[12:03] it looks like it's trying to call a prob from a var - but the var is unset [12:03] yay [12:05] Riddell: lots of shlibdeps warnings... === Mez checks if makeshlibs was calle === hunger waits for the apidocs to build. [12:06] mez@lethargy:/scratch/cache/pbuilder/result$ ls *.deb [12:06] kdelibs_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb kdelibs4-dev_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb kdelibs-data_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb [12:06] kdelibs4c2_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb kdelibs4-doc_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb [12:06] kdelibs4c2-dbg_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb kdelibs-bin_3.5.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [12:06] Mez: Lucky bastard;-) [12:06] hunger indeed :D [12:07] oh, and look :D [12:07] kdelibs4c2 [12:07] :D [12:07] it worked [12:07] rocking! [12:07] Riddell: kdelibs - backportable :D [12:08] woo! [12:09] * Found tag kio/kfile/kfile.tag [12:10] sorry [12:10] /tmp/kdelibs-3.5.1/admin/doxygen.sh: line 498: 11144 Segmentation fault doxygen "$subdir/Doxyfile" [12:10] Riddell: part way there - I haventdone a full check yet [12:16] My hdd is too slow:-( [12:17] Mez: I get that --attr=language... command not found, too. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:20] is there any chance we can use network-admin in kde? [12:20] building koffice for breezy in the background [12:21] ...? [12:21] or...something...? Sorry, going slightly nuts with my wireless card here... [12:21] Hobbsee: what's network-admin? [12:22] thought it was the gnome network client [12:22] er, network-manager [12:22] n-m works in kubuntu [12:22] lol [12:22] I havent tried the KDE version though [12:22] ok [12:22] Hobbsee: you can but you need to compile cvs libnl, networkmanager and knetworkmanager [12:22] i didnt try it, didnt want to suddenly get all of gnome on my systeem [12:23] right === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:24] is there a kcharmap or soemthing? [12:25] Riddell: Fix seems to work. [12:25] Riddell: Shall I mail it to you? [12:28] kde relies on python ? [12:29] If you use scons to build it, yes. [12:29] And we're working on some kcontrol modules in python. [12:29] sebas: the default insall does [12:29] superkaramba aswell [12:29] Then it's probably SK [12:30] ah superkaramba in kde3.5.1 [12:30] hunger: please do [12:30] hunger: what does it do? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:32] Riddell: kdelibs - Install ok [12:32] Mez: excellent :) [12:32] now to kdebase [12:33] Riddell: Patch for the gnome problem is on its way to you. [12:34] hunger: but what does it do? [12:34] Riddell: It does not change the API. I just copied some code from the menueditor or something into kdelibs/kinit to make it ignore desktop files without kde in "ShowOnlyIn" or "kde" in "NotShowIn" [12:34] Riddell: s/kde/KDE/. [12:35] Riddell: That way gnome-volume-manager.desktop and gnome-power-manager.desktop get ignored (which get installed with the current ubuntu-desktop) [12:36] hunger: earlier you said you thought it already did that? [12:36] Riddell: Without my patch gnome windows keep popping up whenever a new HD is discovered. [12:36] a new hard disk? [12:36] Riddell: I said that it does *not* do that at all. [12:36] Riddell: USB or something hotpluggable. [12:37] what causes that? [12:37] oh, gnome-volume-manager? [12:37] ah yes, I have that running too [12:37] Riddell: g-volume-manager starts nautilus. [12:37] yeah [12:37] hunger: excellent work :) [12:38] Riddell: It was easy enough once you pointed me into the right direction:-) [12:38] Anyway: Good night. [12:38] night hunger, thanks for the help === hunger hopes to find fixed debs in the repository when he wakes up. [12:39] Riddell: I help whenever I find the time to do so. Damn job;-) [12:49] Hobbsee: how's the compiling? [12:49] Riddell: of koffice? *sigh* [12:49] why the sigh? [12:50] lemme pastebin... [12:50] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8138 [12:51] yet gnupg's already installed [12:51] i suppose ~/.gnupg isnt there though [12:51] Hobbsee: that's it done [12:52] Hobbsee: don't worry about signing, you aren't uploading to revu or ubuntu archive [12:52] oh, so it is :) [12:52] i read "error" and shuddered, not really looking at it [12:52] upload to the same place? [12:55] Hobbsee: yes please :) [12:55] last packages worked well [12:55] :) [12:55] uploading.... [12:58] wow, these files are nowhere near as big as last lot... [12:58] yes, koffie-doc seems to have a random number generator on its size [12:59] lol [12:59] there's something in dapper that makes it extra big [12:59] Riddell: the B-Ds for kdebase pose no problem it seems [12:59] so... well shouldnt be too bad [12:59] Mez: excellent excellent [01:00] if it hits a FTBFS now - then it's a major bug === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Creamier_Oak [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/542511 [01:19] Mez: do you have libkdecore.so.4? [01:21] lemme login [01:21] where should it be? [01:23] /usr/lib/ ? [01:24] /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 [01:24] ? [01:25] yes /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 [01:25] taking a while to login [01:25] big tar.gz [01:29] Riddell: no [01:29] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/542523 [01:30] I'm gonna have to recompile kdelibs again arent I [01:31] Mez: should be in kdelibs4c2 [01:31] root@lethargy:/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg -L kdelibs4c2 [01:31] /usr/share [01:31] /usr/share/doc [01:31] /usr/share/doc/kdelibs4c2 [01:31] /usr/share/doc/kdelibs4c2/copyright [01:31] /usr/share/doc/kdelibs4c2/changelog.Debian.gz [01:31] hmm [01:31] here;s a thought [01:31] the script fu [01:32] that's not good [01:32] does it still install to kdelibs4c2a dir ? [01:32] therefore making the kdelibs4c2 package empty [01:33] ah [01:33] kdelibs4c2a.install [01:33] there should also be a kdelibs4c2.install file [01:33] and debian/control should use kdelibs4c2 not kdelibs4c2a [01:33] nope [01:34] debian/control does [01:34] or it wouldnt have done that would it? [01:34] theres no kdelibs4c2.install though === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez apt-get source's again === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-141.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:37] Riddell, nope - definately no kdelibs4c2 package [01:37] .install * [01:40] Riddell, maybe the control file could fix that? [01:40] rules * [01:40] mv ; [01:42] Mez: damn [01:42] I'm sure I left that in [01:43] just a case of cp kdelibs4c2a.install kdelibs4c2.install [01:45] Mez: I'll upload a fixed one [01:47] Riddell: did you ever reply to my email? [01:48] jjesse: ug no, poke me tomorrow if I haven't done it by then [01:48] Riddell: ok, trying to get things done, first draft is due friday :) [01:48] crivvens [01:50] Riddell :D cool - you can set a precedent by uploading for a backports-only change [01:50] and then I can say - yeah see - Riddell did it - why dont you too [01:52] Mez: really? I've seen that done before [01:53] this is my first soyuz upload, wonder if it'll work [01:53] you've seen an upload before only to fix somethign for backporting? [01:55] yeah, siretat I think changed build-deps on some kde thing [01:56] Accepted kdelibs 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu3 groovy [01:57] ah lol [01:57] I didnt see that === Mez hasnt done soyuz upload yet === Mez does an upload === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell beds [02:13] night Riddell === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T_ [i=tm_travo@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:37] Riddell: my message to kubuntu-bugs@l.u.c was rejected [02:37] Riddell: do you think I have to mail to all members `manually' ? [02:38] raphink: i'd try pinging them on irc [02:38] raphink: why kubuntu-bugs? [02:38] Hobbsee: well if they all were there [02:38] raphink: e-mail kubuntu-devekl [02:38] Riddell: are we subscribed to it? [02:39] a lot of them seem to be... [02:39] I see only kubuntu-bugs on the LP team [02:42] raphink: kubuntu-devel the mailing list? [02:43] I'm subscribed to it [02:43] about 100 other people are [02:43] yes I saw that [02:43] just subscribed [02:43] I'm gonna send to it [02:46] there [02:46] sent :) === Riddell really beds [02:46] raphink: put in /topic too === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:raphink] : Flight 3 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Thu, Feb 16th 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- be there! [02:47] :) [02:47] hehe - dont bother Riddell [02:47] sleep's overrated :P [02:47] ohh meeting [02:48] :) [02:49] that would be around 4am in my place but hey :) [02:49] jsgotangco: most meetings are either around 12UTC or 20UTC [02:49] what meeting this time? [02:49] 12UTC isn't a problem [02:49] jjesse: how do you mean? [02:50] jsgotangco: it is on this day, since there's already a meeting ;) [02:50] 12UTC's fine here too, if you wanted to change it to there [02:50] is that the community council meeting you are talking about? [02:50] jjesse: no, Kubuntu meeting :) [02:50] oh, when is that? [02:50] jjesse: /topic [02:51] jjesse: is that fine for you? [02:51] should be [02:51] ok [02:51] :) === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:raphink] : Flight 3 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Thu, Feb 16th 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- be there! [02:53] cool [02:53] :) [02:54] hmmm i might be a bit late to the meeting, 5pm is when i head home from work so i'll join and eat dinner while i pay attention [02:54] ok [02:55] jjesse: which is ur timezone [02:55] Hobbsee: thanks for the world clock [02:55] eastern (-5 UTC) [02:55] raphink: no problems - was wondering if anyone would like it :D [02:55] freeflying: that will be very early for you I'm afraid [02:55] saves calculating it by hand [02:55] or very late [02:55] raphink: it's will be 4:00 AM [02:55] Hobbsee: well for me it's just +1 [02:55] hehe [02:55] freeflying: that's what I call very early [02:56] Hobbsee: and I'm thankfully I can still add +1 in my head [02:56] hehe! [02:56] raphink: sadly , I'll be on train that day [02:56] although it's too late to have me speak english properly it seems [02:56] freeflying: :( [02:56] oh ok, mine's +11 for the moment [02:57] +11 is harder for sure [02:57] you have to retain 24 most of the time [02:59] I'll attend the meeting of AsiaBusinessTour/Shanghai ,so shall I do something for kubuntu? [02:59] bring CDs, stickers, yourself, ... [02:59] talk about it :) [02:59] say only true things about it [02:59] but nice ones :) [03:00] freeflying: cool [03:00] hehe [03:00] freeflying: take some kubuntu CDs to give to Mark [03:00] I've CD [03:00] Riddell: ok [03:00] :) [03:00] how many times are you going to go to bed Riddell? [03:00] and to give to everyone else [03:00] jjesse: I'm about to make my third attempt === raphink gave out some 10 CDs at Solutions Linux in Paris last week [03:00] raphink: nice [03:01] only to people who had specific kubuntu questions :) === freeflying I've given out about 400 CDs now [03:01] we had 3 whole boxes of Ubuntu CDs and were left with almost none [03:01] 400 Kubuntu CDs ?? [03:01] raphink: y [03:01] oh nice [03:01] I didn't have that much to give out ;) [03:02] raphink: you should have said you were going to a show, I'd have sent you a box [03:02] sure Riddell, but I didn't know actually ;) [03:02] next time I'll tell you [03:02] :) [03:02] at least I had a few ones [03:02] and tonio and I were there [03:02] Riddell: shall prepare something else fot the coming meeting [03:02] to represent Kubuntu [03:02] Ubuntu was not officially there actually [03:02] Riddell, do you still have CDs? [03:03] only the ubuntu-fr associatoin [03:03] with mostly simple ubuntu users [03:03] freeflying, mark [03:03] freeflying, mark's a jolly guy [03:03] raphink: how was the KDE stand? [03:03] :) [03:03] so it was good that tonio and I were there from time to time [03:03] Riddell: quite nice [03:03] jsgotangco: yes, some, going fast though [03:03] Riddell: running mostly kubuntu, gentoo and slack [03:03] jsgotangco: really ? it's nice [03:03] freeflying: sure, send me a report of what's good/bad/happening if you want me to pass it onto the meeting [03:03] freeflying, i think he's in seoul right now, i had lunch with him last week [03:04] Riddell: seems most KDE devs are not very happy with kubuntu from what we heard :s [03:04] Riddell, can you send some over (a hundred would do if possible) [03:04] for some reasons [03:04] raphink: oh? what did they say? [03:04] Riddell: that we changed things in KDE that ought not to be changed [03:04] jsgotangco: you need a reason first [03:04] default settings [03:04] Riddell, sure i'll send an email [03:04] Riddell: sorry, you mean which meeting [03:05] any sane reason will do [03:05] Riddell: but the guy we talked with mostly was a slack guy [03:05] Riddell: so well doesn't count much ;) [03:05] freeflying: kubuntu meeting, see /topic === Hobbsee advises Riddell not to bother with sleep [03:05] chat instead :P [03:05] haha [03:06] Riddell: AsiaBusinessTour/Shanghai will be held at 2/15 ,but kubuntu-meeting is at 2/16 [03:06] oooh I'm just seeing that my subject in the email I sent is not that good [03:06] I should have slept before sending it [03:06] lol [03:07] freeflying: tell Mark etc about the issues you have with CJK and what's happening to fix them I guess [03:07] freeflying: couldn't you find a machine somewhere there? [03:07] right, bed. really [03:08] hehe [03:08] same here [03:08] bed bed bed [03:08] gn8 all [03:08] raphink: I'll bring a ibook with me there [03:08] Riddell: rubbish :P [03:08] grr [03:09] nah [03:09] freeflying, mark has great interest in having seamless cjk support you guys can really help on that [03:09] jsgotangco: y [03:14] because at the moment, there's big interest but little testing going on (lack of supporters) [03:18] jsgotangco: u've took part in last week's meeting [03:37] Riddell: do you have the theme of wiki.kubuntu.org === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] freeflying, yeah, it was fun === tulga [n=tulga@202.179.3.210] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:18] hi all. I cannot install GIF library in dapper 2. howto install it? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee prepares to file a bug for network settings in system settings [05:47] i wonder if this should go into kde bugs, or kubuntu bugs in malone... [05:48] Hobbsee: what happened with this package [05:48] it crashes as soon as you hit configure on wlan0 [05:49] freeflying: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8147 [05:49] Hobbsee: I have not wireless card on my desktop [05:50] i'd imagine most people dont [05:50] but getting the latest upgrades, after i pin ndiswrapper === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.50.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Limulus [n=Limulus@S01060013461b3521.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:55] Riddell, I just wanted to logon briefly to thank you for uploading the i386 kdeedu packages! :-) [05:56] They're installing as I type ^_^ === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee files her bug === tulga [n=tulga@202.179.3.210] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:47] hi all! I cannot upgrade kde 3 to 4. lt-genshortcutents: cannot connect to X server. howto fix it? [06:48] tulga: you try to upgrade to KDE4 ? [06:48] Tm_T: yep. lib compiled, now installing lib [06:48] well, quite useless unless you're devel [06:49] and I didn't manage to compile it [06:49] I following this guide http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE3To4 [06:49] and oh, there is no point at all to replace KDE 3.x with KDE5 [06:49] KDE4 I mean [06:50] http://edu.kde.org/development/port2kde4.php <- damn good howto [06:50] tulga: what you will do with KDE4 stuff? [06:51] interesting [06:54] Tm_T: "cannot connect to X server" mean kde-devel user haven't X access? [06:54] hum [06:54] might be [06:54] where I configure account's X access? [06:55] no idea === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:56] Hobbsee: ping [07:56] Tm_T: pong [07:56] no source package to Kopete? [07:57] we will need it soon [07:57] separate Kopete release incoming! :) [07:57] fun [07:57] ok, have to find another wayto do test package [07:57] i'm not sure if you'd have to stick it inside kdepim, or whatever it falls under [07:58] especially since it's after UVF [07:59] it's part of kdenetwork [07:59] ah, that's right [08:00] so, I did apt-get source kopete -> got kdenetwork [08:00] yep [08:02] ok, I have sources of new kopete alpha, tell me easy way to wrap up a package =) [08:03] taking sourcee package, merging new sources and then package it, can't do in this case as I just explained ;( [08:03] dont look at me! [08:03] uh oh [08:03] I don't, youjust happen to be in front of me ;) [08:05] hehe [08:05] uff, maybe I do this a hard way ;( [08:06] you'll have to ask Riddell or someone, when they wake up [08:06] nah, I read debians guide through [08:12] Tm_T: kopete is seperated from knetwork ? [08:14] freeflying: nope, just this 0.12 release is separate [08:14] freeflying: so much new stuff and we couldn't wait KDE4 ;) [08:14] Tm_T: when will this be released [08:15] it's seems hard for a UVF [08:15] freeflying: well, I'm holding first alpha sources in my hand, so possibly soon [08:15] kopete is frozen [08:15] Tm_T: where can I get the changelog [08:16] freeflying: you probably can't yet, unless mattr did something in last 6 hours [08:16] freeflying: I'll investigate, wait :) [08:17] hey, why does the version of ndiswrapper-utils in the repos seem to overwrite my supposedly newer version that i've just compiled? i thought that the one that i compiled would overwrite anything else === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:21] hmpf [08:23] freeflying: but in general, new chat style engine (xhtml+css instead of xlst) jabber voice + other jabber goodies, whole bunch of fixes here and there... [08:29] including my 8 (?) commits ;) [08:29] Tm_T: waiting for your package [08:29] Tm_T: :) [08:30] freeflying: oh, just I know how to do it ;) [08:30] +if === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-1-189.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:31] Tm_T: or you may package it for ourselves use only , :) [08:32] that's what it will be now [08:33] actually I don't even have permission to do package others but myself [08:33] yet [08:33] but looks like these sources are fine so waitin permission [08:36] hmh, looks like creating package is timeconsuming === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:15] bye all [09:32] freeflying: ok, slowly understanding how this works, but dependencies are small issue now [09:37] Riddell: you know who is Kopete debian maintainer ? [10:00] Tm_T: I thought kde apps were group maintained [10:00] prolly is [10:00] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kopete.html [10:01] at the bottom [10:02] ah, thanks [10:03] hum, I thought I did all ok, but no, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot doesn't give any deb packages === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@69.210.207.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@105.Red-83-34-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:44] Did my patch make it into the latest kdelibs? [10:46] hmm... Kubuntu meeting... [10:46] Where? [10:46] topic [10:46] That channel is dead silent right now. [10:47] hunger: It usual is unless there's a meeting... [10:47] jpatrick: Oh, I assumed you were trying to point me to some ongoing meeting:-) [10:48] oh right [10:48] :) [10:52] yep we discussed that yesterday, and riddel agreed on the fact that planning kubuntu mettings from time to time can be a good thing.... [10:52] true [10:52] Hello Tm_T [10:52] hullo [10:53] I do something wrong, I thought I did all ok http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide <- following this [10:53] actually riddell is developper, packager, revuer, manages the full kde desktop, and probably the onlykde guru engaged by canonical on the ubuntu project.... [10:53] but no, I don't get any deb packages ;( [10:53] there's also amu [10:53] so organizing the work to help him concentrating on the essential part of his work could be a good thing :) [10:54] Tm_T: what are you trying to package? [10:54] jpatrick: Kopete 0.12 alpha [10:54] jsgotangco: amu is working for canonical ? okay didn't knew ;) [10:54] Tm_T: tried using the debian/ dir from the repos? [10:54] oh no wait [10:54] jpatrick: no source package for kopete only [10:54] dunno why [10:55] :/ [10:55] that wouldd be too easy to me =) [10:55] should come from kde-network [10:55] or something like that [10:55] yes, but separate kopete release [10:56] Tm_T: is there somewhere you can put your package? [10:56] jpatrick: kopete sources you mean? [10:56] Tonio_: I just hope I can get to the meetings [10:57] Tm_T: your .diff.gz, etc [10:57] jpatrick: not sure to be here ? damn..... lots of work ? [10:57] jpatrick: ah, remember, this is "top secret", no permission to be public in any state from mattr yet ;) [10:57] jpatrick: in a second :p [10:57] I had the same problem, it took me month to become member because of that [10:57] Tonio_: school, etc [10:58] jpatrick: k [10:59] Tm_T: got an url for kopete's changelog ? [10:59] will probably make it to the coming one tho :) [11:00] Riddell did not add my no-gnome-startup patch to kdelibs yet:-( [11:00] Tonio_: nope, can't find any changelogs [11:00] hehe, my ubuntu cards just arrived ;) there nice, although [11:00] Tonio_: have to ask as soon as mattr is back online [11:01] Tm_T: okay.... I can't wait for msn sound support.... [11:01] hehe [11:01] Tonio_: Jabber voice support is, no msn equiv === jpatrick couldn't get his webcam to work [11:01] Tm_T: so many people refusing to even have a look at linux because of that bull...t msn [11:01] Tonio_: true [11:02] Tonio_: I always prefered Jabber [11:02] Tm_T: the problemis that, dunno for the rest of the world, but here in france, people don't say IM, but "msn".... [11:02] same here... [11:02] Tonio_: unfortunately there's no Kopete devel who has time and skills to do msn plugin rockin [11:02] I do prefer habber also, and now wengophone is on the way to, but well..... [11:03] Tonio_: rewiting msn plugin is started, so maybe we have light in Kopete 1.0 [11:03] it is not because something is better that people will use it.... otherwise, everything should be firewire based ;) [11:03] Tm_T: I can understand the main purpose of kopete's dev isn't to be full msn compatible, of course [11:04] aye, and people doesn't understand that they can use two protocols at the same time, "my friends use msn so I have to use it too, nothing else" ... [11:04] I hope google and a few companies will get jabber recognition for the lambda users [11:04] heh [11:05] anywa, there is no reason using 2 protocols for msn... do we use 2 proto for standard mail ? nope.... [11:05] =) [11:05] I meant, you can use msn AND jabber, not just one [11:05] POP3 and IMAP [11:05] people doesn't seem to understand it [11:05] jpatrick: nope, THE protocol for communication is just smtp [11:06] oh, yeah :) [11:06] pop is just a way to download mails, but not a communication standard for the mail world [11:07] you can replace pop by imap or webmail, or ftp if you like to read mail files ;) but smtp is the base [11:07] that shouldn't have become different for instant messenging, but protocols and formats have become a world war those 3 years [11:07] that's a pain, really [11:07] aye [11:08] imagin a world where you make a kind of fusion between mail and IM [11:08] im becoming an extention of standard mail, using a universal protocol, like jabber [11:08] oh well, I think jabber will rule the world soon, first video chat testings are coming [11:08] how easy it would be for the people..... everyone communicating with everyone.... [11:09] I can't imagin have to have a yahoo.com email address to send mails to yahoo users.... [11:09] iirc jingle has basis for video conference, all we need is codecs and ui [11:09] Tonio_: =) [11:09] Tm_T: codecs are already here.... h263, h264 [11:10] even xvid.... I don't understand why standard video encoding codecs cannot be used for videoconferencing === hunger waits for Riddell. [11:10] is there a technical reason I missed ? === jpatrick is listening to Radiohead [11:10] Tonio_: encoding takes too long. [11:10] Tonio_: oh, sure, only that they're not yet used by Kopete ;) [11:11] Tonio_: as I said,all we need is codec(s) and ui [11:11] dunno if there's something fundamental too [11:11] hunger, well with a 320x240 image and the power of actuall computers, with a 10 fps, that should be using that much resources, no ? [11:11] but iirc jingle is just frame to data stream [11:11] Tonio_: Streaming does not work well when it takes 3times as long to encode a image than it takes to display it. [11:12] hunger: right, as I was saying, there was certainly a reason, here is the answer ;) [11:12] Tonio_: A computer can do it (I think), but you can only earn money with videoconferencing if the HW needed is cheap enough. [11:13] hunger: correct [11:13] anyone know remaster livecd [11:13] wengophone look actually as the best coming solution for multiplatform videoconferencing I think.... although the SVN is an horrible mess... [11:13] freeflying: LiveCDCustomization? [11:14] jpatrick: y [11:14] I tried to package it, but I forgave.... [11:14] Tonio_: A cell phone won't get a pentium-whatever class CPU soon;-) [11:14] hunger: hehe, that's true indeed, I didn't thought about those aspects.... shame on me [11:15] but if you have big resources, look at what apple does with ichat [11:15] Tonio_: Ran a benchmark on a 200MHz ARM chip once: It was 90times slower then a 90MHz PentiumI chip! [11:15] jpatrick: Mithrandir: after remaster kubuntu's dapper livecd , kdm need be restarted manually, and then it can log into kdm [11:15] the quality, although it uses much more resources, is totaly incredible [11:16] hunger that much ????????? wow..... I though a 200 mhz arm could be compared to a pentium 100 at least.... [11:18] I may realease a personnal version of kubuntu-default-settings in about an hour to submit to Riddell .... anyone interested testing it ? [11:19] Tonio_: what are the changes? [11:19] jpatrick: [11:21] jpatrick: fixing dpi to 100 and setting wmaller fonts, kopete and konversation settings, integration of ksvg part the same we did for the others, adding a few more usefull .desktop files, providing a cool knotes color sheme (default is a really ungly), providing a standard and working profile for knemo (for eventually having it installed by default, plus many more little things [11:21] wow [11:21] replacing that crappy ungly hand in gwenview.... [11:22] Tonio_: Why fix the dpi?! [11:22] hello raphink [11:22] hi jpatrick [11:22] hunger: on many computers, especially laptops, that causes problems [11:22] jpatrick: applying for member in an hour and a half? [11:22] Tonio_: Why? [11:22] raphink: yes [11:22] :) [11:22] with the same setting than me, my girlfriend gets ridiculous small fonts, while I get big ones [11:22] Tonio_: My laptop got ~130dpi. Fonts are unreadable with 100dpi. [11:23] on my laptop, for example, font size is changing sometimes on reboot,.... [11:23] hunger, set to 100 with a good size might/should/could be okay [11:23] Tonio_: Of course Riddells kdm themes need some tweeking occasionally:-) [11:23] anyone help me [11:23] hunger: well, test my package and we'll see if that causes issues... [11:24] Tonio_: Then the font sizes are all wrong:-) [11:24] hunger: I didn't manage to change that actually, but yes, that could be interesting adding a new kdmtheme and eventually a new background image [11:24] Tonio_: They are given in a real world units... they get all screewed up with a wrong dpi setting! [11:25] hunger: maye wrong, but same everywhere..... I can't imagin that linux is actually the only OS that needs the knowledge of the screen specs to configure fonts....... [11:25] osx or windows don't have that problem === freeflying after remaster kubuntu's dapper livecd , kdm need be restarted manually, and then it can log into kdm [11:25] hunger: I searched the net, and generally, for every fonts problem, the answer is "set dpi to 100"... [11:26] that seems to resolv 90% of the problems [11:26] but as I'm unsure, that's the reason I'm searching for testers ;) [11:26] Tonio_: Yeap. They have less of that pixel-based measurement crap that still sticks around in X:-( [11:26] If only X wasn't so 70s... [11:27] Tonio_: Well, fixing the dpi fixes the symptom. [11:28] Tonio_: The cause is mixing a real world unit of measurement with on screen units. [11:28] hunger: exactly, but doing it by default may causes a few issues, that's why it needs testing... [11:28] Tonio_: ? [11:29] hunger: yes ? [11:29] Tonio_: You are changing the real world unit to match up with what most developers assume it to be in on-screen units. [11:29] Tonio_: Changing the real world to match the limited one in a computer is never a good idea:-) [11:30] hunger: when 30% of the computers I tested have problems with fonts.... [11:30] I think mandriva for example is forcing dpi by default.... maybe I'm wrong, but I've heard about something like that [11:30] Tonio_: Not with fonts! With everything else;-) [11:31] hunger I perfectly follow you on that point.... when it works well with the standards... [11:31] but browse the web with "linux problem fonts" [11:31] and anyway xorg has some bugs on that.... [11:32] Tonio_: but breaking the one thing that works properly to match the broken state of the rest of the system is wrong. [11:32] the autoconfiguration give me different sizes from time to time [11:32] hunger: but it can be a temporary solution waiting for something working better ;) [11:33] Tonio_: If you need to fix the dpi, then please fix it to the proper value and not some random one. [11:33] to me the important is that it works, not that "respects the standards defined 30 yes ago" [11:33] hum......... what new users say when he has a problem with fonts ? [11:33] will he search how to change that ? does he even know what dpi is ? [11:34] Tonio_: Font's don't. They are already on the way to the proper solution. It is the rest that is back in stoneage. [11:34] Tonio_: No, but you could get the dpi on first boot and use that as a fixed value. [11:35] the problem is that with the same distro, Riddell got complained that "fonts are horribly big", or "ridiculously small" [11:35] what to do in that case ? publishing a guide to set the font size ? [11:35] Tonio_: Yes, that is because the dpis were set incorrectly. [11:35] hunger, the problem isn't an exception [11:35] Tonio_: Using a wrong setting for everybody will not help. [11:36] to my experience, it happens on about 40% of the computers I tested [11:36] Tonio_: Sure it does. [11:36] hunger, that can be seen as "an average" [11:37] Tonio_: My point is that if 40% of monitors are used with the wrong dpi setting then randomly picking one and using that should not improve the situation. [11:37] the problem is : do we want kubuntu to be limited to graphists and system ingeneers that are able to configure fonts ? [11:38] hunger: I agree that the ideal thing would be to let the people configuring it correctly, but that only a beautifull dream......... [11:39] Tonio_: You can get the value from the HW somehow. [11:39] can you imagin answering to a new user that come from the MS world : "contact your vendor to get the specs, and then configure X server to feet your screen" ? [11:39] Tonio_: No, but that is not the point:-) [11:39] Tonio_: actually I believe that's how windows does it too [11:40] hi Riddell ! you mean fixing the dpi ? [11:40] Tonio_: Using 100dpi has one advantage: The fonts are properly scaled with respect to lines, boxes, etc. for most apps (since most developers seem to use 100dpi when designing stuff). [11:41] Tonio_: But it will not stop the fonts too big/too small issue at all. [11:41] I'm pretty sure MS does that, and that's the reason graphists have sometime pain to configure their monitor with precision === jpatrick [n=patrick@105.Red-83-34-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] hunger, I personnaly fix fonts everywhere, and that fixed the small font issue to me and all linux users I know.... [11:41] I doin't know what windows does by default but I believe there's an option to set the dpi with a ruler somewhere [11:42] Tonio_: It breaks things on my box. [11:42] hunger: have patience :) I only got my fast compiling machine back yesterday and have had a backlog of things to compile [11:42] 20 machines doesn't mean it works everywhere of course, but even if the mothod can be discussed, the result is, to me, good [11:42] Tonio_: Your friends got cheapo hardware then;-) [11:43] Tonio_: 100dpi is close to the resolution of cheapish monitors. [11:43] hunger yup, if they didn't they would have apple hardware, and no issues, of course ;) [11:43] but here is an evidence of the need to have kubuntu meetings ;) [11:43] Tonio_: You get the same issue with apple hardware (when running linux on it). [11:44] to me, the solution can be tested, and if it causes any issue, of course, removed before breezy is out.... [11:44] Riddell: you opinion on that point ? [11:44] Tonio_: I have fixed my resolution, too. But I need it fixed to ~130dpi. [11:44] s/you/your [11:45] Tonio_: Sure, do it. Just do not break my system;-) [11:45] hunger well, that is not good, I agree, but if you are representing 1% of the people having a very specific hardware configuration.... [11:45] the standard config has to feet with the masses [11:45] Tonio_: 100dpi is an OKish setting for people with lowres hardware... so go for it. [11:46] I prefer 1% of people having an issue because of a setting, than 40% of users having issues with the standard.... that's my opinion ;) [11:46] but if the test isn't good, let's forget that :) [11:46] Tonio_: Can you do set the dpi only if they are not yet overridden? [11:47] well, to set them back simply change the kdmrc [11:47] Tonio_: my opinion is to follow what gnome does since then we can just point the blame at ubuntu in general, and gnome now does the dpi from monitor thing [11:47] Tonio_: AAAARRRGGG! [11:47] the setting is set by a postinst script in kubuntu-default-setting === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:47] Why don't you do this properly by fixing it in xorg.conf?! [11:48] Tonio_: Then this works independent of which DM is used (and even with startx). [11:48] hunger: then that's an Ubuntu-wide change, not a kubuntu specific one [11:48] hunger because I don't want to impact ubuntu globally ;) [11:48] raphink: So what? GDM does the same thing anyway IIRC. [11:48] exactly [11:49] if GDM does the same thing, then let's bring it to TB so it can be done to the whole distro [11:49] ;) [11:49] Riddell: do you prefer me to remove that setting from the package so ? [11:49] raphink: So why not do it properly in ubuntu instead of messing in different places? [11:49] agreed hunger, but we have no power to do that ourselves imo [11:49] the only difference is that I never saw ubuntu users complaing about fonts..... [11:50] that sounds strange, but that seem to concern kubuntu users more [11:52] Hmm.. actually I can't find whether gdm fixes the dpi or not. [11:52] although I agree that's not logic at all [11:53] I even saw people saying that they where back to ubuntu because they had font size change regularly for kubuntu.... [11:55] raphink: pv [11:55] I answered you === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:58] Riddell: Could you please update kdm to use /usr/bin/X instead of the obsolete /usr/X11R6/bin/X? [11:59] hunger: where do I do that? [11:59] Riddell: gdm reduces the audit trail (-audit 0) of the server... We might want to add that, too. [11:59] ah, ServerCmd=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br [12:00] hunger: what does that do? [12:00] Riddell: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc. [12:00] Riddell: Look for ServerCmd= [12:01] hum, interesting :) [12:01] Riddell: I think we should use the same as gdm (/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0). [12:01] hunger: I'd be please to add another way to do it, if that's possible, don't get me wrong ;) [12:01] hunger: what is this audit thing? [12:02] Riddell: Sets the audit trail level(?). Let me google what that is:-=) [12:03] Riddell: Looks like -audit 0 stops the Xserver from producing output on stderr. [12:04] Riddell: -audit 1 is the default and reports rejected connection attempts. [12:04] Riddell: audit output is send to stderr (where nobody sees it anyway). [12:05] Tonio_: How were you going to set the 100dpi? [12:06] let me copy paste ;) [12:06] Tonio_: By adding -dpi 100 to the X server command? [12:06] bope [12:06] hunger: to serverargslocal [12:07] Riddell: What about -nolisten tcp? Debian uses that to stop the server from accepting connections from outside. [12:07] hunger: s/ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp/ServerArgsLocal=-dpi 100 -nolisten tcp/ [12:07] here is the way I do it [12:07] Oh, there it is;-) [12:07] yup [12:08] Tonio_: OK, do that. That setting is ignored anyway if the hardware can be read. [12:08] hum....... so it does the standard test, and forces only if there is a problem ? seems a good way to do so :) [12:09] I didn't knew the specifics, I'm not an expert in video setting... [12:09] It would be really nice if both kdm and gdm (and whatever other *dm ubuntu ships) would use one script to start X. Then you'd only need to add the options there instead of going through all those different config files. [12:09] Tonio_: Read the manpages :-) [12:10] hunger: true, but we can do it be ourselves.... [12:11] By the way: Why is kdm installed in /usr/bin? The other *dms are in /usr/sbin. [12:12] It is not really a app a user might end up running. [12:13] hunger: we will keep -nolisten tcp [12:14] Riddell: We definitly should. [12:14] Riddell: after remaster livecd , it need restart kdm ,and then can log into kde [12:14] freeflying_: what is the error before restarting kdm? [12:14] Riddell: I was suggesting to add it since I missed it in the config. [12:15] Community Council Meeting in 45 mins [12:15] Tonio_: Wouldn't it make sense to have -dpi 100 for all Xservers set up by kdm? [12:16] Riddell: I'm here [12:16] Tonio_: Then it should go into ServerCmd, not ServerArgsLocal... [12:17] Riddell: nothing give from kdm [12:18] Oh, LP is down again. [12:19] hunger: whern't you saying that was a crappy method ? [12:19] Tonio_: I am. === Tonio_ is lost... [12:19] Tonio_: But if you do it, then do it properly:-) [12:20] so isn't that better if the setting only applies when the hardware is dreadable ? [12:20] Tonio_: -dpi 100 is a setting for the local monitor. ServerArgsLocal get applied to local sessions only. [12:20] so you say, "if you are forcing it, do it like a barbarian, everywhere" ? ^_^ [12:20] okay, changing this so ;) [12:21] Tonio_: Yeap:-) [12:21] Tonio_: I gave up on the barbarian linux user crowd;-) [12:21] haha === hunger worked on fresco to fix all this mess in his student days. [12:35] [11:20] jpatrick: fixing dpi to 100 and ... [12:35] Tonio_: no, no, no. Why? [12:39] yay, my blog made distrowatch weekly :) [12:39] http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060206 === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] cool [12:43] allee: why fixing it ? [12:43] because letting xorg detect that causes issues on *many* machines [12:44] and that's only a testing proposal, to see what happens ;) I never said it was the untimate solution, and I agree the method is not clean... [12:44] Tonio_: wouldn't it be better to let xorg ask on install? [12:44] allee: well, when it works, yes, of course [12:44] but it causes problems on se many machines........ [12:45] I got so many complains for the font setting issue, and I know I'm not the only one...... [12:45] let worg ask on install ? [12:45] Tonio_: well, radeoan at least seems to not detect it :( [12:46] can you imagin a lambda user in front of the question : [12:46] "would you like to force the DPI and removes xorg ability to autoconfigure fonts" [12:46] But I prefer to set it in xorg.conf (the right place) than to hack kdmrc or whatever (the wrong place) [12:46] a standard user doesn't even know what is DPI.... [12:46] Tonio_: If it does not work hardcoding (should be done in xorg.conf === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] Tonio_: standard? [12:47] allee: agree too, but that would impact the whole ubuntu... and gnome doesn't seem to have issues on that point [12:47] allee: s/standard/newbie|lambda/ [12:48] Tonio_: oh, do they hardcode it? (Otherwise they must have problem too!) === allee wonders is no gnome on the world has a 133 dpi and 75 dpi monitor next to each other. [12:49] allee: I don't know exactly how gdn/gnome is set..... All I know is that I very rarely saw ubutu users complaning about fonts, while it is the n1 problem reported with kubuntu === allee assume gnome assume that M$ braindead behaviour is the right one, sigh :( [12:49] MS is forcing the dpi, according to what I know.... [12:50] not good for graphists, but better for the masses apparently.... I never heard about a font issue with Windows [12:50] Tonio_: yeah. MS seam to use pixel for font size instead of point [12:50] allee: which gives good result I must say [12:51] Tonio_: no. lot's of people 'complain' about tiny fonts [12:51] and icons [12:51] font settings are generally really clean on Windows machines [12:51] + on M$. === bobuse [n=dumoulin@195.221.117.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] they find them too small ? [12:51] Tonio_: your are joking, right? :) [12:52] Tonio_: Almost all 'big' Dell laptop here have DPI 125 ... 133 [12:52] nope, I'm not fine with windows on many points, but according to the font rendering, I like it [12:52] Tonio_: and lot of people touch the screen with the nose === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:52] hello bobuse [12:53] hi Ridell ! hi all ! [12:53] hullo bobuse === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A635FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:54] Tonio_: You ever used a 133dpi monitor with windows? Even ct, german computer magazin, notes the fact there fonts/icons are hardly readable in their tests [12:54] allee: yep [12:55] I had to change the font size [12:55] that's true, but that concerns a very little percentage of machines [12:55] the xorg way to proceed, is the best in theory [12:56] but the result is 40% people complaining with kubuntu... theory isn't as important than the fact to me.... [12:56] maybe 1 or 2% people would get an issue with dpi forced to 100 [12:56] Tonio_: IMHO, if it this gets hardcoded then in xorg.conf. If gnome hardcodes in somewhere else it will override it [12:56] but 1% is better than 40 ans I don't know any way to get 0%... [12:57] Tonio_: the cheap laptops have < 100 dpi. I'm not sure your % estimates are right [12:57] they have about 90 to 100 [12:57] Tonio_: but would also say that 100 dpi may be a good compromise (but then in xorg.conf ;) [12:57] but dpi set to 100 gives something correct on them [12:57] although it is not optimised, that's true [12:58] and concerning the hardcoding, that has to be discussed, that's the reason we want to make kubuntu meetings :) [12:58] I personnaly prefer to have a setting that doesn't touch the canonical work... but as I say, that can be discussed [12:59] Tonio_: do you have time tonight, to help me pester daniel? [12:59] the problem is that I don't know where or even if gnome does overwrite it.... [12:59] of course [12:59] allee: on that problem ? to know how they are doing ? [01:00] Tonio_: no. Quite some time ago I heard they use a fixed dpi. No idea about the current status. [01:01] allee: okay, I'll be there ;) [01:01] Tonio_: but it's a xorg problem and so gnome must have the same problem if they don't use a better hardcoded dpi === hunger_ is now known as hunger [01:01] Tonio_: thx. back to work ... I'll ping you tonight [01:01] I don't say they don't have it, I'm saying I very rarely saw ubuntu users complaining, while kubuntu users do most of the time.... [01:01] allee: good work ;) [01:02] allee: I agree with you that all ubuntus should use the same setting for X. [01:02] hunger: agree too [01:03] hunger: and even the right one (IMHO). IMHO that's even worth a question during install (but I assume not many agree with me here) [01:04] allee: Going with 100dpi at least gives fonts that match up with the rest of the gui. [01:04] allee: I am running at 130dpi and usually have to fix up Riddell's kdm themes to work properly with that:-) [01:05] allee: hum..... if the average people had a minimum knowledge, I would be okay... but that's not the facts... people are in front of a computer like me in an airbus A380 cockpit ^_^ [01:05] Tonio_: People are no idiots... They can answer questions like how wide and how high is your screen (in cm/in whatever). === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:06] hello Hobbsee [01:06] I've a a 90 dpi, 104, 125 dpi next to me and all fonts have excatly the same physikal size (yeah). Setting then to 100 dpi would be ;) [01:06] hi jpatrick [01:06] Hobbsee: did you finish building KOffice? :) [01:06] hunger: hum... do you know that 45% windows computers in the world don't have any antivirus installed [01:07] hunger: and that 65% people claim they wouldn't be able to install one ? [01:07] Tonio_: What does that have to do with that? [01:07] Tonio_: because they are not installed/asked by the default installation ;) [01:07] maybe yes.... [01:07] Tonio_: That is some absolutly virtual activity. Of course most people can't do that. [01:07] jpatrick: she did, it's uploading now [01:08] if there was a good and efficient script during installation, why not.... [01:08] Tonio_: Grabbing a ruler is *NOT*. [01:08] Riddell: oh cool, now I can do my project [01:08] but what to do with inches, cm, etc ?? [01:08] Tonio_: I guess my grandma could do that... but don't ask her to partition her HDD to install ubuntu. [01:09] Riddell: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=29331 & http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=29426 now GPL [01:09] hunger: as I say, with an explicit config script during installation, yes, that probably can be done [01:09] Tonio_: Turn the measured size into inches and devide by the screen resolution => dpi [01:09] Riddell: I have to go to lunch, can you tell them I'll be delayed? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-116-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] brb [01:09] awooga (although we still need that main inclusion review) [01:09] jpatrick: ok [01:09] 10 mins [01:09] Tonio_, hunger: let's try to get fixed in xorg or add an question during install or hardcode 100 dpi. It's xorg business. If we fail we still could hardcode it :( [01:10] evening Riddell [01:10] afternoon Hobbsee === hunger agrees with allee. [01:10] afternoon? wow [01:10] hunger: don't expect a french can give the size in inches... ;) [01:11] Tonio_: We should do use proper units anyway;-) [01:11] but well, that could be possible during install with an excplicit script, I agree [01:11] Tonio_: luckily, Language, region of the use is asked first ;) [01:12] allee: yup [01:12] s/use/user/ [01:14] Tonio_, hunger: We detected that your monitor is \n\t xx \nwide and\n\n yy height.\n Please correct the values if the detected values are wrong. [01:15] sound easy to understand. (With correct detected screen dimension or could also only ask for width) [01:16] ah, work. c'u later [01:21] community council in #ubuntu-meeting by the way === Riddell hopes jpatrick gets back soon [01:23] Riddell: oh goody - something that will put off doing my university timetable [01:25] Riddell: I'm here [01:26] jpatrick: woo [01:27] was forced to do a jiggsaw on the way back [01:28] hmm [01:30] jpatrick: ooh, looks like it building! [01:30] Tm_T: cool [01:30] allee: won't width-only cause trouble with widescreen? [01:31] jpatrick: prolly prefix is wrong, but I'll fix that later version [01:31] s [01:31] may i set the kde font for all users [01:32] freeflying: you wanted test kopete 0.12 alpha? [01:32] Tm_T: sure [01:32] freeflying: ok, I'll inform when I have something to share ;) [01:32] Riddell: how can I configure the font in kde for all users [01:33] freeflying: edit /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals [01:41] kiosktool ++ :-) [01:44] jpatrick: woo! now we still need to wait for sabdfl or mako to ack though [01:44] Riddell: cool :) [01:44] thanks for helping guys [01:45] Riddell: I'm sure one of them will [01:45] jpatrick: Congratulations! [01:45] actually why isnt mako there? [01:45] Mez: too early in the morning I guess [01:45] he's on AIM [01:45] Mez: msg him then :) [01:46] am doing so [01:46] excellent [01:48] Anyone seen daniels recently? [01:48] saw him last week in london actually [01:48] he's moving to finland === hunger had assigned some bugs to him a couple of weeks back. [01:49] he no longer works for canonical though, don't know how much development he'll do [01:49] Oh, good. Haven't seen him around recently, wondering whether he left ubuntu (and my bugreports) for greener pastures, [01:49] Hmm... So whom should I assign his bugs to? [01:49] well, more snowy pastures [01:50] x-swat-team [01:50] any italian here? [01:50] ok, anyway, something fun and not-so-fun: http://people.cc.jyu.fi/~juhtolv/stuff/italian/caro_italiano.jpg [01:50] and yes, there's reason why most finnish irc users doesn't like italians or polish === Riddell doesn't get it === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee doesnt get it either === jpatrick neither [01:53] Riddell: well, most finnish irc users see italian or polish ircers only when they come flood, spam, or msg them [01:53] or, they conquer channel [01:53] overtake I mean [01:53] I've never had any problems from italian IRC users [01:54] Riddell: me neither but some spammers [01:54] with *.it host [01:54] Riddell: wasn't there one that kept going "boaf" in #kubuntu? [01:55] I think that one was french... [01:55] heh [01:56] well, in my experience, banning *.it host is good way to prevent spam in IRCnet [01:57] I'm not saying all italian/polish ircers are bad, but most of them who end up to finnish channels [01:57] good ones doesn't care to come I think :p [01:58] tea and homebaked bread, yummy -> [01:58] hehe [01:59] how's the package coming along? [02:00] I wouldn't get any mails to my private address if I'd stop updating my bugreports in launchpad:-) [02:08] Riddell: any confirmation yet on akademy? === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F58AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] sealne: sigh, no, the board is yet to phone the Irish dudes to actually confirm [02:11] they haven't even asked yet? ffs [02:11] jpatrick: "dpkg-deb: building package `kopete' in `../kopete_0.12-alpha1-1_i386.deb'." [02:12] looks like it's done [02:12] exellent excellent :) [02:12] thanks [02:13] now I'mjust waiting permission to share it =) [02:13] prolly needs tweaking and rebuild though [02:15] Riddell: could a possible agenda point for Kubuntu meeting be KDE SVN snapshot packages? [02:16] sure === jpatrick adds === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bobuse [n=dumoulin@195.221.117.38] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [02:35] jpatrick: ok, now I'm rebuilding with jingle voice support [02:35] or trying to =) [02:35] yup, now configured with voice === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] aaand Kopete 0.12 alpha 1 installed :) [03:07] terrific [03:07] indeed [03:08] only one issue, doesn't return correct version number (haven't changed in sources yet) === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] cool a new kopete is coming out :) [03:22] JRe: I think Tm_T just packaged it [03:22] jpatrick: yeah I saw :) [03:22] yu [03:23] Tm_T: if you need a tester I am here :) [03:23] only alpha, so keep your pants up ;) [03:23] JRe: immediately I get permission ;) [03:24] hunger: kdelibs patch works great, I'll upload it to kubuntu and forward to kde-core-devel [03:25] hum Riddell sorry for bugging you with this, but when you have a second to have a look at "keep" on revu :) I think JRe would kill me if I don't ping anyone to get it in dapper ^^ [03:26] Tonio_: I think Riddell already did it but complained that there were no error messages in Keep and so I am currently implementing it [03:26] Tonio_: and a 0.3.0 with notifications is coming out :) [03:27] Tonio_: tough it's not ready now but could be released at the end of the day =) [03:27] hum, I thought it was already in.... as Riddell talked about "next upstream release" :) [03:27] and I didn't test latest version (while I should, shame on me) [03:27] Tonio_: :) [03:28] okay so JRe tell me when it's done, and I'll package and ping the entire world for revuing ;) [03:28] Tonio_: ok :) === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D1C06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:48] Tonio_ only just subscribed to kubuntu-devel too? [03:48] how come our best developers don't know about our mailing list? [03:50] Riddell: my livecd still need restart kdm before I can log into kde [03:51] freeflying: so kdm starts, you put in a password and it rejects the password until kdm is restarted? [03:52] Riddell: it need not input username and passwd [03:52] yup Riddell ......... sorry ;) [03:52] Riddell: after splash , it will stop [03:52] Riddell: but after I restart kdm , it will auto login kdm [03:52] I'm not a biug ML user, so I didn't checked until raphink took me like a baby to subscribe [03:53] Riddell: any possibility to imagin moodin in dapper ? [03:53] if not I may take that : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426 [03:53] and make a non moodin version [03:54] this theme is simply fabulous ! [03:54] freeflying: sounds like it's not a kdm problem but something else that is blocking it [03:54] Tonio_: moodin is waiting for main inclusion review [03:55] Riddell: Looks nice... but could use some more space between the lines! [03:55] Riddell: there's no link to this list anywhere, and we spend more time on IRC than on MLs because it's faster to work [03:55] Riddell: good, and according to you, will it be there for dapper ? It is to know how what to add in kubuntu-default-settings eventually.... [03:55] Riddell: when I want to fix something, I don't want to wait for answers for hours or days ;) [03:55] so I don't use MLs much [03:56] I'm working on it activelly, so maybe I can have a look at the kdm part also [03:56] Riddell: will skim merge from debian if there will have new upstream release [03:56] Tonio_: yes, I certainly hope it'll be in dapper, it's been waiting review for ages [03:56] freeflying: we'll marge after dapper probably [03:57] Riddell: so let's includethe moodin theme in kubuntu-default-settings no ? [03:57] Tonio_: yeah, can do [03:58] Tonio_: but I won't upload that yet, no point until moodin gets into main [03:58] Riddell: of course [03:59] Riddell: it's seems that the maintainer in debain won't like collaborate on skim [04:02] freeflying: did he say something to you? [04:02] Riddell: and about knemo, I added a standard config file in KDS package, and that works like a charm, no config required after that [04:03] so it's up to you to decide if you want it installed by default or not... the config file can eventually stay in the settings, for users who manually install it [04:04] Riddell: he didn't say anthing about skim to me after skim been uploaded to univers, so it's difficult to me to work on it [04:06] Riddell: while we are on default settings, many people keep a dual boot with windows and kubuntu, and get a B&W grub screen at boot. What would you think of using kubuntu-grubsplashimages ? [04:06] kubuntu-grub-splashimages? [04:06] raphink: do what with it? [04:07] freeflying: well after dapper we'll look and see if we want to keep using the current version we have or if we want to sync with debian [04:07] put it by default so it's not B&W by default [04:07] Riddell: just a thought, maybe it needs to be tested more [04:07] Tonio_: knemo, cool [04:08] raphink: oh, you want kubuntu-grub-splashimages in main and part of the kubuntu CD? [04:08] Riddell: what would you think? [04:08] not for dapper [04:08] ok [04:08] maybe after dapper we can put it in and see what breaks [04:08] yep [04:09] so dapper will still have a default B&W boot screen ;) [04:09] Riddell: I added enought cards to feet with geek needs.... eth0, eth1, eth2, wlan0, wlan1, ra0 and ra1 are managed automatically... there shouldn't be much people out of that configuration [04:09] raphink: Not on my system;-) [04:09] I think during dapper I can try to advertise the package to people and have them try it [04:09] raphink: Not even breezy had that;-) [04:09] hunger: not on mine either, I use the packages I make ;) [04:09] raphink: I just drop an image into grub. [04:09] hunger: did you try kubuntu-grubsplashimages? [04:10] raphink: No need to waste time packaging stuff for that. [04:10] hunger: that's because you're an advanced user. I don't excpect my mom to do it [04:10] hunger: of course there is a need. We're not developping gentoo here, we're developping kubuntu!: [04:10] raphink: No. I use my own image (which happens to be a downscaled version of my normal background image. [04:11] I don't expect kubuntu users to know how to install grub splash images manually [04:11] and I don't want them to use grubconf or so [04:11] raphink: grubconf? vi is the tool;-) [04:11] hunger: not sure you're developping for the right distro ;) [04:12] it's great to use vi, emacs, pico and all [04:12] hunger: kubuntu is designed for home use, not geek only use.... [04:12] but not for users [04:12] raphink: I am not developing here. [04:12] if I want a feature to be in kubuntu (not only on MY box, but available for all boxes) I HAVE to package it [04:12] and a home user doesn't know vi, and doesn't even have the idea that the bootmanager can be configured.... [04:12] raphink: I am only using kubuntu. [04:12] hunger: that explains [04:13] raphink: want to advocate kblogger once more? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1675 [04:13] hunger: this channel is #kubuntu-devel, when I say I've made a package for grub splashimages [04:13] that doesn't mean I've done it for myself [04:13] raphink: or just tell me it's fine to upload [04:13] Riddell: sure [04:13] raphink: using it and sending patches whenever I have the time to do so (and something gets on my nerves). [04:14] raphink: Hey, I was just pulling your leg. I never assumed you made debs for your own use. [04:14] Riddell: I want to run revu-report on it again, since many build-deps were removed [04:14] ;) [04:15] raphink: where does revu-report happen? [04:15] Riddell: in REVU ;) [04:15] I'll show you Riddell [04:16] Riddell: this is a tool I've developped in the last 3 days, that does most the automated things I want to run in console on a package in REVU [04:17] Riddell: [04:17] Running revu-orig on the upstream tarball 29552-kblogger-0.4.1.tar.bz2 [04:17] Generating md5 report in tarballs.md5 [04:18] Extracting tar.bz2 upstream archive 29552-kblogger-0.4.1.tar.bz2 to extracted_tarballs/ ... [04:18] Extracting tar.gz orig archive to extracted_tarballs/ ... [04:18] Generating diff report in upstream_orig.diff [04:18] Running revu-build on the dsc file kblogger_0.4.1-0ubuntu1.dsc [04:18] W: /home/raphink/.pbuilderrc does not exist [04:18] -> Logging to kblogger_0.4.1-0ubuntu1.buildlog [04:18] that's the thing is does [04:18] and more [04:19] raphink: will the output appear on revu? [04:19] Riddell: yep === Riddell waits for appearance [04:19] look at the REVU_report file in the file list [04:19] it's building right now Riddell [04:20] Riddell: done [04:20] check the list [04:21] Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kblogger-0602061835/REVU_report [04:21] raphink: where does it get the upstream tar from? [04:21] Riddell: either debian/watch if available (since yesterday's version) [04:21] or I get it manually with wget if there's no dbian/watch [04:21] all very clever [04:21] Riddell: I've been working on this set of tools for 3 days non stop lately ;) [04:22] one version per day :) [04:22] and packaged it as deb yesterday evening [04:22] REVU-independent now [04:22] so you can run it on your own machine :) [04:25] so anyway, can I upload kblogger? [04:25] Riddell: wait a min [04:26] looks good to me Riddell [04:26] :) [04:26] up it goes :) [04:26] yay [04:27] Riddell: how do you like REVU-tools ? [04:27] REVU_report might have seemed a bit empty Riddell, but it can be fuller if errors happen, such as FTBFS, Debian native or so [04:27] they just don't appear if all is ok :) [04:28] all seems very clever as I say, should be useful [04:30] :) [04:30] hope it can be === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] raphink: nice script :) [04:45] jpatrick: thanks [04:46] jpatrick: you can get the deb on http://revu.tauware.de/~raphink/debs if you want to test it === jpatrick fixes kalzium-simulations [04:46] are those for Dapper? [04:47] jpatrick: REVU is running in breezy [04:47] but the package is made in dapper [04:47] it's distro independant [04:47] should work fine in sarge, too [04:47] ok [04:48] it just requires pbuilder, lintian and linda [04:48] hmm and devscripts [04:49] jpatrick: so nothing that is not in hoary, breezy, sarge, etch or dapper [04:49] or sid [04:49] ;) [04:49] great :) [04:49] you can try it [04:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU/REVU-Tools there's an explanation on how to set it [04:52] only REVU admins.... [04:52] jpatrick: look down [04:52] end of the page [04:52] ;) [04:52] ah right [04:52] ;) === mornfall_ [n=mornfall@r31s01p04.home.nbox.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:56] jpatrick: feel free to use it and report bugs [04:56] jpatrick: I hvaen't added dpkg-source -x to it yet (I forgot about it since it's automatic on REVU) [04:56] it's a matter of 3 lintes of code but needs to be run manually so far [04:57] s/lintes/lines/ [04:58] mornfall_: is it ok to start adept-notifier by default? [05:00] ** I need breezy users to test the new koffice [05:02] there might be people in !kubuntu.fi, I'll ask === mornfall [n=mornfall@r31s01p04.home.nbox.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:12] Riddell: would u mind review this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1677 === jpatrick [n=patrick@105.Red-83-34-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:13] raphink: sorry, I pushed the power off button [05:13] freeflying: what's the change? [05:14] Riddell: remove the dependency on im-switch [05:16] Riddell: wait , i'd correct the name [05:19] kdelibs_3.5.1-0ubuntu4_source.changes ACCEPTED INTO ubuntu/dapper that's new [05:21] :| [05:22] Riddell: i'd say so, yes [05:22] Riddell: just need to find a way to turn that off sensibly :) [05:23] Riddell: if you tell me how to, i'll add an item to menu doing that [05:23] mornfall: to which menu? [05:23] Riddell: context menu of the notifier [05:24] what do you need to know from me? [05:24] Riddell: how you want to make it start up by default :) [05:24] so i know how to turn it off from the app [05:24] mornfall: probably best thing is to put a file in /usr/share/autostart [05:25] which includes a condition based on a suitable rc file [05:25] Riddell: maybe make a wrapper that tests some flag somewhere? [05:25] aha [05:25] jpatrick: if you missed it [05:25] [16:56] jpatrick: feel free to use it and report bugs [05:25] [16:56] jpatrick: I hvaen't added dpkg-source -x to it yet (I forgot about it since it's automatic on REVU) [05:25] [16:57] it's a matter of 3 lintes of code but needs to be run manually so far [05:25] [16:57] s/lintes/lines/ [05:25] I've got it here now :) [05:25] freeflying: there's no change in dependencies in that package [05:25] freeflying: also the version should be -1ubuntu1 not -2, and changelog should hvae dapper not unstable [05:28] Riddell: I forgot to remove it from control :( [05:30] Riddell, raphink : uploading new kalzium-simulations to REVU === jpatrick tries out revu-tools [05:30] wait I'll be back later [05:31] hey, what is khubd [05:32] Tm_T: how about kopete now ? [05:32] freeflying: no permission yet, "boss" is at work [05:32] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [05:32] 1511 root 20 -5 0 0 0 R 88.0 0.0 97:25.58 khubd === freeflying night all , I'd go to bed now . scim-anthy is uploading to REVU [05:32] freeflying gn8 [05:32] freeflying: good night, sleep tight [05:32] not too tight [05:32] hehe [05:34] ok, that khubd has something to do with new kopete alpha [05:35] Tm_T: ha [05:35] no idea what it is [05:35] looks like it was runned when I plugged webcam in [05:35] and messed it [05:36] khubd, isn't that kernel hub daemon? :) [05:36] no idea [05:36] usb thingy [05:36] is your webcam usb? [05:36] yes [05:36] Riddell: what version of koffice? [05:37] Tm_T: 1.4.90-0ubuntu0breezy2 [05:37] so 1.5 beta? [05:37] yes [05:37] aye, ty [05:38] Riddell: is there a run-time library kalzium-simulations should depend on? [05:38] Riddell: ok, looks like I found one tester ;) [05:38] jpatrick: don't believe so [05:39] Tm_T: cool, same koffice repository as before [05:39] ok, I also directed him to come here,so he can tell his experiences [05:40] I'll dep on libqt4-core and libqt4-gui then.. [05:40] Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice15beta1/ ? [05:40] yes === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:41] hello nlindblad [05:41] Riddell: thanks [05:41] hi mate [05:42] hullo [05:42] ok, now short ET session -> [05:43] ... ? === robotgeek [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:49] hi, this may be a noob question, but does someone know off the bat if there is something similiar to 'gnome-menus-C.ent' for kde, containing the references for kde menu entries? [05:49] robotgeek: what sort of menu entries? [05:50] Riddell: in the ubuntu-docs package, it contains menu entries in a xml file /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/menus/C [05:52] if we're talking about help centre menu entries... [05:53] yeah, for the help centre menus [05:53] sorry [05:53] they're in /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/ [05:53] i've gotten 3 more people to work on it with me now, so we should finish off real quick [05:54] ooh, wow [05:54] Riddell: err, no. not the desktop files. [05:54] Riddell: do you have ubuntu-docs/ the svn of the doc team repo? [05:54] yes [05:55] Mez: any word? [05:55] okay, i will assume the svn repo. /ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/menus/C [05:57] robotgeek: those define entities that can be included? [05:58] Riddell: yes, it "prints out" and formats the path to launch it. [05:59] well I don't think kde can do exactly that but you can define entities [05:59] So, if i have a &konsole reference, it will say K-menu -> Utilities -> Konsole [06:00] Riddell: that i guess will be handled by the xslt, the conversion [06:00] kubuntu/libs/kde.ent seems to for example [06:02] yeah, i don't mind creating something like that for the applications i am referencing [06:03] Riddell: koffice is being kept back [06:04] everything else is downloadomg [06:04] Riddell: thanks for your help, i think i will generate those menu entries for kde [06:04] jpatrick: are you doing an apt-get upgrade? [06:04] dist-upgrade [06:05] hmm, wonder why it's being kept back then [06:05] jpatrick: breezy? [06:05] yes [06:05] jpatrick: can you do a direct apt-get install koffice when your current download is done [06:05] yep :) [06:07] Riddell: just noticed on 3.5.1 with breezy konq seems to miss file search and open konsole here. [06:08] LeeJunFan: file search? [06:08] Riddell: normally under tools menu with konqueror. === robotgeek is now known as robotgeek_work [06:24] sebas, Sime: on #kde-devel < Niedakh> is it possible to write konqueror plugins using pykde? [06:27] Riddell: oh dear: koffice: Depends: kexi (>= 1:1.4.90-0ubuntu0breezy2) but 0.9final-0ubuntu5 [06:27] is to be installed [06:29] blurg [06:29] oh well, I don't care they're beta packages [06:30] but those dead annoying red and blue lines are gone!! [06:30] jpatrick: phew, that's the main issue [06:32] anyone know how I can fix "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtGui_debug" [06:33] jpatrick: do you have that library installed? [06:33] `libqt4-debug` is installed [06:33] and does it include libQtGui_debug? [06:34] don't know about that :( [06:34] `ls` is your friend [06:41] found it - now which package is it in - /me goes to packages.ubuntu.com [06:42] dpkg -S is your other friend [06:42] packages.ubuntu.com won't know for dapper [06:43] and I'm not on Dapper [06:43] ah [06:43] it's in libqt4-debug in Breezy [06:52] Riddell: how much do we want pinning? [06:54] mornfall: I've never used pinning so I can't say I have much need of it [06:55] who actually requested that to be part of dapper goals? [06:55] because thinking of it i can imagine more useful things to do :) [06:56] umm, I think you did :) [06:56] surely not me? [06:56] maybe some user request [06:56] maybe [06:56] :) [07:01] shouldn't dapper generate pot file automatically? [07:01] teprrr: depends on the package [07:02] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1644 -- talking about raphink's comment there === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:04] so hmm, how does it depend on the package, Riddell? [07:05] if the admin/ directory is sufficiently up to date [07:05] and if the package uses cdbs [07:05] it will [07:05] but you probably also need to patch admin/cvs.sh for $kdepotpath [07:06] okay [07:18] teprrr: fwiw: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kboggle/trunk/debian/?rev=0&sc=0 [07:23] allee, ah. [07:24] so hmm, what should I do? :) [07:25] teprrr: don't know. I have not compared, so if there's something worth to merge/replace === Mez|Work [n=mullen@80.249.48.46] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:30] Riddell, I prob wont be able to make that meeting [07:30] I'll let you know on monday [07:33] Mez|Work: ok [07:33] let me know if there's anything you'd like brought up [07:34] is there an agenda ? [07:34] (and prob nothing other than backporting KDE releases) [07:34] Mez: see topic [07:35] agenda is whatever we feel like === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:36] how about konquer the world? === robotgeek_work is now known as robotgeek [07:46] Tm_T: sounds hard [07:47] Riddell: could I add ksplash-engine-moodin inclusion to agenda? :) [07:49] jpatrick: so? we have new Kopete as our weapon ;) [08:18] jpatrick: if there's something to discuss [08:19] getting it into main [08:19] and the artwork === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D1C06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:33] Sime: Ping. [08:33] hi [08:33] Hi [08:33] I'm hacking on mountconfig, but things seem a little strange in MicroHAL [08:34] My DVDROM is seen as RemovableDisk (CDrom Icon), but it has major number 3. [08:34] So from my interpretation of MicroHAL, it should actually be interpreted as being an IDE harddisk. [08:36] fhandle = open(os.path.join("/sys/block",blockdevice,"removable")) [08:36] it checks for removable devices. [08:36] Ah. [08:36] Ok, I see. [08:37] So the problem is that my DVD burner has Major number 3, and thus becomes Removable disk. [08:37] If it was a "real" burner (as according to MicroHAL), it should have another major. [08:37] Or what is "Packet writing for CD/DVD devices" actually? [08:38] We need to have a better check there "can burn" or something. [08:39] probably some exotic device that burns. [08:40] most devices just look like generic IDE harddisks. [08:40] Then 2/3 of my burners are exotic :> [08:40] oh [08:41] This one's a DVD burner 3:0, I've a DVD/CDRW combo (ide-scsi obviously), 11:0, and a Lite-On CD Burner, 3:64 (simple IDE) [08:41] Maybe major/minor are different if !ide-scsi? :? === sebas 's a little puzzled. [08:42] what does real HAL have to say? [08:42] lshal [08:42] Didn't check yet. [08:42] Last time I checked, the python dbus/hal was quite unstable. === sebas checks. [08:43] either way, we don't have time to try it out. [08:43] dapper+1 [08:43] No, but good to have it confirmed as "not my stupid mind" :-) [08:44] "real" HAL got it somewhat right. [08:44] cdrecorder it is. [08:45] I've added HAL to mountconfig's TODO. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:56] Sime: More fun. [08:56] In my fstab, the DVD has udf,iso9669 as filesystem. [08:56] mountconfig can't parse this entry, and leaves it as "not in mountconfig". [08:58] I'll see if there's a workaround (I could maybe set it to "auto", although that's quite rude IMO. === robotgeek is now known as robotgeek_away [09:03] how can you have 2? [09:04] That's what the installer made of it. [09:04] It works ok though. [09:07] It's marginally documented in mount(8) [09:07] At the end of the documentation of the -t flag. [09:11] :-/ doesn't really explain what it does. [09:12] Yeah, well, I'll add a check if all filesystems listed are supported and change it to auto, ACK> [09:12] ? [09:13] dunno [09:14] It seems to try those two, instead of trying every possible fs. [09:25] jpatrick: ok! [09:26] Tm_T: what? [09:26] just wait, I'm uploading kopete deb to my website [09:27] JRe: you wanted too? [09:28] Sime: Can I commit something that sets it to auto, until we have a better solution? [09:30] I'm catching exactly that problem now, but I did not do the supported fs checking, we don't have a reference to MicroHAL there (could add that though, but it doesn't make the code really nicer). [09:32] dapper package with experimental jingle voice, testing purpose only (will build polished package tomorrow) http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/temp/kopete_0.12-alpha1-1_i386.deb [09:33] if you get it installed, test msn webcam and jabber voice ;) === seth_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] why, hello again seth :) [09:38] hey hey jpatrick [09:38] can you make it to the meeting? [09:38] seth: Kubuntu? [09:38] yessir [09:39] I have something I want to do on the agenda [09:40] seth: and I made it to the CC one today [09:40] so jpatrick is now 2/3rds of a member :) [09:41] haha [09:41] Riddell: I have a kcontrol-kdmtheme that just works!! [09:41] no lintain errors etc [09:42] Riddell: what am I waiting for now then? [09:42] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1683 [09:42] jpatrick: umm, no idea [09:43] jpatrick: oh, membership, you're waiting for mark or mako to ack [09:43] not sure when they'll do that [09:43] do I get an email or something? [09:43] kcontrol-kdmtheme I'll take a look at in a minute [09:44] jpatrick: don't think so, try pinging kamion in a couple of days [09:44] or if you spot mako or sabdfl online poke them :) [09:45] ok [09:46] Riddell: package is kdmtheme [09:46] hasn't appeared yet,,, [09:47] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1684 [09:47] jjesse, robotgeek_away: a patch to desktopguide on the list :) === robotgeek_away is now known as robotgeek [09:48] Riddell: you made a patch? [09:48] no, someone else, don't recognise them [09:48] Derek Buranen [09:48] yeah, one of our new team :) [09:49] "Apofis (apofis) wants to join this team. " do we know this guy? [09:49] hmm, never heard of him [09:49] err... simply put -> no [09:49] Rejected! [09:50] Riddell: mako's in #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick has to go [09:55] night, guys === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:01] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide [10:02] robotgeek: maybe I can help with desktop customisation [10:02] part [10:02] Tm_T: that's great. [10:03] Tm_T: that's my weak area :) [10:04] well, that's about what I do with KDE ;) [10:05] if you can call customisation hacking windecos, kicker, doing own graphics etc etc ;) [10:05] Tm_T: feel free to edit the wiki page, and take control of the chapter [10:05] hum, ok [10:06] robotgeek: maybe system tweaks too? [10:06] or, maybe not, atleast not yet [10:06] Tm_T: feel free to take over the tips and tricks chapter, there's no one there yet [10:11] Tm_T: do you need help with docbook stuff? [10:11] prolly yes [10:12] but let's talk about it later, now I'm going to sleep -> [10:12] Tm_T: just jump in #ubuntu-doc or #kubuntu-offtopic [10:12] Tm_T: bookmark this :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted [10:12] good night :) -> [10:14] Tm_T: later Tm_T === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel