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hawking I was trying to compile nessus from source and as compiling nessus-core I got this error  comm.c: In function comm_update_ui: comm.c:99: error: label at end of compound statement can someone help?12:25
LaserJockhawking: you will probably find much more help in #ubuntu-motu than here12:26
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jjessehiya LaserJock02:15
LaserJockhi jjesse02:15
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Madpilotanyone here with admin rights over wiki.u.c?04:22
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jsgotangconone of us do afaik04:26
Madpilotjsgotangco: see the email I just sent to -doc for why I'm asking - vandalism on the wiki...04:29
jsgotangcohold on04:29
Madpilothttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion?action=info04:29
jsgotangcooh great04:29
Madpilotlook at the edits by "Niggerplease"04:29
jsgotangco The following is for extreme masochists who have nothing better to do than compile and install inferior software all day. Your best bet is to use a well-writen, professional OS such as Microsoft Windows or Apple's OS X. Thank you.04:30
Madpilotyeah - and the earlier "edits" consisted of deleting the entire page and telling people to install a "real" OS...04:30
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=== mhz gets very pissed off with vadalism
mhz+n05:03
mhzThis is another reason why I re-propose to accept only real NameLastnames over nicknames05:06
mhzthis way we all (diff countries) can notice who is playing around 05:06
jsgotangcoyou'll probalby need to have LP for that05:06
jsgotangcobut i can always use anther name05:06
jsgotangcoBillGates05:06
jsgotangcoWilliamGates05:07
LaserJockSteveJobs05:07
mhzjsgotangco: yes, that's my point05:07
jsgotangcoWilliamGatesIII05:07
mhzpeople are so used to use nicknames05:07
mhzbut if I see 'non-serious' names I can immediately check05:07
mhzjsgotangco: remember this guys who use Moin as his own personal blog and his wiki name was aLbeRTOyoUKnoWMe05:08
mhzor something like that05:08
mhzI found no policy argument to face him ant ask him to get lost or get serious05:09
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robotgeekwe have a volunteer for the Ubuntu Cli Guide :)05:25
Madpilotodd Lauchpad/wiki error - I've no idea what the guy's doing wrong - last post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12657205:25
robotgeekisn't that part of the faq guide? /me gets all confused05:26
jsgotangcoubuntu cli guide?05:26
robotgeekjsgotangco: basically a cli way of doing things, talk to bur[n] er 05:27
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Snake__Everyone here?05:29
robotgeekSnake__: wait for kkhatman05:30
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bur[n] ersure05:30
robotgeek:)05:30
Madpilotmeeting?05:30
Snake__Theres kkathman 05:30
robotgeekMadpilot: we are the Kubuntu guide ppl. we are now a team of 405:30
Snake__Hehe05:30
Madpilotcool - have fun :)05:31
robotgeekMadpilot: do we have to finish everything before the feature freeze?05:31
Madpilotnot sure - I wasn't really involved when Breezy was going thru it's various freezes05:31
Madpilotisn't there a seperate Doc Freeze?05:32
robotgeekMadpilot: hmm, just worried cause that's 22'nd05:32
robotgeekanyways, lets start shooting ideas ppl. 05:33
MadpilotMarch 23rd is Doc String Freeze - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule05:33
bur[n] erok.. here's an idea, where can I start writing? :)05:33
Snake__Alright, well MP3s, Flash, and Java to start.05:33
kkathmanbur[n] er:  both you and Snake__ have to become familiar with docbook too quite quickly05:34
Snake__Im note taking, so go on05:34
robotgeekbur[n] er: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted Bookmark this05:34
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kkathmanthanx robotgeek you scooped me on it05:34
robotgeekbur[n] er: Snake__ it's pretty easy, not a big deal. you can pick it up as you write. 05:35
kkathmanyanno...we might just turn the common tasks over to bur[n] er and Snake__05:35
=== bur[n] er is familiar with reading docbook ;) do I have to create the .xml myself or is there a docbook tool?
kkathmanbur[n] er:  I use kate and the tools that robotgeek can give you05:36
Madpilot99% of the docbook markup I've produced is just from copying the existing stuff... :P05:36
bur[n] erI can do boring stuff, I don't mind ;)05:36
Snake__I was just taking notes in common text format...i'm not to familer with XML05:36
robotgeekhttp://robotgeek.org/wiki/Main/KubuntuDesktopGuide is what I am using, i'll wikify this soon05:36
robotgeekSnake__: i think you are slightly familiar with html?05:37
Snake__robotgeek: very familer, I just down know the layout of XML05:37
Snake__Don't*05:37
robotgeekSnake__: no need to worry, you can copy from existing stuff, that's the way i do it :)05:37
bur[n] errobotgeek: so that docbook can be produced from a wiki?05:37
robotgeekbur[n] er: no, for progress and stuff05:38
bur[n] eraww... ok05:38
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Snake__where can I get a xml file to look off of05:39
bur[n] ersounds like the install guide is where help is needed05:40
Snake__Oh crap................05:40
robotgeekSnake__: from the svn repos, check out the source. for now, http://robotgeek.no-ip.info/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/getting-started.xml05:40
Snake__robotgeek: should I read all that over??05:40
Snake__or steal the source05:41
bur[n] erawww... docbook is easy :)05:41
robotgeekSnake__: hmm, you will probably need the source05:41
Snake__Yea05:41
Snake__p05:41
Snake__Uhh im not slowing you guys down am I?05:41
robotgeekSnake__: no, take your time05:41
Snake__robotgeek: lol we got what...1 month to write it?05:42
kkathmanbut with 4 of us...shouldnt be too bad05:42
robotgeekSnake__: yeah, no big deal. 05:42
Snake__So where do I begin editing? 05:43
Snake__<chapter id="getting-started-chap"> 05:43
Snake__there?05:43
robotgeekSnake__: hmm, i am not sure who is doing what. 05:44
kkathmanrobotgeek:  well thats something we need to work out05:44
=== bur[n] er should probably login to KDE to write this stuff ;) bbiab
kkathmanI'm willing to hand off common tasks05:44
Snake__lol05:45
kkathmancuz alot of that is multimedia which I dont have05:45
robotgeekokay. no problem05:45
Kaiser_Sleepsmhz isnt here :/05:45
Kaiser_Sleeps*waves to people who are*05:45
Snake__this really makes no sense......none of gettingstarted.xml is formated....is that right?05:46
kkathmanI'd say...first lets stick to whats in the ubuntu guide...at least if push comes to shove at Doc Freeze it will be reasonable05:46
Snake__or is my browser screwy05:46
kkathmanBUT05:46
kkathmanwe should strive to expand05:46
robotgeekSnake__: open it with kate05:46
Snake__robotgeek: I did and I see a whole lot of formating that not showing up in the browser...05:47
=== bur[n] er is all about multimedia!
MadpilotSnake__: AFAIK Firefox can't handle DocBook XML05:47
Snake__im in konq05:47
robotgeekSnake__: yeah, browser won't handle it05:47
Snake__robotgeek: ah okay05:47
Madpilotah - Gnome user here, never used Konq...05:47
bur[n] eranyone know if it's easy to add docbook support to apache?  how are docbook xml files parsed.. I'd like to see a formatted local copy :)05:48
kkathmanbur[n] er: I tried using Quanta and its too hard....Kate is the best option,, then let robotgeek configure your ./mk05:49
robotgeekbur[n] er: essentially you need to have a XSLT style sheet to format it into html05:49
kkathmanthats already in your system most likely05:50
Snake__Oh this is pretty easy05:50
Snake__its just going to take a bit to get used to the new language05:50
bur[n] errobotgeek: know of any already written? :)05:50
robotgeekbur[n] er: doc.ubuntu.com, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository05:50
bur[n] erthanks, if i'm too off-topic here, let me know...  05:51
kkathmanbur[n] er:  I spent about a week trying to get Quanta configured :(05:51
robotgeekbur[n] er: nah, you are fine05:51
Snake__robotgeek: how am I to know these shortcuts, like &kubuntu-wiki05:51
Snake__etc05:51
kkathmanrobotgeek:  did you tell them how to get the snv?05:51
kkathmansvn05:51
robotgeekSnake__: bur[n] er get the sources here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository05:52
robotgeektest, and then submit a patch to the mailing list05:52
Snake__Whats this for?05:52
bur[n] eraww... that's the money link robotgeek :)  thanks for that05:52
robotgeekSnake__: that contains all the files (from everyone who is writing)05:53
Snake__robotgeek: How many are working on this??05:53
robotgeekSnake__: right now, only 4 of us. but it's easier on the whole for everyone to get updates and stuff, and for other people who might want to contribute05:54
Snake__Ah alright05:54
Snake__I already have subverison05:54
MadpilotSnake__: the main Ubuntu (Gnome) side has maybe a dozen more people, if that05:55
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bur[n] eris ubuntu-doc going to be the same svn module for Kubuntu docs?05:57
robotgeekbur[n] er: i lost you. if you mean if the root folder is ubuntu-doc, then yes05:58
Madpilotbur[n] er: inside that, there's ubuntu & kubuntu folders (among other folders...)05:58
Snake__robotgeek: how do I know what the variables are in docbook?05:58
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robotgeekSnake__: if you check up the start of the xml file, it references to some ../../lib/kde.ent or something like that. 05:59
Snake__robotgeek: okay, thank you05:59
Snake__This repo is huge05:59
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robotgeekSnake__: 190 MB, i think. 05:59
Snake__robotgeek: im really sorry but I dont quite understand how this svn thing works...what exactly do we do with it, and thank your for being patient06:01
bur[n] erI know I'm the new guy... but shouldn't the ubuntu and kubuntu directories have the same subfolders...  according to the wiki, ubuntu has quicktour and kubuntu quickguide... are these very different?06:01
bur[n] erSnake__: svn allows you to sync a folder to a repository to get the very very latest development code06:02
MadpilotSnake__: svn's built-in help is mostly readable - "svn help" in terminal06:02
Madpilotor "man svn"06:02
Snake__bur[n] er: okay, so what, I edit code, upload it, everyone downloads? or what06:02
bur[n] erSnake__: when you use svn to checkout something, it downloads all files in that directory and you can edit it locally...  When you are done, you sync to the directory again to get everyone else's changes, then you create a "diff" file... aka "patch"06:02
bur[n] eryou submit that "patch" to someone who has svn write access06:03
Snake__Okay, in our case who has that access06:03
MadpilotSnake__: commit (upload) rights will come later - you can sent your diff files to the ubuntu-docs mailing list06:03
bur[n] er(mailing list presumably... as we peons only have read ;)06:03
kkathmanSnake__:   please take some notes and I'll touch base with you tomorrow...i have an early appt in the morning..so must get ot bed :)06:03
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bur[n] erSnake__: make sense?06:04
Snake__bur[n] er: kind of. So I download the latest source, do my changes locally, then upload the changed files called "Patchs" ro a mailing list?06:04
bur[n] erexactly06:05
Snake__to*06:05
Snake__where is this mailing list?06:05
MadpilotSnake__: generating a .diff and such is covered here, as well as just connecting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository06:05
bur[n] erand if your patch is accepted, then others will get it the next time they "svn up"06:05
robotgeekhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute gives you the nice details06:05
MadpilotSnake__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact <-- mailing list info here06:06
Snake__to download  the latest patch, I use this right06:06
Snake__~/Projects/kubuntuguide$ svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk kubuntuguide   06:06
Snake__(Yes I told it to save to kubuntuguide instead of ubuntu-doc)06:06
Madpilotnot once you're set up - just "svn up" works06:06
Madpilotin whatever directory you've got the stuff in06:06
robotgeekMadpilot: can i create  a status page on the wiki?06:07
robotgeekKubuntuDesktopGuide types?06:07
Snake__Wow....thats amazing06:07
Snake__lol06:07
Snake__snake@Laptop:~/Projects/kubuntuguide/kubuntuguide$ svn up06:07
Snake__At revision 2386.06:07
Madpilotrobotgeek: I don't see why not...06:07
Snake__right?06:07
bur[n] erooh... according to that Contribute link... yelp works with docbook files :)  I never knew06:07
MadpilotSnake__: that's what I've got06:07
Snake__Madpilot: alrighty06:07
robotgeekcool, brb06:07
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jsgotangcorobotgeek, hmmmm server oriented i guess06:08
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robotgeekjsgotangco: hmm, yeah. that too. maybe we can share that section as an addendum between ubuntu/kubuntu06:08
jsgotangcoyeah06:09
jsgotangcoif you can still do work for the destkop guide, you can probably add that06:09
jsgotangcoif not, we can probably add it on the quickguide06:09
robotgeekbur[n] er: ^^06:09
Snake__Should I supscribe to this mailing list?06:09
jsgotangcosure06:09
Snake__jsgotangco: is that to me?06:10
Snake__lol06:10
MadpilotSnake__: it's not usually high-volume, and it's the easiest way to get your patches/diffs applied06:10
jsgotangcoSnake__, as the current list admin, yeah :)06:10
bur[n] erSnake__: got a link for the ML? I wanna subscribe ;)06:11
Snake__Ya'll have to pardon my stupidity, i'm a noob to all this, and i'm getting hit with it all very very fast :)06:11
Snake__bur[n] er: 06:11
Snake__https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc06:11
jsgotangcohttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc06:11
Snake__alright im giving you guys my non-proxy email, dont spam me :P06:11
jsgotangcoits relatively low-traffic06:12
jsgotangcocompared to -users06:12
Snake__Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?06:12
Snake__yes or no?06:12
jsgotangcono06:12
Snake__Okay06:12
robotgeekSnake__: about 5-10 emails a day, i prefer to get them individually, threads and stuff06:12
jsgotangcolike i said, its relatively low traffic no need for digest06:13
Snake__haha my gmail is gonna fill up quick06:13
Snake__hold on im gonna make a new account for thist06:13
robotgeekSnake__: i use my gmail, it doesn't fill up :)06:13
bur[n] erSnake__: you have like 2.6 gigs with gmail!06:13
Snake__lol06:13
Snake__:)06:13
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MadpilotSnake__: just create a new set of tags/filters, it's really not a high-volume list06:14
Snake__what should I be filtering?06:14
Snake__(whats the list email)06:14
robotgeekSnake__: for gmail06:15
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bur[n] ers/album/article06:15
Snake__I never understood what that ment... bur[n] er 06:15
MadpilotSnake__: filter on "ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com"06:15
Snake__okay thank you Madpilot 06:15
Snake__That I understand :)06:15
jsgotangcoill go back to work first, just ping me up if any problems arise in your list subscription06:15
MadpilotI tag it with "UbDocs" when it comes it, helps me keep my Inbox semi-organized06:16
Madpilot*comes in, rather....06:16
jsgotangcoheh tell that to a person subscribed to .*06:17
robotgeekMadpilot: i think i'll create it as a subpage of DocumentationTeam06:17
Madpilotjsgotangco: those of you insane enough to subscribe to the entirety of wiki.u.c deserve it... :P06:17
Snake__Well I think I got it06:18
jsgotangcoyeah your brother's wiki spamming episdoe was scary06:18
Madpilotjsgotangco: even he's not insane enough to sub to the entire thing...06:18
jsgotangcothat was scary, he was all alone with the wiki during the holidays06:18
Madpilotheh. minor surgery + holidays meant he didn't have a lot else to do :D06:19
Snake__How do I upload my patchs? Email them to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com in a attachment?06:20
Snake__orwhat06:20
MadpilotSnake__: yes06:20
Snake__Alrighty dity06:20
Snake__notes taken :)06:21
Snake__robotgeek: anything else I need?06:21
robotgeekSnake__: hold on a moment06:22
Snake__Yep06:22
robotgeekhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide bur[n] er Snake__ (take your picks :) )06:23
Snake__robotgeek: so theres no way to preview what im doing with these things?06:24
robotgeekSnake__: of course there is :)06:24
MadpilotSnake__: you can launch yelp & preview, or whatever help viewer KDE uses06:24
Snake__Ummm06:24
Snake__huh?06:24
Snake__lol06:24
robotgeekMadpilot: hmm, i did not know that. i always run the ./mk script to convert to html :)06:25
Snake__robotgeek: ill handle games, and most music (Except burning)06:25
Snake__to start with06:25
Madpilotrobotgeek: "yelp /path/to/foo.xml"06:25
Snake__does yelp come with kubuntu06:25
robotgeekMadpilot: thanks :)06:26
robotgeekSnake__: do you have a wiki page yet? 06:27
Snake__robotgeek: uhhh...i guess not?06:27
Snake__lol06:27
robotgeek*hint*06:27
Snake__I think I do, but I didnt know what to put there06:28
Madpilotrobotgeek: note that you have to launch yelp w/ the top-level xml file, or it errors out - so desktop.xml rather than getting-started.xml, for example...06:28
Snake__robotgeek: this is mine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kenminardo06:28
Snake__I didn't know what to do with it06:28
robotgeekSnake__: no, just to link you up. 06:29
MadpilotSnake__: your life story, why Ubuntu is wonderful, etc :P06:29
Madpilotan email adress and notes about what your IRC nick is 06:29
Snake__Alright06:29
Snake__im half way there :P06:29
jsgotangcolife story? seriously06:29
robotgeekSnake__: so, you are taking the common tasks except the cd burning?06:29
Madpilotjsgotangco: you did see the :P on the end, didn't you?06:30
robotgeekbur[n] er: what section might you be interested in? and wiki page?06:30
Snake__robotgeek: ill probly end up with most of them, I would take office as well, but for the time being, just mark me down for the 2...06:30
jsgotangcoyeah06:30
robotgeekSnake__: okay06:31
bur[n] eri'm lookin ;)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerekBuranen06:31
bur[n] erI like some of the common tasks, but I can handle any of it06:32
Snake__The kubuntu wiki is so much more pretty than ubuntus :)06:32
robotgeekSnake__: i am guessing it's just a different css06:33
MadpilotSnake__: there's a seperate kubuntu wiki?06:33
Snake__robotgeek: it is, butit looks better :)06:33
Snake__Madpilot: no, just a diffrent layout06:33
Madpilotah, OK - shiny blooooo graphics, right?06:34
Snake__Madpilot: looks like the kubuntu homepage ;)06:34
Snake__yep06:34
bur[n] errobotgeek: you british?  (custumise as opposed to customize)06:35
Snake__bur[n] er: texan ;)06:35
Madpilotshiny blooo-ness and smaller font - cool what you can do w/ CSS, isn't it?06:36
Snake__very06:36
=== bur[n] er wonders if "widgets" should be under Common Tasks, as they're a hot buzz word/fun thing for new users ;)
Snake__robotgeek: are you adding in what I wrote for adding/remove/update apps?06:37
Snake__Ooooooo06:37
Snake__I could do SK....06:37
robotgeekreferesh, and add what you want to do :)06:37
robotgeekbur[n] er: i studied the Queens English for 21 years :)06:38
Snake__robotgeek: I hope that doesnt mean im taking all common tasks!? 06:38
Snake__perhaps be more specific?? Music -- Snake__ Videos -- Soandso?06:39
robotgeekSnake__: just edit and add whatever you feel like doing, i'll do the rest after you are done. 06:39
Snake__it would give us a better idea as to who is doing what, don't you agree06:39
robotgeekyeah, feel free to edit and correct :)06:40
Snake__bur[n] er: what are you doing, ill edit it in while im doing mine06:40
Snake__robotgeek: is my guide to adding/removing and updating apps getting in there? If so ill mark it off as done.06:41
robotgeekSnake__: yes, the section on "Adding, Removing and Updating Applications"06:41
Snake__Thats what I assumed06:42
Snake__okay06:42
Snake__bur[n] er: ya die on me?06:42
robotgeekSnake__: i am going to have to do all the screenshots in Dapper, tho06:42
bur[n] ernah, i'm here... sorry06:42
bur[n] eri'm going through it ;)  codecs is easy06:42
bur[n] eri'm docbook writing it already06:42
Snake__robotgeek: alright, I could get dapper on a virtual PC if it could help..06:43
robotgeekbur[n] er: are you a vim guy?06:43
Snake__bur[n] er: so your taking codecs?06:43
robotgeekhttp://robotgeek.org/wiki/KubuntuDesktopGuide/CommonTasks is the list of Common Tasks, kkhatman and I came up with. i'll add it in later, so that it gives us a better idea06:44
Snake__robotgeek: hows that struture look06:47
Snake__https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide#preview06:47
robotgeekSnake__: i just refreshed the page, looks good06:47
Snake__altight06:48
Snake__I'm off to bed, tomorrow ill finish up writting this music thing, and try to docbook it :D06:48
Snake__night06:48
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bur[n] errobotgeek: sometimes a vim guy... only when sshing, why?06:49
Snake|SleepingFinally somewhere I can help the community :)06:49
robotgeekbur[n] er: xmledit plugin is great06:49
Snake|Sleepingrobotgeek: we got issues06:50
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: what?06:50
Snake|SleepingThis variable thing dont make no sense in docbook06:50
bur[n] errobotgeek: right on, thanks for the tip :)  I hope to do a lot of this while actually sitting at my full on X desktop using kate though 06:50
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: hmm, one sec06:50
Snake|Sleeping<ulink url="&ubuntu-web;">&ubuntu-web;</ulink>06:50
Snake|SleepingHow do you know to call on ubuntu-web06:50
Snake|Sleepingits not defined anywhere06:51
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: hmm, it should be in a file ../../../libs/global.ent06:52
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Snake|Sleepingrobotgeek: ah thank you very much06:53
Snake|Sleepingrobotgeek: so if I wanted to link to the gpl I would do <ulink url="&gpl-url;">GPL</ulink> ?06:54
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: i would think so, i'm a hack at this myself. 06:54
Snake|Sleepingheh, well didnt you write the getting-started page??06:55
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: as i said, i mostly editined the Ubuntu Desktop Guide counterpart06:56
Snake|Sleepingrobotgeek: oh..alright. well I guess we got to learn, and we have 43 days to do it. Does the wiki accept HTML coding?06:57
bur[n] erhey Snake|Sleeping, since you're checkin stuff... tell me if <xref linkend="adept"/> is valid ;)06:57
bur[n] erthe wiki does not06:57
hustlebirdhow do you make windows the default at startup when running with ubunutu?06:57
Snake|Sleepingbur[n] er: I have no cluewhat that mans :(06:57
Snake|Sleepingmeans*06:58
bur[n] erSnake|Sleeping: nm then ;)  i'll figure it out06:58
Snake|Sleepingcrap im sleepy06:58
Snake|Sleepinglol06:58
Snake|Sleepingokay night06:58
robotgeekhustlebird: you might want to ask in #ubuntu, that is the support channel06:58
hustlebirdthanks06:58
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: no html06:58
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: and yes, we'll get it done, not to worry06:59
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Snake|Sleepingrobotgeek: if I may ask, where in dapper is this going??07:05
robotgeeklater all, i'm going to bed07:05
Snake|SleepingWAiiitt07:05
Snake|Sleepinglol07:05
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: the help menu07:05
Snake|Sleepingrobotgeek: oh okay, so no ones gonna see it?07:06
Snake|Sleeping:P07:06
robotgeekSnake|Sleeping: i hope people do07:06
Snake|Sleepinglol same07:06
robotgeeklater then, cya tommorow07:07
Snake|Sleepingcya07:07
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Snake|Sleepingll07:13
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mdkerobotgeek_zzz, did you see that there have been lots of changes to the desktop guide recently? i dunno if you wanna incorporate that into the kubuntu version09:03
Madpilothi mdke09:03
Madpilotmdke: so who's got admin rights over wiki.u.c - for banning users/IPs/etc?09:04
mdkethe admins definitely, henrik probably09:07
mdkewhy?09:07
mdkeah, me sees emails09:08
mdkeyes, LP admins will be able to disable the account09:08
Madpilotnot the server admins, just wiki or LP admins09:11
mdkesorry?09:12
Madpilotnever mind - it's late :P09:12
MadpilotIs there nobody on doc/wiki team who as admin rights over the wiki itself?09:13
mdkethere are no admin rights on the wiki09:13
mdkeeveryone has the same rights09:13
mdkethe only extra rights you can have are if you have access to the machine the wiki is hosted on09:13
mdkeand the server admins have that, and henrik09:13
mdkebut to disable an account, just talk to the LP guys09:14
Madpilotah - thought it was like Mediawiki, with finer-grained access09:14
mdkeit can be, but that isn't activated on our wiki09:14
jsgotangcomoin can have ACLs if needed09:14
manickamdke, has the doc-team clarified it's position on taking data from the udsf and placing it on the wiki... I'm thinking in regard to licensing issues. If there were users with enough energy... could it be done?09:14
jsgotangcoyou can't really stop vandals, the only way would probably lock down a page09:15
Madpilotjsgotangco: true, but disabling their accounts could/should be easy09:15
mdkemanicka, i don't know. The problem is that I think the UDSF is breaking copyright by relicensing material from the forums without author permission09:16
mdkei haven't thought about it much tho09:16
mdkeMadpilot, yes, disabling their LP account will do that09:16
mdkeshit i have to get to work09:17
Madpilotlater, mdke09:17
manickawhen is the next doc-team meeting09:17
Madpilot11th February 2006 - no time posted yet09:21
Madpilothttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda09:21
manickathanks Madpilot :)09:39
Madpilotnp09:40
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mdke:)10:39
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hawkingwhich package should i install for php?11:01
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zaci have a windows partition set up for my music collection that can't be viewed in ubuntu. is there any way to format a drive to allow for cross-platform access?01:07
Kamping_Kaiserfat3201:08
Kamping_Kaiserbut ubuntu should be able to read ntfs fine01:09
zacawesome... i stupidly used ntfs.01:09
zacmaybe it's because i'm new to linux. don't know how to access the partition if this is the case01:10
zacshould i just be accessing the ntfs drive through the file browser?01:12
jsgotangcoyou could mount it automatically on startup01:13
jsgotangcoits all in the help page :)01:13
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Kamping_Kaiseri prefer the layout of Breezy's quickguide then that of dapper :/ it was easer to find stuff :/03:24
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jsgotangcoreally03:38
Kamping_Kaiseryeh04:03
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mdkeKaiser_Sleeps, if you put that in an email to the list with some suggestions, i'm sure people will read it and consider them04:51
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robotgeekwould anyone know where the kde menu entities are located. like "gnome-menus-C.ent", is there a kde-menus-C.ent ?05:25
robotgeekmdke: ping :05:25
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jjesserobotgeek_work i don't know if there is a kde-menus-C.ent06:40
jjesserobotgeek_work  if so it would be under kubuntu/build/06:40
mdkerobotgeek_work, don't think so06:45
mdkebest to look at some kubuntu docs06:45
jjessethe file kde-menus-C.ent in kubuntu/libs is currently empty so i woul assume that there are none06:52
jjessei i don't think I've used menu entities before06:52
mdkethey can be quite useful if you have frequent instructions to opening programs from menus06:59
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robotgeekjjesse: is it okay to create some?07:40
robotgeekmdke: ^ ?07:42
jjesserobotgeek: i would assume it would be ok to create them so we can then change the docs to correspond07:45
robotgeekjjesse: yeah, i am creating menu entries also, which are xml files. what would be the best way to submit files to be uploaded?07:47
jjessesvn upload i think?07:47
jjesseso they get added into svn07:47
robotgeekno commit rights for me yet, so just mail it in?07:47
robotgeekjjesse: ?07:50
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robotgeekhowdy LaserJock 07:50
LaserJockhi robotgeek07:53
robotgeekhowz it going?07:54
LaserJockwell, it's ok. I just got a new Intel iMac but I'm trying to get it set up so I can do Ubuntu work07:55
robotgeeknice07:55
robotgeeki saw a google video where someone had put in MS on that07:55
LaserJockreally? It would take lots of work. I can't put Ubuntu on it yet07:56
robotgeeki'll link you, one sec07:56
robotgeekhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7744932027146565659&q=apple07:57
robotgeekthis is sony viao running OS X http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7540321621291755467&q=apple07:58
LaserJockwell, that's a bit different. I want to go the other way around07:59
robotgeekwhat does it do? not boot up?07:59
LaserJockyeah, there is no BIOS08:00
LaserJockit is an Intel thing called EFI instead08:00
robotgeekhmm, okay. wonder how we bypass that08:01
LaserJockI think we have to write something that interacts with EFI instead of the BIOS, which I don't think will be that easy08:01
jjesserobotgeek: sorry was away, just email ubuntu-docs and soemone will add the files for u08:02
LaserJockalso the graphics cards, x1600, aren't supported either 08:02
robotgeekjjesse: okay, i'll try to keep it under 40 kb this time :)08:02
LaserJockwould there be any weirdnesses if I commited to the svn repo from a Mac?08:02
jjessenot that i know of i use windows sometimes08:03
LaserJockno problems with the newline characters or whatever?08:03
mdkerobotgeek, yes you can create them if you think it will be useful. It might not though: maybe best just to create entities for frequently used menu items in the document itself08:04
mdkerobotgeek, as for uploading them, just make a patch as usual08:04
robotgeekmdke: i am not sure whether i will use them regularly, however it's a nice way to reference applications i think. If we have to make changes, we can make it once and be done with it08:05
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mdkethey are only useful to tell people how to open applications, and it can be done manually quite easily08:06
robotgeekthe thing is gnome menu entries are present in breezy install, kde has none08:07
mdkei dont follow08:08
mdkebrb, dinner08:08
robotgeekmdke: okay08:08
mhzrobotgeek: booting OSX in x86?08:31
robotgeekmhz: yes08:32
robotgeekmhz: can i tar.gz my patches and send them in?08:32
mhzrobotgeek: ohhhh??????08:32
robotgeeki have 12 patches :)08:32
mhzrobotgeek: how do you do install it?08:32
robotgeekmhz: hmm, no clue. it's just a google video i saw08:33
robotgeekLaserJock: can i tar.gz my patches and send them in? i have 12. 08:34
LaserJockfor the packaging guide?08:34
robotgeekno, for the Kubuntu Desktop Guide. I don't have commit rights yet08:35
LaserJockwell, I'm not in a good position to be commiting things at the moment. I managed to get svn installed but I'm not sure I trust it just yet. but you should be able to send a tar.gz file to the list ok I would think.08:36
LaserJockbut make sure to mention what is inside ;-)08:36
robotgeekcool08:36
jjesserobotgeek: send them to me dirrectly jjesse@iserv.net i'll commit them @ work08:36
mdkerobotgeek, can't you do one patch?08:36
robotgeekmdke: for the whole thing, i can do that too. 08:36
mdkethat's the best plan08:36
robotgeeki tht it ws preffered to send in multiple patches08:36
mdkewell in this case, it's all the same document right?08:37
robotgeekmdke: actually no, multiple files, different stuff08:37
mdkeah08:37
mdkea patch for each doc I'd say08:37
robotgeekyeah, that's how i have it08:37
robotgeeki also have a cheap patching script :)08:38
mdke12 docs?!?08:38
robotgeekmdke: hmm, the menu files are about 4/5 of them08:38
robotgeek6 actually, and the rest are patches for the rest of the stuff, an entry here and there08:39
mdkecool, I'd say separate patches for each document, single patch for menu files08:48
robotgeekmdke: hmm, good that you caught me, i was about to press mail :)08:49
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Snake__robotgeek: Yo08:55
robotgeekhey Snake__ 08:55
Snake__robotgeek: so I only need to write the XML files, nothing else right?08:57
robotgeekSnake__: yes08:58
Snake__Alright08:58
Snake__robotgeek: whats the script for?08:58
robotgeekSnake__: give me a minute08:59
Snake__No problem08:59
Snake__Can anyone here help a noobie with docbook?09:27
mdkeSnake__, yes, go ahead09:27
mdkewe'll try09:27
Snake__mdke: okay, im helping write the kubuntu desktop guide, and...ahh crap one min konq froze09:27
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Snake__Ugh.09:28
Snake__mdke: sorry, my computers a bit on the slow side, i need to re-open the file09:28
mdkeok, which file are you working on09:29
Snake__mdke: i'm writing a new one, but I was just going to edit the "getting-started.xml" since I dont really kno docbook09:30
mdkeright, that's the best way09:30
bur[n] erSnake__: don't you wanna edit common-tasks.xml ?09:31
Snake__mdke: i'm not sure what to put in the title, or anything like that09:31
mdketitle of what?09:31
Snake__mdke: the tags, it says <title id="soandso"> etc etc....i'm not sure what to put because I have to customize it to work in my section of the guide right?09:32
bur[n] erSnake__: you workin on the music part?09:32
Snake__<chapter id="getting-started-chap"> , what im writing up is going..i guess in the "common tasks" chaptoer09:32
mdkeyou don't need an id for the title tag. As for the content, that's really up to you: the title of a chapter/section depends on what is in it09:32
Snake__bur[n] er: yes09:32
bur[n] erSnake__: so instead of getting-started.xml... open common-tasks.xml09:32
bur[n] erdid you do an svn checkout?09:32
Snake__bur[n] er: yes09:33
jjesserobotgeek_away: i'm patching and commitng your email09:33
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bur[n] erso go to kubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks.xml and edit the music part :) and make a .diff file09:33
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=== mdke sense Snake__ is british
mdkesenses*09:34
bur[n] erIntel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz - 512 MB here :)09:34
Snake__mdke: No sir, Ohio born and raised :)09:34
mdkehmm "arse"?09:34
Snake__P3 900 mhz, 512 mb09:34
Snake__I didnt want to swear09:34
bur[n] erlol09:34
mdkei thought americans all say ass09:34
Snake__We do :)09:35
bur[n] eramericans say ass on tv ;)09:35
mdkeanyhow09:35
Snake__Yea09:35
bur[n] eryeah, sorry off-topic ;)  09:35
bur[n] erfollow me on that common-tasks.xml thing Snake__ ?09:35
Snake__So I dont have to start my own file?? I just edit this one bur[n] er ?09:35
bur[n] erSnake__: right09:35
mdkethat's right09:35
bur[n] erSnake__: then do "svn diff common-tasks.xml common-tasks.xml.diff" when you're done09:35
mdkehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute has some good instructions for how to work Snake__ 09:35
bur[n] ermake sure to test it with "yelp common-tasks.xml" to make sure it opens first09:36
Snake__Oh wow that just made my life so much more easier09:36
Snake__I was under the impression that I had to start my own xml file :)09:36
mhz.oO(isn't it arse for irish lads?)09:36
mdkeno, no09:36
bur[n] erSnake__: this time read that Contribute link ;)09:36
Snake__bur[n] er: I did, cant really say I understood it all tho :P09:36
bur[n] erSnake__: right on... I think I got it down, so feel free to ask... no one committed my patch though09:36
mdkemail the list if it isn't clear, we'll change it09:36
mdkebut it should be fairly clear09:37
mdkebur[n] er, which patch was that?09:37
jjesseboy it sure is nice seeing more people contribute09:37
jjesse;009:37
mdkejjesse, you betcha09:37
bur[n] ermdke: My First Patch was the email subject... but I didn't send it from my subscribed account... so it may have been disregarded09:37
bur[n] ermdke: should I resend it?09:37
Snake__jjesse: Hehe i've been on kubuntu a month, I love it with my heart and soul, im gonna give it all I can :). I would help with bug fix, but im not much of a programmer09:38
mdkebur[n] er, you would have got an email saying "pending moderation"09:38
mdkebur[n] er, did it appear on the list?09:38
mdkebur[n] er, http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc09:38
bur[n] ermdke: it didn't come to the list, but I did get the pending email09:38
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mdkebur[n] er, resend, or wait for it to get moderated, I guess09:38
mdkeif you resend, cancel the previous one09:38
bur[n] erI can cancel?09:39
mdkeyeah, read the "pending" email :)09:39
Snake__How long does it take for moderation and for patchs to be added?09:39
bur[n] ermdke: i deleted it ;)09:39
Snake__on a norm09:39
mdkeSnake__, if you subscribe, no moderation is needed for mails to get to the list. As for applying patches, it depends on what document you're working on, but it should only be a day or two09:40
=== bur[n] er assumes it's pretty rapid if the svn changes are any indication
mdkefor kubuntu, jjesse will commit things09:40
bur[n] eris it cool if I resend using my subscribed account without cancelling the previous one?09:40
mdkeSnake__, it is a good idea to subscribe to the commit mailing list too 09:40
mdkebur[n] er, yeah09:40
Snake__mdke: I think im part of that09:40
Snake__bur[n] er: what did we sign up for yesterday?09:41
mdkethe normal mailing list probably09:41
bur[n] erSnake__: the mailing list... I just have multiple emails and sent it from a different one09:41
mdkethere is a commit mailing list, which notifies you of each upload to the repository09:41
mdkeit's quite useful09:41
Snake__alright all check into that, but write now I want to write this xml file09:42
mdkeokay :)09:42
bur[n] erSnake__: slacker ;)09:42
Snake__bur[n] er: slacker my butt!09:43
Snake__bur[n] er: i'm writing a report for english atm too :P09:43
Snake__Then I have a essay I got to write for science :(09:43
mdkebah09:43
mdkeprioritise09:43
mdke:)09:43
mdkei'm off09:44
mdkegood luck, and if you run into trouble, check that link09:44
Snake__Okie dokie09:44
Snake__thanks mdke 09:44
=== bur[n] er is off too... good luck Snake__
Snake__Oh no09:46
Snake__lol cya bur[n] er 09:46
Snake__robotgeek: how do I make a list in docbook09:51
LaserJockSnake__: what kind of list?09:52
Snake__LaserJock: just a numbered lsit09:52
LaserJockSnake__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocBookReference has some info09:53
LaserJockSnake__: I think you want <orderedlist>09:53
LaserJockso http://opensource.bureau-cornavin.com/crash-course/orderedlist.html has what you want ;-)09:54
Snake__LaserJock: thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthank 1000x over09:54
Snake__ive been looking for something like that refrence forever09:54
Snake__LaserJock: and yep thatll due09:55
robotgeekphew, phone call09:55
Snake__hehe09:55
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LaserJockSnake__: np, that's what we are here for :-)09:56
=== robotgeek hopes the patches will keep rolling in , and we finish in 4 days!
Snake__robotgeek: 4 days!?09:57
robotgeekSnake__: that's why i was hoping, lol09:58
Snake__lol09:58
robotgeekwhen you dream, dream big09:58
Snake__robotgeek: ill be done with mine thursday/friday, hopefully09:59
robotgeekSnake__: cool09:59
Snake__My whole 2 parts :P, then I can help somewhere else if needed09:59
robotgeeki will attack chapter 3 today10:00
jjesserobotgeek: where does global.ent.patch and mk.patch get applied to?10:10
robotgeekjjesse: global thing gets applied to libs/global.ent , it only adds an url for kubuntu-support page10:10
robotgeekmk.patch to kubuntu/desktopguide/C/mk 10:11
jjesseok everything should be applied10:13
robotgeekjjesse: thanks, i just svn updated :)10:20
mdkerobotgeek, don't worry too much about the mk file, it's not used by kubuntu10:22
robotgeekmdke: hmm, okay. i just build my previews using that file10:23
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mdkerobotgeek, ok, we'll need to give it a bit of thought10:24
mdkeI like decentralised makefiles, it's easier for translations10:25
robotgeekmdke: yeah, i hadn't thought of that. 10:25
robotgeekmdke: i am not comfortable with make files yet, will you be able to help me with that?10:26
jjesseis there no make file for the desktopguide?10:27
mdkerobotgeek, yes I will indeed10:27
robotgeeknope, just some script which runsxsltproc10:27
mdkejjesse, in the Ubuntu version, I call a separate make script10:31
mdkei think we'll try and do the same for the kubuntu one10:31
jjessei like it when we can make things similar and doing so makes things easier10:31
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mdke*nods*10:32
robotgeekjjesse: i copied the mk file from the ubuntu desktop guide, it is still there10:32
robotgeeki just modified it to reflect kde stuff10:32
mdkerobotgeek, kde uses some different build tools, we'll sort it out, dont worry10:33
robotgeekmdke: hmm, okay. i assumed the doc uses the same things. 10:34
jjessefor all kubuntu docs we use the kde build tools10:34
mdkefraid not, at the moment.10:34
jjessefeel free to correct me if wrong10:34
robotgeekhmm, will i need to change the xml stuff?10:35
mdkenope10:35
mdkejust look after the xml, we'll sort out the build stuff10:35
jjessethat's all i do :)  i'd probablly break stuff 10:36
robotgeeksounds good to me10:36
robotgeekjjesse: don't apply bur[n] er's patch just yet10:42
Snake__Ill brb, time to eat10:42
Snake__Back11:00
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