphinkyep, sleep03:04
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raphinkdist-upgrading my box and I'm off to bed :)03:04
raphinkgn03:17
zakamebbl03:22
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jsgotangcoheya minghua04:44
minghuahi jsgotangco04:44
jsgotangcominghua, i got to talk to sabdfl 2 days ago over lunch and we talked about cjk and scim04:45
jsgotangcominghua, he's in tokyo at the moment i think but he'll be passing over to korea and china so i guess there will be focus on discussions with such support04:46
minghuajsgotangco: great to hear about it04:47
minghuajsgotangco: mako talked about CJK support during last CC meeting too04:48
jsgotangcooh cool04:48
minghuathere sure is interest, we probably need more people though04:49
jsgotangcoyeah04:58
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monziei want to contribute to Ubuntu05:36
monziei have debian packaging experience05:37
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hubmonzie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU05:38
hubmonzie: that is the starting point05:39
monziethanks, hub05:40
monziethe docs are a bit confusing hub05:49
monziewhere can i get the list of packages to work on or something like that?05:50
StevenKFrom the bug list?05:53
StevenKIt's a litle more complicated than working on Debian, you don't just look after a package or two.05:53
monzieokay05:54
Amarantheveryone can touch every package, no one owns a package05:55
Amaranthmakes it easier05:55
StevenKAnd harder to find someone to blame. ;-P05:55
Amaranthno, that's still easy05:55
Amaranthblame who touched it last05:55
hubStevenK: changelog is your friend05:55
Amaranthyeah05:57
Amaranthbtw, never touch firefox05:57
Amaranthpeople will try to make you the permanent maintainer :P05:57
StevenKHeh05:58
StevenKThat's what Diziet is for. :-P05:59
jsgotangcoheh05:59
jsgotangcoseamonkey05:59
StevenKAt my place of work we have a 'the person who touched it last gets to look after it' policy.05:59
StevenKjsgotangco: The other I've heard is 'iceweasel'06:00
jsgotangcoyeah i think that's the future all in one mozilla suite/components06:03
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fubarityCan someone explain how Ubuntu's package versioning nomenclature works? I have browsed everywhere, only to find very little conclusive. And, moreover, why is it that some packages are <package>-(numbers), while some are <package>-(numbers)-(numbers)ubuntu(numbers)?06:35
Gloubiboulga<package>-(numbers) means that the package has been synced with debian06:36
crimsunok, it's pretty straightforward (you can find this info in the Debian New Maintainer's Guide)06:36
crimsunpackages where the versioning is A.B.C are native Debian or Ubuntu packages06:36
crimsunthose where the versioning is A.B.C-X are Debian-maintained06:36
crimsunthose where the versioning is A.B.C-XubuntuY are Ubuntu-modified from their original Debian counterparts06:37
crimsunso A.B.C-X, lke Gloubiboulga said, are synced straight from Debian06:37
psusi-ubuntuN is for packages with ubuntu specific changes that replace the previous version from debian, but the next version from debian will be newer than the -ubuntuN06:37
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fubarityNow, suppose that I am going to Debianize (i.e., make a *.deb) a package for Ubuntu for a package for which no actual Debian package exists. Which nomenclature would I use? And what do the X and Y components surrounding XubuntuY mean?06:46
crimsunif it doesn't exist in Debian yet, then you'd package it as A.B.C-0ubuntu106:47
crimsunthat way when it enters Debian, Debian's versioning has higher precedence06:47
crimsun(A.B.C-1)06:47
fubaritySo, what do the 0 and 1 mean? Could these variables have any other values?06:48
crimsunthey signify packaging revisions (as opposed to "upstream" versions)06:48
crimsunand no, for the case you describe, X must be 0, and Y must be 106:49
crimsungenerally, however, yes, X and Y are not tightly coupled06:50
zakamethis nomenclature is to avoid possible clashes when someone from Debian decides to make a NEW package (which could either be based on your Ubuntu package, or created from scratch altogether; see njam for an example ;)06:51
fubarityI appreciate everyone's help here; it means a lot.07:01
zakameno prob :)07:01
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KyralNight MOTU08:08
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siretartgood morning soyuz lovers!09:16
siretart:)09:16
siretartthis is what I call quick response: debian #35128009:16
zakamegood morning siretart ! :D09:16
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siretarthi zakame09:16
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siretartzakame: I have a hilight in my backlog, you wanted some sort of 'remote' access to revu?09:17
siretarthuh?09:17
zakameyeah, but the gist of that is I want to be able to test build of REVU-ed packages, not necessarily shell access09:18
siretartcurrently you need shell access to call revu-build09:19
zakameah09:19
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zakameheya Hobbsee09:34
Hobbseehey zakame :)09:34
zakamewhat's up?09:38
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Hobbseejust got home from work, having trouble building asciiquarium09:39
zakameoooh09:43
zakamebrb, someone needs to call :/ (dialup)09:43
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TheMusoc09:54
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siretartraphink: I updated /srv/revu to rev 120 (currently HEAD)11:28
raphinksiretart: thanks :)11:29
raphinksiretart: did you make the new links in /usr/local/bin too?11:29
siretartraphink: done11:31
raphinkthanks :)11:32
raphinkmuch :)11:32
siretartno problem11:33
raphinkargh I made a mistake in revu-build though11:34
raphinksiretart: I'll correct it, it's just a small mistake, if you can aprove it fast11:34
raphinksiretart: in revu-build, I've put11:34
raphinkPBUILDEROPTS="--buildresult $(pwd) --logfile ${BASENAME}.buildlog --hookdir /srv/revu1/scripts/pbuilder-hooks/"11:34
raphinkit should be11:35
raphinkPBUILDEROPTS="--buildresult $(pwd) --logfile ${BASENAME}.buildlog --hookdir /srv/revu1/pbuilder-hooks/"11:35
raphinkotherwise it won't work11:35
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raphinksiretart: updated the svn with this single change, can you commit it?11:39
siretartraphink: done11:45
raphinkthanks :)11:45
raphinkI think that's all :)11:45
siretartraphink: could you please install a .forward file on tiber?11:46
raphinkhow do you mean siretart ?11:46
siretartI'd like to add you to the svn postcommit hook, so that you get svn mails as well11:46
raphinkoh ok11:46
raphinkso what do I need to do?11:46
siretartraphink: do a 'echo raphink@youremail > ~/.forward'11:46
raphinkok11:46
siretartyou can also configure procmail, if you wish ;)11:46
raphinkdone11:47
raphinkI mean the .forward ;)11:47
siretartok11:47
raphink:)11:48
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GloubiboulgaI have 2 packages on REVU advocated once, could someone have a look at them ?02:19
Gloubiboulgait's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1654 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=165002:19
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pabs3anyone seen Mez? if someone does, can you ping him about his debian ifolder ITP?03:19
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Tonio_hi03:21
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apacheloggeris it allowed to patch binary format files into a packge (eg pictures)?03:59
\shapachelogger: how are you doing this? you can do it via uuencode/uudecode (sharutils)04:01
apacheloggermade a diff ;-)04:01
apacheloggerso how to do it via uuencode?04:01
\shapachelogger: since when is diff doing binary diffs? you can't inject binaries into a source tarball..the only way to do this, is to uuencode the picture (e.g. an icon) move it to debian/dir and uudecode it and install it via debian/rules install target04:03
apacheloggerwell, the diff worked somehow ... but wasn't very smart ... I'll take a look at uuencode and uudecode, thx :)04:04
jpatrickapachelogger: you could try .xpm's04:05
apacheloggerhm04:06
apacheloggerI think kblogger 0.4 will just not have a image, the author might have a reason to not include it04:06
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KyralMorning MOTUish people04:25
apacheLAGgermorning04:25
jpatrickKyral: afternoon04:26
apacheLAGgerso there is still a really anoying problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/799404:28
apacheLAGgerany ideas?04:30
\shyes04:31
\sh1. if this lib is not used by anything else, lintian-override it :)04:31
\sh2. if this lib is used by anything else then kblogger, write shlibs file04:31
apacheLAGgerjust used by kblogger ...  so I shouldn't care about that error?04:32
\shapacheLAGger: lintian-override it :)04:33
apacheLAGgerok, thx :D04:33
\shapacheLAGger: you know how to do it?04:33
apacheLAGgernot really .... but learning buy doing and googling ;-)04:34
\shapacheLAGger: lynx file:/usr/share/doc/lintian/lintian.html/index.html :)04:37
apacheLAGgerhttp://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch2.html#s2.404:37
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apacheLAGger\sh: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1656 :)05:24
dholbachno need to lintian-override - it's a good reminder to not override it and see the message every time (and split it out once it's needed somewhere)05:26
apacheLAGgerdholbach: but why would it be needed?05:27
dholbachthe lintian-override is surely not needed.05:28
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dholbachOr do you mean the library?05:28
\shdholbach: it will never be needed05:28
\shdholbach: the library05:28
apacheLAGgerthat was my point05:28
dholbach"never"05:28
\shdholbach: it's a typical "local lib of kde apps"05:29
dholbachYou often see that libraries which are splitted out of "applications" are used at some stage.05:29
dholbachThink of beagle.05:29
dholbachI don't say "split it out now!"05:29
\shI wonder what inside this lib anyways...05:30
\shlemme have a look05:31
dholbachAsk fabbione on his take on this.05:32
Simirahey! I wanna become a MOTU!05:32
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\shapacheLAGger: it's only the panel applet of kblogger?05:33
Simiraat least as a start to becoming a dev05:33
ograSimira, yay05:33
apacheLAGger\sh: kblogger is the applet05:33
apacheLAGgerhttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2955205:34
apacheLAGgerthe whole app is just an applet05:34
\shjesus05:34
apacheLAGgerlol05:34
Simiraogra: hey, wanna help me make a small application? Tollef rather wants to have a bath...05:35
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ograSimira, hmm, still particulary busy here ....05:35
Simiraogra: right. I'll have to wait until tomorrow evening then. Are you still working on the rollout?05:36
ograi only work on ltsp ... the LP guys do the rollout ...05:39
ogra#05:39
\shogra: is elmo with the LP guys?05:40
ograyup05:40
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\shgoing out for a while...laters05:44
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apacheloggerraphink: ping07:34
raphinkhi apachelogger07:35
apacheloggerhey ...I'm the kblogger guy... :)07:35
raphinkok07:35
raphink:)07:35
apacheloggerraphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1657 what does the kblogger 0.3 tarball do in the list?07:35
apacheloggeractually the orig.tar.gz should be exactly the 0.4 from kde-apps, cause I repacked it today07:36
raphinkooops07:36
raphinkright should be 0.407:36
apachelogger;-)07:36
raphinkok good sorry07:36
apacheloggerno problem07:36
raphinkgive me the url of the 0.4 package please07:37
raphinkand I'll run it again07:37
apacheloggerhttp://whiletaker.homeip.net/~christian/kblogger-0.4.tar.bz207:37
raphinkthanks07:38
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raphinkapachelogger: waita  min ok?07:40
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apacheLAGgerraphink: looks better, doesn't it?07:48
raphinkwait a min07:48
apacheLAGgeryup07:49
raphinkI'm doing lots of thigns07:49
raphinkthere's still the debuild test I'm not very happy with apachelogger, have a looka t it please07:49
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raphinkapachelogger: ok?08:02
apacheloggerraphink: new verison online08:02
raphinkok08:02
apacheloggeradd a unpatch rule08:03
raphinkI'l lhave a look08:03
apacheloggers/add/added ;-)08:03
raphinkrunning the test, let's wait till it builds :)08:04
raphinkI'll brb08:04
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raphinklooks good now apachelogger, good job... :)08:09
raphinkI'll look at it after my dinner08:09
apacheloggerthx :)08:09
raphinkapachelogger: do you know of the Reviewing guideon the wiki?08:10
apacheloggernope08:10
raphinkhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing08:10
raphinkmain points to check in a package08:10
raphinkso you can check it yourself :)08:11
apacheloggerok :)08:11
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phanatichi people09:57
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sebest__hello, is the login pass on revu the same as launchpad?11:06
minghuasebest: no11:09
hubsebest__: no11:09
sebest__how to get a login?11:10
hubhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show11:12
sebest__thanx11:14
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LaserJockhi Hobbsee11:45
Hobbseehey LaserJock11:45
LaserJockhow's it going?11:46
Hobbseejust finished building koffice for Riddell11:48
LaserJocksweet11:49
Hobbseefor dapper11:51
raphinkcool :)11:53
Hobbseeyeah11:55
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