[12:15] <sorush20> please put firefox 1.5 in the repositories  please
[12:18] <Seveas> sorush20, it is. for dapper
[12:19] <sorush20> Seveas: If I change the repositories to dapper now I'm sure things will messup since I made the sources.lits from source-o-matic.. 
[12:20] <sorush20> dapper is going to be release in two months right? 
[12:20] <Seveas> 3
[12:20] <sorush20> Seveas: oh okay.. 
[12:20] <Seveas> 2.5 actually, april 20
[01:05] <sorush20> are you guys rushing to get things working ? 
[01:18] <Riddell> sorush20: -> #ubuntu
[02:09] <mruiz> 
[12:43] <Seveas> T minus 16 minutes
[12:43] <sivang> CC meeting soon?
[12:43] <Seveas> Anyone awake yet?
[12:43] <Seveas> sivang, yup
[12:43] <Kamion> yes
[12:44] <Kamion> FSVO awake
[12:44] <Seveas> FSVO?
[12:44] <Seveas> for some value of?
[12:44] <Kinnison> hmm, not yet
[12:44] <Kinnison> ogra: coo ta
[12:45] <Kamion> Seveas: http://www.google.com/search?q=FSVO
[12:46] <ogra> lol
[12:46] <ogra> Seveas, yes, you can be i guess
[12:46] <sivang> why , he would make a great rara girl :)
[12:48] <jsgotangco> atie, hi
[12:48] <atie> hello, everyone
[12:48] <atie> highvoltage, Jerome
[12:48] <jsgotangco> still early :)
[12:49] <atie> jsgotangco, how was the meeting in Seoul?
[12:49] <jsgotangco> atie, i didnt go to seoul
[12:49] <atie> jsgotangco, sorry to hear that.
[12:50] <jsgotangco> hopefully sabdfl comes online
[12:50] <atie> jsgotangco, I'm here for membership could you be a my fanclub? ^^
[12:50] <jsgotangco> oh you've done lots already
[12:50] <jsgotangco> you've worked with cjk
[12:51] <Seveas> we need more people on CJK
[12:51] <atie> Seveas, thanks.
[12:52] <jsgotangco> yes
[12:52] <jsgotangco> like ming said before, theres huge interest but needs more love
[12:52] <atie> I am bit relaxed, you guys knew your first time at meeting. 
[12:53] <Seveas> there's no need to be nervous, we're not the spanish inquisition :)
[12:53] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:55] <Gloubiboulga> hey Tonio_ 
[12:55] <Tonio_> hi all, hi Gloubiboulga 
[12:55] <Seveas> I hope enough CC members will be around, it's 6am for mako and sabdfl is on tour...
[12:55] <jsgotangco> yeah but if sabdfl is still in seoul itws only 9pm there
[12:56] <Seveas> but he probably won't have time :)
[12:57] <jsgotangco> oh well at least we had lunch together when he was here
[01:00] <Kamion> meh, er, may have been a dropped ball here
[01:00] <OgMaciel> morning all
[01:00] <jsgotangco> hallo hallo
[01:00] <Kamion> the last mail I have indicates that Mark wanted to do this CC meeting at 2200 UTC yesterday
[01:00] <OgMaciel> jsgotangco, =)
[01:00] <Kamion> but we obviously never actually set that officially - and I was sick yesterday anyway
[01:01] <Kamion> sabdfl is mid-flight at the moment
[01:01] <jsgotangco> ahh
[01:01] <OgMaciel> not much going on today as per the agenda, huh?
[01:01] <jsgotangco> too bad
[01:01] <Kamion> I'll SMS mako on the off-chance
[01:01] <raphink> hi there
[01:02] <jsgotangco> we have a light agenda anyways
[01:02] <mhz> hi all
[01:02] <OgMaciel> mhz, hey
[01:02] <mhz> hi OgMaciel 
[01:04] <jsgotangco> ohh
[01:05] <Kamion> SMSed mako and elmo, can't do much more unless/until both of them arrive unfortunately
[01:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:05] <Kamion> if they don't appear, we'll try to organise something to get through some member candidates
[01:05] <mhz> jsgotangco: is it me or time for meetings was going to rotate
[01:05] <jsgotangco> mhz, docteam? it should rotate
[01:05] <jsgotangco> CC rotates too
[01:06] <Seveas> mhz, it is rotating for CC
[01:06] <Kamion> last meeting certainly wasn't 1200
[01:06] <mhz> oh, I missed lastone
[01:06] <OgMaciel> Seveas, sup bud? ;)
[01:06] <mhz> ;)
[01:06] <jsgotangco> yeah 1200 is strange for CC
[01:06] <jsgotangco> its usually later
[01:06] <Seveas> it's the first one at 12:00 afaik
[01:06] <mhz> 12 UTC is 09:00 in chile
[01:07] <mhz> i like 12 utc :D
[01:07] <jsgotangco> too early for most
[01:07] <Kamion> mako suggested the 1200 time, we figured if he didn't mind it was OK by the rest of us
[01:07] <jsgotangco> ok
[01:07] <jsgotangco> 1 more
[01:07] <highvoltage> hi atie 
[01:07] <Seveas> 2 down, 1 to go :)
[01:07] <Seveas> welcome elmo
[01:07] <mhz> hehehe
[01:07] <Kamion> elmo: I'm not entirely convinced mako's going to show up
[01:08] <jsgotangco> i think its only 6am on this side
[01:08] <jsgotangco> or earlier
[01:08] <Kamion> elmo: the e-mail thread we had actually scheduled this meeting for 2200 last night
[01:08] <elmo> Kamion: woops
[01:08] <Kamion> but I was out of it then and wouldn't have noticed even if I had remembered
[01:08] <elmo> have we phoned him yet and/or tried mark?
[01:08] <Kamion> I've SMSed mako; mark's in-flight
[01:08] <Kamion> (the latter's why we rescheduled)
[01:10] <Kamion> I'll try phoning
[01:11] <Kamion> voicemail
[01:11] <Seveas> which TZ is boston in?
[01:11] <Kamion> -5
[01:11] <Seveas> so 7am
[01:11] <atie> yes 7am there
[01:12] <mhz> .oO(oh, european seem to wake up earlier?)
[01:12] <jsgotangco> of course
[01:13] <Kamion> so, who is here out of the new member candidates?
[01:13] <atie> me
[01:13] <Kinnison> me
[01:13] <dous> me too
[01:13] <Gloubiboulga> me
[01:13] <Kamion> Patrick Davies?
[01:13] <Riddell> jpatrick is (he's gone for 10 mins though)
[01:14] <jsgotangco> Kinnison, you? =)
[01:14] <Kinnison> jsgotangco: Pardon?
[01:14] <Seveas> Gloubiboulga, -> Gauvain?
[01:14] <Gloubiboulga> Seveas, yes
[01:14] <jsgotangco> ok
[01:14] <Keybuk> Kinnison: you're not paying attention, AND NOW YOU GO HUNGRY!
[01:14] <raphink> :)
[01:14] <Kinnison> Keybuk: sorry, was busy with launchpad, blame kamion
[01:15] <Kamion> ok, I guess we can at least go through people and then collect acks from mako/sabdfl later on
[01:15] <Seveas> sounds like a plan
[01:15] <Kamion> APPROVALS AT THIS MEETING DO NOT CONSTITUTE ACTUAL APPROVAL FOR UBUNTUMEMBERS
[01:15] <Kamion> thank you :)
[01:15] <jsgotangco> cool
[01:15] <raphink> oh!
[01:15] <Kamion> (since people have got confused in the past)
[01:15] <raphink> Kamion: how come?
[01:15] <Kamion> raphink: inquorate
[01:15] <Seveas> BUT ARE A GOOD INDICATION THAT YOU WILL BE ACCEPTED
[01:15] <Seveas> OR NOT
[01:16] <jsgotangco> but 2 votes are shoo-in?
[01:16] <raphink> I CAN'T HEAR PLEASE SPEAK LOUDER
[01:16] <Kamion> jsgotangco: 3 required
[01:16] <raphink> ok
[01:16] <jsgotangco> right
[01:16] <Seveas> ok, let's start calling names
[01:16] <raphink> hi Seveas btw, nice to see you around :)
[01:18] <Seveas> veryy well, a bit quiet today but that shouldn't hurt
[01:18] <jsgotangco> CC lite :)
[01:18] <sivang> quite ? :)
[01:18] <Kamion> I'll assume jpatrick isn't back yet and go straight to dous
[01:18] <Seveas> given that jpatrick is away, dous: you're up. Please give us your 3-liner
[01:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: LOL
[01:18] <dous> I'm a 21 year-old system administrator from the Philippines. I've been using GNU/Linux since around 2002 and tried several distributions before settling on Debian and Ubuntu last year. I first tried Ubuntu during the Warty release.
[01:19] <dous> It was only last year that I learned about #ubuntu-ph and started to help out with doing some translation work and advocacy/support. Before that, I was already interested in doing packaging/maintenance for Java packages in Debian.
[01:19] <dous> My current work and plans include Tagalog translation and helping out on Java packages and motujava work. Then, once things get settled at my new work, I'll start contributing more on server-related matters.
[01:19] <dous> :)
[01:19] <Seveas> More people from the philippines - BusinessTour effect or is jsgotangco spamming heavily?
[01:19] <jsgotangco> lol
[01:19] <jsgotangco> nah he's been with us from the start
[01:19] <Kamion> dous: your translation activity seems to have fallen off this year; are you still interested in keeping that up?
[01:19] <jsgotangco> doing some translations lately
[01:20] <dous> Kamion, yes. It's just that I moved to a new job this january
[01:20] <dous> Kamion, I don't have broadband at home so I usually do foss work during free time at work
[01:20] <Kamion> ok, fair enough
[01:20] <Kamion> you mention you've been helping with support tickets
[01:20] <dous> jsgotangco, :)
[01:21] <Kamion> the support system's fairly new and has never actually been announced :) what's your impression of the situation there?
[01:22] <dous> well, when I have free time I just look at the list of requests and try to comment on anything that I have knowledge about
[01:22] <Seveas> so just like one would do on a mailing list
[01:22] <Kamion> my question is really whether the list of requests is getting out of control or not
[01:22] <dous> some submitters seems to lose track of their requests though
[01:23] <jsgotangco> but they're subcribed to it from the start
[01:23] <Kamion> what do the other Philippines folks think of dous' advocacy activity?
[01:23] <dous> they don't come back to comment on answers to their requests sometimes
[01:23] <dous> so I can't confirm if my answers have solved their problem
[01:23] <Kamion> that much is inevitable, I think
[01:23] <Seveas> dous, that's the same in any bugtracker, people lose interest
[01:24] <jsgotangco> pretty good although i would love more Rosetta love
[01:24] <raphink> :)
[01:24] <jsgotangco> it doesn't take that much to translate 10 lines  a day :)
[01:24] <Seveas> "10 lines a day keeps the evil jsgotangco away"
[01:24] <raphink> lol
[01:24] <jsgotangco> but its more into our local setup
[01:24] <irvin> ack for dous 
[01:24] <Seveas> that should be the translator motto ;)
[01:25] <dous> Kamion, more volunteers would be much appreciated. it's not out of control yet, imho.. :)
[01:25] <Kamion> ok, well I'm happy to see somebody doing Java bug gardening too
[01:25] <Kamion> elmo?
[01:25] <Seveas> Launchpad activity so far is limited to nov-23 to dec-23
[01:25] <Seveas> which is only one month
[01:25] <irvin> jsgotangco will setting be tighter control on translations
[01:25] <Kamion> Seveas: you misunderstand the karma listing 
[01:25] <Kamion> Seveas: it doesn't go back forever
[01:25] <Seveas> right
[01:25] <elmo> ack
[01:26] <dous> Seveas, yeah.. but it's harder to make improvements with little feedback :(
[01:26] <jpatrick> Kamion: I'm back sorrt
[01:26] <Kamion> for instance according to https://launchpad.net/people/kamion/+karma I've only been active since 2006-01-27 :-P
[01:26] <Seveas> Kamion, that sounds pretty accurate :p
[01:26] <dous> hehe
[01:26] <Seveas> anyway, both present CC members ack'ed so it's up to mako/mark now
[01:27] <jsgotangco> irc hah
[01:27] <Seveas> thanks for coming dous, we'll let you know what the final 'judgement' is :)
[01:27] <dous> Seveas, thanks a lot! :)
[01:27] <mhz> (and talks)
[01:27] <raphink> Kamion: you could be more active then :p hehe
[01:27] <Seveas> jpatrick, you're up for the 3-liner
[01:27] <Kamion> wait
[01:28] <dous> mhz, that would be cool.. 8-)
[01:28] <Kamion> Kinnison has to leave at 1300; I'd like to bring him forward
[01:28] <Seveas> ok
[01:28] <ogra> ++
[01:28] <Kamion> Kinnison: ?
[01:28] <Kinnison> Hi, I am Daniel Silverstone, 25 yrs old, UK based, and I have been working on Launchpad for the past 14 months (in particular I am primarily responsible for the Soyuz backend) and have in my spare time done various things for Ubuntu, centred primarily around Toshiba laptop support. I have also been a Debian developer for about five years now.
[01:28] <Kinnison> In particular I have written the new toshiba_acpi kernel module support for punting the hotkeys into the ACPI subsystem, support for this in fnfxd and acpi-support. I was also the Debian maintainer of lua50 and lua40 for quite a while and a Debian ftpmaster for some time.
[01:28] <Kinnison> I intend to work on general bug fixing as part of the ubuntu core development team during the dapper timeframe and then more generally on laptop support for toshibas and various general laptop related work.
[01:28] <jsgotangco> go toshiba
[01:28] <ogra> cheer cheer cheer !
[01:29] <Kamion> Kinnison: do you expect you'll be getting some of the laptop stuff done pre-dapper?
[01:29] <Kinnison> Kamion: yes, I have been fixing bugs in gnome-power-manager since I first installed dapper last night :-)
[01:29] <Kamion> heh
[01:29] <Kamion> so does g-p-m
[01:29] <jsgotangco> "my"
[01:30] <ogra> Kamion, his fix will be in todays g-p-m upload :)
[01:30] <Mithrandir> I think we should approve Kinnison since he's so cuddly. :-)
[01:30] <ogra> Mithrandir++
[01:30] <jsgotangco> :)
[01:30] <raphink> :)
[01:30] <Tonio_> ;)
[01:30] <Kamion> full disclosure, Kinnison's a Canonical employee, we all know him, and basically he's been doing lots of useful stuff forever. any objections?
[01:30] <Kamion> (kthxbye)
[01:30] <Seveas> none at all
[01:31] <ogra> :)
[01:31] <raphink> it's just quite logical forhim to be ine
[01:31] <raphink> in
[01:31] <irvin> :)
[01:31] <Kamion> I suppose it remains to be seen whether Soyuz is a positive contribution to Ubuntu ;-)
[01:31] <sivang> go Kinnison  !
[01:31] <raphink> irvin: yeah
[01:31] <Tonio_> raphink++
[01:31] <ogra> Kamion, *giggle*
[01:31] <Seveas> Kamion, bwahaha :)
[01:31] <jsgotangco> +1 for the cuddliness?
[01:31] <Kamion> irvin: he's moving to the Canonical distro team for a while, it's part of the job
[01:32] <sivang> +2 for cuddliness
[01:32] <Kamion> elmo: ?
[01:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, nah, more than +10 :)
[01:32] <jsgotangco> not to mention mao master
[01:32] <sivang> indeed
[01:32] <elmo> ack
[01:33] <Seveas> cool beans 
[01:33] <Kamion> jpatrick: you're up
[01:33] <Kinnison> thanks guys
[01:33] <ogra> congrats 
[01:33] <Kinnison> urgh
[01:33] <sivang> Kinnison: welcome aboard :-)
[01:33] <jsgotangco> oh well
[01:33] <Seveas> Kinnison, have fun :)
[01:33] <Seveas> sivang, not yet :)
[01:33] <Kinnison> sivang: well, pending mako/sabdfl
[01:33] <Kamion> sivang: point of order, not without a third vote
[01:33] <raphink> welcome to the team Kinnison 
[01:33] <Kamion> (END of point of order.)
[01:33] <raphink> oh yes right
[01:33] <raphink> sorry ;)
[01:33] <sivang> Kamion: heh, noted :)
[01:33] <Seveas> jpatrick, ?
[01:33] <jpatrick> I am Jonathan Patrick Davies. Currently living in Girona, Catalonia, Spain - although I am originally from London (UK). Been using Linux since around Kubuntu's first release. And I'm a member of the Kubuntu Team
[01:33] <raphink> almost welcome to the team Kinnison 
[01:34] <mhz> Kinnison: welcome!!!!
[01:34] <jpatrick> I make KDE packages and help out on the forums and am am admin of kubuntu-es.org
[01:34] <ogra> jpatrick, is quite busy in -motu with this strange desktop stuff starting with the K :)
[01:34] <raphink> jpatrick packages quite a lot, we see good packages from him on REVU
[01:35] <jpatrick> I also do some translations at Rosetta
[01:35] <raphink> he's quite an active kubuntu dev for sure :)
[01:35] <Seveas> jpatrick, you say you repackaged yakuake? Why - doesn't it create an unneccessary diff with Debian?
[01:35] <ogra> i bet Riddell might also want to speak up for him
[01:35] <Tonio_> yep, very active on REVU
[01:35] <jpatrick> Seveas: Mez took over take
[01:35] <Riddell> jpatrick helps out in numberous ways, I fully support his membership
[01:35] <jpatrick> that*
[01:35] <raphink> :)
[01:35] <Seveas> woah - translator karma of doom
[01:35] <Riddell> Seveas: it was packaged in kubuntu long before debian did it
[01:35] <zakame> hi all
[01:36] <Kamion> urgh, looks like repackaging to add a patch system
[01:36] <Kamion> fair enough in this specific case from the sound of it, but in general do try to avoid that
[01:36] <jsgotangco> 2318 karma nice
[01:36] <mhz> zakame: hi.. so far, 1 candidate 'under consideration', 1 new memeber, evaluating jpatrick 
[01:37] <zakame> heya mhz :) thanks for updating
[01:37] <Kamion> that's a hell of a lot of karma for en_GB - I didn't think that many translations that were actually distinct from the original could be fitted in ;)
[01:37] <elmo> Kamion: if we did it first, I think it's hard for people to complain about our use of patch systems
[01:37] <Kamion> elmo: as I say, fair enough in this specific case
[01:37] <jpatrick> Kamion: I still have to start ca and es but I'm waiting for the K apps
[01:38] <elmo> jpatrick: K apps?
[01:38] <jpatrick> KDE
[01:38] <elmo> sure, but what are you waiting for?
[01:38] <Mez> Sevea: the diff with debian is becuse jpatrcik created yakuake package first - debian dev decided to do it differently
[01:38] <Riddell> KDE still isn't in rosetta (will be when dapper gets imported)
[01:39] <elmo> ah, I see
[01:39] <elmo> Riddell: how come?
[01:39] <elmo> Riddell: and when is dapper due to be imported?
[01:39] <Riddell> elmo: the .pot files were not generated in the breezy packages, we had to sort out that gettext-kde issue.  dapper will be imported at string freeze I think
[01:39] <ogra> for the time being you could translate kino to feel more at home even if its a gtk app :)
[01:40] <elmo> oh, right, gettext-kde, *gag*
[01:40] <raphink> hehe
[01:40] <Seveas> well, jpatrick gets a ++ from me, contributions look s&s
[01:40] <Riddell> (you'll be pleased to know that KDE 4 has now been changed to current GNU gettext)
[01:40] <Kamion> Riddell: (hooray)
[01:40] <raphink> ++ for jpatrick :)
[01:41] <hunger> yeah, jpatrick did lots of debs I am using. If I may vote I'll ++ for jpatrick.
[01:41] <raphink> Riddell: which means we won't need kde pot dirty patches in kde 4 :)
[01:41] <Kamion> as usual, voting is restricted to CC members
[01:41] <jsgotangco> awesome karma too
[01:41] <ogra> but you can cheer ;)
[01:41] <Seveas> Kamion, it was a cheer, not a vote
[01:41] <Kamion> anyway, I'm happy with jpatrick's contributions so far
[01:42] <elmo> how do I see the specific translations  a person's done in launchpad, or can I stil lnot?
[01:42] <elmo> yeah, ack from me too
[01:42] <Kamion> (Kubuntu-wise anyway, I have no idea about the en_GB stuff yet)
[01:42] <jpatrick> Mez: I missed the early meetings :(
[01:42] <jpatrick> elmo: https://launchpad.net/people/jpatrick/+translations ?
[01:42] <Mez> jpatricks done quire a bit en_GB stuff I believe (lol - though I havent for a while - and i run that team!)
[01:43] <Seveas> jpatrick, that does not list the individual translations
[01:43] <Seveas> anyway, 2 acks from the CC is all we'll get for now
[01:43] <jpatrick> ah right
[01:43] <Seveas> jpatrick, thanks for coming!
[01:43] <jpatrick> no problem :)
[01:44] <Seveas> Gloubiboulga is next
[01:44] <Gloubiboulga> I'm Gauvain Pocentek, a 26 years old french music student. I'm an (x)ubuntu user since the warty release. I've spent a lot of time on irc and forums helping users during the last months, trying to make their Ubuntu life easier. I have also worked on more technical stuff, like packaging, bugs reports/patches and a few merges/syncs. I have now a little experience in packaging, and try to help new packagers, with some comments on REVU (which make
[01:44] <Gloubiboulga> s me improve my packaging skill too).
[01:44] <Gloubiboulga> For the future, I really want to keep helping user, because the quality of the Ubuntu community is certainly a huge advantage for Ubuntu (and of course its technical quality, but everyone here is concerned by this). I also plan to keep helping with bugs stuff, merges for dapper+1, packaging...
[01:44] <Gloubiboulga> I also really think about french translations of some wiki.u.c pages about how to help Ubuntu, because we don't have a lot of doc about this on French web pages.
[01:44] <raphink> Gloubiboulga is very active on REVU and in the MOTU world in general, as well as in #ubuntu-fr. He has begun to send me reviews for REVU lately, and I've been happy to sponsor since they are of very good quality.
[01:45] <raphink> I would be veyr happy with his membership :)
[01:45] <jsgotangco> music interesting..i've seen a music project in the forums too
[01:46] <Tonio_> raphink++, nothing more to say to me ;)
[01:46] <Kamion> nice to see lilypond is still alive; what's the state of development there?
[01:46] <raphink> Gloubiboulga is an emacs music hacker ;)
[01:46] <Gloubiboulga> version 2.7.32 is out, with a lot of improvments :)
[01:47] <Gloubiboulga> I'm currently working of the docs' translation
[01:47] <Kamion> (from the point of view of somebody who last looked at it in about 2002)
[01:47] <mhz> .oO(ig Gloubiboulga is a mac user then that's an incredible contribution already :D )
[01:47] <Gloubiboulga> Kamion, 2002 is far far away :)
[01:47] <Seveas> any other MOTU to vouch for packaging work?
[01:47] <raphink> Kamion: lilypong has changed a lot since. It now integrates in LaTeX fully iirc
[01:47] <mhz> .oO(ig Gloubiboulga is an  emac user then that's an incredible contribution already :D )
[01:47] <zakame> raphink: emacs!
[01:47] <Gloubiboulga> mhz, :)
[01:48] <raphink> zakame: pico!
[01:48] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: anything with emacs gets my nod ;)
[01:48] <jsgotangco> bah
[01:48] <zakame> Seveas: I've seen Gloubiboulga do good work, I'd love to have him aboard :)
[01:49] <Seveas> hmm, siretart, poke
[01:49] <Seveas> could you make something in REVU so it is easy to see someones contribution there?
[01:50] <raphink> Seveas: you can read the motu-reviewers ML to see contributions
[01:50] <raphink> ;)
[01:50] <elmo> ack from me
[01:50] <elmo> (brb)
[01:50] <Seveas> raphink, during CC meetings, when we want to check such things, it is nice to have an overview
[01:50] <raphink> grep for gauvain in the ML you'll see ;)
[01:50] <Seveas> just like launchpad/wiki
[01:50] <raphink> sure Seveas 
[01:51] <zakame> raphink++
[01:51] <Seveas> Gloubiboulga's contribution so far looks well, I give him a \o/ (that's a cheer)
[01:51] <Kamion> Gauvain has several mentions on dapper-changes so far, which makes me happy
[01:51] <raphink> oh nice cheer :)
[01:51] <Kamion> keep it up
[01:51] <Kamion> ack from me
[01:51] <raphink> \o_   \o/  _o/ 
[01:52] <Gloubiboulga> thanks :)
[01:52] <jsgotangco> nice one
[01:52] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: rock on :D
[01:52] <Seveas> ok, cool, Kamion happy, elmo acked, so we're down to the next and last one already. Gloubiboulga thanks for coming and keep up the good work
[01:52] <Seveas> atie, you're up :)
[01:52] <atie> My name is Chris Ha. I live in Houston, work for a company as developer.
[01:52] <atie> My Ubuntu work started with making my comments and researches to the BetterCJKSupport wiki since November last year and as Day 1 Dapper user, I made number of bug reportings mostly beta user and CJK user concerns.
[01:52] <atie> With that I was thinkg it better to be some sort of team so discussed with Korean Ubuntu users and established Ubuntu Korean LoCoTeam. I am acting as contact for KoreanTeam, our team members are about 25 people. Also, there is Ubuntu CJK Testers team including 4 CJK LoCoTeam contacts about a month now.
[01:52] <atie> My main concern at this point is about translations for Dapper, by myself I translated some Dapper packages and products, and coordinating with Ubuntu and GNOME translators in Korea to prepare upcoming translations. Meanwhile myself and KoreanTeam are doing some translations and documentations to the Devel wiki at ubuntu.or.kr .
[01:52] <atie> I may put too many lines here, because I'd like to use Ubuntu/Kubuntu dev version, I'll continue to use dev version as my desktop OS doing same things above. I believe that is helping Ubuntu Korean users and developement of Ubuntu.
[01:53] <Kamion> smurf: have you been working with atie on the locoteam stuff already?
[01:53] <Seveas> atie, CJK needs lots of love, what are your plans for it?
[01:54] <ogra> atie, we're about to add scim to main, any thoughts or hints from an experiencend user about that ? 
[01:54] <jsgotangco> i've been to the korean team channel in hanirc.org since i came from seoul and they have a very very active community 
[01:54] <atie> Seveas, I can put what Korean users having trouble with 
[01:54] <atie> orga, I have votes from Korean Users
[01:55] <atie> orga, and I did ask IM developer in Korea.
[01:56] <jsgotangco> atie, DAUM?
[01:56] <ogra> might you be able to help with the scim stuff (even through bugreports or feedback would be fine) ? 
[01:56] <atie> orga, yes I can.
[01:56] <ogra> cool :)
[01:56] <atie> actually now I am testing skim.
[01:57] <Kamion> we need a strong group of maintainers for scim etc.; it's not something that the core development team have experience with
[01:57] <ogra> we're really lacking in this area ...
[01:57] <Seveas> re
[01:57] <jsgotangco> minghua can only do too much
[01:57] <atie> I am not a linux developer, but I think I can find my way to help scim/skim and other CJK stuff
[01:58] <elmo> jsgotangco: (s/too/so/)
[01:58] <ogra> you dont need to be a developer to give valuable feedback ... and thats most we need ... :)
[01:59] <atie> orga, I think so.
[01:59] <Seveas> elmo, perhaps not, from what I heard he does an qwful lot ;)
[01:59] <Seveas> s/q/a/
[01:59] <ogra> telling us we do the right thing and pointing out the drawbacks is the most important stuff here
[01:59] <ogra> getting a good QA in place for input methods ...
[01:59] <atie> IM is start point for CJK users
[02:00] <atie> there are more stuff to improve like as ID3 tag...
[02:00] <Kamion> somebody to collate problem reports from CJK users would be good too, once we do get scim integrated
[02:00] <atie> I am monitoring bugs related to CJK.
[02:00] <Kamion> since most of us can only go "uh?" when confronted with a problem report about a language we don't speak and a script we can't type :)
[02:00] <Kamion> especially if the problem report is of the form "but it works fine with uim" or whatever
[02:01] <atie> and assign ubuntu-cjk-testers for them.
[02:01] <atie> means I am testing myself and get feedback from our team and users
[02:01] <Seveas> How big is the u-cjk-t team?
[02:01] <ogra> minghua is already doing a great job with the packages even if he might need help, thats not the most critical part ...
[02:01] <atie> Seveas, 9 including 4 loco contacts
[02:02] <atie> so fair enough I think, since our team members are 25.
[02:03] <ogra> anyway, a big cheer from me for atie ...
[02:03] <jsgotangco> \o_  \o/  atie  \o/  _o/
[02:03] <atie> orga, thanks
[02:03] <Seveas> atie, it's ogra, not orga :)
[02:03] <ogra> :)
[02:03] <atie> sorry
[02:03] <jsgotangco> heheh
[02:03] <mhz> the now institutionalized \o\  \o/ /o/
[02:04] <jsgotangco> good thing a is far from y
[02:04] <ogra> Seveas, as long as i'm around thats ok :)
[02:04] <Seveas> jsgotangco, ;)
[02:04] <Mez> lol @ jsgotangco 
[02:04] <ogra> Seveas, (and also makes me feel less chaotic ;) )
[02:04] <Kamion> I'm ok with atie for membership, from the sound of things
[02:04] <Kamion> elmo: ?
[02:05] <elmo> yeah, ack from me
[02:05] <elmo> (sorry was just reading some of the bugs)
[02:05] <Kamion> glad to see more people with a clue about CJK
[02:05] <ogra> ++
[02:05] <Seveas> ClueJK :)
[02:05] <Kamion> right, so in lieu of actually being quorate I think we're done
[02:05] <Kamion> any other business?
[02:05] <Seveas> anyway, atie was tha last one for now, thanks for coming!
[02:05] <atie> I hope more on Dapper+1
[02:05] <jsgotangco> yeah should be better
[02:05] <atie> thanks everyone.
[02:05] <Seveas> Kamion, time of next meeting?
[02:06] <ogra> atie, congrats :)
[02:06] <elmo> Seveas: let's put that off till we can talk to mako and find out mark's schedule
[02:06] <atie> ogra, thx
[02:06] <Seveas> elmo++
[02:06] <elmo> Kamion: using the cvd-calendar program?
[02:06] <mhz> atie: i'm very happy for you
[02:06] <Kamion> sabdfl's still on tour in two weeks' time, although at the end of the tour
[02:06] <Kamion> elmo: https://wiki.canonical.com/AsiaBusinessTour2006
[02:07] <atie> mhz, me too. thanks to you.
[02:07] <elmo> Kamion: I recommend the cvd upgrade ;)
[02:07] <zakame> congrats atie 
[02:07] <Kamion> so yeah, it might be better to use cvd-calendar and switch to a different day that week
[02:07] <Seveas> cvd?
[02:07] <jsgotangco> claire davis
[02:08] <Kamion> Seveas: mark's secretary, among many other functions
[02:08] <Seveas> ah
[02:08] <mhz> lol
[02:08] <ogra> Seveas, the walking calendar
[02:08] <atie> can I ask one question? I'd be welcomed to CC meeting at any time.
[02:08] <mhz> yup
[02:08] <ogra> atie, sure
[02:08] <jsgotangco> of course
[02:08] <Kamion> atie: sure, but general questions are usually more appropriate elsewhere
[02:08] <Seveas> everyone is welcome, Ubuntu member or not
[02:08] <raphink> :)
[02:08] <atie> thanks guy.
[02:08] <mhz> atie: and you can always bring new ideas of cheering \o/
[02:08] <mhz> :D
[02:08] <Kamion> ok, sounds like we're done
[02:09] <Kamion> meeting adjourned
[02:09] <Seveas> thanks all, see you in 2 weeks :)
[02:09] <jsgotangco> atie, i think ubuntu-kr should move to freenode =)
[02:09] <mhz> Thank you guys!
[02:09] <Seveas> Kamion, I'll write the summary of this later today. I'll be less summarizing so mark/mako can draw their conclusions/votes from it.
[02:09] <jsgotangco> (if possible)
[02:09] <atie> jsgotangco, sometime soon I'll bring ubuntu-ko to ubuntu team 
[02:10] <atie> we need more contrubutions.
[02:10] <atie> as volunteers
[02:10] <zakame> atie: I think what jsgotangco meant was the IRC channel
[02:11] <jsgotangco> still good :)
[02:11] <atie> zakame, I know. But at this point few people can be on.
[02:11] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:11] <jsgotangco> hanirc is pretty big too
[02:11] <atie> jsgotangco, but in my plan.
[02:11] <jsgotangco> cool
[02:11] <jsgotangco> how about chabrothers?
[02:12] <atie> he is my age, I'd prefer some young mans ahead of us. ^^
[02:12] <jsgotangco> ahh
[02:13] <jsgotangco> atie, cheers then, i'm going to have some late nite dinner first
[02:13] <atie> we're establishing so we'll see.
[02:13] <atie> jsgotangco, bye
[02:13] <atie> bye everyone.
[03:51] <Simira> ogra: ping?
[04:39] <Simira> u
[04:40] <Simira> I actually sat by the computer, on irc, and managed to miss the meeting!