[12:43] <lambert> What should happen with wiki pages which appear old and outdated?
[12:43] <lambert> Such as pages that appear to be release specific
[12:43] <lambert> such as instructions for Warty?
[12:43] <lambert> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/3Ware9xxxAsRoot
[01:11] <LaserJock> lambert: are they not needed for Dapper?
[01:23] <lambert> Not 100% sure on link I provided as it talks about raid and I can't test
[01:24] <lambert> But if it is outdated,  should it be cleaned, removed from CategoryCleanup and is there an archive place
[01:24] <lambert> I noticed Category
[01:24] <lambert> Archive, what goes there?
[01:36] <LaserJock> lambert: I'm not sure. You might email the ubunt-doc list. It is an interesting issue.
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just noticed the keysigning instructions on launchpad are realy hard to follow. is there any help on that, or shall i write some?
[01:55] <hawking> how can i have a look at root mail at ubuntu? I mean when I set a program to mail root@localhost will I Get mails to /var/mail/user and the user is the one I've created at initial ubuntu setup
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> check /etc/alias
[01:59] <hawking> I don't have /etc/alias
[02:03] <hawking> Kamping_Kaiser any ideaS?
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/aliases
[02:08] <hawking> root : user
[02:08] <hawking> so that should work ok right?
[03:14] <jjesse> how do you rename a wiki page?  for example w.u.c/adepthowto should read AdeptHowTo for correct CamelCase
[03:26] <mhz> jjesse: you can easily rename a wiki page BUT iirc, we've been asked to keep old pagename and redirect it new page name
[03:26] <mhz> instead
[03:26] <mhz> this way, users already subscribed to old page can still be notified about 'redirect' and users who have alrady added the bookmark of old page, still get to newpage
[03:27] <mhz> jjesse: please tell me if i explained itclearly ;)
[03:27] <mhz> \later tell Kaiser_Sleeps there is a how to in the wiki
[03:28] <mhz> .oO(ohh, we dont' have such feature in our bot)
[08:45] <theCore> LaserJock, hi
[08:45] <theCore> I got a 7k diff file to send you
[08:46] <LaserJock> theCore: sweet
[08:48] <theCore> I'm not finished working on the intro section yet
[08:48] <theCore> i just maked the ``make'' intro and a little bit of ``autoconf''
[08:51] <LaserJock> fine
[09:47] <LaserJock> theCore: did you send your diff yet?
[09:47] <theCore> no, I'm still working on it
[09:48] <LaserJock> ok, np
[09:48] <theCore> I could send you what I have, if you want
[09:49] <LaserJock> that's ok, send it to me when your done if you want. I don't care. I won't have time to work on the packaging guide for a while yet
[10:16] <theCore> yay! my diff is now 9k
[10:17] <LaserJock> cool
[10:20] <theCore> I send it to you
[10:21] <LaserJock> ok
[10:27] <theCore> LaserJock, sent
[10:27] <LaserJock> theCore: great, thanks
[10:46] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, I got the diff. I will probably tweak it a little and add something for patch and diff and then commit it
[10:46] <theCore> LaserJock, np
[10:50] <theCore> LaserJock, ping me when you commit it
[10:55] <LaserJock> theCore: are you subscribed to ubuntu-doc-commits ? That is the easiest way to know if I've commited something
[10:56] <LaserJock> theCore: It might be tomorrow by the time I get to it. Work has just increased and I got a new iMac to set up etc.
[11:08] <theCore> ok, then I will monitor -commit 
[11:09] <LaserJock> theCore: I can ping you too but I didn't know if you knew about -commit
[11:11] <theCore> how the iMac is, compared to Ubuntu?
[11:12] <LaserJock> I haven't been able to set it up yet. I have to get a bunch of other work done first :(
[11:13] <LaserJock> but the box is sitting right next to me
[11:13] <LaserJock> :(
[11:14] <LaserJock> but it is one of the new Intel iMacs so I can't put Ubuntu on it.
[11:25] <theCore> does the CPU is a x86 ?
[11:27] <LaserJock> yep
[11:27] <LaserJock> I think anyway. It is a dual core
[11:28] <theCore> maybe, Ubuntu i386 will work on it
[11:28] <LaserJock> no
[11:28] <LaserJock> it doesn't have a BIOS
[11:29] <LaserJock> it has something called EFI instead and it is not compatible with Ubuntu yet
[11:29] <LaserJock> plus there isn't a graphics driver for the video card I don't think
[11:31] <theCore> the number of high-end users switching the Mac is quite impressive
[11:32] <theCore> Apple is really getting the low and the high end market
[11:38] <LaserJock> our lab has completly switched to Macs for desktop use
[11:39] <LaserJock> Apple has really gotten into the science/academic market. In my department I think Apple has the majority of desktop computers.
[11:40] <crimsun> due to their big server push?
[11:40] <LaserJock> laptops mostly
[11:40] <crimsun> interesting
[11:40] <LaserJock> it is the "in" thing for profs
[11:40] <LaserJock> I just got back from a conference and very few of the presenters didn't use a Mac laptop
[11:41] <crimsun> yeah, it's that way here, too
[11:41] <crimsun> I'm in the minority now, heh, with Ubuntu running on the X41-2527
[11:41] <LaserJock> one of the computational groups uses a lot of Mac servers but they are going more to clusters of AMD64s
[11:42] <crimsun> yeah, amd64s are a lot more cost-effective
[11:43] <LaserJock> but the reason my boss went to Apple was the *nix base. He can do most of the linux things he used to do but also have MS Office and Acrobat, etc.
[11:43] <LaserJock> and money isn't a problem because it all comes from grants anyway
[11:46] <theCore> However, the problem with Mac it is that they have many unknown holes which wait to be discovered.  There are rumours which indicate that MacOS X has many holes like Windows
[11:47] <LaserJock> theCore: but since many of the people are moving from Windows to Mac they are used to it ;-)
[11:47] <theCore> lol, yeah
[11:48] <theCore> personally, I wouldn't switch to a Mac, even if I find them sexy
[11:49] <LaserJock> well, I didn't have much choice in the matter
[11:50] <LaserJock> but I think I'll like it for work