[12:01] <googlah> i need it to set up the network.
[12:02] <googlah> menu --> system settings --> network settings --> type in password --> but it doesnt work
[12:03] <stian> uhm, what doesn't work?
[12:03] <stian> googlah, does nothing happen after typing in the password?
[12:03] <googlah> nope
[12:03] <stian> are you typing in the correct password?
[12:03] <stian> and, is caps lock on?
[12:04] <Nomad411> thanks murchadh
[12:04] <googlah> when i press it, it just returns to the normal page again
[12:04] <googlah> it doesnt ask me
[12:04] <kernel_i386> Nomad411: are you the 'Nomad?
[12:04] <googlah> or sometimes it does
[12:04] <Nomad411> yup... shhhhhhhhh  I'm travelling incognito
[12:05] <kernel_i386> hehehe
[12:05] <kernel_i386> where do you live?
[12:05] <kernel_i386> which country
[12:05] <googlah> stian, if i go to console and type "su" i should be able to access it, right?
[12:05] <Nomad411> Canada, East coast, buy the Atlantic
[12:05] <Nomad411> by
[12:05] <kernel_i386> cool
[12:05] <googlah> with my user-password?
[12:05] <kernel_i386> canada is the "good" u.s.a. :P
[12:05] <stian> googlah, no, su is disabled, use sudo
[12:05] <Nomad411> hehehe
[12:05] <Nomad411> we try
[12:06] <kernel_i386> hehe
[12:06] <kernel_i386> that's a good try though :P
[12:06] <stian> googlah, yes your userpassword, there shouldn't be any other password
[12:06] <Nomad411> Though the way things are going these days, I wish we coudl break off and move closer to Europe
[12:06] <kernel_i386> why?
[12:06] <googlah> the thing is, stian, it says eth0 is disabled. and i want to active it, and i need to type the password. but it doesnt work.
[12:06] <kernel_i386> what's going wrong
[12:06] <googlah> it's kinda strange.
[12:07] <stian> Nomad411, are you aware that we are in europe on the way to a big "issue" with muslim people over here? not pretty at all
[12:07] <kernel_i386> rofl stian :P
[12:07] <stian> danish/norwegian embassy in syria got burned to the ground tonight
[12:07] <Nomad411> I know
[12:07] <kernel_i386> america doesn't? :P
[12:07] <stian> kernel_i386, yeah, but you guys to that kinda shit all the time, norwegians, we are the nice people ;)=
[12:08] <stian> googlah, then I don't know what is wrong, are you doing "sudo ifconfig up eth0"?
[12:08] <kernel_i386> indeed.. but we in germany try to get along with those people.. since we have like almost 20% (feeled) muslims in here
[12:08] <stian> googlah, sorry that should be "sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[12:08] <googlah> ok, gonna try
[12:09] <murchadh> googlah: try sudo ifconfig eth0 up with your user password.
[12:09] <murchadh> Oops too late!
[12:09] <stian> hehe
[12:09] <kernel_i386> I am watching a tv report about latin america.. they have a life ... sometimes I wish I just would get all my money together and move there...
[12:09] <Hobbsee> stian: you mean sudo ifup eth0?
[12:09] <kernel_i386> I'd be rich over there and could have an awesome life :P
[12:09] <googlah> it seems to be up now
[12:10] <googlah> i think
[12:10] <googlah> wait
[12:10] <Nomad411> kernel: Tierra del fuego has always seemed attractive to me..
[12:10] <stian> Hobbsee, well, that works as well
[12:10] <stian> googlah, do you use dhcp? or static ips?
[12:10] <Nomad411> many people make it to there and just live off the beach
[12:10] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:10] <Nomad411> Saw a very kewl doc just last year about that
[12:10] <kernel_i386> tierra del fuego - where is that?
[12:10] <kernel_i386> is it "fireland"?
[12:11] <kernel_i386> or "feuerland" as we in germany say
[12:11] <Nomad411> the most southern part of South America. :)
[12:11] <googlah> it's up, but i need to configure it manually cuz i cant access it through the graphical interface :(
[12:11] <kernel_i386> yes.. so it's feuerland
[12:11] <murchadh> Nomad411: Better weather in South America for a start, European weather ain't all that!!!
[12:11] <googlah> and i dunno how. i know it's in /etc/network/interfaces, but i dunno the parameters..
[12:11] <Nomad411> agreed
[12:11] <stian> googlah, ok, as I said, are you using dhcp on your network or are you using static ip's?
[12:11] <murchadh> googlah: try sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1
[12:11] <googlah> dhcp.
[12:12] <stian> googlah, okey, then do "sudo dhclient eth0"
[12:12] <kernel_i386> I wish I could live somewhere there :P I want good weather
[12:12] <kernel_i386> beach
[12:12] <stian> then it should get an ip, then try to ping something
[12:12] <stian> like google.com
[12:12] <kernel_i386> and a dreamy seashore
[12:12] <stian> a dreamy seawhore?
[12:12] <stian> :P
[12:12] <kernel_i386> hmm.. no
[12:12] <googlah> it kinda worked :D
[12:12] <stian> sorry
[12:12] <Nomad411> hummmmmmm Seawhore..  salty
[12:13] <kernel_i386> hehehe indeed..
[12:13] <stian> lol
[12:13] <googlah> but will this get actived everytime i boot from now on?
[12:13] <stian> googlah, great :D
[12:13] <kernel_i386> na.. I am more the monogam type :P
[12:13] <stian> googlah, hmm, I really have no clue
[12:13] <kernel_i386> I want one (ok..maybe two..) wives
[12:13] <googlah> :/
[12:13] <murchadh> stian: You the man, that dhclient eluded me for ages when I moved from WinXP!
[12:13] <stian> hehe
[12:13] <Nomad411> Like Homer says... "Why must everythign I love catch fire!!??"
[12:13] <googlah> allright, gonna make a try, i'll come back stian.
[12:13] <googlah> but thanks for the help so far!
[12:13] <kernel_i386> lol
[12:14] <stian> googlah, no worries
[12:14] <googlah> appriciated alot.
[12:14] <kernel_i386> Nomad411: is it snowing in canada atm?
[12:14] <googlah> :)
[12:14] <stian> :)
[12:14] <Nomad411> mot here, it's almost summer.  Global warming is screwing it up big time :(
[12:14] <kernel_i386> hehehee Nomad411
[12:14] <Nomad411> There shoudl be feet of snow, there's almost nithing
[12:15] <kernel_i386> here it is snowing.. but way too late.. I wish we had a white christmas
[12:15] <Nomad411> Buy teh DVD
[12:15] <kernel_i386> well.. it's not really snowing.. just cold and 1 cm snow
[12:15] <Nomad411> Bing Crosby I think ;)
[12:15] <optotron> is there an easy way to reconfigure the x server?
[12:15] <twan> I'm looking to install svgalib
[12:15] <Nomad411> !xorg
[12:15] <ubotu> I heard xorg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:15] <kernel_i386> well.. global warming sucks :)
[12:16] <googlah> oh, it wasn't necessary to disconnect on this computer :)
[12:16] <stian> hehehe :)
[12:16] <googlah> i can stay online and see if it works, hehe
[12:16] <stian> :P
[12:16] <kernel_i386> I guess we'll never have a warm summer - or the oposite summers like in the desert
[12:16] <googlah> my bad :)  where you from stian by the way?
[12:16] <murchadh> Any good channel to help me with a troublesome ntfs drive. Won't mount under Linux, even after re-fdisking it. I think the data is still there as I can see it with some tools off the Ultimate Boot CD, but I have no spare drive to try a spool copy, using these tools.
[12:16] <googlah> if i may ask
[12:16] <Nomad411> you're where kernel? Germany?
[12:17] <stian> googlah, I'm from norway, how bout you?
[12:17] <googlah> hej hej frn sverige
[12:17] <googlah> heh.
[12:17] <stian> hejhej
[12:17] <optotron> thx
[12:17] <stian> hppast du inte e muslim, och kommer och brinner mitt hus
[12:17] <kernel_i386> yes Nomad411 germany
[12:17] <googlah> :D
[12:17] <googlah> are you scared by them?
[12:18] <Nomad411> many germans in here, I thought Suse was your national Linux! ;)
[12:18] <kernel_i386> hehehe
[12:18] <kernel_i386> indeed.. :P
[12:18] <kernel_i386> it was the first and only popular linux
[12:18] <kernel_i386> ..still is
[12:18] <Nomad411> Suse?
[12:18] <kernel_i386> yes
[12:18] <googlah> stian, the configuration was not loaded at reboot :(
[12:18] <stian> hmm
[12:19] <stian> *investigating*
[12:19] <kernel_i386> but I know a friend who is into linux and he told me that kubuntu was the better way to do it :P
[12:19] <Nomad411> it is ;)
[12:19] <Nomad411> for a desktop, can't be beat
[12:19] <kernel_i386> he is using gentoo :P that'd be too difficult for me..
[12:19] <kernel_i386> kubuntu still is hehehe
[12:19] <googlah> stian, ok, i'm now connected again. just need to figure it out how to save the config.
[12:19] <Nomad411> gentoo i ssupposed to b eexcellent too
[12:20] <kernel_i386> yes.. it is..
[12:20] <Nomad411> but Kubuntu had more Ks in the name  hehe
[12:20] <googlah> does anybody know?
[12:20] <kernel_i386> hehehe
[12:20] <kernel_i386> what about gnome? is "ubuntu" running with gnome?
[12:20] <googlah> i just made a dhcp renewal manually and need this configuration to load at reboot.
[12:20] <kernel_i386> isn't it good?
[12:20] <kernel_i386> I hear a lot of voices saying "gnome is better than kde"
[12:20] <Nomad411> ubuntu is just as great..
[12:20] <kernel_i386> what's about that
[12:21] <Nomad411> voices?  Maybe look at your nutrition, you may be allergic to wheat!  ;)
[12:21] <kernel_i386> hehehe
[12:21] <kernel_i386> well.. a lot people say gnome / fluxbox is better
[12:21] <kernel_i386> dunno if gnome or fluxbox.. is something different or equal .. or dependent :D
[12:21] <Nomad411> I had a girlfriend with a fluxbox, I miss her  hehe
[12:22] <kernel_i386> hehehehe
[12:22] <kernel_i386> what is it..?
[12:22] <stian> googlah, hmm, i'm not really a seasoned kde user, and when running the network config the bottom part of the window is hidden offscreen and I can login as admin, so I am having dificulties figuring it out
[12:22] <kernel_i386> fluxbox - a style for gnome?
[12:22] <stian> googlah, you wouldn't happen to have gnome as well?
[12:22] <kernel_i386> a plugin?
[12:22] <stian> kernel_i386, no, it's a windowmanager
[12:22] <murchadh> I was using Slackware in 1993 - and it was pretty good. I had trouble getting ygdrassil to work properly.
[12:22] <Nomad411> a different windows manager, you can use it on kubuntu if you'd like
[12:22] <Nomad411> murchadh: same here
[12:23] <Nomad411> Bought it on CDs, they were made out of wood
[12:23] <kernel_i386> Nomad411: would it be an alternative to "KDE" then?
[12:23] <kernel_i386> or an alternative to konqueror?
[12:23] <Nomad411> kernel: alternative to KDM anyway :)
[12:23] <kernel_i386> KDM? :)
[12:23] <stian> no
[12:23] <kernel_i386> kde  desktop manager...
[12:23] <stian> kdm is the login manager
[12:23] <kernel_i386> lol
[12:23] <Nomad411> oops..
[12:23] <twan> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/twan/svgalib-1.4.3/sharedlib'
[12:23] <twan> make: *** [sharedlib/libvga.so.1.4.3]  Error 2
[12:23] <kernel_i386> hehehe
[12:23] <stian> :P
[12:23] <twan> What is that?
[12:23] <kernel_i386> what ever
[12:23] <kernel_i386> to what is fluxbox comperable?
[12:23] <stian> dunno what the window manager is called in kde, but oh well
[12:24] <Nomad411> not that I ever consider myself an expert at anything anyway :)
[12:24] <kernel_i386> *comparable
[12:24] <Nomad411> !fluxbox
[12:24] <ubotu> I heard fluxbox is a lightweight window manager.  Installation instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fluxbox.  More information at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net
[12:24] <kernel_i386> hehe Nomad411 you are in my tiny eyes
[12:24] <stian> kernel_i386, you see your windows? they have frames around them :) the frames and close/maximize buttons are there because of the windowmanager
[12:24] <Nomad411> Not sure what that means.. hehe
[12:24] <Nomad411> Oh I get it..
[12:24] <stian> so, you can change you windowmanager, the thing drawing the edges of your windows
[12:25] <murchadh> Nomad411: You'll be welcome in Europe, well Ireland anyhow. They were made out of recycled Guinness cans here....
[12:25] <kernel_i386> coool.. so I will fluxbox install here? ..or is it bad - or does have any disadvantages for me?
[12:25] <stian> you can also run fluxbox alone, without a desktop and startmenu and all that, just a rightclick menu, very simple and pure
[12:25] <Nomad411> God I miss Guiness.. I discovered myself to hav eCeliac disease in teh last years.. No more wheat/gluten, etc... No More Guiness.. :(
[12:25] <kernel_i386> Guiness is irish
[12:25] <stian> kernel_i386, that depends, I would only use fluxbox if i had a really old computer :P
[12:26] <kernel_i386> why stian?
[12:26] <Nomad411> I always foudn Ireland attractive.. Think I shoudl look for an IT job there?  Is is still in demand?
[12:26] <twan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8015
[12:26] <kernel_i386> Nomad411.. hmm.. dunno.. try! I think they pay well..
[12:26] <stian> becaus it's not really made for giving you a desktop feeling, it's made to be small, simple to use, configurable and lightweight (ie. running on old computers)
[12:26] <Nomad411> kernel: Sleek und efficient!!  ;)
[12:27] <kernel_i386> okay.. so I might use it to .. run my linux @ full speed performance?
[12:27] <murchadh> Yeah, but you'll be working for yanks. They're our masters now, Intel,MS, HP, Boston Scientific, etc. etc. etc.
[12:27] <kernel_i386> hehehe Nomad411
[12:27] <stian> I like to have lots of GUI stuff, so I prefer gnome/kde if I can
[12:27] <Nomad411> That or strap it to the hood of your sports car
[12:27] <Nomad411> KDE will certainly look better if you like that
[12:27] <kernel_i386> ok .. so fluxbox can only be used "instead" of kde / gnome...
[12:27] <stian> nono
[12:28] <kernel_i386> so... ...how can it be "faster" / or be prefered on older pcs?
[12:28] <stian> you can use it instead of kde/gnome, or, you can use it with kde/gnome just replacing their standard windowmanagers
[12:28] <kernel_i386> and "with" your system gets slower.. doesn't it?
[12:28] <Nomad411> ok,, coudl I say that KDE is the styles, colors, etc.. and that Fluxbox is teh engine that draws it on teh screen?
[12:28] <Nomad411> but it wouldn't draw as nice as what you have now by default
[12:28] <EightiesK> !katapult
[12:28] <ubotu> katapult is probably an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[12:29] <Nomad411> katapult is kewl.. :)
[12:29] <kernel_i386> okay..
[12:29] <stian> kernel_i386, I would think it makes you system a _little_ less slow using kde/gnome with fluxbox
[12:29] <Nomad411> and kompos
[12:29] <EightiesK> i need it for fc4
[12:29] <EightiesK> i can'
[12:29] <EightiesK> t
[12:29] <stian> it will make you system much faster using only fluxbox
[12:29] <EightiesK> find it
[12:29] <kernel_i386> Nomad411: what's kompose  - and which plugins are you using @ katapult?
[12:29] <Nomad411> there ar eplugins for katapult?
[12:29] <googlah> stian, i made it, to make the configuration work at startup. thanks for the help. :)
[12:29] <kernel_i386> well.. themes..
[12:29] <kernel_i386> however you call them..
[12:30] <kernel_i386> "addins"
[12:30] <stian> googlah, great :D
[12:30] <Nomad411> kompose allows you to easily see and switch to any windows on your machine that are open, like on the mac
[12:30] <kernel_i386> hmm like on the mac?
[12:30] <kernel_i386> never worked with a mac..
[12:30] <Nomad411> katapult is to easily start apps, by simply typing a few letters of their names
[12:30] <kernel_i386> ah.. okay.. sorry
[12:30] <Nomad411> !kompose
[12:30] <ubotu> Nomad411: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:30] <kernel_i386> I mixed it up..
[12:30] <kernel_i386> with..
[12:30] <kernel_i386> ehm..
[12:31] <kernel_i386> ehm.. that thing that makes things on your desktop which show cpu % space / storage .. and stuff .. in a stylish way
[12:31] <Nomad411> kernel: go to http://www.kde-look.org , you'll find all sorts of great things for KDE
[12:31] <Nomad411> including kompose probably
[12:31] <kernel_i386> yes I know that page
[12:31] <kernel_i386> I mean karamba!
[12:31] <kernel_i386> :D
[12:31] <Nomad411> it'll be better explained there, and with pictures. :)
[12:31] <Nomad411> I don't use superkaramba
[12:32] <Nomad411> I tried it for a dock but ended up going back to ksmoothdock
[12:32] <kernel_i386> btw ...  @ kde-look.org does not have "fluxbox" - why? when it's "supported" in kde?
[12:32] <kernel_i386> ksmoothdock
[12:32] <kernel_i386> ok.. if you use that..
[12:32] <kernel_i386> I'll try that too
[12:32] <Nomad411> fluxbox will come through kubuntu
[12:32] <kernel_i386> what does that mean?
[12:32] <kernel_i386> "come through"
[12:33] <Nomad411> install from
[12:33] <kernel_i386> ok.. so .. consequence?
[12:33] <Nomad411> you can try fluxbox, and if you don't like it switch back
[12:34] <kernel_i386> ...switch back to "KDE" or to a style "in" KDE
[12:34] <Nomad411> A friend of mine is about ready to switch to Kubuntu from Windows, but I have to make hi sEverQuest game work.. What is best, wine?  or qemu with Windows
[12:34] <Nomad411> kernel: I'm not very up on desktop stuff..
[12:34] <kernel_i386> cadega
[12:34] <Nomad411> the best is to google it :)
[12:35] <Nomad411> I'm looking for free alternatives.. and legal :)
[12:35] <kernel_i386> hehe, yea.. or know someone here who knows better than google
[12:35] <Nomad411> !google
[12:35] <ubotu> I heard google is a very popular internet search engine at http://www.google.com - They also run Gmail at http://www.gmail.com as a free E-mail service.
[12:35] <kernel_i386> has cagega already been cracked for linux?
[12:35] <EightiesK> !cock
[12:35] <ubotu> EightiesK: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:35] <Nomad411> google fluxbox
[12:35] <kernel_i386> yea.. I know someone who uses fluxbox
[12:35] <EightiesK> !yahoo
[12:35] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, EightiesK
[12:35] <kernel_i386> he will show me tomorrow
[12:36] <Nomad411> there you go..
[12:36] <kernel_i386> has cagega already been cracked for linux? <-- ?
[12:36] <EightiesK> sudo apt-get fluxbox
[12:36] <kernel_i386> hehe - btw sudo -i <-- what does the -i mean?
[12:36] <Nomad411> try sudo -h
[12:36] <Nomad411> just before the i ;)
[12:36] <kernel_i386> hhee k
[12:37] <kernel_i386> can't see an explaination?
[12:37] <kernel_i386> sudo: Only one of the -e, -h, -k, -K, -l, -s, -v or -V options may be used
[12:37] <kernel_i386> usage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v
[12:37] <kernel_i386> usage: sudo [-HPSb]  [-p prompt]  [-u username|#uid] 
[12:37] <kernel_i386>             { -e file [...]  | -i | -s | <command> }
[12:38] <stian> I think iptables is ruining my computer :S
[12:38] <stian> neither my webserver nor ssh works anymore
[12:38] <stian> but I don't really know if it's iptables
[12:38] <kernel_i386> hehe.. yea a friend had that problem :P
[12:39] <Nomad411> stian: turn it off and see
[12:39] <stian> Nomad411, how do I turn off iptables?
[12:39] <Nomad411> I used to just go service iptables stop on redhat, it must be close to that here..
[12:39] <Nomad411> lemme see
[12:40] <stian> oh
[12:40] <stian> there's something called firestarter installed, remember that
[12:40] <Nomad411> yes
[12:40] <stian> I think this happened because this was the first reboot after installing that :P
[12:40] <Nomad411> I was looking for the service name in init.d
[12:40] <stian> now everything works :)
[12:40] <stian> stupid firestarter :p
[12:40] <Nomad411> happy happy joy joy!
[12:41] <stian> yeah, thanks
[12:41] <Nomad411> fire.. it's sooo ohot!
[12:41] <kernel_i386> what is firestarter?
[12:41] <Nomad411> do you want to run without a firewall though?
[12:41] <Nomad411> !firestarter
[12:41] <ubotu> Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter, which can be installed via synaptic.
[12:42] <Nomad411> You gotta learn about the ! kernel  LOL
[12:42] <kernel_i386> hehehe
[12:42] <Nomad411> !ubotu
[12:42] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[12:42] <kernel_i386> okay.. so that's why nobody (incl. me) can't access my vsftpd?
[12:42] <stian> hmm, the firewall seems to have decided to only let itself shutoff when firestarter is running :S
[12:42] <Nomad411> kernel: No, I'm on your machien right now..
[12:42] <Nomad411> watch me open your CD rom
[12:43] <Nomad411> kidding
[12:43] <kernel_i386> lol
[12:44] <Nomad411> !whatisthematrix?
[12:44] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[12:44] <Nomad411> Damn! That one shoudl be in there :)
[12:44] <meple> anyone know how to get .wmv files working in Kubuntu?
[12:45] <meple> VLX , bleep or kaffeine wont play em
[12:45] <meple> VLC*
[12:45] <rosemary> is there a command line way to install packages?
[12:46] <stian> 2
[12:46] <stian> rosemary, apt-get
[12:46] <stian> rosemary, use "sudo apt-get install package"
[12:46] <stian> replacing package with the name of the package :)
[12:46] <rosemary> stian thanks - debian-like, should have have thought of that
[12:47] <stian> :)
[12:47] <stian> very much so debian like
[12:47] <kernel_i386> rosemary's name sounds like a sweet linux girl :P
[12:47] <rosemary> how do I set root - don't recall doing it during the install?
[12:47] <stian> rosemary, there is no root
[12:47] <stian> using sudo, you provide your users password for doing root actions
[12:48] <rosemary> stian okay thanks - giving the PC to someone else if I can get modem going, so don't want her to be able to mess with settings etc
[12:48] <stian> I have apple stickers, and wanna stick them somewhere, but no surface large enough for it to be cool
[12:48] <stian> rosemary, hehe, that's great
[12:48] <rosemary> kernel_i386: old enough to be a grandmother :-)
[12:49] <stian> hehe :)
[12:49] <kernel_i386> ow ow
[12:49] <rosemary> stian but first want to get network it with main PC and install xgce
[12:49] <rosemary> xfce
[12:49] <stian> oh, hehe
[12:50] <stian> that's what I installed for my mom :P
[12:50] <kernel_i386> rosemary: how old? :)
[12:50] <rosemary> this is for my mother too - I gave her a P3 but want that back and will give her this P2
[12:50] <rosemary> kernel_i386: me - 54
[12:50] <kernel_i386> ow ow :)
[12:50] <Nomad411> ubotu tell kernel_i386 abotu manners
[12:51] <kernel_i386> "never ask a woman for her age"?
[12:51] <Nomad411> kidding
[12:51] <rosemary> lol I am past the age of minding!
[12:51] <stian> hehehe
[12:51] <Nomad411> hehe
[12:52] <Nomad411> Any potential grandma that grokks linux is one kewll mama to have around :)
[12:52] <rosemary> just switching to other pc and kubuntu to try get network going back in a sec
[12:52] <kameron> try to keep it on topic, or go to #ubuntu-offtopic, or #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:52] <stian> :O
[12:53] <kernel_i386> lol kameron
[12:53] <kernel_i386> are you an "op" or "halfop" or something? :P
[12:53] <stian> if there was a topic, sure
[12:53] <kameron> kernel_i386, do you want to find out, or can you please stay on topic?
[12:53] <kernel_i386> I'd like to find out :P
[12:53] <stian> haha
[12:53] <kernel_i386> (without being banned)
[12:55] <kernel_i386> ?
[12:55] <kernel_i386> kameron sent me a query message
[12:55] <kernel_i386> is he allowed to?
[12:55] <Nomad411> I dunno
[12:56] <stian> eeh? why should he not be?
[12:56] <kameron> lol, why would i not be?
[12:56] <Nomad411> ask ubotu.. lol
[12:56] <stian> it's a free universe?
[12:56] <kameron> and again, kernel_i386 PLEASE take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:56] <Nomad411> multiverse
[12:56] <stian> indeed
[12:57] <kernel_i386> kameron is a real spoiler..
[12:58] <Nomad411> well this channel is incredibly useful for technical info and more, I could see it turning into a chat tavern if not kept up
[12:58] <Nomad411> would suck to come in here to watch lines after lines of marital trouble stories. :)
[12:58] <Nomad411> when you want to know how to boot!!! :)
[12:59] <stian> :o
[12:59] <stian> just start every message with "One time when I was having trouble booting"
[12:59] <Nomad411> LOL
[12:59] <Nomad411> In band camp!!
[12:59] <stian> hehe
[01:00] <stian> we don't have camps in norway
[01:00] <stian> not the way they seem to have it in north america
[01:00] <stian> I wish I could have gone to computer camp, band camp, fat camp and such :P
[01:01] <kernel_i386> Nomad411: please use #kubuntu-offtopic to talk about behaviour inhere
[01:01] <Nomad411> I just did  :)
[01:01] <rosemary> what's the name of the xfce package to use using apt-get install
[01:02] <stian> rosemary, xubuntu-desktop
[01:02] <rosemary> stian - thanks, would never have thought of that one.
[01:02] <hawking> if I get the new version of snort and compile from source will it be replaced by the old one or do i have to remove the other?
[01:02] <Nomad411> would that be teh ice wm?
[01:02] <hawking> I got the old one from repos
[01:02] <stian> rosemary, hehe, it's sort of going to be it's own version, like kubuntu is
[01:03] <rosemary> stian - hmm, need to do a heap of reading I think
[01:03] <rosemary> what about xchat?
[01:03] <stian> hmm, just xchat isn't it?
[01:04] <stian> yeah
[01:04] <stian> apt-get install xchat should do
[01:04] <kernel_i386> is xchat better than konveration?
[01:04] <Nomad411> I liked it
[01:04] <hatake_kakashi> kernel_i386: different people different tastes :p
[01:04] <stian> kernel_i386, yes :) but that depends on what you like. xchat is gnome/gtk, so it's much more snug to use when you are in gnome/xfce
[01:04] <Nomad411> but I'm trying to stay with the k-apps to see if it,s better
[01:05] <rosemary> okay apt-get install xubuntu-desktop gives "can't find package"
[01:05] <stian> rosemary, okay, then you need to enable the universe repositories
[01:05] <Nomad411> yup, just checked, it,s in there
[01:05] <stian> rosemary, do you know how to edit your sources.list
[01:05] <rosemary> maybe network isn't working yet - I'll check
[01:05] <rosemary> stian no I don't
[01:05] <stian> hmm, okay
[01:06] <stian> rosemary, can you use vi or nano?
[01:07] <rosemary> stian I have used vi in the past but am out of practice as have moved house and hardly used computer except to check email
[01:07] <MrJangles> hello
[01:07] <rosemary> what about mc?  Is that installed in default?
[01:07] <stian> hmm, no I don't think it is
[01:07] <MrJangles> how do i run as root so i can edit user/group ?
[01:08] <stian> if you can do "sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:08] <dark_suic> sudo command, MrJangles
[01:08] <stian> rosemary, if you can do "sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:08] <dark_suic> if you want to do it via systemsettings, kdesu systemsettings
[01:08] <MrJangles> i'm trying to use the gui for users and groups, its telling me to click "Administartion mode"
[01:08] <MrJangles> where is that?
[01:08] <MrJangles> k
[01:08] <MrJangles> thanks
[01:09] <hatake_kakashi> on the bottom, near Apply, etc
[01:09] <stian> rosemary, and then press "i" to enter edit mode, you can delete ever pound sign you find, press escape followed by ":wq" and then return
[01:09] <stian> rosemary, then apt-get update and you should have access to everything available
[01:10] <sagarp> i downloaded the kubuntu kde 3.5 + koffice 1.5 livecd...and it's in german!
[01:10] <rosemary> stian okay I have written that down and will switch and try
[01:11] <unholy> rosemary! Have you jumped ship?
[01:11] <unholy> We didn't see each other here :)
[01:13] <unholy> On the ubuntu hardware compatibility list, there is an entry for U.S.Robotics 5410 card. Would someone mind telling me if this entry means it will work after I install from the 600MB CD? Its located here https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[01:15] <cesare> ciao
[01:15] <Hobbsee> unholy: assuming that's correct, it'll work just fine
[01:15] <rosemary> stian my problem is network not working.  I can ping both ways but can't get google from kubuntu
[01:15] <unholy> Hobbsee: you mean assuming the details in the entry are correct?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:16] <Hobbsee> which they should be
[01:16] <sagarp> how do i change the language in kde to be english?!
[01:16] <stian> rosemary, can you ping google?
[01:16] <rosemary> stian can't find googles number
[01:16] <stian> hmm
[01:16] <unholy> excellent. Thats what it looks like, but it sounded way too good to be true. Very happy :) I wll be wiping Mandriva sometime next week.
[01:17] <stian> 74.14.207.99
[01:17] <stian> that's google, you can't ping it?
[01:17] <rosemary> unholy another mandriva user leaving?
[01:17] <Red_Herring> i find it odd that many people come here to ask about config problems that i figured out by just clicking around
[01:17] <unholy> hehe, yes. There are a few of us arent there!
[01:18] <Red_Herring> what happened to users just exploring their system to find the cause of their problems
[01:18] <Red_Herring> im glad to help
[01:18] <Red_Herring> but still
[01:18] <Red_Herring> i dont know
[01:18] <Nomad411> mandriva has gone downhill?   I used to like it
[01:18] <Red_Herring> yup
[01:18] <Nomad411> Not enough since I'm here I guess. :)
[01:18] <Red_Herring> its suse vs ubuntu
[01:18] <rosemary> stian 100% packet loss - maybe a firewall is intalled by deafult?
[01:18] <kernel_i386> hehe
[01:18] <unholy> Nomad411: Mandriva gets better every release. Its excellent actually. But ubuntu seems to have an edge over it for some people.
[01:18] <Red_Herring> and ubuntu, when you include kubuntu, is nearly TWICE as big as suse
[01:19] <Nomad411> ahhh
[01:19] <Nomad411> I thougt gentoo was teh king of desktops
[01:19] <unholy> Gentoo is for people who knit their own clothse :)
[01:19] <stian> rosemary, hmm, I don't think so, I've never had that problem. How's your network set up? Are you using static ip's or dhcp? Is your dns as it should be?
[01:19] <jung> what is the switch i put after a program so i can free up konsole?
[01:19] <Nomad411> using win98 on qemu, what is teh best (easiest to setup) way to exchange files with kubuntu?  Can I FTP to my linux box?
[01:20] <unholy> jung &
[01:20] <Nomad411> jung: free up?  Oh you mean &
[01:20] <jung> yea, i'm trying to run deskcal and its freezing up my konsole until i cancel it
[01:20] <Nomad411> look into nohup too
[01:20] <Nomad411> that ay you can even close the console after
[01:21] <Nomad411> ex:   nohup command  &
[01:21] <Nomad411> oops.. konsole
[01:21] <Nomad411> :)
[01:21] <jung> sweet the "&" after gdeskcal worked
[01:22] <stian> Nomad411, installing openssh on ubuntu and a scp client on win98 would be easiest in my opinion
[01:22] <Red_Herring> aggreed
[01:22] <Nomad411> interesting, yup
[01:23] <Nomad411> How do I refer to my linux world though?  I seem to have a 10.x.x.x address inwondows
[01:23] <Nomad411> windows
[01:23] <rosemary> stian just looking at system - don't see firewall.  I ran ifconfig eth0 number then route add default gw bumber
[01:23] <Nomad411> ummm.. can my virtual windows have a real IP from my network?
[01:24] <stian> Nomad411, probably, dunno how to do it though, bridged networking I believe it's called
[01:24] <stian> rosemary, hmm
[01:24] <slow-motion> n8
[01:24] <stian> rosemary, do you have dhcp you could try?
[01:25] <mirsh> what do i need to do to dual boot with grub? i've tried editing grub.conf, but i still get no menu when i grub starts (it boots kubuntu directly). i want to be able to choose what linux kernel to boot.
[01:25] <MrJangles> hey, whats a good ftp server to use?
[01:25] <mirsh> *start grub :D
[01:25] <mister_roboto> can someone tell me if there is one package name to install kde on ubuntu that will pull in almost everything else?
[01:25] <Red_Herring> pro ftp
[01:25] <mister_roboto> MrJangles: might want to just go with ssh and forget ftp
[01:25] <stian> mister_roboto, yes, kubuntu-desktop
[01:25] <Red_Herring> mister_roboto: kubuntu_desktop
[01:25] <Red_Herring> or kde
[01:25] <MrJangles> ya
[01:25] <Red_Herring> but ya want the kubuntu look, right?
[01:25] <mister_roboto> stian: Red_Herring: thx
[01:25] <MrJangles> do browsers support that tho?
[01:26] <Red_Herring> MrJangles: yup
[01:26] <mister_roboto> that's right, I want to end up with a KDE desktop
[01:26] <rosemary> stian - there is no /etc/resolv.conf file
[01:26] <stian> hmm
[01:26] <stian> this is a little out of my league though :/
[01:27] <kernel_i386> rosemary: maybe /home/user/ .conf ? *G*
[01:27] <rosemary> stian just reading notes from setting previous network - I need to copy this pc /etc/resolv.conf file to kubuntu
[01:27] <MrJangles> is there anything i have to do to start it?
[01:27] <MrJangles> sorry nvm
[01:27] <unholy> If its any help, my resolv.conf contains just two lines:
[01:28] <unholy> nameserver 194.168.8.100
[01:28] <unholy> nameserver 194.168.4.100
[01:28] <mister_roboto> MrJangles: to start ssh you mean?
[01:28] <rosemary> kernel_i386: says command not found
[01:29] <rosemary> unholy thanks I'll take a look at man pc also
[01:29] <kernel_i386> ok.. sry.. don't ask me .. I am a bloody linux noob
[01:29] <MrJangles> my ssh is started, i can connect via an ssh client, but i would like to connect with browser ftp to my web server
[01:29] <unholy> np
[01:30] <rosemary> unholy I think mine will be nameserver 192.168.1.1 but will lokk
[01:30] <MrJangles> how do i do that?
[01:30] <stian> MrJangles, i believe you will have to set up an ftpserer that accepts passive connections
[01:30] <unholy> rosemary: cool, okay.
[01:30] <mister_roboto> MrJangles: konqueror has it built in (fish protocol)
[01:31] <MrJangles> i want to be able to access it from a windows machine aswell
[01:31] <stian> as mentioned
[01:31] <MrJangles> ya
[01:31] <MrJangles> mister says i can use ssh tho
[01:31] <mister_roboto> MrJangles: other browsers you will need to tell it what the handler program is for that protocol (or find a plugin to do so)
[01:31] <Nomad411> thanks for bringing up resolv.conf, I think I just found out why networking has always been slower on my linux box.  I just added the name servers from teh ISP :)
[01:31] <MrJangles> bah, forget it lol, what can i use for an ftp server?
[01:32] <MrJangles> i dont need to be that secure
[01:32] <stian> MrJangles, if you just want to access your /home/user directory, you can use WinSCP3 with the same login as when logging in with sh
[01:32] <Nomad411> proftpd is good
[01:32] <dell500> anyone here know why there isn't a /src/ folder in kubuntu?? trying to install projectM
[01:32] <Nomad411> easy to manage
[01:32] <stian> ssh, it works out of the box
[01:32] <MrJangles> ya, i thought about winSCP
[01:32] <Nomad411> sftp you mean?
[01:32] <MrJangles> but i think i would rather stick with an ftp server
[01:33] <stian> okay then try proftpd
[01:33] <rosemary> unholy stian now I see it /etc/resolv.conf needs my isp as nameserver
[01:33] <MrJangles> excellent
[01:33] <unholy> great
[01:33] <stian> rosemary, ah, you got it working now?
[01:35] <MrJangles> ty, miser_roboto, stian
[01:35] <MrJangles> t
[01:36] <rosemary> stian updating as we speak :-)
[01:36] <stian> rosemary :)
[01:36] <unholy> cool :)
[01:36] <rosemary> glad I kept notes from previous set up
[01:37] <stian> hehe, I have a whole notebook for stuff like that :P
[01:37] <unholy> Glad I logged in or I would be having the same problem next week :)
[01:37] <rosemary> unholy wasn't following before - are you transferring from mandriva?
[01:37] <unholy> rosemary, yes. I've been using it since 9.0.
[01:37] <rosemary> yes - I keep email instructions too
[01:38] <rosemary> unholy -new to linux really started with 10.1 last year and still on 2005, but this looks very good
[01:38] <rosemary> liked apt-get in debian
[01:39] <Nomad411> does networking need to be restarted if changes ar emade to resolv.conf?  No huh?
[01:39] <unholy> rosemary, I thought you were on it much longer. I remember talking to you about Irish heritage a long time ago.
[01:40] <rosemary> unholy I did dabble with it a few years ago, but never really got the hang of it and went back to windows
[01:40] <rosemary> unholy then bought new pc two years ago, and dual boot now
[01:41] <rosemary> unholy windows for scanner and family tree records
[01:41] <unholy> rosemary oh. Have you heard of Gramps for linux? (family tree software)
[01:43] <rosemary> Nomad411: I didn't restart.  Simply made the /etc/resolv.conf file added the info and connected
[01:43] <Nomad411> That's what I thought, good :)
[01:44] <rosemary> unholy yes I have it installed but used to FTM and like the print output better
[01:44] <unholy> okay :)
[01:44] <Nomad411> is FTM related to RTFM?
[01:44] <mars> !java
[01:44] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[01:44] <rosemary> Nomad411: but I'm pretty green, just following some old email instructions I had from a maling list
[01:44] <unholy> When someone says RTFM, you say F*** the manual!
[01:44] <mars> !javadebs
[01:45] <Nomad411> lol
[01:45] <Nomad411> ok..
[01:45] <Nomad411> thanbks
[01:45] <unholy> no problem :)
[01:45] <mars> helpful bot :/
[01:45] <Nomad411> hehe
[01:45] <Nomad411> yes, don't feed it
[01:45] <mars> I still dont know what java i need to install to run limewire and azureus
[01:45] <Nomad411> I go for the Sun one
[01:46] <Nomad411> from their website
[01:46] <Nomad411> though I don't know about limewire
[01:46] <Nomad411> Blackdown seems to have issues to me
[01:47] <arrinmurr> mars: http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~seveas/pool/java/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb
[01:47] <rosemary> Nomad411: I couldn't get blackdown going in mandriva
[01:47] <Nomad411> rosemary: me either back then
[01:48] <Nomad411> ok, I have SCP client installed on windows, inside of qemu, but I still don't knwo what to point to to connect to my linux
[01:48] <rosemary> Nomad411: think someone from #mandriva talked me through it in the end
[01:48] <Nomad411> rtfm
[01:48] <arrinmurr> mars: and after it's installed, you need to run "sudo update-alternatives --config java" to choose that the newly installed java should be used by default
[01:49] <rosemary> hope I don't have same problem with kubuntu
[01:49] <unholy> I found suns java easy to get going in mandriva.
[01:50] <Lord_Athur> where are the files of the wiki documentation?, I use dokuwiki
[01:50] <unholy> Setting up the likes of firefox to acknowlege it wasnt that easy mind you, but the java was there.
[01:51] <Nomad411> My god qemu is a complete software  :)
[01:52] <rosemary> unholy putting in the link was a problem with firefox I think
[01:52] <unholy> oh
[01:53] <unholy> yeah, I did so much messing around with flash / java / realplayer that I forget how I actually got them working. This time, Ill keep a notebook.
[01:54] <rosemary> unholy I do have my notes somewhere - just hope I can follow them, but I've written down the above instructions anyway
[01:55] <Nomad411> unholy: great idea to keep a log book with each machine
[01:57] <Nomad411> arghh.. compiling qemu to have kqemu seems to be a bit complex.. They hate gcc 4 to start with..   Is there a kqemu already made for the qemu in kubuntu?
[01:57] <Nomad411> !kqemu
[01:57] <Nomad411> Why did I even wonder.. Lol
[01:58] <\merry> gn8 all
[01:58] <rosemary> installing xuntu-desktop now - anyone using it?
[01:58] <Nomad411> niht
[01:59] <Nomad411> didn't know about it until tonight :)
[01:59] <Nomad411> look forward to your feedback though
[01:59] <rosemary> Nomad411: xfce?
[01:59] <Nomad411> yes
[01:59] <unholy> Nomad411, yes. And on paper too!
[02:00] <unholy> I've just read a brief article on Ubuntu. The author suggest that its not preferable for people who have been using other distros.http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/01/21/ubuntu-is-not-the-only-distro/
[02:01] <unholy> If anyone has nothing better to do that is :)
[02:01] <rosemary> Nomad411: I like it - use it in mandriva and vectorlinux
[02:02] <rosemary> unholy will take a look while I wait for my download
[02:02] <unholy> okay rosemary
[02:02] <rosemary> unholy link not working
[02:03] <unholy> http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/01/21/ubuntu-is-not-the-only-distro/
[02:03] <unholy> Try that?
[02:04] <unholy>  The first one worked for me there.
[02:04] <rosemary> working
[02:04] <unholy> ok
[02:04] <Nomad411> funny, they SAY there are other distros, but never mention one that's easier for the avergage user
[02:07] <unholy> If ubuntu uses apt-get, then I dont think its too hard to configure that to install software. Maybe for a totally new user.
[02:08] <rosemary> Nomad411: well so far kubuntu is easy to install packages, but I've only had it 22 hours :-)
[02:09] <rosemary> unholy my main interest will be dependency issues
[02:09] <Nomad411> not 22 hours installing I hope..
[02:09] <unholy> yes.
[02:10] <rosemary> Nomad411: nope! :-)
[02:10] <unholy> When people say "an rpm based" distro, does that include .deb files?
[02:10] <Nomad411> nope
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> Hard to use is a relative term. After using linux almost soley for the last 9 years I find windows difficult to use.
[02:10] <unholy> Good.
[02:10] <rosemary> unholy probably my main issue with mandriva
[02:10] <unholy> me too.
[02:10] <Nomad411> rpm is it,s own thing, BUT you can use them here normally, using "alien"
[02:10] <mister_roboto> unholy: you think adept or synaptic is hard for new users?
[02:11] <rosemary> unholy think they are two distinct systems for packaging
[02:11] <unholy> rosemary: I wanted to remove a fax program or something, and it wanted to remove loads of unrelated stuff like audio drivers before it would let me do it.
[02:12] <unholy> mister_roboto: I've never used them. The article seems to think its an issue when trying to configure other sources I presume.
[02:12] <unholy> *article=author.
[02:12] <rosemary> seems as though ubuntu and kubuntu make their own packages for heaps of commonly used applications
[02:12] <unholy> yes
[02:12] <rosemary> unholy yes - same with installing, and urpmi didn't always do what it should
[02:13] <unholy> I've searched for all the apps I use, and theyre all there. Even odd ones like kxdocker.
[02:13] <mister_roboto> unholy: seems easier to me than tracking down windows software over the net :)
[02:13] <rosemary> unholy in kubuntu?
[02:13] <mister_roboto> unholy: and safer
[02:13] <Nomad411> I've never missed anything having switched to Ubuntu
[02:13] <Nomad411> quit ethe opposite :)
[02:13] <unholy> rosemary: yes, theyre all there for kubuntu. I just googled "appname ubuntu"
[02:14] <unholy> mister_roboto: well, youre definately installing to a nicer environment.
[02:14] <rosemary> unholy: I have to confess I haven't done a lot of reading yet.  Got it because thought it would go onto this older P2
[02:14] <unholy> I see.
[02:14] <rosemary> Nomad411: how does it go dual booting do you know?
[02:14] <Nomad411> very well
[02:15] <rosemary> unholy - good idea, I'll try that
[02:15] <Nomad411> and for those that install windows after linux..  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:15] <unholy> rosemary: I know that when you go to install SimplyMEPIS, it reccomends the 2.4 kernel for older hardware and 2.6 for the newer hardware. But I really dont know anything beyond that :)
[02:16] <unholy> Nomad411: Excellent! I can never help people with that problem.
[02:16] <rosemary> unholy: I have tried simplyMEPIS but haven't got my notes handy
[02:17] <rosemary> unholy: I have tried simplyMEPIS but haven't got my notes handy
[02:17] <unholy> ah :)
[02:17] <unholy> ah :)
[02:17] <rosemary> I think the time is coming when I will recover more of my windows partiton and reinstall whatever linux I decide to use
[02:18] <rosemary> unholy it is supposed to be very good
[02:20] <unholy> rosemary: I ran the livecd once on my laptop and liked it. But my cdrom is faulty so I couldnt spend much time with it.
[02:21] <Nomad411> is anyone here using kqemu?
[02:21] <Nomad411> i used the script to install/compile and it ended up with an eror loading the module.. I wonder if it,s normal
[02:22] <rosemary> unholy: for some reason my notes are minimal - found them.  Didn't keep it long at all
[02:24] <unholy> rosemary: Thanks anyway. You've certainly done the rounds as well. At this stage I dont mind putting time into getting it working, but I want it to get working and stay working. I could never get what I wanted 100% in Mandriva so hopefully a month or two on kubuntu will sort me out.
[02:25] <[g2] > is there the equivalent of a kubuntu debootstrap ?
[02:25] <Nomad411> unholy: great start  --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[02:25] <unholy> Cheers Nomad411!
[02:26] <unholy> What OS had you before this Nomad411 ?
[02:28] <rosemary> unholy: part of it for me is supportive community as well.  I am not linux knowledgabel enough to be able to figure things out from the RTFM suggestion always
[02:28] <Nomad411> I started with Slackware, then had the obligatory redHat for a long time, then discovered Mandrake, tried various BSDs, and of course always had all the needed windows for work
[02:28] <blackflag> hello all
[02:28] <Nomad411> switched to Ubuntu one day, was intrigued by teh name, then found that I coudl get KDE by going Kubuntu, an dhere I am..
[02:28] <Nomad411> My Windows machien died yesterday, and I don't think I care.. ;)
[02:29] <unholy> LOL
[02:29] <Nomad411> especially now that qemu allows me to run win98 in a VM so that i can check my webpages against IE 6
[02:29] <unholy> cool! Whats the performance like? Or have you used it yet?
[02:29] <Nomad411> I'll be gettin gthe CPU from the windows box an dupdating this one
[02:29] <blackflag> Can someone tell me how I could tell apache2 to diplay a "bin"- file ina browser?
[02:29] <Nomad411> I am using it now, it's useable, but not a racer
[02:30] <unholy> right
[02:30] <blackflag> Does someone know what I have to add to DirectoryIndex?
[02:30] <Nomad411> that's why I just added kqemu (Speed boost) and taht,s where I am now, just finished recomoiling
[02:30] <Nomad411> qemu is free and open, kqemu is free and closed
[02:30] <unholy> I see.
[02:30] <unholy> Interesting though. Windows98 can be handy.
[02:30] <Nomad411> blackflag: display?
[02:30] <unholy> And its lightweight.
[02:30] <Nomad411> yup
[02:31] <blackflag> What I mean is
[02:31] <unholy> Actually, I liked ME a lot.
[02:31] <Nomad411> blackflag:  directory listing?
[02:32] <blackflag> you can tell to apache2 what kind of files should be displaed in a browser
[02:32] <Nomad411> as in parsed and displayed?
[02:32] <blackflag> index.php , index.html......
[02:32] <Nomad411> your bin file will be listed?
[02:32] <Nomad411> ohh ok..
[02:32] <Nomad411> it,s in mime.types
[02:32] <Nomad411> coudl be found in /etc directly I think
[02:32] <Nomad411>  let me go check to be sure
[02:34] <Nomad411> do you mean that .bin is a text file for your system?
[02:34] <blackflag> no, I installed mailman
[02:34] <Nomad411> oh..
[02:34] <blackflag> and I dont have a webgui
[02:35] <Nomad411> it's to interact with mailman?
[02:35] <blackflag> when I browse to domein.tld/mailman/create
[02:35] <Nomad411> web interface?
[02:35] <Nomad411> haven",t used mailman in a while.. :(
[02:35] <blackflag> then I can download a file but it should be  a website displayed
[02:36] <blackflag> so its a apache2 issue
[02:36] <Nomad411> I must b esleepier than I thought, I don,t get it..
[02:36] <blackflag> I googled but cant find a solution
[02:36] <rosemary> hope the 3Gb hard drive is going to be enough
[02:37] <Nomad411> so, .bin is actually what, php code?  perl?
[02:37] <blackflag> dont know its a mailman file
[02:37] <Nomad411> brb
[02:38] <unholy> rosemary, you'll have to stay away from multimedia I guess, but the distro is on a 600MB CD so I guess youll be okay for productivity.
[02:39] <Nomad411> blackflag: can you give me the URL to check?
[02:40] <Nomad411> I think it's a setting up cgi-bin from mailman
[02:40] <Nomad411> to be recognized by apache
[02:40] <rosemary> unholy: but should be enough for email and browsing
[02:41] <unholy> rosemary definately.
[02:41] <rosemary> unholy: that's all that's needed for my mother
[02:42] <unholy> Excellent, thats perfect for her I guess. Will she be using dialup or broadband connection?
[02:42] <Nomad411> rosemary: You coudl have made it a LiveCd machien and used the 3 Gb for data :)
[02:42] <unholy> Nomad411 is on the ball :)
[02:43] <rosemary> dialup connection, broadband is still pretty expensive here.  I am still on dialup also.  There's talk it will get cheaper this year
[02:43] <unholy> Mind you, on a p2 Id say the CD would be painfully slow.
[02:43] <Nomad411> yes thre is that
[02:43] <rosemary> Nomad411: it's quite slow
[02:43] <Nomad411> but once booted, leave it be :)
[02:43] <Nomad411> yes I guess so
[02:43] <Red_Herring> oooooooo, i just finished hl2!
[02:43] <Red_Herring> thats a good game!
[02:44] <Nomad411> lol, I still have to play it.. Waiting for it to go down enough in price.. I hate paying $60 when it falls to $10 a few years later
[02:44] <unholy> Nomad411: That reminds me of when we had to get up an hour before the alarm clock to heat the water.
[02:44] <rosemary> Nomad411: :-) don't think she'd be happy doing that.  Actually I haven't had any emails from her, so don't think she's actually using the machine I gave her
[02:44] <Nomad411> It was beautiful
[02:44] <unholy> :)
[02:44] <Nomad411> loking
[02:44] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: the game?
[02:44] <unholy> rosemary: what are they charging roughly for broadband? Just curious.
[02:44] <jung> anybody know if konversation comes with a transparency setting?
[02:45] <rosemary> unholy anything from about NZ$39 upwards I think, but will just check
[02:46] <blackflag> no,sorry, in the moment it is on testsystems in a lan
[02:46] <Nomad411> jung: maybe using QT configuration
[02:46] <unholy> rosemary: If thats per month, its cheaper than here.
[02:46] <Red_Herring> 4000kbs
[02:46] <Red_Herring> (.5MB a second)
[02:47] <rosemary> unholy: what about exchange rate?
[02:47] <rosemary> just checking my ISPs rates
[02:48] <unholy> Well, line rental for the phone is seperate anyway, but we pay about ?35 per month for a 2meg line. Thats about $70 for you.
[02:48] <_mars_> Hi I need to put some files from /usr/lib to other but i cant cause it says that i am not root. How to login as root and do it?
[02:48] <rosemary> unholy: I think maybe 39.95, but will make sure.  Set up fees as well
[02:48] <Nomad411> blackflag: Does thsi help?  http://freemars.org/howto/mailman.html   Look at the apache2 configuration
[02:49] <unholy> rosemary: I live with two more nerds so it works out at ?10 per month each, or 20 of your dollars. Its okay. I use it a LOT ;)
[02:50] <_mars_> ?
[02:50] <Nomad411> _mars_: !sudo
[02:50] <Nomad411> !sudo
[02:50] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[02:50] <unholy> jung: I dont think so , but kopete does as far as I know.
[02:50] <unholy> jung: kopete supports IRC too by the way.
[02:50] <jung> unholy thanks
[02:51] <Nomad411> unholy: does it do irc well though?
[02:51] <_mars_> Yes but what is a command to move catalog to other place?
[02:51] <Nomad411> I shoudl try it, curious to see irc in a messenging client
[02:51] <rosemary> unholy I am very tempted to get this winter, instaed of pay television
[02:51] <jung> i don't think so
[02:52] <unholy> Nomad411: Its handy as hell. Kopete also has a skype plugin, so that means I dont need xchat or skype cluttering up my screen (although you do need skype installed).
[02:52] <Nomad411> _mars_: what,s "catalog"?
[02:52] <unholy> jung: It was a feature in the last version, but it didn't work. I would assume they have it fixed by now.
[02:52] <Nomad411> really?  Well I'm tryign it then.. I can't use skype, I have a weird feedback loop where people hear themselves even though I use headphones
[02:52] <jung> unholy i can't find it if they do have it
[02:52] <unholy> jung: Thats assuming youre using kde3.5
[02:53] <jung> how do i find out what version of kde i'm using?
[02:53] <unholy> click the launcher (start button). Its on the side of the menu.
[02:53] <jung> all it says is kubuntu
[02:53] <_mars> ?
[02:53] <jung> 5.10
[02:54] <unholy> jung: right click on the panel and go "panel menu" -> "help" -> "about kde"
[02:54] <Nomad411> damn!! Kopete is another app that segment faults since I got 3.5.1
[02:54] <jung> 3.4.3
[02:54] <Nomad411> :((((
[02:54] <jung> should i upgrade it to 3.5?
[02:55] <rosemary> unholy is skype easy to install and get working?
[02:55] <jung> are there any advantages to upgrading?
[02:55] <unholy> jung: same as me so. I can show you where the setting is (although it doesnt work).
[02:55] <kernel_i386> hey
[02:55] <_mars> I need to put files from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib but i dont know what command schould i use in command line as a root
[02:55] <unholy> rosemary: its the easiest app I have ever installed or used :)
[02:55] <kernel_i386> how can I find out which styles I used last installation?
[02:55] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring: here?
[02:55] <hatake_kakashi> _mars: copy or move?
[02:55] <Nomad411> _mars_: sudo mv    ?
[02:56] <yobrobo> heres a command to set your root password      sudo passwd root
[02:56] <kernel_i386> Nomad411: :D
[02:56] <unholy> jung: run kopete and go to the settings tab and select "configure kopete"
[02:56] <rosemary> unholy: what about the microphone etc heard that can be difficult to get going
[02:56] <Red_Herring> here
[02:56] <kernel_i386> how can I find out which styles / themes I used?
[02:56] <hatake_kakashi> anyone got samba sharing ntfs partition?
[02:56] <kernel_i386> coz I dunno which I installed last time..
[02:56] <unholy> rosemary: you can buy an "official" headset, but I just use headphones. Thatway you dont get feed back through whatever microphone you use.
[02:56] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: look under systemsettings --> apperence --> themes
[02:56] <jung> unholy ok im there
[02:57] <unholy> Youre typical cheap internet mic is fine.
[02:57] <unholy> jung: click on Appearance and the "chat window"
[02:57] <unholy> jung: see down the bottom?
[02:57] <kernel_i386> well.. and then? ... I don't have them "installed"!.. and I don't know the name of it..!
[02:57] <rosemary> unholy: separate headphones and mic?  I did buy a combination set but my son comandeered it :-)
[02:57] <jung> yes i see it
[02:57] <kernel_i386> so how can I find out which one I had .. I have a backup of my old home dir
[02:58] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[02:58] <Red_Herring> wierd
[02:58] <Red_Herring> i went to kde control center
[02:58] <Red_Herring> and appearance and themes
[02:58] <unholy> rosemary: hehe. Well, I use a laptop. The mic is builtin, and sometimes I connect to PC speakers. But I think the problems people are having is actually feedback. Which is a sound thing.
[02:58] <Red_Herring> and theme manager
[02:58] <Red_Herring> and i can instlal themes
[02:59] <unholy> rosemary: I highly reccomend skype. Especially since you can use it through kopete.
[02:59] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring - I know - but if you forgot "which" theme you had installed before.. it's not that easy :)
[02:59] <mars_> hatake_kakashi: copy
[02:59] <Red_Herring> true
[02:59] <yobrobo> _mars, here's a command to set your root password      sudo passwd root
[02:59] <Nomad411> skype is excellent
[02:59] <jung> are any of you running any themes for KDE?
[02:59] <Red_Herring> i really like baghira
[02:59] <Red_Herring> its OSX
[02:59] <unholy> rosemary: mind you, I think for conversations you really need a better connection than dialup.
[02:59] <Red_Herring> but its a memory hog
[03:00] <kernel_i386> ah.. I think I got it..
[03:00] <Nomad411> yobrobo: I think it's not recommended to use root directly
[03:00] <hatake_kakashi> mars_: sudo cp -Rv /usr/local/lib /usr/lib
[03:00] <kernel_i386> mine is called System++
[03:00] <Nomad411> yup, baghira here too
[03:00] <kernel_i386> System++ rulez
[03:01] <Nomad411> System++ is a theme?
[03:01] <kernel_i386> and which font are you using ?
[03:01] <yobrobo> yes I tend to be more direct
[03:01] <kernel_i386> dunno Nomad411 ... it's window decoration ..
[03:01] <rosemary> unholy: yes - just need others to set it up too
[03:01] <rosemary> unholy: my ISP $43.95/month 3Gb or 49.95 for 6 Gb
[03:01] <Red_Herring> wow, baghira is a memory hogging bastard child
[03:01] <unholy> Thats true. I have a friend doing an internship in France so I can talk to him for hours now for nothing :)
[03:02] <kernel_i386> rosemary: your isp sucks
[03:02] <kernel_i386> yes Red_Herring .. I expierenced that
[03:02] <Nomad411> Red_Herring: If yuo knwo anythign that looks as nice and uses less memory, I'll want to hear
[03:02] <_mars_> When i use cp it says that it mises firdt location
[03:02] <kernel_i386> after the switch to system++ my system was like 20% faster :D
[03:02] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: im on it
[03:03] <Nomad411> kernel_i386: can't find system++   any links?
[03:03] <kernel_i386> hmm..
[03:03] <kernel_i386> it's here :D
[03:03] <kernel_i386> haven't found it on google.. neither
[03:03] <rosemary> kernel_i386: broadband is still expensive here in NZ
[03:03] <unholy> rosemary: your ISP charges less than they do here. Thats just over ?20 per month for a 3 meg line.
[03:03] <kernel_i386> NZ?
[03:03] <kernel_i386> new zealand
[03:04] <rosemary> there's set up costs also
[03:04] <rosemary> and modem
[03:04] <unholy> oh. Yeah, most of them dont charge for those anymore.
[03:05] <unholy> You can opt to install yourself here, then theres no charge. Installation just means connection the router/modem to the phone line.
[03:05] <kernel_i386> has nobody else "system++" in appearance - window decoration manager?
[03:06] <rosemary> my ISP does but looking at some other options now - slow because doing the xububtu-desktop install on same line
[03:07] <unholy> ouch!
[03:07] <rosemary> I've heard that there's another company ofering cheaper braodband but not sure which one
[03:08] <rosemary> unholy talks about doing something to the phone line, and then need splitters on every telephone jack, but they are not expensive
[03:10] <unholy> rosemary: okay, it must be different there. Here its like connecting an answering machine between youre phoneline and telephone.
[03:10] <unholy> Oh, sorry!
[03:10] <unholy> splitters! :)
[03:10] <Nomad411> kernel: I don't
[03:11] <unholy> rosemary: the splitter is to stop the phone interfering with the broadband (or vice versa).
[03:12] <unholy> It basically like those adapters that let you plug two sets of plugs into the one socket.
[03:13] <rosemary> unholy it may be that I can do it myself, sometimes the companies have these offers but don't mention the DIY option
[03:14] <apappu> Hello All
[03:14] <Nomad411> hey!
[03:14] <apappu> I was trying to compile qt 3 when I am getting this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu
[03:14] <apappu> any help
[03:15] <unholy> rosemary: I promise you can do it :)
[03:15] <apappu> how
[03:16] <Nomad411> apappu: dunno
[03:16] <Nomad411> :)
[03:16] <unholy> rosemary: theres a blurb on it here http://www.filesaveas.com/broadband.html
[03:16] <apappu> can any one helo me with tihs error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu
[03:17] <unholy> rosemary: no use to you now really , but it might give you an idea of how simple it is.
[03:18] <rosemary> unholy okay will bookmark and read
[03:19] <rosemary> unholy what sorts of things do I need to look for when choosing.  Have heard there is some pitfalls regarding the amounts
[03:19] <Nomad411> apappu: Found this..
[03:19] <Nomad411> I just checked out from cvs and had the same problem, even when compiling the main modules (I am running SuSE 9.3). The library libXmu.a is located in /usr/X11R6/lib. There is probably an elegant way to add this to the library paths in the make file configuration, but I solved it by making a link to /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.a in /usr/lib.
[03:19] <Nomad411> at http://www.jahshaka.org/index.php?option=com_forum&Itemid=45&page=viewtopic&t=367&sid=4bd5978987953b6db5d2942ba4265bed
[03:19] <unholy> amounts of what rosemary?
[03:20] <Nomad411> apappu: read the page for which I sent a link, there may be more to be done
[03:20] <unholy> rosemary: you mean money-wise or bandwidth?
[03:21] <camo> hehe.. im using ubuntu, but i installed KDE.. is that the same thing?
[03:21] <BOZZY> Just a quick question...  If you have an already existing linux distro, in my case it's OpenSuse, is it possible to install Kubuntu over OpenSuse and still have my Windows XP working, with a lilo boot screen also available?
[03:22] <unholy> BOZZY: And overwrite the opensuse? Sure its easy. Just use the same partitions when installing the new one. Double check on the winXP though.
[03:23] <rosemary> unholy: both - the likely amount of bandwidth I'd need
[03:23] <BOZZY> thanks unholy... just worried about the XP though since my pops uses it :)
[03:23] <unholy> rosemary, you only need 1MB.
[03:24] <unholy> rosemary: That was all we had in IRE for a year or so. They upgraded the lines to 2MB, and I swear, no one noticed the difference.
[03:24] <unholy> rosemary: unless you want to download movies or something.
[03:25] <rosemary> unholy: here's a better offer http://www.orcon.net.nz/products/bitstream/residential
[03:27] <unholy> rosemary: thats okay. But you have to buy all the hardware youreself. Theyre probably cheap though.
[03:27] <unholy> rosemary: thats not too bad, but dont stop looking yet.
[03:28] <rosemary> unholy: free modem offer at present, but still the line enabling fee
[03:30] <rosemary> unholy: actually no that's free also at present - hmmm
[03:31] <unholy> rosemary: Here, when I call a new ISP, they tell me on the phone if DSL is enabled in my area. For example, if your neighbour has it, then you probably have it. DSL is just a modification to the regular phone line to make broadband possible.
[03:31] <unholy> rosemary: thats not bad then.
[03:31] <rosemary> unholy: yes they're waiving set up fees
[03:31] <rosemary> that's a bit of a trick then isn't it?
[03:33] <unholy> rosemary: It seems that way. I might not be bang on there, but I know that DSL is enabled at your local exchange that server your area, not your house specifically.
[03:34] <unholy> *server - serves.
[03:35] <rosemary> unholy: seems like a way of keeping tabs to make more money, and then use it to hook customers when offering it for free
[03:36] <rosemary> I am extremely tempted - means changing email address again though
[03:36] <Red_Herring> checking out themes, hafta log off
[03:36] <unholy> rosemary: also check the contract. I'm in with these guys for a year regardless.
[03:36] <Nomad411> get a fixed email address somewhere, then redirect to whatever ISp you use, that's what I,ve been doin gfor yers
[03:36] <Nomad411> years
[03:36] <unholy> rosemary: It shouldnt mean changing address, unless your email was with your last ISP.
[03:37] <unholy> or just use an email client to work with a fixed address. Forget the ISP.
[03:39] <Nomad411> I need a module to be loaded at boot, where do I put it?  I can't find an rc.local by the way, is it used ?
[03:39] <rosemary> sounds a bit complicated to me :-) to use email client and fixed address
[03:39] <debianlogger> anyone not speaking english or german around?
[03:40] <unholy> rosemary: hehe, if you want a gmail invite ill send you one. Its dead easy to point kmail to it. You can change ISPs and Distros to your hearts content then :)
[03:41] <Nomad411> debianlogger: How would they understand your english?
[03:41] <Nomad411> :)
[03:41] <debianlogger> ah, that's a point ;-)
[03:42] <Nomad411> debianlogger: are you looking for a spceific language to speak with?
[03:43] <rosemary> unholy: I have gmail already, but use Thunderbird
[03:43] <debianlogger> br or ca or cy or da or es or et or eu or fr or hi or hu or is or it o ja or nb or nl............
[03:43] <mars> Hi what is a command to move file from one place to another?
[03:43] <Nomad411> lol, ok
[03:43] <mars> ?
[03:44] <Nomad411> I'm ca-fr
[03:44] <unholy> rosemary: And Thunderbird works with your gmail okay?
[03:44] <unholy> mars: mv
[03:44] <mars> My thunderbird works great with gmail
[03:45] <rosemary> unholy: no I simply use firefox for that
[03:45] <rosemary> most of my email is my ISP one
[03:45] <unholy> rosemary: You'll never look back once you set it up. :) Its really easy too.
[03:46] <unholy> rosemary: didnt you write a few help articles for Mandrake a few years ago? Just occurred to me there.
[03:47] <debianlogger> already solved the problem
[03:47] <rosemary> doing this install is proof that I need broadband!
[03:47] <kernel_i386> somebody here who uses vsftpd?
[03:48] <jung> is there any way to disable the kde panel?
[03:48] <unholy> jung: as in not have it at all?
[03:49] <jung> yea or hide it
[03:49] <jung> i downloaded some plastic taskbar for superkaramba
[03:49] <unholy> jung: you can hide it easily by right clicking and configureing it.
[03:49] <jung> unholy k, thanks i'll try that
[03:49] <unholy> jung: np
[03:51] <rosemary> unholy no must have been someone else - I did add some stuff to the twiki about my camera or something though
[03:52] <unholy> rosemary: maybe that was it.
[03:52] <Nomad411> kde panel:  kicker?
[03:52] <Red_Herring> yup
[03:52] <Red_Herring> to restart it: killall kicker, kicker
[03:52] <rosemary> unholy probably that or card reader
[03:53] <Nomad411> yes, just hide it. If it's liek ksmoothdock, if you kill kicker, you look your menu in teh dock as well
[03:53] <kernel_i386> Nomad411: are you using vsftpd?
[03:53] <Nomad411> How do i have a module be loaded at boot (kqmenu), do I add it to /etc/modules.conf?
[03:53] <Red_Herring> i like the crystal window boarder
[03:53] <Nomad411> kernel_i386:  Nope, proftpd
[03:53] <Nomad411> !module
[03:53] <ubotu> Nomad411: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:53] <Nomad411> !modules
[03:53] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[03:53] <unholy> rosemary: It was a fuji wasnt it :)
[03:53] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring: you?
[03:53] <Nomad411> !modules.conf
[03:53] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[03:54] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: what
[03:54] <kernel_i386> vsftpd
[03:54] <Red_Herring> hm, never tried it
[03:54] <Nomad411> arggg.. found it.. The queivalent of rc.local
[03:54] <Red_Herring> i always used proftp
[03:54] <Red_Herring> pftpd
[03:54] <mars> I have wine and wine tools and i have ragnarok online on hd. How to run it?
[03:55] <kernel_i386> pftpd is better than vsftpd?
[03:55] <rosemary> unholy no sony camera and I can't remember the card reader - don't actually the reader anyway :-)
[03:55] <unholy> rosemary: hehe, okay. I dont know how I saw it so.
[03:56] <Nomad411> well good nigth all, it was fun ;0
[03:56] <rosemary> unholy think I'm going to do the broadband thing - only another $15/month
[03:56] <zblach> weird thing. I have a cd that i am unable to mount.
[03:57] <zblach> i can get it in windows/
[03:57] <zblach> why not here?
[03:57] <zblach> or, is there a work around/
[03:58] <unholy> rosemary: I think its well worth it. the installation is simple in my experience (Ive been with 3 ISPs - I know, Im a slut).
[03:58] <_ice> how the hell do you un mount in ubuntu ?
[03:58] <_ice> I tried un-mount
[03:58] <_ice> un_mount
[03:58] <_ice> unmount
[03:58] <_ice> nothing works
[03:59] <_ice> anyone around
[03:59] <unholy> rosemary: the only thing to do is check out the actual ISP, make sure theyre not assholes. There are a few here. when things go wrong they become more distant.
[03:59] <Red_Herring> _ice: umount
[04:00] <_ice> ahh
[04:00] <_ice> ok
[04:00] <_ice> thx
[04:00] <Red_Herring> :-D
[04:01] <_ice> getting premission errors with k3b
[04:01] <Red_Herring> sudo
[04:01] <_ice> and I can't k3bsetup2 to work
[04:01] <Red_Herring> or kdesu
[04:01] <_ice> says none of my cdroms are mounted ?
[04:02] <_ice> how can i fix this with k3b
[04:02] <Red_Herring> umount /dev/cdrom?
[04:02] <rosemary> unholy this ISP won the Netguide award last year
[04:03] <unholy> rosemary: We have a forum in ireland called boards.ie. Theres a comms/broadband section where everyone rated the different companies.
[04:03] <unholy> rosemary: Thats pretty auspicious :)
[04:04] <_ice> umount: /dev/scd0 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[04:04] <rosemary> I know of another ISP which had some bad press on the LUG mailing list
[04:04] <_ice> and my dvd burner is sg0
[04:05] <unholy> rosemary: I dont think those guys are wise to the mailing list / forum thing. They can be blacklisted in a matter of days :)
[04:06] <_ice> and everytime  I use the dvdrom drive my only drive ... konquerer comes up with media:cdrom0 not connected ?
[04:06] <Red_Herring> what do i do with .ktheme files?
[04:06] <Red_Herring> !ktheme
[04:06] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:06] <Red_Herring> !.ktheme
[04:06] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:07] <zblach> lolol!
[04:07] <Red_Herring> dammit
[04:08] <Red_Herring> seriously, what do i do with .ktheme files?
[04:09] <rosemary> unholy just wondering if there will be a problem with the adsl modem.  It is usb - waiting for the information page to load
[04:10] <unholy> rosemary: its usb but it should have an ethernet connection also.
[04:11] <unholy> Usb usually means ethernet and usb, whereas ethernet means jsut ethernet.
[04:11] <rosemary> unholy it has an ehternet connection - does that mean I can connect to ethernet switch?
[04:11] <rosemary> :-) crossed messages
[04:12] <rosemary> unholy could you check this for me please http://dynalink.co.nz/modemsadsl_cur.htm?prod=RTA1320
[04:12] <Red_Herring> anyone, what do i do with .ktheme?
[04:12] <rosemary> so I would plug it into the Uplink port?
[04:13] <unholy> Sure Ill check it. If it has ethernet, then you connect your network card to it with an ethernet cable. The you connect the modem to your phone line vi the filter.
[04:16] <unholy> rosemary: That seems quite good.
[04:17] <rosemary> unholy okay that's using the cables with the larger connectors on it via the three box port
[04:17] <rosemary> unholy that's the free modem offer so will go with that.  Can use the ethernet port
[04:18] <unholy> thats perfect.
[04:18] <unholy> I uninstalled the gimp earlier...I was gonna draw a picture.
[04:19] <rosemary> gimp seems to need a lot of learning
[04:20] <unholy> You cant just draw a circle. Thats the big shock.
[04:20] <unholy> Theres a free book on it actually. Its very good.
[04:20] <unholy> http://manual.gimp.org/en/
[04:21] <unholy> I'm actually confusing that with the book on blender, but its still good.
[04:25] <unholy> Goodnight folks. Its after 3am here so I'm going to sleep :)
[04:31] <rosemary> night unholy
[04:31] <humboldt> I want to downgrade a lib and everything that depends on it!
[04:31] <humboldt> apt wants to deinstall all and everything instead
[04:31] <humboldt> How to convince it otherwise?
[04:33] <kernel_i386> could anybody help me with vsftpd?
[04:33] <kernel_i386> it won't run ..
[04:33] <kernel_i386> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/539522
[04:33] <kernel_i386> that's the config..
[04:33] <kernel_i386> do I have to do something with "Iptables"?
[04:37] <pr1r> hey does anyone know a program similar to acid or fruity loops... for linux
[04:37] <jung> anybody know how to put the time prompt in eterm?
[04:45] <restagner> anybody have any luck printing from WindowsXP to a Linux box using CUPS?
[04:50] <jonathon> Hello, I had a gcc error and tried to remove gcc to reinstall it; I stupidly did not check the preview in adept, and it went ahead and uninstalled all sorts of packages
[04:50] <jonathon> is there any way i can install all default kubuntu packages?
[04:50] <jung> reinstall gcc?
[04:50] <jonathon> reinstall ALL default kubuntu packages
[04:50] <jonathon> i got gcc reinstalled
[04:51] <jung> sorry don't know
[04:51] <jonathon> i think my only option may be to reinstall the whole os :(
[04:51] <jung> probably
[04:51] <jonathon> blast
[04:53] <jonathon> well ... be back in an hour or so :(
[04:53] <jung> gl
[05:26] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the System, Trash and Home icons on the desktop like stock kde?
[05:30] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the System, Trash and Home icons on the desktop like stock kde?
[05:40] <OddAbe19> anyone alive?
[05:51] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the System, Trash and Home icons on the desktop like stock kde?
[05:59] <jose> firefox closes when i enter into a page that has flash animations, although i suposedly installed the flash plugin. can anyone help me?
[06:05] <yonkeltron> will dapper drake have kde 3.5 in it?
[06:22] <mike> hey
[06:22] <mike> I'm having problems running GUI programs as root
[06:23] <mike> the popup dialog (kdesu) doesn't accept my pass, although  I can use 'su' just fine
[06:25] <_vandal> your root pass is the same pass as your user you created during install
[06:26] <_vandal> mike: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo?highlight=%28root%29
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> and if you enabled root (or ran automatix) you might have broken the gui tools, which don't like a root user
[06:31] <mike> i did the expert install and i made a root pass on install
[06:31] <_vandal> did you also make a user?
[06:31] <mike> yes
[06:31] <_vandal> cause i bet it wants that password
[06:31] <_vandal> in the GUI
[06:31] <mike> tried
[06:31] <_vandal> well there are instructions on there
[06:31] <_vandal> to put it back
[06:31] <_vandal> although i enabled my root user
[06:31] <_vandal> but left the gui to take my users password
[06:31] <_vandal> and all works well
[06:34] <mike> i'm running a seperate X session as root and using adept that way
[06:35] <mike> i'll mess with it all later
[06:35] <rosemary> can you set a root password after install is finsihed?
[06:35] <_vandal> yes
[06:35] <_vandal> scroll up for my link to the wiki
[06:37] <rosemary> okay - I have that link bookmarked
[06:41] <_vandal> coo
[06:43] <hatake_kakashi> anyone know what's gam_server ?
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hatake_kakashi: it's a file monitoring daemon
[06:44] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: for monitoring changes to files?
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[06:45] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: hmm ok, thanks
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it not letting go of files again?
[06:48] <Arcanimus> :\
[06:48] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: nfi, its laggy, using 10% of cpu.. I noticed that a little more often when I tried to edit a file with vim through konsole.. and that's after using kpersonalizer
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hatake_kakashi: just kill it and it should restart and be good again'
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, did for me
[06:49] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: lol, I have killed it a couple of times already, I've even sent the killall command for gam_server and yet it still uses 10%.. hmm
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. it should dies and restart, but behave. if it doesnt id look at it further
[06:51] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah.. that's what I'm thinking of doing after I have done prelink
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> jj
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> mm
[06:51] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: andyway thanks for the info, I'll try and look into more detail later
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> np. gl
[06:53] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: ta, will need it :) and btw.. do you happen to know how to set the computer on boot to automatically get an ip address? I mean I chose the setup the network later, but I couldn't get around doing so, unless if I start hacking away at those init.d scripts, I have no other way, do you happen to have clues?
[06:53] <nomasteryoda|w> so is anyone having good luck running kubuntu dapper-drake?
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hatake_kakashi: open up the network config file and add a line to do DHCP lookup
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure what gui tools KDE has to do it
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'll just grab those lines for you
[06:55] <hatake_kakashi> hmm network config file
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> auto eth0
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> iface eth0 inet DHCP
[06:55] <hatake_kakashi> ahh, ta
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> i had to look that up - i have been off computers way to long :/
[06:56] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: heh, well at least ya found it :)
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> new the file, not what to put in it ;)
[06:56] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: I was thinking of making my own script to automatically get it on bootup via dhclient eth0 or something
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. way to geek. just use the right file ;)
[06:57] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: well, sometimes its possible to bend your back just to get certain things like that to work :)
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:59] <hatake_kakashi> man, I still have lots of setting up and learning to do :)
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. we all do. you used any other distros? i asume yes, as you were thinking of hacking init...
[07:00] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, RH8 and SuSE Pro 8
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok :)
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> well ububuntu should be easy for you
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *ubuntu
[07:01] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: well, I don't mind the easiness but I'm really looking for some sort of flexibility, and I also prefer KDE over Gnome so maybe my next target could be debian
[07:02] <hatake_kakashi> probably dual boot kubuntu and debian? :)
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have Debian in a chroot
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just have to work out how to get it to xnest properly
[07:02] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have Kubuntu chrooted as well, same deal ;)
[07:02] <hatake_kakashi> you want to use the two different X?
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> not at this stage.
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> atm i just want to make a new workspace, and have Kubuntu/Debian running in a workspace in xnest
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> that would be so cool!
[07:03] <hatake_kakashi> ahh ok, was trying to figure out why you want to do xnest. The last time I was taught using it with xnest was to do xforwarding or something
[07:03] <hatake_kakashi> nice
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> i will work on multiple x sessions later (Kubuntu and ubuntu side by side), but it's not a priority atm
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> the only reason i wasnt to learn Kubuntu is that i do most of my helping in #Kubuntu and #Kubuntu-offtopic, not #ubuntu ;)
[07:06] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: ditto, but when I was introduced to #kubuntu-offtopic by Hentai^XP, I later on paid a visit to #ubuntu and I realised how much questions was flowing around
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh.
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm noticeing screwy netwoking stuff
[07:11] <hatake_kakashi> eh that would have been bad
[07:11] <trekkor> where do i find the newly available kde and why?
[07:11] <hatake_kakashi> I was almost close to that stage once, but I realised that I can avoid it
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hatake_kakashi: well I'm worried :(
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> trekkor: what?
[07:13] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: I can't imagine reinstalling constantly, it is not fun at all. I have done like 5 times already, mainly due to the changes in partitioning and switching boxes
[07:13] <trekkor> kameron: why do i find it somewhere else than in http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/ ?
[07:13] <trekkor> Kamping_Kaiser: why do i find it somewhere else than in http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/ ?
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> hatake_kakashi: i havent reinstalled for ages (it's not something i do usualy), but not sure how to try and clean up
[07:14] <trekkor> kameron: sorry. that was not meant for you (imo)
[07:14] <kameron> trekkor, no prob bob
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* i don't know about finding KDE
[07:14] <trekkor> kameron :)
[07:15] <hatake_kakashi> I was also annoyed at the fact that I downloaded a fair bit of deb packages, when it comes to reinstalling, I backed them up and after reinstalling, I came to realise that I missed the index files for those deb or whatever they are called, a small database
[07:15] <hatake_kakashi> trekkor: what do you mean you find it somewhere else than in (url)?
[07:16] <trekkor> hatake_kakashi: ok, i will begin with this: where do i find the newly available kde 3.5* packages?
[07:17] <hatake_kakashi> !kde3.5.1
[07:17] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, hatake_kakashi
[07:17] <hatake_kakashi> !kde3.5
[07:17] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[07:17] <hatake_kakashi> trekkor: there's info on the web
[07:17] <trekkor> hatake_kakashi: thanks
[07:17] <hatake_kakashi> err kubuntu web
[07:17] <hatake_kakashi> trekkor: np
[07:20] <trekkor> hatake_kakashi: "Page last modified 15:13 Mon 28 November 2005" (hehe, i guess)
[07:21] <hatake_kakashi> trekkor: o.O
[07:23] <hatake_kakashi> just a question of curiousity, anyone here is running a PIII (Coppermine) @1.0GHz ?
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> not me :)
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee :) wb
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser ty
[07:24] <Hobbsee> like the pics
[07:24] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: d*mn :)
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) good oh Hobbsee
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hatake_kakashi:  ;)
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant have everythjig
[07:25] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: I know but oh well, worth the try to ask :)
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: i wanted to show someone else, so i put them up on the web, i should have just done that :)
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:26] <Hobbsee> true
[07:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hatake_kakashi: i think pentium 3 is the only x86 i don't have ;/
[07:28] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: heh, I was curious about the cpu threshold temp, right now, as of writing, it is still doing that prelink, doing 100% load and the temp almost got around 58 degrees celsius
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> when it gets to about 60-70, start to worry :)
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> not a problem untill then
[07:29] <Hobbsee> hehe @ madrush's exit message...
[07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 er...
[07:32] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: d*mn, well, I'll have to wait and see, if not, I'll try a vanilla kernel.. and if that doesn't work, I'm going through the gung-ho style of gentoo :)
[07:32] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: ahh ok
[07:32] <Hobbsee> what are you trying to do, anyway?
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:33] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: like to keep my system running a little faster if at all possible I know it sounds stupid, but I reckon it'd worth it, most of the time my computer is sitting there idling anyway heh :)
[07:33] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[07:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: if i need a deb built, could i sweet talk  you into doing for me?
[07:34] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[07:34] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: what kinda deb?  !checkinstall
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> a metapackage probably. might have some data itself (or another package with the extra data)
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about checkinstall
[07:35] <Hobbsee> into repos, or what?
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ffs ubotu
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: no, just for non repo use
[07:36] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[07:36] <Hobbsee> should be ok, if you build the source...
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might not need to do it, but I'm making sure i can find people to help/do it ;)
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[07:38] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: like farming out workload to other people's computers? :D
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hatake_kakashi: more or less ;)
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and run my desktop inside the cluster
[07:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:42] <hatake_kakashi> Kamping_Kaiser: you can, having 16x xboxes, its feasable ;)
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i don't have any xboxes ;)
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i do have lots of computers... ask Hobbsee!
[07:45] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:46] <MadRush> hey quick question, does kubuntu normally ask you for a root password when installing? i thought it only asks you for a password for your user that you create
[07:46] <_vandal> !sudo
[07:46] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:46] <sampan> madrush  you thought correctly.
[07:47] <MadRush> uh then i have an interesting problem
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:47] <MadRush> it did indeed ask me for a root password
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have a root password?
[07:47] <MadRush> yep
[07:47] <_vandal> when?
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> did yourun the expert install?
[07:47] <sampan> did you do the expert install?
[07:47] <_vandal> did you do expert install?
[07:47] <_vandal> yeah..
[07:47] <MadRush> er yes
[07:47] <sampan> lol
[07:48] <MadRush> is that a normal circumstance of expert install?
[07:48] <_vandal> yes
[07:48] <MadRush> oh alright
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you don't put in a password it locks it for you
[07:49] <MadRush> heh.. not such a good thing to do OS installs after a long day at work
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends on yhour work
[07:50] <MadRush> its not particularly stressful work, just a particularly obnoxious co-worker. this one somehow managed to keep me from having a single consistent train of thought all day
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, score :/
[07:52] <MadRush> cedega == that commercialized wine thing, right?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> now it's gone!
[07:53] <MadRush> how is it, anyway
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> MadRush: so so. (well, good, if your willing to pay for it)
[07:53] <MadRush> i wasnt aware of a non-paying version
[07:54] <MadRush> i dont know if this is another common one, or a consequence of expert install, but you ever have a problem with that use su, such as adept (namely: Su returned with an error)
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think if you have a root user the gui tools in dke don't work rigth (i know they don't in gnome)
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> *however*
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> other people have said they had no issues, so ijm wondering if it's to do with the user+root having the same password
[07:57] <MadRush> mine have different passwords
[07:57] <MadRush> i mistakenly decided upon an extrememly long one for root...
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's anoying. lol
[07:58] <MadRush> yeah
[07:58] <MadRush> i can su in commandline ok with my long root pw
[07:58] <sampan> madrush, it's breezy right? not dapper?  is it a fresh install?  or have you updated?  only time i got those su errors was in the first couple of days, when there were some admin mode/gui su bugs (fixed first week after release)
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> check your sudoers file
[07:58] <MadRush> breezy-fresh-haven't updated
[07:59] <sampan> i'd update right away -- i suspect that will fix it (after you restart kde) -- that first update was critical for kdebase
[08:00] <MadRush> will do
[08:00] <MadRush> funny thats why i was going to adept in the first place
[08:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> sampan: i remember that now, media and the sudo tools were broken or something?
[08:00] <sampan> i couldn't even change the clock/timezone without that update -- i'd get all sorts of errors and "conversation with su failed", etc.
[08:00] <MadRush> really?
[08:01] <MadRush> ive used the x86_32 version fo breezy with no issue on other systems
[08:01] <MadRush> i now have a x86_64
[08:01] <sampan> lol yeah -- i put in the wrong timezone and went to change it -- *thunk*  had to do some manual restart of the hwclock, but then all my GUI sudo/kdesu were borked till the updte
[08:02] <MadRush> that takes the fun out of kubuntu heh
[08:02] <sampan> kamping_kaiser  yeah -- it was right at the beginning.  my konq /media/ is -still- busted though
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh o_0
[08:02] <MadRush> ive just started to use linux permanently and so far kubuntu just fits so much better than  other distros for me
[08:02] <sampan> if i manually type in /media/ at the location bar, it works.  but auto-mounting and opening /media/ of a usb device, no-go
[08:03] <MadRush> i havent actually tried regular debian, but at this point i dont see why, i dig kubuntu.
[08:03] <MadRush> you ever use a distrobution and cant figure out why they did this or that or ten other things that make little sence?
[08:04] <sampan> madrush  pretty much the same for me.  i tried a bunch of others, but kubuntu seemed best (i love apt, and the install is painless and the central repos are great -- plus the forums and irc -- it's a winning combo)
[08:05] <MadRush> i decided to give suse a shot because it has a kernel module for my funky southbridge, but i couldnt get the gui tools to work properly (namely sax2, couldnt get my screen to do more than 800x600)
[08:10] <MadRush> what user(s) should sudoers usually have for a normal (non-expert)install of kubuntu
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> just you
[08:11] <MadRush> oh
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> uid 1000
[08:11] <MadRush> mine's got root.
[08:11] <MadRush> only root, actually
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it have %admin/?
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> *?
[08:12] <MadRush>  nope
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. you can either add an admin line, then add users to the admin group, oradd users individualy
[08:17] <sampan> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75324.html  <-- madrush
[08:18] <sampan> oops missed him
[08:18] <sampan> according to that thread, in the expert install the admin group isn't even created
[08:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh ok.
[08:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i better remember that :/
[08:20] <sampan> for me, google > memory
[08:20] <sampan> ;x
[08:20] <sampan> slower, but more likely to be correct
[08:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[08:21] <sampan> lol
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i got it the night google shouted drinks for everyone at the conf
[08:22] <sampan> aiyo.  drinks on google?  when are they launching that internet service?
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. it was part of linux.conf.au
[08:36] <shreevatsa> how do I play midi files?
[08:45] <mae> woo hoo
[08:53] <scorpion007> Is there anything that can cause (k)ubuntu to not power off?
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> power off?
[08:54] <scorpion007> It restarts fine, but stops saying: "powering down" and I have to press the switch to cut power
[08:54] <scorpion007> but when shutting down*
[08:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> and it's a atx compatible box?
[08:55] <scorpion007> it never used to do it before..but started happening maybe a few days ago
[08:55] <scorpion007> a64
[08:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps after you ran a dist-upgrade ?
[08:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant realy help fix the problem though :(
[08:57] <scorpion007> The only major changes I did was installing the nforce drivers... :/
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[08:57] <scorpion007> I modified the halt script...but only adding a few lines of code...
[08:58] <scorpion007> I tried commenting the lines out though, and no difference :(
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[08:59] <scorpion007> all I installed was network and sound..why did it have to break? :(
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> dunno :( havent seen the problem before
[09:01] <scorpion007> where can I check the shutdown messages? is there a log somewhere?
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think so, but i don't know where
[09:07] <kameron> scorpion007, check /var/log
[09:41] <trekkor> how do i force mplayer show fractions of seconds after hh:mm:ss?
[09:49] <sean_micken> does the freetype package in kubuntu use the bytecode interpreter?
[11:14] <g33k> hi
[11:14] <g33k> got some problems with my Internetconnection, can anyone help me ??
[11:21] <seven_of_nine> hi! is there a way to boot up without starting the x server
[11:37] <LiteHedd1d> i need help installing snort. anyone here familiar with getting snort running on ubuntu?
[11:37] <LiteHedd1d> can i just install snort and acid from apt?
[11:45] <Skrot> Hi. Any reasons why eth0 does not get DHCP-info during boot? /etc/network/interfaces says "iface eth0 inet dhcp". Dapper btw. :>
[11:47] <bimberi> Skrot: does that file also have the line 'auto eth0' in it - if not give that a try
[11:48] <Skrot> That's probably it. Thanks ;)
[11:48] <bimberi> Skrot: np :)
[11:49] <paolo> .....
[11:50] <uhm> a
[11:50] <killBill> okey
[11:57] <seven_of_nine> is it possible to make kubuntu boot without loading X? Ive messed with my xorg file and i just get a black screen
[11:58] <morrow> recovery mode
[11:58] <seven_of_nine> does'nt work; same problem there
[11:58] <morrow> than its not an X problem :)
[11:59] <seven_of_nine> well it wasnt like that before i edited the xorg file and the problem occurs when trying to start x
[11:59] <morrow> try to edit the grub boot line (the one with the "kernel " infront) and remove any words like splash and/or vga=...
[12:00] <seven_of_nine> can i do that from the grub bootloader?
[12:00] <Nightmare> hi. is somebody here who can speak german?
[12:03] <morrow> seven_of_nine: yes.. select the recovery mode and than press "e" like edit
[12:03] <morrow> after that select the kernel line and press "e" again... remove the vga= and splash words and press enter and after that "b" for boot
[12:03] <Nightmare> kann mir jemand helfen? hab kubuntu installiert. jetzt will ich booten. klappt noch. aber wenn der dann ins kde wechseln will, macht er einfach garnix mehr. kann nur noch die maus bewegen. ist dann nur noch ein grauer bildschirm
[12:04] <morrow> Nightmare: english in here
[12:04] <Nightmare> k
[12:04] <morrow> look for german channel via http://wiki.kubuntu.org/InternetRelayChat
[12:04] <paolo> hello
[12:04] <Nightmare> thanks
[12:05] <seven_of_nine> morrow thank you i did it now. this is great !
[12:05] <paolo> qualkuno parla italiano?
[12:05] <killBill> evrybody spack english?
[12:06] <richard1> yes
[12:06] <killBill> o shit
[12:06] <richard1> I speaks english
[12:06] <richard1> why?
[12:06] <killBill> well i speack english
[12:06] <killBill> no
[12:07] <killBill> i speak italian
[12:07] <richard1> is my first time using IRC, this is a chat?
[12:08] <killBill> like me.. is my first time
[12:08] <richard1> jejeje
[12:08] <killBill> well i think this is a informatik chat
[12:09] <richard1> this channel is for kubutu users?
[12:09] <killBill> dai non  possibile... nessuno italiano?
[12:10] <Hobbsee_away> !it
[12:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:10] <killBill> yes
[12:10] <killBill> thanks
[12:13] <fatejudger> does anyone have an ATI card working on Dapper using the fglrx drivers?
[12:44] <shoreflyer> hi there, anyone know why enable interface in network settings doesn't work for my wireless?
[12:45] <shoreflyer> and, there seems to be 2 places to do the configruation
[12:45] <shoreflyer> <-- very confused windows user
[12:45] <DocTomoe> shoreflyer: youll most certainly need ndiswrapper
[12:45] <fatejudger> I doubt that
[12:45] <fatejudger> madwifi works great
[12:46] <fatejudger> no need to go through all the trouble of setting up ndiswrapper
[12:46] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: hm, never heard of this one
[12:46] <shoreflyer> kwifimanager tells me my wireless works nicely
[12:46] <fatejudger> DocTomoe: it's the default
[12:46] <DocTomoe> fatejudger: since when?
[12:46] <shoreflyer> the only problem is setting up the wireless wep and where
[12:46] <fatejudger> shoreflyer: you probably didn't get an IP addresss
[12:46] <fatejudger> *address
[12:46] <shoreflyer> exactly
[12:47] <fatejudger> shoreflyer: WEP should be around there somewhere if you really want to have it
[12:47] <shoreflyer> but there is no prompting for the correct key or even an error message
[12:47] <DocTomoe> shoreflyer: if you want an alphanumerical WEP entered, remember not to gibt "password", but "s:password"
[12:47] <fatejudger> shoreflyer: doesn't really do you much good anyway
[12:47] <fatejudger> shoreflyer: if you want to get an IP address using DHCP
[12:47] <DocTomoe> else it tries to use your password as hexadecimal code
[12:47] <fatejudger> shoreflyer: use the command "sudo dhclient ath0"
[12:47] <fatejudger> shoreflyer: if you use the madwifi drivers
[12:48] <fatejudger> I don't know what all the fuss is about with wireless security
[12:48] <shoreflyer> coming back to my question of why there are 2 places in kde controll center to configure this?
[12:49] <shoreflyer> and enabling my wireless does nothing eventhough it should show up as enabled
[12:52] <shoreflyer> what config tool can i use that actually gives me some feedback that makes sense??
[12:56] <shoreflyer> does anyone have a clue? i had ubuntu running and it only had one config too and that worked for my laptop...
[12:57] <shoreflyer> my collegues at work told me to go with gentoo, maybe i should have listened to them...
[01:07] <alessandro> There is a responsity for Dapper Drake?
[01:07] <alessandro> I found only the "cd" version
[01:08] <alessandro> \join #ubuntu
[01:10] <\merry> hi all
[01:29] <moshe> does anyone here use the mplayer plugin for mozilla?
[01:30] <robotgeek> moshe: yeah, i use it
[01:31] <moshe> are you able to get video to display fullscreen?
[01:32] <rdale> I'm running kubuntu on an apple ibook and the default fonts are much too large. But if I reduce them all by 2 pts, they look really jagged.
[01:33] <robotgeek> moshe: yes, you need to edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and set zoom = yes, i think
[01:33] <moshe> hmmm
[01:33] <moshe> ok
[01:34] <moshe> perfect
[01:34] <moshe> thank you very much
[01:34] <robotgeek> moshe: cool
[01:36] <moshe> finally, it works.
[01:36] <moshe> I haven't had that working the way I wanted it since I installed ubuntu last June
[01:56] <Limulus> oops; sorry ^^;
[01:56] <Limulus> I just wanted to copy the URL
[01:56] <robotgeek> hey Limulus
[01:56] <Limulus> hi :)
[01:57] <Limulus> I have a repository question
[01:57] <robotgeek> sure, ask away
[01:57] <rdale> If I install automake on kubuntu, it installs automake 1.4-p6 which is ancient
[01:57] <Limulus> I posted it on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=124734
[01:57] <Limulus> and on http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3102.15;topicseen
[01:58] <Limulus> basically I use Ubuntu with some KDE apps
[01:58] <Limulus> and so I have this repository in my sources.list:
[01:58] <Limulus> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/ breezy main
[01:58] <Limulus> But I can't install kdeedu
[01:58] <Limulus> on my i386 based machine
[01:58] <Limulus> because the i386 packages aren't available
[01:58] <Limulus> why is that?
[01:59] <Limulus> are those packages still in testing?
[01:59] <robotgeek> Limulus: i am not sure, let me check
[01:59] <Limulus> thanks
[02:00] <Borut> hello
[02:00] <Limulus> kde-latest right now resolves to kde351 BTW
[02:01] <robotgeek> Limulus: try apt-get -f install? or apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:02] <robotgeek> Limulus: i don't know on what it depends
[02:03] <Borut> Somewhere plug-in is libfastrack-gift, libares-gift??
[02:03] <Limulus> erm... ok, hopefully he will be back soon
[02:03] <Limulus> but the latter doesn't work
[02:04] <Limulus> (all it wants to do is install kstars-data and remove kstars)
[02:04] <Limulus> hi again ^_^
[02:04] <Limulus> I was just saying that it doesn't work
[02:04] <robotgeek> Limulus: sorry, my shell gave up on me
[02:04] <Limulus> because http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages doesn't have i386 packages for edutainment
[02:05] <robotgeek> Limulus: maybe try asking in #kubuntu-devel
[02:05] <Limulus> ah, thanks! :)
[02:05] <robotgeek> Limulus: one sec
[02:05] <robotgeek> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/pool-breezy/kdeedu/
[02:06] <Limulus> did you notice the lack of i386 packages?
[02:06] <Limulus> (e.g. for kstars)
[02:06] <paolo> hello
[02:07] <paolo> is there anybody that know how to install java on firefox?
[02:07] <Limulus> kstars-data is for all (which is why it shows up), but kstars is only avail for PPC and amd64
[02:07] <Limulus> paolo: I do (in Ubuntu, but it should be the same :)
[02:07] <paolo> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[02:07] <robotgeek> Limulus: hmm, ask in there. i for sure don't know the answer. Hobbsee you around
[02:07] <paolo> doesn't work
[02:07] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: yes?
[02:08] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell paolo about javadebs
[02:08] <paolo> i mean, it says: couldn't find package
[02:08] <Limulus> you need to use the appropriate repository :)
[02:08] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: can you help Limulus ? he's not able to find some 3.5.1 packages, and i  have no clue about those things
[02:08] <Limulus> PLF has it...
[02:09] <Limulus> add to your sources.list this:
[02:09] <Limulus> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[02:09] <Limulus> then do sudo apt-get update
[02:09] <Hobbsee> got no idae sorry
[02:09] <Limulus> and then you should be able to install the package :)
[02:10] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: is it safe to ask that question in -devel?
[02:10] <Limulus> hobsee: s'okay; I will ask in the devel chat :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i'd say so, not sure if Riddell is around though
[02:10] <Limulus> er... oh, let me wait until I read the answer to that q ;)
[02:10] <Limulus> if not, I will ask again another time, thanks :)
[02:11] <robotgeek> Limulus: :)
[02:11] <paulvolk> Hey Guys
[02:11] <robotgeek> hey paulvolk
[02:12] <paulvolk> I was wondering if there was a mail client for Kubuntu that cab support hotmail?
[02:12] <robotgeek> paulvolk: hmm, i don't think kmail can pull hotmail stuff (unless you pay for pop access)
[02:13] <paulvolk> ya I was really hoping that there was something for free out there
[02:14] <robotgeek> paulvolk: i think there's some kind of webmail extension for thunderbird, ask google :)
[02:14] <paulvolk> oh ok thanks
[02:14] <paulvolk> bye for now
[02:14] <paolo> ok thanks
[02:14] <paolo> works
[02:14] <paolo> i mean, downloading... ;)
[02:17] <Borut> Where I will find libfastrack-gift, libares-gift for Kubuntu?
[02:18] <Borut> It needs for program Apollon
[02:18] <Limulus> paolo: that should work just fine; you likely will have to close and reopen FF before it will work if its running right now
[02:19] <Limulus> after install, test it here:
[02:19] <Limulus> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[02:22] <robotgeek> Borut: i think you might have to compile them from source, lemme check
[02:22] <Borut> hmmm
[02:22] <Borut> i'am amateur
[02:22] <robotgeek> Borut: no, i dont see them in the repos. it's not very tough
[02:23] <aitor> how can it be that du shows a higher (much higher) disk usage than the actual one?
[02:23] <aitor> sorry, df
[02:23] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell Borut about compile
[02:24] <robotgeek> Borut: ask me if you have any questions
[02:24] <aitor> even though I nearly reach the 20 gigs of disk usage, everything tells me I have near 40 gigs
[02:24] <paolo> ok thx
[02:24] <paolo> now i need to install printer canon ip2000
[02:24] <paolo> how to do it?
[02:24] <paolo> tried the utility to config printers in system->administration but it doesn't work
[02:26] <Borut> Please, ask these two packages about compilation if it is possible under Kubuntu an addin in repo Kubuntu :)
[02:27] <paolo> at the end it says: not possible to load the selected driver
[02:27] <robotgeek> Borut: hmm, i dunno why they arent in there
[02:28] <Borut> It on mail ??
[02:28] <robotgeek> Borut: it is not in the repositories, i'll try to find out why they arent there
[02:29] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: which packages?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> libfastrack-gift, libares-gift for Kubuntu?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> oh
[02:30] <Borut> yes
[02:30] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: yeah, i think they are hosted on berlios
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:31] <ninnghizidha> Hello!  I got problems with mit Volume-Controls: If i push my volume-up-key a volume-meter will appear and increase, but the volume wont go up. Same for Volume-Down. :-/
[02:32] <ninnghizidha> i got no ideas how to link the volume-metre to the right channel.
[02:32] <monteiro> how can i make kaffeine stream quicktime movies in the internet ? (now it streams mpg with w32codecs and don't stream .mov files)
[02:32] <Borut> For program Apollon need throw network Fasttrack and Ares
[02:32] <robotgeek> http://gift-ares.berlios.de/
[02:33] <Borut> i'm amateur user Kubuntu,
[02:33] <robotgeek> Borut: sure, but i'll guide you thru it
[02:33] <xxenon> hi
[02:33] <xxenon> I have installed skype with --ignore-depends=libqt3c102-mt , works nicely. But now every apt-get install operation wants to remove skype.
[02:33] <xxenon> any idea ?
[02:34] <robotgeek> Borut: download http://download.berlios.de/gift-ares/gift-ares-0.2.2.tar.gz
[02:34] <Borut> ok
[02:35] <robotgeek> Borut: in a terminal, do "sudo apt-get install build-essential checkinstall"
[02:37] <howcomes> http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/1205/ie66as.png
[02:38] <robotgeek> howcomes: evil!
[02:38] <Borut> It wait moment :)
[02:41] <Borut> ok next
[02:41] <robotgeek> sudo apt-get install libgift-dev
[02:43] <robotgeek> Borut: oops, iot's not compiling. i think there's a problem
[02:43] <Borut> lic in admin
[02:43] <Borut> lock in admin
[02:45] <asraniel> hi, does anyone know the best way to change the keyboard layout with kde?
[02:46] <faked> asraniel: yes, with kcontrol
[02:47] <asraniel> faked: seems broken to me, there arent any keyboard layout i could chose of
[02:49] <asraniel> is there a console utility that can change the keyboard layout?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:50] <Borut> ok next
[02:50] <robotgeek> night Hobbsee
[02:50] <robotgeek> Borut: it isn't compiling from the source, there is some kind of error. sorry
[02:51] <robotgeek> Borut: i tht i could save you all the pain, but it's out of my hands now. sorry mate
[02:51] <Borut> ok
[02:51] <Borut> no problem
[02:55] <nlindblad> any German?
[02:56] <robotgeek> !de
[02:56] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[02:56] <nlindblad> robotgeek, need to speak to one
[02:56] <nlindblad> robotgeek, not be in a channel full of them
[02:56] <arafat> asraniel: try setxkbmap
[02:56] <robotgeek> nlindblad: hmm, okay.
[02:57] <nlindblad> robotgeek, it's about grammar
[02:57] <nlindblad> robotgeek, have a huge exam tomorrow
[02:57] <joao> !fr
[02:57] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[02:59] <weedar> When installing the java jdk I get mucho errors when following the guide
[02:59] <weedar> Anyone here who has done the same?
[03:00] <unholy> weedar, Im not runnning (k)ubuntu yet, but did you use the one from suns website?
[03:01] <zblach> hi. i have a bank of keys on my keyboard that I can't seem to use. how can I fix that?
[03:01] <weedar> unholy, yes I downloaded from sun..During the step where you use fakeroot and make-jpkg I get alot of access denied, yet later I am able to intall the package without any errors. I'm using the guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:01] <zblach> I'm using a microsoft natural ergonomic, and I would like to enable my xf86 & other keys
[03:03] <paolo> how can i change a permission of a usb device?
[03:03] <paolo> /dev/usb$ ls -l
[03:03] <paolo> totale 0
[03:03] <paolo> crw-rw----  1 root lp 180, 0 2006-02-05 14:38 lp0
[03:03] <zblach> it was farily simple in gnome, but i can't seem to find a kde tutorial
[03:03] <paolo> want to change lp0 permission
[03:03] <paolo> so that everybody can use it
[03:03] <unholy> zblach, there is a program that will do that for you, give me time to think.
[03:03] <zblach> unholy, sure, thanks
[03:06] <dell500> how do you do a 'make clean' when there is no make file?
[03:07] <unholy> weedar: When you say later you can install without errors, does that mean its working?
[03:08] <Finalhazard> Hello.
[03:08] <weedar> unholy, I have no idea. I haven't found a way to test everything..But I would assume so, seing as installing the created debian-package should install the files that were not during creation
[03:09] <unholy> type 'java' and see what happens.
[03:09] <weedar> yes, well it seems to work
[03:09] <paolo> anybody know ?
[03:10] <weedar> But what I'm thinking is that what if some minor file is missing..I might not discover it until weeks from now
[03:10] <weedar> I wish there was a way to test if all the files were installed correctly
[03:11] <unholy> weedar: I understand allright. You could run 'sudo updatedb' and then run 'locate java' and it would show you all the files that were installed.
[03:12] <Finalhazard> I'm having problems installing Super Mario War on my computer. The guys behind it recently released a deb for it, so it could be played on Linux. But when I try to install it, it says I need libgcc1 4.0.2 and libstdc++6 4.0.2-4...
[03:12] <Finalhazard> And unfortunately, I just can't seem to find them.
[03:12] <Finalhazard> Anyone know where I could get it besides apt?
[03:13] <weedar> unholy, of course...I'll do that, but with slocate ;)
[03:13] <unholy> weedar: hehe, okay.
[03:14] <unholy> weedar: actually, that might not be beneficial to you. The reason I say use 'locate' is because you want to see all files installed. Not just the ones you have permissions for.
[03:15] <paolo> help please
[03:15] <paolo> how to change lp0 permission
[03:16] <weedar> unholy, it seems the file that gave errors already existed..So I guess they were installed by the jre at some point. Either way, everything is fine! Thanks for your help :)
[03:17] <unholy> zblach: I cant remember the name of the program, I'm sorry. But heres a howto that might help http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys
[03:17] <weedar> paolo, using chmod doesn't work?
[03:17] <unholy> weedar: no probs! Ill be installing kubuntu myself next week so this is all good for me too :)
[03:17] <paolo> unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": Permission denied
[03:17] <paolo> what chmod line shoulw i use?
[03:18] <paolo> can u gimme the command?
[03:18] <weedar> unholy, in that case you should probably look into Automatix. I didn't use it myself but I will if I have to re-install kubuntu :)
[03:18] <unholy> weedar: Thanks for the heads-up. Ill look into it.
[03:19] <zblach> unholy,i'm running 3.5.1, and the keyboard locale selector is broken as of now
[03:19] <mrstrano> hey guys.. what about 64bit ndiswrapper?
[03:19] <paolo> weedar?
[03:19] <weedar> unholy, it basically helps you install common programs and fixes, especially multimedia-related
[03:19] <weedar> paolo, one moment
[03:19] <paolo> k
[03:19] <unholy> weedar: excellent!
[03:19] <weedar> paolo, try "chmod o+r lp0" to add reading priveliges
[03:19] <unholy> zblach: ouch.
[03:20] <weedar> paolo, but you will have to be root to do so, add a "sudo" in front of that command :)
[03:21] <paolo> still
[03:21] <paolo> unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": Permission denied
[03:21] <paolo> using turboprint..
[03:25] <weedar> weird
[03:26] <weedar> ah, no not really..you have to have execute permission to enter it of course! Do "sudo chmod o+x lp0" paolo
[03:26] <weedar> If that doesn't work I unfortunately won't know what to do next :/
[03:27] <up> test, 1,2 :)
[03:28] <weedar> 3
[03:29] <unholy> zblach: linEAK is the name of the program :)
[03:30] <unholy> zblach: http://lineak.sourceforge.net/
[03:30] <weedar> paolo, did it work?
[03:31] <unholy> zblach: but I also see there is a program which is actually built for kubuntu called 'hotkeys'.
[03:32] <zblach> oh?
[03:32] <zblach> apt?
[03:32] <zblach> wow. never thought of that. cool
[03:33] <navis> ola
[03:34] <paolo> weddar
[03:35] <paolo> it worked if i do: chmod o+rw lp0
[03:35] <paolo> but if i unplug and plug i need to do that again
[03:35] <paolo> how to perm chmod it?
[03:36] <weedar> paolo, well you could add your user to the "lp" group
[03:37] <paolo> how?
[03:39] <weedar> add your username to the lp group in /etc/group for example
[03:39] <weedar> there is also a command for it paolo, but I can't remember it at the moment..
[03:40] <paolo> lp:x:7:cupsys
[03:40] <paolo> how should i change it?
[03:40] <paolo> lp:x:7:cupsys:paolo
[03:40] <paolo> ?
[03:40] <weedar> no, separate with comma
[03:40] <weedar> lp:x:7:cupsys,paolo
[03:41] <dell500> i don't seem to have GL/gl.h, glu.h, or glx.h...
[03:41] <dell500> what should i do lol
[03:41] <weedar> What card are you trying to install dell500?
[03:42] <dell500> not a card, projectM (visualizer plugin)
[03:42] <dell500> needs opengl stuff i think
[03:42] <weedar> Yes it does
[03:43] <dell500> but i did locate on those files and nothing came up... how should i go about getting them :)
[03:43] <weedar> What video card do you have, ati or nvidia?
[03:43] <dell500> ati
[03:43] <dell500> 9600xt
[03:44] <weedar> dell500, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[03:44] <dell500> i've got fglrx working...
[03:44] <dell500> or at least it says its working
[03:45] <weedar> If you follow the guide you'll know it works :)
[03:45] <dell500> k, kool
[03:48] <kernel_i386> !firefox 1.5
[03:48] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, kernel_i386
[03:48] <kernel_i386> !firefox1.5
[03:48] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[03:50] <paolo> keep getting permission denied =(
[03:50] <paolo> every time i plug it int
[03:50] <paolo> every time i plug it in
[03:54] <weedar> Then, unfortunately I don't know paolo :/ Maybe try asking in #ubuntu and se if anyone there has a solution
[04:01] <kernel_i386> btw ... why is there no firefox 1.5 as standard package?
[04:02] <weedar> there is some trouble with it breaking certain packages kernel_i386, it will be in dapper though
[04:02] <kernel_i386> ya.. installed dapper .. and everything .. was ... ehm **** .. now I switched back .. an I am glad that I made it to install 1.5 @ breezy..
[04:03] <weedar> Breezy works for sheezy
[04:04] <kernel_i386> hrhr
[04:04] <weedar> I mean, you have all the programs you need in apt, except some very few and those are installable anyway... :)
[04:04] <kernel_i386> yea.. indeed - but I have some bad trouble with vsftpd..
[04:05] <kernel_i386> anybody got vsftpd in usage?
[04:15] <joao> hi
[04:15] <joao> anyone uses kopete?
[04:15] <kernel_i386> yes
[04:16] <joao> i can't connect to messenger account
[04:16] <joao> do you know something about it?
[04:16] <joao> it used to work
[04:17] <weedar> Works fine for me joao
[04:17] <weedar> what version are you using?
[04:17] <joao> 0.11.1 (kde 3.5.1 -- kubuntu)
[04:18] <joao> weedar: what version do you use
[04:18] <joao> ?
[04:18] <weedar> I'm using the same version
[04:18] <joao> ok ... so can i "reset" kopete?
[04:18] <joao> maybe i did something wrong
[04:19] <weedar> Do you get any errors at all joao ?
[04:19] <joao> yes, password incorrect - but: if i use gaim it works!
[04:21] <weedar> I would try to remove all the accounts and configure them again
[04:22] <joao> i already tried that! but it didn't work
[04:23] <joao> it's not a big deal since i can use gaim, but i don't like the fact it just stopped working and i don't know why!
[04:25] <joao> thank you anyway
[04:26] <weedar> Not much to thank for I'm afraid..You could always hear with the people in #kopete joao, but they don't respond very quickly :)
[04:26] <joao> ok
[04:28] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[04:29] <_root> bonjour
[04:29] <_root> j'ai besoin d'aide sur kubuntu
[04:29] <_root> je recherche  changer le code d'un utilisateur quelqu'un pour m'aider ?
[04:30] <joao> _root: tu auras peut tre plus de chance sur #kubuntu-fr !
[04:30] <_root> ok merci
[04:31] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[04:35] <MrJangles> hello
[04:36] <MrJangles> is there a way to move free space from an existsing windows partition to a linux partition?
[04:38] <knubbe> is it possible to take a snapshot by pressing "print scrn"?
[04:38] <knubbe> if so, what do i need to do to make it work?
[04:39] <MrJangles> to early maybe? :)
[04:42] <unholy> knubbe, ksnapshot is the program that does this. I dont know if it will definately work with the printscreen key, but it does on my Mandriva machine.
[04:45] <toby> Any guarddog users here?
[04:46] <toby> what firewall/iptables interface are people using then?
[04:48] <ccc_> toby: i'm using firestarter.
[04:48] <ccc_> gtk
[04:49] <unholy> Theres one that works through a webbrowser too. I cant remember what its called.
[04:49] <ccc_> i don't actually see it much though, luckily :)
[04:50] <ninnghizidha> How can i add a custom keyboard-shortcut which executes a command?
[04:50] <os2mac> there is a way to do that through the settings gui... I can't tell you exactly how to do is as I am booted to windows atm..
[04:51] <toby> ninnghizidha: Right click item in kicker menu.
[04:51] <ninnghizidha> i found the short-cut Sequences-Dialog .. .but i can just set shortcuts to programms in the kde-menu
[04:51] <toby> ninnghizidha: edit item
[04:52] <toby> ninnghizidha: "current shortcut key"
[04:52] <toby> hth
[04:53] <ninnghizidha> so ... i can just add shortcuts to programms inside the K-Menu?
[04:54] <toby> They normally go there automatically if you install your programs using your package manager
[04:54] <weedar> Any reason why "LOCALCLASSPATH=~/saxon/saxon.jar;~/saxon/saxon-jdom.jar" should result in a permission denied?
[04:55] <ninnghizidha> well .. thanks .. this helps! :-D
[04:57] <httpdss> im getting blue and red stripes all around the letter in kwrite ... any solution ?
[04:59] <MrJangles> is there a program i can use to move free space from a windows partition to a linux partition?
[04:59] <unholy> MrJangles: I dont think you can do this without loosing data in the linux partition you wish to extend.
[05:00] <MrJangles> :( thats unfortunate
[05:01] <unholy> MrJangles: What I did in your situation was shrink the windows partition (using either partition magic for windows, or the Mandriva installer)..
[05:01] <MrJangles> good idea, and than i can locate the unpartitioned space?
[05:01] <unholy> Then, I used the extra bit of space and assigned something like /usr/doc or something to it, which left more space on the other partition.
[05:02] <MrJangles> great, and to assign it, can i use the install cd? or is there a better way?
[05:02] <unholy> MrJangles: I did this in Mandriva, I'm not a kubuntu user yet :)
[05:03] <MrJangles> awesome, i'm familiar with partition magic, i can assign right in windows
[05:03] <unholy> The Mandriva installer is pretty handy though. Just use the first CD to change your partitions. And dont install.
[05:03] <MrJangles> ya
[05:03] <unholy> MrJangles: I used an old version of PM, but you couldnt assign linux partitions with it.
[05:03] <MrJangles> i'm thinking about dumping windows all together.... i dont know if i'm ready
[05:04] <unholy> MrJangles: Whats giving you doubts?
[05:04] <MrJangles> games
[05:04] <MrJangles> ;-)
[05:04] <unholy> :)
[05:04] <httpdss> my kwrite problem: http://server2.ihostphotos.com/show.php?id=84648
[05:04] <MrJangles> wine is good, but i'm having to many problems installing certain things, but i dunno
[05:05] <MrJangles> i think i can move on from games
[05:05] <unholy> Well, while I was dual booting, I found I was taking the easy way out whenever possible :) So I went cold turkey and installed Redhat. I had no games, and still dont have 3D accelleration, but I'm happy, and I've learned a lot.
[05:05] <unholy> MrJangles: I think when you get into it, you could find it as exciting as gaming.
[05:05] <MrJangles> exactly, i'm running %100 linux on my laptop, no problems, and i learn a lot
[05:05] <knubbe> anyone who knows why its so slow to move files from a windows computer to kubuntu with samba?
[05:06] <MrJangles> i just switched over on my desktop, and its running to a tea
[05:06] <knubbe> (and im sitting in kubuntu when i move the files)
[05:06] <unholy> MrJangles: What distro?
[05:06] <MrJangles> kubuntu
[05:06] <unholy> duh ;)
[05:06] <MrJangles> i havent upgraded the distro yet, i dont know if i want to lol
[05:06] <unholy> hehe
[05:07] <unholy> I was a half-life addict, but I was actually glad for the break. I found some AMAZING 2D games for linux too.
[05:07] <unholy> www.nongnu.org/enigma is one.
[05:08] <MrJangles> awesome, ya i'm pretty heacy into the half-life server world
[05:08] <unholy> Well, if you have some retro gaming roots in you youll like it.
[05:08] <MrJangles> heavy*
[05:09] <MrJangles> i think i'm starting to get tired of it, and as you said, playing around with linux is can be more exciting
[05:09] <unholy> But I was an addict :) Spent WAY too much time at it. I like the human contact part of the linux community.
[05:09] <MrJangles> lol, totally
[05:10] <unholy> :)
[05:10] <MrJangles> well thats such a huge part of gaming, is the interaction with the real world in the form of text :)
[05:11] <unholy> True :)
[05:12] <unholy> I dont know, I played so much of them that they all started to seem the same to me.
[05:13] <MrJangles> hehe, ya, thats why i got into hosting servers, it was a different level, but even thats getting annoying
[05:13] <unholy> MrJangles: Cool.
[05:15] <MrJangles> i think i'll just wipe windows and forget the extending
[05:15] <MrJangles> why not eh
[05:18] <unholy> MrJangles: Go for it :)
[05:19] <unholy> If you reeeeeaaally want youre games again, Cedega will probably do the job for you.
[05:20] <brezel> hmm
[05:20] <brezel> i was testing the timedemo of cedega just yesterday
[05:20] <brezel> and i did have some problems
[05:20] <MrJangles> unholy: this looks alot better than wine...
[05:21] <unholy> Well, its commercial so they HAVE to get it to work :)
[05:21] <brezel> i.e. wc3 just crashed on me in the middle of a herowars game
[05:21] <brezel> also wow seems to crash a lot when there are many npcs around
[05:22] <brezel> i am starting to believe my computer is too slow for playing games with cedega
[05:22] <brezel> cs works fine though
[05:22] <unholy> brezel, is that game actually supported by Cedega? It doesnt do all games.
[05:22] <brezel> yes
[05:22] <brezel> wc3 is officially supported
[05:22] <brezel> not sure about wow
[05:22] <MrJangles> steam?
[05:23] <brezel> http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/
[05:23] <brezel> wow seems to be officialy supported also
[05:24] <brezel> yes steam works well here
[05:24] <ninnghizidha> is tehre a cadega-package available for ubuntu?
[05:24] <ninnghizidha> or just debian? how to install it?
[05:24] <brezel> you need cedega + point2play
[05:24] <brezel> you can get a time limited demo from the cedega homepage
[05:24] <tid-wave> hello! how do i configure kubuntu to use non-GMT clock ?
[05:25] <tid-wave> I have windows installed on my PC which stores the clock in local time
[05:25] <brezel> symlink /etc/localtime to the correct timezone in /usr/share/zoneinfo/
[05:26] <unholy> tid-wave: windows and kubuntu have nothing to do with each other. You probably need to just change the time. Possibly in your bios?
[05:26] <ninnghizidha> no .. there is a switch in ubuntu to turn GTM off ...
[05:26] <ninnghizidha> i guess inside an init.d-script
[05:26] <ninnghizidha> but i dont know where anymore
[05:27] <brezel> i use ntpdate...i think it's the nicest solution :)
[05:27] <brezel> never care about the clock
[05:27] <tid-wave> ntpdate will screw the clock when i reboot
[05:27] <tid-wave> because windows stores the time in localtime
[05:27] <brezel> then your /etc/localtime link is wrong
[05:28] <tid-wave> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2006-01-31 04:16 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Bucharest
[05:28] <brezel> ntpdate gets the time from a timeserver and doesn't care what your bios clock is set to
[05:28] <tid-wave> it's good
[05:28] <brezel> are you using a time server in your timezone?
[05:28] <tid-wave> no
[05:28] <brezel> well you should :)
[05:28] <tid-wave> the problem is linux stores the time in GMT by default
[05:28] <tid-wave> i just need to change that
[05:28] <tid-wave> the timezone is fine
[05:29] <tid-wave> One ugly way to fix that is to set localtime to GMT
[05:29] <brezel> then you might wanna check /etc/init.d/hwclock
[05:29] <tid-wave> but that's evil
[05:29] <brezel> then you might wanna check /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh
[05:30] <brezel> it gets the configuration from /etc/default/rcS
[05:30] <tid-wave> yeah
[05:30] <tid-wave> that's what i needed
[05:30] <tid-wave> thanks
[05:30] <brezel> yw
[05:30] <tid-wave> there should be GUI way to set that ! ;)
[05:30] <brezel> i had to look for it myself ^^
[05:31] <brezel> kdesu kedit /etc/default/rcS :D
[05:31] <tid-wave> :))
[05:31] <brezel> yea youre right...should be somewhere in kcontrol or whatever gnome uses
[05:34] <tid-wave> I want to have multiple users logged into KDE
[05:34] <tid-wave> how can i do that ?
[05:35] <tid-wave> (Like the switch user feature in windows XP)
[05:35] <brezel> echo startkde > .xinitrc
[05:35] <brezel> startx --  :1
[05:35] <brezel> on a console
[05:35] <tid-wave> isn't it possible to use kdm for that ?
[05:35] <brezel> hmm
[05:35] <tid-wave> i mean instead logging off, just switch
[05:35] <brezel> probably
[05:35] <brezel> you dont have to log off
[05:35] <tid-wave> ah
[05:35] <tid-wave> I see
[05:35] <brezel> you will have 2 xservers then
[05:35] <tid-wave> it has a switch user option !!!
[05:36] <brezel> one on ctrl alt f7
[05:36] <brezel> one on ctrl alt f8
[05:36] <brezel> :)
[05:36] <brezel> hehe
[05:36] <tid-wave> yay
[05:36] <tid-wave> nice
[05:36] <brezel> as i said probably...didn't know ^^
[05:36] <larsivi> hmm, when did Sun's java start working in Konqueror?
[05:36] <brezel> worked forever?
[05:37] <brezel> since like java 1.2 or so
[05:37] <larsivi> no, I had to use blackdown previously
[05:37] <brezel> hmm dunno then ^^
[05:37] <up> does anyone have (k)ubuntu running on a ibm/lenovo thinkpad r52?
[05:38] <asraniel> hi. how can i change the keyboard layout in kde 3.5.1? because of the kde 3.5.1 bug i cant change it in kcontrol. this is a REAL show stopper. i could not figure out how to make it correctly with the xorg.conf
[05:39] <brosioz> hi i've boot with 2.6.15 runnig module-assistant and create the module for nvidia install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev but when i type modprobe nvidia i getFATAL: Module nvidia not found . anyone could help ?
[05:40] <ninnghizidha> i got the same problem, asraniel
[05:40] <ninnghizidha> i cant add a layout in the system-settings.
[05:41] <brezel> re
[05:44] <LiteHedded> i need samba help
[05:44] <LiteHedded> i can't browse samba shares
[05:44] <brezel> is lisa installed?
[05:44] <LiteHedded> yes
[05:45] <brezel> what do you get when you type smbclient -L servername?
[05:45] <LiteHedded> it shows the shares
[05:46] <brezel> and smb:/ in konqueror does what?
[05:46] <LiteHedded> cannot find any workgroups
[05:46] <brezel> hmm
[05:46] <brezel> did you check in the kde control center?
[05:47] <LiteHedded> no
[05:47] <brezel> internet & network -> samba
[05:47] <LiteHedded> it just says loading
[05:47] <LiteHedded> and never stops
[05:47] <brezel> o.O
[05:47] <LiteHedded> it's saying detecting your current platform
[05:48] <LiteHedded> but it's frozen
[05:48] <brezel> that's odd
[05:48] <asraniel> arg, i want to CODE! but i cant because i cant change the keyboard layout, which means i have to copy paste things like ]  etc... is there realy no way to change the keyboard layout with something else than kcontrol? i cant believe that..
[05:48] <brezel> asraniel: loadkeys
[05:49] <brezel> LiteHedded: sry no idea what could be wrong there...but it seems to be a kde issue since smclient -L works
[05:53] <brezel> hmm
[05:53] <brezel> i just discovered katapult
[05:53] <brezel> does anyone know what that does? :D
[05:58] <beefsprocket> brezel: it is an application launcher of sorts
[05:58] <brezel> yes, but how do i use it?
[05:59] <brezel> or configure it
[05:59] <brezel> alt+space does something
[05:59] <beefsprocket> well, I think that alt-space starts it
[05:59] <beefsprocket> then try typing the name of an app that you use
[05:59] <brezel> :D
[05:59] <brezel> cool
[05:59] <beefsprocket> like "f" brings up firefox
[05:59] <beefsprocket> yeah
[05:59] <beefsprocket> then just hit enter
[06:00] <brezel> http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Katapult-Screenshot-9059.html <-- here it says it can be configured
[06:00] <beefsprocket> no idea how to configure it -- haven't checked
[06:00] <beefsprocket> nice
[06:00] <brezel> i don't seem to find that
[06:00] <asraniel> yea, i found how to fix the keyboard layout problem with kde 3.5.1
[06:00] <asraniel> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3102.msg12587#msg12587
[06:01] <beefsprocket> brezel: you can right click on the icon in kicker?
[06:01] <brezel> hmm, no icon there
[06:02] <beefsprocket> hmm, you have kde 3.4.3 ? I've got 3.5 which might be different
[06:02] <brezel> 3.5.1
[06:02] <brezel> i just upgraded
[06:02] <beefsprocket> oh, well then
[06:03] <beefsprocket> I can't say that I know how to help in that case
[06:03] <brezel> hmm, well i'll figure it out :) thx anyway
[06:04] <csaniger> hi all. I have a problem regarding kontact. Anyone can help?
[06:04] <brezel> will try :)
[06:05] <csaniger> Thanks :) When I go to Sync option  I get a message like this 'libmultisyncpart.la not found in library path'
[06:06] <brezel> do you have the multisync packages installed?
[06:06] <csaniger> yes. I've just installed them right now. I would like to sync my Acer-n30
[06:07] <tid-wave> how can I see all the songs from All Collection in amaroK ?
[06:07] <csaniger> I've been following the HOWTO on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30936
[06:07] <brezel> have you tried to look for that file in your system?
[06:07] <csaniger> No I haven't
[06:08] <csaniger> Where should it be located? You know?
[06:08] <brezel> csaniger: do a `find /usr -name "libmultisyncpart.la"` in a shell to see if that file is on your system
[06:08] <csaniger> ok
[06:09] <csaniger> brezel: doing it right now...
[06:09] <brezel> good
[06:09] <brezel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105817 <-- seems you're not alone
[06:09] <csaniger> brezel: it has not found it
[06:09] <brezel> hmm, are you using dapper?
[06:10] <csaniger> brezel: What's dapper?
[06:10] <brezel> tid-wave: i think there is some dynamic playlist that has all songs
[06:10] <brezel> csaniger: the development version of kubuntu
[06:11] <csaniger> brezel: I installed breezy
[06:11] <brezel> ko
[06:11] <brezel> ok
[06:11] <C-O-L-T> there is an edubuntu live cd?
[06:11] <csaniger> brezel: when I first plugged my PocketPC, I did a dmesg and saw it had recognized it
[06:12] <brezel> csaniger: i would try to install all packages you find with `apt-cache  search multisync`...if none of those contains the necessary file the kontact package might be broken
[06:12] <csaniger> brezel: from that point and on I followed the HOWTO mentioned before
[06:12] <brezel> hmm, that's odd
[06:12] <LiteHedded> when I reboot it's not keeping my wireless settings
[06:13] <csaniger> brezel: Should I reinstall kontact?
[06:13] <brezel> reinstalling things almost never solves problems under linux ^^
[06:13] <brezel> you might wanna try to delete kontact's settings and start over
[06:13] <GameOver69> anyone can tell me or give me different lines in the sources list so i can get more updated programs?
[06:15] <beefsprocket> hmm, how do I enable ctl+shift+ins paste in yakuake?
[06:15] <csaniger> brezel: .... :(
[06:16] <brezel> sorry csaniger i have no experience with multisync
[06:16] <brezel> i'm just saying what i would try
[06:16] <csaniger> brezel: don't worry :) Thanks for your help, it's been appreciated :)
[06:16] <brezel> ^^
[06:19] <GameOver69> anyone can tell me or give me different lines in the sources list so i can get more updated programs?
[06:20] <brezel> which version are you using?
[06:20] <brezel> breezy?
[06:21] <brezel> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/540288 <-- this is my sources.list
[06:22] <GameOver69> do these contain more updated versions of programs t hen whats provided by default?
[06:22] <GameOver69> and yes im using breezy
[06:24] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[06:24] <brezel> well, the multiverse repository is not in it by default...but i guess there is just a larger selection of packages..not newer ones
[06:24] <LiteHedded> when I reboot it's not keeping my wireless settings
[06:24] <LiteHedded> can someone help me?
[06:26] <zblach> LiteHedded,
[06:26] <zblach> here's what you do\
[06:26] <LiteHedded> ok
[06:26] <zblach> what kinds of settings?
[06:26] <LiteHedded> well any
[06:27] <LiteHedded> when I reboot the device is not ready
[06:27] <zblach> like encryption? or essid?
[06:27] <LiteHedded> i have to manually ifconfig up it
[06:27] <zblach> ok
[06:27] <LiteHedded> and set the static ip and essid etc
[06:27] <GameOver69> brezel, the multiverse is for kubuntu or ubuntu?
[06:27] <zblach> it is ndiswrappered?
[06:27] <LiteHedded> no
[06:27] <brezel> GameOver69: doesn't matter...it's the same basic distro
[06:27] <GameOver69> oh ok
[06:28] <LiteHedded> it worked right after install of kubuntu
[06:28] <zblach> LiteHedded, sudo open /etc/network/interfaces
[06:28] <LiteHedded> i have it open
[06:28] <zblach> ok
[06:28] <zblach> find this line 'mapping hotplug'
[06:28] <LiteHedded> ok
[06:28] <zblach> next is 'script grep'
[06:28] <LiteHedded> yea
[06:28] <LiteHedded> then map eth1
[06:28] <LiteHedded> which is my wifi
[06:28] <zblach> change the 3rd line to be 'map wlan0' or which every network card you're using
[06:28] <zblach> eth1 is your wifi?
[06:29] <LiteHedded> yes
[06:29] <zblach> oko
[06:29] <GameOver69> zblach, i have mine ndiswrapped and have tried everything and i still have to dhclient it everytime to get it to work
[06:29] <zblach> next line: "# The primary network interface
[06:29] <LiteHedded> yes
[06:29] <LiteHedded> the info is there for it
[06:29] <zblach> next line should be iface eth1 inet static
[06:29] <LiteHedded> right
[06:29] <zblach> you have all the rest?
[06:29] <LiteHedded> looks like it
[06:29] <zblach> address, network, gateway, netmask?
[06:29] <LiteHedded> network says 192.168.1.0
[06:30] <zblach> your router
[06:30] <LiteHedded> don't know if that's right or not
[06:30] <LiteHedded> my router is .1
[06:30] <zblach> change it to your router
[06:30] <LiteHedded> ok
[06:30] <zblach> uh... is there a paste channel?
[06:30] <tid-wave> #flood ?
[06:30] <LiteHedded> then what?
[06:30] <brezel> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[06:30] <brezel> go here
[06:31] <zblach> LiteHedded, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/540306
[06:31] <zblach> have something like that
[06:31] <zblach> and i've never had a problem since
[06:31] <LiteHedded> it says that
[06:32] <zblach> ..
[06:32] <zblach> not sure what the problem could be then. sorry.
[06:32] <LiteHedded> there's an entry for eth2. a wireless card I put in there but have since removed
[06:32] <zblach> i've found that method to always be foolproof
[06:32] <LiteHedded> delete it?
[06:32] <zblach> probably
[06:32] <zblach> were I you, i'd've called my wireless card wlan0
[06:33] <zblach> i have eth0 just in case i'm going to plug in wiredly
[06:33] <LiteHedded> i didn't call it anything
[06:33] <LiteHedded> ubuntu did
[06:33] <zblach> ok
[06:33] <LiteHedded> i have iface eth0 inet after the eth1 setup lines
[06:33] <LiteHedded> and then auto eth1
[06:33] <LiteHedded> should that come before the eth0 line?
[06:34] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i set krusader to the default file browser?
[06:34] <LiteHedded> file associations in kcontrol prolly
[06:37] <LiteHedded> when I shut down on deconfiguring network interfaces it fails
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS> LiteHedded: but what is the folder option? in kcontrol?
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS> i find about "folder"
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS> and no results
[06:37] <LiteHedded> not sure
[06:38] <LiteHedded> search for file assotiations
[06:38] <MetaMorfoziS> yes i have found it
[06:38] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm searched in the fileassociations
[06:38] <LiteHedded> associations
[06:38] <LiteHedded> ok
[06:38] <MetaMorfoziS> but i'm not found it!
[06:38] <MetaMorfoziS> :(
[06:39] <LiteHedded> not sure what it's under
[06:39] <brezel> inode->directory
[06:40] <brezel> got it MetaMorfoziS?
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> thx
[06:40] <brezel> yw
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> but not work:)
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm click on a folder
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> and krusader load load load...
[06:41] <MetaMorfoziS> and crash..
[06:41] <tid-wave> how can i restructure the panel like in ubuntu (gnome) ? with the application launchers and the notification area at the top and the taskbar + pager at the bottom of the screen ?
[06:44] <brosioz> hi i've boot with 2.6.15 runnig module-assistant and create the module for nvidia install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev but when i type modprobe nvidia i getFATAL: Module nvidia not found . anyone could help ?
[06:44] <brezel> MetaMorfoziS: i am not sure if you can completely replace konqueror with something else
[06:44] <MetaMorfoziS> .but i'm want:)
[06:44] <brezel> :)
[06:46] <brezel> haha i know how :D
[06:46] <brezel> in the inode->directory entry  in the file associations
[06:46] <brezel> user 'krusader --left'
[06:46] <brezel> not only 'krusader'
[06:47] <MetaMorfoziS> moment
[06:48] <brezel> man krusader says this:
[06:48] <brezel> OPTIONS
[06:48] <brezel>        --left <path>
[06:48] <brezel>               start left panel at <path>
[06:48] <brezel>        --right <path>
[06:48] <brezel>               start right panel at <path>
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> krusader -caption "%c" %i %m
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> thisis the default
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> the kcontrol added this
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> ok i add th e--left
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> qql.
[06:48] <brezel> what are %i and %m replaced by?
[06:49] <MetaMorfoziS> i'dont know
[06:49] <MetaMorfoziS> th krusader is'nt started
[06:49] <brezel> well i just added put 'krusader --left' and it worked
[06:49] <brezel> just try that
[06:50] <MetaMorfoziS> okok moment
[06:50] <MetaMorfoziS> ql!
[06:51] <MetaMorfoziS> thank you:)
[06:51] <brezel> yw :)
[06:51] <MetaMorfoziS> it's loads a bit slowly...
[06:52] <brezel> apt-get install more-memory more-gigahertz :D
[06:52] <MetaMorfoziS> :)))
[06:52] <melonipoika> hi, does anyone know how to resize a linux partition, but moving the beggining of it?
[06:53] <MetaMorfoziS> :((
[06:53] <MetaMorfoziS> :DD
[06:53] <MetaMorfoziS> melonipoika: i don't know...
[06:54] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[06:54] <mister_roboto> melonipoika: have you tried using gparted? it's a nice gui on parted to do this sort of thing,
[06:54] <brezel> MetaMorfoziS: fast machine :) i'm on 1600 MHz
[06:54] <brezel> but 1.5 GB RAM
[06:54] <melonipoika> yes, but it only let me modifiy at the end part, not begining...
[06:55] <melonipoika> but thanks in any case
[06:55] <brezel> melonipoika: you can use cfdisk but you must backup all data before you change the partition table
[06:55] <mister_roboto> melonpoika: is there a partition before it taking up the space? if so, you might have to shrink that one first
[06:56] <melonipoika> what i want to do is to make bigger the partition before ubuntu, and for that i first need to make the ubuntu one smaller...
[06:57] <mister_roboto> melonpoika: can't you just shrink the ubuntu one from the end first, then move the whole thing higher?
[06:57] <melonipoika> oh yes, that i could try!, thanks
[06:58] <melonipoika> mister_roboto: what program do you recomend me for doing all that?
[06:58] <mister_roboto> melonpoika: personally, i found gparted very easy to use.
[06:58] <mister_roboto> melonpoika: make sure you have a backup of important stuff in case anything goes wrong ;)
[06:59] <melonipoika> ok, thanks
[06:59] <AndyR> hi all
[06:59] <CyberMad> does cvs can update installed package? so i will get less security problem, ex: apache, mysql, postfix
[07:00] <melonipoika> ah, another question... i also need to move the swap partition then, but if i use the live cd, it is mounting it. How can i prevent the live cd to mount this partition, or hor to unmount it?
[07:00] <AndyR> anyone here op in #ubuntu?
[07:00] <brezel> melonipoika: swapoff -a
[07:01] <mister_roboto> CyberMad: you should use "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" for that
[07:01] <melonipoika> thanks
[07:01] <melonipoika> brezel: at booting time or in the console once started?
[07:02] <brezel> you can do that anytime in a root shell
[07:02] <CyberMad> mister_roboto does it support latest update of package?
[07:02] <brezel> it is not a boot option
[07:02] <mister_roboto> CyberMad: updating a CVS working copy won't do anything about the compiled versions you have installed
[07:02] <melonipoika> ok, thanks
[07:02] <brezel> yw
[07:02] <mister_roboto> CyberMad: that's what "dist-upgrade" does
[07:02] <CyberMad> thanks :)
[07:03] <mister_roboto> CyberMad: the "update" part first updates your local database of packages, then the upgrade part will get you to the latest version
[07:05] <LiteHedded> why does it fail when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[07:07] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody use krusader for ftp?
[07:07] <MetaMorfoziS> any way to store my ftp accounts?
[07:07] <MetaMorfoziS> and acces to it like total commander?
[07:07] <MetaMorfoziS> hi stratovarius, magyar vagy?
[07:07] <stratovarius> hi all
[07:07] <stratovarius> what does "hda: no DRQ after issuing MULTIWRITE" mean?pl shelp me to solve this problem
[07:08] <mike> i'm getting all kinds of problems when I attempt to compile anything
[07:08] <mike> what do I need
[07:08] <mike> (package wise)
[07:08] <mike> is there a paste bot?
[07:09] <CyberMad> thanks mister_roboto
[07:09] <brezel> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:09] <stratovarius> nopbody can help me pls
[07:09] <brezel> stratovarius: what is the problem?
[07:09] <brezel> just this message?
[07:09] <stratovarius> what does "hda: no DRQ after issuing MULTIWRITE" mean?pl shelp me to solve this problem
[07:09] <brezel> or does anything actually not work?
[07:11] <mike> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/540367
[07:11] <mike> it looks like i'm just missing something essential
[07:11] <mike> what is it
[07:12] <brezel> mike: bc6-dev or a c compiler
[07:12] <brezel> libc6-dev
[07:13] <mike> ah
[07:13] <mike> ya that would do it
[07:13] <mike> i knew it was something essential i just forgot what
[07:13] <brezel> ^^
[07:14] <brezel> man i like this channel :) helping people is fun from time to time :)
[07:14] <MetaMorfoziS> @ first startup (after install) kde asks me about my performance
[07:14] <MetaMorfoziS> and i'm setted the scrollbar (stupidly) the max
[07:14] <stratovarius> hi again
[07:14] <MetaMorfoziS> where can i set it again?
[07:15] <mike> ah brezel you my hero
[07:15] <brezel> :D
[07:15] <mike> who you like for the game?
[07:16] <brezel> what?
[07:16] <mike> superbowl
[07:16] <brezel> oh, i'm neither from the US nor into sports sorry ^^
[07:16] <stratovarius> brezel (i think u were trying to help me) that message appears me when I boot my system. sometimes it appears me during the module loading, sometimes after starting hotplug subsystem, sometime after setting the system clock can u help me?
[07:16] <mister_roboto> mike: build-essential
[07:17] <sabin> why can't I see the the other partitions on the same hd as my kubuntu install?
[07:17] <brezel> stratovarius: what i wanted to know: does it actually cause any errors?
[07:17] <stratovarius> brezel in what sense
[07:17] <as_28> hello
[07:17] <stratovarius> ?
[07:17] <as_28> hello murchadh
[07:18] <stratovarius> brezel that error slows my system boot
[07:18] <brezel> stratovarius: you can access the disk correctly but you want to correct that message is that right?
[07:18] <sabin> I want to see my PClinuxOS install but it tells me that it's unavailable when I try to mount it
[07:18] <brezel> ok
[07:18] <stratovarius> brezel yeah I do
[07:18] <as_28> I am having problems with my wifi card
[07:18] <brezel> looks like a kernel message. do you have a strange IDE chip and an old kernel version?
[07:18] <as_28> its strange becouse it let me enable foir just a second and then it get back disabled
[07:19] <stratovarius> brezel I think it a kernel problem too. wait for a while I'll tell u my kernel
[07:20] <as_28> any help?
[07:20] <stratovarius> brezel
[07:20] <stratovarius> brezel 2.6.12-10-386
[07:20] <brezel> yes
[07:20] <mister_roboto> as_28: any clues at the end of /var/log/messages?
[07:21] <as_28> let me see
[07:21] <brezel> try to upgrade to 2.6.14 and make sure the drivers for your IDE chip are in the kernel
[07:21] <matahari> hi
[07:21] <as_28> thank you msiter_roboto for awnser
[07:21] <matahari> i wanted to ask which xorg version kubuntu breezy uses
[07:21] <mister_roboto> as_28: well that was easy  ;^)
[07:22] <as_28> now
[07:22] <as_28> i am opeing the log
[07:22] <as_28> whatdo i have to look?
[07:22] <stratovarius> brezel and I try to downgrade???this error appeared me after my system update and the kernel was one of the avaible updates
[07:23] <stratovarius> * can I try to downgrade?
[07:23] <brezel> downgrade?
[07:23] <brezel> hmm
[07:23] <brezel> i wouldn't do that
[07:23] <mister_roboto> as_28: look toward the end of the file for some sort of errors having to do with networking. you could try "tail -f" on the file while you enable the card to watch as it happens
[07:23] <brezel> i would try to bake my own kernel that has the correct drivers for your ide chip compiled into it :)
[07:23] <as_28> mister_roboto: it says CLOSED DEVICE at the end of the log
[07:23] <stratovarius> ok u suggest me to update my kernel.how can I do that?
[07:23] <as_28> let me try to bring it up and see if anything changes in the log
[07:25] <as_28> mister_roboto: when i tyoe dhclient in the konsole it says sit0: unknown hardware adderss type 776 and the a bunch of  lines
[07:25] <brezel> either install a newer precompiled kernel (i think the package is called linux-image-something) or compile one yourself.http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO.html
[07:25] <mister_roboto> matahari: Xorg -version
[07:26] <matahari> mister_roboto: i don't have kubuntu installed
[07:26] <mister_roboto> as_28: ok, i guess your problem is no driver is getting installed for the device. but I have no clue how to fix it
[07:26] <matahari> i want to know the xorg version before i download it
[07:26] <stratovarius> brezel tnx
[07:26] <mister_roboto> matahari: X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Ubuntu 6.8.2-77 20051010174523 root@vernadsky.buildd)
[07:27] <brezel> yw :)
[07:27] <matahari> this is the newest KUbuntu?
[07:27] <as_28> but its strange becouse its there in the hardware devices panel
[07:27] <mister_roboto> matahari: breezy, updated as of yesterday
[07:28] <matahari> okay... that#s not good
[07:28] <mister_roboto> as_28: this is a pcmcia card?
[07:28] <matahari> how about the development version? is there xorg 7.0 inside?
[07:28] <as_28> no
[07:28] <as_28> is in the laptop that i am using
[07:29] <mister_roboto> matahari: dunno. might try reading the kubuntu wiki for the info on what's in Dapper if nobody can answer
[07:30] <mister_roboto> as_28: sorry, man. no clue
[07:30] <as_28> mister_roboto: no problema thanks again
[07:31] <mister_roboto> as_28: any unusual messages when you do an "ifdown" and "ifup"?
[07:31] <matahari> okay... thanks
[07:31] <matahari> bye
[07:31] <as_28> mister_roboto: let me see
[07:31] <as_28> what do i have to type exactly
[07:32] <up> does anyone have (k)ubuntu running on an ibm/lenovo thinkpad r52?
[07:32] <mister_roboto> well, personally, I would start a "tail -f /var/log/messages" to watch that, then do "sudo ifdown" followed by "sudo ifup" when it finished
[07:33] <as_28> when i type ifdown wlan0 it say: ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
[07:34] <Ilokaasu> im not sure if this helps but my laptops wlan was eth0
[07:34] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[07:34] <stratovarius> brezel can I compile my kernel again to unable multiwrite?
[07:34] <mister_roboto> as_28: ok, that's progress :)    you either have to figure out how to use "iwconfig" or config your card through whatever networking gui admin tool you have
[07:35] <brezel> stratovarius: probably you can also do that with hdparm
[07:35] <as_28> mister_roboto: what do you mean about gui admin tool: KDE?
[07:35] <mister_roboto> as_28: in KDE, I just use "system settings" gui
[07:35] <stratovarius> hdparam???can u guide me to do that?
[07:35] <brezel> stratovarius: ut it would be better if multiwrite would just work properly
[07:35] <mister_roboto> as_28: yes
[07:35] <brezel> man hdparm
[07:35] <brezel> :)
[07:35] <as_28> mister_roboto: i did went there
[07:35] <as_28> mister_roboto: but when i enable the card 2 seconds later it sets disabled again
[07:35] <mister_roboto> as_28:  and?   did you set up your wifi?
[07:36] <mister_roboto> as_28: oh, I see.
[07:36] <as_28> mister_roboto: and i know the network works becouse i have my desktop pc running with windows and it get the wifi conection
[07:37] <mister_roboto> as_28: and the only message you see when you enable it is "DEVICE CLOSED" or something like that? nothing else?
[07:38] <as_28> not even that it just get again in DISABLED state
[07:38] <mister_roboto> as_28; by "message" I mean something showing up in /var/log/messages. There should be SOMETHING there when you attempt to enable it
[07:39] <as_28> ok, let me see
[07:39] <maverick> hi all
[07:41] <as_28> mister_roboto: the log file says
[07:42] <as_28> mister_roboto: get_mask 0x00000000, set mask 0x00000040
[07:43] <as_28> mister_roboto: setting_ RXconfig to 2000:0000
[07:43] <as_28> mister_roboto: get_mask 0x00000000, set_mask 0x0000000 - after update
[07:43] <maverick> hmmm
[07:44] <maverick> anyone here up for helping me set up? repositrys?
[07:44] <as_28> mister_roboto: FIXME: most likely needs refinement, first
[07:44] <maverick> cant seem get that up and install apts
[07:45] <Snake__> ubotu: tell maverick about sources
[07:45] <maverick> cheers
[07:45] <maverick> gonna go check that
[07:45] <Snake__> :)
[07:45] <Snake__> Alright
[07:46] <maverick> ahh one prob they ask for programe called synaptic?
[07:46] <maverick> i havent got that
[07:46] <maverick> but got aptet?
[07:46] <maverick> aptget*
[07:46] <Snake__> maverick: hold on a moment alright?
[07:46] <Snake__> !sources
[07:46] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:46] <Snake__> let me read over how they tell you to do it
[07:46] <maverick> oky
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: are you using adept?
[07:48] <maverick> yep
[07:48] <maverick> worked out how to install it
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: okay, start adept
[07:48] <maverick> found synaptic installed it
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: wait. what program are you using
[07:48] <maverick> adept
[07:48] <maverick> cant seem find synaptic
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: okay
[07:48] <maverick> k
[07:48] <Snake__> maverick: open adept
[07:49] <as_2804> mister_roboto: stil there?
[07:49] <maverick> k
[07:49] <Snake__> maverick: then in the corner it says "adept" click that, and click "manage respritorys"
[07:49] <maverick> yep
[07:49] <Snake__> maverick: I assume your trying to get univers and multiverse repos?
[07:49] <maverick> hmm
[07:49] <maverick> well iam trying ety
[07:50] <maverick> get java
[07:50] <maverick> azurus
[07:50] <Snake__> maverick: what are you trying to do with your respritorys
[07:50] <Snake__> maverick: ahh okay
[07:50] <maverick> and get movied
[07:50] <maverick> movies*
[07:50] <maverick> an dvd to work
[07:50] <maverick> heard there in repositery?
[07:50] <Snake__> maverick: okay, see where it says "Universe and Multiverse" on the side?
[07:50] <maverick> yeaH
[07:50] <Snake__> maverick: right click any ones that have that and click "enable"
[07:50] <maverick> K
[07:51] <Snake__> maverick: then click fetch updates
[07:51] <maverick> K
[07:51] <maverick> OKY DONE
[07:51] <Snake__> maverick: then when its done, look for whatever you need
[07:51] <maverick>  sorry now wat ?
[07:51] <maverick> oky :D
[07:51] <maverick> they got all wat i need?
[07:52] <maverick> do ya think?
[07:52] <Snake__> maverick: I dont think azurus is in the repos, but I know the java you need it
[07:52] <maverick> oky
[07:52] <Snake__> ubotu: tell maverick about java
[07:53] <Snake__> maverick: follow that link ubotu gave you, and install "Blackdown Java 1.4"
[07:53] <as_2804> i got these message whrn i try to enabled the wifi card: FIXME: most likely needs refinement, first
[07:54] <as_2804> anyone knows how to fix this?
[07:54] <maverick> oky
[07:54] <maverick> cheers
[07:54] <Snake__> Yep
[07:56] <as_2804> any help?
[07:56] <maverick> snake cant find it
[07:56] <maverick> :(
[07:56] <maverick> j2 one
[07:56] <Snake__> maverick: did you fetch updates?
[07:57] <maverick> yeah
[07:57] <Snake__> maverick: hmmm hold on a minute ok?
[07:58] <maverick> oky
[07:58] <maverick> maybe iam not on admin account?
[07:58] <kkathman> trying to install java or what?
[07:58] <Snake__> maverick: ahh crap I see what I did
[07:58] <ClayG> is it possible to have working (to the outside world also) subdomains without setting up dns servers? can you have mysite.com , through either entry in the hosts or maybe vhosts, i dunno
[07:58] <maverick> oh?
[07:58] <Snake__> maverick: go back to the manage respritories area
[07:58] <maverick> k
[07:59] <Snake__> maverick: re-enable the "universe" and multiverse ones
[07:59] <Snake__> maverick: then press "apply"
[07:59] <Snake__> maverick: then click the button that says "close" next to it
[07:59] <Snake__> maverick: then fetch updates :)
[08:00] <confuzed> anyone with experience of installing pbpbb with a mysqldatabase? I'm experiencing some problems with the database connectivity
[08:00] <as_2804> hello
[08:00] <as_2804> any help with wifi enabled a card?
[08:00] <maverick> nope :(
[08:01] <kkathman> maverick:  whats the problem?
[08:01] <maverick> not coming up the j2 file
[08:02] <maverick> in apt
[08:02] <maverick> ive done wat snake said
[08:02] <maverick> added universe reps
[08:02] <maverick> seems not to come up
[08:02] <kkathman> you got java installed?
[08:03] <maverick> not sure
[08:03] <maverick> dnt know
[08:03] <maverick> too be honest
[08:03] <maverick> jsut been told that i need it before i can install
[08:03] <maverick> azeurus
[08:03] <kkathman> !javadeb
[08:03] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun and IBM java packages can be found at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:04] <Snake__> maverick: did that work?
[08:04] <maverick> nope
[08:04] <maverick> cant find
[08:04] <kkathman> Snake__:  he cant verify he has java installed
[08:04] <maverick> j2.14 ( black one)
[08:04] <maverick> or
[08:04] <maverick> java sun
[08:04] <maverick> in the apts
[08:04] <kkathman> the one in multiverse I'd say
[08:05] <maverick> ?
[08:05] <Snake__> kkathman: no, he cant see to get his repos working...because it should be in the repos
[08:05] <kkathman> read his sources.list then
[08:05] <kkathman> post them in the pastebin
[08:05] <kkathman> then make sure they are correct
[08:05] <maverick> err
[08:05] <maverick> iam proper noob mate
[08:05] <Snake__> kkathman: can I tell him to sudo kate?
[08:05] <kkathman> no
[08:06] <Snake__> kkathman: I didnt think so
[08:06] <kkathman> not sudo..NEVER sudo a kde
[08:06] <maverick> sudo the comand one right?
[08:06] <kkathman> kdesu kate  then edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <Snake__> maverick: do what kkathman just said :)
[08:06] <kkathman> using sudo with kde apps can corrupt your system
[08:07] <maverick> kdesu?
[08:07] <kkathman> yer in KDE right?
[08:07] <maverick> from terminal?
[08:07] <kkathman> alt-f2  then type  kdesu kate
[08:07] <maverick> type dat
[08:08] <maverick> it loaded kate
[08:08] <maverick> but opened empty file?
[08:08] <maverick> found it
[08:08] <maverick> wat do i edit it with?
[08:08] <maverick> i mean add?
[08:08] <Snake__> ubotu: tell maverick about sources
[08:08] <Snake__> again :)
[08:09] <maverick> :)
[08:09] <Snake__> maverick: add the offical breezy sources
[08:09] <maverick> oky
[08:09] <maverick> loading site now
[08:10] <maverick> shall i copy and paste
[08:10] <maverick> from site rewrite wat i got?
[08:10] <maverick> i got alot of commentary
[08:10] <Snake__> maverick: Erase your whole sources.list and paste in the offical one
[08:10] <maverick> on my current one
[08:10] <maverick> k
[08:11] <maverick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 official right?
[08:11] <Snake__> maverick: looks good
[08:11] <zblach> how can one set bootsplash screens in kde 3.5.1?
[08:11] <maverick> it seems smaller?
[08:11] <kkathman> be sure to remove the cd-rom line if its there
[08:11] <maverick> the wat i currently got
[08:11] <Snake__> maverick: thats not a issue
[08:12] <Snake__> kkathman: I had him clean the whole sources.list
[08:12] <kkathman> okies
[08:12] <Snake__> maverick: just erase all you've got and put the whole new list in
[08:12] <as_2804> hello
[08:12] <kkathman> be sure to do a sudo apt-get update  at the command line before anything else
[08:12] <maverick> ok done it and saved it
[08:12] <Snake__> maverick: tell me when youve done that
[08:12] <maverick> jsut save right?
[08:12] <Snake__> maverick: see where the single "#" are?
[08:13] <maverick> yeah
[08:13] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[08:13] <Snake__> not the double, but anywhere theres a single #, remove it
[08:13] <Snake__> maverick: or "comment it out" as they say ;)
[08:13] <as_2804> anyone know wifi enabled
[08:13] <MetaMorfoziS> where can i set the global character encoding?
[08:13] <maverick> done
[08:13] <Snake__> maverick: now save
[08:13] <maverick> k
[08:13] <Snake__> maverick: now in a terminal do "sudo apt-get update"
[08:14] <maverick> now wat?
[08:14] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm isntalled few thems, and some characters replaced with a square
[08:14] <maverick> now wat?
[08:14] <maverick> snake?
[08:14] <MetaMorfoziS> i want to set globally 8859-2
[08:14] <Snake__> maverick: now try this- one moment
[08:14] <maverick> k
[08:15] <Snake__> maverick: sudo apt-get install j2re1.4
[08:16] <Snake__> maverick: did it work?
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody?
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> character encoding?:((
[08:17] <Snake__> MetaMorfoziS: not sure, sorry :(
[08:17] <maverick> its d/l amd installing looking good :P
[08:17] <maverick> seemd done whoo :P
[08:17] <Snake__> maverick: yay!
[08:17] <Snake__> :)
[08:17] <maverick> ty snake
[08:17] <Snake__> maverick: now go get the azurus client
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> nowhere a reconfigure kde?
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> or etc?
[08:17] <maverick> ty kkathman
[08:18] <maverick> iam gonn go see :P
[08:18] <as_2804> how do i find out what model is my wifi card in the konsole?
[08:20] <maverick> lol snake
[08:20] <as_2804> anyone?
[08:20] <maverick> hey snake is my adept not working right?
[08:20] <maverick> doenst seem find files?
[08:21] <Snake__> maverick: it should work now ;)
[08:21] <maverick> oky
[08:21] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm reobooted:(
[08:22] <MetaMorfoziS> and the character coding is'nt solved...
[08:22] <MetaMorfoziS> some characters are replaced with []  :((
[08:22] <maverick> hmm nope wont find win32 codecs :(
[08:22] <Snake__> maverick: thats not in the repos
[08:22] <MetaMorfoziS> where i can set to 8859-2?
[08:22] <MetaMorfoziS> any idea?
[08:22] <Snake__> maverick: you have to download that one
[08:23] <hawking> what is the easiest way to make a program start at startup?
[08:23] <maverick> oh
[08:24] <maverick> oky
[08:24] <Snake__> maverick: I assume you know where to get it?
[08:24] <Snake__> maverick: and theres a special way to install it when you get it, ill tell you how to do that when its done
[08:27] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[08:27] <MetaMorfoziS> hoho cool
[08:28] <MetaMorfoziS> where can i set the performance-using in kde?
[08:29] <ilba7r> anyone know how to change the path in gnome
[08:29] <Snake__> ilba7r: path?
[08:30] <ilba7r> yap snake the default search path for appl run from gnome terminal
[08:30] <ilba7r> sorry gnome menus
[08:30] <mike> how do i tell what display number my X display is
[08:31] <Snake__> ah not sure
[08:31] <Snake__> brb
[08:31] <ilba7r> Snake__, no prob
[08:32] <sean_micken> i am getting loads of errors in my .xsession file like "end from FAM server connection" .. running kde 3.5.1
[08:32] <sean_micken> i especially get a lot when running amarok
[08:34] <Snake__> maverick: So whats up?
[08:38] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[08:40] <mmartel> UT2004 randomly crashes after playing for a few minutes (It's patched, and I have libstdc++5.3.3 and nvidia-glx enabled)...my screen blanks and a sound rapidly repeats, and I have to reboot my computer. Anyone know a fix?
[08:47] <OddAbe19> is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop like in a stock KDE setup?
[08:48] <maverick> snake u about?
[08:50] <Snake__> maverick: yo
[08:51] <maverick> hi nake
[08:51] <Snake__> maverick: go to the PM, its easier to trouble shoot
[08:51] <maverick> oky :D
[08:59] <Snake__> !mp3
[08:59] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:01] <LeeJunFan> is there a "known issues" page for breezy w/ 3.5.1? I've got dapper on here how but not being able to print is getting to me, but don't know if I should go with 3.5.0 or 3.5.1 yet.
[09:02] <Jecos> 3.5.1 has issues with keyboard layouts(they are missing).. which sounds like a bug that snuck in when they were packaged..
[09:02] <Jecos> got to 3.5.0
[09:03] <kkathman> 3.5.1 is very buggy
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> okay, thanks. I had 3.5.0 on breezy before w/ only tiny issues.
[09:04] <Jecos> Im sure it will get ironed out soon though
[09:04] <superdump> hello
[09:04] <superdump> i'm trying to find the package that includes the X headers
[09:04] <superdump> but i'm having little luck
[09:04] <superdump> does anyone know what it is called?
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> xserver-xorg-dev
[09:05] <superdump> is it in universe?
[09:06] <Jecos> just add main universe multiverse restricted to all three mirrors to make sure you have everything
[09:07] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I had some "minor issues" but others have had more serious ones...as usual, it depends on the personal installation
[09:07] <kkathman> but there are KDE only things that are flaky too
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: remember, I'm charmed during installations :p
[09:09] <kkathman> well, LeeJunFan you most certainly dont have the same install as me
[09:09] <kkathman> or anyone :)
[09:10] <kkathman> so thats good
[09:10] <superdump> xserver-xorg-dev isn't in breezy
[09:10] <superdump> in any of the pools
[09:10] <Jecos> what do you need it for?
[09:10] <superdump> compiling konversation
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: well, we will see too because this will be the first time in some time I've done i386. So I'll prob have the same crap luck everyone else does.
[09:10] <kkathman> on my SUSE, I upgraded from 3.4.0 to 3.5.0 with absolutely no flaws whatsoever...but going from 3.4.3 to 3.5.0  in Kubuntu was loaded with errors...so???
[09:11] <kkathman> its just what has to be updated and how much...and what apps are there
[09:11] <superdump> and i'll need it for compiling mplayer later too
[09:11] <Jecos> config files should be replaced.. but usually pack managers don't replace them
[09:12] <Jecos> compile mplayer for what?
[09:12] <Jecos> so it will look better?
[09:13] <superdump> i'm an mplayer developer
[09:14] <Jecos> ah ok
[09:14] <superdump> and konversation 0.19 is much better than 0.18, but the package in dapper is built on kde 3.5.blah and i don't want to upgrade yet, so i'm going to compile it myself
[09:14] <superdump> on top of kde 3.4.blah
[09:15] <Jecos> yeah...
[09:15] <superdump> i was trying out dapper last night :)
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> yeah, it seems -dev is only in dapper, lemme take a look on another system.
[09:15] <superdump> xorg 7 will be awesome once all the composite stuff is working properly
[09:15] <superdump> for window transparency, fading, drop shadows, etc etc
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> amd drivers will still suck at it though I suspect.
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> err ati
[09:16] <Jecos> not the opensource ones
[09:17] <superdump> i was using nvidia binary drivers
[09:17] <superdump> but it appeared to be doing it all in software
[09:17] <GameOver69> lately my wmv videos run choppy inmplayer?
[09:17] <GameOver69> any reason?>
[09:17] <Jecos> it pretty much is, glxcompmgr wil be so much better
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> superdump: libx11-dev ?
[09:18] <superdump> that's what i thought
[09:18] <superdump> but alas no
[09:19] <superdump> Jecos: well, it was crawling on my 3700+ so it must have been trying to do shitloads
[09:19] <superdump> :)
[09:19] <superdump> it was doing fade in/out of transparent windows
[09:20] <Jecos> well i ran kompmgr on my k7 2800+ and igp320m and it didn't run to well but wasn't horrible.. just lagged a little
[09:20] <RickKnight> Can someone tell me just what is "Live CD"?
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> RickKnight: it runs from your CD w/o installing anything on your hd.
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> RickKnight: it will of course be much slower than running from hd.
[09:23] <superdump> much slower starting stuff up... or whenever it would normally have to access the hdd
[09:23] <superdump> i also need the X headers for an opengl library i'm using for a university project
[09:25] <Wolf> Hi everyone!
[09:31] <RickKnight> LeeJunFan: Is the Dapper Live CD supposed to work that way?
[09:32] <superdump> hmm, i might just use dapper and get you guys to help me fix any problems i encounter :B
[09:32] <RickKnight> LeeJunFan: Right now it's resizing partitions on my drive!
[09:33] <superdump> though i had a problem when trying to compile something last night
[09:33] <Jecos> you really should only encouter the timezone issue and keyboard layout issue
[09:33] <superdump> it was some bash problem or something on an install script
[09:33] <superdump> for blah in blah do\
[09:33] <superdump> if blah then\
[09:33] <superdump> blah
[09:34] <superdump> was being parsed as doif
[09:34] <superdump> => b0rked
[09:37] <superdump> do dapper-updates and dapper-security exist? and would you recommend using main universe multiverse and restricted with dapper yet?
[09:37] <brodel> how can I reset KDE somehow to show the changes I made to the panel now?
[09:38] <tafsen> When I run ./configure I get this error: checking for KDE... configure: error:
[09:41] <Jecos> yah I run all those repositories in dapper
[09:41] <tafsen> Jecos: talking to me?
[09:41] <Jecos> no what are you trying to build?
[09:42] <tafsen> baghira theme
[09:42] <Jecos> its in the repositories.. is there a new version that runs better ?
[09:43] <tafsen> apt-get install baghira ?
[09:43] <Jecos> apt-get install kwin-baghira
[09:43] <Wolf> Is there a program like YaKuake for Gnome?
[09:43] <Jecos> I don't think so..
[09:43] <Jecos> yakuake is nice though
[09:44] <Wolf> Yeah
[09:44] <Wolf> It messes up on Gnome.
[09:44] <tafsen> If I installed Kubuntu trough Ubuntu, do I need to change the source,list then?
[09:44] <Wolf> No..
[09:45] <Wolf> Just type in 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[09:45] <superdump> Jecos: here goes the big update
[09:45] <Jecos> have fun
[09:47] <tafsen> Jecos: I didn't find it with apt-get
[09:47] <Wolf> tafsen, Eh...hold on.
[09:49] <Jecos> make sure you don't upper case anything
[09:54] <tafsen> Witch version is in the repositories?
[09:56] <Wolf> 3.5.0
[09:56] <Wolf> 3.5.1 is in Daper.
[09:56] <Wolf> Dapper*
[09:56] <Jecos> 3.5.0 is in a seperate repository then breezy though
[09:56] <Wolf> You can upgrade to that, by changing the reposiories.
[09:57] <Jecos> it was released after breezy... did they throw it in breezy-updates?
[09:57] <Wolf> I thnk so.
[09:58] <tafsen> talking about Baghira :p
[09:58] <KaZoiTeZ> good evening
[09:58] <garnix> Hi
[09:59] <KaZoiTeZ> hallo garnix
[09:59] <KaZoiTeZ> can i ask a question ? about kubuntu help ?
[09:59] <garnix> Can someone give me a hand, I am trying to get a server (ccxstream, but that's not relevant) to start at startup. I've created a script for it in etc/init.d and the script works
[09:59] <garnix> it's been copied over to rc0.d and others, and seems to be correct
[10:00] <garnix> but when I boot up, it's not running. I am not sure where to look
[10:00] <maverick> yes :D
[10:00] <maverick> cheers snake
[10:00] <garnix> KaZoiTeZ: ask away heh
[10:01] <KaZoiTeZ> my Adept is allways crashing when i try to fetch updates, u use the Dakker Drake beta 3
[10:02] <KaZoiTeZ> dapper drake i mean :)
[10:06] <C-O-L-T> where can I chat with linux users, I mean to know them, like in a real chat network
[10:06] <C-O-L-T> not just talking about bugs and so on :)
[10:07] <KaZoiTeZ> maybe here ?
[10:07] <KaZoiTeZ> ^ ^
[10:08] <Ilokaasu> can somebody help me with Valknut ? i can search in passive mode but download wont start...
[10:12] <KaZoiTeZ> C-O-L-T i cant write your private message, cause im not registered :(
[10:12] <ccc_> Ilokaasu: sorry, no. but i can recommend linuxdc++ instead. however you need to build it yourself. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89603
[10:12] <C-O-L-T> KaZoiTeZ: I see then you should register yourself
[10:12] <fatejudger> sudo gives me the following error when I try and use it: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb  5 20:39:15 2006
[10:13] <KaZoiTeZ> i do ^ ^
[10:13] <KaZoiTeZ> plz wait
[10:13] <C-O-L-T> KaZoiTeZ: the operators won't allow us to chat here
[10:13] <Paradosso> hi everybody
[10:13] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to fix the error above in Dapper?
[10:13] <KaZoiTeZ> maybe ICQ or GaduGadu network ?
[10:13] <fatejudger> as it stands, I can't use sudo
[10:13] <Paradosso> in my repositories I have unpaired versions of libssl and libssl-dev, which prevents me to install major kde packages
[10:14] <Paradosso> anybody has any hints on how to solve this?
[10:14] <KaZoiTeZ> oh so many ppl that ask questions and no answers :(
[10:14] <KaZoiTeZ> where are the "pros" ?
[10:15] <fatejudger> Paradosso: at least you can install packages
[10:16] <fatejudger> Paradosso: I can't even change my date and time!
[10:16] <KaZoiTeZ> fatejudger can you change your date and time in the Bios configuration ?
[10:16] <fatejudger> well, I guess I could
[10:16] <KaZoiTeZ> :( hmm
[10:16] <fatejudger> but does that really matter here?
[10:16] <fatejudger> sudo is broken
[10:16] <fatejudger> and I NEED to fix it
[10:18] <KaZoiTeZ> hmm
[10:21] <mike> has anybody else had a problem installing Perl::Tk?
[10:28] <Nilisco> Is kword a decent weord editor for kubuntu?  Anything else I should try besides abiword/openoffice?
[10:29] <Limulus> Hi hi! ^_^
[10:29] <fatejudger> Nilisco: use KOffice
[10:29] <Nilisco> I'll give it a shot fatejudger.  Thanks.
[10:29] <fatejudger> Nilisco: np
[10:29] <Limulus> Just FYI to anyone using i386 and having trouble trying to install kdeedu packages from the 3.5.1 repository
[10:30] <Limulus> I just had a brief chat with Riddell on #kubuntu-devel
[10:30] <tsdgeos> Limulus: you're a kubuntu packager?
[10:30] <Limulus> and he is aware of the problem and will try to resolve it tomorrow by uploading the missing packages :)
[10:30] <mike> is koffice just open for kde or a whole different suite?
[10:31] <tsdgeos> mike: different suite
[10:31] <Limulus> tsdgeos: no, I just noticed that they were missing ;)
[10:31] <tsdgeos> ok, i'll bug Riddell again
[10:31] <mike> interesting
[10:31] <kkathman> mike k-office is like a suite....similar to Open Office
[10:31] <mike> its more feature packed then open office?
[10:31] <kkathman> no
[10:32] <mike> hmm
[10:32] <kkathman> its reasonably new, but has alot of promise
[10:32] <mike> i might check it out, i wasnt really impressed with open office
[10:32] <kkathman> Open Office has been around a while, so has more features I think
[10:32] <kkathman> for most people, there isnt a ton of difference
[10:33] <kkathman> the Krita image editor is a nice alternative to GIMP and is much more intuitive (but less features)
[10:33] <mike> i really need to fix that sudo thing...
[10:33] <fatejudger> mike: it's a lot faster though
[10:33] <fatejudger> mike: and more intuitive
[10:33] <mike> I'm installing it now
[10:33] <brodel> how can I reset KDE somehow to show the changes I made to the panel now?
[10:33] <mike> ya, i just didnt like the interface of open
[10:34] <mike> and its gotta becompatible with excel, because my laptop still runs xp
[10:34] <farous> mike regarding compata openoffice is excellent in that respect i don't know though the case for koffice
[10:35] <LeeJunFan> brodel: some changes require you to log out/in
[10:35] <brodel> as long as you save it in the MS office format it's fine.
[10:41] <PaloDeQueso> I just tried sudo -i and it says, "sudo: must be setuid root".
[10:41] <PaloDeQueso> What happened?
[10:42] <kazoitez> returned
[10:43] <gclark> hello
[10:44] <PaloDeQueso> yea?
[10:44] <gclark> have an installation question when someone has a moment
[10:44] <conn> I have a Dell E773p monitor, and it's not displaying 1024x768 properly. I also can't get it to display 1280x1024 in anything but 60Hz regardless of Xorg.conf's settings. Help, please :)
[10:44] <gclark> trying to get kubuntu 5.1 installed on an Acer Travelmate 2300
[10:44] <PaloDeQueso> I just tried sudo -i and it says, "sudo: must be setuid root"?
[10:45] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: sudo -i is not a valid command
[10:45] <PaloDeQueso> I do it all the time.
[10:45] <PaloDeQueso> I used to until about 5 minutes ago
[10:45] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[10:45] <PaloDeQueso> well even if I use sudo then it still says that
[10:45] <PaloDeQueso> like even sudo mv /something /somehwere
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> it still says that
[10:46] <farous> PaloDeQueso, did you enable the root account by any chance
[10:46] <fatejudger> well I can't help you right now
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> I don't think so
[10:46] <fatejudger> sudo is broken for me too
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> hrm..
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> Hope it wasn't an update
[10:46] <gclark> Question: Install hangs at random times during the install process.  Have tried doing noapic, nolapic, acpi=off, etc.
[10:46] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: I use Dapper
[10:46] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: so I doubt it
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> I'm still with breezy
[10:46] <PaloDeQueso> Is dapper usable?
[10:47] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: yes
[10:47] <PaloDeQueso> last I asked people said it was completely broken.
[10:47] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: but it's constantly changing
[10:47] <PaloDeQueso> Perhaps I'll give it a try.
[10:47] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: things break, and things get fixed
[10:47] <PaloDeQueso> yea, I ran breezy beta for a while
[10:47] <KaZoiTeZ> my dapper drake works fine
[10:47] <fatejudger> PaloDeQueso: it's kind of annoying actually
[10:47] <fatejudger> I can't use the ATI fglrx drivers in Dapper
[10:47] <PaloDeQueso> not yet.
[10:48] <fatejudger> timezones are broken right now
[10:48] <KaZoiTeZ> only my Adept isnt working
[10:48] <farous> PaloDeQueso, try reinstalling sudo or run ksu instead
[10:48] <PaloDeQueso> ksu?
[10:48] <fatejudger> and I broke sudo somehow
[10:48] <fatejudger> by changing the time
[10:48] <farous> PaloDeQueso, it is the graphical front end for sudo might work
[10:48] <PaloDeQueso> How can I reinstall sudo without having sudo available
[10:48] <crimsun> no, that's tty tickets from sudo doing it
[10:49] <PaloDeQueso> I can try kdesu
[10:49] <crimsun> just open an additional konsole and use sudo there
[10:49] <gclark> try using the root terminal and setting the root password there?
[10:49] <PaloDeQueso> I've tried both
[10:49] <fatejudger> no one has any idea why sudo is giving me some timestamp error?
[10:50] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[10:50] <crimsun> fatejudger: I just told you.
[10:50] <fatejudger> sound isn't working right now, I think xine is broken
[10:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: ?
[10:50] <jung> how do i upgrade to kde 3.5.1?
[10:50] <crimsun> fatejudger: read the last two things I typed
[10:50] <KaZoiTeZ> my adept could not get any Packets, only the pakets from the CD no pakets from the internet servers,
[10:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: wasn't that for the other person?
[10:50] <kkathman> fatejudger:  this explains it  http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/man/sudo.html
[10:50] <PaloDeQueso> Has anyone watched the videos for novell linux 10
[10:50] <PaloDeQueso> ?
[10:51] <crimsun> fatejudger: no, your timestamp issue can be worked around using what I typed
[10:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: wtf, why does that work?
[10:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: and how do I fix the actual issue?
[10:51] <crimsun> fatejudger: ...and I told you that, too
[10:51] <chaoticgeek> ok, well I'm having a bit of problems
[10:51] <chaoticgeek> wait.. I will be right back
[10:51] <PaloDeQueso> I don't understand, I just installed xqf with sudo and then boom sudo was broken?!?!?
[10:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: no, you told me the workaround
[10:52] <fatejudger> crimsun: it's kind of difficult to follow what you're saying if you don't highlight my name
[10:53] <crimsun> fatejudger: the issue lies in libc6 dropping timezone, which has migrated to locales
[10:53] <fatejudger> crimsun: so they're doing it the Windows way now?
[10:53] <crimsun> fatejudger: if you want to read why the workaround works, read sudo's documentation on tty tickets
[10:53] <gclark> Question: Install hangs at random times during the install process.  Have tried doing noapic, nolapic, acpi=off.  CD verifies correctly.  Any ideas?
[10:53] <crimsun> fatejudger: "the Windows way"?
[10:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: Windows doesn't offset the time from UMT like Linux does
[10:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: it just sets the system time to the local time
[10:54] <chaoticgeek> ok, ya I'm having problems
[10:54] <crimsun> fatejudger: err no, that hasn't changed at all. The only change is in which actual package ships timezone info.
[10:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: well how do I get the timezones back?
[10:55] <chaoticgeek> Ok, I went to wiki.ubuntu.com and I did the nvidia binary driver install, then I did 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and selected 1280x1024 however I still can not get 1280x1024
[10:55] <crimsun> fatejudger: it should have been fixed with the latest libc6 and locales upgrades
[10:55] <crimsun> fatejudger: otherwise run tzconfig manually
[10:56] <chaoticgeek> on ubuntu I was able to do that right after doing the nvidia binary driver install
[10:56] <mae> did anyone have their timezones dissapear in latest dapper?
[10:56] <PaloDeQueso> ok, it seems no matter how I try to use the root accout, su, sudo, kdesu, etc... it says that same thing.
[10:56] <PaloDeQueso> I'm confused.
[10:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok, thanks
[10:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: that wasn't working before
[10:56] <crimsun> mae: just rerun tzconfig manually
[10:56] <chaoticgeek> anyone have any ideas for me?
[10:57] <fatejudger> I think xine is broken
[10:57] <mae> crimsun: my tz is set correctly, but all the timezones dissapeared -- i can't set diff tz's in applets , it only shows UTC timezone
[10:57] <fatejudger> mae: update
[10:58] <mae> fatejudger: i have run all the updates
[10:58] <fatejudger> mae: then rerun tzconfig
[10:58] <crimsun> if you track Dapper, you need to update hourly
[10:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: seriously
[10:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: although there haven't been any updates today
[10:58] <crimsun> (yeah, the weekend and such)
[11:01] <mae> ok tzconfig just lets me set my localtime
[11:02] <fatejudger> I thought ATI had released a new version of their drivers
[11:02] <mae> like i said my problem is that all the timezones have dissapeared from the kde clock applet
[11:02] <fatejudger> that works with the new kernel
[11:02] <mae> only the default 'c' utc timezone shows up
[11:02] <fatejudger> mae: sudo tzconfig
[11:02] <mae> fatejudger: i did that
[11:02] <mae> fatejudger: all it does is modify /etc/localtime
[11:02] <fatejudger> yea
[11:02] <mae> it doesn't make missing timezones magically appear
[11:04] <fatejudger> mae: well it shows the timezones for me
[11:04] <fatejudger> mae: is xine broken for you?
[11:04] <fatejudger> mae: amarok isn't working with xine
[11:04] <mae> fatejudger: did you grab the latest 3.5.1
[11:04] <mae> nah mine is working
[11:04] <mae> but i noticed they borked the 3.5.1 package quite a bit
[11:05] <mae> amarok gstreamer engine dissappeared
[11:05] <mae> i think my tz issue might also have something to do w/ it :)
[11:06] <fatejudger> mae: yeah, I can't compile amarok with gstreamer
[11:11] <gclark> So no ideas for the installer hangup?
[11:13] <KaZoiTeZ> hey
[11:13] <KaZoiTeZ> my adept could not get any Packets, only the pakets from the CD no pakets from the internet servers,
[11:13] <KaZoiTeZ> is my sources.list
[11:17] <Mazingaro> is there anyone playing with doom3????
[11:20] <KaZoiTeZ> im playing doom3
[11:20] <KaZoiTeZ> but on win32
[11:30] <Steven_M> Does anyonyone know whether kubuntu has a built-in firewall.
[11:30] <Steven_M> ?
[11:31] <aleman> Steven_M: not that I know of
[11:31] <aleman> what I find to be the easiest solution is to download Bastille
[11:31] <Kejk_PL> Steven_M: user@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search firewall kde
[11:31] <Kejk_PL> guarddog - firewall configuration utility for KDE
[11:31] <aleman> it only takes like 4 mins to have it up and running
[11:34] <Kaiser_Sleeps> Steven_M: the firewall is part of the kernel - iptables
[11:35] <Kaiser_Sleeps> it's the configuration gui that you have to find for yourself (and there's plenty about)
[11:35] <Steven_M> thanks both of you. Does it it work when you're in other window managers too?
[11:36] <Zappa> anyone tried to run kylix 3 on ubuntu? i'm getting some odd error
[11:36] <Steven_M> brb
[11:43] <morgajel|draccus> quick question- a friend installed kubuntu and is having soundcard issues. I told him to run alsaconf, but he says it doesn't exist, depsite alsa-utils being installed.  any idea why it isn't there, or if it got moved to a different package?
[11:43] <crimsun> *buntu doesn't install alsaconf
[11:44] <morgajel|draccus> crimsun: hrm.
[11:44] <morgajel|draccus> well, is there a workaround? that's pretty important functionality
[11:45] <crimsun> he needs to describe to me what his config is
[11:46] <morgajel|draccus> alright, let me herd him in here.
[11:46] <morgajel|draccus> crimsun: brad is the one having issues
[11:47] <brad> hi
[11:47] <crimsun> hi
[11:47] <crimsun> must be in the charlotte area
[11:47] <brad> i appreciate you taking the time to help me
[11:47] <morgajel|draccus> brad: ok, explain the issue from the top
[11:47] <brad> i am
[11:49] <brad> ok, I just installed kubuntu. My machine is a 1 year old clone box with a via onboard sound card.  I have installed most of the packages that it seems like I should.  I have a screen shot of what the OS thinks is installed here : http://braddoro.com/private/kinfocenter.png  I have tested the speakers, they work.  and when I play a song, the player THINKS it is playing it. I see the sound abrd moving and the song tracking
[11:50] <Nomad411> brad: Check what settings you have with kmix?
[11:50] <Nomad411> could somethign be mute?
[11:50] <brad> Nomad411:  the volume is up on everything, is that what you mean?
[11:50] <Nomad411> and unmuted too I'm sure :)
[11:51] <Nomad411> Then your player may be set to output to something else than your speakers..
[11:51] <brad> glowing means unmuted, right?
[11:51] <Nomad411> I think so :)
[11:51] <Nomad411> And, I'm sure you checked, but the speakers are plugged in to the proper outlet? (Green I think)
[11:52] <Nomad411> Just eliminating the obvious things
[11:52] <brad> Nomad411: hehe, yes I checked
[11:52] <Nomad411> good :)
[11:52] <brad> and I plugged them into a seperate source and they play
[11:52] <Nomad411> then check into the output of the player maybe
[11:52] <Nomad411> different players?
[11:52] <crimsun> pastebin the output from ``amixer'' in a Konsole onto pastebin
[11:52] <Nomad411> !vmplayer
[11:52] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[11:53] <brad> i tried xmms, kaffene and amaroak
[11:53] <Nomad411> ummm
[11:53] <Nomad411> what are you playing, a CD or a file?
[11:53] <brad> i ahve tried both but right now I am playing a file I just ripped
[11:54] <brad> crimsun:  I don't understand how to do that
[11:54] <crimsun> open a Konsole, type amixer, and paste the output onto the http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org Web site
[11:54] <brad> aah
[11:56] <brad> here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8082
[11:59] <crimsun> brad: are you actually using the optical/digital output?
[11:59] <brad> uuuh
[11:59] <brad> i don't think so
[12:00] <PaloDeQueso> Can I use a live boot disc to fix my sudo problem?
[12:00] <brad> I'm just using the normal output that I have always used
[12:00] <Nomad411> Does anyone know if the vmplayer plays windows XP?
[12:00] <PaloDeQueso> anytime I try to use sudo, su, kdesu or anything like that, it says. "sudo: must be setuid root"