=== lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:04] mdke: ping [01:05] mdke: new GPG key is at Launchpad & on the keyservers, so if you could talk to elmo or whoever about commit-rights, that'd be cool. thanks. === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-1-26.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:18] LaserJock, I'm up again! [01:20] great! === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp214-103.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3716067.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore_ [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3716067.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.186] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:13] If someone references a trademark name on the wiki, (is windows trademarked?) does the trademark need to be noted? [03:16] lambert: Like? [03:17] lambert: you can say "Windows" without the TM [03:18] kyral: If someone said "users of the windows operating system might find this next hint ...." [03:18] oh yah thats fine [03:19] any situation where a trademark would be needed? [03:19] uhh [03:19] just curious [03:19] IANAL === lambert has to find dictionary of acronymns [03:20] I Am Not A Laywer [03:21] I wouldn't bother too much about the Windows trademark === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:04] theCore: so are you able to work on the packaging guide now that you've got a new hard drive? [05:05] i'm working on it [05:06] I'm doing an intro about the various skills you need to do packaging [05:07] oh cool, what section would it go in? [05:07] Getting Started ? [05:09] sounds good, what kind of skills are you thinking of? [05:10] make, autoconf ( the very basic ), diff, patch, etc... [05:10] apt [05:13] :D [05:13] I'd advocate autoconf being in the more advanced section [05:13] make, diff, and patch-- yes [05:14] theCore: hmm, we need to be careful not to attempt too much so that we can't get it done for Dapper or overwhelm the reader before the even get started with the packaging [05:15] right, that's why I think autoconf belongs in a more advanced setion [05:15] section^ [05:15] LaserJock, I just made some really quick intros with some references [05:16] crimsun, I just talked about how to make and use configure script [05:16] sounds good, I think a reference with a quick example would be good [05:16] it is easy to want to explain "everything" about packaging but that would really include way too much material. [05:17] also keep in mind that there will be an Ubuntu Developer's Reference for dapper too [05:17] so we want to keep the guide style [05:18] theCore: but I think it is a good idea, send me the patches when you have a chance [05:18] np [05:22] crimsun: have you had a chance to take a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html ? === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:23] LaserJock: yeah, I have; I'll send some patches later [05:31] crimsun: very cool, thank you so much [05:44] I must go, cya later [05:45] LaserJock, I will send you the patch tomorrow === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.186] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.186] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-53-52.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-155-143.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-246-37-203.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.160.231] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:22] hi [10:26] i'm searching how translation process is working ... === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:31] kagou: I don't think the docs are ready to be translated yet [10:32] kagou: Presuming you did mean translating the ubuntu documentation? [10:32] ok dsas, yes , ubuntu-documentation [10:32] the job is done with rosetta ? [10:33] kagou: Yeah, that's the usual way of doing it for ubuntu [10:34] kagou: I think some of the docs will be ready soon. [10:35] not yet but mdke already created POT files for it [10:36] is there specific mailing/list or chan for french translator?! i'v just found #ubuntu-translators [10:36] kagou: there's also #ubuntu-fr, you might ask there [10:37] nothing in this chan Madpilot just users needing help [10:38] i'm waiting for seb128 [10:38] kagou: There's two mailing lists, I guess https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-fr-l10n is the translation team one. [10:39] great ! [10:40] kagou: I'd guess https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-fr is user help but in French [10:40] yes dsas === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.186] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-53-52.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-53-52.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-246-37-203.paradise.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:03] morning [12:06] hi mdke [12:06] :) [12:08] hiya === mdke wants feedback on the patch he just posted to the mailing list [12:10] these language bugs....are we still responsible for these? [12:10] yes we are [12:10] but I will close them as wontfix soon [12:10] yeah ok [12:10] because I certainly don't think they are important enough to justify an upload to breezy-changes [12:10] beacuse i have no idea what to do with these [12:10] no they're trivial [12:10] yep. the docs in those languages still work [12:11] i'll just have dinner first and let's talk about stuff more [12:11] okay, i should be around for a bit later [12:11] no problem its only 7pm here anyways === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.186] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp228-224.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.186] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:52] do you guys think that we should have an entry in the desktopguide about using nautilus as root [03:52] ? [03:52] I can't really think of many good reasons === mdke is tempted to take it out [03:52] yuck [03:52] yeah [03:54] ok, taken out [03:54] jsgotangco, did you have any time to look at that tips and tricks patch I sent to the mailing list? [03:55] yeah === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:56] mdke: around? [03:56] could anyone please look at bug #30563 [03:56] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/30563 [03:57] ok [03:57] oh bloody hell [03:57] we've seen this in a lot of translated docs [03:57] that's the third dup in a week [03:57] I'm deploying ubuntu/breezy in an internet cafe (upgrade from sarge) and I get these very annoying errors [03:57] yeah [03:58] siretart, how annoying? [03:58] oh. sorry if this is a dup, but I didn't find others [03:58] if you think it's worth another upload to breezy-updates, we can fix it [03:58] mdke: well, our admin mailing list is spammed with these messages [03:58] mdke: it looks to me like the xml files are faulty, and they don't look like they are very hard to fix [03:59] no they are easy to fix [03:59] but we'd need to upload to breezy-updates [03:59] mdke: now I have 2 options: roll my own ubuntu-docs package for local use, or fix it in ubuntu [03:59] mdke: thats no problem [03:59] it seems only translated docs are affectede [03:59] alright, I'll fix it, and talk to Kamion about an upload [03:59] as long as the patch is sufficiently short [04:00] mdke: do you prepare uploads and need just a sponsor? [04:00] yep [04:00] mdke: or does kamion does the 'packaging'? [04:00] i'll do it [04:00] mdke: I can sponsor you as well [04:01] if kamion is not around. kamion has to review it, touhg ;) [04:01] no problem, but I'll talk to Kamion/mdz about the upload because they need to confirm it [04:01] tough [04:01] yes [04:01] siretart, ok, I'll ping you when I'm done [04:01] mdke: could you please give me your corrected package so that I can install it locally (for testing and until the official package hits the mirrors) [04:01] sure, and you can upload it too :D [04:02] ok. thank you very much [04:03] np [04:15] jsgotangco, did you have any time to look at that tips and tricks patch I sent to the mailing list? === mdke waits for new package to build [04:16] mdke, yeah [04:16] any thoughts? [04:16] but i dont understand a thing about qanda sets [04:16] you want me to apply it to my WC? [04:16] jsgotangco, open it in yelp, and see which of the sections in the tips and tricks chapter looks better [04:16] ok hold on [04:17] goodbye.quanda.diff? [04:18] Is there a way to number headers on the wiki so they don't duplicate in the TOC? [04:19] lambert, can you give us an example? [04:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WirelessTroubleshootingGuide [04:20] from personal experience, I like and think it's easier in headers [04:21] to also be numbered as font difference isn't that drastic to separate [04:21] areas [04:21] just makes it an easier read [04:22] oh i see what you mean [04:22] mdke, this looks better [04:22] no, there is no way to do that, afaik. Best to leave the numbers of the headings I think [04:22] jsgotangco, the first of the three sections looks better? [04:23] instead of QA you made it to a numbered list [04:24] this is cleaner [04:24] yay [04:24] +1 [04:26] are you committing this? [04:27] i will, after a few more people give feedback [04:27] tbh, I've already done the rest of the chapter like that and done quick a few modifications of tips [04:40] siretart, have a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/breezy-updates/ for me? [04:41] and anyone else who fancies testing it [04:42] you created a new package? [04:42] i fixed that bug, i hope [04:45] siretart, works here. I think you can upload it and we'll bug Kamion/mdz tomorrow [04:46] mdke: will look at it shortly. I'm having here unexpected dpkg errors, which I want to investigate first [04:46] argh, with that package? [04:46] surely not [04:46] with dpkg itself. it spits me an assertion error [04:47] ok [04:47] works for me too === mdke is pretty sure he hasn't buggered anything up [04:48] but diffs looks good. will install that package here [04:48] yep, then run your cronjob [04:54] it's not really a cronjob. we are using cfengine(cfexecd) here ;) [04:54] well run "sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q" or whatever it is [05:03] mdke, i've added you as lp doc admin [05:03] ok, thanks. [05:03] we're not worthy! [05:04] wah, because of status NEEDINFO, bugs do not show in the bugs overview of a package [05:04] *sigh* [05:04] siretart, or in searches *wink* === kjcole [n=kjcole@134.231.179.196] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@212.2.167.72] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:15] mdke: ok, your package works for me. thanks a lot [05:15] siretart, good, will you upload it? [05:16] will do shortly === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:38] mdke: I assume these issues are already fixed in dapper, no? [05:43] mdke: your changelog does not mention the removal of generic/faqguide/ro/faqguide-ro.omf [05:43] mdke: I'm not sure if mdz or Kamion will approve this, unless you talk to then in advance [06:08] siretart, I'll talk to them [06:08] siretart, as for dapper, we don't have any translations there yet [06:16] ok [06:29] siretart, did you upload already? I've sent them an email [06:34] mdke: ah, so its okay to upload. ok, will do so now [06:34] siretart, thanks [06:42] mdke: besides, why did you remove that file? [06:43] siretart, because it was empty, and scrollkeeper didn't like that [06:44] ah, okay [06:44] allright then [06:45] there is a bug in rosetta which prevents us from using romanian translations, unfortunately [06:45] that's why the file was empty === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:12] mdke: thats an pretty awful bit upload. this is my third try :/ [07:13] s/bit/big/ [07:14] siretart, yeah, the source package is offensively large. Sorry about that [07:23] mdke: my upload has been rejected [07:24] siretart, damn. no doubt because I didn't sign it [07:25] are you able to sign it? [07:25] i did the package on a computer without a gpg key [07:31] afk for a while === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@212.2.167.72] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:01] siretart, any luck? [08:02] mdke: no, my upload gets rejected [08:02] mdke: obviously I may not upload to breezy-updates any longer [08:02] siretart, oh, you think it isn't because I didn't sign the package? [08:02] mdke: but since it is sunday today, I wait until tomorrow and but #launchpad about that [08:02] mdke: certainly I signed my package [08:03] but it got rejected [08:03] ah, you signed it. Ok, np [08:03] i'll just highlight Colin again and let him know [08:04] yes, that would be best I think [08:05] siretart, ok thanks for your help. Good luck with uploading tomorrow [08:05] thanks :) [08:05] mdke: I installed your package in my local repo here, works nice [08:05] mdke: thanks for the package [08:05] np === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@212.2.167.72] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@212.2.167.72] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:33] heya Madpilot [09:45] hi mdke - can't stay, but thanks for the commit email - sorry for the trouble... 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