[12:02] <apacheLAGger> sorry, lost connection
[12:02] <raphink> [23:58]  <apachelogger> yeah, that's what I meant :-)
[12:02] <raphink> [23:58]  <raphink> the path is the path to the file, as regexpr for perl
[12:02] <raphink> [23:58]  <raphink> (.*) being used as version number
[12:02] <raphink> [23:58]  <raphink> so get where the file is on he upstream website
[12:02] <raphink> [23:58]  <raphink> it's better
[12:02] <raphink> [23:59]  <raphink> apachelogger: once you have a debian/watch, you can use uscan to uupdate your package
[12:03] <raphink> [23:59]  <raphink> and I can use it to review it, too :)
[12:03] <raphink> sorry for the lag
[12:03] <raphink> just reposting for apacheLAGger
[12:03] <apacheLAGger> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/files/(.*)-kblogger-(.*)\.tar\.bz2
[12:03] <apacheLAGger> should work?
[12:04] <raphink> apachelogger: I don't think so
[12:04] <raphink> because the first (.
[12:04] <raphink> (.*) will be taken as version number
[12:04] <raphink> so no
[12:04] <apachelogger> :|
[12:04] <raphink> apachelogger: there's no tarball on another website?
[12:04] <apachelogger> not yet
[12:05] <theCore> is there someone who is working on packaging SeaMonkey ?
[12:05] <apachelogger> though might be soon
[12:05] <apachelogger> raphink: shell I add a watch file then?
[12:05] <raphink> you can try it this way
[12:05] <raphink> apachelogger: make it so
[12:05] <raphink> and try
[12:05] <raphink> to run uscan --report
[12:05] <raphink> to see what it says
[12:05] <raphink> or even
[12:05] <raphink> uscan --report --debug
[12:05] <raphink> and see what you get
[12:06] <apachelogger> ok :-)
[12:08] <apachelogger> raphink: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8132
[12:08] <apachelogger> maybe he's still online
[12:09] <raphink> won't work with kde, that's what I thought
[12:14] <apachelogger> raphink: bad if current version isn't online yet?
[12:14] <apachelogger> he's already sleeping
[12:14] <raphink> np
[12:14] <apachelogger> ok, I'll upload the watch file
[12:15] <raphink> ok
[12:15] <apachelogger> raphink: talking about this, is it possible to just upload the new diff?
[12:16] <raphink> hmm no
[12:16] <raphink> it is not
[12:16] <apachelogger> ok
[12:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: what does DEB_MAKE_CHECK_TARGET := check  do?
[12:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: ripped it form another package
[12:18] <apachelogger> rules files so empty without some lines ;-)
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually I'd just need "common-binary-post..." and the includes, right?
[12:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: my next question was to ask what that line does
[12:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, just includes looks a bit silly, doesn't it?
[12:21] <Riddell> no
[12:21] <apachelogger> ok, you're the motu :-)
[12:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: anything else I should remove?
[12:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, but check it still works
[12:23] <apachelogger> yup, does
[12:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: remove dpatch build-dep
[12:25] <apachelogger> ...and dh-buildinfo
[12:25] <apachelogger> fixed
[12:31] <hawking> I'm trying to build nessus from source and as I did make for nessus-core I got this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/6mDSrs12.html can someone help me?
[12:32] <hawking> hello from Beijing!
[12:33] <hawking> anyone to help me around?
[12:33] <raphink> wait a min hawking ok?
[12:33] <raphink> I'll be available in a short time
[12:34] <hawking> raphink : ok say my name when ur here
[12:34] <hawking> thanks
[12:34] <dolson> hawking: join the lineup to your left ;)
[12:34] <raphink> haha
[12:34] <hawking> :)
[12:39] <raphink> ok who's next ? :)
[12:39] <raphink> hawking ?
[12:39] <raphink> dolson: ?
[12:40] <apachelogger> Riddell:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1675 ok now?
[12:40] <hawking> raphink : me!
[12:40] <hawking> raphink :my question is above
[12:40] <dolson> well I was waiting for crimsun, but if you can help, that's cool
[12:40] <raphink> apachelogger: again? you don't need my advocacy anymore :p
[12:40] <raphink> dolson: I'll answer to hawking if you don't mind :)
[12:40] <hawking> raphnik : I'm trying to build nessus from source and as I did make for nessus-core I got this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/6mDSrs12.html can someone help me?
[12:40] <apachelogger> raphink: ;-)
[12:41] <raphink> hmmpf
[12:41] <dolson> oh I mind!
[12:41] <hawking> raphink : the Makefile is here http://rafb.net/paste/results/CVXY4n71.html
[12:41] <raphink> ok dolson your question
[12:41] <raphink> hehe j/k ;)
[12:41] <dolson> :)
[12:41] <raphink> moooh I'm not a developer :s
[12:41] <raphink> not a true dev that is ;)
[12:42] <raphink> did you look in comm.c hawking ?
[12:42] <hawking> raphink : nope... well I don't know C a lot
[12:42] <raphink> hawking: well
[12:42] <hawking> shall i paste it? hang on
[12:42] <raphink> comm.c: In function &#8216;comm_update_ui&#8217;:
[12:42] <raphink> comm.c:99: error: label at end of compound statement
[12:43] <raphink> it tells you there's an error in comm.c on line 99
[12:43] <raphink> that's where you should look, imo
[12:43] <raphink> first thing to do
[12:43] <raphink> I'm not a C pro either though ;)
[12:43] <raphink> far from being
[12:44] <hawking> there are two comm.c actually
[12:44] <hawking> http://rafb.net/paste/results/IiQW4p42.html
[12:44] <hawking> this is one of 'em
[12:45] <apachelogger> puh, I'm off to get at least some sleep ;-) .... gnight all
[12:45] <raphink> hawking: this is it
[12:45] <raphink> you can see it
[12:46] <hawking> hmm
[12:46] <raphink> hawking: line 99 is in comm_update_ui function as said in the error
[12:46] <raphink> can you see that hawking ?
[12:46] <hawking> well I see a } in line 99
[12:46] <raphink> yep
[12:47] <raphink> so as said in the error, the end of a compound statement
[12:47] <raphink> at least the end of something, since it's }
[12:47] <raphink> but then if you go up
[12:47] <hawking> yeah I saw it
[12:47] <raphink> you'll see that this is part of the comm_update_ui function
[12:47] <raphink> that begins at line 64
[12:47] <raphink> well 63 actually
[12:47] <raphink> static void
[12:47] <raphink> comm_update_ui(context, current)
[12:47] <hawking> yeah
[12:48] <raphink> so it seems the error happens with the switch stuff
[12:48] <hawking> hmm yes
[12:48] <raphink> this is where it happens
[12:48] <raphink> http://pastebin.com/542477
[12:49] <raphink> I'm not a good C programmer, haven't programmed in a long time
[12:49] <raphink> but maybe it requires a void; after default:
[12:49] <raphink> dunno
[12:50] <hawking> hmm I see
[12:50] <hawking> so I'll put a void right after default the line below right?
[12:50] <hawking> before }
[12:50] <raphink> I think default: is not even compulsory
[12:50] <raphink> just remove the default: line
[12:51] <raphink> or just put break; after it
[12:51] <raphink> default:
[12:51] <raphink>     break;
[12:51] <raphink> again, I'm no C dev, but I think it should do
[12:52] <raphink> if that works, you'll have to patch the source properly (you don't want to modify the upstream tarball like that in a package) and send the patch upstream
[12:52] <hawking> raphink : I found a nicer comm.c from cvs :)
[12:52] <hawking> instead of messing with it :p
[12:52] <hawking> thanks
[12:52] <raphink> hawking: with this fixed?
[12:52] <hawking> yes
[12:53] <raphink> how was it fixed?
[12:53] <raphink> just so I know :)
[12:53] <hawking> dunno do you want to see the new comm.c?
[12:53] <hawking> lemme paste
[12:53] <raphink> sure
[12:54] <hawking> there is a break; there ;)
[12:54] <hawking> you knew it :)
[12:54] <raphink> yep
[12:54] <raphink> well I saw only two options
[12:54] <raphink> either removing the line
[12:54] <raphink> or adding break; after it ;)
[12:54] <raphink> that seemed logical :)
[12:54] <hawking> here it is if you wanna see http://rafb.net/paste/results/3PbRuO55.html
[12:54] <hawking> btw how can i add /usr/local/sbin to my PATH?
[12:55] <raphink> no there is no break that I see
[12:55] <raphink> he removed the default: instead
[12:55] <raphink>       case COMM_GET_DEPENDENCIES:
[12:55] <raphink>         fmt = _("Receiving dependencies: %d");
[12:55] <raphink>         base = limit;
[12:55] <raphink>         limit = PBAR_MAX;
[12:55] <raphink>         break;
[12:55] <raphink>     }
[12:55] <raphink> that is the new one
[12:55] <raphink> no default: anymore
[12:55] <raphink> ;)
[12:55] <hawking> :)
[12:55] <raphink> hmm I'm not good with PATH
[12:55] <raphink> ;)
[12:56] <hawking> :/
[12:56] <raphink> ask someone else and I'll be listening to the answer
[12:56] <raphink> to know it next time
[12:56] <raphink> :)
[12:56] <hawking> ok I'll ask somewhere else :p
[12:56] <hawking> thanks a lot
[12:56] <raphink> :s
[12:56] <raphink> you're welcome"
[12:56] <raphink> or a herbal tea rather
[12:56] <raphink> better to sleep :)
[01:18] <dolson> green tea is yummy
[01:19] <raphink> yep
[02:02] <raphink> Riddell: ping
[02:02] <Riddell> raphink: hi
[02:02] <raphink> hi Riddell :)
[02:03] <raphink> Riddell: I was wondering
[02:03] <LaserJock> Hi all
[02:03] <raphink> we have a kubuntu team on LP, but we hardly ever meet to discuss our vision of hte kde desktop
[02:03] <raphink> do you think we could have a meeting from time to time
[02:03] <raphink> get to know who works on what in kubuntu
[02:03] <raphink> what has to be done, etc.
[02:04] <raphink> like getting a date on fridge to take one or two hours in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:04] <raphink> what would hyou think Riddell ?
[02:04] <Riddell> I don't honestly know
[02:04] <Riddell> it's not a daft idea
[02:04] <raphink> well let's say I would enjoy it :)
[02:04] <raphink> and I think I'm not the only one
[02:04] <raphink> :)
[02:04] <Riddell> don't know if people would be interested, or if we could get enough people at the same time
[02:05] <raphink> well I guess the best way to know is to try
[02:05] <Riddell> or what the outcomes of a meeting would be
[02:05] <Riddell> but edubuntu seem to have meetings quite a bit
[02:05] <raphink> yes
[02:05] <raphink> I think it would be interesting
[02:05] <raphink> we can just create an agenda page on the wiki
[02:05] <raphink> plan a date to meet
[02:05] <raphink> ping kubuntu devs around
[02:06] <raphink> gtry to gather them, have them add topics to the agenda if they want
[02:06] <raphink> and we'll see what gets out of it
[02:06] <raphink> :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: please dont make it at early hours of the morning, otherwise I cant make it...
[02:06] <raphink> doesn't cost much to try
[02:06] <LaserJock> how many kubuntu devs are there?
[02:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kubuntu people aren't morning people :)
[02:06] <raphink> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team
[02:06] <raphink> Riddell: very true ;)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh good.  parents dont seem to understand about staying up for meetings, even at times like 1am
[02:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: tell raphink when are good times for you, in UTC
[02:07] <raphink> Riddell: looking at the fridge, the 16th in the evening (20UTC to 21 UTC for ex) seems like a good time
[02:07] <LaserJock> hmm, there are actually quite a few
[02:07] <raphink> would that be fine for you Hobbsee ?
[02:07] <Riddell> raphink: when is distro team meeting that week?
[02:08] <raphink> yep Riddell
[02:08] <Hobbsee> checking...
[02:08] <raphink> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2006/02/11/month/event/all
[02:08] <raphink> wb Tonio_
[02:08] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[02:08] <raphink> we're talking about planning a meeting for the kubuntu team Tonio_
[02:08] <Hobbsee> *sigh* - 7am?  well at least the parents wont have a massive cow
[02:08] <Hobbsee> should be ok
[02:08] <raphink> would the 16th 20UTC to 21UTC be fine for you?
[02:09] <Tonio_> nice
[02:09] <Riddell> raphink: yeah, ok with me
[02:09] <raphink> good :)
[02:09] <Tonio_> i'm okay of course
[02:09] <raphink> :)
[02:09] <raphink> that's at least Riddell, Hobbsee, Tonio_ and me so far
[02:09] <raphink> :)
[02:09] <raphink> just have to send an email to kubuntu-team on LP to ping others
[02:10] <raphink> :)
[02:10] <Tonio_> yup
[02:10] <raphink> so at least this team can begin to be used for real :)
[02:10] <raphink> hmm the email is kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:10] <raphink> not sure this is the greatest email to use for such a thing ;)
[02:11] <Tonio_> arf
[02:11] <LaserJock> I might join in if you have it at a convenient time
[02:12] <raphink> I'll create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[02:12] <raphink> LaserJock: thursday the 16th, 20UTC to 21 UTC
[02:12] <raphink> how is that for you?
[02:12] <Tonio_> okay, raphink I may give my 2 cents on a few suggestion list regarding the subject that could/should be discussed
[02:13] <raphink> Tonio_: let me create the page and you can add stuff to the agenda :)
[02:14] <LaserJock> raphink: good for me I think
[02:14] <raphink> ok :)
[02:14] <raphink> Riddell: do you know how to ``book''  a place on the fridge?
[02:15] <Tonio_> raphink: he's gonna sleep :)
[02:15] <raphink> huh?
[02:15] <LaserJock> raphink: btw, I'm in my new iMac right now :-)
[02:15] <raphink> oh great :)
[02:16] <dolson> hmm, ardour 0.99.1 is out now
[02:17] <raphink> Tonio_: j'ai chop la page MOTU/Meetings
[02:17] <raphink> Tonio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[02:17] <Tonio_> coule
[02:17] <Tonio_> ca va permettre d'avancer
[02:18] <Tonio_> il faut que kubuntu se singularise en tant que distrib apportant kde ET quelque chose de plus
[02:18] <Riddell> raphink: e-mail fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:18] <raphink> Riddell: thanks I will
[02:18] <Riddell> cool
[02:20] <Tonio_> gonna sleep, nite all !
[02:21] <raphink> night Tonio_
[02:26] <raphink> :)
[02:34] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:34] <crimsun> 'lo
[02:35] <dolson> hello
[02:36] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty
[02:36] <raphink> hmmpf
[02:37] <raphink> message rejected
[02:42] <dolson> so ardour is in universe.. ok. I have a question. what is the possibility of it being upgraded from 0.99.0 to 0.99.1 before Dapper is released? there are a number of bugfixes in it
[02:48] <dolson> crimsun: are you the ardour maintainer, by chance?
[02:49] <crimsun> no
[02:49] <crimsun> I have a vested interest in getting audio up to speed, to say the least
[02:49] <crimsun> the problem here is that we're past UVF, and Debian is still at 0.99-3
[02:49] <dolson> nice. me too.. so I'm hoping I can learn a lot of stuff and help out where I can
[02:50] <dolson> for now my help is in the form of tutorials and stuff like that, but I would like to maybe package some software not in Ubuntu or Debian at some point, when I have enough knowledge
[02:50] <crimsun> to push in 0.99.1 we'd deviate from Debian, which introduces a delta that we should avoid at this stage
[02:51] <crimsun> I don't have any objections to backporting 0.99.1's fixes, though, to our -3ubuntu1
[02:51] <dolson> yeah, 0.99.1 was just released today, so there wouldn't be a package yet
[02:51] <crimsun> today? pssht
[02:51] <crimsun> we should wait a few days at least :-)
[02:52] <dolson> ok, I was just hoping to bring it up because I know time is running out
[02:57] <crimsun> hmph, it should build fine; I wonder why it was merged
[02:58] <dolson> I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean
[03:00] <crimsun> sec, updating pbuilder
[03:06] <crimsun> ah, it's the access method issue
[03:12] <dolson> is there an easy fix
[03:13] <crimsun> (already fixed)
[03:14] <dolson> how do I proceed?
[03:14] <crimsun> oh, for backporting?
[03:14] <crimsun> where is it dying?
[03:14] <crimsun> I'm busy for another couple hours (til 11:15 PM EST)
[03:27] <dolson> oh, ok. I'll be on then. right after RAW. heh. I'll pop back in around then
[03:47] <freeflying> Mithrandir: hi
[04:22] <tulga> can I install libgd-gif-dev on dapper 2?
[04:31] <marcin_> hello MOTU
[04:31] <marcin_> I got a question
[04:32] <marcin_> could someone tell me how can I define current version of package in control file?
[04:33] <marcin_> I know that there is something like: (= ${Source-Version}) but then
[04:34] <marcin_> my build says that gcc is required while this application that I want to package is platform independent webapp
[04:34] <lfittl> marcin_: what build-depends do you have?
[04:34] <lfittl> current version is defined by the debian/changelog entry
[04:35] <marcin_> lfittl, I know that but I want to set this dependency internally
[04:35] <marcin_> lfittl, I want to build few packages from the same source
[04:36] <lfittl> marcin_: you can't give the binary packages another version, they always have the debian/changelog version
[04:36] <marcin_> lfittl, and then I want to set dependency between two packages generated from the same source
[04:38] <lfittl> marcin_: given that they all have the same source package, (= ${Source-Version}) is the right thing to use
[04:38] <Hobbsee_> *sigh
[04:38] <Hobbsee_> *
[04:39] <marcin_> lfittl, well but then build says that 'gcc: command not found;
[04:40] <lfittl> marcin_: do you call gcc at some place in debian/rules?
[04:40] <marcin_> lfittl, nope I only use cdbs
[04:40] <lfittl> marcin_: what kind of build system?
[04:40] <marcin_> lfittl, but only to run debhelpers - my rules file is almost empty
[04:41] <marcin_> lfittl, because source is just webapp - so nothing to compile
[04:41] <marcin_> lfittl, bunch of php files
[04:41] <lfittl> marcin_: could you upload the source package somewhere?
[04:41] <marcin_> lfittl, well not yet
[04:41] <quikstrike> can someone help me?
[04:42] <marcin_> lfittl, I'll upload to revu but first I want to make it installable
[04:42] <lfittl> marcin_: could you upload/paste the buildlog somewhere?
[04:42] <lfittl> quikstrike: sure, what do you need?
[04:43] <marcin_> lfittl, just a moment
[05:01] <marcin_> lfittl, ok I just changed my control file a bit and now it's ok
[05:01] <marcin_> lfittl, but there is another question
[05:01] <lfittl> marcin_: feel free to ask ;)
[05:01] <marcin_> lfittl, do you know why package that I created doesn't want to install config file?
[05:02] <marcin_> lfittl, in postinst script I got few lines that generate some custom config file
[05:02] <marcin_> lfittl, but when I'm trying to install this package
[05:02] <lfittl> marcin_: sry, I don't know enough about post/pre scripts to help you on this :/
[05:03] <marcin_> lfittl, then I get this: Not replacing deleted config file /usr/share/vtiger-crm/connection.php
[05:04] <lfittl> marcin_: Simply ask one of the MOTUs when they are awake again
[05:04] <marcin_> lfittl, ok thanks
[05:05] <lfittl> marcin_: np
[05:25] <dolson> crimsun:   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8128
[05:56] <dolson> crimsun: holy crap.. I did a diff on the two ardour source trees and there are over 11K lines in the diff
[06:08] <Mithrandir> freeflying: hiya?
[06:15] <dolson> it's quiet in here
[06:15] <Toma-away> :)
[06:15] <dolson> much better. sounds like my music :)
[06:17] <Toma-away> ive check out the motu site and cant find initng... if i had the power, id make an ubuntu package for it! its totally rad and stable
[06:18] <dolson> by the power of grayskull... you have the power
[06:18] <Toma-away> :(
[06:19] <dolson> do you not know how to make packages?
[06:21] <Toma-away> i do, but im not sure about gpg, control, etc... i can make rpms however
[06:22] <dolson> ah. I don't know how to really make packages yet. I can rebuild some that exist, but taking something from scratch I don't know yet, except the hack that is checkinstall
[06:22] <dolson> I'm attempting to learn how to do a backport of ardour right now.. so far hasnt worked
[06:23] <Toma-away> theres a deb available for it now? and the website that maintains it say its for "debian/ubuntu"
[06:23] <Toma-away> oic
[06:25] <dolson> you could probably make the package from Debian's package pretty easily, no?
[06:25] <Toma-away> yeh.. alter the control file? and say "ubuntu"...
[06:27] <dolson> hmm, my experiment is working so far... maybe I will have an ardour 0.99.1 package in a few minutes..
[06:28] <Toma-away> wish i had the hardware for ardour :(
[06:28] <dolson> what's your specs?
[06:31] <Toma-away> at the moment, 266mhz, 128ram sb128 sound card :/
[06:31] <dolson> ah, yeah, won't work on that for sure
[06:31] <Toma-away> indeed.
[06:31] <Toma-away> what sound card have you got?
[06:32] <dolson> I have a 133mhz that still function
[06:32] <dolson> I have a 133mhz that still functions as a doorstop
[06:32] <Toma-away> :D
[06:32] <dolson> I have crap for sound cards.. SB Live! 5.1 and an Audigy2 ZS
[06:32] <Toma-away> mine is a multimedia centre bevlieve it or not
[06:33] <Toma-away> i want an audigy :( dreamt of them since they came out
[06:33] <dolson> do you play the Top 40 hits through the "beep" program?
[06:33] <Toma-away> haha
[06:33] <Toma-away> no, it has a tvcard, dvd drive and wifi in it
[06:33] <crimsun> dolson: 11K sounds about right
[06:34] <dolson> holy geez.
[06:34] <dolson> I find my Athlon XP 2800+ slow..
[06:34] <Toma-away> yeh! tv isnt at full resolution, and dvd is tweaked to hell
[06:35] <Toma-away> id say a 350 would make the grade tho
[06:36] <dolson> crimsun: so far the build is going.. I used the diff from the 0.99 package and compared the patches in there to the new source tree and they all applied at small offsets, and its been building for about 15 minutes. but I'd still like to backport the official 0.99 from Dapper to Breezy
[06:38] <dolson> wow, I think it worked... I got a doc deb so far...
[06:39] <crimsun> dang, that doesn't bode well
[06:39] <dolson> why not?
[06:39] <dolson> now I have a session exchange deb
[06:39] <crimsun> because that means it's more features than fixes
[06:40] <dolson> it's a maintenance release
[06:40] <dolson> woo ardour-gtk_0.99.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:41] <crimsun> yeah, but how dpatches were absorbed upstream?
[06:41] <crimsun> how many, rather
[06:42] <dolson> I am not sure what you mean.. in the ubuntu source, there are about 4 patches, which are all 1-liner patches
[06:43] <crimsun> 19_fix-session-timefx-for-soundtouch-assert.patch?
[06:44] <dolson> that one is one line
[06:44] <crimsun> I'm extremely hesitant to generate an additional merge delta for an -0ubuntu1
[06:44] <crimsun> right, but it wasn't applied upstream?
[06:44] <dolson> upstream is the source from the ardour site right? if so, then no, that patch still needed to be applied
[06:45] <crimsun> ok, then we should ask rjo if he plans to upload 0.99.1-1 RSN
[06:47] <dolson> what I did was I apt-get source ardour-gtk, then I extracted the source from ardour-0.99.1, cd into there, patched with the .diff.gz from dapper, edited the changelog, then built the package and it worked, surprisingly
[06:48] <dolson> who is rjo? Robert Jordens?
[06:49] <crimsun> yes
[06:50] <dolson> do you want me to ask him?
[06:50] <crimsun> you may if you wish
[06:51] <dolson> alright, I would like to. I haven't done such a thing before, so is there anything I need to know, or do I just email him and ask him that
[06:52] <crimsun> I feel it's courteous to wait a few days, since he probably has real life stuff occurring, too
[06:52] <dolson> ok
[06:55] <zakame> heya MOTUs  !
[06:55] <crimsun> hey zak
[06:55] <zakame> hello crimsun :)
[06:57] <dolson> so is Mark Shuttleworth He-Man or what?
[06:58] <jsgotangco> no He-Man is daniel holbach
[06:58] <dolson> ah
[06:58] <dolson> who is Cringer?
[06:58] <zakame> er?
[07:47] <dolson> crimsun: I still can't build ardour on breezy though
[08:36] <jsgotangco> hrmm a bondage pic was tagged ubuntu in flickr
[08:36] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:36] <dolson> haha
[08:39] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: what a surprise
[08:40] <zachy> heh
[08:42] <jsgotangco> hope it doesnt become a trend (and just stay nude), we're getting a new nude ubuntu-tagged pic in flickr almost every week
[08:56] <Mithrandir> I wonder why a lot of diablo ii pics seem to be tagged ubuntu too
[08:59] <dolson> there is an interesting one on the second page of results for searching on GoogleImages
[09:16] <jsgotangco> heh that's pretty old but still good
[09:22] <Mithrandir> jsgotangco: do you have a link to the ubuntu bondage one?  I couldn't find it on flickr?
[09:24] <jsgotangco> wait
[09:25] <jsgotangco> Mithrandir, http://www.flickr.com/photos/88801111@N00/89407056/
[09:25] <StevenK> I was looking for one of the Ubuntu logos, which is 4 females and one smiling in the middle.
[09:26] <jsgotangco> he must have mistakenly added ubuntu
[09:26] <jsgotangco> or maybe not
[09:28] <Mithrandir> ubuntu is going to be a code word for kinky stuff at some point. :-P
[09:29] <jsgotangco> "ubuntu me baby"
[09:29] <Mithrandir> oooh-buntu!
[09:29] <dolson> I'm going to ubuntu you all night long
[09:30] <jsgotangco> yeah just wait till an R&B song uses it
[09:52] <siretart> morning
[09:52] <siretart> I love these changelogs: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2006/02/msg00372.html
[09:52] <zakame> heya siretart
[09:52] <siretart> huhu zakame
[11:15] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:16] <jpatrick> hullo Toadstool
[11:16] <Toadstool> is there a nice MOTU who has time to review my dhcpv6-kame package ? ^^
[11:16] <jpatrick> not an MOTY but I could look...
[11:16] <jpatrick> MOTU*
[11:16] <Toadstool> yep
[11:16] <Toadstool> that would be nice
[11:17] <Toadstool> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1642
[11:26] <ajmitch_> evening
[11:27] <raphink> hi ajmitch_
[11:51] <marcin_ant> hello MOTU's
[11:52] <jpatrick> hello marcin_ant
[11:52] <raphink> hi marcin_ant
[11:52] <marcin_ant> guys I need some help
[11:52] <raphink> ah, that happens ...
[11:53] <marcin_ant> I'm trying to create package and I it's almost ready but unfrtunately there is something
[11:53] <marcin_ant> that goes wrong... and I really have no idea how to fix it
[11:53] <marcin_ant> so, I got some *.postinst file
[11:54] <raphink> mhm
[11:54] <jpatrick> marcin_ant: what happens?
[11:54] <raphink> marcin_ant: use the pastebin and show us what's wrong
[11:54] <marcin_ant> and this file should generate some configuration file and put this file into selected directory
[11:54] <marcin_ant> unfortunately it says that "Not replacing deleted config file ......."
[11:54] <marcin_ant> when trying to install/reinstall package
[11:55] <jpatrick> marcin_ant: do you need the file?
[11:55] <raphink> can we see your postinst marcin_ant ?
[11:55] <marcin_ant> and without this config file whole package is just unworkable
[11:56] <marcin_ant> raphink, sure - which pastebin supports this channel?
[11:56] <raphink> marcin_ant: any ;)
[11:56] <raphink> pastebin.com is fine
[11:57] <marcin_ant> http://pastebin.com/543038
[11:58] <raphink> ah, vtiger
[11:58] <raphink> I didn't remember you were the vtiger guy ;)
[11:58] <raphink> marcin_ant: did you write to the bounty poster btw ?
[11:59] <marcin_ant> raphink, well not yet
[11:59] <raphink> marcin_ant: you should, he thinks I'm doing it
[11:59] <marcin_ant> raphink, I just added comment on launchpad
[11:59] <raphink> ;)
[11:59] <raphink> since I've begun to do it
[11:59] <marcin_ant> raphink, ok I'll send mail
[12:00] <marcin_ant> raphink, sure I started with your package but this database stuff is something that is most important part of vtiger package
[12:00] <marcin_ant> raphink, anyway do you know how to force dpkg to reinstall this config file?
[12:00] <raphink> I'm looking and trying to understand
[12:01] <marcin_ant> raphink, do you know how vtiger installation procedure works?
[12:01] <raphink> I've had a quick look at it
[12:01] <raphink> there are scripts to conf it
[12:01] <Mithrandir> marcin_ant: --force-confmiss
[12:02] <marcin_ant> Mithrandir, with dpkg?
[12:02] <Mithrandir> mhm
[12:02] <marcin_ant> Mithrandir, hmm nice but how can I do the same but with apt?
[12:03] <raphink> marcin_ant: do you ask the debconf questions in config ?
[12:03] <marcin_ant> raphink, yes
[12:03] <raphink> ok
[12:04] <raphink> good :)
[12:04] <marcin_ant> raphink, database pasword
[12:04] <raphink> mhm
[12:04] <raphink> marcin_ant: how did you set the mysql conf issue?
[12:04] <marcin_ant> raphink, is required - so we have to ask
[12:04] <raphink> marcin_ant: mysql has to be set before entering the database password
[12:04] <raphink> how did you set that?
[12:05] <marcin_ant> raphink, you mean on 'fresh' mysql installation?
[12:05] <raphink> marcin_ant: yep
[12:05] <marcin_ant> raphink, well I didn't ;)
[12:05] <raphink> marcin_ant: vtiger-crm depends on mysql, but that doesn't help setting it
[12:05] <marcin_ant> raphink, I've been looking to another packages that depends on mysql
[12:06] <raphink> marcin_ant: my idea when I worked on it was to print a message with debconf if mysql was not set, telling users they should set mysql and then run some common to set vtiger
[12:06] <marcin_ant> raphink, and you are right - it's pretty nasty issue
[12:06] <raphink> marcin_ant: the bounty poster wants a _totally_ automated install
[12:06] <raphink> marcin_ant: i.e. the LAMP has to be entirely configured in one clic
[12:06] <raphink> this is where it's quite hard
[12:07] <raphink> since you can't set mysql dirtily
[12:07] <raphink> this is why I quite stopped working on this actually ;)
[12:07] <marcin_ant> raphink, well I agree but I think I got solution for this issue
[12:07] <raphink> if I have to spend weeks trying to figure out how to set mysql properly without touching mysql but having it work
[12:07] <raphink> it's not worth it the bounty ;)
[12:07] <marcin_ant> raphink, anyway - let's do something with this nasty config file....
[12:07] <raphink> marcin_ant: but I understand you need this package for yourself :)
[12:08] <raphink> so it's good you take care of it :)
[12:08] <marcin_ant> raphink, yes - I want bounty ;)
[12:08] <raphink> I've understood that, too
[12:08] <raphink> :)
[12:08] <marcin_ant> raphink, I'm from poor country so every money counts - but yes I need this package for my customer
[12:08] <raphink> I personnaly would rather like a job than a single bounty ;)
[12:08] <raphink> hehe
[12:09] <marcin_ant> raphink, I'm working on vtiger integration with existing ERP software for my customer
[12:09] <raphink> I'm not from a poor country and this bounty wouldn't have me live a 10th of a month
[12:09] <raphink> marcin_ant: do you use tiny-erp?
[12:09] <marcin_ant> raphink, nope some proprietary stuff
[12:10] <raphink> marcin_ant: you should throw an eye on tiny erp some day
[12:10] <raphink> it's getting better by the month
[12:10] <raphink> right now surely the best open-source erp around
[12:10] <marcin_ant> raphink, and I have to write some SOAP modules to put vtiger and ERP together
[12:10] <ajmitch_> raphink: it would let me live for a week or two if I stretched it :)
[12:10] <raphink> written in python/gtk
[12:10] <raphink> ajmitch_: hehe
[12:11] <raphink> ajmitch_: well the bounty poster said he could consider increasing the bounty if it took too much time, so I think he will
[12:11] <raphink> so in the end it might be quite a lot though ;)
[12:11] <raphink> say, $200 or more
[12:11] <ajmitch_> raphink: I considered going for it, but someone had already started by the time I had spare time
[12:11] <raphink> ajmitch_: I had started ;)
[12:11] <raphink> I was the first one starting it, accoring to the bounty poster
[12:12] <raphink> ;)
[12:12] <raphink> but then I stopped for a while and marcin_ant began
[12:12] <marcin_ant> raphink, I'll take a look but currently this company deployed commercial ERP and they spent about 4000 euro on licenses so I think that they will not change this in near future
[12:12] <raphink> marcin_ant: well just have a look ;)
[12:12] <lifeless> raphink: 200 is < a days work for minimum legal salary here
[12:12] <lifeless> well, less than 2 days work.
[12:12] <raphink> in europe/US lifeless
[12:13] <raphink> lifeless: not everybody is from there
[12:13] <raphink> of course for me/us it's not a lot of money
[12:13] <lifeless> raphink: where do you think I am from ?
[12:13] <raphink> lifeless: where do you think marcin_ant is from?
[12:13] <marcin_ant> lifeless, in PL 300$ is minimal salary for a month (official)
[12:13] <raphink> lifeless: I don't know where you're from
[12:14] <marcin_ant> lifeless, but it's really minimum sallary and fortunately I don't have to work all month for $300
[12:14] <raphink> in fr, minimum salary for a month is about $1000
[12:14] <marcin_ant> raphink, no you are wrong ;)
[12:14] <lifeless> raphink: .au, neither us nor europe
[12:14] <raphink> marcin_ant: sorry?
[12:14] <marcin_ant> raphink, 1000 but euro not $
[12:14] <raphink> marcin_ant: well tahts quite the same
[12:14] <raphink> it's even a bit more in 
[12:15] <raphink> and then it depends if you see it as gross or net
[12:15] <raphink> so more or less $1000
[12:15] <marcin_ant> raphink, in PL 1 euro = 4zl and 1 usd = 3zl so it
[12:15] <raphink> yes
[12:15] <marcin_ant> raphink, is 25% difference
[12:15] <raphink> mhm
[12:15] <lifeless> legal minimum here is (IIRC) 12.50AUD/hour = 25000/year or 2000 a month
[12:16] <ajmitch_> lifeless: I should move to .au then :)
[12:16] <raphink> officially
[12:16] <raphink> for 2005
[12:16] <lifeless> so 500/week (before tax), or 100/day
[12:16] <marcin_ant> in PL legal minimum is about $300 - average is about 1000
[12:16] <raphink> the minimum salary for 169 work/month
[12:16] <raphink> in france
[12:16] <raphink> is
[12:16] <raphink> 1 357,07  gross
[12:16] <lifeless> at the entry tax bracket that gives you about 70/day cash in hand
[12:16] <marcin_ant> anyway guys... back to work ;)
[12:16] <raphink> lets not forget the 7 LOL
[12:16] <raphink> ok
[12:17] <raphink> lifeless: here the minimum gross pay per hour is 8,03
[12:17] <marcin_ant> in .pl you can buy bread for $0.5 in .au propably $1 or more
[12:17] <raphink> marcin_ant: true
[12:17] <marcin_ant> so it's hard to compare money
[12:18] <marcin_ant> with real parity power
[12:18] <raphink> I remember buying bread for 400 rbls in Moscow (0.08)
[12:18] <raphink> which is totally impossible here
[12:18] <marcin_ant> s/parity/purchasing
[12:18] <raphink> (hmm 400 rbls in 1998, I think the rates changed a lot since)
[12:19] <marcin_ant> guys... what can I do with this crappy .postinst script????
[12:19] <raphink> :s
[12:20] <lifeless> ajmitch_: perhaps ")
[12:22] <lifeless> ajmitch_: dude, you gotta come to syd
[12:22] <ajmitch_> lifeless: working for 2-3 weeks in brisbane
[12:23] <ajmitch_> so it's not likely I'll get down to sydney on this trip :)
[12:24] <lifeless> wave on the way by :)
[12:26] <raphink> looks like it's gonna be a quick keysigning party in the airport
[12:27] <jpatrick> raphink: fun
[12:27] <raphink> jpatrick: hehe
[12:37] <Casanova> hello i have created a package for LDTP -- Linux Desktop Testing Project -- http://ldtp.freedesktop.org I have uploaded the files to http://prash.be/ldtp/ubuntu/
[12:37] <Casanova> what is the process i need to follow to get this package into the ubuntu package line?
[12:39] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, you need to upload your package on REVU (http://revu.tauware.de)
[12:39] <Gloubiboulga> then MOTUs will review it and upload it when it's ok
[12:40] <Casanova> ok :-)
[12:40] <Casanova> thanx
[12:40] <jpatrick> Casanova: I recommend removing the config.sub and .guess commands from debian/rules
[12:40] <Casanova> hmmm
[12:40] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, you'll have to send your public gpg key to a revu admin to upload
[12:41] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> ok
[12:41] <Casanova> jpatrick> i dont have those commands on my rules files
[12:41] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU for more informations :)
[12:41] <jpatrick> Casanova: oh I see they're commented
[12:42] <Casanova> yes :)
[12:43] <Casanova> jpatrick> do you notice any other possible abnormalities?
[12:44] <jpatrick> nope
[12:44] <Casanova> ok thank you :)
[01:52] <Gloubiboulga> Tonio_, zakame, raphink thanks a lot :)
[01:53] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: strictly speaking its not out of the woodworks yet, but I think we can celebrate ;)
[01:54] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[01:55] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: you've become Ubuntu member ? :)
[01:55] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, not yet, but nearly
[01:55] <Toadstool> congratulations then
[01:56] <Gloubiboulga> thanks :)
[02:06] <raphink> siretart: if you're around please consider nuking simias
[02:11] <StevenK> siretart: Hrm, Linda seems to work not so well on REVU
[02:12] <raphink> StevenK: how do you mean?
[02:12] <raphink> StevenK: the lintian and linda run on REVU are from breezy
[02:12] <StevenK> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/klearlook-0601050135/linda
[02:13] <zakame> StevenK: true, I've been observing it since last year :/
[02:14] <StevenK> Run Linda with LINDA_ROOT set.
[02:14] <StevenK> And make sure $LINDA_ROOT/po/en.mo exists.
[02:14] <StevenK> Then that problem will go away.
[02:14] <StevenK> siretart: ^
[02:15] <StevenK> Yagisan: I got to talk my way out of that today.
[02:15] <StevenK> Made me slightly happier.
[02:16] <Yagisan> StevenK: I need the money so I have too. If I could somehow integrate my Breezy cd into my Windows all-in-one install dvd I'd be happy
[02:18] <StevenK> I'm over their places fairly regularly so I can keep an eye on them.
[02:18] <Yagisan> StevenK: love to say, sure just install option 10 (Breezy) on the next install and the problems will be gone for good
[02:20] <Yagisan> StevenK: you're nearby - I may see you one day, while I'm doorknocking for new customers
[02:20] <StevenK> Yagisan: Whereabouts are you? If you are close, lunch together would be cool.
[02:21] <Yagisan> StevenK: Lidcombe
[02:21] <StevenK> Yagisan: Nice! I work in Burwood, which is nice and close.
[02:22] <Yagisan> StevenK: cool, that's two trains stops away :)
[02:22] <StevenK> Yagisan: Tell you what, if you can work with Debian and diagnose network problems on Linux machines, I'll drop your name to the support manager at work.
[02:24] <Yagisan> StevenK:  Yes I can (You can even see my paper certs too if you like, that make a nice wallpaper) . I'll bring my business cards :)
[02:24] <StevenK> Yagisan: I'll see if we're looking for someone first.
[02:26] <Yagisan> StevenK: Keep a card anyway, just in case, I'm open 24/7 if things turn bad. Where do you work ? There is an ok indian takeaway at the westfield
[02:27] <StevenK> Yagisan: That Indian takeaway is nowhere near okay.
[02:27] <StevenK> Yagisan: Down Burwood Rd, number 13 - a small place called Ursys - we basically sell/support Linux-in-a-box routers.
[02:28] <Yagisan> StevenK: having gotten food poisoning at most places there, it's one of the few that I don't regret eating at yet
[02:28] <StevenK> *blink*
[02:28] <StevenK> I don't mind the sandwich place, Subway and Oporto
[02:28] <StevenK> They are about the only places I will eat at.
[02:29] <Yagisan> StevenK: please don't say subway. It's been 8 days since I got sick from DFO's subway, and an ambo came to pick me up
[02:29] <Yagisan> StevenK: Oporto it is :)
[02:29] <StevenK> However, due to buying my own place (yay Sydney house prices), I'm buying ham and cheese rolls.
[02:29] <StevenK> Yagisan: We can make it Thursday if you like.
[02:30] <StevenK> My wife has forked over a list of things to do tomorrow lunch time.
[02:30] <Yagisan> StevenK: sure. I'm at a clients in Westmead in the morning. I'm free from 2pm on
[02:30] <StevenK> Eek. 2pm for lunch bad.
[02:31] <Yagisan> StevenK: Friday is not booked
[02:31] <StevenK> Yagisan: Friday is the work BBQ.
[02:31] <StevenK> Every Friday is the work BBQ, which is nice. :-)
[02:33] <Yagisan> StevenK: k, either Sat, Sun or the 16th
[02:33] <StevenK> Heh. I'm in Canberra this weekend.
[02:33] <StevenK> The 16th works.
[02:34] <Yagisan> StevenK: great :) next thursday. When do you start lunch ?
[02:34] <StevenK> 12-1
[02:35] <Tonio_> congrats Gloubiboulga  ;) sorry I couldn't say more since raphink said about everythings needed.... :)
[02:35] <StevenK> Whenever, basically.
[02:35] <Gloubiboulga> Tonio_, np :)
[02:36] <StevenK> I usually like to make it 12:30
[02:36] <StevenK> Speaking of 12:30, I ought to be in bed.
[02:36] <Yagisan> StevenK: ok. meet you @ oporto or @ work ?
[02:37] <StevenK> Yagisan: Oporto works better. Saves you having to walk all the way down to the office, and then back up to the Westfield.
[02:37] <Yagisan> StevenK: you won't miss me, I'll wear my beloved ubuntu t-shirt
[02:37] <Yagisan> night StevenK
[02:39] <Hobbsee> oh is it really 12.30?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> i guess it is
[02:39] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: yes. but sleep is for sissys ;)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, doing uni timetables are far more interesting!
[02:40] <Yagisan> s/meating/meeting
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ouch
[02:40] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: what uni ? I'm looking to dump mine as it's as useful as tits on a bull
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: macquarie uni
[02:40] <zakame> Yagisan: LOL!
[02:41] <zakame> meating indeed
[02:41] <Hobbsee> the program that i'm doing, they want me to do 4 hours of lectures straight!
[02:41] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I need one that does distance study
[02:41] <Hobbsee> i'm doing a bachelor of technology in optoelectronics
[02:41] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:41] <Hobbsee> where are you, anyway?
[02:41] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: CSU punished me for actually trying to get an education and asking questions
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:41] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: Lidcombe
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[02:42] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: no joke - from 80-100% to 0
[02:42] <Hobbsee> well if you want to use one of the lessons that you've learned in messing around with timetables, you're welcome to do mine lol :P
[02:44] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I was doing a Bach in I.T (Not needed here in Aus, but customers in the land of the rising sun feel better if I have it)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[02:44] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: 2 Cert 4's, 2 Dips, and 1 Adv Dip == I spent too much time studying
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:47] <Hobbsee> why cant the second semester be as simple and relatively nicely worked out as the first?
[02:47] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: it can't be too bad. They are forcing me to learn java
[02:47] <Hobbsee> yucky
[02:47] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: haven't I been punished enough ??
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:48] <Hobbsee> !
[02:48] <Hobbsee> clearly not
[02:49] <Hobbsee> oh well...night all
[02:50] <jpatrick> night
[02:58] <siretart> StevenK: yes, do you have any idea what could be the cause?
[03:00] <zakame> Yagisan: <drum roll>
[03:04] <Toadstool> siretart: about revu mail notices, is it possible to add a In-Reply-To field with the Message-ID of the first upload notification so that threads about a particular package stay grouped ? :)
[03:08] <jpatrick> raphink: do I need to be an MOTU to review at REVU?
[03:09] <raphink> yes jpatrick
[03:09] <jpatrick> I thought you were one before...
[03:09] <Yagisan> zakame: Yagisan takes it! Yagisan's bloodshot eyes reign supreme <cue Iron Chef end credits>
[03:11] <zakame> raphink was given special privs iirc :)
[03:11] <zakame> indeed, he's the REVU masta :D
[03:11] <jpatrick> yes he was
[03:11] <raphink> zakame: the revu masta is siretart iirc ;)
[03:12] <zakame> raphink: err right :) sorry
[03:18] <marcin_ant> raphink, hi again
[03:18] <marcin_ant> raphink, got solution to this mysql issue you were talking about
[03:19] <marcin_ant> raphink, but still no luck with this *.postinst crap :(
[03:19] <raphink> argh :s
[03:28] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:29] <zakame> heya sistpoty :)
[03:29] <Gloubiboulga> hi sus
[03:29] <Gloubiboulga> :/
[03:29] <Gloubiboulga> hi sistpoty
[03:30] <sistpoty> heya
[03:30] <raphink> hi sistpoty
[03:33] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, Katie didn't mail me about libswitch
[03:33] <Gloubiboulga> you uploaded it iirc
[03:34] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: I got an accepted... it will need to pass the new queue first though
[03:34] <Gloubiboulga> ok, thanks
[03:34] <sistpoty> s/accepted/is new/
[03:34] <sistpoty> np
[03:34] <marcin_ant> are there any rules when apt decides when regenerate or not to regenerate package config files?
[03:34] <raphink> one of my packages was accepted, built but never reached the binary repos
[03:35] <raphink> although it was successful on buildd
[03:35] <raphink> I tried pinging lamont but he didn't answer
[03:35] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, do you know why so ?
[03:35] <raphink> no idea
[03:36] <sistpoty> marcin_ant: what do you mean with "regenerate package config file"?
[03:37] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, I'm trying to create package and I got 'beautifull' postinst sctipr
[03:37] <lfittl> raphink: I have the same problem, if you find out who could fix this, please inform me ;)
[03:38] <raphink> lamont, only lamont lfittl
[03:38] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, and this postinst generates config file with mysql connection settings for some webapp
[03:38] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, it _should_ work but unfortunately when trying to install package
[03:38] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, I can see this
[03:39] <lfittl> raphink: k, thanks
[03:39] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, "Not replacing deleted config file /usr/share/vtiger-crm/connection.php
[03:39] <marcin_ant> "
[03:39] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, and I'm really annoyed now because without this connection config application won't work
[03:39] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, and I'm sure that script that generates this config is ok
[03:40] <sistpoty> marcin_ant: that's interesting... didn't see this one before...
[03:40] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, but have no idea why apt refuses to regenerate this file
[03:40] <lfittl> raphink: I saw that your preferred e-mail address on launchpad is set to your @ubuntu.com address, isn't that causing errors with the forwarding of your @ubuntu.com address?
[03:41] <sistpoty> marcin_ant: my guess would be that it is registered as config file by apt and got deleted somehow. have you tried purging your deb (imo apt's knowledge about the config file should then go away)?
[03:42] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, yes I purge this file in postrm with just some rm -f
[03:43] <raphink> lfittl: nope, no error
[03:43] <sistpoty> marcin_ant: oh... I guess you just shouldn't do that, if the file is in the package, since apt should will do this for you (iirc)
[03:43] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, I got if [ "$1" = "purge" ] ; then rm -f ..............connection.php fi
[03:43] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, this file is not in package :(
[03:44] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, I generate this file from another template with script called from postinst
[03:44] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, I got /etc/mypackage/connection.template
[03:44] <lfittl> raphink: I thought elmo once said the script that updates the @ubuntu.com takes the preferred address from launchpad, that behaviour must have changed then
[03:44] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, then I use postinst to parse this connection.template - replace some tokens
[03:44] <sistpoty> marcin_ant: this is really strange then, because apt shouldn't know about the file then (and thus could not complain)
[03:45] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, and output this to /usr/share/mypackage/connection.php
[03:45] <sistpoty> marcin_ant: do you have the source package anywhere? then i could take a look
[03:45] <marcin_ant> sistpoty, moment
[03:46] <raphink> lfittl: ah!
[03:46] <raphink> lfittl: I don't think so, I receive the emails sent to ubuntu.com
[03:48] <lfittl> raphink: k, good to know :)
[03:49] <raphink> ;)
[03:49] <raphink> you can try it and see if that works lfittl :)
[03:49] <raphink> send me a message
[03:49] <raphink> :)
[03:50] <lfittl> me too :)
[03:51] <lfittl> while I am sending the message, do you have some time to review some patches?
[03:52] <lfittl> (bug 30705, bug 30706, bug 30708)
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
[03:54] <lfittl> oh, and also bug 29366
[03:54] <Ubugtu> Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
[03:54] <lfittl> Seveas: is there something wrong with Ubugtu?
[03:54] <Seveas> yes
[03:55] <lfittl> k, if you know that this is not working, i know it will be fixed soon :)
[03:55] <zakame> Ubugtu: you did?
[03:58] <siretart> Toadstool: not easily, that message notification is implemented quite hackish
[03:58] <lfittl> Seveas: does the @reload command affect all channels?
[03:58] <Seveas> bug 29366
[03:58] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29366 in gdesklets "[Dapper] Depends: libgtop2-5 (>=2.9.4) but it is not installable" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29366
[03:58] <Seveas> (yes)
[03:58] <lfittl> perfect :)
[03:59] <Toadstool> siretart: oki, that was just a proposal, may I have a look at the code of the notification system ?
[04:00] <lfittl> siretart: do you have some time to review my patches for bug 30705, bug 30706 and bug 30708?
[04:00] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30705 in slmon "Requires rebuild for new libgtop" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30705
[04:00] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30706 in bubblemon "Requires rebuild for new libgtop" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30706
[04:00] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30708 in wmufo "Requires rebuild for new libgtop, bad build deps" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30708
[04:00] <Seveas> bug 1,2,3
[04:00] <Ubugtu> malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:00] <Seveas> hmm
[04:00] <jamessan> hah
[04:01] <jamessan> any ETA on a fix for that?  ;)
[04:01] <siretart> Toadstool: there is no point in spending much energy in the old codebase. If you want to help, please contribute to revu2: http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
[04:01] <Seveas> RSN, making the monstruous regex even bigger...
[04:02] <Toadstool> siretart: oki, I thought the code on the Trac was the one in production
[04:02] <siretart> Toadstool: no
[04:03] <siretart> Toadstool: the code from trac is not really usable yet.
[04:03] <Toadstool> yeah I've quickly read it already
[04:03] <sistpoty> unfortunately... maybe I'll have a little bit time later this week :)
[04:03] <siretart> hi sistpoty
[04:03] <sistpoty> hi siretart, Toadstool bztw
[04:03] <Toadstool> hi sistpoty
[04:03] <siretart> :)
[04:04] <sistpoty> Toadstool: I didn't come to review your package yet, but I will do later today ;)
[04:04] <Toadstool> I don't mind I'm not that in a hurry you know ;)
[04:04] <Toadstool> that's my first attempt to package
[04:04] <sistpoty> hehe, you should be... FeatureFreeze is comming (too) soon ;)
[04:05] <Toadstool> yeah well I hope upstream is going to quickly answer to my mail about the license issue...
[04:08] <sistpoty> :)
[04:08] <Seveas> bug 1,3, 1000,#30000
[04:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3 in rosetta "Custom links for each translation team." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3
[04:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 1000 in launchpad "There are too many bug reports in Malone" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1000
[04:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30000 in gnome-system-tools "Start of week is Tuesday - change not obvious" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30000
[04:08] <lfittl> :)
[04:09] <sistpoty> uh, nice!
[04:09] <Seveas> there ya go, insta-flood :)
[04:09] <Toadstool> :)
[04:09] <sistpoty> for i in range[1,1000] : bug i :P
[04:10] <Seveas> there is a throttling mechanism
[04:10] <Seveas> and I'm going to limit it to 5
[04:11] <zakame> gn8
[04:11] <Gloubiboulga> good night zakame
[04:11] <Seveas> bug 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21
[04:11] <Ubugtu> malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:11] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3 in rosetta "Custom links for each translation team." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3
[04:11] <Ubugtu> malone bug 5 in rosetta "Plone Placeless Translation Service metadata missing from po files" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5
[04:11] <Yagisan> night zakame
[04:12] <Seveas> muha :)
[04:12] <sistpoty> great
[04:12] <Toadstool> this bot rocks :)
[04:13] <Seveas> if you want more: bug 1,2,3,4,5 bug 7,8,9,10
[04:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3 in rosetta "Custom links for each translation team." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3
[04:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 4 in rosetta "Importing finished po doesn't change progressbar" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4
[04:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 5 in rosetta "Plone Placeless Translation Service metadata missing from po files" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5
[04:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 7 in rosetta "Need newbie documentation" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7
[04:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 8 in rosetta "Translator forums/means of communication" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/8
[04:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 9 in rosetta "Rosetta's po parser is too strict" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/9
[04:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 10 in malone "It says "displaying matching bugs 1 to 8 of 8", but there is 9" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/10
[04:15] <Toadstool> siretart or sistpoty: is there a spec available for revu2 ?
[04:15] <sistpoty> Toadstool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU2Spec
[04:16] <Toadstool> thanks
[04:17] <phanatic> hi people
[04:18] <Yagisan> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4281
[04:18] <Yagisan> damm no reaction :(
[04:19] <sistpoty> it will listen only to *some* ppl :P
[04:20] <phanatic> raphink: ping
[04:20] <raphink> phanatic: pong
[04:21] <phanatic> raphink: regarding http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1669 - i only have to correct 'Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper' to 'Build-Depends: debhelper', right?
[04:23] <sistpoty> lucas: got my mail to -motu regarding flashplugin-nonfree?
[04:23] <raphink> yep phanatic
[04:23] <raphink> but it's a main issue phanatic, according to the reports on debian-devel
[04:23] <lucas> yup, replied
[04:24] <sistpoty> lucas: ah, k... (mail's not here yet)... will you take a look?
[04:24] <lucas> I'm busy those days
[04:24] <sistpoty> ok
[04:24] <lucas> a lot of jabber stuff to deal with
[04:25] <phanatic> raphink: what do you mean by "it's a main issue"?
[04:26] <raphink> phanatic: it can generate huge bugs to use debhelper in Build-Depends-Indep from what I've understood
[04:27] <raphink> although I've not gotten much further, it is not recommended
[04:27] <raphink> a tall
[04:27] <phanatic> okay
[04:27] <phanatic> i upload the corrected package now
[04:28] <phanatic> it's good to know anyway...
[04:28] <raphink> cool
[04:29] <phanatic> done, should appear any minute :)
[04:30] <raphink> ok
[04:31] <Gloubiboulga> is gettext needed in build-deps ?
[04:31] <Gloubiboulga> I've never seen it, but I can be wrong
[04:32] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: does a postinst/prerm or so scirpt use a gettext prog ?
[04:33] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: check the functions used in the scripts
[04:33] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, no script
[04:33] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: even in debian/rules?
[04:33] <Gloubiboulga> cdbs rules... you're the expert ;)
[04:34] <Gloubiboulga> but I don't think it's used
[04:34] <raphink> no it's not used by cdbs
[04:34] <raphink> otherwise cdbs would depend on it and it would be no issue
[04:34] <Gloubiboulga> right
[04:34] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: the debian/rules is only cdbs? nothing more?
[04:35] <phanatic> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1676
[04:35] <raphink> I'll have a look phanatic
[04:36] <raphink> report running phanatic, let's wait ;)
[04:36] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, xsltproc is used, but nothing else
[04:36] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: what is this prog in ? in which package?
[04:36] <phanatic> raphink: okay, thanks :)
[04:38] <raphink> phanatic: ready to upload :)
[04:38] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, it's used to manage dockbook to man conversion
[04:38] <raphink> hmm
[04:38] <raphink> there's docbook2x for that
[04:39] <Gloubiboulga> yep, I'll propose the packager to use it
[04:39] <Gloubiboulga> but I think gettext build-dep is useless anyway
[04:40] <raphink> phanatic: uploaded
[04:40] <raphink> phanatic: are you subscribed to Katie ?
[04:42] <lfittl> My UVF exception for lyx got accepted 1 week ago, but nothing happend so far, could somebody upload it for me? (revu 1537)
[04:53] <Mez> ogra: ping
[05:00] <phanatic> raphink: nope
[05:00] <raphink> phanatic: you should ping elmo to be whitelisted for katie, so you get the noticed on whether your packages are accepted or rejected and why
[05:00] <raphink> phanatic: otherwise, nobody will know
[05:02] <phanatic> raphink: shall i contact elmo here on irc?
[05:04] <ogra> raphink, we dont use katie anymore
[05:04] <raphink> ogra: ?
[05:04] <ogra> raphink, katie was replaced by soyuz
[05:04] <raphink> ogra: oh yes :)
[05:04] <lfittl> ogra: do you get ACCEPTED/REJECTED notifications from soyuz?
[05:05] <raphink> poor katie :s
[05:05] <lfittl> ogra: or asked in a different way: Is the source NEW queue managed by soyuz?
[05:06] <ogra> lfittl, yes and yes
[05:06] <lfittl> nice :)
[05:06] <raphink> ogra: are the packagers/uploaders notified by default by soyuz ?
[05:06] <raphink> or do we need to be whitelisted again?
[05:06] <ogra> no idea :=)
[05:06] <raphink> hehe
[05:06] <raphink> would b enice to know ;)
[05:06] <ogra> but its not elmo and katie anymore, thats for sure
[05:07] <sistpoty> to my knowledge the uploaders are notified
[05:07] <sistpoty> and I'd assume that no whitelisting is necessary... this just wouldn't fit into LP ;)
[05:08] <ogra> at least you need a working launchpad account, thats the prerequisite
[05:08] <ogra> and whitelisting will happen through it ...
[05:08] <ogra> but dont ask me how :)
[05:09] <sistpoty> whitelisting == sign COC? *g*
[05:09] <sistpoty> or better: karma > 10 *g*
[05:11] <lfittl> maybe whitelisting is now done through LP teams, but that would be really bad for MOTU wannabees..
[05:13] <sistpoty> well, we could just ask over in #lp... but speculating is more fun ;)
[05:14] <lfittl> yep :)
[05:31] <siretart> crimsun: around?
[06:02] <derekS> i have a question. can someone tell me why mutt requires postfix?
[06:04] <sistpoty> derekS: it calls sendmail iirc and thus needs an m-t-a (so the depends: on postfix | mail-transport-agent)
[06:04] <sistpoty> derekS: this has also be discussed on ubuntu-devel ml... but I don't know exactly how long ago
[06:05] <derekS> sistpoty: what would the effect of putting postfix onto my system?
[06:05] <derekS> any security concerns?
[06:06] <sistpoty> derekS: not quite sure if the server is started by default...
[06:06] <derekS> sistpoty: ok, is there another console imap reader you would reccomend, that doesn't require postfix?
[06:07] <sistpoty> derekS: no, I'm not using console-mail reader, so I can't help you there ;)
[06:07] <derekS> sistpoty: well thanks for your help anyways :)
[06:07] <sistpoty> np
[06:09] <derekS> wait, is postfix installed by default (i am reading old ML emails, and it seems it is)
[06:10] <Toadstool> you have to have an mta for some other daemons to work correctly iirc
[06:11] <derekS> i can't find sendmail or postfix on my system...
[06:12] <sistpoty> derekS: no /usr/bin/sendmail?
[06:12] <Toadstool> maybe exim ? exim is installed by default on debian
[06:12] <sistpoty> ' /usr/sbin/sendmail actually
[06:13] <derekS> none of those
[06:13] <Toadstool> derekS: don't you have mailx installed ?
[06:14] <derekS> i don't think so, lemme check dpkg
[06:14] <Toadstool> it depends on postfix | mail-transport-agent and is installed on a default ubuntu system i think
[06:14] <derekS> nope
[06:14] <Toadstool> hum weird
[06:14] <ogra> no MTA is installed by default ...
[06:14] <derekS> is it part of kubuntu-desktop?
[06:14] <Toadstool> i have to take some more ubuntu lessons then :)
[06:16] <Toadstool> it's been a long time since i didn't install a full ubuntu and customized it completely, my computer runs ubuntu since warty and I only dist-upgraded for each release
[06:16] <derekS> i don't think i have removed anything on this
[06:18] <ogra> MTA was installed until hoary ... if you upgraded it might still be there
[06:18] <ogra> newly installed breezys wont have it
[06:18] <derekS> ogra: ok, this was a fresh breezy
[06:18] <Toadstool> ah ok
[06:18] <derekS> what would you reccomend in my situation?
[06:19] <derekS> i want mutt, but don't want to worry about security
[06:19] <ogra> suod apt-get install postfix ?
[06:19] <derekS> what will an MTA do (other than allow me to use mutt)
[06:20] <Toadstool> derekS: by default it only listens to the loopback adress, so no security issues
[06:20] <siretart> sure, it is not that mission critical, but quite convinient..
[06:20] <ogra> derekS, not much more ... since all mail transporting actions are disabled ... you probably might get cron mails ...
[06:20] <derekS> hmm, ok, i am going to install, then make sure it only looks at loopback
[06:21] <ogra> it asks you on install if you only want local transport
[06:21] <ogra> just say yes there :)
[06:22] <jpatrick> hey apachelogger!
[06:22] <jpatrick> I believe they uploaded your kblogger package :)
[06:25] <derekS> ogra: what config file would that be in... i chose local, but i just want to ensure
[06:25] <siretart> lifeless: can you help me out please: it seems that python2.4-bazaar and pybaz provide same file, but do not conflict each other. I think one of them is obsolete, but I don't know which. can you help me out?
[06:26] <Toadstool> derekS: /etc/postfix/main.cf
[06:26] <derekS> would this be right... inet_interfaces = loopback-only
[06:31] <jpatrick> apacheLAGger: did you get the messages I sent?
[06:31] <apacheLAGger> jpatrick: nope :|
[06:31] <jpatrick> is to be installed
[06:31] <apachelogger> kewl :-)
[06:32] <jpatrick> [18:22:06]  <jpatrick> hey apachelogger!
[06:32] <jpatrick> [18:22:27]  <jpatrick> I believe they uploaded your kblogger package :)
[06:32] <apachelogger> aye, got that
[06:32] <apachelogger> ;-)
[06:35] <Gloubiboulga> dapper still uses gstreamer0.8 or 0.10 ?
[06:35] <Amaranth> 0.10
[06:36] <Gloubiboulga> ok thanks Amaranth
[06:40] <slomo> well, depends... we will have many packages in universe which will still use 0.8
[06:40] <derekS> Toadstool: how would i go about sending an email to myself, to create the spoolfile (which i need for mutt
[06:41] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, both 0.8 and 0.10 can be installed without conflict ?
[06:41] <slomo> yes
[06:41] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[06:41] <Toadstool> derekS: I think this kind of question may be treated on #ubuntu instead of here
[06:42] <derekS> Toadstool: ok
[07:24] <dolson> my mouse stopped working :(
[07:35] <stratus> dolson: blame ogra
[07:35] <ogra> stratus, ??
[07:36] <dolson> ogra: why did you break my mouse? :(
[07:36] <stratus> ogra: you're now the official ubuntu mouse breaker(tm)
[07:36] <ogra> haha
[07:36] <stratus> dolson: no, you should said that you tried the mdetect thing
[07:36] <ogra> i dont break mice
[07:36] <dolson> it's been slowly dying for a couple weeks, and now it's dead
[07:37] <stratus> ogra: heh
[07:37] <dolson> but it was working fine until I came in here
[07:37] <stratus> dolson: shut up and use the trackpad
[07:37] <ogra> mdetect wont do any harm to any furry animals :)
[07:37] <dolson> what trackpad
[07:37] <stratus> dolson: if you're not using a laptop you should be logged in a server. there are no desktops
[07:37] <Mez|Work> whta happened to webmin in dapper ?
[07:37] <stratus> ogra: heh
[07:38] <dolson> I am on a desktop :P well, a coffee-table top..
[07:39] <stratus> dolson: i don't trust machines that i can't throw against a wall easily
[07:39] <dolson> well, I have removable hard drives, so I could pull it out and throw it against a wall easy enough
[07:40] <stratus> dolson: good trick.
[07:40] <dolson> I've had other mice that have lasted for years and years... but this one hasn't lasted very lock
[07:40] <dolson> long I mean
[07:40] <dolson> maybe it just needs to be rebooted
[07:40] <dolson> it is a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical, after all
[07:41] <stratus> buy a new one and blame the manufacturer, the driver, bush, whatever.
[07:41] <dolson> bush - not my president!
[07:41] <dolson> (because I'm Canadian)
[07:42] <stratus> point of view matter, imho
[07:42] <dolson> I live in the State of Ontario! :)
[07:42] <stratus> heh
[07:42] <dolson> it kinda is the United States of Canada. or maybe more properly the United Provinces of America
[07:43] <stratus> quick fix: 'north america'
[07:43] <dolson> really north
[07:43] <stratus> sure
[07:44] <dolson> we measure our snow in hours here
[07:45] <stratus> yes, i'm sure you're using weird measure units for almost everything. :-)
[07:45] <dolson> yesterday we had two hours worth of shovelling before we could get our car out of the driveway. I hate this place. I think we should build a great big dome over all of Ontario so as to block out the sun-- er, snow
[07:45] <chillywilly> isn't there a meta package that will install development tools?
[07:45] <chillywilly> and is it on the install disk?
[07:45] <chillywilly> cause I really need it
[07:45] <stratus> chillywilly: which dev tools?
[07:45] <chillywilly> need to build drivers for sangoma card
[07:45] <chillywilly> no T1 until then :(((
[07:45] <stratus> chillywilly: do you want build-essential?
[07:45] <dolson> ooh, an asterisk user
[07:45] <ogra> build-essential
[07:46] <chillywilly> nope, it's just for internet
[07:46] <dolson> oh lol
[07:46] <chillywilly> ogra: do you know if that's on the install disk?
[07:47] <ogra> it is
[07:47] <chillywilly> thanks
[07:48] <chillywilly> having no internet at that location really sucks
[07:51] <bddebian> Hey gang
[07:52] <bddebian> Anyone know how I can pass dpkg's --root=/foo to apt-get using -o ?
[07:52] <bddebian> Is it even possible?
[08:04] <sistpoty> hey bddebian
[08:04] <sistpoty> no idea actually...
[08:05] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[08:05] <bddebian> I thought maybe I'd come to the wrong channel :-)
[08:05] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:06] <bddebian> I don't think I've ever seen it this quiet in here :-)
[08:06] <sistpoty> seems like everyone is busy ;)
[08:07] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[08:07] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[08:09] <LaserJock> it should be pretty easy to make a dapper chroot in sarge, right?
[08:10] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I guess it should, but I'm not sure if you'll need this (and/or s.th. else) from dappers debootstrap: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/dapper
[08:11] <LaserJock> yeah, so maybe I can install the dapper debootsrap .deb
[08:11] <LaserJock> hmm, it's running a 2.4 kernel, whould that be a problem?
[08:12] <sistpoty> LaserJock: not quite sure about that... haven't tried yet ;)
[08:13] <LaserJock> I think I'll give it a go. Right now all I have access to is OSX and a sarge install and I want to be able to do some pbuilder work
[08:13] <sistpoty> :)
[08:15] <LaserJock> it would be nice if they got dapper working on the mac Intel chips :-)
[08:22] <crimsun> siretart: pong
[09:07] <lfittl> sistpoty: do you have time to upload 4 patches for me?
[09:07] <sistpoty> lfittl: yes
[09:08] <lfittl> bug 29366, 30705, 30706, 30708
[09:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29366 in gdesklets "[Dapper] Depends: libgtop2-5 (>=2.9.4) but it is not installable" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29366
[09:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30705 in slmon "Requires rebuild for new libgtop" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30705
[09:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30706 in bubblemon "Requires rebuild for new libgtop" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30706
[09:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30708 in wmufo "Requires rebuild for new libgtop, bad build deps" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30708
[09:08] <lfittl> changelog patches are attached to every bug ;)
[09:09] <sistpoty> lfittl: will take some time... stay tuned for incoming mails ;)
[09:09] <lfittl> k, thanks :)
[09:12] <sistpoty> lfittl: gdesklets: mere rebuilds should be numbered -Xbuild1 instead of -XubuntuY (as long there is no -Xubuntu(Y-1) version yet)...
[09:12] <sistpoty> lfittl: I'll fix it in the patch ;)
[09:13] <lfittl> k, sry for that, will do that in future rebuild patches
[09:13] <sistpoty> np... just wanted to inform you... (reason is that -XbuildY will be autosynced, -XubuntuY have to be merged)
[09:14] <lfittl> oh, than its really better to use -XbuildY :)
[09:14] <sistpoty> yes... if it weren't for the merges, it wouldn't matter ;)
[09:37] <sistpoty> lfittl: for wmufo: "Removed some bad build-deps..."
[09:38] <sistpoty> lfittl: it would be good, if you could be more verbose and name what you removed (at least in the future) ;)
[09:38] <lfittl> sistpoty: k, will try to be more verbose in the future ;)
[09:38] <sistpoty> :)
[09:39] <sistpoty> lol, there is a file named ALL_I_GET_IS_AN_ALIEN_FACE in the source *g*
[09:39] <lfittl> lol :)
[09:40] <lfittl> btw.: are you also working through the unmet-deps list?
[09:41] <sistpoty> lfittl: yes... (actually I'm trying to do some programming work and only run a pbuilder in the background)
[09:42] <lfittl> me too, programming on the laptop, and fixing packages on the computer :)
[09:42] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:43] <jpatrick> yet an program beginning with K by me: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1683
[09:43] <ogra> jpatrick, should we call you Kjpatrick ? :)
[09:44] <jpatrick> ogra: :) - but K-MOTU sounds nice :)
[09:44] <ogra> heh
[09:45] <sistpoty> damn, all these new packages on review... we should make up a policy like "fix two bugs and we'll review your package" :P
[09:45] <sistpoty> s/on review/on revu/
[09:46] <lfittl> well, feature freeze is coming, people want to get their packages in ;)
[09:47] <jpatrick> wait it's at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1684
[09:47] <sistpoty> sure, they do... I also want to get a package in (but didn't have time to package it yet :()
[09:47] <Toadstool> for example, i'd like my first one to be in dapper yeah :)
[09:49] <Toadstool> but as everybody here has a lot of work to do I understand that it takes time
[09:55] <lfittl> sistpoty: thank you for uploading the patches, if I find some other packages that need a simple rebuild, should I open a bug, or just send you a message?
[09:57] <slomo_> ogra: ping? you wanted to have f-spot on your ibook iirc... just use "deb http://tiber.tauware.de/~slomo/mono-ppc ./"
[09:59] <ogra> slomo_, will do, thanks a lot ...
[09:59] <ogra> :)
[10:01] <slomo_> np :) i have to build this stuff for me anyway
[10:01] <ogra> does your sound work with todays kernel ?
[10:02] <sistpoty> lfittl: sorry, was just afk... you can just send me a patch (sistpoty@ubuntu.com)
[10:03] <lfittl> sistpoty: np, will send you some patches tonight :)
[10:03] <slomo_> ogra: nope :( it can open the device but no sound
[10:04] <ogra> ah, k, so i'm not alone... semms it worked for pitti
[10:04] <slomo_> hm, didn't he say that it doesn't work for him too?
[10:06] <ogra> it worked after an extra reboot ...
[10:07] <slomo_> interesting
[10:07] <slomo_> maybe i should reboot again :)I
[10:07] <Kyral> Yo Motuish people
[10:07] <ogra> i had already 10+ reboots ...
[10:07] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[10:10] <lifeless> siretart: I dont see a python2.4-bazaar package in dapper
[10:15] <ajmitch_> lifeless: python2.4-pybaz?
[10:15] <ajmitch_> hm now
[10:16] <ajmitch_> s/now/no/
[10:16] <ajmitch_> there's just a pybaz binary, how strange
[10:22] <Kyral> hmm
[10:22] <Kyral> how does uscan work? Like how easy would it be to adapt to source packages?
[10:25] <lifeless> ajmitch_: see scrollback for siretarts question
[10:36] <sistpoty> Kyral: why would you want to do this? (and there is an option to specify the watch-file iirc)
[10:36] <Kyral> sistpoty: to maintain something like a LFS system
[10:37] <sistpoty> ah... happy LFSing ;)
[10:37] <Kyral> hhee
[10:37] <Kyral> thanks :D
[10:37] <Kyral> Any experiance with it?
[10:38] <sistpoty> no... at least not LFS, though I went to a course "creating a linux distribution" once which had a similar goal (but with use of rpm or dpkg)
[10:38] <Kyral> ah
[10:38] <Kyral> I wanna do it at least once
[10:39] <Kyral> and I have been yearning for the "Good Old Days"
[10:39] <sistpoty> hehe...
[10:39] <sistpoty> well debootstrapping was most fun of it (we had to write our own scripts to debootstrap and to create an initial install disk)
[10:40] <Kyral> Plus I'd love to boot my laptop in class and have someone ask me what Distro I am running and reply "GNU/Linux, plain and simple"
[10:41] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:41] <ajmitch_> I'd rather have my laptop boot
[10:41] <Kyral> Oh it will
[10:41] <Kyral> besides the laptop isn't my production box
[10:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: do you have a production box ;-)
[10:43] <Kyral> LaserJock: Technically the Desktop is
[10:43] <Kyral> It runs my Webserver, and holds all my packaging and anime stuff
[10:43] <LaserJock> well, I got rid of mine yesterday :(
[10:44] <LaserJock> hopefully I will have it up and running tonight
[10:44] <sistpoty> Toadstool: applying patch 06_dhcpv6-kame-mans-update to ./ ... failed. --> FTBFS :(
[10:44] <Toadstool> argh
[10:45] <Kyral> So yah
[10:45] <Kyral> basically on my LFS box I wanna keep the source archives and use something like uscan to tell me when new versions are out
[10:46] <Kyral> Though I may just write my own utility...
[10:47] <Toadstool> sistpoty: i'm working on it, in 2 minutes it's ok :)
[10:47] <sistpoty> Toadstool: k
[10:47] <Kyral> Is the Beagle UVF gonna be accepted?
[10:48] <tseng> dude i just posted it 5 minutes ago
[10:48] <Kyral> Oh thats you tseng?
[10:49] <ajmitch_> Kyral: you're as bad as those forums people
[10:49] <Kyral> huh?
[10:54] <ajmitch_> that's ok
[11:02] <Toadstool> sistpoty: it must be ok now
[11:02] <sistpoty> Toadstool: ok, I'll check
[11:02] <Toadstool> thanks
[11:05] <marcin_ant> raphink, ping
[11:06] <raphink> marcin_ant: wait a min
[11:07] <raphink> marcin_ant: what is there?
[11:08] <raphink> marcin_ant: ?
[11:13] <marcin_ant> hello
[11:13] <raphink> :)
[11:13] <marcin_ant> raphink, please take a look at my comment on launchpad page
[11:14] <raphink> marcin_ant: can you give me the url?
[11:14] <raphink> please
[11:14] <marcin_ant> raphink, https://launchpad.net/bounties/vtiger-universe
[11:14] <marcin_ant> raphink, maybe you could tell something about mysql-server issue
[11:15] <raphink> wait a bit marcin_ant ok?
[11:15] <marcin_ant> ok
[11:17] <raphink> marcin_ant: you have the pb I had
[11:17] <raphink> we don't want this package to configure mysql
[11:18] <raphink> marcin_ant: I think your post it pretty right
[11:19] <raphink> maybe debconf could prompt for the mysql settings to be achieved later
[11:19] <raphink> but then I don't think we want this package to set mysql really
[11:19] <raphink> that's dirty
[11:19] <raphink> in particular, we surely do not want it to prompt the user with the root password for mysql and so on
[11:20] <marcin_ant> hmmm so then we got a problem
[11:21] <marcin_ant> 1. if we don't set mysql-server as dependency
[11:21] <marcin_ant> then we won't be able to just apt-get install vtiger-crm
[11:21] <raphink> yes
[11:21] <raphink> since this is an ERP, it is supposed to be installed on a whole network imo
[11:21] <raphink> not on a single computer
[11:22] <raphink> but then the idea is that in most cases, the mysql db will be on the same server running vtiger
[11:22] <ogra> the question is, does vtiger only work with mysql ? or could it also work with postgres, oracle etc ?
[11:22] <raphink> and users will access vtiger through intranet
[11:22] <raphink> ogra: I think it only works with mysql
[11:22] <marcin_ant> 2. but then if we set mysql-server as dependency we will have a problem with remote mysql-servers
[11:23] <lifeless> if I may suggest
[11:23] <ogra> make it a recommedns then or even a suggests ... but that wont solve your prob though
[11:23] <marcin_ant> ogra, currently only with mysql but there are some patches that allow to set up vtiger-crm with postgresql
[11:23] <lifeless> have a package for the 'server' and one for the 'client'
[11:23] <lifeless> the client requires mysql-client
[11:23] <marcin_ant> ogra, but in fact it isn;t big problem since I splitted vtiger-crm package into modules already
[11:24] <ogra> ah, so you have a vtiger-mysql package ?
[11:24] <marcin_ant> ogra, and I got vtiger-crm-mysl + vtiger-crm + vtiger-themes, lan packs etc.
[11:24] <marcin_ant> ogra, yes
[11:24] <ogra> cool
[11:24] <lifeless> the server is a dummy package that pulls in the real server bits, and mysql, but you can install just the server bits ifyou have a remote sql server
[11:24] <marcin_ant> ogra, so I can set up dependency as vtiger-crm-mysql | vtiger-crm-postgresql
[11:24] <ogra> yup
[11:25] <lifeless> or in other words, one package name that apt-get install drags in the database engine, and another package name that apt-get install does not drag in the db engine
[11:25] <marcin_ant> but there is still a problem with mysql defaults
[11:25] <ogra> you cant assume defaults ...
[11:25] <marcin_ant> lifeless, so... maybe vtiger-crm-mysql-local + vtiger-crm-mysql-remote?
[11:25] <ogra> a sane mysql admin will not use root as admin user
[11:25] <sistpoty> Toadstool: I took a close look to the package now, looks really good!
[11:25] <sistpoty> Toadstool: however it won't purge :(
[11:26] <Toadstool> uh ?!
[11:26] <lifeless> marcin_ant: something like that. I mean, I dont know the software, I'm only trying to sketch the way you break it out
[11:26] <marcin_ant> lifeless, that could be pretty good idea...
[11:26] <ogra> lifeless++
[11:26] <lifeless> one package with the functionality, another with the dependency for 'plug and play'
[11:26] <ogra> but you will still need name and pass for the DB admin
[11:27] <sistpoty> Toadstool: you seem to have an error in dhcpv6-kame-relay's postrm
[11:27] <marcin_ant> ogra, well... yes and not...
[11:27] <Toadstool> yeah sistpoty i've read you comment on revu
[11:27] <ogra> marcin_ant, not ?
[11:27] <Toadstool> i'm on it :)
[11:27] <sistpoty> :)
[11:27] <marcin_ant> ogra, I thought about parsing /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
[11:27] <marcin_ant> ogra, to get default debian-sys-maint account and password
[11:27] <ogra> hmm
[11:28] <ogra> is it stored in plaintext ?
[11:28] <marcin_ant> ogra, then it's enough to set up database for vtiger and create separate user account on mysql server for vtiger user
[11:28] <marcin_ant> ogra, yes
[11:28] <ogra> (its some years ago that i had my last mysql to manage)
[11:29] <Toadstool> ok sistpoty I've found what it is, a non printable utf-8 character bash doesn't like :p
[11:29] <Toadstool> now it works
[11:29] <sistpoty> nasty *g*
[11:29] <sistpoty> cool, upload it! ;)
[11:31] <Toadstool> sistpoty: done
[11:32] <sistpoty> (as soon as it's there)
[11:32] <Toadstool> yep :)
[11:32] <lifeless> azeem: so, when you gonna upload the modules ?
[11:32] <marcin_ant> ok so let's think - we could have some 'database related' packages for vtiger
[11:33] <marcin_ant> for example vtiger-crm-mysql-local and v-c-mysql-remote or postgresql-local etc.
[11:34] <marcin_ant> and in vtiger-crm-mysql-local we got mysql-server as dependency
[11:34] <marcin_ant> and config will use default maint account to set up database for vtiger
[11:34] <marcin_ant> but then how user can choose database backend?
[11:35] <marcin_ant> john doe will run: apt-get install vtiger-crm... and what then?
[11:36] <marcin_ant> ogra, what do you think about it?
[11:36] <Toadstool> sistpoty: when I read the postrm using iso-8859-1 encoding, it shows "if [ -e /etc/default/dhcpv6-kame-relay ] ; then" :)
[11:38] <ogra> marcin_ant, hmm, tricky ...
[11:39] <marcin_ant> ogra, another thing is that we already have some packages that use dbconfig-common (and I also would like to use this infrastructure tools)
[11:40] <marcin_ant> ogra, for example cacti
[11:40] <marcin_ant> ogra, and it has the same issue
[11:40] <marcin_ant> ogra, because it recommends mysql-server and only has mysql-client as dependency
[11:41] <ogra> it doesnt seem like something you can solve fully automatic without breaking it
[11:41] <ogra> (cacti)
[11:41] <marcin_ant> ogra, but then even if you got mysql-server installed (but don't have password set manually for root)
[11:41] <ogra> users will slay you if you break cacti
[11:41] <marcin_ant> ogra, it will install without problems but won't work
[11:41] <ogra> yup
[11:42] <marcin_ant> well I don't want to break anything - just improve
[11:42] <ogra> i guess the debian policy has something to say about it ...
[11:43] <marcin_ant> currently user has to install mysql-server first, then mysqladmin -u root password somepassword and then finally you can install cacti
[11:43] <marcin_ant> ogra, you mean this: http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ ?
[11:44] <marcin_ant> ogra, and specifically this http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ch-issues.html#s-issues-database
[11:46] <ogra> http://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/dbapp-policy.html/ch-dbapps.html should tell you everything ...
[11:46] <marcin_ant> ogra, and of course "For packages providing automated assistance, database installation/configuration should be considered as part of the package installation process."
[11:46] <marcin_ant> ogra, should...
[11:46] <marcin_ant> ogra, but it's not about our issue
[11:47] <marcin_ant> ogra, my package _can install database_ already because I use dbcommon-config
[11:47] <marcin_ant> ogra, but thats not the problem - problem is with _database server_ installation
[11:47] <marcin_ant> ogra, not database itself
[11:47] <marcin_ant> ogra, database = set of tables and records
[11:49] <marcin_ant> ogra, and more - I can also have mysql-server up and running on localhost
[11:50] <ogra> yup
[11:50] <marcin_ant> ogra, but if I won't set root password - cacti, mydms and currently vtiger-crm won't create database
[11:51] <ogra> "It must always be assumed that the local admin knows more than any automated system. "
[11:51] <ogra> thats the most important snetence imho ...
[11:51] <marcin_ant> ogra, yes but also "A failure to install a database should be considered a failure to install the package and should result in an error value returned by the relevant maintainer script."
[11:52] <ogra> which doesnt mean your package install must fail ...
[11:52] <marcin_ant> ogra, sure but let's think as 'user' now - not as sysadmin
[11:52] <ogra> (as you can sse with cacti)
[11:52] <ogra> *see
[11:53] <marcin_ant> ogra, I'm manager in some company and want to try vtiger-crm, I'm pretty smart so I run: apt-get install vtiger-crm
[11:53] <marcin_ant> ogra, then it asks me for admin password on mysql server
[11:54] <ogra> if youre really a manager, you dont know about apt :P
[11:54] <marcin_ant> ogra, I got no idea... but as I said - I'm pretty smart one
[11:54] <ajmitch_> assuming that the mysql server is on the same box as you're running vtiger on
[11:54] <ogra> you have people working for you to advise to install it
[11:54] <marcin_ant> ogra, so I go to synaptic and install mysql-server
[11:54] <marcin_ant> ogra, then I try to install vtiger-crm again... unfortunately still no luck
[11:55] <ogra> vtiger-crm should ask you if the DB server runs locally ...
[11:55] <ogra> if not it should fall back to ask for the ip
[11:55] <marcin_ant> ogra, and then I give up or call to some IT support
[11:55] <ogra> yup
[11:56] <ogra> but its a DB tool ... nothing smart managers should install ...
[11:56] <sistpoty> hm... at least foo shouldn't change essential stuff of bar... that would be an issue of bar
[11:56] <ogra> its pretty hard to get that right ...
[11:56] <marcin_ant> it's pretty hard because debian and ubuntu lacks conditional dependencies :(
[11:59] <marcin_ant> ogra, I need decision.....
[11:59] <ogra> conditional dependencys wont solve it ...
[12:00] <ogra> you'll always have the problem that you either have the server locally or will attach your frontend to a cluster or remote server ...
[12:00] <ogra> forcing your tool to resort to local installs will take the ability to install it as a cluster frontend ...
[12:01] <marcin_ant> ogra, they could... for example: apt-get install vtiger-crm ->debconf question: mysql or postgres -> choice 'mysql'->question local or remote -> choice 'local' then apt should install mysql-server automagically
[12:01] <ogra> you wont get around debconf questions here
[12:01] <ogra> thats policy violation ...
[12:01] <Toadstool> gn8 everybody
[12:01] <Kyral> Hmmm I know what I have to do tonight