[02:51] <flint> hi there I am in need o f some help setting up edubuntu breezy....
[02:51] <flint> lucasvo, you there?
[03:04] <flint> sksk think I have hardware problems bye for now.
[03:09] <jsgotangco> dont we all
[04:35] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx for those pictures
[04:35] <mhz> were those from your cell phone?
[04:36] <jsgotangco> some not all
[04:36] <jsgotangco> well that's not my album
[04:36] <mhz> oh
[04:36] <jsgotangco> that's from a friend
[04:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: i have made a background for edubuntu 6.04, but again it's darkish :(
[04:37] <jsgotangco> i've seen them
[04:37] <jsgotangco> looks good for xfce though
[04:37] <mhz> oh, this one I did today?
[04:37] <mhz> oh, yes! you are subscribed to * :D
[04:38] <mhz> anyways, I astill can't get to understand how AUC works
[04:39] <jsgotangco> its terribly cumbersome at the moment
[04:39] <mhz> ohh
[04:39] <jsgotangco> an approver uploads and creates thumbnails then ftps those to a server
[04:39] <mhz> eeeeek!
[04:40] <jsgotangco> so if you are broadband-challenged, download a 1280x1040 wallpaper won't cut it
[04:40] <jsgotangco> then create a thumbnail then upload
[04:40] <jsgotangco> even in broadband the process is cumbersome
[04:40] <mhz> but, there are web tools to do that
[04:40] <jsgotangco> yes but you see we made our own tool from scratch
[04:40] <mhz> hehehe
[04:41] <jsgotangco> henrik was discussing to moving it completely to moin
[04:41] <jsgotangco> and have contributors uplod themselves
[04:41] <jsgotangco> like what we have been doing to theopencd.org
[04:41] <mhz> yup
[04:42] <jsgotangco> if you can suggest a high-quality winfoss app, that'll do
[04:42] <jsgotangco> i can just evaluate it
[04:42] <mhz> jsgotangco: what id we had a #ubuntu-moin so we can direct users to help them thruogh the wikiing process
[04:43] <mhz> autocad!!!
[04:43] <mhz> :D
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-moin?
[04:43] <mhz> yup
[04:44] <mhz> helping users on-real-time
[04:44] <mhz> showing them wiking is not hard 
[04:45] <jsgotangco> ok i have no time to support such though
[04:45] <mhz> i know
[04:46] <mhz> it's just that I have read (you too) many wiki complains, suggestions, ideas, etc
[04:46] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:46] <mhz> and maybe it is easier to help these people with troubles, to solve them together, by hand
[04:46] <mhz> step by step
[04:46] <mhz> having an IRC support
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i think you're the most qualified for this
[04:47] <mhz> hahahah
[04:48] <mhz> but surely I'd be glad to help
[04:48] <mhz> well, henrik has learnt a lot too
[04:48] <jsgotangco> but you're initiated it already,you're already qualified
[04:49] <mhz> yup, i guess
[04:50] <mhz> "but if I die on the field today, who will take my place and this flag and lead the victory?"
[04:50] <mhz> :D
[04:50] <jsgotangco> we run back to the barracks
[04:52] <mhz> LOL
[04:53] <mhz> jsgotangco: can i make one last question before i either go to bed or back to Inkscape?
[04:54] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:54] <jsgotangco> its almost lunch here anyways
[04:55] <mhz> oohh, okis
[04:55] <mhz> here it's 00:55 AM of monday
[04:56] <jsgotangco> what's your question?
[04:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: as you know I need to use darkish themes and wallpapers (usually), BUT
[04:58] <mhz> many web pages i visit they usually render in white background and "almost-impossible-to-read" words because they look like white too
[04:58] <mhz> but when I use normal "whitey" themes, I see all web pages ok
[05:03] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:03] <jsgotangco> white itself has many palettes
[05:03] <mhz> ?
[05:04] <mhz> I mean, if i use a black based theme, I have this issue. But even if I use a grey one, that doesn't happen
[05:53] <Hal> Is there, or is there planned to be, a bootable cd release of EduBuntu? I love the live CD version of Ubuntu and would love to be able to pop in the cd to my wifes computer for my son to be able to use it.
[11:30] <alejandro_> someone with experience using LTSP with edubuntu/ubuntu ?
[12:52] <spacey> alejandro_, yes
[12:53] <spacey> it works
[12:53] <spacey> finely
[01:59] <alejandro_> spacey, here i have problems with tftpd, forbidden directory and it doesnt load the kernel image.
[02:00] <spacey> forbidden directory?
[02:01] <alejandro_> yes and i have the right permissions in the /tftpboot
[02:32] <spacey> did you set the right path?
[02:32] <spacey> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
[02:33] <spacey> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /tftpboot
[02:33] <spacey> because default ubuntu path is different
[02:33] <spacey> alejandro_, :)
[02:33] <spacey> # tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[02:33] <spacey> last one is default edubuntu
[02:38] <lucasvo>  /w 16
[03:31] <flint> mhz, my life is a living hell...
[03:31] <flint> jsgotangco, anyone seen ogra this morning>
[03:32] <mhz> flint: why? what happens?
[03:32] <mhz> flint: probably they are on a plane right now
[03:33] <flint> mhz, gotcha.  how was the human virus business in london?
[03:33] <jsgotangco> nope
[03:33] <jsgotangco> he's probably still in london or about to go leave
[03:34] <jsgotangco> or already at home i dunno
[03:34] <flint> I have got the lab set up here in Vermont, and I have a copy of edubuntu bb running
[03:35] <mhz> cool
[03:35] <flint> I hook up a crossover cable to a laptop and pxe boot perfectly and get to the famous lotr login screen (think eye of sauron)
[03:35] <flint> I try to log on with a known good name and I get nowhere...any ideas?
[03:35] <mhz> :D
[03:35] <mhz> yes
[03:36] <mhz> flint: 1st step... in the server, run $ ltsp-update-sshkeys
[03:36] <mhz> and then try to login from the laptop using a known user in the server.. BUT make sure that user is not already logged in
[03:37] <flint> no, not to my knowledge... lemme check... it is just a plain vanilla bb
[03:37] <flint> gotcha...
[03:38] <flint> hold on... this looks promising... :^)
[03:39] <flint> I wish I spoke spanish like mhs speaks english!
[03:39] <mhz> flint: i dont know why, it is even illogical to ogra, but the ltsp-update-sshkeys does work 99% when you can't login
[03:39] <mhz> ;)
[03:39] <mhz> flint: gotcha is like "it works" ?
[03:40] <lucasvo> flint: what was yesterday?
[03:40] <lucasvo> flint: you pinged me
[03:40] <flint> mhz, the damn think took off like a scalded cat!!! EXCELLENT!
[03:40] <mhz> flint: ooh, cool
[03:40] <flint> now I gotta go back to my intermittend hardware problem...
[03:40] <mhz> flint: just remember that breezy only accepts logins from users that are not already logged in
[03:41] <mhz> in other words, you can login with a user only once
[03:41] <flint> I need to write this stuff up.  you will be my STAR!
[03:41] <mhz> thx, :D
[03:42] <flint> lucasvo, it was this very same (and greviously annoying) problemmo.  thanks to all.
[03:43] <flint> why not put this in the chrontab?
[04:12] <alejandro_> spacey, yes, i changed it, but i restarted inetd and is still not working.
[04:12] <spacey> alejandro_, errorlog:)
[04:12] <spacey> you sure tftpd is the problem?
[04:21] <alejandro_> yes, I think so.
[04:21] <ogra> whats the error ? 
[04:28] <zakame> heya ogra ! :D
[04:28] <ogra> hey zakame 
[04:44] <alejandro> spacey, now it works. :-)
[04:44] <spacey> alejandro, great
[04:45] <alejandro> spacey, just it doesnt find the pivot_root, so it doesnt mount the nfs
[04:45] <alejandro> spacey, :(
[04:45] <spacey> alejandro, check your exports then
[04:47] <alejandro> /opt/ltsp                 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
[04:47] <alejandro> /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles   192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)
[04:47] <alejandro> and /opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
[04:47] <alejandro> what is wrong here? 
[04:47] <ogra> wipe one of the concurring /opt/ltsp entries 
[04:47] <ogra>  /opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async) is the default
[04:49] <alejandro> the default one?
[04:49] <ogra> of ubuntu ltsp, yes
[04:49] <spacey> should work with either
[04:49] <ogra> yup#
[04:50] <ogra> (in case the network stuff it right in the other one indeed)
[04:50] <alejandro> ok, thanks
[05:11] <alejandro> heh, the tftp working in the fedora, i dont know why it's not working with ubuntu with the same dhcp configuration
[05:11] <alejandro> it's extrange..
[05:11] <spacey> look at the errors
[05:12] <spacey> you said earlier that it worked right
[05:12] <spacey> tftp
[05:13] <ogra> alejandro, did you follow the ThinClientHowto ? 
[05:13] <ogra> there normally is nothing to configure, it should work out of the box
[05:20] <alejandro> ogra, the clients work without problems, there were tested before with Fedora 
[05:20] <alejandro> ogra, here we bought thin clients ready to use with LTSP
[05:20] <alejandro> the problem happens with the ubuntu server :(
[05:21] <ogra> alejandro, thats not what i asked ... fedora uses the old ltsp implementation, ubuntu has muecow
[05:21] <alejandro> spacey, worked right because I was running the fedora in the vmware
[05:22] <alejandro> spacey, ogra, can you send me your dhcpd.conf ?
[05:22] <spacey> i can't
[05:23] <spacey> to specific
[05:23] <spacey> but examples are in the documentation
[05:23] <spacey> you can post yours on pastebin
[05:23] <spacey> en i can check it for you
[05:23] <ogra> alejandro, the default dhcpd.conf is what i use (since i wrote it for the package)
[05:24] <ogra> see the ThinClientHowto, its on that page ...
[05:24] <spacey> alejando, your running normal ltsp on ubuntu right?
[05:25] <alejandro> yes
[05:25] <ogra> spacey, define "normal"
[05:25] <spacey> it should work, if it doesn't i think its better to ask for support in #ltsp. since you don't use the ubuntu implemention
[05:25] <spacey> ogra, ltsp.org
[05:25] <spacey> version
[05:25] <ogra> the normal ltsp on ubuntu is ltsp-server :)
[05:25] <ogra> spacey, :)
[05:25] <spacey> hmm
[05:25] <spacey> ok
[05:26] <spacey> anyway
[05:26] <spacey> i got the normal one working now
[05:26] <spacey> so it works
[05:26] <spacey> the ubuntu implementation was not stable enough
[05:26] <spacey> in our situatio
[05:26] <spacey> n
[05:26] <ogra> note that we'll drop support for the old ltsp with dapper
[05:26] <spacey> ogra, well you can still install it on top i guess?
[05:27] <ogra> i guess so ... 
[05:27] <ogra> if someone takes care of the packages in universe (i wont)
[05:27] <spacey> it would hurt your eyes if you see it maybe ;p
[05:40] <alejandro> well, anyway i dont understand why in the ThinClient Howto, they use in the dhcpd.conf "ltsp" directory, when it creates a "lts" in tftp
[05:40] <alejandro> it's a bug?
[05:40] <ogra> nope
[05:41] <ogra> the ThinClientHowto was written for the fully automatic muecow installation ... its perfectly right as its written there
[05:42] <ogra> if you use the classic ltsp from ltsp.org, use their documentation ...
[05:47] <alejandro> well, i'm using the ubuntu packages
[05:47] <alejandro> (in breezy)
[05:48] <ogra> the ltsp-server and/or ltsp-server-standalone package ? 
[05:48] <alejandro> ltsp-server-standalone
[05:48] <alejandro> but currently I'm using my own dhcp server
[05:48] <ogra> then you shouldnt use -standalone ...
[05:49] <ogra> (see the package descriptios of ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone)
[05:50] <alejandro> ok, then ltsp-server and dhcpd no?
[05:51] <ogra> nope
[05:51] <ogra> no need for dhcpd if you already have one in your network
[05:52] <ogra> just make sure the dhcpd you have is set up correctly to point the clients to your ltsp server 
[05:52] <alejandro> ah ok, but here in testing in an alone network, i need one
[05:52] <ogra> yes
[05:53] <ogra> then you need to follow the ThinClientHowto ...
[08:09] <mhz> ogra: hi, ping
[08:10] <ogra> mhz, pong
[08:10] <mhz> ogra: any version control system you know of that lets you use some kind of ACL or control based on user privileges?
[08:11] <ogra> nope, i only use and know bzr ...
[08:11] <mhz> oh, okis
[08:11] <mhz> is there any bzr GUI?
[08:11] <ogra> but svn or cvs might do such stuff ... 
[08:11] <ogra> yes
[08:11] <ogra> bzrk 
[08:11] <mhz> duh!
[08:11] <mhz> sorry
[08:12] <mhz> ogra: thx
[10:27] <paolob> hi guys!
[10:28] <paolob> hi ogra 
[10:28] <mhz> paolob: hi
[10:29] <paolob> I was experimenting with my 40 clients, and I saw that the bottleneck in the clients' booting is the moment in witch the client says: "calculating modules dependencies": every client need almost 10 MB/s!
[10:29] <paolob> hi mhz 
[10:30] <paolob> in order to speed up the clients' boot, that moment is the most important, I think
[10:32] <paolob> mhz, is ogra away
[10:32] <paolob> ?
[10:33] <paolob> ogra, how are you?
[10:35] <paolob> mhz, referring to the "no free leases" bug, ogra had told me to reduce the lease-time in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf . That change doesn't resolve the bug, a lesses lease time is to be put in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[10:35] <mhz> paolob: sorry i was on the phone
[10:35] <paolob> mhz, could you tell him?
[10:36] <mhz> yup, I could
[10:36] <paolob> you could or you can?
[10:36] <paolob> :-)
[11:57] <signifer123> hey