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[05:43] mjg59: for that brightness thing [05:43] that you blogged about [05:44] ive got a fujitsu i wouldn't mind being able to do it on :) === makaveli [n=nnn@c-69-139-7-167.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lool [n=lool@debian/developer/lool] has joined #ubuntu-devel === makaveli [n=nnn@c-69-139-7-167.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:18] BenC; ping? === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-152-30.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zoe [n=zoe@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-37-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-1-189.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.213.71.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] hi [08:15] heya lucas === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-208-49-85-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-176-233.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@84.76.255.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] Good morning [08:53] pitti: hi [08:54] pitti: I've mail you what you need about scim [08:54] freeflying: yay, thanks [08:58] freeflying: just read it, awesome [08:58] pitti: :( [08:59] freeflying: why :( ? [08:59] freeflying: I'll do the new language-support packages today then [08:59] s/(/) [09:00] pitti: the fonts about chinese should be solved [09:01] freeflying: hm, we recently changed to ttf-arphic-ukai/uming, that's not enough? [09:02] pitti: cool ,thx === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.173.252] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@pool-71-243-90-29.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] BenC: ping === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A6676C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] good morning! === ctd [n=ctd@moan.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] pitti: the seeds of dapper still use ttf-arphic-bkai00mp ,etc now [09:10] freeflying: hm, indeed [09:11] freeflying: sorry, I thought this had already changed [09:11] freeflying: ok, so I throw out the 4 old ones (bkai00mp, bsmi00lp and so on) and replace them with ukai and uming? [09:13] pitti: nice [09:13] freeflying: that will additionally need about 11 MB of CD space [09:14] freeflying: what would be the advantage of ukai/uming over the current fonts? === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] freeflying: (NB that we still need to *remove* 25 MB from the CDs to get them in the right size again) [09:14] morning [09:14] hi siretart [09:14] huhu pitti [09:14] pitti: ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp can be removed also [09:15] who is actually keeping track and processing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates ? [09:15] pitti: uming/ukai can display chinese well then those used be [09:17] siretart: we'll have to - a list of stuff we already told James, which was removed and still is to be removed. [09:17] pitti: after remove those four fonts , no extra space need for uming/ukai at all [09:17] freeflying: yes, I took them into accout already; current set of fonts is 16.5 MB, ukai+uming about 24 [09:18] ok, so it's only 8 MB more, but still [09:18] dholbach: I see [09:18] pitti: as for scim , more space need ? [09:19] siretart: We can expect him to track a wiki page. [09:19] dholbach: in which timeframe? [09:19] freeflying: yes, but scim is smaller; still, we cannot actually afford more stuff on CD [09:19] siretart: timeframe? [09:19] freeflying: but we can throw out more language packs [09:20] freeflying: I'll talk with Kamion once he's back from his illness [09:21] pitti: waiting for good news from you :) === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] dholbach: In which timeframe can we expect that MorgueCandidates are actually removed? [09:24] siretart: No idea, if we sent new candidates everyt two weeks - would that make sense? === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-20.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] siretart: removing source packages doesn't sound ultra-urgent to me, does it? [09:25] dholbach: it should be done. I'm quite frustrated because I had an urgent removal request 3 weeks before breezy release, which got missed === iBalo [n=user@dslc-213-023-142-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] If we start mailing now, every two weeks that should be fine for release, no? [09:26] I hope se === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.173.252] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] hi [09:33] where can i found build logs of daily iso ? === winkle [i=winkle@kleopatra.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionelp [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tretboot [n=flo@80.109.118.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-37-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] dholbach: ok, I have a rather long list of packages which are on MorgueCandidates and already removed. I will remove them from there [09:46] siretart: Thank you very much. === tretboot [n=flo@80.109.118.203] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dholbach hugs siretart [09:48] There must be something wrong with lists.ubuntu.com - all the -motu posts I checked in the archive look like this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-January/000192.html - no mail text at all. :/ [09:49] hrm === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] and where is the sexy template? [09:49] Znarl: ping === jpatrick [n=patrick@40.Red-83-44-126.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.173.252] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Parti"] === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-31-134.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] see [10:01] i join the channel and jdub starts "sexy talk..." === enrico_ is now known as enrico === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] morning all === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] hey mvo [10:17] hey sivang [10:17] hey dholbach [10:18] mornin' [10:19] oh boy, where's libortp0 from dapper === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang hugs dholbach mvo Pygi === dous [n=dous@efreet.edu.ms] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] dholbach, hey any news on the xfce ufv exceptions? [10:23] janimo: Ah, I was just looking for you on ubuntu-motu. [10:23] I am a lazy motu so did not show up recenmtly :) [10:24] janimo: could you attach changelog diffs and diffstat? [10:24] I am here mostly [10:24] dholbach, there are ~ 20 packqages [10:24] I have no diffstatts either since it's a 4.2->4.3 transition [10:24] most are very heaviuly tweaked [10:24] and the debian changelog is ostly 'upstream svn snapshot' === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] mostly [10:25] Could you discuss this with Matt and Colin on your own then? [10:25] I meant the upstream ChangeLog. [10:25] dholbach, yes I will [10:25] Thanks a lot. [10:25] hey dholbach [10:25] upstream is lazy and does not keep changelog, they rely on svm logs [10:25] GAR! [10:25] I mean they update the changlog before release usually === dholbach is out for a dogwalk === seb128 kicks network-manager [10:26] hey seb128 [10:26] dholbach, have a nice dogwalk :) [10:26] janimo: thanks === mvo waves to seb128 [10:26] seb: what's the problem with network-manager this time? :P [10:26] hey mvo === Lorenzod [n=lorenzod@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] resolv.conf with no dns configured [10:27] and dunno if that's due to nm, but: [10:27] # sudo ifup eth0 [10:27] ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory [10:27] ah, I ussualy don't bother on GUI tools 'cause I'm used to them not working' [10:27] but it should be fixed === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-37-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] pitti: you can't detect whether you're on a live cd or not. That's a feature. I wonder if just setting a blank password would solve 30118 better. [10:34] Mithrandir: hm, not even by looking at /proc/mounts or so? [10:35] pitti: I think answering the question "what is a live cd" would be a good start, really. === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [n=martin@p54B3B82F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] seb128: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers/ubuntu-bugzilla/20183 <- deleted the bugwatch and reimported this bug [10:43] jamesh: yeah, I've noticed the bunch of mail from malone, thank you :) [10:44] should I file a bug, I need libortp0 back to dapper [10:44] jamesh: got a chance to look at debian bug #340904 ? [10:45] incoming Kopete 0.12 needs it in jabber jingle voice support [10:45] Mithrandir: not yet, sorry. [10:45] jamesh: np, just didn't get any response at all earlier, so I continued prodding. I'll stop now. [10:46] Mithrandir, can the livecd kernel be passed some option if it's not started by grub? [10:46] thanks for prodding :) [10:46] janimo: it's started by syslinux/isolinux, but there's no reason why you can't boot it using grub as well. [10:46] janimo: you mean for detecting whether this is a live cd or not? [10:46] yes [10:47] well, you could look at whether /proc/cmdline contains boot=, but it's not the right fix at all [10:47] with persistent mode, I think the live cd should behave like a real system [10:47] yes I mean /proc/cmdline and having syslinux and grub pass different thins there not necessarily boot but some magic kewyword [10:47] boot=casper, I meant [10:47] aha [10:48] anyway, I'm testing another fix for the problem now === herzi [n=herzi@c184054.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdthood [n=jdthood@x107.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@84-123-7-4.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-90-239.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk- [n=jk@ppp61-158.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] pitti: have you seen all the Debian bugs about sudo environment variable breakage? Do they affect us too? [11:14] Kamion: I saw some, I'll read about them again; I talked with elmo about the katie breakages, but he said he already adapted to that [11:14] Kamion: but precisely for that reason I don't want to stuff that patch into stables [11:15] concerns me for dapper too [11:15] Kamion: since we keep variables for non-restricted users, we should be less affected, though [11:15] ok [11:18] Kamion: it's in the dapper release notes, but I think we just have to cope with a whitelist; otherwise restricted sudo does not make sense at all === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === auxesis [n=lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] What package provides the "restart required" dialog? Is it update-notifier? [11:42] Kinnison: yes === Kinnison is filing bugs from his dapper install experience on monday night [11:44] what is the bug about? [11:45] truncated restart required bubble [11:45] bug 30812 [11:45] malone bug 30812 in update-notifier ""restart required" bubble appeared truncated" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30812 [11:45] that's one for mvo :) [11:46] yeah, i noted that too === ogra goes confirming [11:46] wow, irssi pulling 83MB resident [11:46] guess i should clear some backlogs [11:47] ... or get more ram. ;P === Kinnison files bug 30813 too [11:47] malone bug 30813 in synaptic "add repo dialog misnames dapper as breezy" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30813 [11:48] http://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/2005-12-10/2gbit-freesoftware.html <- btw, that's final now, anything you guys want to give publicity to? [11:48] like sticking it on the fridge or so [11:49] hrm, cleared a lot of backlog, but irssi is still pulling lots of ram [11:49] might try its restart thingy [11:49] maswan: looking [11:52] wow, the distro team close bugs fast [11:52] mvo: thanks dude [11:52] Kinnison: thanks for reporting it :) === Kinnison has one more to report [11:52] on glibc [11:53] the upgrade prompt thing? [11:53] I think that is reported already [11:53] yeah [11:53] i did [11:54] oh, I couldn't spot it [11:55] I may have to go and dupe it === Kinnison goes to look [11:55] hmm, related but I'm not sure they're dupes === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] maswan: whoa, nice! === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-47-56.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@84.76.255.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Cripes, we're wading in `compreg.dat' reports. === sivang reads last report of distro sprint. [12:09] Diziet: whassat? [12:09] Diziet: didn't you solve / workaround that? [12:09] There's something out there that creates a file called `compreg.dat'. [12:10] But we don't know what it is. [12:10] Whatever it is, it runs as root. And we have to make it not do that somehow. [12:10] Kinnison: FFox related [12:10] 30791 and its (half a dozen, at least) dupes. [12:10] Kinnison: FFox and dependants, I think [12:10] Diziet: the bunch of mails you got about that is because I asked to jamesh to import the bugzilla bug, it was not migrated because there was a launchpad task pointing on it before the migration [12:10] Ahh. [12:11] ie: those are not new bugs we have got recently [12:11] and the import updated all the duplicates to point to that one [12:11] Hmm. I'm not sure I really want to assume^Whope that it has just vanished. But I'm really stuck for a way to diagnose it. [12:11] we didn't get any complain for it for some time [12:12] but I think there is not a lot of people who do breezy to dapper updates at the moment [12:12] When there are I'm sure it will show up again. [12:12] most people did them some time ago to track dapper or will do when dapper is stable [12:12] maswan: published :-) [12:12] probably :/ [12:12] I suppose perhaps we can get testers to do that evil thing I suggested. === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] Diziet: I'll do that next time I do a 5.10 install/dist-upgrade to dapper [12:13] but I didn't get the issue previous time I did that [12:13] hey. which package provides the installation splash screen? [12:14] seb128: Yes, same here. Very frustrating. Thanks. [12:15] jdub: thanks :) [12:18] Diziet: I found the reason for the compreg.dat I think. it seems to be created by gtkmozembed in gnome-app-install === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-152-30.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] WaterSevenUb: which splash screen? [12:21] mvo: Oh ! So do you have a recipe to reproduce it ? [12:21] kamion, dapper installation, first screen, f2 language, accessibility, etc... [12:21] WaterSevenUb: various things cooperate to create that, but mostly gfxboot-theme-ubuntu [12:21] Kamion: are you working on a graphical boot loader? (Saw a bit about it in the last sprint report) [12:21] sivang: already done [12:21] try e.g. the last Flight CD [12:22] Diziet: in a breezy chroot, rm compreg.dat (if it is there already), run sudo gnome-app-install, check if the file is there again [12:22] or the one before that for that matter ... [12:22] Oh, that simple ! === JaneW got disconnected will repost Q [12:22] hi all. Does anybody know what (if any) efforts are being made to support Ubuntu for IntelMac [12:22] I have a journo asking, and he has asked Red Hat; Suse; Mandriva etc [12:23] JaneW: Right now, none - I don't think any of us have the hardware [12:23] Diziet: if you want to do it in dapper I need to send you a small patch to make g-a-i work with pymozembed again (but it will crash, so it may spoil the fun) [12:23] JaneW: But at the moment, there's no way of supporting the graphics, so it's a bit of a moot point [12:23] mvo: That explains why the reports have stopped coming, too. [12:23] know if there are plans for it for Dapper +1 [12:24] the guy is reporting for Computerworld magazine [12:24] JaneW: I'm certainly interested in supporting the laptops as quickly as possible [12:24] JaneW: if redhat drops the appropriate code soon, it would be a non-issue [12:24] kamion, thx. I was trying to figure out why when we select other language via F2, the main menu options do not appear translated. [12:24] JaneW: But we're blocked on graphics hardware support [12:24] JaneW: (not that i would quote that) [12:24] mjg59: what's the issue with it? [12:24] JaneW: It's a [12:24] can we come up with an official stance? [12:24] n entirely new graphics chipset, and we can't drive it [12:25] WaterSevenUb: no infrastructure for translating the main menu options yet, sorry [12:25] oic [12:25] JaneW: ATI need to release the specifications [12:25] Diziet: yes, that was the clue that I needed [12:25] JaneW: And it's unlikely that the Apples have VESA BIOSes, so we can't use the vesa driver [12:25] (Of course, having the hardware would make checking this quite a bit easier) [12:25] "Red Hat says contrary to earlier reports, there's no official plans now; Suse says it's going to wait for the community to bring them a working ELILO dual-boot loader, essentially; Mandriva says it's working on something in-house and hopes to have something ready by Q2. [12:25] " [12:25] Kamion: For 2D, it'll be fairly easy to reverse engineer [12:25] in the event that they *do* have VESA BIOSes then we'll be fine, ish [12:26] additionallywe dont know about the boot procedure of these things ... i heard they have no supportable BIOS ... [12:26] ogra: they have EFI [12:26] ogra: it's EFI, which is like ia64 [12:26] ogra: "working elilo boot loader" [12:26] JaneW: But in any case, without any of the developers having any of the hardware, we're not going anywhere :) [12:26] ah, k [12:26] mjg59, another laptop for your collection ? :) [12:27] Speaking of ATi.. I still have 2 bugs open on the current driver :( [12:27] one for the LaptopTestingTeam laptop [12:27] s/the/my/ [12:27] Kinnison: glibc work won't start until later today to give Celso time to hunt a Soyuz bug. =) [12:28] Kinnison: (I don't want to destroy the evidence) [12:29] evidence? [12:29] WaterSevenUb: if you're keen to translate something, I'd love to have at least *one* translation of installer/build/boot/x86/help.pot in the debian-installer source package, so that I can make sure the translation infrastructure for that works [12:29] that will give you a translated help menu [12:30] Kinnison: bug 30621 [12:30] malone bug 30621 in malone "glibc changelog seems to list two versions and have eaten a line for the changelog" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30621 [12:30] Ah, perhaps he's finished with it now. [12:30] kamion, let me have a look. [12:30] Ubugtu: Lier. [12:30] liar, rather. [12:31] I wonder where I file bugs against Ubugtu. [12:31] Ah, well. Exercise time first. === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/ and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing-ports/ are working again now [12:33] Mithrandir: ^-- since you were asking for them [12:33] Kamion: \o/ thanks [12:34] ooh, ubuntu-desktop seems installable. Is the debootstrap problem fixed so I can roll images? [12:34] Kamion: cool, it both usable on CD boots as on HD boots? [12:34] Mithrandir: I fixed the publisher, dunno about debootstrap itself yet [12:35] doko, any news about zope3/schooltool ? [12:35] sivang: only CD [12:35] Mithrandir: heading towards the archive now [12:35] (i need it to make edubuntu-server (and the CDs) work) [12:35] ogra: jinty [12:35] but there's still the vim-runtime priority bug which will break image building [12:35] 10:07 < Kamion> elmo: please make vim-runtime Priority: important, sorta urgent [12:35] dholbach, yes, but doko was already in contact with him === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] kamion, yeah, it seems easy. Just a stupid question, where can I access this help menu in the installation? [12:39] WaterSevenUb: F1 on a VERY current CD image [12:39] like, today's [12:39] kamion, 8Feb :-p [12:39] :) [12:39] try pressing F1 then === zace_ [n=marc@i577B6722.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] oh, probably not a new enough d-i on it or something [12:40] in that case you can't access it yet; tough :) [12:40] i've already tried... [12:40] yape:) That's problematic to test the translation :) [12:40] Kamion: can I say we expect support to be avilable in the Dapper+1 time frame? (IntelMac) [12:41] JaneW: I don't think we can promise anything [12:41] JaneW: It's /possible/ (though not likely) that it could be done in the Dapper time frame [12:41] if it's closed hardware then we're stuffed until magic appears [12:41] But right now, it's impossible to know how long it is [12:41] Kamion: The graphics stuff isn't going to be a blocker for long === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] ok I'll be suitably vague ;) [12:41] Kamion: There's way too much incentive to get that fixed [12:41] WaterSevenUb: yes, sorry, I'm happy for a contributed translation to be untested [12:41] kamion, will do it. ok:) [12:42] mjg59: yeah, but at the same time we really ought not to promise things that aren't entirely in our control [12:43] WaterSevenUb: meh, current d-i failed to build because of locales crap shifting around under me [12:44] I'll sort that out [12:44] thanks guys === iBalo [n=user@dslc-213-023-142-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] hi all === doko [n=doko@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.59.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-1-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.213.220.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.5.95.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@179.Red-83-58-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.253.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietrus [n=pietrus@c92583d3.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] Kamion: could you promote these source packages to main? scim skim scim-qtimm im-switch anthy; and these binary: anthy im-switch libanthy0 libscim8c2a libskim0 scim scim-qtimm skim [01:52] Riddell: I cannot do promotions at the moment, sorry. [01:52] ask elmo [01:52] (I suggest mail) [01:52] ok === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] yay, there was finally a conclusion to the input-debate? :) === susus [n=sz@p5089D017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ is now known as j^ [02:04] what's the problem with elmo ? He seems to have a huge backlog regarding sync requests [02:04] he is still ill ? [02:07] lucas: try to tame your tongue a bit. "what's the problem with elmo?" is not appropriate at all. [02:09] lucas: You're speaking about a person - keep that in mind. [02:09] lucas: he did just spend the last weeks slaving to move the archive to launchpad. [02:10] lucas: the fact that folks including elmo are still very busy rewriting ftpmaster tools to work with launchpad is relevant; individual sync requests are much less important [02:11] mjg59: ping [02:19] HiddenWolf: Hi [02:20] dholbach: sorry, my fault. the french equivalent of " what's the problem with ?" is ok [02:20] Kamion: ok [02:21] mjg59: Hi. [02:21] mjg59: pitti and seb128 referred me to you. [02:22] mjg59: I'm having an issue that when watching a movie fullscreen in totem, my monitor goes to standby. I'm guessing this is because g-p-m overrules totem/screensaver and sends the monitor to sleep. [02:22] HiddenWolf, plesae file a bug on totem [02:22] ogra: why? [02:23] Kamion: I completly agree that James has more important things to do than processing sync requests. Anyway, is it really necessary that he does all syncs himself? can't this be delegated to someone with more ressources? [02:23] gnome-screensaver respects the _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN_ setting afaik [02:23] seb128, ^^^ [02:23] the app should set it [02:23] the issue is not gnome-screensaver [02:23] ogra: I did that yesterday, and hadess replied with "NOTMYPROBLEM" [02:23] totem speaks with gnome-screensaver by dbus and that works fine [02:23] seb128, exactly, the issue is the app not setting the state [02:24] the issue is not the screensaver starting but the screen going to standby [02:24] then i wonder what the wm--spec is written for [02:24] oops, i didnt get that above .... ignore me === ogra shuts up === HiddenWolf hugs ogra [02:25] siretart: my understanding is that it will be once the relevant launchpad code is written [02:26] siretart: for now, delegation has the ultimate effect of creating more work for James because he still has to keep track of which sync requests other people have randomly picked up and ensure that all of them get done; that's why he asked mdz and me not to do them [02:26] ogra: _NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN [02:26] ogra: according to xprop [02:27] ogra: totem does use the wm-spec, you should try before ranting on apps not following a spec [02:27] seb128, yes, i guess g-p-m needs a patch [02:27] Kamion: I'm a bit concerned that the releavant spec has priorty 'NOTFORUS': https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-upload-and-queue/+spec/package-source-management . This indicates that changing the current process is not a priority [02:27] seb128, i haver bugs about totem-xine, i mixed that up [02:27] ogra: note that fullscreen is probably a windowmanager issue and not an app one [02:28] seb128, but movie players shoud set the state, no ? [02:28] siretart: I don't think that has much bearing on reality [02:28] frankly [02:28] I hope se. really [02:28] s/se/so/ [02:28] given that e.g. a basic reimplementation of the sync tool for use with launchpad has already been written [02:28] ah, thats good to hear. [02:29] also, it's entirely legitimate for the soyuz team to put process improvements below bringing soyuz up to par with the process implemented in katie [02:29] I have no complaints with them doing so [02:30] ogra: dunno what they should do, but according to xprop it has "_NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN" and it speaks by dbus to gnome-screensaver so that's probably not an app bug [02:30] seb128, as i said above, g-p-m needs a patch to respect this ... [02:31] /me neither. [02:31] (i wonder why dbus is needed if the X atom is set) [02:31] isnt that duplication ? [02:31] because there's no such thing as just using a single hammer? Be sure to use the whole array of options. [02:31] Kamion, I talked to dholbach about bulk approval of updating to xfce 4.3 and related UVF exception (the one I asked for in advance in the TB meeting of Jan 17th) [02:31] heh [02:32] he said I talk to you or mdz since these are apporved for main pending promotion so not MOTU territory [02:32] dunno exactly how gnome-screensaver work, I guess that the dbus dialog is when using it without fullscreen === pietrus [n=pietrus@c92583d3.virtua.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:32] ah, that'd make sense [02:32] and also because there's no diffstat/changelog it's basically ~20 packages from a new development line [02:32] and anyway why a fullscreen should stop the screensaver? [02:32] you can pause a movie for some hour [02:32] so could either you or mdz approve uploading them [02:32] the screen should standy then [02:32] because you dont want it to pop in while watching a movie [02:33] fullscreen doesn't indicate you watch anything [02:33] they're stable enough and soon to become 4.4 [02:33] but its likely that you watch something ... [02:33] janimo: please send e-mail about this with a description of the changes [02:33] to me and mdz [02:34] we don't typically do approvals of large changes by IRC [02:34] even if its only a audion vizulazation plugin [02:34] Kamion, will do thanks [02:34] ogra: why? some people have a command line in full screen, some other have a text editor open in fullscreen, etc [02:35] seb128, i'm not talking about terminals ... only about players [02:35] the wm-spec doesn't say what kind of app you are using, does it? [02:35] and i think its very likely you want to watch if totem runs fullscreen [02:35] nope [02:36] so how is gnome-screensaver supposed to know? === slomo [n=slomo@dslb-084-061-162-188.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] but as you pointed out, totem already uses it [02:36] and g-s-s respects it ... [02:36] seb128: you don't run editors full screen usually, only maximized [02:36] lets just make g-p-m work the same way [02:37] no need to discuss it to death :) [02:37] azeem: it was a random example to point that not only player have a full screen option [02:37] you can open a pdf fullscreen to read it if you prefer the example [02:38] that should not prevent the screen to go standby if you run away an hour [02:38] azeem: hitting F11 in the latest gnome-terminal runs it in fullscreen :-) [02:38] torkel: ugh [02:38] azeem: same for epiphany, same for evince [02:38] that's pretty standard GNOME behaviour [02:38] why "ugh"? [02:38] ogra: speaking of the screen saver, would it be possible to not activate it after resuming from sleep? [02:39] ogra: it doesn't lock the display anyway, so no point [02:39] seb128: I see the point for evince (doing pdf presentations e.g.), but not for the terminal, but that is besides the point anyway [02:39] the question is rather: Does the window content change? === HiddenWolf cries out: "but where do I file the bug!" [02:39] if I sit before a terminal and watch a compile pass by, I'd be annoyed when the screensaver kicks in [02:39] pitti, we had a discussion in hoary that resulted in the locking ... [02:40] if I just leave a blinking prompt, no problem [02:40] pitti, not sure if we should change behavior here [02:40] azeem: the screensaver has no information like "the window details are changing" [02:40] pitti, i'd rather have it locking [02:40] ogra: it should either lock or not start the saver at all, but right now it's quite pointless IMHO [02:40] azeem: that's why the app speaks by dbus to it [02:41] ogra: can this be configured then? I'm quite annoyed of locked screens if I didn't ask for it, and if I want to lock, I can do that explicitly [02:41] pitti, yes, i'll look at it ... i'd like to keep the behavior we had in breezy and before for this ... users will expect it to behave the same [02:41] ogra: full ack [02:41] I think we should have something so a window can say "I have activity in me", whether it be a movie player, a phone application or something else. And in addition, you'd want to monitor keyboard and mouse, possibly others as well [02:42] pitti, can you check if "require password" is set for you in g-p-m's gconf settings ? [02:42] Mithrandir: there is a dbus interface to say "hang on, I don't want you to standy anything" [02:42] standby anything [02:42] ogra: in some minutes, I'm just booting the live cd [02:42] Mithrandir: that's what totem does by example [02:42]