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| Madpilot | mdke: ping | 01:04 |
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| Madpilot | mdke: new GPG key is at Launchpad & on the keyservers, so if you could talk to elmo or whoever about commit-rights, that'd be cool. thanks. | 01:05 |
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| theCore | LaserJock, I'm up again! | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | great! | 01:20 |
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| lambert | If someone references a trademark name on the wiki, (is windows trademarked?) does the trademark need to be noted? | 03:13 |
| Kyral | lambert: Like? | 03:16 |
| Kyral | lambert: you can say "Windows" without the TM | 03:17 |
| lambert | kyral: If someone said "users of the windows operating system might find this next hint ...." | 03:18 |
| Kyral | oh yah thats fine | 03:18 |
| lambert | any situation where a trademark would be needed? | 03:19 |
| Kyral | uhh | 03:19 |
| lambert | just curious | 03:19 |
| Kyral | IANAL | 03:19 |
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| Kyral | I Am Not A Laywer | 03:20 |
| theCore_ | I wouldn't bother too much about the Windows trademark | 03:21 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: so are you able to work on the packaging guide now that you've got a new hard drive? | 05:04 |
| theCore | i'm working on it | 05:05 |
| theCore | I'm doing an intro about the various skills you need to do packaging | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | oh cool, what section would it go in? | 05:07 |
| theCore | Getting Started ? | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | sounds good, what kind of skills are you thinking of? | 05:09 |
| theCore | make, autoconf ( the very basic ), diff, patch, etc... | 05:10 |
| theCore | apt | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 05:13 |
| crimsun | I'd advocate autoconf being in the more advanced section | 05:13 |
| crimsun | make, diff, and patch-- yes | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | theCore: hmm, we need to be careful not to attempt too much so that we can't get it done for Dapper or overwhelm the reader before the even get started with the packaging | 05:14 |
| crimsun | right, that's why I think autoconf belongs in a more advanced setion | 05:15 |
| crimsun | section^ | 05:15 |
| theCore | LaserJock, I just made some really quick intros with some references | 05:15 |
| theCore | crimsun, I just talked about how to make and use configure script | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | sounds good, I think a reference with a quick example would be good | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | it is easy to want to explain "everything" about packaging but that would really include way too much material. | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | also keep in mind that there will be an Ubuntu Developer's Reference for dapper too | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | so we want to keep the guide style | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | theCore: but I think it is a good idea, send me the patches when you have a chance | 05:18 |
| theCore | np | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: have you had a chance to take a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html ? | 05:22 |
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| crimsun | LaserJock: yeah, I have; I'll send some patches later | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: very cool, thank you so much | 05:31 |
| theCore | I must go, cya later | 05:44 |
| theCore | LaserJock, I will send you the patch tomorrow | 05:45 |
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| kagou | hi | 10:22 |
| kagou | i'm searching how translation process is working ... | 10:26 |
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| dsas | kagou: I don't think the docs are ready to be translated yet | 10:31 |
| dsas | kagou: Presuming you did mean translating the ubuntu documentation? | 10:32 |
| kagou | ok dsas, yes , ubuntu-documentation | 10:32 |
| kagou | the job is done with rosetta ? | 10:32 |
| dsas | kagou: Yeah, that's the usual way of doing it for ubuntu | 10:33 |
| dsas | kagou: I think some of the docs will be ready soon. | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | not yet but mdke already created POT files for it | 10:35 |
| kagou | is there specific mailing/list or chan for french translator?! i'v just found #ubuntu-translators | 10:36 |
| Madpilot | kagou: there's also #ubuntu-fr, you might ask there | 10:36 |
| kagou | nothing in this chan Madpilot just users needing help | 10:37 |
| kagou | i'm waiting for seb128 | 10:38 |
| dsas | kagou: There's two mailing lists, I guess https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-fr-l10n is the translation team one. | 10:38 |
| kagou | great ! | 10:39 |
| dsas | kagou: I'd guess https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-fr is user help but in French | 10:40 |
| kagou | yes dsas | 10:40 |
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| mdke | morning | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | hi mdke | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 12:06 |
| mdke | hiya | 12:08 |
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| jsgotangco | these language bugs....are we still responsible for these? | 12:10 |
| mdke | yes we are | 12:10 |
| mdke | but I will close them as wontfix soon | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah ok | 12:10 |
| mdke | because I certainly don't think they are important enough to justify an upload to breezy-changes | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | beacuse i have no idea what to do with these | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | no they're trivial | 12:10 |
| mdke | yep. the docs in those languages still work | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just have dinner first and let's talk about stuff more | 12:11 |
| mdke | okay, i should be around for a bit later | 12:11 |
| jsgotangco | no problem its only 7pm here anyways | 12:11 |
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| mdke | do you guys think that we should have an entry in the desktopguide about using nautilus as root | 03:52 |
| mdke | ? | 03:52 |
| mdke | I can't really think of many good reasons | 03:52 |
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| jsgotangco | yuck | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:52 |
| mdke | ok, taken out | 03:54 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, did you have any time to look at that tips and tricks patch I sent to the mailing list? | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:55 |
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| siretart | mdke: around? | 03:56 |
| siretart | could anyone please look at bug #30563 | 03:56 |
| siretart | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/30563 | 03:56 |
| mdke | ok | 03:57 |
| mdke | oh bloody hell | 03:57 |
| jsgotangco | we've seen this in a lot of translated docs | 03:57 |
| mdke | that's the third dup in a week | 03:57 |
| siretart | I'm deploying ubuntu/breezy in an internet cafe (upgrade from sarge) and I get these very annoying errors | 03:57 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:57 |
| mdke | siretart, how annoying? | 03:58 |
| siretart | oh. sorry if this is a dup, but I didn't find others | 03:58 |
| mdke | if you think it's worth another upload to breezy-updates, we can fix it | 03:58 |
| siretart | mdke: well, our admin mailing list is spammed with these messages | 03:58 |
| siretart | mdke: it looks to me like the xml files are faulty, and they don't look like they are very hard to fix | 03:58 |
| mdke | no they are easy to fix | 03:59 |
| mdke | but we'd need to upload to breezy-updates | 03:59 |
| siretart | mdke: now I have 2 options: roll my own ubuntu-docs package for local use, or fix it in ubuntu | 03:59 |
| siretart | mdke: thats no problem | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | it seems only translated docs are affectede | 03:59 |
| mdke | alright, I'll fix it, and talk to Kamion about an upload | 03:59 |
| siretart | as long as the patch is sufficiently short | 03:59 |
| siretart | mdke: do you prepare uploads and need just a sponsor? | 04:00 |
| mdke | yep | 04:00 |
| siretart | mdke: or does kamion does the 'packaging'? | 04:00 |
| mdke | i'll do it | 04:00 |
| siretart | mdke: I can sponsor you as well | 04:00 |
| siretart | if kamion is not around. kamion has to review it, touhg ;) | 04:01 |
| mdke | no problem, but I'll talk to Kamion/mdz about the upload because they need to confirm it | 04:01 |
| siretart | tough | 04:01 |
| siretart | yes | 04:01 |
| mdke | siretart, ok, I'll ping you when I'm done | 04:01 |
| siretart | mdke: could you please give me your corrected package so that I can install it locally (for testing and until the official package hits the mirrors) | 04:01 |
| mdke | sure, and you can upload it too :D | 04:01 |
| siretart | ok. thank you very much | 04:02 |
| mdke | np | 04:03 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, did you have any time to look at that tips and tricks patch I sent to the mailing list? | 04:15 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke, yeah | 04:16 |
| mdke | any thoughts? | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | but i dont understand a thing about qanda sets | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | you want me to apply it to my WC? | 04:16 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, open it in yelp, and see which of the sections in the tips and tricks chapter looks better | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | ok hold on | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | goodbye.quanda.diff? | 04:17 |
| lambert | Is there a way to number headers on the wiki so they don't duplicate in the TOC? | 04:18 |
| mdke | lambert, can you give us an example? | 04:19 |
| lambert | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WirelessTroubleshootingGuide | 04:20 |
| lambert | from personal experience, I like and think it's easier in headers | 04:20 |
| lambert | to also be numbered as font difference isn't that drastic to separate | 04:21 |
| lambert | areas | 04:21 |
| lambert | just makes it an easier read | 04:21 |
| mdke | oh i see what you mean | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, this looks better | 04:22 |
| mdke | no, there is no way to do that, afaik. Best to leave the numbers of the headings I think | 04:22 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, the first of the three sections looks better? | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | instead of QA you made it to a numbered list | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | this is cleaner | 04:24 |
| mdke | yay | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | +1 | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | are you committing this? | 04:26 |
| mdke | i will, after a few more people give feedback | 04:27 |
| mdke | tbh, I've already done the rest of the chapter like that and done quick a few modifications of tips | 04:27 |
| mdke | siretart, have a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/breezy-updates/ for me? | 04:40 |
| mdke | and anyone else who fancies testing it | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | you created a new package? | 04:42 |
| mdke | i fixed that bug, i hope | 04:42 |
| mdke | siretart, works here. I think you can upload it and we'll bug Kamion/mdz tomorrow | 04:45 |
| siretart | mdke: will look at it shortly. I'm having here unexpected dpkg errors, which I want to investigate first | 04:46 |
| mdke | argh, with that package? | 04:46 |
| mdke | surely not | 04:46 |
| siretart | with dpkg itself. it spits me an assertion error | 04:46 |
| mdke | ok | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | works for me too | 04:47 |
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| siretart | but diffs looks good. will install that package here | 04:48 |
| mdke | yep, then run your cronjob | 04:48 |
| siretart | it's not really a cronjob. we are using cfengine(cfexecd) here ;) | 04:54 |
| mdke | well run "sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q" or whatever it is | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, i've added you as lp doc admin | 05:03 |
| mdke | ok, thanks. | 05:03 |
| jsgotangco | we're not worthy! | 05:03 |
| siretart | wah, because of status NEEDINFO, bugs do not show in the bugs overview of a package | 05:04 |
| siretart | *sigh* | 05:04 |
| mdke | siretart, or in searches *wink* | 05:04 |
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| siretart | mdke: ok, your package works for me. thanks a lot | 05:15 |
| mdke | siretart, good, will you upload it? | 05:15 |
| siretart | will do shortly | 05:16 |
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| siretart | mdke: I assume these issues are already fixed in dapper, no? | 05:38 |
| siretart | mdke: your changelog does not mention the removal of generic/faqguide/ro/faqguide-ro.omf | 05:43 |
| siretart | mdke: I'm not sure if mdz or Kamion will approve this, unless you talk to then in advance | 05:43 |
| mdke | siretart, I'll talk to them | 06:08 |
| mdke | siretart, as for dapper, we don't have any translations there yet | 06:08 |
| siretart | ok | 06:16 |
| mdke | siretart, did you upload already? I've sent them an email | 06:29 |
| siretart | mdke: ah, so its okay to upload. ok, will do so now | 06:34 |
| mdke | siretart, thanks | 06:34 |
| siretart | mdke: besides, why did you remove that file? | 06:42 |
| mdke | siretart, because it was empty, and scrollkeeper didn't like that | 06:43 |
| siretart | ah, okay | 06:44 |
| siretart | allright then | 06:44 |
| mdke | there is a bug in rosetta which prevents us from using romanian translations, unfortunately | 06:45 |
| mdke | that's why the file was empty | 06:45 |
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| siretart | mdke: thats an pretty awful bit upload. this is my third try :/ | 07:12 |
| siretart | s/bit/big/ | 07:13 |
| mdke | siretart, yeah, the source package is offensively large. Sorry about that | 07:14 |
| siretart | mdke: my upload has been rejected | 07:23 |
| mdke | siretart, damn. no doubt because I didn't sign it | 07:24 |
| mdke | are you able to sign it? | 07:25 |
| mdke | i did the package on a computer without a gpg key | 07:25 |
| mdke | afk for a while | 07:31 |
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| mdke | siretart, any luck? | 08:01 |
| siretart | mdke: no, my upload gets rejected | 08:02 |
| siretart | mdke: obviously I may not upload to breezy-updates any longer | 08:02 |
| mdke | siretart, oh, you think it isn't because I didn't sign the package? | 08:02 |
| siretart | mdke: but since it is sunday today, I wait until tomorrow and but #launchpad about that | 08:02 |
| siretart | mdke: certainly I signed my package | 08:02 |
| siretart | but it got rejected | 08:03 |
| mdke | ah, you signed it. Ok, np | 08:03 |
| mdke | i'll just highlight Colin again and let him know | 08:03 |
| siretart | yes, that would be best I think | 08:04 |
| mdke | siretart, ok thanks for your help. Good luck with uploading tomorrow | 08:05 |
| siretart | thanks :) | 08:05 |
| siretart | mdke: I installed your package in my local repo here, works nice | 08:05 |
| siretart | mdke: thanks for the package | 08:05 |
| mdke | np | 08:05 |
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| mdke | heya Madpilot | 09:33 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke - can't stay, but thanks for the commit email - sorry for the trouble... | 09:45 |
| Madpilot | later, all | 09:46 |
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