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Hobbsee | morning all | 12:30 |
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crimsun | 'lo | 12:31 |
Hobbsee | :) | 12:31 |
Hobbsee_away | Riddell: ping | 12:35 |
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Mez | Riddell, ping | 03:13 |
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LeeJunFan | somehow I managed to lose my ability to have kde clock applet show anything but utc tz. | 03:15 |
LeeJunFan | if I go to adjust date and time the right time is there. | 03:16 |
Mez | right click, onfigure clock -> timezones | 03:17 |
LeeJunFan | Mez: yeah, I know, nothing there. | 03:17 |
Mez | nothing ? | 03:17 |
LeeJunFan | Show timezones has "Local Timezone" and "Configure Timezones" | 03:17 |
LeeJunFan | Configure timezones will only allow me to select UTC. | 03:17 |
Mez | hmm? | 03:18 |
Mez | what makes it so you cant select anything else? | 03:18 |
LeeJunFan | tzconfig is set to Eastern. ntpdate grabs the right timezone, date shows the right time, it's just kde. | 03:18 |
LeeJunFan | Mez: that's all that's listed. | 03:18 |
Mez | weirdness | 03:18 |
LeeJunFan | root@jkd:~# tzselect | 03:20 |
LeeJunFan | /usr/bin/tzselect: line 53: /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab: No such file or directory | 03:20 |
LeeJunFan | perhaps libc6 is foobar. | 03:20 |
Mez | try this | 03:20 |
Mez | sudo apt-get install --reinstall kicker-applets | 03:20 |
LeeJunFan | okay, now I'll log out/in. | 03:21 |
Mez | (hit ctrl+alt+backspace) | 03:21 |
Mez | or killall -9 kicker && kicker | 03:22 |
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Mez | any luck? | 03:22 |
LeeJunFan | nope. | 03:23 |
LeeJunFan | I even wiped out the config file for clock_panelapplet | 03:23 |
Mez | do you have any kde-i18n package installed | 03:31 |
LeeJunFan | Mez: no, I was just looking at that too. | 03:31 |
Mez | reading #kde ? | 03:31 |
LeeJunFan | no. | 03:32 |
Mez | try adding a new user - logging in as them - and seeing if that works | 03:32 |
Hobbsee | LeeJunFan: there's already a bug for this | 03:33 |
Mez | Hobbsee, there is? | 03:33 |
Hobbsee | \ sh and i filed one last night for it | 03:33 |
Hobbsee | Mez: yep, want the link? | 03:34 |
Mez | please | 03:34 |
Hobbsee | launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30546 | 03:34 |
LeeJunFan | Hobbsee: heh, it just started for me seemingly out of the blue. | 03:34 |
LeeJunFan | Hobbsee: owell, thanks. I can stop beating my head against the wall now. | 03:34 |
Hobbsee | hehe - i found it last night, and got so confused | 03:34 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 03:35 |
Hobbsee | so i'm so screwed in regards to time - it tells me it's 2.35 am, and i know darn well it isnt, cos the sun is up!!! | 03:35 |
LeeJunFan | yeah, 9:36pm here | 03:36 |
LeeJunFan | so it shows as a whole different day too. | 03:36 |
Hobbsee | hehe of course | 03:36 |
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Mez | Hobbsee, i dont have access to main | 03:49 |
Hobbsee | pity - send a patch to someone who does or something? | 03:49 |
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Mez | plus - if i did - i wouldnt touch glibc, i dont know what jbailets been doing to it | 03:49 |
Mez | jbailey * | 03:50 |
LeeJunFan | yeah, that's a bad package to get fubared too bad. | 03:50 |
Hobbsee | ah ok | 03:50 |
LeeJunFan | Hobbsee: op in kubuntu right? got some moron going nuts there. | 04:04 |
LeeJunFan | a couple actually. | 04:05 |
LeeJunFan | nalioth got em. | 04:05 |
Hobbsee | LeeJunFan: yeah, but i was afk sorry | 04:06 |
Hobbsee | moral of the story - hobbsee should never go find lunch! | 04:08 |
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OddAbe19 | i'm going to ask a basic question, but it kinda has to do with development <---pre-warning | 04:27 |
OddAbe19 | is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop, like stock KDE in kubuntu? | 04:27 |
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Tm_T | Riddell: known issue? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i8051 | 08:18 |
seth | Tm_T, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30546 | 08:41 |
seth | known issue in libc6 :) | 08:41 |
Tm_T | aah! | 08:42 |
Tm_T | seth <3 | 08:42 |
seth | haha | 08:42 |
Tm_T | I didn't know what bug that is | 08:42 |
seth | I just found it a few minutes ago | 08:42 |
seth | it also messes up your clock and sets it to UTC | 08:42 |
Tm_T | seth: well, that's how I noticed it | 08:43 |
seth | yep | 08:43 |
seth | I like how when you hover over the clock | 08:43 |
seth | it's the same time EVERYWHERE :P | 08:43 |
Tm_T | aye! =) | 08:43 |
Tm_T | funny, that's why the text "so global that doesn't care local times" | 08:44 |
seth | that's a related issue that may help them though, I would post it on the bug :) | 08:46 |
seth | your screenshot that is | 08:46 |
Tm_T | yu | 08:46 |
Tm_T | thanks | 08:47 |
Tm_T | do that, I get more breakfast -> | 08:47 |
seth | haha | 08:48 |
seth | done :) | 08:48 |
Tm_T | hum, maybe I should register to that | 09:03 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:29 |
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Riddell | Tonio_: hi | 01:04 |
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Riddell | hi Hobbsee | 01:05 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: just working on the settings, fyi | 01:33 |
hunger | Riddell: Are you around? | 01:35 |
hunger | Riddell: Any idea how to stop the gnome-desktop files in /usr/share/autostart from starting in KDE? | 01:35 |
Riddell | hunger: no idea, how did they get there? | 01:37 |
Riddell | hmm, OnlyShowIn=GNOME; | 01:37 |
Riddell | maybe we need to make KDE respect that | 01:37 |
hunger | Riddell: gnome-volume-manager and gnome-power-manager install them there now that gnome-session seams to support /usr/share/autostart. | 01:37 |
Riddell | that must be new | 01:38 |
hunger | Riddell: It is. | 01:38 |
hunger | Riddell: Gnome seams to have stolen the idea from kde... | 01:38 |
Riddell | I wonder if that means KDE stuff autostarts in gnome | 01:38 |
hunger | Riddell: It does not. I tested. | 01:39 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the dpi, I set it to 100, are you fine with the value ? | 01:39 |
hunger | Riddell: the desktop-file spec does not cover autostart at all... no wonder there is some chaos:-) | 01:39 |
hunger | Riddell: someone on freedesktop.org wrote it does not matter since /usr/share/autostart contains only DE-independent stuff, with the DE checking in /usr/share/DE/autostart for its own things. | 01:40 |
hunger | Riddell: But that was the "best" information I found on the topic. | 01:41 |
hunger | No idea whether kde checks there... ubuntu has no such dirs. I guess it was just some interpretation from some random guy anyway. | 01:42 |
Riddell | sounds like it | 01:43 |
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hunger | Riddell: This annoyed me so much I even tried to switch over to gnome completly:-) | 01:49 |
hunger | Riddell: Unfortunately gnome is way to lame to be fun. | 01:49 |
hunger | Then I tried updating to kde 4... but ran out of diskspace when grabbing the sources. | 01:50 |
hunger | So now I am back to the normal kde3.5.1 ubuntu debs:-) | 01:50 |
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Mez | Riddell:ping | 02:38 |
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mornfall | *yawn* | 02:45 |
Tm_T | uargh! | 02:46 |
Tm_T | oh f*ck | 02:46 |
Tm_T | just spent 3hfor nothing | 02:46 |
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Hobbsee | night all | 02:52 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: expect breezy debs in the morning, i'll upload to the same place as the dapper ones | 02:53 |
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Riddell | Mez: hi | 03:03 |
mornfall | 'lo | 03:05 |
Riddell | morning | 03:05 |
Mez | Riddell: arts needs to depend on base-files to be backported - as it tries to check lsb-release - but that doesnt exist without base-files | 03:06 |
Riddell | ah yes | 03:07 |
Riddell | I was waiting on soyuz to open before uploading anything | 03:07 |
Mez | It's open ;) | 03:08 |
Riddell | yep, will do now | 03:08 |
Mez | np ;) | 03:08 |
Mez | dpnt forget anything else that tries to needs to aswell | 03:08 |
Riddell | I take it akode works now? | 03:09 |
Mez | hopefully though- hte script fu will work and we'll be able to backport it eventually | 03:09 |
Riddell | arts 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 does build-dep on lsb-release, base-files | 03:09 |
Mez | o_O | 03:10 |
Mez | so it does | 03:10 |
Mez | then why wasnt it working | 03:11 |
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mornfall | it's broken? :-) | 03:11 |
Mez | if i managed to get rid of my menu list in konq - hoe do i get it back? | 03:13 |
Riddell | menu list? | 03:14 |
Mez | yeah, like fiel etc | 03:14 |
Mez | file * | 03:14 |
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Mez | gah | 03:14 |
Mez | waht was that | 03:14 |
Mez | ? | 03:14 |
Tm_T | it was... me! | 03:18 |
Tm_T | ] ;= | 03:18 |
Mez | so, any hints on how to get it back | 03:31 |
Tm_T | only over my dead body! | 03:32 |
Tm_T | ok, more coffee -> | 03:33 |
Riddell | Mez: you have no menu bar in konqueror? | 03:36 |
Mez | nope | 03:36 |
Mez | sorted | 03:36 |
Riddell | control-M | 03:36 |
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hunger | seb128: You claim #30506 is a kde bug... are you sure? | 04:17 |
hunger | seb128: That is the one about g-v-m desktop files being run by kde. | 04:18 |
hunger | seb128: As I understand the desktop file spec the autostart usage is totally undefined... should ubuntu really rely on that kind of behaviour? | 04:19 |
Riddell | hunger: kde should respect OnlyShowIn=Gnome | 04:39 |
Riddell | so it's a kde issue | 04:40 |
Riddell | I believe gnome doesn't work at all for autostart files, so they have their own issues :) | 04:40 |
Tm_T | seth: ok, new locales installing, but I doubt it fixes anything | 04:58 |
Tm_T | Riddell: talking about kicker clock only utc -bug, what I should test? | 05:01 |
Tm_T | ...works \o/ | 05:01 |
Tm_T | interesting | 05:01 |
Riddell | yeah, install locales 2.3.10 | 05:03 |
Riddell | Tm_T: is that what fixed it? | 05:03 |
Tm_T | seems so, I restarted twice earlier today | 05:04 |
Tm_T | Riddell: btw: http://www.kolumbus.fi/lliehu/sekalaista-tavaraa/kuva1.png <- I got similar | 05:05 |
Tm_T | maybe I should change my kubuntu-devel list address to gmail | 05:06 |
Tm_T | another thing: https://launchpad.net/people/jussi-kekkonen <- why pointing to jussikekkonen2 in wiki, why 2 | 05:07 |
Tm_T | hmm, I can edit it myself, right? | 05:08 |
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Tm_T | and I also need caffeine =) | 05:08 |
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Riddell | Tm_T: hmm, why is it going to kubuntu-devel? | 05:18 |
Riddell | Tm_T: the launchpad to wikipage importer is ofter wrong, you can change it | 05:18 |
Tm_T | Riddell: no I can't: "The Ubuntu WikiName JussiKekkonen is already registered by Jussi Kekkonen." | 05:19 |
Tm_T | well, that's me | 05:19 |
Tm_T | no idea when I registered it though =) | 05:19 |
Tm_T | hmm, I'm registered twice in launchpad | 05:20 |
Tm_T | that explains | 05:20 |
Tm_T | but why when, I don't remember been registering at all | 05:20 |
Riddell | buzilla import creates accounts I think | 05:22 |
Tm_T | that explains | 05:22 |
Tm_T | have to remove that another one | 05:23 |
Tm_T | interesting that it doesn't send me any notification about that | 05:23 |
Tm_T | hmm, is there any way to remove launchpad account? | 05:26 |
Riddell | you can merge them | 05:29 |
Tm_T | hmm | 05:30 |
Tm_T | how? | 05:31 |
Riddell | no idea I'm afraid, should be an option somewhere | 05:39 |
seth | Tm_T, https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge | 05:40 |
Tm_T | tack | 05:41 |
Tm_T | seth: thank you much, I think I get this solved now :p | 05:44 |
seth | np | 05:44 |
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Tm_T | today I mean | 05:46 |
Tm_T | seth|away: change it! | 05:59 |
seth|away | hahaha | 05:59 |
seth|away | but I'm going to sleep | 05:59 |
Tm_T | oh no | 05:59 |
Tm_T | still... | 05:59 |
Tm_T | I won't marry you if you use awaynick | 06:00 |
Riddell | Mez: you joined Kubuntu Beasties? | 06:01 |
Mez | I dont see why not | 06:01 |
Mez | the bugs get assigned to it dont they | 06:01 |
Mez | and I just saw it as kubuntu-devel | 06:01 |
Tm_T | Kubuntu beasties? | 06:02 |
Riddell | Mez: I don't actually know what that group is | 06:02 |
Riddell | if I made it, it was a long time ago | 06:02 |
Tm_T | :p | 06:02 |
Mez | lol | 06:03 |
Mez | you're admin of it | 06:03 |
Mez | It's kubuntu-devel | 06:03 |
Mez | lol | 06:03 |
Mez | like ubuntu-devel | 06:03 |
Mez | nor do i know | 06:03 |
Riddell | if it gets bugs assigned to it the e-mail should change to kubuntu-bugs@lists | 06:03 |
Mez | I dunno - who set up the group | 06:04 |
Riddell | we weren't sure | 06:06 |
Riddell | Beasties sound like the sort of thing I'd put in, but I have no memory of making it | 06:07 |
seth|away | yeah, what happened to just Kubuntu Team | 06:07 |
seth|away | now every time I reply to a bug that is owned by the beasties, I get a bounce from the kubuntu-bugs list | 06:07 |
seth|away | which is annoying | 06:07 |
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Riddell | hmm, I'll have to look at that | 06:12 |
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jjesse | Riddell: question on the help files, if I click on "Kubuntu Quick Guide" in the main screen of Konq, it can't find the help file (dapper flight3, just finished updating everything) | 07:12 |
Riddell | jjesse: confirmed | 07:14 |
Riddell | none of them work | 07:15 |
Riddell | oh well, one more docs thing to fix | 07:15 |
OddAbe19 | i'm going to ask a basic question, but it kinda has to do with development <---pre-warning | 07:30 |
OddAbe19 | is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop, like stock KDE in kubuntu? | 07:30 |
Riddell | reply question, why would you want to? they're already on the panel :) | 07:31 |
OddAbe19 | because it's easier to access for me | 07:31 |
OddAbe19 | is there a way or not | 07:31 |
Riddell | try sudo cp /usr/share/applications/kde/Home.desktop ~/Desktop | 07:33 |
Riddell | err, no sudo there | 07:34 |
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Riddell | hmm, doesn't work | 07:35 |
Riddell | I'll need to change kdebase to install them somewhere else. or maybe install them hidden | 07:36 |
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Tm_T | hm | 07:40 |
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Tm_T | I also hate broken spacebar | 07:40 |
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Sime | sebas: ping | 09:03 |
sebas | Sime: pong | 09:04 |
Sime | hi, i'm back from vacation. | 09:04 |
sebas | How was it? | 09:04 |
sebas | Didn't break a leg and stuff? | 09:04 |
sebas | Ade was skiing for only two hours and had to stay in bed for a week :-) | 09:05 |
Sime | it was rather warm and sunny. | 09:05 |
sebas | Hm, skiing, right? :D | 09:05 |
Sime | I got sunburnt everyday. | 09:05 |
Sime | snowboard. | 09:05 |
sebas | Aye, tried that to, but it seems I'm not made for that kind of endeavour. | 09:05 |
Sime | i'm a bit sore in places though, but nothing serious. :-) | 09:05 |
sebas | Heh, I don't wanna know the details. | 09:06 |
sebas | I've been exploring LDAP in userconfig, already got some code in there | 09:06 |
Sime | well, you have to fall over a lot in snowboarding, | 09:06 |
Sime | and it hurts when the snow is icy. | 09:06 |
Sime | yes, I saw that LDAP stuff. | 09:06 |
sebas | I've been doing rollerskating for a couple of years, so I can imagine. | 09:07 |
Sime | what is the motivation for the LDAP stuff? | 09:07 |
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sebas | I need a little more knowledge of LDAP and specific schemes that are used. | 09:07 |
Sime | inline skating?? | 09:07 |
sebas | Mostly that it has been buggering me to see how easy it is to implement it | 09:07 |
sebas | yeah | 09:07 |
Sime | for codeyard? or? | 09:07 |
sebas | For skolelinux | 09:07 |
Sime | ok, thought so. | 09:08 |
sebas | In CodeYard, we don't use LDAP. | 09:08 |
sebas | Good idea though, I could hack on guidance during working hours :> | 09:08 |
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sebas | Ah :) | 09:08 |
sebas | In Nijmegen? | 09:09 |
Sime | Oz. | 09:09 |
Sime | in the 90s. :) | 09:09 |
sebas | There's a pool and a miniramp near de Goffert, I'm thinking of trying again. | 09:09 |
sebas | Yeah, inline skating is sooooo 90ties ;-) | 09:09 |
Sime | I've got a good pair of skates here in Nijmegen. | 09:09 |
sebas | I should really do a little sports, but I guess my gear needs an upgrade, and without knowing that I'll use it a lot, I | 09:10 |
sebas | d rather not put hundreds of EUR in new gear. | 09:10 |
sebas | Besides, I don't see really cool skates in the shops anymore. | 09:10 |
Sime | BTW, do you know how Guidance compares to the usability report? | 09:10 |
Sime | what is missing / not implemented? | 09:10 |
sebas | About half of it. | 09:10 |
Sime | coz. the kubuntu feature freeze is real soon. | 09:11 |
Sime | feb 23. | 09:11 |
sebas | The bigger UI changes in userconfig are missing mainly, but I'd rather concentrate on stability / things that don't break until Dapper is out | 09:11 |
sebas | Revamping the UI might cost some time to get stable, and I'm unsure as to how much time I have exactly. | 09:11 |
Sime | good, concentrate on the smaller stuff. I think the big UI changes for userconfig need more thought first. | 09:11 |
sebas | Yeah. | 09:12 |
Sime | I think it might be a good idea to i18n() the strings. | 09:12 |
sebas | I was thinking about the group membership issues again (and again), I think we should map the groups to more abstract things. | 09:12 |
sebas | such as | 09:12 |
sebas | [ ] May gain admin privileges | 09:12 |
sebas | [ ] May use the digicam | 09:12 |
sebas | (That'd be the groups admin and camera in Kubuntu) | 09:12 |
sebas | I'd like to hear Jan's opinion on that approach though. | 09:13 |
sebas | displayconfig is in Dapper btw, but it's in the system administration section of kcontrol, dunno why. | 09:13 |
sebas | Hm, yeah, translation. | 09:14 |
sebas | Should be mostly straightforward. | 09:14 |
sebas | Does feature freeze also mean string freeze? | 09:14 |
Sime | setup.py should be able to handle outputing the .po files. | 09:14 |
Sime | string freeze. dunno. | 09:14 |
sebas | Hm, ok. | 09:15 |
sebas | It's probably too much work to translate all of guidance short term anyway. | 09:15 |
Sime | but we need to get a feature complete release out in the next week or two. (should be doable) | 09:15 |
Sime | the only other real new feature is automatically detecting gfx HW changes at boot time... | 09:16 |
sebas | Which works quite well on the hardware I have, btw. | 09:16 |
sebas | :-) | 09:16 |
Sime | and I don't know if Riddell is gaim enough to use it in dapper. | 09:16 |
Sime | I'll be using it either way. ;-) | 09:17 |
Sime | it is pretty simple and better than leaving a broken system for the user. | 09:17 |
Sime | right now if you swap cards then the machine is 'broken'. | 09:17 |
sebas | Hm, yeah. I think it should go in aswell. | 09:18 |
sebas | Would give us quite some testing coverage :> | 09:18 |
sebas | Wait, users, not beta testers :D | 09:18 |
sebas | We could blog that it *should* work and ask people to try... | 09:18 |
sebas | So we get some bugfixes in before Dapper is out. | 09:19 |
Sime | yes, we will have enough stuff to test and fix before the finally dapper release. | 09:21 |
Sime | (I just discovered that I need to improve handling for cards with limited video ram...) | 09:21 |
Sime | I've got a machine here with 1 AGP card + 2 PCI cards. | 09:22 |
Sime | so I'm busy debugging that. ;-) | 09:22 |
Sime | you can also specify which card/screen is the primary and which is the secondary screen. | 09:22 |
Riddell | sebas: feature freeze != string freeze | 09:23 |
Sime | Riddell: thanks, | 09:23 |
Riddell | Sime: game enough to use which? | 09:23 |
Sime | Riddell: what is the policy about language support in kubuntu? | 09:23 |
Riddell | Sime: i18n should be supported | 09:24 |
Riddell | through gettext | 09:24 |
Sime | Riddell: detecting changes in the machine's gfx hw and then automatically running dpkg-reconfigure 'xserver-xorg | 09:24 |
Sime | Riddell: which languages? | 09:24 |
Riddell | Sime: oh that, how much can go wrong :) | 09:25 |
Riddell | Sime: English is the only requirement, if it produces .po files then they will go into rosetta and people can translate them there | 09:25 |
Sime | Riddell: as I was saying, if it works, it is better than the current situation. | 09:26 |
Riddell | yep | 09:26 |
Riddell | so will we get a guidance release before February 23rd? | 09:27 |
Sime | not quite win/win, more win/breakeven. :-) | 09:27 |
Sime | feb 23 => yes, | 09:27 |
Riddell | before :) | 09:27 |
Sime | hopefully a bit early that the 23rd. | 09:27 |
Riddell | feature freeze is start of 23rd UTC | 09:27 |
Riddell | so anytime on 22nd is perfect :) | 09:27 |
Sime | earlier | 09:27 |
Sime | about two weeks then.. | 09:28 |
Riddell | wonderful | 09:28 |
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Sime | sebas: have you set up displayconfig-hwprobe.py to run at boot time? | 09:45 |
sebas | Sime: Not that I know. | 09:47 |
sebas | Do we want that? | 09:48 |
Sime | have you just played with it a bit? | 09:48 |
sebas | (Loading python at boot time is something distropeople would not like) | 09:48 |
sebas | No, I wasn't aware of its existance. | 09:48 |
Sime | oh, check out displayconfig-hwprobe.py then. | 09:49 |
Sime | it is rather small and fast. It just checks hw changes at boottime. | 09:51 |
Sime | well that is the idea. | 09:51 |
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Mez | Riddell: ping | 10:20 |
Riddell | Mez: hi | 10:20 |
Mez | Riddell: arts has built and installed fine backported - starting on kdelibs | 10:21 |
Riddell | Mez: rocking | 10:21 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the kde settings, do you think it is a good idea to enable the double click by default ? | 10:22 |
Mez | riddell: if everything goes fine I should be able to request it for backports later today | 10:22 |
Riddell | Mez: people have been requesting konversation too | 10:22 |
Tonio_ | I personnaly don't know anyone that uses simpleclick | 10:22 |
Riddell | Tonio_: no, too big a change from kde defaults | 10:22 |
Mez | Riddell, has konv been uploaded? | 10:22 |
Mez | (0.19) | 10:22 |
Riddell | Mez: yes | 10:22 |
Mez | Riddell, might be better to sync from debian ? | 10:23 |
Mez | when it's in debian | 10:23 |
Riddell | why? | 10:23 |
Mez | well - there was a lil bug in my package | 10:23 |
Mez | not so much a bug - but meh | 10:23 |
Riddell | that won't help the backport though | 10:23 |
Mez | it had gmo files it didnt need | 10:23 |
Mez | It'll have to be done after any lde update so it builds right | 10:24 |
Mez | hmm | 10:24 |
hunger | Is there anything I can do to help fix this gnome-desktop file issue in current dapper? | 10:24 |
Mez | I'm gonna have to request everything kde to be backported again | 10:24 |
Riddell | hunger: sure, program the fix | 10:25 |
Riddell | lde? | 10:25 |
hunger | Riddell: That is the one thing I hoped not to hear;-) | 10:25 |
hunger | Riddell: Can you at least point me into a general direction? | 10:26 |
Riddell | hunger: ksmserver possibly | 10:26 |
hunger | It should be in kdebase... or kdelibs? | 10:27 |
hunger | Riddell: Thanks. | 10:27 |
Riddell | kdebase | 10:28 |
hunger | Riddell: Found it, thanks! | 10:28 |
Mez | Riddell: I'm assuming that if kdelibs and kdebase go fine - I shouldnt have a problem with the other stuff | 10:29 |
Riddell | Mez: that's the hope yes | 10:31 |
Mez | bhest to check anyways | 10:32 |
Riddell | yes, definatly | 10:33 |
Riddell | my hope is that 3.5.2 will be easy :) | 10:33 |
Mez | lol | 10:33 |
Tm_T | =) | 10:39 |
hunger | Riddell: KDE does ignore the OnlyShowIn, etc. or so it seams at a first glance in kdelibs. | 10:40 |
Mez | Riddell, you're a pain.. | 10:51 |
Mez | have you seen how many things i have to re-backport | 10:52 |
Mez | http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy-backports/kde/ | 10:52 |
Riddell | hunger: hmm, I get gnome-power-manager started, maybe it's in my session | 10:58 |
Mez | Riddell: will everything need to be rebuilt against the new kdelibs? or should it be fine? | 11:02 |
Mez | because - are we going to have to like - backport all KDE apps? | 11:02 |
Riddell | Mez: no, it's all binary compatible | 11:08 |
Mez | oh | 11:08 |
Mez | then i shouldnt need to re-backort stuff | 11:08 |
Riddell | no | 11:08 |
Riddell | otherwise I'd have to rebuild the whole archive each time there was a new kdelibs | 11:08 |
Mez | true | 11:09 |
hunger | Riddell: Is it OK to change the API of kdelibs to fix the gnome-autostart issue or should I better not do that? | 11:09 |
hunger | I'd add a function... that shouldn't cause havok, should it? | 11:09 |
hunger | libarts1-dev has unmet dependencies. | 11:13 |
hunger | kdelibs depends on it... what now? | 11:13 |
Riddell | hunger: adding a function might break ABI I'm not sure | 11:15 |
Riddell | or maybe that's only virtual functions | 11:15 |
hunger | Riddell: adding shouldn't break ABI IIRC... | 11:15 |
Riddell | you'd need to check the ABI compatibility stuff on developer.kde.org | 11:15 |
Riddell | adding something does, I remember it having no logic at all | 11:15 |
hunger | Riddell: I need to check whether it works at all:-) | 11:15 |
Riddell | (unless you know about compiler formats presumably) | 11:15 |
hunger | Riddell: What about libarts1-dev? | 11:16 |
Mez | Riddell, grr - I'm gona have to redo that now | 11:17 |
hunger | Any idea how I can install that? | 11:18 |
Riddell | hunger: it's in main | 11:19 |
Riddell | Mez: what? why? | 11:19 |
hunger | Riddell: It is not installable. | 11:19 |
Riddell | hunger: why not? | 11:19 |
Mez | Riddell, because it syncs from dapper | 11:20 |
Mez | if you're changing arts - I need to check the new version backportds | 11:20 |
hunger | Riddell: unmet dependencies: libarts1-dev: Depends: libarts1c2a (= 1.5.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu1 | 11:20 |
Riddell | Mez: I'm not changing arts | 11:20 |
hunger | Riddell: Depends: libartsc0-dev (= 1.5.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed | 11:20 |
Mez | thought you were ? | 11:20 |
Riddell | Mez: no, what made you think that? | 11:21 |
Riddell | hunger: that's broken, I think arts 4:3.5.1 was a mistake I made when first asking for testers of something | 11:21 |
Mez | you were talking about it - an changing it now ? | 11:22 |
hunger | Riddell: So what can I do to make apt install the beast? | 11:22 |
Riddell | Mez: it was the lsb/base-files issue, but arts already build-deps on them | 11:23 |
Riddell | hunger: what does apt-cache policy libartsc1c2a say? | 11:24 |
hunger | W: Unable to locate package libartsc1c2a | 11:25 |
Riddell | apt-cache policy libarts1c2a | 11:28 |
hunger | Installed: 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu1 | 11:29 |
hunger | Candidate: 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu1 | 11:29 |
Mez | ibarts1c2a: | 11:29 |
Mez | Installed: 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 | 11:29 |
Mez | Candidate: 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 | 11:29 |
Mez | Version table: | 11:29 |
Mez | *** 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 0 | 11:29 |
Mez | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages | 11:29 |
Mez | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 11:29 |
hunger | Version table: | 11:30 |
hunger | *** 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu1 0 | 11:30 |
hunger | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 11:30 |
hunger | 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 0 | 11:30 |
hunger | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages | 11:30 |
Riddell | hunger: I'm afraid I think you need to remove arts and then reinstall everything | 11:30 |
Mez | Riddell:it seems to be doing some post-processing | 11:31 |
Riddell | Mez: what does? | 11:31 |
Mez | no - i mean it's got to the post-processin stage | 11:31 |
Riddell | kdelibs? | 11:32 |
Mez | yeah | 11:32 |
hunger | Riddell: Thanks, that fixes it. | 11:32 |
Riddell | that's a good sign :) | 11:32 |
Mez | * Post-processing files in kdecore/html | 11:32 |
Mez | Riddell: thats why i told you | 11:32 |
Mez | Riddell: It just hit the install target | 11:35 |
Mez | w00t | 11:35 |
hunger | Riddell: When I do dpkg-buildpackage in kdelibs, will that override my patch? | 11:36 |
Riddell | Mez: lets just hope it's creating the correct packages | 11:36 |
Riddell | hunger: no | 11:36 |
Riddell | hunger: use debuild | 11:36 |
Riddell | (does the same thing but with extra checks | 11:36 |
hunger | Riddell: Well, it does remove my patch... but since I put it into debian/patches it reapplied it right away;-) | 11:37 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: ping | 11:45 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: hi | 11:45 |
hunger | How long does kdelibs need to build approximately? | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | :) you are on | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: i have good news and bad news for you | 11:46 |
Mez | hunger, so far an hour and 25 mins | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | the good: dapper debs finished uploading. The bad: the breezy debs: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8131 | 11:46 |
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Riddell | Hobbsee: export LANG=C | 11:47 |
Hobbsee | and that'll fix the error at the end? | 11:48 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: sed -i 's/&kmousetool;/KMouseTool/' doc/kword/a11y.docbook | 11:48 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: debuild -nc | 11:48 |
Hobbsee | ok, trying that | 11:49 |
Hobbsee | argh, i was going to reboot before doing that.... | 11:49 |
Hobbsee | too late | 11:49 |
Hobbsee | maybe i will, and cancel it | 11:50 |
Riddell | debuild -nc don't compile everything again, just the install stages | 11:50 |
hunger | floam: That might still be in time for etch;-) | 11:51 |
hunger | Sorry for that... wrong channel again. | 11:52 |
Riddell | sebas: are you able to book another bed at fosdem? | 11:52 |
hunger | Riddell: Will you be at fosdem? | 11:53 |
Riddell | hunger: should be yes | 11:53 |
Riddell | I'm giving a talk | 11:53 |
hunger | Riddell: I have not yet checked the list of speakers. | 11:53 |
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hunger | Riddell: I think I owe you a couple of beers for your work. Maybe I can make it to brussels:-) | 11:54 |
Riddell | :) | 11:55 |
Riddell | I'm only in the KDE room | 11:55 |
sebas | Riddell: There's exactly one bed left. | 11:55 |
hunger | Riddell: Well, usually everybody meets up at some bar on friday:-) | 11:56 |
Riddell | sebas: ooh, can I book it then? | 11:56 |
sebas | Riddell: Yes. | 11:56 |
sebas | Could you send me an email with the address, and preferably FOSDEM in the subject line, so I don't loose track? | 11:57 |
Mez | FUCK | 12:00 |
Mez | I just accidentally deleted the .debs | 12:00 |
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Mez | I've spent 2 hours building tht | 12:00 |
Mez | oh | 12:00 |
Mez | actually | 12:00 |
Mez | might not have yet | 12:01 |
Mez | I dont know if it copied the result out | 12:01 |
Riddell | debuild -nc is your friend | 12:01 |
Riddell | sebas: will do | 12:01 |
Mez | Riddell, cept I'm having to use pbuilds :D remember? | 12:01 |
Riddell | oh, yeah | 12:01 |
Mez | /bin/sh: --attr=language,section,Language Section: command not found | 12:01 |
Mez | o_o | 12:01 |
Riddell | ? | 12:01 |
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sebas | Riddell: Excellent. | 12:02 |
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