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| drfloob | anybody active in here? I've got a question ranging somewhere between development and support | 04:43 |
| mikecrowe | Folks, all my images in evolution-2.5.3 are red X's. How should I fix? | 04:46 |
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| ManuelJ | where did gconf go in dapper? :( | 05:48 |
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| poningru | can someone with the latest ubuntu firefox Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20060130 Ubuntu/1.5.dfsg-4ubuntu6 Firefox/1.5 check out digg and tell me whether or not you can feel the mem hog? | 06:34 |
| poningru | www.digg.com | 06:34 |
| poningru | for almost all other sites the firefox seems fine | 06:34 |
| poningru | just under digg | 06:34 |
| poningru | I want to say its libpng | 06:35 |
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| calc | hal seems to be broken on amd64 | 06:44 |
| calc | it hangs on startup | 06:44 |
| johanbr | calc: Works for me. | 06:45 |
| calc | hmm i wonder if there is any way to debug it | 06:45 |
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| calc | its stuck in a select call | 06:49 |
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| calc | hmm i see several select and poll depending on which one i attach to | 06:50 |
| calc | and one of them "hald-addon-acpi" is stuck in read() | 06:51 |
| calc | and the acpi one seems to be the last one started | 06:52 |
| calc | so probably is the one actually hanging | 06:53 |
| calc | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=351296 | 06:55 |
| calc | that looks like it might be the bug | 06:55 |
| calc | but hal-device-manager can't attach to it | 06:55 |
| calc | malone #30254 seems like the same thing i am seeing also | 07:04 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30254 in hal "Hal freezes on startup..." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30254 | 07:04 |
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| glick | excuse me, when you delete a user, does it delete all traces of him/her? | 07:45 |
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| pitti | Hey everybody | 08:56 |
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| freeflying | pitti: hi | 09:00 |
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| sivang | morning all | 09:15 |
| === sivang hugs pitti_ | ||
| pitti | hi sivang | 09:16 |
| === sivang wonders why CTRL+ click doesn't work as expected in multi selections web forms, and makes curosor turn into a plus icon for moving windows around :) | ||
| freeflying | pitti how about MainInclusion of scim now | 09:16 |
| jdub | sivang: because you've chosen ctrl as the default metacity modifier in the 'windows' preference dialogue? | 09:18 |
| hunger | Hi! | 09:19 |
| hunger | Is it possible to make g-v-m and g-p-m start only for gnome sessions? | 09:19 |
| sivang | jdub: I've never done a selection like did, maybe it's default shipped that way :) | 09:20 |
| jdub | the default is alt | 09:20 |
| Treenaks | jdub: did you get my mail earlier, about mailinglist moderator stuff? | 09:21 |
| sivang | jdub: probably my gf, she likes to play with desktop settings, I just wish she had done it on her own laptop :) but thanks muchly. | 09:21 |
| jdub | Treenaks: hrm, don't think so | 09:22 |
| jdub | Treenaks: oh! yes | 09:22 |
| jdub | Treenaks: doing now | 09:22 |
| Treenaks | sivang: this is why people invented 'multiple accounts' and the 'user switch applet' :P | 09:22 |
| jdub | Treenaks: i'm making dennis owner - do you still want to be moderator? | 09:23 |
| sivang | Treenaks: yeah, I'll set her up one and change my password :) | 09:23 |
| ajmitch_ | Treenaks: but then people have to actually use it :) | 09:23 |
| Treenaks | jdub: no, make him moderator as well please | 09:23 |
| jdub | owners get to be moderators by default - mu ha ha etc. | 09:23 |
| pitti_ | hunger: erm, what do you mean? | 09:24 |
| sivang | Treenaks: what are you going to moderate ? | 09:24 |
| Treenaks | sivang: I used to be moderator of the ubuntu-nl mailing list | 09:25 |
| sivang | eh | 09:26 |
| Treenaks | sivang: but jdub is transferring that to Seveas now | 09:26 |
| pitti | hunger: ah, you mean that with the new autostart desktop files they are started for other DEs, too? | 09:27 |
| hunger | pitti: They are started for kde at least. | 09:27 |
| hunger | pitti: ... and pop up nautilus windows there and stuff. | 09:27 |
| pitti | hunger: OnlyShowIn=GNOME; *shrug* | 09:28 |
| pitti | hunger: iz KDE bug | 09:28 |
| hunger | pitti: For some reason gnome seems to ignore the kde ones. | 09:28 |
| hunger | pitti: I was afraid you'd say that:-) | 09:28 |
| pitti | hunger: I'm not familiar about the coordination of DEs in these new autostart desktop files | 09:29 |
| pitti | hunger: but *if* a DE supports them, it should probably adhere to the spec completely | 09:29 |
| jdub | i don't think any of the autostart stuff is specced | 09:29 |
| pitti | hunger: let's ask Riddell :) | 09:29 |
| hunger | pitti: I am asking here because I read on freedesktop.org that /usr/share/autostart is for DE independent desktop files while /usr/share/ENVIRONMENT/autostart is meant for DE specific ones. But that was a mail only, no spec, so I am not sure about this. | 09:29 |
| pitti | ah, I see | 09:29 |
| pitti | well, I have no problem with moving it to another place | 09:30 |
| pitti | somebody just needs to tell me the right thing to do | 09:30 |
| hunger | pitti: Asking Riddell is a good idea:-) | 09:30 |
| pitti | jdub: that sounds scary | 09:30 |
| hunger | pitti: It is the impression I got as well. | 09:31 |
| hunger | pitti: The desktop file spec contains only stuff relevant to the menu system as I understood it. | 09:31 |
| pitti | yeah, I guess they were never meant to be used for this purpose | 09:31 |
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| Mithrand1r | mdke: poked | 10:08 |
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| jbailey | Do Kubuntu systems install ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard? | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | yes | 10:17 |
| jbailey | Tx. | 10:17 |
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| jbailey | Riddell: Ping? | 10:20 |
| jbailey | Riddell: It seems that 30546 is assigned to kubuntu-devel@l.u.c, which is rejecting my reply to the message. | 10:20 |
| jbailey | (And kindly notifying me of it) | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | wow you're still awake at this time | 10:22 |
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| jbailey | jsgotangco: I'm in the UK atm. =) | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 10:23 |
| jbailey | Otherwise 04h30 would be a little on the late side for me. | 10:23 |
| Treenaks | jbailey: that explains a lot ;) | 10:23 |
| jbailey | (Although it wasn't on Sat night... *g*) | 10:23 |
| Mithrandir | bounce, bounce. :-P | 10:23 |
| jbailey | Treenaks: The funny accent? Yeah, I'll replace it with my other funny accent when I get home. | 10:23 |
| jbailey | I think some of the Montral speak is starting to crawl into my day-to-day speech - I've had a couple people guess that I was from Montral on this trip. | 10:24 |
| mdke | I thought you were from yorkshire | 10:24 |
| Kinnison | jbailey: the day you say "bienvenue" in response to me thanking you, or you say "magasiner" when I ask where you're going, I will be forced to tickle you mercilessly until you repent | 10:29 |
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| mdke | Mithrandir, the poke was because we've had to do another ubuntu-docs package to fix a rather irritating bug (bug 30563), but no worries, siretart is handling it | 10:34 |
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| Mithrandir | mdke: 'k, coolie | 10:34 |
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| jbailey | Kinnison: Like most anglos in Montral, I do refer to the convenience stores as "deps" | 10:34 |
| jbailey | Kinnison: when I came here a few weeks ago, I had to think hard to remember what they were called. | 10:35 |
| Mithrandir | oh, totally unrelated to the changes I did. | 10:35 |
| Kinnison | hehe | 10:35 |
| mdke | yes | 10:35 |
| jbailey | mdke: Eh, really? | 10:35 |
| mdke | jbailey, no | 10:36 |
| jbailey | Oh good. =) | 10:36 |
| jbailey | I'd hate to be mistaken for some pudding. | 10:37 |
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| seb128 | "Paramtrage de debconf (1.4.70ubuntu1) ... | 12:00 |
| seb128 | Can't exec "locale": Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16. | 12:00 |
| seb128 | Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 17. | 12:00 |
| seb128 | Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 65." | 12:00 |
| seb128 | I get that on dist-upgrade | 12:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, jbailey: do you know about that? | 12:00 |
| jbailey | seb128: What version of 'locales' do you have installed? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | ii locales 2.3.7-6 common files for locale support | 12:03 |
| jbailey | seb128: You need a newer version that will pull in belocs-locales-bin | 12:03 |
| seb128 | jbailey: that's what dist-upgrade from this morning gives on my box | 12:03 |
| seb128 | hum | 12:04 |
| seb128 | 2.3.9 0 | 12:04 |
| seb128 | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages | 12:04 |
| seb128 | *** 2.3.7-6 0 | 12:04 |
| seb128 | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 12:04 |
| seb128 | I blame update-manager | 12:04 |
| jbailey | I haven't a clue what you just pasted. | 12:04 |
| seb128 | 2.3.9 is available | 12:04 |
| jbailey | Right. I should figure out why 2.3.10 isn't. | 12:04 |
| seb128 | but update-manager didn't upgrade it for me | 12:04 |
| seb128 | I got a timezone question from libc on upgrade too | 12:05 |
| jbailey | Eh, really? | 12:05 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Have you changed the default mkinitramfs conf at all? | 12:06 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Adam did. I don't maintain that anymore. | 12:06 |
| seb128 | "Running 'tzconfig' to set this system's timezone. | 12:06 |
| seb128 | Your current time zone is set to Europe/Paris | 12:06 |
| seb128 | Do you want to change that? [n] : | 12:06 |
| seb128 | " | 12:06 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Ah. Because it stomps over RESUME= | 12:06 |
| seb128 | jbailey: that's the question I got on libc update | 12:06 |
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| mjg59 | I'll bitch at Adam once he's back | 12:07 |
| pitti | mjg59: btw, I changed pmi.pbb to use ioctls, works fine :) | 12:07 |
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| pitti | mjg59: not yet uploaded, though, since I need to do the script shuffling/handling | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: I think it's potentially touched by the installer, which it shouldn't. | 12:08 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: It has to be touched by the installer, because there's no sane default | 12:08 |
| jbailey | mjg59: We talked a bit about this 2 days ago - he's going to slip it into /etc/default/resume or something like that so that by default noone has to diddle the conffile at all. | 12:08 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Cool | 12:08 |
| jbailey | Dunno if there's a bug filed on it or not, though. I'll look in a sec. | 12:08 |
| jbailey | (Filing another bug atm. *g*) | 12:09 |
| HiddenWolf | why is it that during shutdown I see bittorrentd and rsyncd coming down on my dapper-desktop? | 12:10 |
| mjg59 | pitti: We may need newer hal for full pmu support (or, alternatively, bits need backporting) | 12:11 |
| Lathiat | rsyncd is part of the rsync package | 12:12 |
| HiddenWolf | Lathiat: but should it run by default? | 12:13 |
| jbailey | Whee, I hadn't actually uploaded locales 2.3.10, done. | 12:13 |
| jbailey | that'll fix some other bugs. | 12:13 |
| jbailey | seb128: I think the timezone question is probably glibc getting confused because of the new locales not being there. Would you mind filing a bug with that info in it, and the comment that the timezone settings should probably move to the locales package, rather than being handled in libc6? | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | HiddenWolf: it doesnt unless you tell it to in /etc/default/rsync | 12:14 |
| seb128 | jbailey: ok, will do that now | 12:14 |
| HiddenWolf | Lathiat: hm, it's off then, but I still get a shutdown message about it, which confused me. | 12:15 |
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| Treenaks | BenC: Any idea when the new kernel packages will be out? I'd like to test the sdhci and acpi-sbs stuff :) | 12:26 |
| jbailey | seb128: I'm headed out shortly. Any other timezone ugliness that I need to deal with before I go? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | jbailey: nop, that's just an upgrade question, no hurry :) | 12:28 |
| jbailey | Yeah. I already replied to the bug as well. I'll aim for Wednesday to fix it. | 12:29 |
| seb128 | (the GNOME clock is showing one hour shifting now though) | 12:29 |
| jbailey | I'm really quite curious why your upgrade manager didn't opt to include that in your upgrades, though. | 12:29 |
| jbailey | Is that a good one hour shifting or a bad one? =) | 12:29 |
| seb128 | it's saying there is still one hour before lunch where I feel it's lunch time :p | 12:30 |
| seb128 | (ie: it's UTC instead of UTC+1 which is local time) | 12:30 |
| jbailey | Hmm. | 12:30 |
| jbailey | I'll have a better feel for hacking this when my clock isn't set to UTC. =) | 12:30 |
| seb128 | I think it just displays the UTC time | 12:30 |
| jbailey | I don't want to change my timezone right now, since I'm trying to make sure I leave on time. =) | 12:31 |
| seb128 | he he | 12:31 |
| seb128 | no hurry anyway, we can sort that later :) | 12:31 |
| === StevenK wonders where his windwlab upload went. | ||
| StevenK | I got the accepted mail, but I haven't seen it hit the buildds or the archive. | 12:31 |
| seb128 | buildds are catching up now afaik | 12:32 |
| StevenK | Then the pending list on Launchpad is wrong. :-) | 12:32 |
| jbailey | StevenK: From how long ago? | 12:33 |
| seb128 | jbailey: my clock is fixed after upgrading locales to 2.3.9 | 12:33 |
| jbailey | Even better. | 12:34 |
| jbailey | There will still be some breakage until you get 2.3.10 in. | 12:34 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:34 |
| jbailey | I had forgotten to upload it, so it'll appear sometime soonish. =) | 12:34 |
| StevenK | jbailey: It was upload last night local time, so roughly 23-24 hours ago. | 12:35 |
| StevenK | Er, uploaded | 12:35 |
| jbailey | ah weird. | 12:35 |
| jbailey | No idea, then. the stuff I uploaded on saturday afternoon has been processed and is in there. | 12:36 |
| StevenK | Yeah, I saw that during my digging. | 12:36 |
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| seb128 | I've uploaded rhythmbox on saturday and it was just building this morning | 12:37 |
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| seb128 | ** (time-admin:21179): WARNING **: Could not open */usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab* | 12:42 |
| seb128 | ** ERROR **: Unable to load system timezone database. | 12:42 |
| seb128 | aborting... | 12:42 |
| seb128 | hum | 12:42 |
| jbailey | seb128: Yeah, that's what 2.3.10 fixes. =) | 12:43 |
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| seb128 | jbailey: ah, nice :) | 12:43 |
| pitti | mvo: question for first prize: what's wrong in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-1/ ? :) | 12:43 |
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| StevenK | Interestingly, wget_1.9.1-10ubuntu2.2 only have a copyright, and 1.10.2-1 has nothing. | 12:45 |
| StevenK | Er, 1.9.1-10ubuntu2.2 and onwards | 12:45 |
| mvo | pitti: checking | 12:46 |
| mvo | pitti: I'm re-generating the changelogs now, I don't know what went wrong, because it seems to have happend a long time ago and the logs no longer have it :/ | 12:54 |
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| pitti | mvo: ok, thank you | 12:56 |
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| Tm_T | jbailey: ping | 12:58 |
| jbailey | Tm_T: Pong, but I'm leaves in about 5 minutes. | 12:58 |
| Tm_T | jbailey: about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30546 | 12:59 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30546 in kdebase "kickers clock applet is screwed" [Normal,Confirmed] | 12:59 |
| Tm_T | jbailey: that screenie mentioned there, mine, I do have locales/unknown uptodate 2.3.9 | 12:59 |
| Tm_T | jbailey: just thought you might be interested about that small detail | 12:59 |
| jbailey | Tm_T: I am, can you please put it in the bug itself? | 01:00 |
| jbailey | I will certainly have forgotten it by tomorrow when I look at this again. | 01:00 |
| Tm_T | jbailey: hum, ok, have to register or find my password and username =) | 01:01 |
| jbailey | Tm_T: Basically what we'll need to do is look at your /etc/localtime, figure out what it's pointing to and why that's not good enough for KDE. | 01:01 |
| jbailey | Any bits of that that you can do and note in the bug will be much appreciated. | 01:01 |
| jbailey | I don't know KDE well at all, and don't have a convenient install of it. | 01:01 |
| Tm_T | jbailey: ok, it's only kicker clock applet looking wrong time and no timezones | 01:02 |
| jbailey | Right. But fall back to using the date command at the terminal if you could, please. | 01:03 |
| Tm_T | jbailey: kontact (calendar etc) does follow correct timezone and time | 01:03 |
| Tm_T | yes sir | 01:03 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 01:03 |
| jbailey | Tm_T: In this case, it also might be worth rebooting to see whether or not kicker clock applet got the wrong time from bootup, and you upgraded after. | 01:03 |
| jbailey | The gnome applications are tweaked to cope with things changing underneath them, but I don't know if the KDE ones are. | 01:04 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: I think the KDE timezone applet does the wrong thing when changing timezones | 01:04 |
| Riddell | I'm still to investigate it properly | 01:04 |
| mvo | pitti: your changelogs are back, thanks for telling me | 01:04 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: ok, same problem is in your provided and self compiled kicker | 01:04 |
| Tm_T | jbailey: nope, restart of kicker didn't change anything | 01:04 |
| Riddell | yes, there's no changes in kubunt | 01:05 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: if I can help, just ask | 01:05 |
| Riddell | (yet) | 01:05 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: my selfcompiled has small modifications ;) | 01:05 |
| Tm_T | mostly in clock applet | 01:05 |
| jbailey | Riddell: If you could look into it as well, that would be lovely. Basically, if date is working, then I think glibc / locales are setup correctly. If I'm wrong (and I'm guessing I am), I need to know what you're looking for that's not set correctly. | 01:06 |
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| Riddell | jbailey: it's on my todo list | 01:07 |
| jbailey | Riddell: thanks. | 01:08 |
| jbailey | 'bye all! | 01:08 |
| jdub | how do i find a list of packages that build-dep on something? kamion's seed pages? | 01:09 |
| jdub | (yes) | 01:10 |
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| Tm_T | oh, so I am registered to launchpad, when?! ...I do need regular sleep =) | 01:13 |
| mvo | pitti: I'm doing a big cleaning run on changlogs now, I hope that this fix any outstanding problems | 01:15 |
| Chipzz | jdub: grep-dctrl? :) | 01:15 |
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| zakame | evening devs :) | 01:52 |
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| mikecrowe | Anybody available for a dapper question? I tried yesterday but got no response | 02:19 |
| hunger | mikecrowe: This is not a support channel. But we try to help with development questions if we can. | 02:20 |
| === Chipzz points out the topic to mikecrowe ;) | ||
| mikecrowe | hunger: Understood. The icons within Evolution 2.5.4 out of dapper are not being installed/initialized. I wanted understand how to report/fix | 02:21 |
| Chipzz | if you think it's a bug though, that's something else :) | 02:21 |
| mikecrowe | does that qualify? :-) | 02:21 |
| hunger | Chipzz: Then he should file a bugreport:-) | 02:21 |
| zakame | just ask away, sombody will answer soon, as long as its on-/topic :) | 02:22 |
| hunger | mikecrowe: Well, the trick is to ask. If you get yelled at, then it was offtopic;-) | 02:23 |
| mikecrowe | The icons within Evolution 2.5.4 out of dapper are not being installed/initialized. I will report as bug. Anybody online familiar with how it was built? I'd like to fix | 02:23 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: there is no such bug | 02:25 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: icons are installed | 02:25 |
| torkel | mikecrowe: 2.5.4 sounds old. A as first step try to upgrade and see if it still is in the latest version | 02:25 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: I did the upgrade, and 90% of button icons/message status icons (attachments, etc) are red X's. | 02:26 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: Why say this is not a bug? | 02:26 |
| zakame | lol | 02:27 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: because I'm sure the package does install the icons so you have an another issue | 02:28 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: or everybody would have the bug | 02:28 |
| seb128 | start by upgrading to a recent version | 02:28 |
| seb128 | what icon theme do you use? | 02:28 |
| Kinnison | I've altered the accept mail format a bit | 02:29 |
| mikecrowe | The default, but I can try changing it. | 02:29 |
| Kinnison | does the format used in openscenegraph's accept mail look okay? | 02:29 |
| jdub | seb128: can we upload to universe atm? | 02:31 |
| seb128 | jdub: no reason it shouldn't work afaik | 02:32 |
| Kinnison | universe is fine | 02:32 |
| fabbione | jdub: uploads are open | 02:32 |
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| radone | greetings. I am just trying to find source for "libwxgtk2.6-dev". Could anyone help me? | 02:35 |
| radone | using: deb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe main | 02:35 |
| sistpoty | radone: find what source-package it is or to download the sourcepackage? | 02:36 |
| fabbione | radone: add a line like that one to your sources.list and change deb in deb-src | 02:37 |
| fabbione | apt-get update && apt-get source libwxgtk2.6-dev | 02:37 |
| fabbione | that will do the right thing in an easy way | 02:37 |
| radone | fabbione: Thanks, thats the point. I was using apt-get install and was wondered that it cannot find. | 02:38 |
| fabbione | radone: it's all documented in the manpage for apt | 02:38 |
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| seb128 | mikecrowe: which one? | 02:40 |
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| mikecrowe | seb128: Is there any chance that evolution-data is not included in the latest dapper repositories? I can't find anywhere to change icons themes | 02:40 |
| mikecrowe | I've installed all the latest from the repository | 02:40 |
| seb128 | there is such package | 02:41 |
| seb128 | there is no such package | 02:41 |
| seb128 | it has no -data | 02:41 |
| seb128 | but what icon theme do you use? | 02:41 |
| jdub | fabbione: with your elite (old?) debian/apache hat on, could you please take a quick look at some packages I've made? low priority. | 02:41 |
| fabbione | jdub: sure... | 02:42 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme | 02:42 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme rather | 02:42 |
| mikecrowe | The icons within Evolution 2.5.4 out of dapper are not being installed/initialized. | 02:42 |
| fabbione | jdub: send them now before i start doing something more heavy | 02:42 |
| jdub | fabbione: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/dapper/ ./ (libapache2-mod-annodex) | 02:42 |
| mikecrowe | Ah, not in evolution | 02:42 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: start using an updated package | 02:42 |
| fabbione | jdub: ok | 02:42 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: 2.5.90 | 02:42 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: I am, or I think I am. Let me check | 02:43 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: anyway your issue seems to be with your icon theme not evolution | 02:43 |
| jdub | fabbione: is it conventional to *not* make mods-enabled symlinks by default? | 02:43 |
| fabbione | jdub: yes that is correct | 02:43 |
| fabbione | you install the module, you make it available | 02:44 |
| fabbione | you let the admin decide when to enable it | 02:44 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: I am using .90ubuntu2. Sorry for bad earlier info. Let me use gconftool and see if I can fix that way | 02:44 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: you can get the theme from the theme capplet too | 02:44 |
| jdub | fabbione: cool | 02:45 |
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| mjg59 | Riddell: When using kpowersave, what's the name of the daemon it launches? | 02:45 |
| fabbione | jdub: looks good to me | 02:47 |
| jdub | fabbione: ok, i'll upload! ;-) | 02:47 |
| zakame | radone: wxgtk2.6 probably | 02:53 |
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| radone | zakame: If I need compiling from source - is it enought? or do I need wxgtk2.6-dev ? | 02:55 |
| Riddell | mjg59: powersaved | 03:04 |
| zakame | radone: compiling using wxgtk2.6? yes, I think you'll probably need the -dev | 03:04 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: Ta | 03:05 |
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| jdub | can i do this in a wnpp email? | 03:10 |
| jdub | X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org | 03:10 |
| jdub | X-Debbugs-CC: utnubu-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org | 03:10 |
| jdub | 03:10 | |
| jdub | ? | 03:10 |
| jdub | or should i have a single header with comma delimited addresses? | 03:10 |
| Diziet | (b) | 03:10 |
| jdub | thanks | 03:10 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: I've checked the GTK theme, and even switched it, and here's what I'm seeing: http://www.mikeandkellycrowe.com/evoshot.jpg | 03:11 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: Notice how the print/trash icons are there | 03:11 |
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| seb128 | mikecrowe: what icon theme do you use? | 03:13 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: That's just it: I can't find the theme capplet in the default installation. | 03:14 |
| seb128 | system, preference, theme | 03:14 |
| seb128 | or alt-F2, gnome-theme-manager | 03:15 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: Am I just having a n00b moment? ug, I may be. I'm running icewm right now. | 03:15 |
| mikecrowe | dbus problem with nautilus (caused by me) | 03:15 |
| seb128 | why not starting by that? | 03:15 |
| seb128 | if you use icewm gnome-settings-daemon is not running and the icon theme is not set correctly | 03:16 |
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| mikecrowe | seb128: wow, brought my whole system down. next post to all describes | 03:23 |
| mikecrowe | Folks, I'm getting repeated crashes in /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1 | 03:24 |
| mikecrowe | Can't even run bug-buddy to report. | 03:24 |
| mikecrowe | Any ideas? | 03:24 |
| seb128 | backtrace? | 03:24 |
| seb128 | for your icon issue, that's because you don't use GNOME or gnome-settings-daemon and don't set your icon theme correctly | 03:25 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: BB won't stay up long enough for me to get backtrace | 03:25 |
| seb128 | use gdb | 03:25 |
| mikecrowe | It may have something to do with a dbus issue | 03:25 |
| fabbione | elmo: when/if you have time, could you be so kind to sync apr and apr-util from Debian? they will land in our universe and replace apr1.0 and apr-util1.0 | 03:25 |
| seb128 | your icon issue is trigerred by the move of some icons from hicolor to gnome | 03:26 |
| fabbione | the latter 2 pkgs -> /dev/null | 03:26 |
| seb128 | I've opened http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330061 upstream about that | 03:26 |
| seb128 | feel free to comment on it | 03:26 |
| Ubugtu | gnome2 bug 330061 in general "some applications are broken by the icons move from hicolor to gnome" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 03:26 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: Since the crash is *always* in libthread_db.so.1, is there a chance I have a corrupted/old version of it? | 03:26 |
| seb128 | dunno about that | 03:28 |
| mikecrowe | Any thoughts about what package it lies within? | 03:31 |
| seb128 | get a backtrace | 03:32 |
| mikecrowe | I meant about which .deb contains libthread_db.so.1. I'll google for it | 03:34 |
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| fabbione | dpkg -S libthread_db.so.1 | 03:37 |
| fabbione | will tell you | 03:37 |
| fabbione | that is libc6 | 03:38 |
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| sebest_ | anyone could explain me how to rebuild a package with the debug symbol? | 03:41 |
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| azeem | sebest_: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip | 03:43 |
| sebest_ | azeem: thanx a lot | 03:44 |
| desrt | azeem; does that also give -g? | 03:44 |
| azeem | building with -g is standard I thought | 03:45 |
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| Chipzz | azeem: but that's only if the debian/rules file supports it, right? | 03:48 |
| Chipzz | nowhere near a standard way to build with debugging info iirc... | 03:49 |
| azeem | "By default, when a package is being built, any binaries created should include debugging information" | 03:50 |
| azeem | policy 10.1 | 03:50 |
| sebest_ | azeem it worked well for network-manager | 03:51 |
| Chipzz | azeem: I was referring to the 'export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip' thing | 03:52 |
| Chipzz | azeem: google for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, you'll find a whole lot of debian/rules excerpts | 03:52 |
| azeem | Chipzz: man dh_strip | 03:53 |
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| azeem | if the package is not using debhelper, then yes, you need to handle it in rules explicitely, but this is rather uncommon these days | 03:53 |
| Chipzz | azeem: ifneq (,$(findstring noopt,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) | 03:53 |
| Chipzz | and stuff like that | 03:53 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: it is standard | 03:53 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: dh-make has the adapted CFLAGS by default for debian/rules when you create a package | 03:53 |
| seb128 | and CDBS does the same | 03:53 |
| azeem | Chipzz: noopt is a different matter indeed | 03:54 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kinnison] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | Ubuntu/on/Soyuz rolled out 20060204 | ||
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| mikecrowe | fabbione: seb128: (sheepish). Somehow, my libc6 was old. I must have botched the upgrade. Installing now. | 03:57 |
| mikecrowe | seb128: Is there a quick symlink fix for the icons hicolor issue until resolved? | 03:57 |
| seb128 | mikecrowe: nop, set your icon theme correctly would be a better fix | 03:58 |
| mikecrowe | general question: after libc6 upgrade, is that a reboot upgrade? | 03:59 |
| Chipzz | mikecrowe: not strictly necessary... but a lot of shit will actually still be using the old libc6 until you reboot or restart the stuff in question, yes | 03:59 |
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| sebest_ | there is no way to mark a bug as a duplicate in malone? | 04:09 |
| seb128 | top right frame | 04:11 |
| seb128 | "Mark as Duplicate" | 04:11 |
| sebest_ | ah ok i was looking in the status | 04:11 |
| sebest_ | seb128: should we close the bugs that are dups? (after having mark it as a duplicate) | 04:15 |
| seb128 | just marking it as duplicate should be enough | 04:16 |
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| sebest_ | seb128: they will be automatically close when the main bug get closed? | 04:16 |
| seb128 | I don't know, ask on #launchpad probably | 04:17 |
| seb128 | I consider a dup as a something rejected or whatever else like that | 04:17 |
| seb128 | but I might be wrong | 04:17 |
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| sebest_ | yes but they stay in status "unconfirmed" | 04:18 |
| sebest_ | i'll ask on launchpad | 04:18 |
| mvo | pitti: around? should the cupsys-driver-gutenprint postinst fail if cupsys force-reload fails on a upgrade? | 04:19 |
| Kinnison | hooker has been reenabled after maintenance | 04:19 |
| Kinnison | ia64 is back to two buildds | 04:19 |
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| ogra | hmm, which god do i pray to for give back stuff as long as infinity is travelling ? | 04:21 |
| Seveas | <Kinnison> hooker has been reenabled after maintenance <-- that sounds so bad when taken out of context... | 04:23 |
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| Tm_T | ok, this is interesting, fellow user tried to use launchpad, got interesting mail: http://www.kolumbus.fi/lliehu/sekalaista-tavaraa/kuva1.png | 04:39 |
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| Kinnison | dagnabbit rm -rf is slow | 05:04 |
| Kinnison | but not as slow as backing up 12G more than I need to | 05:04 |
| Kinnison | :-) | 05:04 |
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| Diziet | What Malone status should I give a bug when I want to get it off our todo list because I think the issue should be handled upstream ? | 05:10 |
| Diziet | Bugzilla had NOTFORUS or whatever it was called. | 05:10 |
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| Kinnison | Diziet: best to ask that on #launchpad if you haven't already | 05:16 |
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| jdub | fabbione, pitti: how does this new snakeoil cert stuff work? | 05:20 |
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| AlinuxOS | hello all | 05:21 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, hello bro, I've got one question.. | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | Sure | 05:21 |
| fabbione | jdub: farly simple.. ssl-cert creates a snaekoil cert in a standard location. all daemon configs are changing to use them by default. | 05:21 |
| jdub | fabbione: aha | 05:21 |
| AlinuxOS | yesterday, I've installed .deb made by you... | 05:22 |
| AlinuxOS | but whole interface uses Courier BPG ttf font... | 05:22 |
| AlinuxOS | and GUI become very ugly... | 05:22 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: Can you reconfigure that in the Gnome settings? | 05:23 |
| AlinuxOS | how can we change priority to BPG_Glaho.ttf | 05:23 |
| fabbione | jdub: so if you want to replace the cert with a valid one, you can do it in one shot for all services | 05:23 |
| jdub | fabbione: i will switch flumotion to that :) | 05:23 |
| jdub | fabbione: it should use /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem directly? | 05:23 |
| fabbione | jdub: Depends: ssl-cert (lastversion) | 05:23 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, no I've deleted other 2 fonts... to get working Glaho.ttf | 05:23 |
| fabbione | jdub: /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem <- cert and /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key | 05:24 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: You mean the fonts preferences didn't work? | 05:24 |
| fabbione | (check the latter path please) | 05:24 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, no | 05:24 |
| AlinuxOS | I would like to ask you... | 05:24 |
| AlinuxOS | if there is the way to say to GNOME to use Glaho.ttf | 05:24 |
| AlinuxOS | like default font for a gui. | 05:25 |
| fabbione | jdub: take into account that the key is readable only by root for now. If flumotion needs to run as user, please wait for the next ssl-cert upload. | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: Yes. In the fonts preferences. | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: However, that doesn't help why it's picking it by default | 05:25 |
| jdub | fabbione: ok! thanks :) | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: I'll look into that | 05:25 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, If you could change something, and make BPG_Glaho.ttf by default....It would be great. | 05:25 |
| Diziet | apt-get upgrade just asked me a question about my timezone. Is this a known problem or shall I report it ? | 05:26 |
| fabbione | jdub: basically we are going to create a ssl-cert group and daemons that run as user can belong to that group to read the key. | 05:26 |
| fabbione | jdub: and the admin will have option to allow/disallow usage of it | 05:26 |
| AlinuxOS | I saw that ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.hints | 05:26 |
| AlinuxOS | has Priority line inside | 05:26 |
| AlinuxOS | BPG_Chveulebrivi.ttf BPG_Courier.ttf and BPG_Glaho.ttf have "Priority = 20" | 05:27 |
| AlinuxOS | by default system recorgnises BPG_Chveulebrivi.ttf for a general GUI. | 05:28 |
| AlinuxOS | but the main font is BPG_Glaho.ttf | 05:28 |
| AlinuxOS | maybe you can change priority inside a conf file, or change names and give first plase to BPG_Glaho.ttf? | 05:29 |
| AlinuxOS | maybe 01_BPG_Glaho.ttf :) | 05:29 |
| AlinuxOS | yesterday I was thinking about this problem :) | 05:29 |
| Tm_T | hum, there's any way to remove launchpad account, ro can you hint me correct place to ask this? | 05:29 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: To the best of my knowledge, defoma (which is what reads the hint file) doesn't interact with freetype. But I'll look into it. | 05:30 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, unic thing that you can improve is to set BPG_Glaho.ttf by default, or important then other 2s. | 05:31 |
| AlinuxOS | or I have another idea...maybe put BPG_Glaho.ttf alone in directory and make different directory to other 2 fonts.. | 05:32 |
| AlinuxOS | I don't know :) | 05:32 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: Once I've worked out how to do that, I will do | 05:32 |
| mjg59 | AlinuxOS: Currently I have no idea how to | 05:32 |
| AlinuxOS | pitti, hello :) have you changed something with gnome-menus... ?? | 05:32 |
| AlinuxOS | now it's work :) | 05:32 |
| pitti | he AlinuxOS | 05:32 |
| pitti | AlinuxOS: good to hear | 05:33 |
| AlinuxOS | pitti, great news | 05:33 |
| AlinuxOS | now we have Georgian GPLed fonts too :) | 05:33 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Mind if I upload a new hal with a couple of small patches (better support for sending keyboard hotkeys, should be in upstream soon) | 05:33 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, has done great job :) | 05:34 |
| pitti | mjg59: not at all, fire away :) | 05:34 |
| AlinuxOS | so you could link http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts_0.1_all.deb fonts to a georgian-locales | 05:34 |
| ogra | lamont, are you still the person to nag for give back stuff ? | 05:34 |
| AlinuxOS | or include them into main maybe. | 05:34 |
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| lamont | ogra: not this week. maybe next. | 05:35 |
| ogra | ok | 05:35 |
| ogra | do you happen to know who it is this week ? | 05:35 |
| AlinuxOS | pitti, is it possible to get them into main ? | 05:35 |
| pitti | AlinuxOS: get what into main? | 05:36 |
| AlinuxOS | georgian ttf fonts. | 05:36 |
| pitti | sorry, reading backscroll now | 05:36 |
| AlinuxOS | because in this moment there is no georgian fonts for GNOME | 05:36 |
| AlinuxOS | gucharmap dosen't shows georgian charachters...but some squares :) | 05:37 |
| pitti | mvo: actually not | 05:37 |
| mvo | pitti: do you mind if I change it so that it not fails (appending a || true) ? | 05:38 |
| pitti | mvo: no, that seems fine | 05:38 |
| pitti | mvo: but a failing reload of cupsys seems to be the actual problem | 05:38 |
| pitti | mvo: I thought I had this fixed in the latest version | 05:39 |
| mvo | pitti: I had the problem in my chroot when it complained that the adress is already in use (that was correct :) but the postinst failed then | 05:42 |
| pitti | mvo: ok, that seems like a reasonable failure then ;) | 05:43 |
| pitti | mvo: yes, ||true seems right then | 05:43 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks :) | 05:45 |
| jdub | BenC: does the dapper kernel support the promise fasttrak tx4300 (PDC40719 chip) sata board? | 05:53 |
| jdub | BenC: seems openbsd supports it | 05:53 |
| jdub | BenC: and it's not wildly different from existing supported bits | 05:53 |
| ogra | no bcm43xx update ? :( | 05:54 |
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| Diziet | mvo: Was it you who was complaining about firefox-dev.pc ? | 06:08 |
| mvo | Diziet: yes | 06:08 |
| Diziet | err, firefox-gtkmozembed.pc | 06:08 |
| mvo | Diziet: yes | 06:08 |
| Diziet | So the problem is that it can't find some nspr headers, not that it can't find the gtkmozembed itself ? | 06:08 |
| Diziet | What package fails to build ? | 06:09 |
| mvo | Diziet: the c program in the pymozembed testprogram, but I can open a seperate bug for it if you want | 06:09 |
| Diziet | No, no. | 06:09 |
| Diziet | Oh, yes, it's all coming back to me now. | 06:09 |
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| mvo | Diziet: let me know if you need more details etc | 06:12 |
| Diziet | The problem you saw was a runtime linking failure ? That's what I see. | 06:13 |
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| AlinuxOS | mjg59, bro, whan you have a solution for our font prefencies problem, just ping me :) thank you for all... | 06:16 |
| mvo | Diziet: while talking about ff, do you have a new opinion about # 19636 ? | 06:16 |
| mvo | Diziet: just reproduced the problem, yes it's the pymoz.c link failures that are the problem | 06:17 |
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| mvo | and the fact that I had to add -lxpcom_core by hand and set a rpath to /usr/lib/firefox | 06:18 |
| Diziet | link failures> at runtime, not compile-time. | 06:18 |
| Diziet | I'm going to move the libraries. I don't like the idea of having a .pc file add an rpath. rpaths are pretty lame really. | 06:18 |
| Diziet | gcc `pkg-config --cflags --libs firefox-gtkmozembed gtk+-2.0 ` pymoz.c -o lala | 06:18 |
| Mez | jbailey: ping | 06:18 |
| Diziet | works now for me, making a working binary. | 06:19 |
| Mez | he's not here | 06:19 |
| Mez | damn | 06:19 |
| Diziet | (Well, one that segfaults due to the other bug ...) | 06:19 |
| Diziet | 19636> Well hupped. | 06:19 |
| mvo | http://pastebin.com/541838 | 06:19 |
| mvo | the failures when I just use pkg-config | 06:20 |
| mvo | Diziet: "hupped" ? | 06:20 |
| Diziet | Err, maybe that's Cambridge jargon. Um, chased, put back onto the top of the attention-stack, etc. | 06:20 |
| mvo | Diziet: :) | 06:21 |
| mvo | Diziet: the problem with the link failure is that pkg-config .pc file should take care of it. I wonder why epiphany build | 06:22 |
| mvo | seb128: does epiphany use firefox-gtkmozembed.pc file? | 06:22 |
| mvo | Diziet: I didn't wanted to suggest to include the rpath, heaven knows that :) | 06:22 |
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| Diziet | Moving the libraries makes it work without changing the .pc so I'm going to do that. | 06:23 |
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| mvo | Diziet: I'm testing if I get the link failure on a different system as well, or if it only happens on my laptop now | 06:23 |
| pitti | mdz: mysql-dfsg-4.1 is ready to go into universe; do you know how to do this in soyuz? :) | 06:24 |
| Diziet | 19636> Something more sophisticated seems to be upstream now. Can you confirm it fixed in our 4ubuntu6 ? | 06:25 |
| Diziet | mvo: I reproduced at least some of your problems with the libs in the normal place. | 06:25 |
| Diziet | Err, in fact I think I can reproduce all of them. And they're fixed in my tests. | 06:26 |
| mvo | Diziet: I get linking errors on a different system as well | 06:26 |
| Diziet | Right. That's fine. It's going to be fixed. What about 19636 ? | 06:26 |
| mvo | Diziet: checking now, give me a moment | 06:26 |
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| mdke | siretart, any luck with that upload? | 06:28 |
| Diziet | mvo: Sure. | 06:29 |
| Diziet | That extra stuff that it has now about G_SIGNAL_TYPE_STATIC_SCOPE suggests to me that the original diff was wrong in some subtle way to do with memory management. So I guess I was right to reject it :-). | 06:30 |
| mvo | Diziet: a small problem is that I can't really test if it works (I'll look at the code now), because to test it I would need working pymozembed :P | 06:30 |
| Diziet | ROTFL. | 06:30 |
| Diziet | If we're really lucky the pymozembed will be fixed in 1.5.0.1. | 06:31 |
| mvo | Diziet: did you got some feedback from upstream already? | 06:31 |
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| Diziet | No. They uppped the priority of my report though. | 06:31 |
| Diziet | Oh, they did ask `had I tried valgrind' :-). | 06:32 |
| Diziet | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325884 | 06:32 |
| sivang | Diziet: I read on some statu report that AutomatedTesting is released, are there any packages already using the control stanzas? | 06:34 |
| Diziet | No, none in any archive. Soon there will be one :-). | 06:35 |
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| mvo | Diziet: the patch in the current ff looks good (19636), I *think* the static_scope thing is only a optimization to avoid unneeded ref/unref, but I'm not critising you for not accepting my patch (it was rather late in the cycle when I send it to you) | 06:37 |
| Diziet | mvo: Excellent. I like it when there's nothing to do. | 06:37 |
| Amaranth | 1.5.0.1 is out, isn't it? | 06:37 |
| Diziet | Yes, well, it's out upstream. | 06:38 |
| Diziet | I'm about to start my test build (phew). | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | good luck | 06:38 |
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| Amaranth | (the trick is, you get someone else to make a small change then start calling them the maintainer) ;) | 06:39 |
| Diziet | Thank you. I _think_ I won't need it this time so I shall save it up for when I have a magical disappearing crasher bug. | 06:39 |
| pitti | doko: ping | 06:47 |
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| mdz | pitti: no, I don't. Kinnison? | 06:54 |
| Kinnison | mdz: pardon? | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | Gah. Yes, fontconfig really does seem to be picking a monospaced font in preference to a sensible one. | 06:58 |
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| mdz | Kinnison: <pitti> mdz: mysql-dfsg-4.1 is ready to go into universe; do you know how to do this in soyuz? :) | 06:59 |
| Kinnison | universe? | 07:00 |
| Kinnison | is this a security update? | 07:00 |
| pitti | Kinnison: no, just for dapper | 07:01 |
| pitti | Kinnison: we rebuilt everything against 5.0 client libs | 07:01 |
| Kinnison | Oh, then just upload it | 07:01 |
| Kinnison | dapper is plain and simple | 07:02 |
| pitti | Kinnison: erm, I don't have anything to upload for 4.1 | 07:02 |
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| ogra | Kinnison, do you do give-back stuff this week ? | 07:02 |
| Kinnison | pitti: oh you mean a demote | 07:02 |
| pitti | Kinnison: I just want it in universe | 07:02 |
| Kinnison | ogra: yes | 07:02 |
| pitti | Kinnison: right | 07:02 |
| Kinnison | pitti: right, elmo is the one to do this right now (I don't know how to drive his tools) | 07:02 |
| ogra | Kinnison, could you please give back inputattach then ? | 07:02 |
| mdz | ogra: can't you do that through the web UI? | 07:03 |
| Kinnison | mdz: not yet, only admins can. this is on the RSN todo list | 07:03 |
| Kinnison | ogra: that's four failed-to-builds | 07:03 |
| Kinnison | ogra: you want them sent back to try again? | 07:03 |
| Kinnison | I.E. all four archs? | 07:04 |
| ogra | Kinnison, a header file was missing in linux-kernel-headers, jbailey added it in the last upload | 07:04 |
| ogra | Kinnison, yup, all four | 07:04 |
| Mez | ogra, yes - but he also broke libc6 | 07:04 |
| Mez | in the upload before that | 07:04 |
| Kinnison | ogra: I've reset those build records | 07:04 |
| ogra | Kinnison, thanks :) | 07:05 |
| Kinnison | Hopefully we'll have the UI tweaks to let adam and lamont do this RSN | 07:05 |
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| ogra | Kinnison, btw, would it be possible to show all the statuses upside down (i.e. newest logs, builds on top) it will get really annoying to have to click the next button n times to get to the recent log/build | 07:06 |
| Kinnison | lamont: It's all fairly easy | 07:06 |
| Kinnison | lamont: in the short term, getting used to finding things in the UI will help | 07:06 |
| lamont | Kinnison: like most things.... | 07:06 |
| Kinnison | ogra: UI stuff, file bugs | 07:06 |
| ogra | oki | 07:07 |
| lamont | Kinnison: yes.. must have that brain-ectomy | 07:07 |
| BenC | jdub: it should be supported | 07:07 |
| lamont | Kinnison: is daily-di (1) in launchpad, and (2) happening? | 07:07 |
| BenC | jdub: I have an sata_promise card on my system (with fastrack) and it is working fine | 07:07 |
| ogra | BenC, is there a bcm43xx update planned in one of your next uploads ? my ibook hardlocks fairly ofte ,,, | 07:07 |
| ogra | *often | 07:07 |
| BenC | next upload | 07:08 |
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| Amaranth | yay! | 07:08 |
| BenC | odd, mine never locks up | 07:08 |
| ogra | cool ! :) | 07:08 |
| BenC | I never take it out of AP range much though | 07:08 |
| BenC | it sits on my desk :) | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | stupid broadcom chip is the reason i don't run ubuntu right now | 07:08 |
| Kinnison | lamont: (1) no (2) no | 07:08 |
| BenC | Amaranth: we already have bcm43xx in dapper | 07:08 |
| Kinnison | lamont: mdz et al. need to decide how they want to do it | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | BenC: I know | 07:08 |
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| ogra | it happens during dhcp negotiation (which only works after the 10th try or so) | 07:08 |
| Kinnison | lamont: I was under the impression they were pondering regular automated sourceful uploads | 07:09 |
| Amaranth | BenC: flight 2 (i think) worked once for 2 minutes, flight 3 didn't even get as far as flight 2 | 07:09 |
| ogra | BenC, if it runs once, its stable | 07:09 |
| Amaranth | ogra: it more than likely fails to associate with the AP | 07:09 |
| lamont | Kinnison: ah, yes.... it is true that those are the only binNMU's in the post-warty world | 07:09 |
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| ogra | Amaranth, i see the ap in iwconfig ... | 07:09 |
| Amaranth | iwconfig tells me it's using an ap while softmac is still trying to associate | 07:10 |
| ogra | hmm | 07:10 |
| Amaranth | but that'd be why dhcp isn't working the first time | 07:10 |
| ogra | first place i only care about the hardlocks ... | 07:11 |
| Amaranth | i haven't seen those | 07:11 |
| ogra | dhcp is the next issue to look after | 07:11 |
| Amaranth | probably because i can't even make the stupid thng work | 07:11 |
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| Amaranth | stupid apple, using crap hardware | 07:12 |
| ogra | it works fine for me, but i need several reboots and have the system hanging on first start ... after this i see no issues at all | 07:12 |
| ogra | s/hangin/locking up/ | 07:12 |
| BenC | Amaranth: you may need to kick it down to 11M | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | did that too | 07:13 |
| BenC | 54M seems to be broken for some people (me included) | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | with flight 3 i couldn't make it work at all | 07:13 |
| BenC | I've been using bcm43xx on my powerbook for over a month now, and it hasn't given me any issues | 07:14 |
| Amaranth | with flight 2 i spent about 30 minutes resetting the essid and checking dmesg over and over | 07:14 |
| Amaranth | and then it died 2 minutes later :( | 07:14 |
| BenC | using it right now, as a matter of fact | 07:14 |
| mdz | lamont: if Kinnison is comfortable with all the binNMUs, we can switch on the old system I suppose | 07:14 |
| === ogra as well | ||
| mdz | lamont: I'm partial to just doing daily sourceful uploads of d-i and not special-casing it anymore | 07:14 |
| BenC | pre-up iwconfig eth0 rate 11M | 07:14 |
| BenC | pre-up ifconfig eth0 up | 07:14 |
| BenC | pre-up sleep 2 | 07:14 |
| BenC | pre-up iwconfig eth0 rate 11M | 07:14 |
| BenC | wireless-rate 11M | 07:14 |
| Amaranth | either of you using a mini? perhaps it's a different revision | 07:14 |
| BenC | Amaranth: put that at the top of your /etc/network/interfaces eth stanza | 07:14 |
| Amaranth | err, i have no idea what that does | 07:15 |
| Amaranth | i don't even have an ubuntu install anymore, i wiped it to make an hfs+ case-sensitive fs :P | 07:15 |
| lamont | mdz: it's nice having it not wrap too horribly - maybe do the verison on the auto-uploads as an NMU, so that us humans can tell easily that it's a no-change | 07:15 |
| Amaranth | btw, setting it to 11M doesn't help | 07:15 |
| Amaranth | i mean, i had it set to 11M the one time it worked | 07:15 |
| lamont | mdz: but I know that soyuz really doesn't like binNMU's... | 07:16 |
| Amaranth | otherwise i don't notice a difference | 07:16 |
| Amaranth | anyway, lunch time | 07:16 |
| Kinnison | If you want it to turn up in daily-installer-* you have to ensure the string '.0.' is in the version | 07:16 |
| Kinnison | because that's what colin's code triggers on | 07:16 |
| lamont | well, we could do them as sourceful uploads of a binNMU version number... that's easy... :-) | 07:17 |
| Kinnison | Other than that, my preference is seriously for sourceful uploads | 07:17 |
| lamont | Kinnison: on other topics... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds current state causes me to ask a question or two... | 07:17 |
| lamont | like, what's the default ordering? | 07:17 |
| Kinnison | lamont: the gina imported builds will go away in the update tomorrow morning | 07:17 |
| Kinnison | the ordering is on datecreated by default | 07:18 |
| Kinnison | sorry, datebuilt | 07:18 |
| Kinnison | but gina made NULL datebuilds | 07:18 |
| lamont | ok | 07:18 |
| lamont | hehe | 07:18 |
| Kinnison | and NULL *always* sorts first | 07:18 |
| Kinnison | because SQL is good like that | 07:18 |
| lamont | woot | 07:18 |
| lamont | Kinnison: so what finally happened with that binNMU from warty? | 07:18 |
| Kinnison | lamont: it got imported | 07:18 |
| lamont | sorry | 07:19 |
| Kinnison | lamont: the db can represent binnmus | 07:19 |
| lamont | ok. but they're _WRONG_. understood | 07:19 |
| Kinnison | indeed | 07:19 |
| lamont | is there a way to limit the +builds output to a single architecture? | 07:19 |
| Kinnison | only within a distrorelease | 07:20 |
| Kinnison | Go to /distros/ubuntu/dapper/i386/+builds | 07:20 |
| Kinnison | that should work | 07:20 |
| lamont | and what does Needs-Build translate to? | 07:21 |
| Kinnison | translate to? | 07:21 |
| Kinnison | "pending build" I guess | 07:21 |
| lamont | ok | 07:21 |
| ogra | wow, fun ... i wonder how often i have to click "next" there to get to the latest build ... | 07:22 |
| Kinnison | ogra: a bajillion | 07:22 |
| ogra | heh | 07:22 |
| Kinnison | ogra: it'll actually be faster to wait until tomorrow's production rollout | 07:22 |
| ogra | lol | 07:22 |
| lamont | Kinnison: and could we have an option to have it sort most-recent first? | 07:22 |
| lamont | say, by default? | 07:22 |
| lamont | ogra: just edit the batch_start=NNN in the URL. | 07:23 |
| ogra | lamont, sure, thats what i'm doing ... | 07:23 |
| ogra | lamont, but having a previous/next item there is pretty pointless :) | 07:23 |
| lamont | Kinnison: and should you care, I just pushed over the last of the DAK buildLogs from hppa/sparc to p.u.c/~lamont | 07:24 |
| Kinnison | lamont: it *does* sort most-recent first | 07:24 |
| lamont | but NULL.. doh | 07:24 |
| Kinnison | indeed | 07:24 |
| Kinnison | tomorrow's rollout hides the NULLs | 07:24 |
| Kinnison | launchpad rollouts are quite complex so we can't do them without actually being careful | 07:24 |
| Kinnison | So we schedule them and put up with the UI being crufty for a few days every now and again | 07:25 |
| Kinnison | Sorry | 07:25 |
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| Kinnison | mjg59: would you mind advocating me for ubuntu-membership? | 07:35 |
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| mjg59 | Kinnison: Sure | 07:35 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: What do I need to do? | 07:36 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: I think you have to be prepared to tell the CC that I'm worth having as a member | 07:36 |
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| Kinnison | mjg59: Keybuk wants me to go through the full process for ubuntu-core-dev, so I need to become a member and a member of ubuntu-dev | 07:36 |
| ogra | Kinnison, the CC knows that :) | 07:36 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Ok | 07:37 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: will you be around tomorrow for the CC meeting, or do you want to tack something onto my wiki page? | 07:37 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: May not be about tomorrow, so if you could attach something that would be great | 07:37 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: you'd best edit my wiki page so that it shows the text as coming from you | 07:38 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: I think people are likely to believe you :) | 07:39 |
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| slomo_ | Kamion: ping? can you take a look at xine-extracodecs? the source package and the libxine-extracodecs package are in multiverse but the libxine1c2 package built from it is in universe for some reason. there are no rdepends (and rbuild-depends) in universe left... will it move to multiverse automatically later? | 07:43 |
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| pitti | slomo_: the plague stroke Kamion again, he's offline today | 07:43 |
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| slomo_ | pitti: oh... that's bad :/ well, my question isn't too urgent anyway... | 07:44 |
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| ogra | mdz, my call for serial mouse testing gave lame results yet (3 answers, one with usable data) :( | 07:53 |
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| stratus | ogra, i think the problem is with the test scenario | 08:01 |
| ogra | stratus, ?? | 08:01 |
| stratus | ogra, i've some serial mouse users from that cdd, but they just don't have how to test that (yet) | 08:01 |
| ogra | stratus, it just copy/paste of the command while the mouse is plugged in ... | 08:02 |
| ogra | s/it/it's/ | 08:02 |
| stratus | ogra, where's the hack? in mdetect? | 08:02 |
| ogra | there is no hack | 08:02 |
| ogra | i only want to see if we can use mdetect for serial mouse detection ... | 08:02 |
| ogra | but i suspect that the majority of mice doesnt give output at all | 08:03 |
| stratus | any mdetect could retrieve that data? | 08:03 |
| ogra | it does | 08:03 |
| ogra | but only for PNP capable serial mice | 08:03 |
| stratus | oh, great | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | elmo: I would like to make a request that ruby-gnuplot be removed from Universe. It has been packaged in Debian as libgnuplot-ruby | 08:03 |
| stratus | ogra, have you mailed -user ? | 08:03 |
| ogra | since i dont know the percentage of PNP cvapable ones, i wanted to have some feedback | 08:03 |
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| ogra | stratus, i wanted to keep that as a fallback | 08:04 |
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| ogra | will mail edubuntu-devel and ubuntu-users soon ... but i was hoping to get more out of -devel | 08:04 |
| stratus | ogra, i just read your message again, i think that isn't clear that i can contribute if i'm using my cool new mouse anyway. | 08:05 |
| stratus | ogra, see there are some -devel subscribed ppl that just looked your message and ignored that, thinking 'i don't care about serial mouses and i'm not running dapper' | 08:05 |
| ogra | indeed, mdetect would detect anything... but the pipe through grep should restrict to ttyS* | 08:05 |
| BenC | is there anyway to see the status of a source package in the lp buildd queue? | 08:05 |
| BenC | like if it even knows about it | 08:05 |
| stratus | ogra, it was my feel because you mailed -devel. I though that you just hacked mdetect. | 08:06 |
| stratus | ogra, i see. | 08:06 |
| ogra | nope, we're smarter :) | 08:06 |
| Kinnison | feckit, here goes blatting laptop with dapper | 08:06 |
| ogra | the inputattacht tool is already a huge step forward | 08:06 |
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| stratus | ogra, but not everybody subscribed to -devel is smart like you. :-) | 08:07 |
| sivang | Kinnison: it's been working fine on my gf's , she didn't even complain :) | 08:07 |
| stratus | ogra, sure it's | 08:07 |
| sivang | (inspiron 8200 , bad acpi by design) | 08:07 |
| Kinnison | heh | 08:07 |
| Kinnison | the most fun will be making mail work again | 08:08 |
| sivang | and using ONE channel for both HD and CDROM | 08:08 |
| Kinnison | so far so good | 08:09 |
| Treenaks | sivang: lots of laptops have that | 08:09 |
| Treenaks | sivang: even my HP NW8240 l33ttop | 08:10 |
| sivang | Treenaks: IBM's dont. </I think> | 08:10 |
| Treenaks | sivang: my old Asus had this setup as well, my new Acer doesn't I think | 08:10 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: Seen #30198 ? | 08:12 |
| pitti | bug 30198 | 08:14 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30198 in hal "HAL crashes from QueryCapability DBUS method." [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30198 | 08:14 |
| pitti | mjg59: not yet | 08:14 |
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| pitti | mjg59: ouch | 08:14 |
| pitti | mjg59: I basically ignored my bugs inbox during the sprint, will catch up this week | 08:15 |
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| stratus | ogra, wee, weird desktop crash smells like badram. | 08:16 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15 should show the status of the build, right? | 08:17 |
| BenC | HiddenWolf: I see the source is listed I just uploaded, just wondering if it's building or just queued | 08:18 |
| ogra | stratus, memetest is yur friend ;) | 08:18 |
| Kinnison | BenC: you can see what the buildds are doing on https://launchpad.net/+builds | 08:18 |
| Kinnison | BenC: we ought to make it clear if a build is currently in progress or not | 08:18 |
| Kinnison | BenC: but we don't currently | 08:18 |
| BenC | sweet, i386 and ia64 are building | 08:19 |
| Kinnison | BenC: the others have finished | 08:19 |
| Kinnison | BenC: they were building earlier | 08:19 |
| BenC | powerpc and amd64 done | 08:19 |
| stratus | ogra, memtest86+ is even more friendly, but i'll wait the ram start writing funny stuff to the hard disk. I need to keep this going for more three hours. | 08:19 |
| BenC | Kinnison: thanks | 08:19 |
| Kinnison | BenC: the other two builds succeeded | 08:19 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC: now that this upload it out, do you know if it will fix 29789, or is there something I can test/do to help fix it? | 08:21 |
| ogra | Kinnison, the number of total builds on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds just doubled .... | 08:21 |
| ogra | oh, no, it raised by *20 | 08:22 |
| Kinnison | pardon?! | 08:22 |
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| ogra | there were 6800 builds shown when i looked 1/2h ago | 08:23 |
| ogra | now i see 112648 builds | 08:23 |
| Kinnison | this is because your filter has changed | 08:23 |
| ogra | it was set to "all" both times ... | 08:23 |
| Kinnison | In that case the 6800 was spurious and wrong | 08:24 |
| ogra | hmm | 08:24 |
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| Kinnison | things will be much clearer tomorrow | 08:24 |
| Kinnison | Hmm, almost 50% of the way through the second install phase | 08:26 |
| slomo | BenC: hi, will you sync the bcm43xx driver and softmac for the next linux-source upload? | 08:31 |
| ogra | slomo, yes he will | 08:32 |
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| mdz | ogra: if people don't care enough to respond, then it must be an issue for a minority | 08:36 |
| ogra | mdz, i agree | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | ogra: about the mouse thing? | 08:36 |
| mdz | it goes to show that sometimes a lot of noise doesn't mean a big problem | 08:36 |
| ogra | Treenaks, yup | 08:36 |
| Seveas | Urgh, when creating a dapper pbuilder I get: vim: Depends: vim-runtime (= 1:6.4-006+2ubuntu1) but it is not installed | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | ogra: I was meaning to ask you something about that :) | 08:36 |
| ogra | Treenaks, shoot | 08:36 |
| Seveas | isis this a bug in my pbuilder setup, or is vim broken? | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | ogra: I have a really ancient mouse, and when I run the command you sent to the list, I get _both_ serial ports back | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | ogra: no matter which port I plug it into | 08:37 |
| Treenaks | (ttyS0 and ttyS1) | 08:37 |
| ogra | Treenaks, the serial ports dont matter ... i'm intrested in something like: | 08:37 |
| ogra | Read 5 chars from /dev/ttyS0: \012\020\000\024\001 (50%) | 08:37 |
| Treenaks | ogra: that only happens when I click/move | 08:37 |
| ogra | if you only get the ports back, it means your mouse isnt detectable | 08:38 |
| Treenaks | ok, so it's too ancient :) | 08:38 |
| ogra | yup | 08:38 |
| Treenaks | oh well :) | 08:38 |
| ogra | i suspect the maoprity is ... | 08:38 |
| ogra | *majority | 08:38 |
| ogra | but i wanted some proof for that theory | 08:38 |
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| Treenaks | I have a relatively recent Logitech mouse, at my parents' place | 08:39 |
| Treenaks | I could try that (I need to go & see them anyway :)) | 08:39 |
| ogra | most of the newer ones might work ... | 08:39 |
| Treenaks | ogra: still, you wanted a report ;) | 08:39 |
| ogra | yup, thanks :) | 08:40 |
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| ankan | hello | 08:46 |
| ankan | excuse me whats the diff between sevcpn and openvpn daemon? | 08:46 |
| Seveas | ankan, try #ubuntu for support - this is a development discussion channel | 08:48 |
| ankan | yeah no one there knows, thought someone in here might know | 08:50 |
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| ogra | mdz, any idea why ltsp-utils is still stuck in main ? rdepends wrongly reports ltsp-client even if that one has a conflicts/replaces ... | 09:11 |
| Kamion | Seveas: vim-runtime needs to be promoted to main, but I have no idea how to do that in the Soyuz world; hoping to get basic training on that soon | 09:11 |
| Seveas | Kamion, get an angry russion to ignite the rocket? :) | 09:12 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I also read about pitivi packages - which aren't in launchpad yet | 09:13 |
| mdz | ogra: rdepends shows all dependency relationships | 09:14 |
| Kamion | /home/james/launchpad/scripts/change-override.py looks pretty plausible but I'm not running a random script without getting instructions from somebody | 09:14 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: er I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and am too ill to care right now | 09:14 |
| ogra | mdz, oh ... | 09:14 |
| mdz | ogra: assuming you mean apt-cache rdepends | 09:14 |
| ogra | yup | 09:14 |
| mdz | ogra: if you want to know why it is in main, you need to look at germinate rdepends | 09:14 |
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| Treenaks | Kamion: hm.. get well then | 09:15 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: (Jane's last 'sprint' report mentioned a pitivi package, but I can't find that package on launchpad or in Ubuntu) | 09:15 |
| seb128 | Treenaks: new packages go to NEW and need to be accepted | 09:17 |
| seb128 | they are not available by apt before beeing accepted/built | 09:17 |
| Treenaks | seb128: ah.. so I only need to wait for Kamion to get well :) | 09:17 |
| seb128 | I don't know if Kamion does new universe stuff | 09:17 |
| seb128 | it waits for a ftpmaster to have time for that | 09:18 |
| Treenaks | seb128: still, it wouldn't hurt if he got well :) | 09:18 |
| ogra | meh | 09:18 |
| seb128 | and they are probably busy enough with the migration to soyuz | 09:18 |
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| Kamion | I also have no idea how to process NEW in soyuz *shrug* | 09:19 |
| Kamion | and as seb128 says I indeed don't generally do universe NEW anyway | 09:19 |
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| Kinnison | Hmm, okay, dapper working mostly | 09:59 |
| === ogra applauds Kinnison | ||
| Kinnison | And only about twelvety issues so far :-) | 09:59 |
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| ogra | heh | 10:00 |
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| pitti | elmo: please sync libmail-audit-perl 2.1-5sarge2 and pioneers | 10:01 |
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| pitti | mdz: Debian recently dropped the old libpng source and renamed libpng3 to libpng; I'd like to do the same for Ubuntu to avoid confusion, is that fine for you? (it would just look like a new upstream version of libpng, but it isn't actually) | 10:04 |
| seb128 | mdz, Kamion: any objection to update enchant from 1.2.0 to 1.2.2 (that's the lib used by abiword and libsexy (which is used by xchat-gnome) for spellchecking)? They don't have a proper changelog to point but xchat-gnome upstream has pointed some issues with the list of languages available fixed with the new version and they would like to get it updated | 10:05 |
| mdz | pitti: OK for me | 10:06 |
| mdz | pitti: (libpng) | 10:06 |
| pitti | 'k, then I'll merge and ask to drop the old libpng3 sources afterwards | 10:06 |
| mdz | seb128: your call, a lack of changelog is sketchy | 10:06 |
| elmo | pitti: there's a bug about that btw | 10:07 |
| pitti | elmo: right, bug 28709, I'll assign it to me for now | 10:08 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 28709 in libpng "please merge changes from libpng3 or request sync" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/28709 | 10:08 |
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| seb128 | mdz: yeah, I know, but since there is almost nothing using it, that's a minor version change and some upstream is asking for it. I'll make sure that the new version works fine with abiword/xchat-gnome and update if you have no objection so | 10:09 |
| zyga | hello | 10:09 |
| pitti | hi zyga, how are you? | 10:09 |
| zyga | pitti: hi, quite tired | 10:09 |
| zyga | I just came from work :/ | 10:09 |
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| zyga | I wish I was working for ubuntu ... | 10:10 |
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| mdz | seb128: and please ask upstream to start writing a changelog :-) | 10:16 |
| ogra | zyga, its a wrong assumption to think you are more awake working for ubuntu :) | 10:16 |
| seb128 | mdz: yeah, I'll do that too :) | 10:16 |
| zyga | ogra: I was not implying that | 10:16 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: I've a debug backtrace of that crash, I'll work on fixing it tomorrow | 10:17 |
| Kinnison | seb128: cool, thanks | 10:17 |
| zyga | ogra: I was implying that my work is so not FOSS related that I sometimes want to do something differetn but I know I cannot really | 10:17 |
| dolson | is this the right room to try and get help building a package? specifically, I am trying to build ardour. I tried rebuilding ardour on Dapper, and I tried building Dapper's ardour in Breezy, in an attempt to backport it, and I am running into issues | 10:17 |
| zyga | dolson: try #ubuntu-motu | 10:18 |
| slomo | elmo: ping? | 10:18 |
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| Kinnison | I managed to say logged into launchpad across an OS reinstall | 10:20 |
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| Mez | hmm - I can request syncs from debian as long as it's not a new upstream version -yes? or do they have to go through UVF? | 10:25 |
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| Mez | Kinnison, keeping the /home dir? | 10:26 |
| pitti | generally not, but checking the changelog for sane changes is a good idea | 10:26 |
| slomo | Mez: yes... just ask for syncs as long as it's no new upstream version | 10:26 |
| Kinnison | Mez: tarred it up, untarrings bits as I feel the lack of familiarity hurt | 10:26 |
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| Kinnison | the world was just a little too unfamiliar | 10:27 |
| Kinnison | otoh, dapper isn't *too* crashy | 10:27 |
| Kinnison | which is nice | 10:27 |
| Mez | pitti: theres not much difference - I just want to request a sync - as It's my package and I'm now maintaining it in debian. | 10:27 |
| pitti | Mez: should be fine then | 10:27 |
| Mez | so - I'd rather the stuff just be auto-synced in future instead of making me have to wade through MOM reports | 10:28 |
| pitti | yes, that's absolutely preferable | 10:28 |
| Mez | pitti: who am i asking now we're on soyuz - elmo still? | 10:28 |
| pitti | yes | 10:28 |
| Mez | elmo: please sync katapult from debian | 10:28 |
| Mez | ok to override ubuntu changes | 10:28 |
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| sivang | Kinnison: gnome-terminal crashes occasinally. haven't had enough time to try and track this down. | 10:31 |
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| sivang | Kinnison: hehe | 10:33 |
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| MisterN | hi | 10:42 |
| Mez | jdub: ping | 10:45 |
| zyga | someone has created a slovak spellcheck packages (for openoffice, myspell and ispell) and whishes them to be included in ubuntu, what does he need to do? | 10:48 |
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| sivang | f | 11:26 |
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| pitti | lamont: shouldn't any more, at least on arch != powerpc | 11:29 |
| lamont | ok | 11:30 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: I think I've found the bug in gnome-power-preferences | 11:32 |
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| zyga | hmm | 11:37 |
| zyga | my X.org is eating 100% doing nothing for the past few days | 11:37 |
| floam | probably update-notifier? | 11:38 |
| floam | it was eating up 100% cpu for me occasionally | 11:38 |
| zyga | yes | 11:38 |
| zyga | killed it and the issue went away | 11:38 |
| zyga | mvo: do you know about this? | 11:39 |
| MisterN | n8 | 11:40 |
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| mvo | floam: yes, it's unclear what causes it unfortunately | 11:42 |
| mvo | but it's a known bug | 11:42 |
| mvo | ^--- zyga | 11:42 |
| mvo | update-notifier going mad :/U | 11:42 |
| mvo | happened since I switched from libgamin to gnome-vfs | 11:43 |
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| floam | I figured out how to fix it | 11:43 |
| floam | rm /usr/bin/update-notifier | 11:43 |
| floam | :) | 11:43 |
| crimsun | interesting, I know it pegged my cpu when I lacked a valid Internet connection, thereby wiping out my packages cache | 11:43 |
| zyga | mvo: I'll attach gdb the next time | 11:44 |
| mvo | zyga: it will probably spin on a closed socket | 11:44 |
| zyga | mvo: spin? | 11:45 |
| zyga | it waits on unix socket? | 11:45 |
| mvo | zyga: trying to read from it, but getting a EAGAIN IIRC | 11:45 |
| zyga | mvo: did you try to just abort() in that case? | 11:46 |
| mvo | zyga: the loop code is not in my code, but somewhere else in gtk/gnome-vfs | 11:46 |
| zyga | mvo: ah, right :/ | 11:46 |
| mvo | zyga: I'll probably use inotify directly and see if that helps | 11:47 |
| zyga | mvo: what directory do you monitor? | 11:47 |
| mvo | zyga: /var/lib/apt/lists, /var/cache/apt/archives, this kind of stuff | 11:47 |
| zyga | mvo: notification of disk changes sucks :/ | 11:49 |
| mvo | zyga: yes, it would be nice if apt would just send dbus events | 11:50 |
| zyga | mvo: ay | 11:50 |
| floam | debian might consider a change like that | 11:51 |
| floam | in 2012 | 11:51 |
| zyga | floam: oh, good | 11:51 |
| floam | maybe 2016 | 11:51 |
| zyga | dbus will have the kitchen sink by then | 11:51 |
| hunger | floam: That might still be in time for etch;-) | 11:51 |
| floam | heh | 11:52 |
| floam | has anyone seen .debs for gnome's libcm? | 11:52 |
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