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ajmitch_ | Mez: yes? | 12:16 |
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Mez | ajmitch_, would you be willing to sponsor ifolder into debian once it's finished being packaged (assuming of course that it's of high enough grade packaging quality) | 12:16 |
ajmitch_ | maybe | 12:17 |
ajmitch_ | is this an individual packaging effort, separate from the mono packaging team? | 12:17 |
Mez | yes | 12:17 |
Mez | though - I will of course be poking a lot of the mono team for advice :D | 12:18 |
ajmitch_ | oh joy | 12:18 |
Mez | well, I've had quite a bit of advice off them already on previous attempts | 12:19 |
Mez | so it shouldnt be too bad | 12:19 |
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crimsun | gah, ENOELMO | 01:10 |
ajmitch_ | crimsun: he's hiding? | 01:10 |
ajmitch_ | or he's probably stressing over the move to soyuz | 01:10 |
ajmitch_ | and drinking his troubles away | 01:10 |
crimsun | quite reasonable =) | 01:11 |
Lathiat | hah | 01:14 |
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Kyral | Okay...Its a good thing I found Ubuntu before I found SuSE | 02:22 |
raphink | Kyral: sssshhh | 02:22 |
Kyral | what? | 02:23 |
raphink | :s | 02:23 |
raphink | nm | 02:23 |
Kyral | Its not like I'm up and leaving Ubuntu | 02:23 |
raphink | yeah yeah ;) | 02:23 |
raphink | of course not :) | 02:23 |
Kyral | I'm just saying Yast is NICE ;P | 02:23 |
Amaranth | bored2k did | 02:23 |
raphink | what did you use before getting to Ubuntu? | 02:24 |
Amaranth | suse doesn't have alacarte ;) | 02:24 |
Kyral | Ohh...Slack 10, Gentoo | 02:24 |
Amaranth | at least i don't think so | 02:24 |
Amaranth | but GNOME 2.16 will :D | 02:24 |
Kyral | I don't use the Menu Editor much :P | 02:24 |
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Amaranth | Kyral: it doesn't have easyubuntu either | 02:25 |
Kyral | Amaranth: I don't need EasyUbuntu ;P | 02:25 |
Amaranth | or all of us on call to fix things :) | 02:25 |
Kyral | okay that you have me :p | 02:25 |
Kyral | I'm just saying I wanna help the Yast4Debian project now lol | 02:25 |
raphink | Kyral: very nice idea :) | 02:26 |
raphink | from what I heard about yast, i'd love to see it in Kubuntu :) | 02:27 |
raphink | although i've heard it's so complex a program that it's very hard to port | 02:27 |
Kyral | SaX wouldn't hurt either | 02:27 |
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Kyral | It is a NICE GUI to configure X with | 02:29 |
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zakame | heya MOTUs :) | 02:31 |
Kyral | yo zakame | 02:31 |
zakame | yo Kyral :) | 02:32 |
raphink | hi zakame | 02:36 |
zakame | heya raphink master revu-er :) | 02:37 |
raphink | lol | 02:37 |
zakame | good job on the motu doc move-around :) | 02:37 |
raphink | :) | 02:37 |
raphink | thanks | 02:37 |
raphink | took me about 10h | 02:37 |
raphink | so far no one complained | 02:37 |
raphink | I take it it was accepted ;) | 02:37 |
zakame | actually it was much-needed :) | 02:38 |
raphink | I think so too | 02:38 |
raphink | otherwise I wouldn't have done it ;) | 02:38 |
zakame | hehe | 02:38 |
raphink | now we can see much more clearly what needs to be merged, nuked, and so on | 02:38 |
raphink | just have to keep the doc tree up-to-date | 02:39 |
raphink | :) | 02:39 |
raphink | I got back to REVU today though ;) | 02:39 |
raphink | I had enough of the wiki ;) | 02:39 |
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raphink | did you have a look at the tools I developped today zakame ? | 02:40 |
raphink | I just posted a message on ubuntu-motu about them half an hour ago | 02:40 |
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raphink | oh ok :) | 02:40 |
zakame | ooh lemme check then :D | 02:40 |
raphink | sure | 02:40 |
raphink | :) | 02:40 |
zakame | wow, REVU-tools are great :D | 02:44 |
raphink | glad you like them :) | 02:45 |
zakame | (which also reminds me I should ping siretart about making me an account on tiber for remote REVU ;) | 02:45 |
raphink | that's the main thing I did today :) | 02:45 |
raphink | yes that's very useful | 02:45 |
raphink | I'll ping siretart again tomorrow to get sure he checks my changes to the svn and adds the new revu tools to /usr/local/bin so they can be used by all | 02:46 |
raphink | so far I call them with ~/revu-report | 02:46 |
raphink | which is not useful for other tiber users | 02:46 |
raphink | hehe | 02:46 |
zakame | hehe, or package it even ;) | 02:47 |
raphink | oh sure I'm thinking of it | 02:47 |
raphink | but then it has to be made `distributable` | 02:47 |
raphink | i.e. REVU-independent | 02:48 |
zakame | ooh right | 02:48 |
raphink | so far it depends a bit too much on tiber's settings and scripts | 02:48 |
raphink | and I think it can be made independent to run on any box | 02:48 |
raphink | even be used by DDs for sponsoring imo ;) | 02:48 |
zakame | that would be nice indeed | 02:48 |
raphink | if some of them accept these tools ;) | 02:48 |
zakame | yeah | 02:48 |
raphink | so that's work for the days to come :) | 02:49 |
zakame | a lot of rocking on for you then :D | 02:49 |
raphink | it's not to find work in Ubuntu ;) | 02:50 |
zakame | hehe | 02:51 |
raphink | $ ~/revu-report pam-abl_0.2.3-0ubuntu1.dsc pam_abl-0.2.3.tar.gz | 02:51 |
raphink | hop :) | 02:51 |
raphink | I'd really like to be able to get the upstream tarball automatically | 02:52 |
raphink | but I think Debian policy should be changed to be able to do that | 02:52 |
zakame | yeah, I think it could also work for doing some auto-merging work | 02:52 |
raphink | since there would have to be a place in the package where the url of the upstream tarball would be clearly given | 02:52 |
Mithrandir | uhm, you do realise you should review all changes in each upstream version? | 02:53 |
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Mithrandir | anyway, sleep | 02:54 |
zakame | Mithrandir: hmm, that too | 02:54 |
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raphink | yep, sleep | 03:04 |
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raphink | dist-upgrading my box and I'm off to bed :) | 03:04 |
raphink | gn | 03:17 |
zakame | bbl | 03:22 |
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jsgotangco | heya minghua | 04:44 |
minghua | hi jsgotangco | 04:44 |
jsgotangco | minghua, i got to talk to sabdfl 2 days ago over lunch and we talked about cjk and scim | 04:45 |
jsgotangco | minghua, he's in tokyo at the moment i think but he'll be passing over to korea and china so i guess there will be focus on discussions with such support | 04:46 |
minghua | jsgotangco: great to hear about it | 04:47 |
minghua | jsgotangco: mako talked about CJK support during last CC meeting too | 04:48 |
jsgotangco | oh cool | 04:48 |
minghua | there sure is interest, we probably need more people though | 04:49 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 04:58 |
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monzie | i want to contribute to Ubuntu | 05:36 |
monzie | i have debian packaging experience | 05:37 |
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hub | monzie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 05:38 |
hub | monzie: that is the starting point | 05:39 |
monzie | thanks, hub | 05:40 |
monzie | the docs are a bit confusing hub | 05:49 |
monzie | where can i get the list of packages to work on or something like that? | 05:50 |
StevenK | From the bug list? | 05:53 |
StevenK | It's a litle more complicated than working on Debian, you don't just look after a package or two. | 05:53 |
monzie | okay | 05:54 |
Amaranth | everyone can touch every package, no one owns a package | 05:55 |
Amaranth | makes it easier | 05:55 |
StevenK | And harder to find someone to blame. ;-P | 05:55 |
Amaranth | no, that's still easy | 05:55 |
Amaranth | blame who touched it last | 05:55 |
hub | StevenK: changelog is your friend | 05:55 |
Amaranth | yeah | 05:57 |
Amaranth | btw, never touch firefox | 05:57 |
Amaranth | people will try to make you the permanent maintainer :P | 05:57 |
StevenK | Heh | 05:58 |
StevenK | That's what Diziet is for. :-P | 05:59 |
jsgotangco | heh | 05:59 |
jsgotangco | seamonkey | 05:59 |
StevenK | At my place of work we have a 'the person who touched it last gets to look after it' policy. | 05:59 |
StevenK | jsgotangco: The other I've heard is 'iceweasel' | 06:00 |
jsgotangco | yeah i think that's the future all in one mozilla suite/components | 06:03 |
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fubarity | Can someone explain how Ubuntu's package versioning nomenclature works? I have browsed everywhere, only to find very little conclusive. And, moreover, why is it that some packages are <package>-(numbers), while some are <package>-(numbers)-(numbers)ubuntu(numbers)? | 06:35 |
Gloubiboulga | <package>-(numbers) means that the package has been synced with debian | 06:36 |
crimsun | ok, it's pretty straightforward (you can find this info in the Debian New Maintainer's Guide) | 06:36 |
crimsun | packages where the versioning is A.B.C are native Debian or Ubuntu packages | 06:36 |
crimsun | those where the versioning is A.B.C-X are Debian-maintained | 06:36 |
crimsun | those where the versioning is A.B.C-XubuntuY are Ubuntu-modified from their original Debian counterparts | 06:37 |
crimsun | so A.B.C-X, lke Gloubiboulga said, are synced straight from Debian | 06:37 |
psusi | -ubuntuN is for packages with ubuntu specific changes that replace the previous version from debian, but the next version from debian will be newer than the -ubuntuN | 06:37 |
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fubarity | Now, suppose that I am going to Debianize (i.e., make a *.deb) a package for Ubuntu for a package for which no actual Debian package exists. Which nomenclature would I use? And what do the X and Y components surrounding XubuntuY mean? | 06:46 |
crimsun | if it doesn't exist in Debian yet, then you'd package it as A.B.C-0ubuntu1 | 06:47 |
crimsun | that way when it enters Debian, Debian's versioning has higher precedence | 06:47 |
crimsun | (A.B.C-1) | 06:47 |
fubarity | So, what do the 0 and 1 mean? Could these variables have any other values? | 06:48 |
crimsun | they signify packaging revisions (as opposed to "upstream" versions) | 06:48 |
crimsun | and no, for the case you describe, X must be 0, and Y must be 1 | 06:49 |
crimsun | generally, however, yes, X and Y are not tightly coupled | 06:50 |
zakame | this nomenclature is to avoid possible clashes when someone from Debian decides to make a NEW package (which could either be based on your Ubuntu package, or created from scratch altogether; see njam for an example ;) | 06:51 |
fubarity | I appreciate everyone's help here; it means a lot. | 07:01 |
zakame | no prob :) | 07:01 |
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Kyral | Night MOTU | 08:08 |
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siretart | good morning soyuz lovers! | 09:16 |
siretart | :) | 09:16 |
siretart | this is what I call quick response: debian #351280 | 09:16 |
zakame | good morning siretart ! :D | 09:16 |
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siretart | hi zakame | 09:16 |
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siretart | zakame: I have a hilight in my backlog, you wanted some sort of 'remote' access to revu? | 09:17 |
siretart | huh? | 09:17 |
zakame | yeah, but the gist of that is I want to be able to test build of REVU-ed packages, not necessarily shell access | 09:18 |
siretart | currently you need shell access to call revu-build | 09:19 |
zakame | ah | 09:19 |
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zakame | heya Hobbsee | 09:34 |
Hobbsee | hey zakame :) | 09:34 |
zakame | what's up? | 09:38 |
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Hobbsee | just got home from work, having trouble building asciiquarium | 09:39 |
zakame | oooh | 09:43 |
zakame | brb, someone needs to call :/ (dialup) | 09:43 |
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TheMuso | c | 09:54 |
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siretart | raphink: I updated /srv/revu to rev 120 (currently HEAD) | 11:28 |
raphink | siretart: thanks :) | 11:29 |
raphink | siretart: did you make the new links in /usr/local/bin too? | 11:29 |
siretart | raphink: done | 11:31 |
raphink | thanks :) | 11:32 |
raphink | much :) | 11:32 |
siretart | no problem | 11:33 |
raphink | argh I made a mistake in revu-build though | 11:34 |
raphink | siretart: I'll correct it, it's just a small mistake, if you can aprove it fast | 11:34 |
raphink | siretart: in revu-build, I've put | 11:34 |
raphink | PBUILDEROPTS="--buildresult $(pwd) --logfile ${BASENAME}.buildlog --hookdir /srv/revu1/scripts/pbuilder-hooks/" | 11:34 |
raphink | it should be | 11:35 |
raphink | PBUILDEROPTS="--buildresult $(pwd) --logfile ${BASENAME}.buildlog --hookdir /srv/revu1/pbuilder-hooks/" | 11:35 |
raphink | otherwise it won't work | 11:35 |
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raphink | siretart: updated the svn with this single change, can you commit it? | 11:39 |
siretart | raphink: done | 11:45 |
raphink | thanks :) | 11:45 |
raphink | I think that's all :) | 11:45 |
siretart | raphink: could you please install a .forward file on tiber? | 11:46 |
raphink | how do you mean siretart ? | 11:46 |
siretart | I'd like to add you to the svn postcommit hook, so that you get svn mails as well | 11:46 |
raphink | oh ok | 11:46 |
raphink | so what do I need to do? | 11:46 |
siretart | raphink: do a 'echo raphink@youremail > ~/.forward' | 11:46 |
raphink | ok | 11:46 |
siretart | you can also configure procmail, if you wish ;) | 11:46 |
raphink | done | 11:47 |
raphink | I mean the .forward ;) | 11:47 |
siretart | ok | 11:47 |
raphink | :) | 11:48 |
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Gloubiboulga | I have 2 packages on REVU advocated once, could someone have a look at them ? | 02:19 |
Gloubiboulga | it's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1654 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1650 | 02:19 |
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pabs3 | anyone seen Mez? if someone does, can you ping him about his debian ifolder ITP? | 03:19 |
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Tonio_ | hi | 03:21 |
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apachelogger | is it allowed to patch binary format files into a packge (eg pictures)? | 03:59 |
\sh | apachelogger: how are you doing this? you can do it via uuencode/uudecode (sharutils) | 04:01 |
apachelogger | made a diff ;-) | 04:01 |
apachelogger | so how to do it via uuencode? | 04:01 |
\sh | apachelogger: since when is diff doing binary diffs? you can't inject binaries into a source tarball..the only way to do this, is to uuencode the picture (e.g. an icon) move it to debian/dir and uudecode it and install it via debian/rules install target | 04:03 |
apachelogger | well, the diff worked somehow ... but wasn't very smart ... I'll take a look at uuencode and uudecode, thx :) | 04:04 |
jpatrick | apachelogger: you could try .xpm's | 04:05 |
apachelogger | hm | 04:06 |
apachelogger | I think kblogger 0.4 will just not have a image, the author might have a reason to not include it | 04:06 |
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Kyral | Morning MOTUish people | 04:25 |
apacheLAGger | morning | 04:25 |
jpatrick | Kyral: afternoon | 04:26 |
apacheLAGger | so there is still a really anoying problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7994 | 04:28 |
apacheLAGger | any ideas? | 04:30 |
\sh | yes | 04:31 |
\sh | 1. if this lib is not used by anything else, lintian-override it :) | 04:31 |
\sh | 2. if this lib is used by anything else then kblogger, write shlibs file | 04:31 |
apacheLAGger | just used by kblogger ... so I shouldn't care about that error? | 04:32 |
\sh | apacheLAGger: lintian-override it :) | 04:33 |
apacheLAGger | ok, thx :D | 04:33 |
\sh | apacheLAGger: you know how to do it? | 04:33 |
apacheLAGger | not really .... but learning buy doing and googling ;-) | 04:34 |
\sh | apacheLAGger: lynx file:/usr/share/doc/lintian/lintian.html/index.html :) | 04:37 |
apacheLAGger | http://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch2.html#s2.4 | 04:37 |
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apacheLAGger | \sh: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1656 :) | 05:24 |
dholbach | no need to lintian-override - it's a good reminder to not override it and see the message every time (and split it out once it's needed somewhere) | 05:26 |
apacheLAGger | dholbach: but why would it be needed? | 05:27 |
dholbach | the lintian-override is surely not needed. | 05:28 |
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dholbach | Or do you mean the library? | 05:28 |
\sh | dholbach: it will never be needed | 05:28 |
\sh | dholbach: the library | 05:28 |
apacheLAGger | that was my point | 05:28 |
dholbach | "never" | 05:28 |
\sh | dholbach: it's a typical "local lib of kde apps" | 05:29 |
dholbach | You often see that libraries which are splitted out of "applications" are used at some stage. | 05:29 |
dholbach | Think of beagle. | 05:29 |
dholbach | I don't say "split it out now!" | 05:29 |
\sh | I wonder what inside this lib anyways... | 05:30 |
\sh | lemme have a look | 05:31 |
dholbach | Ask fabbione on his take on this. | 05:32 |
Simira | hey! I wanna become a MOTU! | 05:32 |
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\sh | apacheLAGger: it's only the panel applet of kblogger? | 05:33 |
Simira | at least as a start to becoming a dev | 05:33 |
ogra | Simira, yay | 05:33 |
apacheLAGger | \sh: kblogger is the applet | 05:33 |
apacheLAGger | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29552 | 05:34 |
apacheLAGger | the whole app is just an applet | 05:34 |
\sh | jesus | 05:34 |
apacheLAGger | lol | 05:34 |
Simira | ogra: hey, wanna help me make a small application? Tollef rather wants to have a bath... | 05:35 |
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ogra | Simira, hmm, still particulary busy here .... | 05:35 |
Simira | ogra: right. I'll have to wait until tomorrow evening then. Are you still working on the rollout? | 05:36 |
ogra | i only work on ltsp ... the LP guys do the rollout ... | 05:39 |
ogra | # | 05:39 |
\sh | ogra: is elmo with the LP guys? | 05:40 |
ogra | yup | 05:40 |
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\sh | going out for a while...laters | 05:44 |
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apachelogger | raphink: ping | 07:34 |
raphink | hi apachelogger | 07:35 |
apachelogger | hey ...I'm the kblogger guy... :) | 07:35 |
raphink | ok | 07:35 |
raphink | :) | 07:35 |
apachelogger | raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1657 what does the kblogger 0.3 tarball do in the list? | 07:35 |
apachelogger | actually the orig.tar.gz should be exactly the 0.4 from kde-apps, cause I repacked it today | 07:36 |
raphink | ooops | 07:36 |
raphink | right should be 0.4 | 07:36 |
apachelogger | ;-) | 07:36 |
raphink | ok good sorry | 07:36 |
apachelogger | no problem | 07:36 |
raphink | give me the url of the 0.4 package please | 07:37 |
raphink | and I'll run it again | 07:37 |
apachelogger | http://whiletaker.homeip.net/~christian/kblogger-0.4.tar.bz2 | 07:37 |
raphink | thanks | 07:38 |
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raphink | apachelogger: waita min ok? | 07:40 |
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apacheLAGger | raphink: looks better, doesn't it? | 07:48 |
raphink | wait a min | 07:48 |
apacheLAGger | yup | 07:49 |
raphink | I'm doing lots of thigns | 07:49 |
raphink | there's still the debuild test I'm not very happy with apachelogger, have a looka t it please | 07:49 |
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raphink | apachelogger: ok? | 08:02 |
apachelogger | raphink: new verison online | 08:02 |
raphink | ok | 08:02 |
apachelogger | add a unpatch rule | 08:03 |
raphink | I'l lhave a look | 08:03 |
apachelogger | s/add/added ;-) | 08:03 |
raphink | running the test, let's wait till it builds :) | 08:04 |
raphink | I'll brb | 08:04 |
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raphink | looks good now apachelogger, good job... :) | 08:09 |
raphink | I'll look at it after my dinner | 08:09 |
apachelogger | thx :) | 08:09 |
raphink | apachelogger: do you know of the Reviewing guideon the wiki? | 08:10 |
apachelogger | nope | 08:10 |
raphink | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing | 08:10 |
raphink | main points to check in a package | 08:10 |
raphink | so you can check it yourself :) | 08:11 |
apachelogger | ok :) | 08:11 |
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phanatic | hi people | 09:57 |
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sebest__ | hello, is the login pass on revu the same as launchpad? | 11:06 |
minghua | sebest: no | 11:09 |
hub | sebest__: no | 11:09 |
sebest__ | how to get a login? | 11:10 |
hub | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show | 11:12 |
sebest__ | thanx | 11:14 |
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LaserJock | hi Hobbsee | 11:45 |
Hobbsee | hey LaserJock | 11:45 |
LaserJock | how's it going? | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | just finished building koffice for Riddell | 11:48 |
LaserJock | sweet | 11:49 |
Hobbsee | for dapper | 11:51 |
raphink | cool :) | 11:53 |
Hobbsee | yeah | 11:55 |
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