[12:44] <farhood> I need help
[12:45] <farhood> hello 
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:22] <Lord_Athur> hi
[02:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: ping
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:01] <PWEB> hi
[04:02] <PWEB> is there a way to put edubuntu over ubuntu?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:04] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[04:04] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-server
[04:04] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-artwork
[04:04] <jsgotangco> well there are a couple of packages but edubuntu-desktop would do for desktop use :)
[04:05] <PWEB> where do i apt-get from (the edubuntu cd?)
[04:05] <jsgotangco> no from the network
[04:05] <jsgotangco> they're all in main
[04:06] <PWEB> how? (1st day on linux....);)
[04:06] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:06] <jsgotangco> open up synaptic
[04:06] <PWEB> ok
[04:06] <PWEB> opened
[04:06] <jsgotangco> search for "edubuntu"
[04:07] <jsgotangco> it should give you results
[04:07] <jsgotangco> then just select edubuntu-desktop
[04:07] <jsgotangco> the click apply
[04:09] <PWEB> u rock! -- some reason that didnt work putting kubuntu over ubuntu
[04:09] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:09] <jsgotangco> kubuntu-desktop
[04:09] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:09] <PWEB> yep it wasnt there
[04:10] <jsgotangco> oh?
[04:10] <jsgotangco> KGG Marvin Pascual? Sounds good to me!
[04:10] <jsgotangco> err
[04:10] <jsgotangco> sorry
[04:10] <PWEB> i insted it from the iso - extracted the iso to a folder -- cd'ed to it and inst'ed from there
[04:10] <jsgotangco> ahh
[04:10] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:11] <jsgotangco> you can get it from the network though
[04:11] <jsgotangco> not sure how to update from another cd
[04:12] <PWEB> now i will select edubuntu when i login to ubuntu right?
[04:12] <jsgotangco> nahhh
[04:13] <jsgotangco> edubuntu-desktop installs the edubuntu package but still uses ubuntu core components
[04:13] <PWEB> b/c thats what i do w/ kubuntu
[04:13] <PWEB> login and select it
[04:13] <PWEB> well, select it and login
[04:13] <jsgotangco> edubuntu is stll gnome
[04:13] <jsgotangco> with just different artwork
[04:14] <PWEB> oh -- will it overide my ubuntu?
[04:14] <jsgotangco> edubuntu is still ubuntu
[04:14] <jsgotangco> both use gnome
[04:15] <jsgotangco> when you log into gnome again, you'll see some added applications
[04:15] <jsgotangco> like the kdedu apps
[04:15] <PWEB> but this will have the education KDE too;ls
[04:15] <PWEB> right
[04:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:15] <jsgotangco> gcompris, tuxmath, etc.
[04:15] <PWEB> will i login to ubuntu or gnome
[04:15] <jsgotangco> its the same
[04:15] <jsgotangco> there's no ubuntu login
[04:15] <jsgotangco> its either gnome or another DE installed
[04:16] <PWEB> oh right
[04:16] <PWEB> it says Last -- not ubuntu
[04:16] <PWEB> got confused
[04:16] <PWEB> ever use linspire?
[04:16] <jsgotangco> well not lately
[04:17] <PWEB> oh
[04:17] <jsgotangco> i hear its pretty good
[04:17] <PWEB> can you play half life on linux?
[04:18] <jsgotangco> haven't tried
[04:18] <jsgotangco> you can try #ubuntu 
[04:18] <PWEB> lol doubt it
[04:18] <jsgotangco> you can ask at #ubuntu though
[04:19] <PWEB> ok
[04:19] <jsgotangco> you'll probably get better replies there because that is more of a user channel comapred here
[04:20] <PWEB> lol IRC is a funny thing!
[04:21] <PWEB> linux is so fast compared to the clunky windows im used to
[04:25] <PWEB> thanks again
[06:41] <mhz_ZZzz> JaneW: hi there
[06:41] <mhz_ZZzz> JaneW: do we have meeting in 6.5 hours?
[06:43] <jsgotangco> should be
[06:43] <mhz> okis, jsgotangco again. :D
[07:24] <JaneW> hi mhz
[07:24] <JaneW> yes meeting day today
[09:58] <Bart11> hello ppl...
[09:59] <Bart11> i just installed edubuntu... i did not promt me for the root pass. what is the deafult root pass?
[10:02] <highvoltage> Bart11: there's not a root password
[10:03] <highvoltage> Bart11: the first user you created is sudo-root
[10:03] <highvoltage> so you can type "sudo command" to excecute something as root
[10:03] <highvoltage> if you want a root shell, type "sudo -s"
[10:03] <highvoltage> it will then prompt you for your password
[10:03] <Bart11> ok...
[10:04] <Bart11> ill try that now
[10:06] <Bart11> thanx... how can i change the root pass? sorry i'm a noob.. just installed this to get my daughter to play with gcompris
[10:08] <Kaiser_Away> don't enable root
[10:10] <highvoltage> Bart11: Kamping_kaiser is right, it's best not to enable root, edubuntu is just not designed that way :)
[10:10] <highvoltage> using sudo you can do everything you can with root
[10:10] <highvoltage> -but
[10:10] <highvoltage> to answer your question, if you really, really want a root account, you can do a "sudo passwd root", but don't do that!
[10:11] <Bart11> y?
[10:11] <highvoltage> some things break
[10:11] <Bart11> oh ok
[10:11] <highvoltage> for instance, if you boot into the rescue mode, it's supposed to drop you into a root shell
[10:11] <highvoltage> but if you set a root password, and forget it, it's a bit more difficult to get into single user mode to reset it
[10:12] <Bart11> ah ok... thanx
[10:12] <highvoltage> that's one problem we've had with a school before
[10:12] <highvoltage> but generally it's always good to use a system as it is intended to be used :)
[10:13] <Bart11> i have another problem... i ahve a 15 inch aoc monitor and i can't get a resolution higher than 800x600 how can i fix this?
[10:16] <Bart11> i'd like to atleast have a resolution of 1024x768
[10:20] <Kamping_kaiser> Bart11: you have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:20] <Kamping_kaiser> that should be able to fix it
[10:22] <Bart11> ill have to run that in sudo root in a terminal right?
[10:23] <Kamping_kaiser> yeh
[10:23] <Kamping_kaiser> you have to run sudo in a terminal
[10:23] <Bart11> ok.. i'll do that now.
[10:25] <ogra> Bart11, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/RootSudo
[10:25] <ogra> :)
[10:35] <ogra> there is no problem in enabling root on edubuntu, just keep in mind that all gui tools that ask for the password still use sudo... it can get very confusing to enable root through this, but does no harm to the system ...
[10:48] <TOZII> Is there any certain amount of hard disk space that we should have per account with edubuntu?
[10:48] <signifer123> no...not really...
[10:50] <signifer123> but you can limit the size of a users file qith the quota tool
[10:50] <signifer123> with*
[10:51] <TOZII> We're gonna have 1 server, 10 nodes, 50 accounts, and a RAID array of 8 18 Gb drives....
[10:52] <TOZII> Do we have enough space?
[10:52] <signifer123> for storing student files?
[10:52] <TOZII> Yes.
[10:52] <signifer123> just documents and other simple things or larger things like raw graphics
[10:52] <signifer123> ?
[10:53] <signifer123> actually nvm
[10:53] <signifer123> thats plenty of space
[10:53] <TOZII> Some image editing, documents, Newsletter files, homework, etc....
[10:53] <signifer123> thats nearly 3 gigs per student
[10:54] <signifer123> its fine
[10:54] <TOZII> I'm a noob, I thoght RAIDS were redundant.
[10:54] <signifer123> what kind of RAID you have?
[10:54] <TOZII> I dunno.
[10:55] <TOZII> I know that it's external.
[10:56] <signifer123> i don't now much about raids..either...
[10:56] <signifer123> so you really have 1.5 gigs per student since the other 1.5 is backup
[10:57] <TOZII> I'm studying up now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[10:57] <signifer123> :)
[11:03] <signifer123> so having a raid doesn't tell you much, since theres like 12 types :-P
[11:06] <Bart11> kamping_kaiser: does edubunto have a gui for setting up the xserver like mandrake and suse?
[11:06] <ogra> nope
[11:06] <signifer123> not a very pretty one
[11:06] <Kamping_kaiser> Bart11: not in the way you think
[11:06] <Kamping_kaiser> dpkg is the gui :)
[11:06] <ogra> its done fully automatic ... normally you dont need to touch the X config at all
[11:06] <signifer123> yeah ^^
[11:07] <ogra> raed this as in 99.5% you wont touch it ...
[11:08] <Bart11> i has my screen size limited to 800x600 and i want it to be 1024x768, is there an easy way to do taht?
[11:08] <Bart11> taht
[11:08] <Bart11> that
[11:08] <ogra> on a thin client ? 
[11:08] <ogra> or do you use the workstation version ...
[11:09] <Bart11> i installed the workstation, its just for my kid
[11:09] <ogra> then run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 
[11:09] <ogra> the values in there are the detected ones, so just hit enter until you come to the mode selection
[11:09] <signifer123> hit enter till the end where you select the dispaly mode :)
[11:09] <signifer123> aww...
[11:09] <signifer123> beat me
[11:10] <Bart11> i did and now my xserver wont work. i just formatted my hd and reinstalling now
[11:10] <signifer123> ohh....kinda weird...
[11:11] <signifer123> ogra: does adding them to xorg.conf actually work?
[11:11] <Bart11> yeah, i tried mandrake 9 on that pc and i had no problem with the settings anfter install.
[11:12] <ogra> signifer123, yes, but you have to do some tweaks if you want to be able to use dpkg then ...
[11:12] <signifer123> ok.
[11:13] <jsgotangco> see you guys later in the meeting
[11:13] <jsgotangco> ciao
[11:13] <signifer123> cya
[11:14] <TOZII> The meeting will be in this channel?
[11:14] <ogra> nope
[11:14] <ogra> in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:14] <Bart11> does ubuntu have some problems with built-in video cards by via?
[11:15] <signifer123> i think it jsut underestimates alot of cards...it topped mine off at 1024x768
[11:18] <signifer123> i tihnk it sticks all built ins at 640x480 though
[11:19] <Bart11> ubunto uses xorg, not xfree86?
[11:19] <signifer123> yeah...
[11:20] <Kamping_kaiser> built ins you probably have to put aside system memory, so it gets a low res (well, there's my theory to start with)
[11:21] <Bart11> yeah it shares 8 mb from system mem. have 256mb installed, had no problems with it, using mandrake 9 and 10.1 using xfree86, maybe its an xorg thing?
[11:22] <TOZII> MEETING: 08 Feb at 12:00 UTC
[11:23] <TOZII> What is UTC
[11:23] <TOZII> ?
[11:23] <juliux> TOZII, date -u
[11:25] <juliux> TOZII, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc
[11:26] <TOZII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time
[11:26] <TOZII> lol!
[11:26] <TOZII> thanx.
[11:26] <juliux> np
[11:26] <Kamping_kaiser> Bart11: maybe. it's probably not setting aside enough memory
[11:27] <Bart11> ok
[11:28] <Bart11> how do you set up grub so that it sets my other os to be the default? it is the pc on my mums table... hehhe
[11:28] <Bart11> can i set it up so it automatically login?
[11:28] <signifer123> mingetty
[11:28] <signifer123> yeah
[11:29] <TOZII> 08 Feb at 12:00 UTC is 1.5 hours from now?
[11:29] <juliux> TOZII, yes
[11:30] <Bart11> how do you set up grub so that it sets my other os to be the default? it is the pc on my mums table... hehhe
[11:30] <Bart11> how can i set it up so it automatically logs-in?
[11:31] <signifer123> System>Admin>Login Screen
[11:31] <signifer123> then chekc automatic login on the first page
[11:32] <signifer123> and choose the user
[11:32] <signifer123> check*
[11:32] <signifer123> and for the other os as defualt
[11:32] <signifer123> /boot/grub/menu.lst 
[11:32] <signifer123> back that up
[11:32] <signifer123> thne in there there will be something like
[11:33] <signifer123> color white/blue black/light-gray
[11:33] <signifer123> default 1
[11:33] <signifer123> timeout 10
[11:33] <signifer123> change the default
[11:33] <signifer123> to the list number of the OS you want it to boot to
[11:34] <Bart11> ok thanx
[11:34] <signifer123> TOZ you cna set the resultion in xorg.conf
[11:34] <signifer123> it jsut won't work if it over guesses your monitor
[11:35] <TOZII> lol! My rez is set just right.
[11:35] <Bart11> where you from signifer123?
[11:35] <Bart11> where can i find xorg.conf?
[11:36] <juliux> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:36] <ogra> /etc/X11
[11:39] <Bart11> k
[11:48] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 75 minutes
[11:52] <signifer123> USA
[11:53] <signifer123> and i cannot goto meeting g2g before then :(
[11:53] <signifer123> where are the logs upped to?
[11:54] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[11:56] <signifer123> thanks'
[12:33] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 30 minutes
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[12:36] <Bart11> who can jin the meeting??
[12:36] <Bart11> join..
[12:36] <ogra> everybody, its open 
[12:36] <spacey> Bart11: its about the progress of development/documentation/stuff like that of the next release
[12:37] <spacey> i have to go to school first, i'll try to be back on time. bbl
[12:37] <Bart11> ok.. thanx
[12:44] <Bart11> hey thanx for all the help, got everything configured ok
[12:49] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 10 minutes
[01:00] <mhz> Yagisan: hey!!
[01:01] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[01:01] <mhz> Yagisan: hey!! hoo!!  hey!!  hoo!! (sound a bit hip hop)
[01:02] <Yagisan> mhz: this is a hip hop free zone
[01:02] <juliux> realy?
[01:03] <Yagisan> no, but even I a native speaker can't understand what they say
[01:03] <mhz> Yagisan: lol
[01:03] <mhz> Yagisan: i personally dislike: reggeton and hip hop
[01:03] <mhz> (very much!)
[01:04] <mhz> but... just put your hands in the air and say "hey   hoo   hey hoo.." :D
[01:05] <Yagisan> heh. so why the good mood ? score a nice fat contract ?
[01:05] <mhz> Yagisan: boooh, now I lost the mood...nope, no contract. Just good to see ya
[01:06] <Yagisan> mhz: It's good to see you too
[01:06] <Yagisan> mhz: finally starting to get my website translated
[01:06] <mhz> cool!
[01:07] <Yagisan> mhz: yep :) do you have CJK fonts installed ?
[01:07] <mhz> no idea
[01:07] <mhz> nope
[01:07] <mhz> i dont
[01:08] <Yagisan> mhz: k. http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/our-services/small-business-system-health-check?set_language=en (english, click the japanese flag to change)
[01:08] <Yagisan> mhz: all I need now is spanish ;)
[01:08] <mhz> lol
[01:09] <mhz> i knew this was not gonna be easy :D
[01:09] <Yagisan> mhz: yeah, my wife had some trouble with it
[01:10] <Yagisan> mhz: like, every I.T related term. It's rather hard to explain that to a non-I.T person, then get it correctly translated
[01:10] <Yagisan> mhz: she deserves a medal or something
[01:10] <mhz> sure! do give it to her
[01:12] <Yagisan> so mhz, can I interest you in a service ;)
[01:14] <mhz> Yagisan: sure, Yagisan I can do ant work (a couple of paragrapsh every other day basis)
[01:16] <Yagisan> mhz: that was a nice little system I build out of an ubuntu box. BTW does the website seem slow to you ?
[01:16] <Yagisan> mhz: a book ?
[01:16] <Yagisan> mhz: I like books. they still work in power outages :)
[01:20] <Yagisan> mhz: TheOpenCd - that's the one with OSS apps for Windows right ?\
[01:21] <mhz> yuyp
[01:23] <Yagisan> mhz: cool. I'm remastering Windows cd's now. putting on services packs, hotfixes, new drivers, and a selection of OSS apps
[01:23] <Yagisan> mhz: If I knew how, I'd also add ubuntu to it and put it on dvd
[01:24] <mhz> ohhh
[01:24] <mhz> why?
[01:24] <Yagisan> mhz: need it for the customers. I find it funny that I know more about re,atering windows cd's then ubuntu ones
[01:25] <Yagisan> mhz: besides, I can fit all Win2K,XP,3K on 1 cd
[01:25] <mhz> lol
[01:26] <Yagisan> mhz: I kid you not !!! they are almost identical. all you need to do is hard link the files that are identical
[01:26] <mhz> oooohhhh
[01:28] <Yagisan> mhz: And yet they charge $300AU for an update ?? almost nothing changes, it's unbelievable. still, I can start the migration to linux based systems by putting the OSS apps there on install
[01:28] <Yagisan> mhz: and when I figure out how to add ubuntu, I can literally show them there is almost no difference
[01:52] <Yagisan> just boot one system up as the server, then boot the clients from the net
[01:52] <ogra> Yagisan, try the performance on a liveCD
[01:53] <ogra> (you can install it after boot)
[01:54] <Yagisan> I just want something to demo to customers on their systems. <at least until the gods are happy and I can have a laptop>
[01:56] <Yagisan> I've been trying to push Windows -> Ubuntu migrations lately, but I find a lot of inertia. A systemwide wine install might help get some more converts - so they can still run their expensive not-yet-replaceable-by-ubuntu app
[02:01] <mhz> Yagisan: how much could you afford for a laptop?
[02:03] <Yagisan> mhz: right now, nothing. My recent illness and my wifes injury made income 0 for two weeks, and my daughters birthday is on the 20th
[02:04] <mhz> ooooohhh!
[02:04] <mhz> gee!
[02:18] <highvoltage> cake?
[02:19] <highvoltage> did I mention it's my birthday today and I haven't had cake yet!?
[02:19] <mhz> highvoltage: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!! 
[02:20] <mhz> \o\  \o/  /o/  !!!!
[02:20] <mhz> highvoltage: (those were cheers and hugs)
[02:20] <highvoltage> mhz: thanks!
[02:20] <Yagisan> highvoltage: happy birthday. How old are you now ?
[02:21] <ogra> highvoltage, hey so you are 8 days ahead of me :)
[02:21] <ogra> HAPPY BIRTHDAY
[02:21] <highvoltage> Yagisan: i tell people that i'm 29, but i'm 24 :)
[02:21] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks, yay, another aquarius!
[02:21] <Yagisan> mhz: good, I though it was you drunk at the party :)
[02:21] <mhz> lol
[02:21] <ogra> :)
[02:21] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, old guy
[02:21] <jsgotangco> happy birthday dude
[02:21] <highvoltage> okay, /me seriously need to go now, wish i could chat, l8r!
[02:21] <highvoltage> thans jerome!
[02:22] <Yagisan> highvoltage: people think I'm 29-30 because I've got a wife and two kids :(
[02:22] <mhz> Yagisan: nope, maybe you saw ogra around walking over a ball
[02:22] <highvoltage> Yagisan: ah
[02:22] <highvoltage> bye!
[02:22] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I'm only 24
[02:22] <highvoltage> :)
[02:22] <mhz> Yagisan: try to walk on a ball and you'll get the feeling of what I am talking baout
[02:22] <mhz> about
[02:25] <JaneW> heh
[02:25] <jsgotangco> i still want to see a doc in progress :/
[02:25] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol!!!
[02:26] <beastie_> hi all... 
[02:26] <jsgotangco> beastie_, yo
[02:27] <jsgotangco> mhz, i'm really screaming for translations now...
[02:27] <beastie_> does edubuntu login authentication via ldap server ?
[02:27] <jsgotangco> anything outside the current toolchain can be hard for translations
[02:29] <beastie_> does it support pam_ldap ?
[02:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: sorry, could you rephrase?
[02:36] <mhz> beastie_: no idea... but...ig gnulinux supports it... then yes, whyt not?
[02:37] <mhz> OR, you mean LTSP?
[02:37] <beastie_> not ltsp..just authenticate via ldap service
[02:46] <mhz> jsgotangco: sorry, could you rephrase?
[02:47] <zakame> I believe beastie_ means if edubuntu can be configured as an LDAP directory server
[02:48] <jsgotangco> mhz, doing things in docbook makes it easier for us to create translation templates based the gnome toolchain
[02:48] <ogra> sure, slapd is in universe pam_ldap should be supported 
[02:48] <ogra> but you need to configure it manually
[02:49] <mhz> zakame: oh, then my answer was 'correct' considering the typos ;)
[02:49] <ogra> we dont focus beyond a single classroom server yet ... so there is no need for ldap
[02:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, i guess you are right
[02:50] <ogra> it will be available with a default setup once we grow to school size
[02:50] <zakame> mhz: well that could be a bug :)
[02:50] <jsgotangco> ogra, would an am64 build work fine for now?
[02:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: and one of my 1st to do's once I have collected the info I need for edubuntu book is to learn docbook (though I had high hopes of using Moin platform :(  )
[02:50] <ogra> jsgotangco, no idea i didnt test CDs since 2 weeks ...
[02:51] <mhz> zakame: ;p
[02:51] <jsgotangco> cheers =)
[02:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, but if you download the iso now, you can very quick rsync it later ;)
[02:51] <jsgotangco> ok
[02:51] <beastie_> thanks mhz... i will try edubuntu.. talk to you later..
[02:51] <ogra> (for me it takes <20min for a daily)
[02:51] <mhz> beastie_: hehe, i used ldap once.... long ago
[02:52] <jsgotangco> mine takes longer but tolerable < 40min
[02:52] <mhz> I hardly remember the set up
[02:56] <jsgotangco> mhz, do you know this? http://www.lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/
[02:58] <jsgotangco> im going to rest my eyes first and just come back in 2 hours
[02:58] <jsgotangco> brb
[02:59] <mhz> nap well
[03:00] <mhz> jsgotangco: nice tip, I'll read about it. I used to know gtablix
[03:29] <mhz> neurogeek: hi there!
[03:30] <mhz> neurogeek: any ideas how I can contact your 'boss' in IRC ?
[03:30] <JaneW> .
[03:35] <neurogeek> mhz, EHLO.. how are you doing?
[03:36] <neurogeek> not much chance to do that
[03:36] <neurogeek> mhz, strusberg AT latinux DOT org
[03:36] <mhz> neurogeek: ooooh :(
[03:36] <mhz> okis
[03:36] <mhz> neurogeek: any news on python favor?
[03:37] <neurogeek> mhz, not much going on right now. We should be going to PyCon in two weeks :D
[03:38] <neurogeek> but i've been soo overwhelmed by work this last couple of weeks, i've got little time to do anything else
[03:38] <neurogeek> :S
[03:39] <ogra> JaneW, stop talking in such long sentences :P
[03:40] <JaneW> ogra: heh
[03:41] <spacey> ogra: 
[03:41] <spacey> you
[03:41] <spacey> prefer 
[03:41] <spacey> to read
[03:41] <spacey> vertical?:P
[03:41] <ogra> some
[03:41] <ogra> times
[03:41] <ogra> i
[03:41] <ogra> do
[03:41] <ogra> ,
[03:41] <ogra> yes
[03:41] <spacey> :p
[03:42] <mhz> lol
[03:42] <Yagisan> I
[03:42] <Yagisan> p
[03:42] <Yagisan> r
[03:42] <Yagisan> e
[03:42] <Yagisan> f
[03:42] <Yagisan> e
[03:42] <Yagisan> r
[03:42] <mhz> .oO(things you can do when you have lots of free time :D )
[03:42] <JaneW> ro
[03:42] <JaneW> sdrawkcab
[03:42] <mhz> read only ?
[03:43] <Yagisan> to be more space conscious myself
[03:43] <Yagisan> I could see so many more rooms if it was all vertical text
[03:43] <ogra> mhz, probably an anagram
[03:43] <Yagisan> or backwards
[03:44] <mhz> lol
[03:44] <Yagisan> pfft - that's how I read all government forms
[03:44] <Yagisan> and they think I can't see what they are reading
[04:10] <Yagisan> night all
[04:14] <mhz> brb
[04:44] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[05:56] <flint> ogra, ollie, you twitching out there as the sun sets?
[06:00] <ogra> ??
[06:20] <thefamousnomo> hello people, is anyone there today?
[06:21] <thefamousnomo> awwwwww, come on!
[06:21] <thefamousnomo> anyone.......?
[06:22] <ogra> thefamousnomo, *
[06:24] <thefamousnomo> orga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[06:24] <thefamousnomo> i nearly gave up!
[06:24] <ogra> so whats your prob ? 
[06:25] <thefamousnomo> not getting any sound in some of the gcompris activities!
[06:25] <thefamousnomo> is this an issue?
[06:25] <ogra> thats breezy or dapper ? 
[06:25] <thefamousnomo> breezy my friend
[06:26] <ogra> and do you have the appropriate gcompris sounds installed for your language ? 
[06:26] <thefamousnomo> desktop sounds fine, tuxpaint fine, just the point & click activities!
[06:26] <thefamousnomo> not sure, how to do?
[06:27] <thefamousnomo> i am able to switch on sound and music, from tick to cross...
[06:27] <thefamousnomo> and back...
[06:27] <ogra> open synaptic and look if the gcompris-sound-** package for your language is installed
[06:28] <ogra> if not, install it and it should work fine
[06:28] <thefamousnomo> machine for my son is not on network, any way to do this without shifting machine?
[06:28] <ogra> first just take a look if its installed ...
[06:29] <ogra> (requires no network)
[06:29] <thefamousnomo> sorry man, will do, brb. thanks ogra!
[06:38] <thefamousnomo> yeah got that man, gcompris-sound-en is installed ogra
[06:39] <ogra> hmm, then it should work ....
[06:39] <thefamousnomo> specifically the sounds on 'click on the orange toon' activity, hes only 3!
[06:40] <thefamousnomo> hoping to start early... need sound to keep his attention!
[06:40] <ogra> yes, i understand ...
[06:40] <thefamousnomo> as i say, tuxpaint is fine and machine in general: fine.
[06:40] <ogra> can you run gcompros from a terminal and look if any errors show up ?
[06:41] <thefamousnomo> bear with me...
[06:43] <thefamousnomo> a few warnings man, its in the other room...
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> says no audio device
[06:44] <ogra> hmm
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> gnome.canvas is deprecated
[06:44] <ogra> thats only a warning 
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> ai is not running at full speed
[06:44] <ogra> did you change anything with the sound settings ? 
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> gcomris.comf set to enGB-utf8
[06:44] <thefamousnomo> no man, just tried to start it up!
[06:45] <thefamousnomo> all other sound is fine...
[06:45] <ogra> i mean in the system ...
[06:45] <ogra> not gcompris
[06:45] <thefamousnomo> no, installed and here i am
[06:45] <thefamousnomo> all default installation settings
[06:46] <ogra> try runnning: esdctrl off 
[06:46] <ogra> before starting gcompris
[06:47] <thefamousnomo> ok, b back
[06:47] <ogra> (do both from a termonal)
[06:47] <ogra> *terminal
[06:49] <thefamousnomo> no command esdctrl
[06:49] <thefamousnomo> sudo esd makes a noise tho!
[06:50] <ogra> hmm 
[06:50] <ogra> dont run esd with sudo ...
[06:50] <thefamousnomo> tried, just makes a noise
[06:50] <ogra> but that it makes a noise is strange 
[06:50] <thefamousnomo> its like a rapid scale, low to high!
[06:50] <ogra> it should tell you that the device is already used 
[06:51] <thefamousnomo> brb
[06:51] <ogra> are you sure your sond is working ?
[06:52] <thefamousnomo> sorry, esd (no sudo) tells me its working...
[06:52] <ogra> ok
[06:52] <thefamousnomo> already used as you say...
[06:52] <ogra> try: killall esd 
[06:52] <ogra> then try running gcompris
[06:52] <thefamousnomo> brb
[06:53] <mhz> ogra: i got a question ..
[06:53] <mhz> ogra: my sound got suddenly broken
[06:53] <mhz> how can i reconfig it?
[06:54] <ogra> mhz, no sound at all ? 
[06:54] <thefamousnomo> ogra, we have sound, stay up and have a drink!!!!
[06:55] <thefamousnomo> can you explain what is going on in there?
[06:55] <ogra> thefamousnomo, but you dont have sound in the rest of the desktop now
[06:55] <thefamousnomo> sh*t!
[06:55] <ogra> gcompris is not using esd for sound output for whatever reason 
[06:55] <thefamousnomo> how to fix?
[06:55] <mhz> ogra: xmms lets me hear just a second of a song and continues playing but with no sounds
[06:55] <mhz> (all of sudden)
[06:56] <ogra> mhz, the last time i used xmms is about 7 years ago ...
[06:56] <thefamousnomo> ogra, ill catch you another night my friend, one step as they say...
[06:56] <thefamousnomo> thanx for probs solved thus far!
[06:56] <mhz> ogra: well, that happens also with video and firefox 
[06:56] <ogra> thefamousnomo, we can write a little wrapper that stops esd if you start gcompris and starts it again afterwards
[06:57] <ogra> mhz, did you fiddle with your sound settings somehow ? 
[06:57] <thefamousnomo> sounds good, only done any scripting in whs(!) and php (favourite language)!
[06:58] <thefamousnomo> for another night, thanx again!
[06:58] <mhz> ogra: last thing I did was: rm -rf ~/.config ~/.xsession
[06:58] <mhz> ogra: they should not affect sound at all
[06:58] <mhz> ogra: and I rm -rf /tmp
[06:58] <mhz> but then I mkdir /tmp back
[06:59] <mhz> and chmod it correctly
[06:59] <ogra> heh
[06:59] <ogra> but you ripped off esd's pants with that ;)
[06:59] <mhz> ooooh
[07:00] <ogra> esd creates a socket in /tmp 
[07:00] <mhz> good to know that
[07:00] <ogra> so if it ran while you did that, it wont find the socket anymore
[07:00] <mhz> eeek
[07:00] <mhz> and how do i get it back?
[07:01] <mhz> hehe, when I run 'esd' command I get bips like a modem
[07:01] <mhz> :D
[07:01] <mhz> for 3 secs
[07:01] <ogra> just logging out and in again should solve it 
[07:02] <ogra> so esd stops and starts again
[07:02] <mhz> ogra: I have done that 3 times
[07:03] <ogra> no idea then ...
[07:03] <mhz> okis
[07:03] <mhz> thx anyways
[07:03] <ogra> sorry, but i feel very ill currently ... 
[07:04] <mhz> ogra: man, no worries. I do understand and I was the 'xtreme-stupid'
[07:04] <mhz> :)
[07:04] <mhz> just get well soon
[07:04] <ogra> i will, no worries 
[07:04] <ogra> somehow cracked my back ...
[07:05] <mhz> ask your girlfriend to make some tea and massages
[07:05] <ogra> can hardly breathe 
[07:05] <mhz> ogra: ooooh
[07:05] <ogra> yup
[07:05] <mhz> gee, log out and get a doctor then!
[07:05] <ogra> i'm used to my broken back ... but normally its far lower down ...
[07:06] <mhz> oooh, these geeks all have back issues
[07:06] <ogra> today its a bit higher and hurts if the ribs move  ...
[07:06] <mhz> so I wont make you laugh either?
[07:06] <ogra> will be fine tomorrow again ... 
[07:06] <ogra> better to avoid that :)
[07:07] <mhz> ogra: then please log out and get some rest
[07:07] <mhz> OR maybe it's time you give a11y app. a good try :D
[07:07] <ogra> jinty, !
[07:08] <mhz> if we all se ogra here we'll interact with you but you should get serious rest
[07:08] <ogra> jinty, is there any ETA for schooltool and zope3 to be fixed ? 
[07:08] <jinty> hoy ogra!
[07:08] <ogra> currently it breaks the edubuntu CDs and i dont like to take it out of the CDs ...
[07:08] <jinty> yeah, sometime between the 16th and 23rd February
[07:09] <ogra> phew 
[07:09] <ogra> thats late ... (but still in time for feature freeze though)
[07:09] <jinty> zope3 is "maybe-fixed" in unstable today...
[07:09] <ogra> then i'll take it out for now ... else the CDs are not installable ...
[07:10] <jinty> schooltool will just be a buxfix release of the old version that works with zope3.2
[07:10] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html
[07:10] <ogra> its the main issue ... 
[07:11] <ogra> but i'll survive with taking it out temporary
[07:12] <jinty> i see, i'll ping you when it's fixed in unstable if you like
[07:14] <ogra> yes !! 
[07:14] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[07:23] <mhz> ogra: I tried 2 things before I logeed out for 4th time: $ esd -d /dev/dsp  AND  /etc/init.d/alsa reload
[07:24] <mhz> it works now
[07:24] <mhz> :D
[10:11] <signifer123> good afternoon
[10:20] <signifer123> grr...meeting logs isn't up :-p
[10:28] <signifer123> hello again ,mhz
[10:29] <mhz> hey man
[10:33] <signifer123> jeeez knoppix has alot of files...
[10:34] <signifer123> deos edubunt uhas a live?