[12:25] <hawking>  I was trying to compile nessus from source and as compiling nessus-core I got this error  comm.c: In function comm_update_ui: comm.c:99: error: label at end of compound statement can someone help?
[12:26] <LaserJock> hawking: you will probably find much more help in #ubuntu-motu than here
[02:15] <jjesse> hiya LaserJock
[02:15] <LaserJock> hi jjesse
[04:22] <Madpilot> anyone here with admin rights over wiki.u.c?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> none of us do afaik
[04:29] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: see the email I just sent to -doc for why I'm asking - vandalism on the wiki...
[04:29] <jsgotangco> hold on
[04:29] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion?action=info
[04:29] <jsgotangco> oh great
[04:29] <Madpilot> look at the edits by "Niggerplease"
[04:30] <jsgotangco>  The following is for extreme masochists who have nothing better to do than compile and install inferior software all day. Your best bet is to use a well-writen, professional OS such as Microsoft Windows or Apple's OS X. Thank you.
[04:30] <Madpilot> yeah - and the earlier "edits" consisted of deleting the entire page and telling people to install a "real" OS...
[05:03] <mhz> +n
[05:06] <mhz> This is another reason why I re-propose to accept only real NameLastnames over nicknames
[05:06] <mhz> this way we all (diff countries) can notice who is playing around 
[05:06] <jsgotangco> you'll probalby need to have LP for that
[05:06] <jsgotangco> but i can always use anther name
[05:06] <jsgotangco> BillGates
[05:07] <jsgotangco> WilliamGates
[05:07] <LaserJock> SteveJobs
[05:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: yes, that's my point
[05:07] <jsgotangco> WilliamGatesIII
[05:07] <mhz> people are so used to use nicknames
[05:07] <mhz> but if I see 'non-serious' names I can immediately check
[05:08] <mhz> jsgotangco: remember this guys who use Moin as his own personal blog and his wiki name was aLbeRTOyoUKnoWMe
[05:08] <mhz> or something like that
[05:09] <mhz> I found no policy argument to face him ant ask him to get lost or get serious
[05:25] <robotgeek> we have a volunteer for the Ubuntu Cli Guide :)
[05:25] <Madpilot> odd Lauchpad/wiki error - I've no idea what the guy's doing wrong - last post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=126572
[05:26] <robotgeek> isn't that part of the faq guide? /me gets all confused
[05:26] <jsgotangco> ubuntu cli guide?
[05:27] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: basically a cli way of doing things, talk to bur[n] er 
[05:29] <Snake__> Everyone here?
[05:30] <robotgeek> Snake__: wait for kkhatman
[05:30] <bur[n] er> sure
[05:30] <robotgeek> :)
[05:30] <Madpilot> meeting?
[05:30] <Snake__> Theres kkathman 
[05:30] <robotgeek> Madpilot: we are the Kubuntu guide ppl. we are now a team of 4
[05:30] <Snake__> Hehe
[05:31] <Madpilot> cool - have fun :)
[05:31] <robotgeek> Madpilot: do we have to finish everything before the feature freeze?
[05:31] <Madpilot> not sure - I wasn't really involved when Breezy was going thru it's various freezes
[05:32] <Madpilot> isn't there a seperate Doc Freeze?
[05:32] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, just worried cause that's 22'nd
[05:33] <robotgeek> anyways, lets start shooting ideas ppl. 
[05:33] <Madpilot> March 23rd is Doc String Freeze - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[05:33] <bur[n] er> ok.. here's an idea, where can I start writing? :)
[05:33] <Snake__> Alright, well MP3s, Flash, and Java to start.
[05:34] <kkathman> bur[n] er:  both you and Snake__ have to become familiar with docbook too quite quickly
[05:34] <Snake__> Im note taking, so go on
[05:34] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted Bookmark this
[05:34] <kkathman> thanx robotgeek you scooped me on it
[05:35] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: Snake__ it's pretty easy, not a big deal. you can pick it up as you write. 
[05:35] <kkathman> yanno...we might just turn the common tasks over to bur[n] er and Snake__
[05:36] <kkathman> bur[n] er:  I use kate and the tools that robotgeek can give you
[05:36] <Madpilot> 99% of the docbook markup I've produced is just from copying the existing stuff... :P
[05:36] <bur[n] er> I can do boring stuff, I don't mind ;)
[05:36] <Snake__> I was just taking notes in common text format...i'm not to familer with XML
[05:36] <robotgeek> http://robotgeek.org/wiki/Main/KubuntuDesktopGuide is what I am using, i'll wikify this soon
[05:37] <robotgeek> Snake__: i think you are slightly familiar with html?
[05:37] <Snake__> robotgeek: very familer, I just down know the layout of XML
[05:37] <Snake__> Don't*
[05:37] <robotgeek> Snake__: no need to worry, you can copy from existing stuff, that's the way i do it :)
[05:37] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: so that docbook can be produced from a wiki?
[05:38] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: no, for progress and stuff
[05:38] <bur[n] er> aww... ok
[05:39] <Snake__> where can I get a xml file to look off of
[05:40] <bur[n] er> sounds like the install guide is where help is needed
[05:40] <Snake__> Oh crap................
[05:40] <robotgeek> Snake__: from the svn repos, check out the source. for now, http://robotgeek.no-ip.info/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/getting-started.xml
[05:40] <Snake__> robotgeek: should I read all that over??
[05:41] <Snake__> or steal the source
[05:41] <bur[n] er> awww... docbook is easy :)
[05:41] <robotgeek> Snake__: hmm, you will probably need the source
[05:41] <Snake__> Yea
[05:41] <Snake__> p
[05:41] <Snake__> Uhh im not slowing you guys down am I?
[05:41] <robotgeek> Snake__: no, take your time
[05:42] <Snake__> robotgeek: lol we got what...1 month to write it?
[05:42] <kkathman> but with 4 of us...shouldnt be too bad
[05:42] <robotgeek> Snake__: yeah, no big deal. 
[05:43] <Snake__> So where do I begin editing? 
[05:43] <Snake__> <chapter id="getting-started-chap"> 
[05:43] <Snake__> there?
[05:44] <robotgeek> Snake__: hmm, i am not sure who is doing what. 
[05:44] <kkathman> robotgeek:  well thats something we need to work out
[05:44] <kkathman> I'm willing to hand off common tasks
[05:45] <Snake__> lol
[05:45] <kkathman> cuz alot of that is multimedia which I dont have
[05:45] <robotgeek> okay. no problem
[05:45] <Kaiser_Sleeps> mhz isnt here :/
[05:45] <Kaiser_Sleeps> *waves to people who are*
[05:46] <Snake__> this really makes no sense......none of gettingstarted.xml is formated....is that right?
[05:46] <kkathman> I'd say...first lets stick to whats in the ubuntu guide...at least if push comes to shove at Doc Freeze it will be reasonable
[05:46] <Snake__> or is my browser screwy
[05:46] <kkathman> BUT
[05:46] <kkathman> we should strive to expand
[05:46] <robotgeek> Snake__: open it with kate
[05:47] <Snake__> robotgeek: I did and I see a whole lot of formating that not showing up in the browser...
[05:47] <Madpilot> Snake__: AFAIK Firefox can't handle DocBook XML
[05:47] <Snake__> im in konq
[05:47] <robotgeek> Snake__: yeah, browser won't handle it
[05:47] <Snake__> robotgeek: ah okay
[05:47] <Madpilot> ah - Gnome user here, never used Konq...
[05:48] <bur[n] er> anyone know if it's easy to add docbook support to apache?  how are docbook xml files parsed.. I'd like to see a formatted local copy :)
[05:49] <kkathman> bur[n] er: I tried using Quanta and its too hard....Kate is the best option,, then let robotgeek configure your ./mk
[05:49] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: essentially you need to have a XSLT style sheet to format it into html
[05:50] <kkathman> thats already in your system most likely
[05:50] <Snake__> Oh this is pretty easy
[05:50] <Snake__> its just going to take a bit to get used to the new language
[05:50] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: know of any already written? :)
[05:50] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: doc.ubuntu.com, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[05:51] <bur[n] er> thanks, if i'm too off-topic here, let me know...  
[05:51] <kkathman> bur[n] er:  I spent about a week trying to get Quanta configured :(
[05:51] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: nah, you are fine
[05:51] <Snake__> robotgeek: how am I to know these shortcuts, like &kubuntu-wiki
[05:51] <Snake__> etc
[05:51] <kkathman> robotgeek:  did you tell them how to get the snv?
[05:51] <kkathman> svn
[05:52] <robotgeek> Snake__: bur[n] er get the sources here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[05:52] <robotgeek> test, and then submit a patch to the mailing list
[05:52] <Snake__> Whats this for?
[05:52] <bur[n] er> aww... that's the money link robotgeek :)  thanks for that
[05:53] <robotgeek> Snake__: that contains all the files (from everyone who is writing)
[05:53] <Snake__> robotgeek: How many are working on this??
[05:54] <robotgeek> Snake__: right now, only 4 of us. but it's easier on the whole for everyone to get updates and stuff, and for other people who might want to contribute
[05:54] <Snake__> Ah alright
[05:54] <Snake__> I already have subverison
[05:55] <Madpilot> Snake__: the main Ubuntu (Gnome) side has maybe a dozen more people, if that
[05:57] <bur[n] er> is ubuntu-doc going to be the same svn module for Kubuntu docs?
[05:58] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: i lost you. if you mean if the root folder is ubuntu-doc, then yes
[05:58] <Madpilot> bur[n] er: inside that, there's ubuntu & kubuntu folders (among other folders...)
[05:58] <Snake__> robotgeek: how do I know what the variables are in docbook?
[05:59] <robotgeek> Snake__: if you check up the start of the xml file, it references to some ../../lib/kde.ent or something like that. 
[05:59] <Snake__> robotgeek: okay, thank you
[05:59] <Snake__> This repo is huge
[05:59] <robotgeek> Snake__: 190 MB, i think. 
[06:01] <Snake__> robotgeek: im really sorry but I dont quite understand how this svn thing works...what exactly do we do with it, and thank your for being patient
[06:01] <bur[n] er> I know I'm the new guy... but shouldn't the ubuntu and kubuntu directories have the same subfolders...  according to the wiki, ubuntu has quicktour and kubuntu quickguide... are these very different?
[06:02] <bur[n] er> Snake__: svn allows you to sync a folder to a repository to get the very very latest development code
[06:02] <Madpilot> Snake__: svn's built-in help is mostly readable - "svn help" in terminal
[06:02] <Madpilot> or "man svn"
[06:02] <Snake__> bur[n] er: okay, so what, I edit code, upload it, everyone downloads? or what
[06:02] <bur[n] er> Snake__: when you use svn to checkout something, it downloads all files in that directory and you can edit it locally...  When you are done, you sync to the directory again to get everyone else's changes, then you create a "diff" file... aka "patch"
[06:03] <bur[n] er> you submit that "patch" to someone who has svn write access
[06:03] <Snake__> Okay, in our case who has that access
[06:03] <Madpilot> Snake__: commit (upload) rights will come later - you can sent your diff files to the ubuntu-docs mailing list
[06:03] <bur[n] er> (mailing list presumably... as we peons only have read ;)
[06:03] <kkathman> Snake__:   please take some notes and I'll touch base with you tomorrow...i have an early appt in the morning..so must get ot bed :)
[06:04] <bur[n] er> Snake__: make sense?
[06:04] <Snake__> bur[n] er: kind of. So I download the latest source, do my changes locally, then upload the changed files called "Patchs" ro a mailing list?
[06:05] <bur[n] er> exactly
[06:05] <Snake__> to*
[06:05] <Snake__> where is this mailing list?
[06:05] <Madpilot> Snake__: generating a .diff and such is covered here, as well as just connecting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[06:05] <bur[n] er> and if your patch is accepted, then others will get it the next time they "svn up"
[06:05] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute gives you the nice details
[06:06] <Madpilot> Snake__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact <-- mailing list info here
[06:06] <Snake__> to download  the latest patch, I use this right
[06:06] <Snake__> ~/Projects/kubuntuguide$ svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk kubuntuguide   
[06:06] <Snake__> (Yes I told it to save to kubuntuguide instead of ubuntu-doc)
[06:06] <Madpilot> not once you're set up - just "svn up" works
[06:06] <Madpilot> in whatever directory you've got the stuff in
[06:07] <robotgeek> Madpilot: can i create  a status page on the wiki?
[06:07] <robotgeek> KubuntuDesktopGuide types?
[06:07] <Snake__> Wow....thats amazing
[06:07] <Snake__> lol
[06:07] <Snake__> snake@Laptop:~/Projects/kubuntuguide/kubuntuguide$ svn up
[06:07] <Snake__> At revision 2386.
[06:07] <Madpilot> robotgeek: I don't see why not...
[06:07] <Snake__> right?
[06:07] <bur[n] er> ooh... according to that Contribute link... yelp works with docbook files :)  I never knew
[06:07] <Madpilot> Snake__: that's what I've got
[06:07] <Snake__> Madpilot: alrighty
[06:07] <robotgeek> cool, brb
[06:08] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, hmmmm server oriented i guess
[06:08] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: hmm, yeah. that too. maybe we can share that section as an addendum between ubuntu/kubuntu
[06:09] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:09] <jsgotangco> if you can still do work for the destkop guide, you can probably add that
[06:09] <jsgotangco> if not, we can probably add it on the quickguide
[06:09] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: ^^
[06:09] <Snake__> Should I supscribe to this mailing list?
[06:09] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:10] <Snake__> jsgotangco: is that to me?
[06:10] <Snake__> lol
[06:10] <Madpilot> Snake__: it's not usually high-volume, and it's the easiest way to get your patches/diffs applied
[06:10] <jsgotangco> Snake__, as the current list admin, yeah :)
[06:11] <bur[n] er> Snake__: got a link for the ML? I wanna subscribe ;)
[06:11] <Snake__> Ya'll have to pardon my stupidity, i'm a noob to all this, and i'm getting hit with it all very very fast :)
[06:11] <Snake__> bur[n] er: 
[06:11] <Snake__> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[06:11] <jsgotangco> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[06:11] <Snake__> alright im giving you guys my non-proxy email, dont spam me :P
[06:12] <jsgotangco> its relatively low-traffic
[06:12] <jsgotangco> compared to -users
[06:12] <Snake__> Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?
[06:12] <Snake__> yes or no?
[06:12] <jsgotangco> no
[06:12] <Snake__> Okay
[06:12] <robotgeek> Snake__: about 5-10 emails a day, i prefer to get them individually, threads and stuff
[06:13] <jsgotangco> like i said, its relatively low traffic no need for digest
[06:13] <Snake__> haha my gmail is gonna fill up quick
[06:13] <Snake__> hold on im gonna make a new account for thist
[06:13] <robotgeek> Snake__: i use my gmail, it doesn't fill up :)
[06:13] <bur[n] er> Snake__: you have like 2.6 gigs with gmail!
[06:13] <Snake__> lol
[06:13] <Snake__> :)
[06:14] <Madpilot> Snake__: just create a new set of tags/filters, it's really not a high-volume list
[06:14] <Snake__> what should I be filtering?
[06:14] <Snake__> (whats the list email)
[06:15] <robotgeek> Snake__: for gmail
[06:15] <bur[n] er> s/album/article
[06:15] <Snake__> I never understood what that ment... bur[n] er 
[06:15] <Madpilot> Snake__: filter on "ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com"
[06:15] <Snake__> okay thank you Madpilot 
[06:15] <Snake__> That I understand :)
[06:15] <jsgotangco> ill go back to work first, just ping me up if any problems arise in your list subscription
[06:16] <Madpilot> I tag it with "UbDocs" when it comes it, helps me keep my Inbox semi-organized
[06:16] <Madpilot> *comes in, rather....
[06:17] <jsgotangco> heh tell that to a person subscribed to .*
[06:17] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i think i'll create it as a subpage of DocumentationTeam
[06:17] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: those of you insane enough to subscribe to the entirety of wiki.u.c deserve it... :P
[06:18] <Snake__> Well I think I got it
[06:18] <jsgotangco> yeah your brother's wiki spamming episdoe was scary
[06:18] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: even he's not insane enough to sub to the entire thing...
[06:18] <jsgotangco> that was scary, he was all alone with the wiki during the holidays
[06:19] <Madpilot> heh. minor surgery + holidays meant he didn't have a lot else to do :D
[06:20] <Snake__> How do I upload my patchs? Email them to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com in a attachment?
[06:20] <Snake__> orwhat
[06:20] <Madpilot> Snake__: yes
[06:20] <Snake__> Alrighty dity
[06:21] <Snake__> notes taken :)
[06:21] <Snake__> robotgeek: anything else I need?
[06:22] <robotgeek> Snake__: hold on a moment
[06:22] <Snake__> Yep
[06:23] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide bur[n] er Snake__ (take your picks :) )
[06:24] <Snake__> robotgeek: so theres no way to preview what im doing with these things?
[06:24] <robotgeek> Snake__: of course there is :)
[06:24] <Madpilot> Snake__: you can launch yelp & preview, or whatever help viewer KDE uses
[06:24] <Snake__> Ummm
[06:24] <Snake__> huh?
[06:24] <Snake__> lol
[06:25] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, i did not know that. i always run the ./mk script to convert to html :)
[06:25] <Snake__> robotgeek: ill handle games, and most music (Except burning)
[06:25] <Snake__> to start with
[06:25] <Madpilot> robotgeek: "yelp /path/to/foo.xml"
[06:25] <Snake__> does yelp come with kubuntu
[06:26] <robotgeek> Madpilot: thanks :)
[06:27] <robotgeek> Snake__: do you have a wiki page yet? 
[06:27] <Snake__> robotgeek: uhhh...i guess not?
[06:27] <Snake__> lol
[06:27] <robotgeek> *hint*
[06:28] <Snake__> I think I do, but I didnt know what to put there
[06:28] <Madpilot> robotgeek: note that you have to launch yelp w/ the top-level xml file, or it errors out - so desktop.xml rather than getting-started.xml, for example...
[06:28] <Snake__> robotgeek: this is mine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kenminardo
[06:28] <Snake__> I didn't know what to do with it
[06:29] <robotgeek> Snake__: no, just to link you up. 
[06:29] <Madpilot> Snake__: your life story, why Ubuntu is wonderful, etc :P
[06:29] <Madpilot> an email adress and notes about what your IRC nick is 
[06:29] <Snake__> Alright
[06:29] <Snake__> im half way there :P
[06:29] <jsgotangco> life story? seriously
[06:29] <robotgeek> Snake__: so, you are taking the common tasks except the cd burning?
[06:30] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: you did see the :P on the end, didn't you?
[06:30] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: what section might you be interested in? and wiki page?
[06:30] <Snake__> robotgeek: ill probly end up with most of them, I would take office as well, but for the time being, just mark me down for the 2...
[06:30] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:31] <robotgeek> Snake__: okay
[06:31] <bur[n] er> i'm lookin ;)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerekBuranen
[06:32] <bur[n] er> I like some of the common tasks, but I can handle any of it
[06:32] <Snake__> The kubuntu wiki is so much more pretty than ubuntus :)
[06:33] <robotgeek> Snake__: i am guessing it's just a different css
[06:33] <Madpilot> Snake__: there's a seperate kubuntu wiki?
[06:33] <Snake__> robotgeek: it is, butit looks better :)
[06:33] <Snake__> Madpilot: no, just a diffrent layout
[06:34] <Madpilot> ah, OK - shiny blooooo graphics, right?
[06:34] <Snake__> Madpilot: looks like the kubuntu homepage ;)
[06:34] <Snake__> yep
[06:35] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: you british?  (custumise as opposed to customize)
[06:35] <Snake__> bur[n] er: texan ;)
[06:36] <Madpilot> shiny blooo-ness and smaller font - cool what you can do w/ CSS, isn't it?
[06:36] <Snake__> very
[06:37] <Snake__> robotgeek: are you adding in what I wrote for adding/remove/update apps?
[06:37] <Snake__> Ooooooo
[06:37] <Snake__> I could do SK....
[06:37] <robotgeek> referesh, and add what you want to do :)
[06:38] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: i studied the Queens English for 21 years :)
[06:38] <Snake__> robotgeek: I hope that doesnt mean im taking all common tasks!? 
[06:39] <Snake__> perhaps be more specific?? Music -- Snake__ Videos -- Soandso?
[06:39] <robotgeek> Snake__: just edit and add whatever you feel like doing, i'll do the rest after you are done. 
[06:39] <Snake__> it would give us a better idea as to who is doing what, don't you agree
[06:40] <robotgeek> yeah, feel free to edit and correct :)
[06:40] <Snake__> bur[n] er: what are you doing, ill edit it in while im doing mine
[06:41] <Snake__> robotgeek: is my guide to adding/removing and updating apps getting in there? If so ill mark it off as done.
[06:41] <robotgeek> Snake__: yes, the section on "Adding, Removing and Updating Applications"
[06:42] <Snake__> Thats what I assumed
[06:42] <Snake__> okay
[06:42] <Snake__> bur[n] er: ya die on me?
[06:42] <robotgeek> Snake__: i am going to have to do all the screenshots in Dapper, tho
[06:42] <bur[n] er> nah, i'm here... sorry
[06:42] <bur[n] er> i'm going through it ;)  codecs is easy
[06:42] <bur[n] er> i'm docbook writing it already
[06:43] <Snake__> robotgeek: alright, I could get dapper on a virtual PC if it could help..
[06:43] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: are you a vim guy?
[06:43] <Snake__> bur[n] er: so your taking codecs?
[06:44] <robotgeek> http://robotgeek.org/wiki/KubuntuDesktopGuide/CommonTasks is the list of Common Tasks, kkhatman and I came up with. i'll add it in later, so that it gives us a better idea
[06:47] <Snake__> robotgeek: hows that struture look
[06:47] <Snake__> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide#preview
[06:47] <robotgeek> Snake__: i just refreshed the page, looks good
[06:48] <Snake__> altight
[06:48] <Snake__> I'm off to bed, tomorrow ill finish up writting this music thing, and try to docbook it :D
[06:48] <Snake__> night
[06:49] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: sometimes a vim guy... only when sshing, why?
[06:49] <Snake|Sleeping> Finally somewhere I can help the community :)
[06:49] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: xmledit plugin is great
[06:50] <Snake|Sleeping> robotgeek: we got issues
[06:50] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: what?
[06:50] <Snake|Sleeping> This variable thing dont make no sense in docbook
[06:50] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: right on, thanks for the tip :)  I hope to do a lot of this while actually sitting at my full on X desktop using kate though 
[06:50] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: hmm, one sec
[06:50] <Snake|Sleeping> <ulink url="&ubuntu-web;">&ubuntu-web;</ulink>
[06:50] <Snake|Sleeping> How do you know to call on ubuntu-web
[06:51] <Snake|Sleeping> its not defined anywhere
[06:52] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: hmm, it should be in a file ../../../libs/global.ent
[06:53] <Snake|Sleeping> robotgeek: ah thank you very much
[06:54] <Snake|Sleeping> robotgeek: so if I wanted to link to the gpl I would do <ulink url="&gpl-url;">GPL</ulink> ?
[06:54] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: i would think so, i'm a hack at this myself. 
[06:55] <Snake|Sleeping> heh, well didnt you write the getting-started page??
[06:56] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: as i said, i mostly editined the Ubuntu Desktop Guide counterpart
[06:57] <Snake|Sleeping> robotgeek: oh..alright. well I guess we got to learn, and we have 43 days to do it. Does the wiki accept HTML coding?
[06:57] <bur[n] er> hey Snake|Sleeping, since you're checkin stuff... tell me if <xref linkend="adept"/> is valid ;)
[06:57] <bur[n] er> the wiki does not
[06:57] <hustlebird> how do you make windows the default at startup when running with ubunutu?
[06:57] <Snake|Sleeping> bur[n] er: I have no cluewhat that mans :(
[06:58] <Snake|Sleeping> means*
[06:58] <bur[n] er> Snake|Sleeping: nm then ;)  i'll figure it out
[06:58] <Snake|Sleeping> crap im sleepy
[06:58] <Snake|Sleeping> lol
[06:58] <Snake|Sleeping> okay night
[06:58] <robotgeek> hustlebird: you might want to ask in #ubuntu, that is the support channel
[06:58] <hustlebird> thanks
[06:58] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: no html
[06:59] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: and yes, we'll get it done, not to worry
[07:05] <Snake|Sleeping> robotgeek: if I may ask, where in dapper is this going??
[07:05] <robotgeek> later all, i'm going to bed
[07:05] <Snake|Sleeping> WAiiitt
[07:05] <Snake|Sleeping> lol
[07:05] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: the help menu
[07:06] <Snake|Sleeping> robotgeek: oh okay, so no ones gonna see it?
[07:06] <Snake|Sleeping> :P
[07:06] <robotgeek> Snake|Sleeping: i hope people do
[07:06] <Snake|Sleeping> lol same
[07:07] <robotgeek> later then, cya tommorow
[07:07] <Snake|Sleeping> cya
[07:13] <Snake|Sleeping> ll
[09:03] <mdke> robotgeek_zzz, did you see that there have been lots of changes to the desktop guide recently? i dunno if you wanna incorporate that into the kubuntu version
[09:03] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[09:04] <Madpilot> mdke: so who's got admin rights over wiki.u.c - for banning users/IPs/etc?
[09:07] <mdke> the admins definitely, henrik probably
[09:07] <mdke> why?
[09:08] <mdke> ah, me sees emails
[09:08] <mdke> yes, LP admins will be able to disable the account
[09:11] <Madpilot> not the server admins, just wiki or LP admins
[09:12] <mdke> sorry?
[09:12] <Madpilot> never mind - it's late :P
[09:13] <Madpilot> Is there nobody on doc/wiki team who as admin rights over the wiki itself?
[09:13] <mdke> there are no admin rights on the wiki
[09:13] <mdke> everyone has the same rights
[09:13] <mdke> the only extra rights you can have are if you have access to the machine the wiki is hosted on
[09:13] <mdke> and the server admins have that, and henrik
[09:14] <mdke> but to disable an account, just talk to the LP guys
[09:14] <Madpilot> ah - thought it was like Mediawiki, with finer-grained access
[09:14] <mdke> it can be, but that isn't activated on our wiki
[09:14] <jsgotangco> moin can have ACLs if needed
[09:14] <manicka> mdke, has the doc-team clarified it's position on taking data from the udsf and placing it on the wiki... I'm thinking in regard to licensing issues. If there were users with enough energy... could it be done?
[09:15] <jsgotangco> you can't really stop vandals, the only way would probably lock down a page
[09:15] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: true, but disabling their accounts could/should be easy
[09:16] <mdke> manicka, i don't know. The problem is that I think the UDSF is breaking copyright by relicensing material from the forums without author permission
[09:16] <mdke> i haven't thought about it much tho
[09:16] <mdke> Madpilot, yes, disabling their LP account will do that
[09:17] <mdke> shit i have to get to work
[09:17] <Madpilot> later, mdke
[09:17] <manicka> when is the next doc-team meeting
[09:21] <Madpilot> 11th February 2006 - no time posted yet
[09:21] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
[09:39] <manicka> thanks Madpilot :)
[09:40] <Madpilot> np
[10:25] <bhuvan> :q
[10:39] <mdke> :)
[11:01] <hawking> which package should i install for php?
[01:07] <zac> i have a windows partition set up for my music collection that can't be viewed in ubuntu. is there any way to format a drive to allow for cross-platform access?
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> fat32
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> but ubuntu should be able to read ntfs fine
[01:09] <zac> awesome... i stupidly used ntfs.
[01:10] <zac> maybe it's because i'm new to linux. don't know how to access the partition if this is the case
[01:12] <zac> should i just be accessing the ntfs drive through the file browser?
[01:13] <jsgotangco> you could mount it automatically on startup
[01:13] <jsgotangco> its all in the help page :)
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> i prefer the layout of Breezy's quickguide then that of dapper :/ it was easer to find stuff :/
[03:38] <jsgotangco> really
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[04:16] <jsgotangco> night
[04:51] <mdke> Kaiser_Sleeps, if you put that in an email to the list with some suggestions, i'm sure people will read it and consider them
[05:25] <robotgeek> would anyone know where the kde menu entities are located. like "gnome-menus-C.ent", is there a kde-menus-C.ent ?
[05:25] <robotgeek> mdke: ping :
[06:40] <jjesse> robotgeek_work i don't know if there is a kde-menus-C.ent
[06:40] <jjesse> robotgeek_work  if so it would be under kubuntu/build/
[06:45] <mdke> robotgeek_work, don't think so
[06:45] <mdke> best to look at some kubuntu docs
[06:52] <jjesse> the file kde-menus-C.ent in kubuntu/libs is currently empty so i woul assume that there are none
[06:52] <jjesse> i i don't think I've used menu entities before
[06:59] <mdke> they can be quite useful if you have frequent instructions to opening programs from menus
[07:40] <robotgeek> jjesse: is it okay to create some?
[07:42] <robotgeek> mdke: ^ ?
[07:45] <jjesse> robotgeek: i would assume it would be ok to create them so we can then change the docs to correspond
[07:47] <robotgeek> jjesse: yeah, i am creating menu entries also, which are xml files. what would be the best way to submit files to be uploaded?
[07:47] <jjesse> svn upload i think?
[07:47] <jjesse> so they get added into svn
[07:47] <robotgeek> no commit rights for me yet, so just mail it in?
[07:50] <robotgeek> jjesse: ?
[07:50] <robotgeek> howdy LaserJock 
[07:53] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek
[07:54] <robotgeek> howz it going?
[07:55] <LaserJock> well, it's ok. I just got a new Intel iMac but I'm trying to get it set up so I can do Ubuntu work
[07:55] <robotgeek> nice
[07:55] <robotgeek> i saw a google video where someone had put in MS on that
[07:56] <LaserJock> really? It would take lots of work. I can't put Ubuntu on it yet
[07:56] <robotgeek> i'll link you, one sec
[07:57] <robotgeek> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7744932027146565659&q=apple
[07:58] <robotgeek> this is sony viao running OS X http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7540321621291755467&q=apple
[07:59] <LaserJock> well, that's a bit different. I want to go the other way around
[07:59] <robotgeek> what does it do? not boot up?
[08:00] <LaserJock> yeah, there is no BIOS
[08:00] <LaserJock> it is an Intel thing called EFI instead
[08:01] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. wonder how we bypass that
[08:01] <LaserJock> I think we have to write something that interacts with EFI instead of the BIOS, which I don't think will be that easy
[08:02] <jjesse> robotgeek: sorry was away, just email ubuntu-docs and soemone will add the files for u
[08:02] <LaserJock> also the graphics cards, x1600, aren't supported either 
[08:02] <robotgeek> jjesse: okay, i'll try to keep it under 40 kb this time :)
[08:02] <LaserJock> would there be any weirdnesses if I commited to the svn repo from a Mac?
[08:03] <jjesse> not that i know of i use windows sometimes
[08:03] <LaserJock> no problems with the newline characters or whatever?
[08:04] <mdke> robotgeek, yes you can create them if you think it will be useful. It might not though: maybe best just to create entities for frequently used menu items in the document itself
[08:04] <mdke> robotgeek, as for uploading them, just make a patch as usual
[08:05] <robotgeek> mdke: i am not sure whether i will use them regularly, however it's a nice way to reference applications i think. If we have to make changes, we can make it once and be done with it
[08:06] <mdke> they are only useful to tell people how to open applications, and it can be done manually quite easily
[08:07] <robotgeek> the thing is gnome menu entries are present in breezy install, kde has none
[08:08] <mdke> i dont follow
[08:08] <mdke> brb, dinner
[08:08] <robotgeek> mdke: okay
[08:31] <mhz> robotgeek: booting OSX in x86?
[08:32] <robotgeek> mhz: yes
[08:32] <robotgeek> mhz: can i tar.gz my patches and send them in?
[08:32] <mhz> robotgeek: ohhhh??????
[08:32] <robotgeek> i have 12 patches :)
[08:32] <mhz> robotgeek: how do you do install it?
[08:33] <robotgeek> mhz: hmm, no clue. it's just a google video i saw
[08:34] <robotgeek> LaserJock: can i tar.gz my patches and send them in? i have 12. 
[08:34] <LaserJock> for the packaging guide?
[08:35] <robotgeek> no, for the Kubuntu Desktop Guide. I don't have commit rights yet
[08:36] <LaserJock> well, I'm not in a good position to be commiting things at the moment. I managed to get svn installed but I'm not sure I trust it just yet. but you should be able to send a tar.gz file to the list ok I would think.
[08:36] <LaserJock> but make sure to mention what is inside ;-)
[08:36] <robotgeek> cool
[08:36] <jjesse> robotgeek: send them to me dirrectly jjesse@iserv.net i'll commit them @ work
[08:36] <mdke> robotgeek, can't you do one patch?
[08:36] <robotgeek> mdke: for the whole thing, i can do that too. 
[08:36] <mdke> that's the best plan
[08:36] <robotgeek> i tht it ws preffered to send in multiple patches
[08:37] <mdke> well in this case, it's all the same document right?
[08:37] <robotgeek> mdke: actually no, multiple files, different stuff
[08:37] <mdke> ah
[08:37] <mdke> a patch for each doc I'd say
[08:37] <robotgeek> yeah, that's how i have it
[08:38] <robotgeek> i also have a cheap patching script :)
[08:38] <mdke> 12 docs?!?
[08:38] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, the menu files are about 4/5 of them
[08:39] <robotgeek> 6 actually, and the rest are patches for the rest of the stuff, an entry here and there
[08:48] <mdke> cool, I'd say separate patches for each document, single patch for menu files
[08:49] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, good that you caught me, i was about to press mail :)
[08:55] <Snake__> robotgeek: Yo
[08:55] <robotgeek> hey Snake__ 
[08:57] <Snake__> robotgeek: so I only need to write the XML files, nothing else right?
[08:58] <robotgeek> Snake__: yes
[08:58] <Snake__> Alright
[08:58] <Snake__> robotgeek: whats the script for?
[08:59] <robotgeek> Snake__: give me a minute
[08:59] <Snake__> No problem
[09:27] <Snake__> Can anyone here help a noobie with docbook?
[09:27] <mdke> Snake__, yes, go ahead
[09:27] <mdke> we'll try
[09:27] <Snake__> mdke: okay, im helping write the kubuntu desktop guide, and...ahh crap one min konq froze
[09:28] <Snake__> Ugh.
[09:28] <Snake__> mdke: sorry, my computers a bit on the slow side, i need to re-open the file
[09:29] <mdke> ok, which file are you working on
[09:30] <Snake__> mdke: i'm writing a new one, but I was just going to edit the "getting-started.xml" since I dont really kno docbook
[09:30] <mdke> right, that's the best way
[09:31] <bur[n] er> Snake__: don't you wanna edit common-tasks.xml ?
[09:31] <Snake__> mdke: i'm not sure what to put in the title, or anything like that
[09:31] <mdke> title of what?
[09:32] <Snake__> mdke: the tags, it says <title id="soandso"> etc etc....i'm not sure what to put because I have to customize it to work in my section of the guide right?
[09:32] <bur[n] er> Snake__: you workin on the music part?
[09:32] <Snake__> <chapter id="getting-started-chap"> , what im writing up is going..i guess in the "common tasks" chaptoer
[09:32] <mdke> you don't need an id for the title tag. As for the content, that's really up to you: the title of a chapter/section depends on what is in it
[09:32] <Snake__> bur[n] er: yes
[09:32] <bur[n] er> Snake__: so instead of getting-started.xml... open common-tasks.xml
[09:32] <bur[n] er> did you do an svn checkout?
[09:33] <Snake__> bur[n] er: yes
[09:33] <jjesse> robotgeek_away: i'm patching and commitng your email
[09:33] <bur[n] er> so go to kubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks.xml and edit the music part :) and make a .diff file
[09:34] <mdke> senses*
[09:34] <bur[n] er> Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz - 512 MB here :)
[09:34] <Snake__> mdke: No sir, Ohio born and raised :)
[09:34] <mdke> hmm "arse"?
[09:34] <Snake__> P3 900 mhz, 512 mb
[09:34] <Snake__> I didnt want to swear
[09:34] <bur[n] er> lol
[09:34] <mdke> i thought americans all say ass
[09:35] <Snake__> We do :)
[09:35] <bur[n] er> americans say ass on tv ;)
[09:35] <mdke> anyhow
[09:35] <Snake__> Yea
[09:35] <bur[n] er> yeah, sorry off-topic ;)  
[09:35] <bur[n] er> follow me on that common-tasks.xml thing Snake__ ?
[09:35] <Snake__> So I dont have to start my own file?? I just edit this one bur[n] er ?
[09:35] <bur[n] er> Snake__: right
[09:35] <mdke> that's right
[09:35] <bur[n] er> Snake__: then do "svn diff common-tasks.xml common-tasks.xml.diff" when you're done
[09:35] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute has some good instructions for how to work Snake__ 
[09:36] <bur[n] er> make sure to test it with "yelp common-tasks.xml" to make sure it opens first
[09:36] <Snake__> Oh wow that just made my life so much more easier
[09:36] <Snake__> I was under the impression that I had to start my own xml file :)
[09:36] <mhz> .oO(isn't it arse for irish lads?)
[09:36] <mdke> no, no
[09:36] <bur[n] er> Snake__: this time read that Contribute link ;)
[09:36] <Snake__> bur[n] er: I did, cant really say I understood it all tho :P
[09:36] <bur[n] er> Snake__: right on... I think I got it down, so feel free to ask... no one committed my patch though
[09:36] <mdke> mail the list if it isn't clear, we'll change it
[09:37] <mdke> but it should be fairly clear
[09:37] <mdke> bur[n] er, which patch was that?
[09:37] <jjesse> boy it sure is nice seeing more people contribute
[09:37] <jjesse> ;0
[09:37] <mdke> jjesse, you betcha
[09:37] <bur[n] er> mdke: My First Patch was the email subject... but I didn't send it from my subscribed account... so it may have been disregarded
[09:37] <bur[n] er> mdke: should I resend it?
[09:38] <Snake__> jjesse: Hehe i've been on kubuntu a month, I love it with my heart and soul, im gonna give it all I can :). I would help with bug fix, but im not much of a programmer
[09:38] <mdke> bur[n] er, you would have got an email saying "pending moderation"
[09:38] <mdke> bur[n] er, did it appear on the list?
[09:38] <mdke> bur[n] er, http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc
[09:38] <bur[n] er> mdke: it didn't come to the list, but I did get the pending email
[09:38] <mdke> bur[n] er, resend, or wait for it to get moderated, I guess
[09:38] <mdke> if you resend, cancel the previous one
[09:39] <bur[n] er> I can cancel?
[09:39] <mdke> yeah, read the "pending" email :)
[09:39] <Snake__> How long does it take for moderation and for patchs to be added?
[09:39] <bur[n] er> mdke: i deleted it ;)
[09:39] <Snake__> on a norm
[09:40] <mdke> Snake__, if you subscribe, no moderation is needed for mails to get to the list. As for applying patches, it depends on what document you're working on, but it should only be a day or two
[09:40] <mdke> for kubuntu, jjesse will commit things
[09:40] <bur[n] er> is it cool if I resend using my subscribed account without cancelling the previous one?
[09:40] <mdke> Snake__, it is a good idea to subscribe to the commit mailing list too 
[09:40] <mdke> bur[n] er, yeah
[09:40] <Snake__> mdke: I think im part of that
[09:41] <Snake__> bur[n] er: what did we sign up for yesterday?
[09:41] <mdke> the normal mailing list probably
[09:41] <bur[n] er> Snake__: the mailing list... I just have multiple emails and sent it from a different one
[09:41] <mdke> there is a commit mailing list, which notifies you of each upload to the repository
[09:41] <mdke> it's quite useful
[09:42] <Snake__> alright all check into that, but write now I want to write this xml file
[09:42] <mdke> okay :)
[09:42] <bur[n] er> Snake__: slacker ;)
[09:43] <Snake__> bur[n] er: slacker my butt!
[09:43] <Snake__> bur[n] er: i'm writing a report for english atm too :P
[09:43] <Snake__> Then I have a essay I got to write for science :(
[09:43] <mdke> bah
[09:43] <mdke> prioritise
[09:43] <mdke> :)
[09:44] <mdke> i'm off
[09:44] <mdke> good luck, and if you run into trouble, check that link
[09:44] <Snake__> Okie dokie
[09:44] <Snake__> thanks mdke 
[09:46] <Snake__> Oh no
[09:46] <Snake__> lol cya bur[n] er 
[09:51] <Snake__> robotgeek: how do I make a list in docbook
[09:52] <LaserJock> Snake__: what kind of list?
[09:52] <Snake__> LaserJock: just a numbered lsit
[09:53] <LaserJock> Snake__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocBookReference has some info
[09:53] <LaserJock> Snake__: I think you want <orderedlist>
[09:54] <LaserJock> so http://opensource.bureau-cornavin.com/crash-course/orderedlist.html has what you want ;-)
[09:54] <Snake__> LaserJock: thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthank 1000x over
[09:54] <Snake__> ive been looking for something like that refrence forever
[09:55] <Snake__> LaserJock: and yep thatll due
[09:55] <robotgeek> phew, phone call
[09:55] <Snake__> hehe
[09:56] <LaserJock> Snake__: np, that's what we are here for :-)
[09:57] <Snake__> robotgeek: 4 days!?
[09:58] <robotgeek> Snake__: that's why i was hoping, lol
[09:58] <Snake__> lol
[09:58] <robotgeek> when you dream, dream big
[09:59] <Snake__> robotgeek: ill be done with mine thursday/friday, hopefully
[09:59] <robotgeek> Snake__: cool
[09:59] <Snake__> My whole 2 parts :P, then I can help somewhere else if needed
[10:00] <robotgeek> i will attack chapter 3 today
[10:10] <jjesse> robotgeek: where does global.ent.patch and mk.patch get applied to?
[10:10] <robotgeek> jjesse: global thing gets applied to libs/global.ent , it only adds an url for kubuntu-support page
[10:11] <robotgeek> mk.patch to kubuntu/desktopguide/C/mk 
[10:13] <jjesse> ok everything should be applied
[10:20] <robotgeek> jjesse: thanks, i just svn updated :)
[10:22] <mdke> robotgeek, don't worry too much about the mk file, it's not used by kubuntu
[10:23] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, okay. i just build my previews using that file
[10:24] <mdke> robotgeek, ok, we'll need to give it a bit of thought
[10:25] <mdke> I like decentralised makefiles, it's easier for translations
[10:25] <robotgeek> mdke: yeah, i hadn't thought of that. 
[10:26] <robotgeek> mdke: i am not comfortable with make files yet, will you be able to help me with that?
[10:27] <jjesse> is there no make file for the desktopguide?
[10:27] <mdke> robotgeek, yes I will indeed
[10:27] <robotgeek> nope, just some script which runsxsltproc
[10:31] <mdke> jjesse, in the Ubuntu version, I call a separate make script
[10:31] <mdke> i think we'll try and do the same for the kubuntu one
[10:31] <jjesse> i like it when we can make things similar and doing so makes things easier
[10:32] <mdke> *nods*
[10:32] <robotgeek> jjesse: i copied the mk file from the ubuntu desktop guide, it is still there
[10:32] <robotgeek> i just modified it to reflect kde stuff
[10:33] <mdke> robotgeek, kde uses some different build tools, we'll sort it out, dont worry
[10:34] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, okay. i assumed the doc uses the same things. 
[10:34] <jjesse> for all kubuntu docs we use the kde build tools
[10:34] <mdke> fraid not, at the moment.
[10:34] <jjesse> feel free to correct me if wrong
[10:35] <robotgeek> hmm, will i need to change the xml stuff?
[10:35] <mdke> nope
[10:35] <mdke> just look after the xml, we'll sort out the build stuff
[10:36] <jjesse> that's all i do :)  i'd probablly break stuff 
[10:36] <robotgeek> sounds good to me
[10:42] <robotgeek> jjesse: don't apply bur[n] er's patch just yet
[10:42] <Snake__> Ill brb, time to eat
[11:00] <Snake__> Back