| Mez | it looks like it's trying to call a prob from a var - but the var is unset | 12:03 |
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| Mez | yay | 12:03 |
| Mez | Riddell: lots of shlibdeps warnings... | 12:05 |
| === Mez checks if makeshlibs was calle | ||
| === hunger waits for the apidocs to build. | ||
| Mez | mez@lethargy:/scratch/cache/pbuilder/result$ ls *.deb | 12:06 |
| Mez | kdelibs_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb kdelibs4-dev_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb kdelibs-data_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb | 12:06 |
| Mez | kdelibs4c2_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb kdelibs4-doc_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb | 12:06 |
| Mez | kdelibs4c2-dbg_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb kdelibs-bin_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb | 12:06 |
| hunger | Mez: Lucky bastard;-) | 12:06 |
| Mez | hunger indeed :D | 12:06 |
| Mez | oh, and look :D | 12:07 |
| Mez | kdelibs4c2 | 12:07 |
| Mez | :D | 12:07 |
| Mez | it worked | 12:07 |
| Riddell | rocking! | 12:07 |
| Mez | Riddell: kdelibs - backportable :D | 12:07 |
| Riddell | woo! | 12:08 |
| hunger | * Found tag kio/kfile/kfile.tag | 12:09 |
| Mez | sorry | 12:10 |
| hunger | /tmp/kdelibs-3.5.1/admin/doxygen.sh: line 498: 11144 Segmentation fault doxygen "$subdir/Doxyfile" | 12:10 |
| Mez | Riddell: part way there - I haventdone a full check yet | 12:10 |
| hunger | My hdd is too slow:-( | 12:16 |
| hunger | Mez: I get that --attr=language... command not found, too. | 12:17 |
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| Hobbsee | is there any chance we can use network-admin in kde? | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | building koffice for breezy in the background | 12:20 |
| Mez | ...? | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | or...something...? Sorry, going slightly nuts with my wireless card here... | 12:21 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: what's network-admin? | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | thought it was the gnome network client | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | er, network-manager | 12:22 |
| Mez | n-m works in kubuntu | 12:22 |
| Mez | lol | 12:22 |
| Mez | I havent tried the KDE version though | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 12:22 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you can but you need to compile cvs libnl, networkmanager and knetworkmanager | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | i didnt try it, didnt want to suddenly get all of gnome on my systeem | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | right | 12:23 |
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| Mez | is there a kcharmap or soemthing? | 12:24 |
| hunger | Riddell: Fix seems to work. | 12:25 |
| hunger | Riddell: Shall I mail it to you? | 12:25 |
| Mez | kde relies on python ? | 12:28 |
| sebas | If you use scons to build it, yes. | 12:29 |
| sebas | And we're working on some kcontrol modules in python. | 12:29 |
| Mez | sebas: the default insall does | 12:29 |
| sebas | superkaramba aswell | 12:29 |
| sebas | Then it's probably SK | 12:29 |
| Mez | ah superkaramba in kde3.5.1 | 12:30 |
| Riddell | hunger: please do | 12:30 |
| Riddell | hunger: what does it do? | 12:30 |
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| Mez | Riddell: kdelibs - Install ok | 12:32 |
| Riddell | Mez: excellent :) | 12:32 |
| Mez | now to kdebase | 12:32 |
| hunger | Riddell: Patch for the gnome problem is on its way to you. | 12:33 |
| Riddell | hunger: but what does it do? | 12:34 |
| hunger | Riddell: It does not change the API. I just copied some code from the menueditor or something into kdelibs/kinit to make it ignore desktop files without kde in "ShowOnlyIn" or "kde" in "NotShowIn" | 12:34 |
| hunger | Riddell: s/kde/KDE/. | 12:34 |
| hunger | Riddell: That way gnome-volume-manager.desktop and gnome-power-manager.desktop get ignored (which get installed with the current ubuntu-desktop) | 12:35 |
| Riddell | hunger: earlier you said you thought it already did that? | 12:36 |
| hunger | Riddell: Without my patch gnome windows keep popping up whenever a new HD is discovered. | 12:36 |
| Riddell | a new hard disk? | 12:36 |
| hunger | Riddell: I said that it does *not* do that at all. | 12:36 |
| hunger | Riddell: USB or something hotpluggable. | 12:36 |
| Riddell | what causes that? | 12:37 |
| Riddell | oh, gnome-volume-manager? | 12:37 |
| Riddell | ah yes, I have that running too | 12:37 |
| hunger | Riddell: g-volume-manager starts nautilus. | 12:37 |
| Riddell | yeah | 12:37 |
| Riddell | hunger: excellent work :) | 12:37 |
| hunger | Riddell: It was easy enough once you pointed me into the right direction:-) | 12:38 |
| hunger | Anyway: Good night. | 12:38 |
| Riddell | night hunger, thanks for the help | 12:38 |
| === hunger hopes to find fixed debs in the repository when he wakes up. | ||
| hunger | Riddell: I help whenever I find the time to do so. Damn job;-) | 12:39 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: how's the compiling? | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: of koffice? *sigh* | 12:49 |
| Riddell | why the sigh? | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | lemme pastebin... | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8138 | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | yet gnupg's already installed | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | i suppose ~/.gnupg isnt there though | 12:51 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: that's it done | 12:51 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: don't worry about signing, you aren't uploading to revu or ubuntu archive | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh, so it is :) | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | i read "error" and shuddered, not really looking at it | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | upload to the same place? | 12:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes please :) | 12:55 |
| Riddell | last packages worked well | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | uploading.... | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | wow, these files are nowhere near as big as last lot... | 12:58 |
| Riddell | yes, koffie-doc seems to have a random number generator on its size | 12:58 |
| Mez | lol | 12:59 |
| Riddell | there's something in dapper that makes it extra big | 12:59 |
| Mez | Riddell: the B-Ds for kdebase pose no problem it seems | 12:59 |
| Mez | so... well shouldnt be too bad | 12:59 |
| Riddell | Mez: excellent excellent | 12:59 |
| Mez | if it hits a FTBFS now - then it's a major bug | 01:00 |
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| Mez | Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/542511 | 01:18 |
| Riddell | Mez: do you have libkdecore.so.4? | 01:19 |
| Mez | lemme login | 01:21 |
| Mez | where should it be? | 01:21 |
| Mez | /usr/lib/ ? | 01:23 |
| Mez | /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 | 01:24 |
| Mez | ? | 01:24 |
| Riddell | yes /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 | 01:25 |
| Mez | taking a while to login | 01:25 |
| Mez | big tar.gz | 01:25 |
| Mez | Riddell: no | 01:29 |
| Mez | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/542523 | 01:29 |
| Mez | I'm gonna have to recompile kdelibs again arent I | 01:30 |
| Riddell | Mez: should be in kdelibs4c2 | 01:31 |
| Mez | root@lethargy:/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg -L kdelibs4c2 | 01:31 |
| Mez | /usr/share | 01:31 |
| Mez | /usr/share/doc | 01:31 |
| Mez | /usr/share/doc/kdelibs4c2 | 01:31 |
| Mez | /usr/share/doc/kdelibs4c2/copyright | 01:31 |
| Mez | /usr/share/doc/kdelibs4c2/changelog.Debian.gz | 01:31 |
| Mez | hmm | 01:31 |
| Mez | here;s a thought | 01:31 |
| Mez | the script fu | 01:31 |
| Riddell | that's not good | 01:32 |
| Mez | does it still install to kdelibs4c2a dir ? | 01:32 |
| Mez | therefore making the kdelibs4c2 package empty | 01:32 |
| Mez | ah | 01:33 |
| Mez | kdelibs4c2a.install | 01:33 |
| Riddell | there should also be a kdelibs4c2.install file | 01:33 |
| Riddell | and debian/control should use kdelibs4c2 not kdelibs4c2a | 01:33 |
| Mez | nope | 01:33 |
| Mez | debian/control does | 01:34 |
| Mez | or it wouldnt have done that would it? | 01:34 |
| Mez | theres no kdelibs4c2.install though | 01:34 |
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| === Mez apt-get source's again | ||
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| Mez | Riddell, nope - definately no kdelibs4c2 package | 01:37 |
| Mez | .install * | 01:37 |
| Mez | Riddell, maybe the control file could fix that? | 01:40 |
| Mez | rules * | 01:40 |
| Mez | mv ; | 01:40 |
| Riddell | Mez: damn | 01:42 |
| Riddell | I'm sure I left that in | 01:42 |
| Riddell | just a case of cp kdelibs4c2a.install kdelibs4c2.install | 01:43 |
| Riddell | Mez: I'll upload a fixed one | 01:45 |
| jjesse | Riddell: did you ever reply to my email? | 01:47 |
| Riddell | jjesse: ug no, poke me tomorrow if I haven't done it by then | 01:48 |
| jjesse | Riddell: ok, trying to get things done, first draft is due friday :) | 01:48 |
| Riddell | crivvens | 01:48 |
| Mez | Riddell :D cool - you can set a precedent by uploading for a backports-only change | 01:50 |
| Mez | and then I can say - yeah see - Riddell did it - why dont you too | 01:50 |
| Riddell | Mez: really? I've seen that done before | 01:52 |
| Riddell | this is my first soyuz upload, wonder if it'll work | 01:53 |
| Mez | you've seen an upload before only to fix somethign for backporting? | 01:53 |
| Riddell | yeah, siretat I think changed build-deps on some kde thing | 01:55 |
| Riddell | Accepted kdelibs 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu3 groovy | 01:56 |
| Mez | ah lol | 01:57 |
| Mez | I didnt see that | 01:57 |
| === Mez hasnt done soyuz upload yet | ||
| === Mez does an upload | ||
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| === Riddell beds | ||
| jjesse | night Riddell | 02:13 |
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| raphink | Riddell: my message to kubuntu-bugs@l.u.c was rejected | 02:37 |
| raphink | Riddell: do you think I have to mail to all members `manually' ? | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: i'd try pinging them on irc | 02:38 |
| Riddell | raphink: why kubuntu-bugs? | 02:38 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: well if they all were there | 02:38 |
| Riddell | raphink: e-mail kubuntu-devekl | 02:38 |
| raphink | Riddell: are we subscribed to it? | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | a lot of them seem to be... | 02:39 |
| raphink | I see only kubuntu-bugs on the LP team | 02:39 |
| Riddell | raphink: kubuntu-devel the mailing list? | 02:42 |
| Riddell | I'm subscribed to it | 02:43 |
| Riddell | about 100 other people are | 02:43 |
| raphink | yes I saw that | 02:43 |
| raphink | just subscribed | 02:43 |
| raphink | I'm gonna send to it | 02:43 |
| raphink | there | 02:46 |
| raphink | sent :) | 02:46 |
| === Riddell really beds | ||
| Riddell | raphink: put in /topic too | 02:46 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:raphink] : Flight 3 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Thu, Feb 16th 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- be there! | ||
| raphink | :) | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | hehe - dont bother Riddell | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | sleep's overrated :P | 02:47 |
| jsgotangco | ohh meeting | 02:47 |
| raphink | :) | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | that would be around 4am in my place but hey :) | 02:49 |
| raphink | jsgotangco: most meetings are either around 12UTC or 20UTC | 02:49 |
| jjesse | what meeting this time? | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | 12UTC isn't a problem | 02:49 |
| raphink | jjesse: how do you mean? | 02:49 |
| raphink | jsgotangco: it is on this day, since there's already a meeting ;) | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | 12UTC's fine here too, if you wanted to change it to there | 02:50 |
| jjesse | is that the community council meeting you are talking about? | 02:50 |
| raphink | jjesse: no, Kubuntu meeting :) | 02:50 |
| jjesse | oh, when is that? | 02:50 |
| raphink | jjesse: /topic | 02:50 |
| raphink | jjesse: is that fine for you? | 02:51 |
| jjesse | should be | 02:51 |
| raphink | ok | 02:51 |
| raphink | :) | 02:51 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:raphink] : Flight 3 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Thu, Feb 16th 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- be there! | ||
| jsgotangco | cool | 02:53 |
| raphink | :) | 02:53 |
| jjesse | hmmm i might be a bit late to the meeting, 5pm is when i head home from work so i'll join and eat dinner while i pay attention | 02:54 |
| raphink | ok | 02:54 |
| freeflying | jjesse: which is ur timezone | 02:55 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: thanks for the world clock | 02:55 |
| jjesse | eastern (-5 UTC) | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: no problems - was wondering if anyone would like it :D | 02:55 |
| raphink | freeflying: that will be very early for you I'm afraid | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | saves calculating it by hand | 02:55 |
| raphink | or very late | 02:55 |
| freeflying | raphink: it's will be 4:00 AM | 02:55 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: well for me it's just +1 | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:55 |
| raphink | freeflying: that's what I call very early | 02:55 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: and I'm thankfully I can still add +1 in my head | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 02:56 |
| freeflying | raphink: sadly , I'll be on train that day | 02:56 |
| raphink | although it's too late to have me speak english properly it seems | 02:56 |
| raphink | freeflying: :( | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | oh ok, mine's +11 for the moment | 02:56 |
| raphink | +11 is harder for sure | 02:57 |
| raphink | you have to retain 24 most of the time | 02:57 |
| freeflying | I'll attend the meeting of AsiaBusinessTour/Shanghai ,so shall I do something for kubuntu? | 02:59 |
| raphink | bring CDs, stickers, yourself, ... | 02:59 |
| raphink | talk about it :) | 02:59 |
| raphink | say only true things about it | 02:59 |
| raphink | but nice ones :) | 02:59 |
| Riddell | freeflying: cool | 03:00 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:00 |
| Riddell | freeflying: take some kubuntu CDs to give to Mark | 03:00 |
| freeflying | I've CD | 03:00 |
| freeflying | Riddell: ok | 03:00 |
| raphink | :) | 03:00 |
| jjesse | how many times are you going to go to bed Riddell? | 03:00 |
| Riddell | and to give to everyone else | 03:00 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I'm about to make my third attempt | 03:00 |
| === raphink gave out some 10 CDs at Solutions Linux in Paris last week | ||
| Riddell | raphink: nice | 03:00 |
| raphink | only to people who had specific kubuntu questions :) | 03:01 |
| === freeflying I've given out about 400 CDs now | ||
| raphink | we had 3 whole boxes of Ubuntu CDs and were left with almost none | 03:01 |
| raphink | 400 Kubuntu CDs ?? | 03:01 |
| freeflying | raphink: y | 03:01 |
| raphink | oh nice | 03:01 |
| raphink | I didn't have that much to give out ;) | 03:01 |
| Riddell | raphink: you should have said you were going to a show, I'd have sent you a box | 03:02 |
| raphink | sure Riddell, but I didn't know actually ;) | 03:02 |
| raphink | next time I'll tell you | 03:02 |
| raphink | :) | 03:02 |
| raphink | at least I had a few ones | 03:02 |
| raphink | and tonio and I were there | 03:02 |
| freeflying | Riddell: shall prepare something else fot the coming meeting | 03:02 |
| raphink | to represent Kubuntu | 03:02 |
| raphink | Ubuntu was not officially there actually | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell, do you still have CDs? | 03:02 |
| raphink | only the ubuntu-fr associatoin | 03:03 |
| raphink | with mostly simple ubuntu users | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | freeflying, mark | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | freeflying, mark's a jolly guy | 03:03 |
| Riddell | raphink: how was the KDE stand? | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 03:03 |
| raphink | so it was good that tonio and I were there from time to time | 03:03 |
| raphink | Riddell: quite nice | 03:03 |
| Riddell | jsgotangco: yes, some, going fast though | 03:03 |
| raphink | Riddell: running mostly kubuntu, gentoo and slack | 03:03 |
| freeflying | jsgotangco: really ? it's nice | 03:03 |
| Riddell | freeflying: sure, send me a report of what's good/bad/happening if you want me to pass it onto the meeting | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | freeflying, i think he's in seoul right now, i had lunch with him last week | 03:03 |
| raphink | Riddell: seems most KDE devs are not very happy with kubuntu from what we heard :s | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell, can you send some over (a hundred would do if possible) | 03:04 |
| raphink | for some reasons | 03:04 |
| Riddell | raphink: oh? what did they say? | 03:04 |
| raphink | Riddell: that we changed things in KDE that ought not to be changed | 03:04 |
| Riddell | jsgotangco: you need a reason first | 03:04 |
| raphink | default settings | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell, sure i'll send an email | 03:04 |
| freeflying | Riddell: sorry, you mean which meeting | 03:04 |
| Riddell | any sane reason will do | 03:05 |
| raphink | Riddell: but the guy we talked with mostly was a slack guy | 03:05 |
| raphink | Riddell: so well doesn't count much ;) | 03:05 |
| Riddell | freeflying: kubuntu meeting, see /topic | 03:05 |
| === Hobbsee advises Riddell not to bother with sleep | ||
| Hobbsee | chat instead :P | 03:05 |
| raphink | haha | 03:05 |
| freeflying | Riddell: AsiaBusinessTour/Shanghai will be held at 2/15 ,but kubuntu-meeting is at 2/16 | 03:06 |
| raphink | oooh I'm just seeing that my subject in the email I sent is not that good | 03:06 |
| raphink | I should have slept before sending it | 03:06 |
| raphink | lol | 03:06 |
| Riddell | freeflying: tell Mark etc about the issues you have with CJK and what's happening to fix them I guess | 03:07 |
| raphink | freeflying: couldn't you find a machine somewhere there? | 03:07 |
| Riddell | right, bed. really | 03:07 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:08 |
| raphink | same here | 03:08 |
| raphink | bed bed bed | 03:08 |
| raphink | gn8 all | 03:08 |
| freeflying | raphink: I'll bring a ibook with me there | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: rubbish :P | 03:08 |
| raphink|sleepfre | grr | 03:08 |
| raphink|sleep | nah | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | freeflying, mark has great interest in having seamless cjk support you guys can really help on that | 03:09 |
| freeflying | jsgotangco: y | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | because at the moment, there's big interest but little testing going on (lack of supporters) | 03:14 |
| freeflying | jsgotangco: u've took part in last week's meeting | 03:18 |
| freeflying | Riddell: do you have the theme of wiki.kubuntu.org | 03:37 |
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| jsgotangco | freeflying, yeah, it was fun | 04:15 |
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| tulga | hi all. I cannot install GIF library in dapper 2. howto install it? | 04:18 |
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| Hobbsee | i wonder if this should go into kde bugs, or kubuntu bugs in malone... | 05:47 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: what happened with this package | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | it crashes as soon as you hit configure on wlan0 | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8147 | 05:49 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: I have not wireless card on my desktop | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | i'd imagine most people dont | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | but getting the latest upgrades, after i pin ndiswrapper | 05:50 |
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| Limulus | Riddell, I just wanted to logon briefly to thank you for uploading the i386 kdeedu packages! :-) | 05:55 |
| Limulus | They're installing as I type ^_^ | 05:56 |
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| tulga | hi all! I cannot upgrade kde 3 to 4. lt-genshortcutents: cannot connect to X server. howto fix it? | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | tulga: you try to upgrade to KDE4 ? | 06:48 |
| tulga | Tm_T: yep. lib compiled, now installing lib | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | well, quite useless unless you're devel | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | and I didn't manage to compile it | 06:49 |
| tulga | I following this guide http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE3To4 | 06:49 |
| Tm_T | and oh, there is no point at all to replace KDE 3.x with KDE5 | 06:49 |
| Tm_T | KDE4 I mean | 06:49 |
| Tm_T | http://edu.kde.org/development/port2kde4.php <- damn good howto | 06:50 |
| Tm_T | tulga: what you will do with KDE4 stuff? | 06:50 |
| tulga | interesting | 06:51 |
| tulga | Tm_T: "cannot connect to X server" mean kde-devel user haven't X access? | 06:54 |
| Tm_T | hum | 06:54 |
| Tm_T | might be | 06:54 |
| tulga | where I configure account's X access? | 06:54 |
| Tm_T | no idea | 06:55 |
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| Tm_T | Hobbsee: ping | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: pong | 07:56 |
| Tm_T | no source package to Kopete? | 07:56 |
| Tm_T | we will need it soon | 07:57 |
| Tm_T | separate Kopete release incoming! :) | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | fun | 07:57 |
| Tm_T | ok, have to find another wayto do test package | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure if you'd have to stick it inside kdepim, or whatever it falls under | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | especially since it's after UVF | 07:58 |
| Tm_T | it's part of kdenetwork | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | ah, that's right | 07:59 |
| Tm_T | so, I did apt-get source kopete -> got kdenetwork | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 08:00 |
| Tm_T | ok, I have sources of new kopete alpha, tell me easy way to wrap up a package =) | 08:02 |
| Tm_T | taking sourcee package, merging new sources and then package it, can't do in this case as I just explained ;( | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | dont look at me! | 08:03 |
| Tm_T | uh oh | 08:03 |
| Tm_T | I don't, youjust happen to be in front of me ;) | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:05 |
| Tm_T | uff, maybe I do this a hard way ;( | 08:05 |
| Hobbsee | you'll have to ask Riddell or someone, when they wake up | 08:06 |
| Tm_T | nah, I read debians guide through | 08:06 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: kopete is seperated from knetwork ? | 08:12 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: nope, just this 0.12 release is separate | 08:14 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: so much new stuff and we couldn't wait KDE4 ;) | 08:14 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: when will this be released | 08:14 |
| freeflying | it's seems hard for a UVF | 08:15 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: well, I'm holding first alpha sources in my hand, so possibly soon | 08:15 |
| Tm_T | kopete is frozen | 08:15 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: where can I get the changelog | 08:15 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: you probably can't yet, unless mattr did something in last 6 hours | 08:16 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: I'll investigate, wait :) | 08:16 |
| Hobbsee | hey, why does the version of ndiswrapper-utils in the repos seem to overwrite my supposedly newer version that i've just compiled? i thought that the one that i compiled would overwrite anything else | 08:17 |
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| Hobbsee | hmpf | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: but in general, new chat style engine (xhtml+css instead of xlst) jabber voice + other jabber goodies, whole bunch of fixes here and there... | 08:23 |
| Tm_T | including my 8 (?) commits ;) | 08:29 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: waiting for your package | 08:29 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: :) | 08:29 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: oh, just I know how to do it ;) | 08:30 |
| Tm_T | +if | 08:30 |
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| freeflying | Tm_T: or you may package it for ourselves use only , :) | 08:31 |
| Tm_T | that's what it will be now | 08:32 |
| Tm_T | actually I don't even have permission to do package others but myself | 08:33 |
| Tm_T | yet | 08:33 |
| Tm_T | but looks like these sources are fine so waitin permission | 08:33 |
| Tm_T | hmh, looks like creating package is timeconsuming | 08:36 |
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| Hobbsee | bye all | 09:15 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: ok, slowly understanding how this works, but dependencies are small issue now | 09:32 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: you know who is Kopete debian maintainer ? | 09:37 |
| poningru | Tm_T: I thought kde apps were group maintained | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | prolly is | 10:00 |
| poningru | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kopete.html | 10:00 |
| poningru | at the bottom | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | ah, thanks | 10:02 |
| Tm_T | hum, I thought I did all ok, but no, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot doesn't give any deb packages | 10:03 |
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| hunger | Did my patch make it into the latest kdelibs? | 10:44 |
| jpatrick | hmm... Kubuntu meeting... | 10:46 |
| hunger | Where? | 10:46 |
| jpatrick | topic | 10:46 |
| hunger | That channel is dead silent right now. | 10:46 |
| jpatrick | hunger: It usual is unless there's a meeting... | 10:47 |
| hunger | jpatrick: Oh, I assumed you were trying to point me to some ongoing meeting:-) | 10:47 |
| jpatrick | oh right | 10:48 |
| jpatrick | :) | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | yep we discussed that yesterday, and riddel agreed on the fact that planning kubuntu mettings from time to time can be a good thing.... | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | true | 10:52 |
| jpatrick | Hello Tm_T | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | hullo | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | I do something wrong, I thought I did all ok http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide <- following this | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | actually riddell is developper, packager, revuer, manages the full kde desktop, and probably the onlykde guru engaged by canonical on the ubuntu project.... | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | but no, I don't get any deb packages ;( | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | there's also amu | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | so organizing the work to help him concentrating on the essential part of his work could be a good thing :) | 10:53 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: what are you trying to package? | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: Kopete 0.12 alpha | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | jsgotangco: amu is working for canonical ? okay didn't knew ;) | 10:54 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: tried using the debian/ dir from the repos? | 10:54 |
| jpatrick | oh no wait | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: no source package for kopete only | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | dunno why | 10:54 |
| jpatrick | :/ | 10:55 |
| Tm_T | that wouldd be too easy to me =) | 10:55 |
| jpatrick | should come from kde-network | 10:55 |
| jpatrick | or something like that | 10:55 |
| Tm_T | yes, but separate kopete release | 10:55 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: is there somewhere you can put your package? | 10:56 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: kopete sources you mean? | 10:56 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: I just hope I can get to the meetings | 10:56 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: your .diff.gz, etc | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: not sure to be here ? damn..... lots of work ? | 10:57 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: ah, remember, this is "top secret", no permission to be public in any state from mattr yet ;) | 10:57 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: in a second :p | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | I had the same problem, it took me month to become member because of that | 10:57 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: school, etc | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: k | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: got an url for kopete's changelog ? | 10:59 |
| jpatrick | will probably make it to the coming one tho :) | 10:59 |
| hunger | Riddell did not add my no-gnome-startup patch to kdelibs yet:-( | 11:00 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: nope, can't find any changelogs | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, my ubuntu cards just arrived ;) there nice, although | 11:00 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: have to ask as soon as mattr is back online | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: okay.... I can't wait for msn sound support.... | 11:01 |
| Tm_T | hehe | 11:01 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: Jabber voice support is, no msn equiv | 11:01 |
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| Tonio_ | Tm_T: so many people refusing to even have a look at linux because of that bull...t msn | 11:01 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: true | 11:01 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: I always prefered Jabber | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: the problemis that, dunno for the rest of the world, but here in france, people don't say IM, but "msn".... | 11:02 |
| jpatrick | same here... | 11:02 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: unfortunately there's no Kopete devel who has time and skills to do msn plugin rockin | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | I do prefer habber also, and now wengophone is on the way to, but well..... | 11:02 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: rewiting msn plugin is started, so maybe we have light in Kopete 1.0 | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | it is not because something is better that people will use it.... otherwise, everything should be firewire based ;) | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I can understand the main purpose of kopete's dev isn't to be full msn compatible, of course | 11:03 |
| Tm_T | aye, and people doesn't understand that they can use two protocols at the same time, "my friends use msn so I have to use it too, nothing else" ... | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | I hope google and a few companies will get jabber recognition for the lambda users | 11:04 |
| Tm_T | heh | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | anywa, there is no reason using 2 protocols for msn... do we use 2 proto for standard mail ? nope.... | 11:05 |
| Tm_T | =) | 11:05 |
| Tm_T | I meant, you can use msn AND jabber, not just one | 11:05 |
| jpatrick | POP3 and IMAP | 11:05 |
| Tm_T | people doesn't seem to understand it | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: nope, THE protocol for communication is just smtp | 11:05 |
| jpatrick | oh, yeah :) | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | pop is just a way to download mails, but not a communication standard for the mail world | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | you can replace pop by imap or webmail, or ftp if you like to read mail files ;) but smtp is the base | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | that shouldn't have become different for instant messenging, but protocols and formats have become a world war those 3 years | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | that's a pain, really | 11:07 |
| Tm_T | aye | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | imagin a world where you make a kind of fusion between mail and IM | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | im becoming an extention of standard mail, using a universal protocol, like jabber | 11:08 |
| Tm_T | oh well, I think jabber will rule the world soon, first video chat testings are coming | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | how easy it would be for the people..... everyone communicating with everyone.... | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | I can't imagin have to have a yahoo.com email address to send mails to yahoo users.... | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | iirc jingle has basis for video conference, all we need is codecs and ui | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: =) | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: codecs are already here.... h263, h264 | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | even xvid.... I don't understand why standard video encoding codecs cannot be used for videoconferencing | 11:10 |
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| Tonio_ | is there a technical reason I missed ? | 11:10 |
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| hunger | Tonio_: encoding takes too long. | 11:10 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: oh, sure, only that they're not yet used by Kopete ;) | 11:10 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: as I said,all we need is codec(s) and ui | 11:11 |
| Tm_T | dunno if there's something fundamental too | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | hunger, well with a 320x240 image and the power of actuall computers, with a 10 fps, that should be using that much resources, no ? | 11:11 |
| Tm_T | but iirc jingle is just frame to data stream | 11:11 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Streaming does not work well when it takes 3times as long to encode a image than it takes to display it. | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: right, as I was saying, there was certainly a reason, here is the answer ;) | 11:12 |
| hunger | Tonio_: A computer can do it (I think), but you can only earn money with videoconferencing if the HW needed is cheap enough. | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: correct | 11:13 |
| freeflying | anyone know remaster livecd | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | wengophone look actually as the best coming solution for multiplatform videoconferencing I think.... although the SVN is an horrible mess... | 11:13 |
| jpatrick | freeflying: LiveCDCustomization? | 11:13 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: y | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | I tried to package it, but I forgave.... | 11:14 |
| hunger | Tonio_: A cell phone won't get a pentium-whatever class CPU soon;-) | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: hehe, that's true indeed, I didn't thought about those aspects.... shame on me | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | but if you have big resources, look at what apple does with ichat | 11:15 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Ran a benchmark on a 200MHz ARM chip once: It was 90times slower then a 90MHz PentiumI chip! | 11:15 |
| freeflying | jpatrick: Mithrandir: after remaster kubuntu's dapper livecd , kdm need be restarted manually, and then it can log into kdm | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | the quality, although it uses much more resources, is totaly incredible | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | hunger that much ????????? wow..... I though a 200 mhz arm could be compared to a pentium 100 at least.... | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | I may realease a personnal version of kubuntu-default-settings in about an hour to submit to Riddell .... anyone interested testing it ? | 11:18 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: what are the changes? | 11:19 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: fixing dpi to 100 and setting wmaller fonts, kopete and konversation settings, integration of ksvg part the same we did for the others, adding a few more usefull .desktop files, providing a cool knotes color sheme (default is a really ungly), providing a standard and working profile for knemo (for eventually having it installed by default, plus many more little things | 11:21 |
| jpatrick | wow | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | replacing that crappy ungly hand in gwenview.... | 11:21 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Why fix the dpi?! | 11:22 |
| jpatrick | hello raphink | 11:22 |
| raphink | hi jpatrick | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: on many computers, especially laptops, that causes problems | 11:22 |
| raphink | jpatrick: applying for member in an hour and a half? | 11:22 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Why? | 11:22 |
| jpatrick | raphink: yes | 11:22 |
| raphink | :) | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | with the same setting than me, my girlfriend gets ridiculous small fonts, while I get big ones | 11:22 |
| hunger | Tonio_: My laptop got ~130dpi. Fonts are unreadable with 100dpi. | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | on my laptop, for example, font size is changing sometimes on reboot,.... | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | hunger, set to 100 with a good size might/should/could be okay | 11:23 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Of course Riddells kdm themes need some tweeking occasionally:-) | 11:23 |
| freeflying | anyone help me | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: well, test my package and we'll see if that causes issues... | 11:23 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Then the font sizes are all wrong:-) | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: I didn't manage to change that actually, but yes, that could be interesting adding a new kdmtheme and eventually a new background image | 11:24 |
| hunger | Tonio_: They are given in a real world units... they get all screewed up with a wrong dpi setting! | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: maye wrong, but same everywhere..... I can't imagin that linux is actually the only OS that needs the knowledge of the screen specs to configure fonts....... | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | osx or windows don't have that problem | 11:25 |
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| Tonio_ | hunger: I searched the net, and generally, for every fonts problem, the answer is "set dpi to 100"... | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | that seems to resolv 90% of the problems | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | but as I'm unsure, that's the reason I'm searching for testers ;) | 11:26 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Yeap. They have less of that pixel-based measurement crap that still sticks around in X:-( | 11:26 |
| hunger | If only X wasn't so 70s... | 11:26 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Well, fixing the dpi fixes the symptom. | 11:27 |
| hunger | Tonio_: The cause is mixing a real world unit of measurement with on screen units. | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: exactly, but doing it by default may causes a few issues, that's why it needs testing... | 11:28 |
| hunger | Tonio_: ? | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: yes ? | 11:29 |
| hunger | Tonio_: You are changing the real world unit to match up with what most developers assume it to be in on-screen units. | 11:29 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Changing the real world to match the limited one in a computer is never a good idea:-) | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: when 30% of the computers I tested have problems with fonts.... | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | I think mandriva for example is forcing dpi by default.... maybe I'm wrong, but I've heard about something like that | 11:30 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Not with fonts! With everything else;-) | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | hunger I perfectly follow you on that point.... when it works well with the standards... | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | but browse the web with "linux problem fonts" | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | and anyway xorg has some bugs on that.... | 11:31 |
| hunger | Tonio_: but breaking the one thing that works properly to match the broken state of the rest of the system is wrong. | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | the autoconfiguration give me different sizes from time to time | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: but it can be a temporary solution waiting for something working better ;) | 11:32 |
| hunger | Tonio_: If you need to fix the dpi, then please fix it to the proper value and not some random one. | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | to me the important is that it works, not that "respects the standards defined 30 yes ago" | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | hum......... what new users say when he has a problem with fonts ? | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | will he search how to change that ? does he even know what dpi is ? | 11:33 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Font's don't. They are already on the way to the proper solution. It is the rest that is back in stoneage. | 11:34 |
| hunger | Tonio_: No, but you could get the dpi on first boot and use that as a fixed value. | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that with the same distro, Riddell got complained that "fonts are horribly big", or "ridiculously small" | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | what to do in that case ? publishing a guide to set the font size ? | 11:35 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Yes, that is because the dpis were set incorrectly. | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | hunger, the problem isn't an exception | 11:35 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Using a wrong setting for everybody will not help. | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | to my experience, it happens on about 40% of the computers I tested | 11:36 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Sure it does. | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | hunger, that can be seen as "an average" | 11:36 |
| hunger | Tonio_: My point is that if 40% of monitors are used with the wrong dpi setting then randomly picking one and using that should not improve the situation. | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is : do we want kubuntu to be limited to graphists and system ingeneers that are able to configure fonts ? | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: I agree that the ideal thing would be to let the people configuring it correctly, but that only a beautifull dream......... | 11:38 |
| hunger | Tonio_: You can get the value from the HW somehow. | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | can you imagin answering to a new user that come from the MS world : "contact your vendor to get the specs, and then configure X server to feet your screen" ? | 11:39 |
| hunger | Tonio_: No, but that is not the point:-) | 11:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: actually I believe that's how windows does it too | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | hi Riddell ! you mean fixing the dpi ? | 11:40 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Using 100dpi has one advantage: The fonts are properly scaled with respect to lines, boxes, etc. for most apps (since most developers seem to use 100dpi when designing stuff). | 11:40 |
| hunger | Tonio_: But it will not stop the fonts too big/too small issue at all. | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | I'm pretty sure MS does that, and that's the reason graphists have sometime pain to configure their monitor with precision | 11:41 |
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| Tonio_ | hunger, I personnaly fix fonts everywhere, and that fixed the small font issue to me and all linux users I know.... | 11:41 |
| Riddell | I doin't know what windows does by default but I believe there's an option to set the dpi with a ruler somewhere | 11:41 |
| hunger | Tonio_: It breaks things on my box. | 11:42 |
| Riddell | hunger: have patience :) I only got my fast compiling machine back yesterday and have had a backlog of things to compile | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | 20 machines doesn't mean it works everywhere of course, but even if the mothod can be discussed, the result is, to me, good | 11:42 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Your friends got cheapo hardware then;-) | 11:42 |
| hunger | Tonio_: 100dpi is close to the resolution of cheapish monitors. | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | hunger yup, if they didn't they would have apple hardware, and no issues, of course ;) | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | but here is an evidence of the need to have kubuntu meetings ;) | 11:43 |
| hunger | Tonio_: You get the same issue with apple hardware (when running linux on it). | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | to me, the solution can be tested, and if it causes any issue, of course, removed before breezy is out.... | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you opinion on that point ? | 11:44 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I have fixed my resolution, too. But I need it fixed to ~130dpi. | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | s/you/your | 11:44 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Sure, do it. Just do not break my system;-) | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | hunger well, that is not good, I agree, but if you are representing 1% of the people having a very specific hardware configuration.... | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | the standard config has to feet with the masses | 11:45 |
| hunger | Tonio_: 100dpi is an OKish setting for people with lowres hardware... so go for it. | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | I prefer 1% of people having an issue because of a setting, than 40% of users having issues with the standard.... that's my opinion ;) | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | but if the test isn't good, let's forget that :) | 11:46 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Can you do set the dpi only if they are not yet overridden? | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | well, to set them back simply change the kdmrc | 11:47 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: my opinion is to follow what gnome does since then we can just point the blame at ubuntu in general, and gnome now does the dpi from monitor thing | 11:47 |
| hunger | Tonio_: AAAARRRGGG! | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | the setting is set by a postinst script in kubuntu-default-setting | 11:47 |
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| hunger | Why don't you do this properly by fixing it in xorg.conf?! | 11:47 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Then this works independent of which DM is used (and even with startx). | 11:48 |
| raphink | hunger: then that's an Ubuntu-wide change, not a kubuntu specific one | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | hunger because I don't want to impact ubuntu globally ;) | 11:48 |
| hunger | raphink: So what? GDM does the same thing anyway IIRC. | 11:48 |
| raphink | exactly | 11:48 |
| raphink | if GDM does the same thing, then let's bring it to TB so it can be done to the whole distro | 11:49 |
| raphink | ;) | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you prefer me to remove that setting from the package so ? | 11:49 |
| hunger | raphink: So why not do it properly in ubuntu instead of messing in different places? | 11:49 |
| raphink | agreed hunger, but we have no power to do that ourselves imo | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | the only difference is that I never saw ubuntu users complaing about fonts..... | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | that sounds strange, but that seem to concern kubuntu users more | 11:50 |
| hunger | Hmm.. actually I can't find whether gdm fixes the dpi or not. | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | although I agree that's not logic at all | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | I even saw people saying that they where back to ubuntu because they had font size change regularly for kubuntu.... | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: pv | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | I answered you | 11:55 |
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| hunger | Riddell: Could you please update kdm to use /usr/bin/X instead of the obsolete /usr/X11R6/bin/X? | 11:58 |
| Riddell | hunger: where do I do that? | 11:59 |
| hunger | Riddell: gdm reduces the audit trail (-audit 0) of the server... We might want to add that, too. | 11:59 |
| Riddell | ah, ServerCmd=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br | 11:59 |
| Riddell | hunger: what does that do? | 12:00 |
| hunger | Riddell: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc. | 12:00 |
| hunger | Riddell: Look for ServerCmd= | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | hum, interesting :) | 12:01 |
| hunger | Riddell: I think we should use the same as gdm (/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0). | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: I'd be please to add another way to do it, if that's possible, don't get me wrong ;) | 12:01 |
| Riddell | hunger: what is this audit thing? | 12:01 |
| hunger | Riddell: Sets the audit trail level(?). Let me google what that is:-=) | 12:02 |
| hunger | Riddell: Looks like -audit 0 stops the Xserver from producing output on stderr. | 12:03 |
| hunger | Riddell: -audit 1 is the default and reports rejected connection attempts. | 12:04 |
| hunger | Riddell: audit output is send to stderr (where nobody sees it anyway). | 12:04 |
| hunger | Tonio_: How were you going to set the 100dpi? | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | let me copy paste ;) | 12:06 |
| hunger | Tonio_: By adding -dpi 100 to the X server command? | 12:06 |
| Tonio_ | bope | 12:06 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: to serverargslocal | 12:06 |
| hunger | Riddell: What about -nolisten tcp? Debian uses that to stop the server from accepting connections from outside. | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: s/ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp/ServerArgsLocal=-dpi 100 -nolisten tcp/ | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | here is the way I do it | 12:07 |
| hunger | Oh, there it is;-) | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 12:07 |
| hunger | Tonio_: OK, do that. That setting is ignored anyway if the hardware can be read. | 12:08 |
| Tonio_ | hum....... so it does the standard test, and forces only if there is a problem ? seems a good way to do so :) | 12:08 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't knew the specifics, I'm not an expert in video setting... | 12:09 |
| hunger | It would be really nice if both kdm and gdm (and whatever other *dm ubuntu ships) would use one script to start X. Then you'd only need to add the options there instead of going through all those different config files. | 12:09 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Read the manpages :-) | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: true, but we can do it be ourselves.... | 12:10 |
| hunger | By the way: Why is kdm installed in /usr/bin? The other *dms are in /usr/sbin. | 12:11 |
| hunger | It is not really a app a user might end up running. | 12:12 |
| Riddell | hunger: we will keep -nolisten tcp | 12:13 |
| hunger | Riddell: We definitly should. | 12:14 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: after remaster livecd , it need restart kdm ,and then can log into kde | 12:14 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: what is the error before restarting kdm? | 12:14 |
| hunger | Riddell: I was suggesting to add it since I missed it in the config. | 12:14 |
| Riddell | Community Council Meeting in 45 mins | 12:15 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Wouldn't it make sense to have -dpi 100 for all Xservers set up by kdm? | 12:15 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: I'm here | 12:16 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Then it should go into ServerCmd, not ServerArgsLocal... | 12:16 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: nothing give from kdm | 12:17 |
| hunger | Oh, LP is down again. | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: whern't you saying that was a crappy method ? | 12:19 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I am. | 12:19 |
| === Tonio_ is lost... | ||
| hunger | Tonio_: But if you do it, then do it properly:-) | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | so isn't that better if the setting only applies when the hardware is dreadable ? | 12:20 |
| hunger | Tonio_: -dpi 100 is a setting for the local monitor. ServerArgsLocal get applied to local sessions only. | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | so you say, "if you are forcing it, do it like a barbarian, everywhere" ? ^_^ | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | okay, changing this so ;) | 12:20 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Yeap:-) | 12:21 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I gave up on the barbarian linux user crowd;-) | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | haha | 12:21 |
| === hunger worked on fresco to fix all this mess in his student days. | ||
| allee | [11:20] <Tonio_> jpatrick: fixing dpi to 100 and ... | 12:35 |
| allee | Tonio_: no, no, no. Why? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | yay, my blog made distrowatch weekly :) | 12:39 |
| Riddell | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060206 | 12:39 |
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| jpatrick | cool | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: why fixing it ? | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | because letting xorg detect that causes issues on *many* machines | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | and that's only a testing proposal, to see what happens ;) I never said it was the untimate solution, and I agree the method is not clean... | 12:44 |
| allee | Tonio_: wouldn't it be better to let xorg ask on install? | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well, when it works, yes, of course | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | but it causes problems on se many machines........ | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | I got so many complains for the font setting issue, and I know I'm not the only one...... | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | let worg ask on install ? | 12:45 |
| allee | Tonio_: well, radeoan at least seems to not detect it :( | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | can you imagin a lambda user in front of the question : | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | "would you like to force the DPI and removes xorg ability to autoconfigure fonts" | 12:46 |
| allee | But I prefer to set it in xorg.conf (the right place) than to hack kdmrc or whatever (the wrong place) | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | a standard user doesn't even know what is DPI.... | 12:46 |
| allee | Tonio_: If it does not work hardcoding (should be done in xorg.conf | 12:46 |
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| allee | Tonio_: standard? | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: agree too, but that would impact the whole ubuntu... and gnome doesn't seem to have issues on that point | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: s/standard/newbie|lambda/ | 12:47 |
| allee | Tonio_: oh, do they hardcode it? (Otherwise they must have problem too!) | 12:48 |
| === allee wonders is no gnome on the world has a 133 dpi and 75 dpi monitor next to each other. | ||
| Tonio_ | allee: I don't know exactly how gdn/gnome is set..... All I know is that I very rarely saw ubutu users complaning about fonts, while it is the n1 problem reported with kubuntu | 12:49 |
| === allee assume gnome assume that M$ braindead behaviour is the right one, sigh :( | ||
| Tonio_ | MS is forcing the dpi, according to what I know.... | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | not good for graphists, but better for the masses apparently.... I never heard about a font issue with Windows | 12:50 |
| allee | Tonio_: yeah. MS seam to use pixel for font size instead of point | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | allee: which gives good result I must say | 12:50 |
| allee | Tonio_: no. lot's of people 'complain' about tiny fonts | 12:51 |
| allee | and icons | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | font settings are generally really clean on Windows machines | 12:51 |
| allee | + on M$. | 12:51 |
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| Tonio_ | they find them too small ? | 12:51 |
| allee | Tonio_: your are joking, right? :) | 12:51 |
| allee | Tonio_: Almost all 'big' Dell laptop here have DPI 125 ... 133 | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | nope, I'm not fine with windows on many points, but according to the font rendering, I like it | 12:52 |
| allee | Tonio_: and lot of people touch the screen with the nose | 12:52 |
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| Riddell | hello bobuse | 12:52 |
| bobuse | hi Ridell ! hi all ! | 12:53 |
| jpatrick | hullo bobuse | 12:53 |
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| allee | Tonio_: You ever used a 133dpi monitor with windows? Even ct, german computer magazin, notes the fact there fonts/icons are hardly readable in their tests | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yep | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | I had to change the font size | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | that's true, but that concerns a very little percentage of machines | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | the xorg way to proceed, is the best in theory | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | but the result is 40% people complaining with kubuntu... theory isn't as important than the fact to me.... | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | maybe 1 or 2% people would get an issue with dpi forced to 100 | 12:56 |
| allee | Tonio_: IMHO, if it this gets hardcoded then in xorg.conf. If gnome hardcodes in somewhere else it will override it | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | but 1% is better than 40 ans I don't know any way to get 0%... | 12:56 |
| allee | Tonio_: the cheap laptops have < 100 dpi. I'm not sure your % estimates are right | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | they have about 90 to 100 | 12:57 |
| allee | Tonio_: but would also say that 100 dpi may be a good compromise (but then in xorg.conf ;) | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | but dpi set to 100 gives something correct on them | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | although it is not optimised, that's true | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | and concerning the hardcoding, that has to be discussed, that's the reason we want to make kubuntu meetings :) | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | I personnaly prefer to have a setting that doesn't touch the canonical work... but as I say, that can be discussed | 12:58 |
| allee | Tonio_: do you have time tonight, to help me pester daniel? | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that I don't know where or even if gnome does overwrite it.... | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | of course | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | allee: on that problem ? to know how they are doing ? | 12:59 |
| allee | Tonio_: no. Quite some time ago I heard they use a fixed dpi. No idea about the current status. | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay, I'll be there ;) | 01:01 |
| allee | Tonio_: but it's a xorg problem and so gnome must have the same problem if they don't use a better hardcoded dpi | 01:01 |
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| allee | Tonio_: thx. back to work ... I'll ping you tonight | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | I don't say they don't have it, I'm saying I very rarely saw ubuntu users complaining, while kubuntu users do most of the time.... | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | allee: good work ;) | 01:01 |
| hunger | allee: I agree with you that all ubuntus should use the same setting for X. | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: agree too | 01:02 |
| allee | hunger: and even the right one (IMHO). IMHO that's even worth a question during install (but I assume not many agree with me here) | 01:03 |
| hunger | allee: Going with 100dpi at least gives fonts that match up with the rest of the gui. | 01:04 |
| hunger | allee: I am running at 130dpi and usually have to fix up Riddell's kdm themes to work properly with that:-) | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hum..... if the average people had a minimum knowledge, I would be okay... but that's not the facts... people are in front of a computer like me in an airbus A380 cockpit ^_^ | 01:05 |
| hunger | Tonio_: People are no idiots... They can answer questions like how wide and how high is your screen (in cm/in whatever). | 01:05 |
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| jpatrick | hello Hobbsee | 01:06 |
| allee | I've a a 90 dpi, 104, 125 dpi next to me and all fonts have excatly the same physikal size (yeah). Setting then to 100 dpi would be <favorite 4 letter word here> ;) | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | hi jpatrick | 01:06 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: did you finish building KOffice? :) | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: hum... do you know that 45% windows computers in the world don't have any antivirus installed | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: and that 65% people claim they wouldn't be able to install one ? | 01:07 |
| hunger | Tonio_: What does that have to do with that? | 01:07 |
| allee | Tonio_: because they are not installed/asked by the default installation ;) | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | maybe yes.... | 01:07 |
| hunger | Tonio_: That is some absolutly virtual activity. Of course most people can't do that. | 01:07 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: she did, it's uploading now | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | if there was a good and efficient script during installation, why not.... | 01:08 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Grabbing a ruler is *NOT*. | 01:08 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: oh cool, now I can do my project | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | but what to do with inches, cm, etc ?? | 01:08 |
| hunger | Tonio_: I guess my grandma could do that... but don't ask her to partition her HDD to install ubuntu. | 01:08 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=29331 & http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=29426 now GPL | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: as I say, with an explicit config script during installation, yes, that probably can be done | 01:09 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Turn the measured size into inches and devide by the screen resolution => dpi | 01:09 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: I have to go to lunch, can you tell them I'll be delayed? | 01:09 |
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| jpatrick | brb | 01:09 |
| Riddell | awooga (although we still need that main inclusion review) | 01:09 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: ok | 01:09 |
| jpatrick | 10 mins | 01:09 |
| allee | Tonio_, hunger: let's try to get fixed in xorg or add an question during install or hardcode 100 dpi. It's xorg business. If we fail we still could hardcode it :( | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | evening Riddell | 01:10 |
| Riddell | afternoon Hobbsee | 01:10 |
| === hunger agrees with allee. | ||
| Hobbsee | afternoon? wow | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: don't expect a french can give the size in inches... ;) | 01:10 |
| hunger | Tonio_: We should do use proper units anyway;-) | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | but well, that could be possible during install with an excplicit script, I agree | 01:11 |
| allee | Tonio_: luckily, Language, region of the use is asked first ;) | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yup | 01:12 |
| allee | s/use/user/ | 01:12 |
| allee | Tonio_, hunger: We detected that your monitor is \n\t xx <local unit> \nwide and\n\n yy <local unit> height.\n Please correct the values if the detected values are wrong. | 01:14 |
| allee | sound easy to understand. (With correct detected screen dimension or could also only ask for width) | 01:15 |
| allee | ah, work. c'u later | 01:16 |
| Riddell | community council in #ubuntu-meeting by the way | 01:21 |
| === Riddell hopes jpatrick gets back soon | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh goody - something that will put off doing my university timetable | 01:23 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: I'm here | 01:25 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: woo | 01:26 |
| jpatrick | was forced to do a jiggsaw on the way back | 01:27 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 01:28 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: ooh, looks like it building! | 01:30 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: cool | 01:30 |
| mornfall | allee: won't width-only cause trouble with widescreen? | 01:30 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: prolly prefix is wrong, but I'll fix that later version | 01:31 |
| Tm_T | s | 01:31 |
| freeflying | may i set the kde font for all users | 01:31 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: you wanted test kopete 0.12 alpha? | 01:32 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: sure | 01:32 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: ok, I'll inform when I have something to share ;) | 01:32 |
| freeflying | Riddell: how can I configure the font in kde for all users | 01:32 |
| Riddell | freeflying: edit /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals | 01:33 |
| mornfall | kiosktool ++ :-) | 01:41 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: woo! now we still need to wait for sabdfl or mako to ack though | 01:44 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: cool :) | 01:44 |
| jpatrick | thanks for helping guys | 01:44 |
| Mez | Riddell: I'm sure one of them will | 01:45 |
| hunger | jpatrick: Congratulations! | 01:45 |
| Mez | actually why isnt mako there? | 01:45 |
| Riddell | Mez: too early in the morning I guess | 01:45 |
| Mez | he's on AIM | 01:45 |
| Riddell | Mez: msg him then :) | 01:45 |
| Mez | am doing so | 01:46 |
| jpatrick | excellent | 01:46 |
| hunger | Anyone seen daniels recently? | 01:48 |
| Riddell | saw him last week in london actually | 01:48 |
| Riddell | he's moving to finland | 01:48 |
| === hunger had assigned some bugs to him a couple of weeks back. | ||
| Riddell | he no longer works for canonical though, don't know how much development he'll do | 01:49 |
| hunger | Oh, good. Haven't seen him around recently, wondering whether he left ubuntu (and my bugreports) for greener pastures, | 01:49 |
| hunger | Hmm... So whom should I assign his bugs to? | 01:49 |
| Riddell | well, more snowy pastures | 01:49 |
| Riddell | x-swat-team | 01:50 |
| Tm_T | any italian here? | 01:50 |
| Tm_T | ok, anyway, something fun and not-so-fun: http://people.cc.jyu.fi/~juhtolv/stuff/italian/caro_italiano.jpg | 01:50 |
| Tm_T | and yes, there's reason why most finnish irc users doesn't like italians or polish | 01:50 |
| === Riddell doesn't get it | ||
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| === Hobbsee doesnt get it either | ||
| === jpatrick neither | ||
| Tm_T | Riddell: well, most finnish irc users see italian or polish ircers only when they come flood, spam, or msg them | 01:53 |
| Tm_T | or, they conquer channel | 01:53 |
| Tm_T | overtake I mean | 01:53 |
| Riddell | I've never had any problems from italian IRC users | 01:53 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: me neither but some spammers | 01:54 |
| Tm_T | with *.it host | 01:54 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: wasn't there one that kept going "boaf" in #kubuntu? | 01:54 |
| jpatrick | I think that one was french... | 01:55 |
| Tm_T | heh | 01:55 |
| Tm_T | well, in my experience, banning *.it host is good way to prevent spam in IRCnet | 01:56 |
| Tm_T | I'm not saying all italian/polish ircers are bad, but most of them who end up to finnish channels | 01:57 |
| Tm_T | good ones doesn't care to come I think :p | 01:57 |
| Tm_T | tea and homebaked bread, yummy -> | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | hehe | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | how's the package coming along? | 01:59 |
| hunger | I wouldn't get any mails to my private address if I'd stop updating my bugreports in launchpad:-) | 02:00 |
| sealne | Riddell: any confirmation yet on akademy? | 02:08 |
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| Riddell | sealne: sigh, no, the board is yet to phone the Irish dudes to actually confirm | 02:10 |
| sealne | they haven't even asked yet? ffs | 02:11 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: "dpkg-deb: building package `kopete' in `../kopete_0.12-alpha1-1_i386.deb'." | 02:11 |
| Tm_T | looks like it's done | 02:12 |
| jpatrick | exellent excellent :) | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | now I'mjust waiting permission to share it =) | 02:13 |
| Tm_T | prolly needs tweaking and rebuild though | 02:13 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: could a possible agenda point for Kubuntu meeting be KDE SVN snapshot packages? | 02:15 |
| Riddell | sure | 02:16 |
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| Tm_T | jpatrick: ok, now I'm rebuilding with jingle voice support | 02:35 |
| Tm_T | or trying to =) | 02:35 |
| Tm_T | yup, now configured with voice | 02:35 |
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| Tm_T | aaand Kopete 0.12 alpha 1 installed :) | 03:06 |
| jpatrick | terrific | 03:07 |
| Tm_T | indeed | 03:07 |
| Tm_T | only one issue, doesn't return correct version number (haven't changed in sources yet) | 03:08 |
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| JRe | cool a new kopete is coming out :) | 03:21 |
| jpatrick | JRe: I think Tm_T just packaged it | 03:22 |
| JRe | jpatrick: yeah I saw :) | 03:22 |
| Tm_T | yu | 03:22 |
| JRe | Tm_T: if you need a tester I am here :) | 03:23 |
| Tm_T | only alpha, so keep your pants up ;) | 03:23 |
| Tm_T | JRe: immediately I get permission ;) | 03:23 |
| Riddell | hunger: kdelibs patch works great, I'll upload it to kubuntu and forward to kde-core-devel | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | hum Riddell sorry for bugging you with this, but when you have a second to have a look at "keep" on revu :) I think JRe would kill me if I don't ping anyone to get it in dapper ^^ | 03:25 |
| JRe | Tonio_: I think Riddell already did it but complained that there were no error messages in Keep and so I am currently implementing it | 03:26 |
| JRe | Tonio_: and a 0.3.0 with notifications is coming out :) | 03:26 |
| JRe | Tonio_: tough it's not ready now but could be released at the end of the day =) | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | hum, I thought it was already in.... as Riddell talked about "next upstream release" :) | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | and I didn't test latest version (while I should, shame on me) | 03:27 |
| JRe | Tonio_: :) | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | okay so JRe tell me when it's done, and I'll package and ping the entire world for revuing ;) | 03:28 |
| JRe | Tonio_: ok :) | 03:28 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_ only just subscribed to kubuntu-devel too? | 03:48 |
| Riddell | how come our best developers don't know about our mailing list? | 03:48 |
| freeflying | Riddell: my livecd still need restart kdm before I can log into kde | 03:50 |
| Riddell | freeflying: so kdm starts, you put in a password and it rejects the password until kdm is restarted? | 03:51 |
| freeflying | Riddell: it need not input username and passwd | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | yup Riddell ......... sorry ;) | 03:52 |
| freeflying | Riddell: after splash , it will stop | 03:52 |
| freeflying | Riddell: but after I restart kdm , it will auto login kdm | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | I'm not a biug ML user, so I didn't checked until raphink took me like a baby to subscribe | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any possibility to imagin moodin in dapper ? | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | if not I may take that : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426 | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | and make a non moodin version | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | this theme is simply fabulous ! | 03:54 |
| Riddell | freeflying: sounds like it's not a kdm problem but something else that is blocking it | 03:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: moodin is waiting for main inclusion review | 03:54 |
| hunger | Riddell: Looks nice... but could use some more space between the lines! | 03:55 |
| raphink | Riddell: there's no link to this list anywhere, and we spend more time on IRC than on MLs because it's faster to work | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: good, and according to you, will it be there for dapper ? It is to know how what to add in kubuntu-default-settings eventually.... | 03:55 |
| raphink | Riddell: when I want to fix something, I don't want to wait for answers for hours or days ;) | 03:55 |
| raphink | so I don't use MLs much | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | I'm working on it activelly, so maybe I can have a look at the kdm part also | 03:56 |
| freeflying | Riddell: will skim merge from debian if there will have new upstream release | 03:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, I certainly hope it'll be in dapper, it's been waiting review for ages | 03:56 |
| Riddell | freeflying: we'll marge after dapper probably | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so let's includethe moodin theme in kubuntu-default-settings no ? | 03:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yeah, can do | 03:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: but I won't upload that yet, no point until moodin gets into main | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: of course | 03:58 |
| freeflying | Riddell: it's seems that the maintainer in debain won't like collaborate on skim | 03:59 |
| Riddell | freeflying: did he say something to you? | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and about knemo, I added a standard config file in KDS package, and that works like a charm, no config required after that | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | so it's up to you to decide if you want it installed by default or not... the config file can eventually stay in the settings, for users who manually install it | 04:03 |
| freeflying | Riddell: he didn't say anthing about skim to me after skim been uploaded to univers, so it's difficult to me to work on it | 04:04 |
| raphink | Riddell: while we are on default settings, many people keep a dual boot with windows and kubuntu, and get a B&W grub screen at boot. What would you think of using kubuntu-grubsplashimages ? | 04:06 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-grub-splashimages? | 04:06 |
| Riddell | raphink: do what with it? | 04:06 |
| Riddell | freeflying: well after dapper we'll look and see if we want to keep using the current version we have or if we want to sync with debian | 04:07 |
| raphink | put it by default so it's not B&W by default | 04:07 |
| raphink | Riddell: just a thought, maybe it needs to be tested more | 04:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: knemo, cool | 04:07 |
| Riddell | raphink: oh, you want kubuntu-grub-splashimages in main and part of the kubuntu CD? | 04:08 |
| raphink | Riddell: what would you think? | 04:08 |
| Riddell | not for dapper | 04:08 |
| raphink | ok | 04:08 |
| Riddell | maybe after dapper we can put it in and see what breaks | 04:08 |
| raphink | yep | 04:08 |
| raphink | so dapper will still have a default B&W boot screen ;) | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I added enought cards to feet with geek needs.... eth0, eth1, eth2, wlan0, wlan1, ra0 and ra1 are managed automatically... there shouldn't be much people out of that configuration | 04:09 |
| hunger | raphink: Not on my system;-) | 04:09 |
| raphink | I think during dapper I can try to advertise the package to people and have them try it | 04:09 |
| hunger | raphink: Not even breezy had that;-) | 04:09 |
| raphink | hunger: not on mine either, I use the packages I make ;) | 04:09 |
| hunger | raphink: I just drop an image into grub. | 04:09 |
| raphink | hunger: did you try kubuntu-grubsplashimages? | 04:09 |
| hunger | raphink: No need to waste time packaging stuff for that. | 04:10 |
| raphink | hunger: that's because you're an advanced user. I don't excpect my mom to do it | 04:10 |
| raphink | hunger: of course there is a need. We're not developping gentoo here, we're developping kubuntu!: | 04:10 |
| hunger | raphink: No. I use my own image (which happens to be a downscaled version of my normal background image. | 04:10 |
| raphink | I don't expect kubuntu users to know how to install grub splash images manually | 04:11 |
| raphink | and I don't want them to use grubconf or so | 04:11 |
| hunger | raphink: grubconf? vi is the tool;-) | 04:11 |
| raphink | hunger: not sure you're developping for the right distro ;) | 04:11 |
| raphink | it's great to use vi, emacs, pico and all | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: kubuntu is designed for home use, not geek only use.... | 04:12 |
| raphink | but not for users | 04:12 |
| hunger | raphink: I am not developing here. | 04:12 |
| raphink | if I want a feature to be in kubuntu (not only on MY box, but available for all boxes) I HAVE to package it | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | and a home user doesn't know vi, and doesn't even have the idea that the bootmanager can be configured.... | 04:12 |
| hunger | raphink: I am only using kubuntu. | 04:12 |
| raphink | hunger: that explains | 04:12 |
| Riddell | raphink: want to advocate kblogger once more? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1675 | 04:13 |
| raphink | hunger: this channel is #kubuntu-devel, when I say I've made a package for grub splashimages | 04:13 |
| raphink | that doesn't mean I've done it for myself | 04:13 |
| Riddell | raphink: or just tell me it's fine to upload | 04:13 |
| raphink | Riddell: sure | 04:13 |
| hunger | raphink: using it and sending patches whenever I have the time to do so (and something gets on my nerves). | 04:13 |
| hunger | raphink: Hey, I was just pulling your leg. I never assumed you made debs for your own use. | 04:14 |
| raphink | Riddell: I want to run revu-report on it again, since many build-deps were removed | 04:14 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:14 |
| Riddell | raphink: where does revu-report happen? | 04:15 |
| raphink | Riddell: in REVU ;) | 04:15 |
| raphink | I'll show you Riddell | 04:15 |
| raphink | Riddell: this is a tool I've developped in the last 3 days, that does most the automated things I want to run in console on a package in REVU | 04:16 |
| raphink | Riddell: | 04:17 |
| raphink | Running revu-orig on the upstream tarball 29552-kblogger-0.4.1.tar.bz2 | 04:17 |
| raphink | Generating md5 report in tarballs.md5 | 04:17 |
| raphink | Extracting tar.bz2 upstream archive 29552-kblogger-0.4.1.tar.bz2 to extracted_tarballs/ ... | 04:18 |
| raphink | Extracting tar.gz orig archive to extracted_tarballs/ ... | 04:18 |
| raphink | Generating diff report in upstream_orig.diff | 04:18 |
| raphink | Running revu-build on the dsc file kblogger_0.4.1-0ubuntu1.dsc | 04:18 |
| raphink | W: /home/raphink/.pbuilderrc does not exist | 04:18 |
| raphink | -> Logging to kblogger_0.4.1-0ubuntu1.buildlog | 04:18 |
| raphink | that's the thing is does | 04:18 |
| raphink | and more | 04:18 |
| Riddell | raphink: will the output appear on revu? | 04:19 |
| raphink | Riddell: yep | 04:19 |
| === Riddell waits for appearance | ||
| raphink | look at the REVU_report file in the file list | 04:19 |
| raphink | it's building right now Riddell | 04:19 |
| raphink | Riddell: done | 04:20 |
| raphink | check the list | 04:20 |
| raphink | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kblogger-0602061835/REVU_report | 04:21 |
| Riddell | raphink: where does it get the upstream tar from? | 04:21 |
| raphink | Riddell: either debian/watch if available (since yesterday's version) | 04:21 |
| raphink | or I get it manually with wget if there's no dbian/watch | 04:21 |
| Riddell | all very clever | 04:21 |
| raphink | Riddell: I've been working on this set of tools for 3 days non stop lately ;) | 04:21 |
| raphink | one version per day :) | 04:22 |
| raphink | and packaged it as deb yesterday evening | 04:22 |
| raphink | REVU-independent now | 04:22 |
| raphink | so you can run it on your own machine :) | 04:22 |
| Riddell | so anyway, can I upload kblogger? | 04:25 |
| raphink | Riddell: wait a min | 04:25 |
| raphink | looks good to me Riddell | 04:26 |
| raphink | :) | 04:26 |
| raphink | up it goes :) | 04:26 |
| Riddell | yay | 04:26 |
| raphink | Riddell: how do you like REVU-tools ? | 04:27 |
| raphink | REVU_report might have seemed a bit empty Riddell, but it can be fuller if errors happen, such as FTBFS, Debian native or so | 04:27 |
| raphink | they just don't appear if all is ok :) | 04:27 |
| Riddell | all seems very clever as I say, should be useful | 04:28 |
| raphink | :) | 04:30 |
| raphink | hope it can be | 04:30 |
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| jpatrick | raphink: nice script :) | 04:45 |
| raphink | jpatrick: thanks | 04:45 |
| raphink | jpatrick: you can get the deb on http://revu.tauware.de/~raphink/debs if you want to test it | 04:46 |
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| jpatrick | are those for Dapper? | 04:46 |
| raphink | jpatrick: REVU is running in breezy | 04:47 |
| raphink | but the package is made in dapper | 04:47 |
| raphink | it's distro independant | 04:47 |
| raphink | should work fine in sarge, too | 04:47 |
| jpatrick | ok | 04:47 |
| raphink | it just requires pbuilder, lintian and linda | 04:48 |
| raphink | hmm and devscripts | 04:48 |
| raphink | jpatrick: so nothing that is not in hoary, breezy, sarge, etch or dapper | 04:49 |
| raphink | or sid | 04:49 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:49 |
| jpatrick | great :) | 04:49 |
| raphink | you can try it | 04:49 |
| raphink | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU/REVU-Tools there's an explanation on how to set it | 04:50 |
| jpatrick | only REVU admins.... | 04:52 |
| raphink | jpatrick: look down | 04:52 |
| raphink | end of the page | 04:52 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:52 |
| jpatrick | ah right | 04:52 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:52 |
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| raphink | jpatrick: feel free to use it and report bugs | 04:56 |
| raphink | jpatrick: I hvaen't added dpkg-source -x to it yet (I forgot about it since it's automatic on REVU) | 04:56 |
| raphink | it's a matter of 3 lintes of code but needs to be run manually so far | 04:56 |
| raphink | s/lintes/lines/ | 04:57 |
| Riddell | mornfall_: is it ok to start adept-notifier by default? | 04:58 |
| Riddell | ** I need breezy users to test the new koffice | 05:00 |
| Tm_T | there might be people in !kubuntu.fi, I'll ask | 05:02 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: would u mind review this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1677 | 05:12 |
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| jpatrick | raphink: sorry, I pushed the power off button | 05:13 |
| Riddell | freeflying: what's the change? | 05:13 |
| freeflying | Riddell: remove the dependency on im-switch | 05:14 |
| freeflying | Riddell: wait , i'd correct the name | 05:16 |
| Riddell | kdelibs_3.5.1-0ubuntu4_source.changes ACCEPTED INTO ubuntu/dapper that's new | 05:19 |
| jpatrick | :| | 05:21 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i'd say so, yes | 05:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: just need to find a way to turn that off sensibly :) | 05:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: if you tell me how to, i'll add an item to menu doing that | 05:23 |
| Riddell | mornfall: to which menu? | 05:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: context menu of the notifier | 05:23 |
| Riddell | what do you need to know from me? | 05:24 |
| mornfall | Riddell: how you want to make it start up by default :) | 05:24 |
| mornfall | so i know how to turn it off from the app | 05:24 |
| Riddell | mornfall: probably best thing is to put a file in /usr/share/autostart | 05:24 |
| Riddell | which includes a condition based on a suitable rc file | 05:25 |
| mornfall | Riddell: maybe make a wrapper that tests some flag somewhere? | 05:25 |
| mornfall | aha | 05:25 |
| raphink | jpatrick: if you missed it | 05:25 |
| raphink | [16:56] <raphink> jpatrick: feel free to use it and report bugs | 05:25 |
| raphink | [16:56] <raphink> jpatrick: I hvaen't added dpkg-source -x to it yet (I forgot about it since it's automatic on REVU) | 05:25 |
| raphink | [16:57] <raphink> it's a matter of 3 lintes of code but needs to be run manually so far | 05:25 |
| raphink | [16:57] <raphink> s/lintes/lines/ | 05:25 |
| jpatrick | I've got it here now :) | 05:25 |
| Riddell | freeflying: there's no change in dependencies in that package | 05:25 |
| Riddell | freeflying: also the version should be -1ubuntu1 not -2, and changelog should hvae dapper not unstable | 05:25 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I forgot to remove it from control :( | 05:28 |
| jpatrick | Riddell, raphink : uploading new kalzium-simulations to REVU | 05:30 |
| === jpatrick tries out revu-tools | ||
| raphink | wait I'll be back later | 05:30 |
| Tm_T | hey, what is khubd | 05:31 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: how about kopete now ? | 05:32 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: no permission yet, "boss" is at work | 05:32 |
| Tm_T | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | 05:32 |
| Tm_T | 1511 root 20 -5 0 0 0 R 88.0 0.0 97:25.58 khubd | 05:32 |
| === freeflying night all , I'd go to bed now . scim-anthy is uploading to REVU | ||
| raphink | freeflying gn8 | 05:32 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: good night, sleep tight | 05:32 |
| jpatrick | not too tight | 05:32 |
| Tm_T | hehe | 05:32 |
| Tm_T | ok, that khubd has something to do with new kopete alpha | 05:34 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: ha | 05:35 |
| Tm_T | no idea what it is | 05:35 |
| Tm_T | looks like it was runned when I plugged webcam in | 05:35 |
| Tm_T | and messed it | 05:35 |
| mornfall | khubd, isn't that kernel hub daemon? :) | 05:36 |
| Tm_T | no idea | 05:36 |
| mornfall | usb thingy | 05:36 |
| mornfall | is your webcam usb? | 05:36 |
| Tm_T | yes | 05:36 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: what version of koffice? | 05:36 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: 1.4.90-0ubuntu0breezy2 | 05:37 |
| Tm_T | so 1.5 beta? | 05:37 |
| jpatrick | yes | 05:37 |
| Tm_T | aye, ty | 05:37 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: is there a run-time library kalzium-simulations should depend on? | 05:38 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: ok, looks like I found one tester ;) | 05:38 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: don't believe so | 05:38 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: cool, same koffice repository as before | 05:39 |
| Tm_T | ok, I also directed him to come here,so he can tell his experiences | 05:39 |
| jpatrick | I'll dep on libqt4-core and libqt4-gui then.. | 05:40 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice15beta1/ ? | 05:40 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:40 |
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| jpatrick | hello nlindblad | 05:41 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: thanks | 05:41 |
| nlindblad | hi mate | 05:41 |
| Tm_T | hullo | 05:42 |
| Tm_T | ok, now short ET session -> | 05:42 |
| jpatrick | ... ? | 05:43 |
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| robotgeek | hi, this may be a noob question, but does someone know off the bat if there is something similiar to 'gnome-menus-C.ent' for kde, containing the references for kde menu entries? | 05:49 |
| Riddell | robotgeek: what sort of menu entries? | 05:49 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: in the ubuntu-docs package, it contains menu entries in a xml file /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/menus/C | 05:50 |
| Riddell | if we're talking about help centre menu entries... | 05:52 |
| robotgeek | yeah, for the help centre menus | 05:53 |
| robotgeek | sorry | 05:53 |
| Riddell | they're in /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/ | 05:53 |
| robotgeek | i've gotten 3 more people to work on it with me now, so we should finish off real quick | 05:53 |
| Riddell | ooh, wow | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: err, no. not the desktop files. | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: do you have ubuntu-docs/ the svn of the doc team repo? | 05:54 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:54 |
| jpatrick | Mez: any word? | 05:55 |
| robotgeek | okay, i will assume the svn repo. /ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/menus/C | 05:55 |
| Riddell | robotgeek: those define entities that can be included? | 05:57 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: yes, it "prints out" and formats the path to launch it. | 05:58 |
| Riddell | well I don't think kde can do exactly that but you can define entities | 05:59 |
| robotgeek | So, if i have a &konsole reference, it will say K-menu -> Utilities -> Konsole | 05:59 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: that i guess will be handled by the xslt, the conversion | 06:00 |
| Riddell | kubuntu/libs/kde.ent seems to for example | 06:00 |
| robotgeek | yeah, i don't mind creating something like that for the applications i am referencing | 06:02 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: koffice is being kept back | 06:03 |
| jpatrick | everything else is downloadomg | 06:04 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: thanks for your help, i think i will generate those menu entries for kde | 06:04 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: are you doing an apt-get upgrade? | 06:04 |
| jpatrick | dist-upgrade | 06:04 |
| Riddell | hmm, wonder why it's being kept back then | 06:05 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: breezy? | 06:05 |
| jpatrick | yes | 06:05 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: can you do a direct apt-get install koffice when your current download is done | 06:05 |
| jpatrick | yep :) | 06:05 |
| LeeJunFan | Riddell: just noticed on 3.5.1 with breezy konq seems to miss file search and open konsole here. | 06:07 |
| Riddell | LeeJunFan: file search? | 06:08 |
| LeeJunFan | Riddell: normally under tools menu with konqueror. | 06:08 |
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| Riddell | sebas, Sime: on #kde-devel < Niedakh> is it possible to write konqueror plugins using pykde? | 06:24 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: oh dear: koffice: Depends: kexi (>= 1:1.4.90-0ubuntu0breezy2) but 0.9final-0ubuntu5 | 06:27 |
| jpatrick | is to be installed | 06:27 |
| Riddell | blurg | 06:29 |
| Riddell | oh well, I don't care they're beta packages | 06:29 |
| jpatrick | but those dead annoying red and blue lines are gone!! | 06:30 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: phew, that's the main issue | 06:30 |
| jpatrick | anyone know how I can fix "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtGui_debug" | 06:32 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: do you have that library installed? | 06:33 |
| jpatrick | `libqt4-debug` is installed | 06:33 |
| Riddell | and does it include libQtGui_debug? | 06:33 |
| jpatrick | don't know about that :( | 06:34 |
| Riddell | `ls` is your friend | 06:34 |
| jpatrick | found it - now which package is it in - /me goes to packages.ubuntu.com | 06:41 |
| Riddell | dpkg -S is your other friend | 06:42 |
| Riddell | packages.ubuntu.com won't know for dapper | 06:42 |
| jpatrick | and I'm not on Dapper | 06:43 |
| Riddell | ah | 06:43 |
| jpatrick | it's in libqt4-debug in Breezy | 06:43 |
| mornfall | Riddell: how much do we want pinning? | 06:52 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I've never used pinning so I can't say I have much need of it | 06:54 |
| mornfall | who actually requested that to be part of dapper goals? | 06:55 |
| mornfall | because thinking of it i can imagine more useful things to do :) | 06:55 |
| Riddell | umm, I think you did :) | 06:56 |
| mornfall | surely not me? | 06:56 |
| mornfall | maybe some user request | 06:56 |
| Riddell | maybe | 06:56 |
| mornfall | :) | 06:56 |
| teprrr | shouldn't dapper generate pot file automatically? | 07:01 |
| Riddell | teprrr: depends on the package | 07:01 |
| teprrr | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1644 -- talking about raphink's comment there | 07:02 |
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| teprrr | so hmm, how does it depend on the package, Riddell? | 07:04 |
| Riddell | if the admin/ directory is sufficiently up to date | 07:05 |
| Riddell | and if the package uses cdbs | 07:05 |
| Riddell | it will | 07:05 |
| Riddell | but you probably also need to patch admin/cvs.sh for $kdepotpath | 07:05 |
| teprrr | okay | 07:06 |
| allee | teprrr: fwiw: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kboggle/trunk/debian/?rev=0&sc=0 | 07:18 |
| teprrr | allee, ah. | 07:23 |
| teprrr | so hmm, what should I do? :) | 07:24 |
| allee | teprrr: don't know. I have not compared, so if there's something worth to merge/replace | 07:25 |
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| Mez|Work | Riddell, I prob wont be able to make that meeting | 07:30 |
| Mez|Work | I'll let you know on monday | 07:30 |
| Riddell | Mez|Work: ok | 07:33 |
| Riddell | let me know if there's anything you'd like brought up | 07:33 |
| Mez|Work | is there an agenda ? | 07:34 |
| Mez|Work | (and prob nothing other than backporting KDE releases) | 07:34 |
| allee | Mez: see topic | 07:34 |
| Riddell | agenda is whatever we feel like | 07:35 |
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| Tm_T | how about konquer the world? | 07:36 |
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| jpatrick | Tm_T: sounds hard | 07:46 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: could I add ksplash-engine-moodin inclusion to agenda? :) | 07:47 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: so? we have new Kopete as our weapon ;) | 07:49 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: if there's something to discuss | 08:18 |
| jpatrick | getting it into main | 08:19 |
| jpatrick | and the artwork | 08:19 |
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| sebas | Sime: Ping. | 08:33 |
| Sime | hi | 08:33 |
| sebas | Hi | 08:33 |
| sebas | I'm hacking on mountconfig, but things seem a little strange in MicroHAL | 08:33 |
| sebas | My DVDROM is seen as RemovableDisk (CDrom Icon), but it has major number 3. | 08:34 |
| sebas | So from my interpretation of MicroHAL, it should actually be interpreted as being an IDE harddisk. | 08:34 |
| Sime | fhandle = open(os.path.join("/sys/block",blockdevice,"removable")) | 08:36 |
| Sime | it checks for removable devices. | 08:36 |
| sebas | Ah. | 08:36 |
| sebas | Ok, I see. | 08:36 |
| sebas | So the problem is that my DVD burner has Major number 3, and thus becomes Removable disk. | 08:37 |
| sebas | If it was a "real" burner (as according to MicroHAL), it should have another major. | 08:37 |
| sebas | Or what is "Packet writing for CD/DVD devices" actually? | 08:37 |
| sebas | We need to have a better check there "can burn" or something. | 08:38 |
| Sime | probably some exotic device that burns. | 08:39 |
| Sime | most devices just look like generic IDE harddisks. | 08:40 |
| sebas | Then 2/3 of my burners are exotic :> | 08:40 |
| Sime | oh | 08:40 |
| sebas | This one's a DVD burner 3:0, I've a DVD/CDRW combo (ide-scsi obviously), 11:0, and a Lite-On CD Burner, 3:64 (simple IDE) | 08:41 |
| sebas | Maybe major/minor are different if !ide-scsi? :? | 08:41 |
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| Sime | what does real HAL have to say? | 08:42 |
| Sime | lshal | 08:42 |
| sebas | Didn't check yet. | 08:42 |
| sebas | Last time I checked, the python dbus/hal was quite unstable. | 08:42 |
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| Sime | either way, we don't have time to try it out. | 08:43 |
| Sime | dapper+1 | 08:43 |
| sebas | No, but good to have it confirmed as "not my stupid mind" :-) | 08:43 |
| sebas | "real" HAL got it somewhat right. | 08:44 |
| sebas | cdrecorder it is. | 08:44 |
| sebas | I've added HAL to mountconfig's TODO. | 08:45 |
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| sebas | Sime: More fun. | 08:56 |
| sebas | In my fstab, the DVD has udf,iso9669 as filesystem. | 08:56 |
| sebas | mountconfig can't parse this entry, and leaves it as "not in mountconfig". | 08:56 |
| sebas | I'll see if there's a workaround (I could maybe set it to "auto", although that's quite rude IMO. | 08:58 |
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| Sime | how can you have 2? | 09:03 |
| sebas | That's what the installer made of it. | 09:04 |
| sebas | It works ok though. | 09:04 |
| sebas | It's marginally documented in mount(8) | 09:07 |
| sebas | At the end of the documentation of the -t flag. | 09:07 |
| Sime | :-/ doesn't really explain what it does. | 09:11 |
| sebas | Yeah, well, I'll add a check if all filesystems listed are supported and change it to auto, ACK> | 09:12 |
| sebas | ? | 09:12 |
| Sime | dunno | 09:13 |
| sebas | It seems to try those two, instead of trying every possible fs. | 09:14 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: ok! | 09:25 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: what? | 09:26 |
| Tm_T | just wait, I'm uploading kopete deb to my website | 09:26 |
| Tm_T | JRe: you wanted too? | 09:27 |
| sebas | Sime: Can I commit something that sets it to auto, until we have a better solution? | 09:28 |
| sebas | I'm catching exactly that problem now, but I did not do the supported fs checking, we don't have a reference to MicroHAL there (could add that though, but it doesn't make the code really nicer). | 09:30 |
| Tm_T | dapper package with experimental jingle voice, testing purpose only (will build polished package tomorrow) http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/temp/kopete_0.12-alpha1-1_i386.deb | 09:32 |
| Tm_T | if you get it installed, test msn webcam and jabber voice ;) | 09:33 |
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| jpatrick | why, hello again seth :) | 09:37 |
| seth | hey hey jpatrick | 09:38 |
| seth | can you make it to the meeting? | 09:38 |
| jpatrick | seth: Kubuntu? | 09:38 |
| seth | yessir | 09:38 |
| jpatrick | I have something I want to do on the agenda | 09:39 |
| jpatrick | seth: and I made it to the CC one today | 09:40 |
| Riddell | so jpatrick is now 2/3rds of a member :) | 09:40 |
| seth | haha | 09:41 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: I have a kcontrol-kdmtheme that just works!! | 09:41 |
| jpatrick | no lintain errors etc | 09:41 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: what am I waiting for now then? | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1683 | 09:42 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: umm, no idea | 09:42 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: oh, membership, you're waiting for mark or mako to ack | 09:43 |
| Riddell | not sure when they'll do that | 09:43 |
| jpatrick | do I get an email or something? | 09:43 |
| Riddell | kcontrol-kdmtheme I'll take a look at in a minute | 09:43 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: don't think so, try pinging kamion in a couple of days | 09:44 |
| Riddell | or if you spot mako or sabdfl online poke them :) | 09:44 |
| jpatrick | ok | 09:45 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: package is kdmtheme | 09:46 |
| jpatrick | hasn't appeared yet,,, | 09:46 |
| jpatrick | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1684 | 09:47 |
| Riddell | jjesse, robotgeek_away: a patch to desktopguide on the list :) | 09:47 |
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| robotgeek | Riddell: you made a patch? | 09:48 |
| Riddell | no, someone else, don't recognise them | 09:48 |
| Riddell | Derek Buranen | 09:48 |
| robotgeek | yeah, one of our new team :) | 09:48 |
| Riddell | "Apofis (apofis) wants to join this team. " do we know this guy? | 09:49 |
| robotgeek | hmm, never heard of him | 09:49 |
| jpatrick | err... simply put -> no | 09:49 |
| Riddell | Rejected! | 09:49 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: mako's in #ubuntu-devel | 09:50 |
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| jpatrick | night, guys | 09:55 |
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| robotgeek | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | robotgeek: maybe I can help with desktop customisation | 10:02 |
| Tm_T | part | 10:02 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: that's great. | 10:02 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: that's my weak area :) | 10:03 |
| Tm_T | well, that's about what I do with KDE ;) | 10:04 |
| Tm_T | if you can call customisation hacking windecos, kicker, doing own graphics etc etc ;) | 10:05 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: feel free to edit the wiki page, and take control of the chapter | 10:05 |
| Tm_T | hum, ok | 10:05 |
| Tm_T | robotgeek: maybe system tweaks too? | 10:06 |
| Tm_T | or, maybe not, atleast not yet | 10:06 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: feel free to take over the tips and tricks chapter, there's no one there yet | 10:06 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: do you need help with docbook stuff? | 10:11 |
| Tm_T | prolly yes | 10:11 |
| Tm_T | but let's talk about it later, now I'm going to sleep -> | 10:12 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: just jump in #ubuntu-doc or #kubuntu-offtopic | 10:12 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: bookmark this :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted | 10:12 |
| Tm_T | good night :) -> | 10:12 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: later Tm_T | 10:14 |
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