=== allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:30] morning all [12:31] 'lo [12:31] :) [12:35] Riddell: ping === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@c-68-82-230-35.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:13] Riddell, ping === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:15] somehow I managed to lose my ability to have kde clock applet show anything but utc tz. [03:16] if I go to adjust date and time the right time is there. [03:17] right click, onfigure clock -> timezones [03:17] Mez: yeah, I know, nothing there. [03:17] nothing ? [03:17] Show timezones has "Local Timezone" and "Configure Timezones" [03:17] Configure timezones will only allow me to select UTC. [03:18] hmm? [03:18] what makes it so you cant select anything else? [03:18] tzconfig is set to Eastern. ntpdate grabs the right timezone, date shows the right time, it's just kde. [03:18] Mez: that's all that's listed. [03:18] weirdness [03:20] root@jkd:~# tzselect [03:20] /usr/bin/tzselect: line 53: /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab: No such file or directory [03:20] perhaps libc6 is foobar. [03:20] try this [03:20] sudo apt-get install --reinstall kicker-applets [03:21] okay, now I'll log out/in. [03:21] (hit ctrl+alt+backspace) [03:22] or killall -9 kicker && kicker === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:22] any luck? [03:23] nope. [03:23] I even wiped out the config file for clock_panelapplet [03:31] do you have any kde-i18n package installed [03:31] Mez: no, I was just looking at that too. [03:31] reading #kde ? [03:32] no. [03:32] try adding a new user - logging in as them - and seeing if that works [03:33] LeeJunFan: there's already a bug for this [03:33] Hobbsee, there is? [03:33] \ sh and i filed one last night for it [03:34] Mez: yep, want the link? [03:34] please [03:34] launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30546 [03:34] Hobbsee: heh, it just started for me seemingly out of the blue. [03:34] Hobbsee: owell, thanks. I can stop beating my head against the wall now. [03:34] hehe - i found it last night, and got so confused [03:35] hehe [03:35] so i'm so screwed in regards to time - it tells me it's 2.35 am, and i know darn well it isnt, cos the sun is up!!! [03:36] yeah, 9:36pm here [03:36] so it shows as a whole different day too. [03:36] hehe of course === Mez marks as bug in libc6 === Hobbsee displays puppy dog eyes at Mez - want to fix it for us??? please? [03:49] Hobbsee, i dont have access to main [03:49] pity - send a patch to someone who does or something? === Hobbsee doesnt really know how this stuff works [03:49] plus - if i did - i wouldnt touch glibc, i dont know what jbailets been doing to it [03:50] jbailey * [03:50] yeah, that's a bad package to get fubared too bad. [03:50] ah ok [04:04] Hobbsee: op in kubuntu right? got some moron going nuts there. [04:05] a couple actually. [04:05] nalioth got em. [04:06] LeeJunFan: yeah, but i was afk sorry [04:08] moral of the story - hobbsee should never go find lunch! === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #kubuntu-devel ["going] [04:27] i'm going to ask a basic question, but it kinda has to do with development <---pre-warning [04:27] is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop, like stock KDE in kubuntu? === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.189] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:18] Riddell: known issue? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i8051 [08:41] Tm_T, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30546 [08:41] known issue in libc6 :) [08:42] aah! [08:42] seth <3 [08:42] haha [08:42] I didn't know what bug that is [08:42] I just found it a few minutes ago [08:42] it also messes up your clock and sets it to UTC [08:43] seth: well, that's how I noticed it [08:43] yep [08:43] I like how when you hover over the clock [08:43] it's the same time EVERYWHERE :P [08:43] aye! =) [08:44] funny, that's why the text "so global that doesn't care local times" [08:46] that's a related issue that may help them though, I would post it on the bug :) [08:46] your screenshot that is [08:46] yu [08:47] thanks [08:47] do that, I get more breakfast -> [08:48] haha [08:48] done :) [09:03] hum, maybe I should register to that === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:29] Riddell: ping ? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A6170C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ is now known as hunger === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:04] Tonio_: hi === Hobbsee waves to Riddell [01:05] hi Hobbsee === Hobbsee considers defenestrating her wireless card === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] Riddell: just working on the settings, fyi [01:35] Riddell: Are you around? [01:35] Riddell: Any idea how to stop the gnome-desktop files in /usr/share/autostart from starting in KDE? [01:37] hunger: no idea, how did they get there? [01:37] hmm, OnlyShowIn=GNOME; [01:37] maybe we need to make KDE respect that [01:37] Riddell: gnome-volume-manager and gnome-power-manager install them there now that gnome-session seams to support /usr/share/autostart. [01:38] that must be new [01:38] Riddell: It is. [01:38] Riddell: Gnome seams to have stolen the idea from kde... [01:38] I wonder if that means KDE stuff autostarts in gnome [01:39] Riddell: It does not. I tested. [01:39] Riddell: concerning the dpi, I set it to 100, are you fine with the value ? [01:39] Riddell: the desktop-file spec does not cover autostart at all... no wonder there is some chaos:-) [01:40] Riddell: someone on freedesktop.org wrote it does not matter since /usr/share/autostart contains only DE-independent stuff, with the DE checking in /usr/share/DE/autostart for its own things. [01:41] Riddell: But that was the "best" information I found on the topic. [01:42] No idea whether kde checks there... ubuntu has no such dirs. I guess it was just some interpretation from some random guy anyway. [01:43] sounds like it === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F7708.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:49] Riddell: This annoyed me so much I even tried to switch over to gnome completly:-) [01:49] Riddell: Unfortunately gnome is way to lame to be fun. [01:50] Then I tried updating to kde 4... but ran out of diskspace when grabbing the sources. [01:50] So now I am back to the normal kde3.5.1 ubuntu debs:-) === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.49.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.117.250] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] Riddell:ping === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:45] *yawn* [02:46] uargh! [02:46] oh f*ck [02:46] just spent 3hfor nothing === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:52] night all [02:53] Riddell: expect breezy debs in the morning, i'll upload to the same place as the dapper ones === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-002-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] Mez: hi [03:05] 'lo [03:05] morning [03:06] Riddell: arts needs to depend on base-files to be backported - as it tries to check lsb-release - but that doesnt exist without base-files [03:07] ah yes [03:07] I was waiting on soyuz to open before uploading anything [03:08] It's open ;) [03:08] yep, will do now [03:08] np ;) [03:08] dpnt forget anything else that tries to needs to aswell [03:09] I take it akode works now? [03:09] hopefully though- hte script fu will work and we'll be able to backport it eventually [03:09] arts 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 does build-dep on lsb-release, base-files [03:10] o_O [03:10] so it does [03:11] then why wasnt it working === Mez tries again [03:11] it's broken? :-) [03:13] if i managed to get rid of my menu list in konq - hoe do i get it back? [03:14] menu list? [03:14] yeah, like fiel etc [03:14] file * === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:14] gah [03:14] waht was that [03:14] ? [03:18] it was... me! [03:18] ] ;= [03:31] so, any hints on how to get it back [03:32] only over my dead body! [03:33] ok, more coffee -> [03:36] Mez: you have no menu bar in konqueror? [03:36] nope [03:36] sorted [03:36] control-M === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-002-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:17] seb128: You claim #30506 is a kde bug... are you sure? [04:18] seb128: That is the one about g-v-m desktop files being run by kde. [04:19] seb128: As I understand the desktop file spec the autostart usage is totally undefined... should ubuntu really rely on that kind of behaviour? [04:39] hunger: kde should respect OnlyShowIn=Gnome [04:40] so it's a kde issue [04:40] I believe gnome doesn't work at all for autostart files, so they have their own issues :) [04:58] seth: ok, new locales installing, but I doubt it fixes anything [05:01] Riddell: talking about kicker clock only utc -bug, what I should test? [05:01] ...works \o/ [05:01] interesting [05:03] yeah, install locales 2.3.10 [05:03] Tm_T: is that what fixed it? [05:04] seems so, I restarted twice earlier today [05:05] Riddell: btw: http://www.kolumbus.fi/lliehu/sekalaista-tavaraa/kuva1.png <- I got similar [05:06] maybe I should change my kubuntu-devel list address to gmail [05:07] another thing: https://launchpad.net/people/jussi-kekkonen <- why pointing to jussikekkonen2 in wiki, why 2 [05:08] hmm, I can edit it myself, right? === Tm_T is very new with this launchpad and all [05:08] and I also need caffeine =) === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:18] Tm_T: hmm, why is it going to kubuntu-devel? [05:18] Tm_T: the launchpad to wikipage importer is ofter wrong, you can change it [05:19] Riddell: no I can't: "The Ubuntu WikiName JussiKekkonen is already registered by Jussi Kekkonen." [05:19] well, that's me [05:19] no idea when I registered it though =) [05:20] hmm, I'm registered twice in launchpad [05:20] that explains [05:20] but why when, I don't remember been registering at all [05:22] buzilla import creates accounts I think [05:22] that explains [05:23] have to remove that another one [05:23] interesting that it doesn't send me any notification about that [05:26] hmm, is there any way to remove launchpad account? [05:29] you can merge them [05:30] hmm [05:31] how? [05:39] no idea I'm afraid, should be an option somewhere [05:40] Tm_T, https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge [05:41] tack [05:44] seth: thank you much, I think I get this solved now :p [05:44] np === Tm_T have been playing around mails, svn and almost everything [05:46] today I mean [05:59] seth|away: change it! [05:59] hahaha [05:59] but I'm going to sleep [05:59] oh no [05:59] still... [06:00] I won't marry you if you use awaynick [06:01] Mez: you joined Kubuntu Beasties? [06:01] I dont see why not [06:01] the bugs get assigned to it dont they [06:01] and I just saw it as kubuntu-devel [06:02] Kubuntu beasties? [06:02] Mez: I don't actually know what that group is [06:02] if I made it, it was a long time ago [06:02] :p [06:03] lol [06:03] you're admin of it [06:03] It's kubuntu-devel [06:03] lol [06:03] like ubuntu-devel [06:03] nor do i know [06:03] if it gets bugs assigned to it the e-mail should change to kubuntu-bugs@lists [06:04] I dunno - who set up the group [06:06] we weren't sure [06:07] Beasties sound like the sort of thing I'd put in, but I have no memory of making it [06:07] yeah, what happened to just Kubuntu Team [06:07] now every time I reply to a bug that is owned by the beasties, I get a bounce from the kubuntu-bugs list [06:07] which is annoying === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:12] hmm, I'll have to look at that === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D2665.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-002-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:12] Riddell: question on the help files, if I click on "Kubuntu Quick Guide" in the main screen of Konq, it can't find the help file (dapper flight3, just finished updating everything) [07:14] jjesse: confirmed [07:15] none of them work [07:15] oh well, one more docs thing to fix [07:30] i'm going to ask a basic question, but it kinda has to do with development <---pre-warning [07:30] is there a way to show the Home, System and Trash icons on the desktop, like stock KDE in kubuntu? [07:31] reply question, why would you want to? they're already on the panel :) [07:31] because it's easier to access for me [07:31] is there a way or not [07:33] try sudo cp /usr/share/applications/kde/Home.desktop ~/Desktop [07:34] err, no sudo there === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D2665.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:35] hmm, doesn't work [07:36] I'll need to change kdebase to install them somewhere else. or maybe install them hidden === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:40] hm === Tm_T "hate"desktop icons [07:40] I also hate broken spacebar === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:03] sebas: ping [09:04] Sime: pong [09:04] hi, i'm back from vacation. [09:04] How was it? [09:04] Didn't break a leg and stuff? [09:05] Ade was skiing for only two hours and had to stay in bed for a week :-) [09:05] it was rather warm and sunny. [09:05] Hm, skiing, right? :D [09:05] I got sunburnt everyday. [09:05] snowboard. [09:05] Aye, tried that to, but it seems I'm not made for that kind of endeavour. [09:05] i'm a bit sore in places though, but nothing serious. :-) [09:06] Heh, I don't wanna know the details. [09:06] I've been exploring LDAP in userconfig, already got some code in there [09:06] well, you have to fall over a lot in snowboarding, [09:06] and it hurts when the snow is icy. [09:06] yes, I saw that LDAP stuff. [09:07] I've been doing rollerskating for a couple of years, so I can imagine. [09:07] what is the motivation for the LDAP stuff? === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:07] I need a little more knowledge of LDAP and specific schemes that are used. [09:07] inline skating?? [09:07] Mostly that it has been buggering me to see how easy it is to implement it [09:07] yeah [09:07] for codeyard? or? [09:07] For skolelinux [09:08] ok, thought so. [09:08] In CodeYard, we don't use LDAP. [09:08] Good idea though, I could hack on guidance during working hours :> === Sime has done a hell of a lot of inline skating. [09:08] Ah :) [09:09] In Nijmegen? [09:09] Oz. [09:09] in the 90s. :) [09:09] There's a pool and a miniramp near de Goffert, I'm thinking of trying again. [09:09] Yeah, inline skating is sooooo 90ties ;-) [09:09] I've got a good pair of skates here in Nijmegen. [09:10] I should really do a little sports, but I guess my gear needs an upgrade, and without knowing that I'll use it a lot, I [09:10] d rather not put hundreds of EUR in new gear. [09:10] Besides, I don't see really cool skates in the shops anymore. [09:10] BTW, do you know how Guidance compares to the usability report? [09:10] what is missing / not implemented? [09:10] About half of it. [09:11] coz. the kubuntu feature freeze is real soon. [09:11] feb 23. [09:11] The bigger UI changes in userconfig are missing mainly, but I'd rather concentrate on stability / things that don't break until Dapper is out [09:11] Revamping the UI might cost some time to get stable, and I'm unsure as to how much time I have exactly. [09:11] good, concentrate on the smaller stuff. I think the big UI changes for userconfig need more thought first. [09:12] Yeah. [09:12] I think it might be a good idea to i18n() the strings. [09:12] I was thinking about the group membership issues again (and again), I think we should map the groups to more abstract things. [09:12] such as [09:12] [ ] May gain admin privileges [09:12] [ ] May use the digicam [09:12] (That'd be the groups admin and camera in Kubuntu) [09:13] I'd like to hear Jan's opinion on that approach though. [09:13] displayconfig is in Dapper btw, but it's in the system administration section of kcontrol, dunno why. [09:14] Hm, yeah, translation. [09:14] Should be mostly straightforward. [09:14] Does feature freeze also mean string freeze? [09:14] setup.py should be able to handle outputing the .po files. [09:14] string freeze. dunno. [09:15] Hm, ok. [09:15] It's probably too much work to translate all of guidance short term anyway. [09:15] but we need to get a feature complete release out in the next week or two. (should be doable) [09:16] the only other real new feature is automatically detecting gfx HW changes at boot time... [09:16] Which works quite well on the hardware I have, btw. [09:16] :-) [09:16] and I don't know if Riddell is gaim enough to use it in dapper. [09:17] I'll be using it either way. ;-) [09:17] it is pretty simple and better than leaving a broken system for the user. [09:17] right now if you swap cards then the machine is 'broken'. [09:18] Hm, yeah. I think it should go in aswell. [09:18] Would give us quite some testing coverage :> [09:18] Wait, users, not beta testers :D [09:18] We could blog that it *should* work and ask people to try... [09:19] So we get some bugfixes in before Dapper is out. [09:21] yes, we will have enough stuff to test and fix before the finally dapper release. [09:21] (I just discovered that I need to improve handling for cards with limited video ram...) [09:22] I've got a machine here with 1 AGP card + 2 PCI cards. [09:22] so I'm busy debugging that. ;-) [09:22] you can also specify which card/screen is the primary and which is the secondary screen. [09:23] sebas: feature freeze != string freeze [09:23] Riddell: thanks, [09:23] Sime: game enough to use which? [09:23] Riddell: what is the policy about language support in kubuntu? [09:24] Sime: i18n should be supported [09:24] through gettext [09:24] Riddell: detecting changes in the machine's gfx hw and then automatically running dpkg-reconfigure 'xserver-xorg [09:24] Riddell: which languages? [09:25] Sime: oh that, how much can go wrong :) [09:25] Sime: English is the only requirement, if it produces .po files then they will go into rosetta and people can translate them there [09:26] Riddell: as I was saying, if it works, it is better than the current situation. [09:26] yep [09:27] so will we get a guidance release before February 23rd? [09:27] not quite win/win, more win/breakeven. :-) [09:27] feb 23 => yes, [09:27] before :) [09:27] hopefully a bit early that the 23rd. [09:27] feature freeze is start of 23rd UTC [09:27] so anytime on 22nd is perfect :) [09:27] earlier [09:28] about two weeks then.. [09:28] wonderful === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] sebas: have you set up displayconfig-hwprobe.py to run at boot time? [09:47] Sime: Not that I know. [09:48] Do we want that? [09:48] have you just played with it a bit? [09:48] (Loading python at boot time is something distropeople would not like) [09:48] No, I wasn't aware of its existance. [09:49] oh, check out displayconfig-hwprobe.py then. [09:51] it is rather small and fast. It just checks hw changes at boottime. [09:51] well that is the idea. === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Lmnar"] [10:20] Riddell: ping [10:20] Mez: hi [10:21] Riddell: arts has built and installed fine backported - starting on kdelibs [10:21] Mez: rocking [10:22] Riddell: concerning the kde settings, do you think it is a good idea to enable the double click by default ? [10:22] riddell: if everything goes fine I should be able to request it for backports later today [10:22] Mez: people have been requesting konversation too [10:22] I personnaly don't know anyone that uses simpleclick [10:22] Tonio_: no, too big a change from kde defaults [10:22] Riddell, has konv been uploaded? [10:22] (0.19) [10:22] Mez: yes [10:23] Riddell, might be better to sync from debian ? [10:23] when it's in debian [10:23] why? [10:23] well - there was a lil bug in my package [10:23] not so much a bug - but meh [10:23] that won't help the backport though [10:23] it had gmo files it didnt need [10:24] It'll have to be done after any lde update so it builds right [10:24] hmm [10:24] Is there anything I can do to help fix this gnome-desktop file issue in current dapper? [10:24] I'm gonna have to request everything kde to be backported again [10:25] hunger: sure, program the fix [10:25] lde? [10:25] Riddell: That is the one thing I hoped not to hear;-) [10:26] Riddell: Can you at least point me into a general direction? [10:26] hunger: ksmserver possibly [10:27] It should be in kdebase... or kdelibs? [10:27] Riddell: Thanks. [10:28] kdebase [10:28] Riddell: Found it, thanks! [10:29] Riddell: I'm assuming that if kdelibs and kdebase go fine - I shouldnt have a problem with the other stuff [10:31] Mez: that's the hope yes [10:32] bhest to check anyways [10:33] yes, definatly [10:33] my hope is that 3.5.2 will be easy :) [10:33] lol [10:39] =) [10:40] Riddell: KDE does ignore the OnlyShowIn, etc. or so it seams at a first glance in kdelibs. [10:51] Riddell, you're a pain.. [10:52] have you seen how many things i have to re-backport [10:52] http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy-backports/kde/ [10:58] hunger: hmm, I get gnome-power-manager started, maybe it's in my session [11:02] Riddell: will everything need to be rebuilt against the new kdelibs? or should it be fine? [11:02] because - are we going to have to like - backport all KDE apps? [11:08] Mez: no, it's all binary compatible [11:08] oh [11:08] then i shouldnt need to re-backort stuff [11:08] no [11:08] otherwise I'd have to rebuild the whole archive each time there was a new kdelibs [11:09] true [11:09] Riddell: Is it OK to change the API of kdelibs to fix the gnome-autostart issue or should I better not do that? [11:09] I'd add a function... that shouldn't cause havok, should it? [11:13] libarts1-dev has unmet dependencies. [11:13] kdelibs depends on it... what now? [11:15] hunger: adding a function might break ABI I'm not sure [11:15] or maybe that's only virtual functions [11:15]