[01:04] <Madpilot> mdke: ping
[01:05] <Madpilot> mdke: new GPG key is at Launchpad & on the keyservers, so if you could talk to elmo or whoever about commit-rights, that'd be cool. thanks.
[01:18] <theCore> LaserJock, I'm up again!
[01:20] <LaserJock> great!
[03:13] <lambert> If someone references a trademark name on the wiki, (is windows trademarked?) does the trademark need to be noted?
[03:16] <Kyral> lambert: Like?
[03:17] <Kyral> lambert: you can say "Windows" without the TM
[03:18] <lambert> kyral: If someone said "users of the windows operating system might find this next hint ...."
[03:18] <Kyral> oh yah thats fine
[03:19] <lambert> any situation where a trademark would be needed?
[03:19] <Kyral> uhh
[03:19] <lambert> just curious 
[03:19] <Kyral> IANAL
[03:20] <Kyral> I Am Not A Laywer
[03:21] <theCore_> I wouldn't bother too much about the Windows trademark
[05:04] <LaserJock> theCore: so are you able to work on the packaging guide now that you've got a new hard drive?
[05:05] <theCore> i'm working on it
[05:06] <theCore> I'm doing an intro about the various skills you need to do packaging
[05:07] <LaserJock> oh cool, what section would it go in?
[05:07] <theCore> Getting Started ?
[05:09] <LaserJock> sounds good, what kind of skills are you thinking of?
[05:10] <theCore> make, autoconf ( the very basic ), diff, patch, etc...
[05:10] <theCore> apt
[05:13] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:13] <crimsun> I'd advocate autoconf being in the more advanced section
[05:13] <crimsun> make, diff, and patch-- yes
[05:14] <LaserJock> theCore: hmm, we need to be careful not to attempt too much so that we can't get it done for Dapper or overwhelm the reader before the even get started with the packaging
[05:15] <crimsun> right, that's why I think autoconf belongs in a more advanced setion
[05:15] <crimsun> section^
[05:15] <theCore> LaserJock, I just made some really quick intros with some references
[05:16] <theCore> crimsun, I just talked about how to make and use configure script
[05:16] <LaserJock> sounds good, I think a reference with a quick example would be good
[05:16] <LaserJock> it is easy to want to explain "everything" about packaging but that would really include way too much material.
[05:17] <LaserJock> also keep in mind that there will be an Ubuntu Developer's Reference for dapper too
[05:17] <LaserJock> so we want to keep the guide style
[05:18] <LaserJock> theCore: but I think it is a good idea, send me the patches when you have a chance
[05:18] <theCore> np
[05:22] <LaserJock> crimsun: have you had a chance to take a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html ?
[05:23] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, I have; I'll send some patches later
[05:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: very cool, thank you so much
[05:44] <theCore> I must go, cya later
[05:45] <theCore> LaserJock, I will send you the patch tomorrow
[10:22] <kagou> hi
[10:26] <kagou> i'm searching how translation process is working ...
[10:31] <dsas> kagou: I don't think the docs are ready to be translated yet
[10:32] <dsas> kagou: Presuming you did mean translating the ubuntu documentation?
[10:32] <kagou> ok dsas, yes , ubuntu-documentation
[10:32] <kagou> the job is done with rosetta ?
[10:33] <dsas> kagou: Yeah, that's the usual way of doing it for ubuntu
[10:34] <dsas> kagou: I think some of the docs will be ready soon.
[10:35] <jsgotangco> not yet but mdke already created POT files for it
[10:36] <kagou> is there specific mailing/list or chan for french translator?! i'v just found  #ubuntu-translators
[10:36] <Madpilot> kagou: there's also #ubuntu-fr, you might ask there
[10:37] <kagou> nothing in this chan Madpilot just users needing help 
[10:38] <kagou> i'm waiting for seb128 
[10:38] <dsas> kagou: There's two mailing lists, I guess https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-fr-l10n is the translation team one.
[10:39] <kagou> great !
[10:40] <dsas> kagou: I'd guess https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-fr is user help but in French
[10:40] <kagou> yes dsas
[12:03] <mdke> morning
[12:06] <jsgotangco> hi mdke 
[12:06] <jsgotangco> :)
[12:08] <mdke> hiya
[12:10] <jsgotangco> these language bugs....are we still responsible for these?
[12:10] <mdke> yes we are
[12:10] <mdke> but I will close them as wontfix soon
[12:10] <jsgotangco> yeah ok
[12:10] <mdke> because I certainly don't think they are important enough to justify an upload to breezy-changes
[12:10] <jsgotangco> beacuse i have no idea what to do with these
[12:10] <jsgotangco> no they're trivial
[12:10] <mdke> yep. the docs in those languages still work
[12:11] <jsgotangco> i'll just have dinner first and let's talk about stuff more
[12:11] <mdke> okay, i should be around for a bit later
[12:11] <jsgotangco> no problem its only 7pm here anyways
[03:52] <mdke> do you guys think that we should have an entry in the desktopguide about using nautilus as root
[03:52] <mdke> ?
[03:52] <mdke> I can't really think of many good reasons
[03:52] <jsgotangco> yuck
[03:52] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:54] <mdke> ok, taken out
[03:54] <mdke> jsgotangco, did you have any time to look at that tips and tricks patch I sent to the mailing list?
[03:55] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:56] <siretart> mdke: around?
[03:56] <siretart> could anyone please look at bug #30563
[03:56] <siretart> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/30563
[03:57] <mdke> ok
[03:57] <mdke> oh bloody hell
[03:57] <jsgotangco> we've seen this in a lot of translated docs
[03:57] <mdke> that's the third dup in a week
[03:57] <siretart> I'm deploying ubuntu/breezy in an internet cafe (upgrade from sarge) and I get these very annoying errors
[03:57] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:58] <mdke> siretart, how annoying?
[03:58] <siretart> oh. sorry if this is a dup, but I didn't find others
[03:58] <mdke> if you think it's worth another upload to breezy-updates, we can fix it
[03:58] <siretart> mdke: well, our admin mailing list is spammed with these messages
[03:58] <siretart> mdke: it looks to me like the xml files are faulty, and they don't look like they are very hard to fix
[03:59] <mdke> no they are easy to fix
[03:59] <mdke> but we'd need to upload to breezy-updates
[03:59] <siretart> mdke: now I have 2 options: roll my own ubuntu-docs package for local use, or fix it in ubuntu
[03:59] <siretart> mdke: thats no problem
[03:59] <jsgotangco> it seems only translated docs are affectede
[03:59] <mdke> alright, I'll fix it, and talk to Kamion about an upload
[03:59] <siretart> as long as the patch is sufficiently short
[04:00] <siretart> mdke: do you prepare uploads and need just a sponsor?
[04:00] <mdke> yep
[04:00] <siretart> mdke: or does kamion does the 'packaging'?
[04:00] <mdke> i'll do it
[04:00] <siretart> mdke: I can sponsor you as well
[04:01] <siretart> if kamion is not around. kamion has to review it, touhg ;)
[04:01] <mdke> no problem, but I'll talk to Kamion/mdz about the upload because they need to confirm it
[04:01] <siretart> tough
[04:01] <siretart> yes
[04:01] <mdke> siretart, ok, I'll ping you when I'm done
[04:01] <siretart> mdke: could you please give me your corrected package so that I can install it locally (for testing and until the official package hits the mirrors)
[04:01] <mdke> sure, and you can upload it too :D
[04:02] <siretart> ok. thank you very much
[04:03] <mdke> np
[04:15] <mdke> jsgotangco, did you have any time to look at that tips and tricks patch I sent to the mailing list?
[04:16] <jsgotangco> mdke, yeah
[04:16] <mdke> any thoughts?
[04:16] <jsgotangco> but i dont understand a thing about qanda sets
[04:16] <jsgotangco> you want me to apply it to my WC?
[04:16] <mdke> jsgotangco, open it in yelp, and see which of the sections in the tips and tricks chapter looks better
[04:16] <jsgotangco> ok hold on
[04:17] <jsgotangco> goodbye.quanda.diff?
[04:18] <lambert> Is there a way to number headers on the wiki so they don't duplicate in the TOC?
[04:19] <mdke> lambert, can you give us an example?
[04:20] <lambert> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WirelessTroubleshootingGuide
[04:20] <lambert> from personal experience, I like and think it's easier in headers
[04:21] <lambert> to also be numbered as font difference isn't that drastic to separate
[04:21] <lambert> areas
[04:21] <lambert> just makes it an easier read
[04:22] <mdke> oh i see what you mean
[04:22] <jsgotangco> mdke, this looks better
[04:22] <mdke> no, there is no way to do that, afaik. Best to leave the numbers of the headings I think
[04:22] <mdke> jsgotangco, the first of the three sections looks better?
[04:23] <jsgotangco> instead of QA you made it to a numbered list
[04:24] <jsgotangco> this is cleaner
[04:24] <mdke> yay
[04:24] <jsgotangco> +1
[04:26] <jsgotangco> are you committing this?
[04:27] <mdke> i will, after a few more people give feedback
[04:27] <mdke> tbh, I've already done the rest of the chapter like that and done quick a few modifications of tips
[04:40] <mdke> siretart, have a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/breezy-updates/ for me?
[04:41] <mdke> and anyone else who fancies testing it
[04:42] <jsgotangco> you created a new package?
[04:42] <mdke> i fixed that bug, i hope
[04:45] <mdke> siretart, works here. I think you can upload it and we'll bug Kamion/mdz tomorrow
[04:46] <siretart> mdke: will look at it shortly. I'm having here unexpected dpkg errors, which I want to investigate first
[04:46] <mdke> argh, with that package?
[04:46] <mdke> surely not
[04:46] <siretart> with dpkg itself. it spits me an assertion error
[04:47] <mdke> ok
[04:47] <jsgotangco> works for me too
[04:48] <siretart> but diffs looks good. will install that package here
[04:48] <mdke> yep, then run your cronjob
[04:54] <siretart> it's not really a cronjob. we are using cfengine(cfexecd) here ;)
[04:54] <mdke> well run "sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q" or whatever it is
[05:03] <jsgotangco> mdke, i've added you as lp doc admin
[05:03] <mdke> ok, thanks.
[05:03] <jsgotangco> we're not worthy!
[05:04] <siretart> wah, because of status NEEDINFO, bugs do not show in the bugs overview of a package
[05:04] <siretart> *sigh*
[05:04] <mdke> siretart, or in searches *wink*
[05:15] <siretart> mdke: ok, your package works for me. thanks a lot
[05:15] <mdke> siretart, good, will you upload it?
[05:16] <siretart> will do shortly
[05:38] <siretart> mdke: I assume these issues are already fixed in dapper, no?
[05:43] <siretart> mdke: your changelog does not mention the removal of generic/faqguide/ro/faqguide-ro.omf
[05:43] <siretart> mdke: I'm not sure if mdz or Kamion will approve this, unless you talk to then in advance
[06:08] <mdke> siretart, I'll talk to them
[06:08] <mdke> siretart, as for dapper, we don't have any translations there yet
[06:16] <siretart> ok
[06:29] <mdke> siretart, did you upload already? I've sent them an email
[06:34] <siretart> mdke: ah, so its okay to upload. ok, will do so now
[06:34] <mdke> siretart, thanks
[06:42] <siretart> mdke: besides, why did you remove that file?
[06:43] <mdke> siretart, because it was empty, and scrollkeeper didn't like that
[06:44] <siretart> ah, okay
[06:44] <siretart> allright then
[06:45] <mdke> there is a bug in rosetta which prevents us from using romanian translations, unfortunately
[06:45] <mdke> that's why the file was empty
[07:12] <siretart> mdke: thats an pretty awful bit upload. this is my third try :/
[07:13] <siretart> s/bit/big/
[07:14] <mdke> siretart, yeah, the source package is offensively large. Sorry about that
[07:23] <siretart> mdke: my upload has been rejected
[07:24] <mdke> siretart, damn. no doubt because I didn't sign it
[07:25] <mdke> are you able to sign it?
[07:25] <mdke> i did the package on a computer without a gpg key
[07:31] <mdke> afk for a while
[08:01] <mdke> siretart, any luck?
[08:02] <siretart> mdke: no, my upload gets rejected
[08:02] <siretart> mdke: obviously I may not upload to breezy-updates any longer
[08:02] <mdke> siretart, oh, you think it isn't because I didn't sign the package?
[08:02] <siretart> mdke: but since it is sunday today, I wait until tomorrow and but #launchpad about that
[08:02] <siretart> mdke: certainly I signed my package
[08:03] <siretart> but it got rejected
[08:03] <mdke> ah, you signed it. Ok, np
[08:03] <mdke> i'll just highlight Colin again and let him know
[08:04] <siretart> yes, that would be best I think
[08:05] <mdke> siretart, ok thanks for your help. Good luck with uploading tomorrow
[08:05] <siretart> thanks :)
[08:05] <siretart> mdke: I installed your package in my local repo here, works nice
[08:05] <siretart> mdke: thanks for the package
[08:05] <mdke> np
[09:33] <mdke> heya Madpilot 
[09:45] <Madpilot> hi mdke - can't stay, but thanks for the commit email - sorry for the trouble...
[09:46] <Madpilot> later, all