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| mhz | jsgotangco: sorry, i should ping you here :) | 02:56 |
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| jsgotangco | heh | 02:56 |
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| mhz | jsgotangco: if you had to write a how-to create docs for doc-team... what would you say the only basic tags are to learn? | 02:57 |
| === mhz knows his english is crappy these days | ||
| jsgotangco | basic docbook tags? | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | well the styleguide is a good place to add those | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | and eventually the styleguide becomes a doc guide | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | me and jeff schering discussed about it before | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | I use screen orderedlist application and filename a lot | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | orderedlist mostly | 02:59 |
| === robotgeek is copy pasting mostly | ||
| mhz | hmmm | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, as long as its well formed and valid heh | 03:01 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: yeah, i am still editing ubuntu desktop guide :) | 03:02 |
| === mhz was thinking a good idea would be to have short 3 or 5 pages doc where readers can easily start making docs using tags in a 'way' doc-team needs. This way, after only 3 or 5 pages he's ready to start in action and slowly add more tags/style based on deeper guides | ||
| robotgeek | http://robotgeek.no-ip.info/KubuntuDesktopGuide/ is the cheap html preview | 03:03 |
| mhz | example: the following is a basic doc (considering tags) template for you to follow | 03:03 |
| === mhz opening tab | ||
| robotgeek | everyone should expect a bunch of patches tommorow :) | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that's no problem as long as *somone* replies that the patch has been applied | 03:07 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: i just sent in a email to the list regarding a patch which bur[n] er sent, basically not to apply it | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | i tried it failed | 03:10 |
| robotgeek | hmm, that's weird, cause i was able to apply it with (patch -p0 < patchfile) | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | well i haven't committed anyway patch away :) | 03:14 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: i think jjesse missed 2 patches | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | where? | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | i'll patch it now | 03:15 |
| robotgeek | in my tar.gz, i dunno if he had somethine else in mind | 03:15 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm i'll check again | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | what specific patches? | 03:15 |
| robotgeek | new_menus.patch is what he missed | 03:15 |
| robotgeek | global.ent.patch is a patch adding a link for kubuntu-support | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | ok i'll check on it now | 03:17 |
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| robotgeek | howdy Madpilot | 03:37 |
| Madpilot | hi robotgeek | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | hi Madpilot | 03:42 |
| Madpilot | hi LaserJock | 03:42 |
| robotgeek | hey LaserJock | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | hi robotgeek | 03:44 |
| robotgeek | heh, long list of hey's and hi, always good | 03:44 |
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| Snake__ | *yawns* | 04:28 |
| jjesse | no yawning | 04:28 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: why not | 04:30 |
| jjesse | cause it reminds me that i'm tired and should go to bed, instead of working on kubuntu stuff | 04:31 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: haha, what time is it there? | 04:31 |
| Snake__ | (wherever you are...) | 04:31 |
| jjesse | almost 11pm, i'm in michigan united states, however it's been a long day, up at 6am | 04:32 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: meh come on, im ohio here, and im up at 5:30 am, you can make it :P | 04:32 |
| jjesse | where bouts in ohio? | 04:32 |
| jjesse | i'm in grand rapids Mi | 04:32 |
| Snake__ | Eastlake, up near cleveland | 04:33 |
| jjesse | oh i've heard of it | 04:33 |
| Snake__ | Wow, im surprised :) | 04:33 |
| Snake__ | I didnt think its a famous as it seems to be | 04:33 |
| Snake__ | lol | 04:33 |
| jjesse | my dad's family is from elyria | 04:33 |
| Snake__ | Ah, that place is nice | 04:33 |
| jjesse | and i've been to cleveland several times | 04:33 |
| jjesse | avon lake as well | 04:33 |
| robotgeek | hey jsgotangco | 04:34 |
| robotgeek | damn i am tired, i meant "hi jjesse " | 04:34 |
| Snake__ | wb robotgeek | 04:35 |
| jjesse | hiya robotgeek | 04:35 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: did you miss 2 patches? or not apply them for some reason? | 04:35 |
| jjesse | hmm must have missed two.. i can take care of them in the monring | 04:35 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco is looking at them, so don't bother | 04:36 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: you must be busy, applying all this stuff between the 3 of you (I think theres only 3 right?) | 04:36 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: i have been managing a mini svn here, 3 ppl working on the same chapter :) | 04:36 |
| jjesse | that have svn access or just do kubuntu docs? | 04:37 |
| jjesse | there are lots that have svn access, just some of us hang out more in the channel | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | well majority of those with svn access are not active anymore | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | but sometimes make a fix or two | 04:37 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: sorry bout not posting to the mailing list, sent a note on the channel instaed, was busy at work | 04:38 |
| Snake__ | Oh okay | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, its ok :) | 04:38 |
| jjesse | hmmm what other applications should i talk about in my chapter :( | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | is this for the official book? | 04:38 |
| jjesse | yup | 04:38 |
| bur[n] er | jjesse: what chapter? | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | do you work with a DE? | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | (developmental editor) | 04:39 |
| jjesse | yeah i need to submit my first draft on friday morning | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | deja vu | 04:39 |
| jjesse | i think Burgwork has his in already cause he got a head start :) | 04:39 |
| jjesse | i'm late to the game | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | yeah DEs can be so demanding | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | when you start writing a book, you get a whole new perspective of how its being done | 04:40 |
| jjesse | i know and i'm only writing a chapter | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 04:40 |
| robotgeek | so, are most of the docteam writers? | 04:40 |
| jjesse | i'm not a writer by proffession robotgeek | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | same here | 04:40 |
| jjesse | i just do it in my "spare" time | 04:40 |
| robotgeek | hmm, okay. | 04:41 |
| jjesse | for a job i'm a windows network administrator | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | even spare time can be frustrating | 04:41 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: wwwinnddooowwwsss | 04:41 |
| Snake__ | MSCE will get no where near my name | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | sometimes your mind goes blank and can't write | 04:41 |
| Snake__ | MCSE* Whatever | 04:41 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: happened to me when i was writing my thesis | 04:41 |
| Kaiser_Away | MSCE | 04:41 |
| Snake__ | I thought so :) | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | Snake__, it's jjesse 's money maker at the moment so... | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | nothing wrong with it | 04:41 |
| jjesse | microsoft certieifed systems engineer | 04:42 |
| Snake__ | Yea | 04:42 |
| Snake__ | MCSE Thats what I thought | 04:42 |
| Kaiser_Away | jjesse: oh ok. i thought the middle 2 wre the other way around o_0 | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | i used to admin a lot of win2k3 servers too | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | till i left that job | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:42 |
| jjesse | win2k3 are a lot easier to admin then either an NT or 2000 box ever was | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | now i'm clueless on windows servers | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:42 |
| === robotgeek was adminning debian server in his lab | ||
| Kaiser_Away | minesweeper consultant/solitare expert ... and i still cant remember the letters :$ | 04:42 |
| jjesse | oh i run a debian server as well | 04:43 |
| === bur[n] er is a windows network admin for a job :) | ||
| jsgotangco | NO UBUNTU? | 04:43 |
| jjesse | beside my boxes nope | 04:43 |
| === Snake__ shakes his head MCP will not be related with my name | ||
| Snake__ | lol | 04:43 |
| === jsgotangco shows jjesse fancy kungfu moves | ||
| robotgeek | hmm, it's a sparc | 04:43 |
| bur[n] er | jjesse: exchange 11 sp1 is still as ugly as ever ;) | 04:43 |
| jjesse | debian serve was running before kubuntu | 04:43 |
| Snake__ | I want to go for CCNA, and CCNP | 04:43 |
| robotgeek | never change anything that works well :_) | 04:43 |
| jjesse | bur[n] er: no doubt, i'm still a little upset that exchange 12 will be only 64 bit | 04:43 |
| jjesse | ccna is tough, i missed it by one question last time i took it | 04:44 |
| jjesse | Snake__: if you are looking for a cisco job get certified in telephony | 04:44 |
| === robotgeek will probably take a Linux certification thingie soon | ||
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:44 |
| jjesse | and if you are yung enough, skip the ccna ccnp and go right for the big dog | 04:44 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: I had a cisco rep say he would refer me, and probly get in into a school because he was impressed at my knowledge lol | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | telephony is the way to go | 04:45 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: only 16, is that young enough? | 04:45 |
| Snake__ | :) | 04:45 |
| jjesse | it will take about 5 years to get the big dog, the CCIE, 100k/year pretty much guarenteed | 04:45 |
| robotgeek | i don't know jack squat about cisco stuff | 04:45 |
| jjesse | and the CCIE is the only cert that you don't have renew all the time | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | same here | 04:46 |
| === jsgotangco just slacks | ||
| Snake__ | jjesse: but wouldn't I need to go through the levels? | 04:46 |
| Snake__ | CCNA, CCNP, CCIE | 04:46 |
| jjesse | not neccessary | 04:46 |
| jjesse | i know someone that weent from no cert to ccie after 5 years of studying | 04:46 |
| Snake__ | hmmm | 04:47 |
| Snake__ | Ill have to look into that | 04:47 |
| jjesse | but along the way you can almost ace the tests for the other certs | 04:47 |
| === bur[n] er works certificate-less | ||
| Snake__ | bur[n] er: your runnin 2k3 servers without certs? | 04:47 |
| Snake__ | ? | 04:48 |
| jjesse | bur[n] er nod don't have to have a cert to get a job | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | im pretty much comfortable to where i am now | 04:48 |
| jjesse | just have to be good | 04:48 |
| Snake__ | Certainly not for a big company... | 04:48 |
| bur[n] er | Snake__: running, specing, purchasing, installing, yes :) | 04:48 |
| Snake__ | bur[n] er: did you have a friend that got you in?? | 04:48 |
| === bur[n] er works for a consulting company to many businesses too big to manage IT, but too small to have a full time IT staff | ||
| bur[n] er | Snake__: no, just started doing it ;) | 04:49 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, do you read sounder? | 04:49 |
| Snake__ | Weird... lol, around here they wouldn't even let me work on a machine at a mom and pop store despite me outsmarting them >10 times and fixing 3 of their machines w/o pay | 04:49 |
| Snake__ | lol | 04:49 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: nope should I ? | 04:50 |
| bur[n] er | Snake__: it helps that I'm not a teenager ;) | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, mark suggested a doc sprint in london late march | 04:50 |
| jjesse | i'm already on like 5 different *ubuntu docs | 04:50 |
| Snake__ | bur[n] er: yea I guess so :P | 04:50 |
| bur[n] er | people assume I have a masters or something... i never correct them ;) | 04:50 |
| robotgeek | bur[n] er: heh | 04:50 |
| jjesse | hmmm that would be nice, no money for travel though | 04:50 |
| Snake__ | bur[n] er: I'm not aroggant with it, but ill correct people if they cant fix something | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, he's willing to pay though, but that's just his suggestion no concrete details yet | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | and it conflicts with our freeze | 04:51 |
| jjesse | then i'll schedule my vacation :) | 04:51 |
| jjesse | doh | 04:51 |
| Snake__ | Man im so sore...must do 19 more pushups!! | 04:51 |
| jjesse | hmm for dapper we getting quickguide, about-kubuntu and releasenotes correct? | 04:51 |
| bur[n] er | is anyone tackling xubuntu documentation at all? | 04:51 |
| jjesse | cause releasenotes and about-kubuntu are up to date | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek is tackling desktop guide but hmmm | 04:52 |
| robotgeek | let me and so is Snake__ and bur[n] er | 04:52 |
| === robotgeek is typoing badly today | ||
| jjesse | i'll think riddell is packaging quickguide, should i have him package desktopguide instead? | 04:52 |
| Snake__ | anyone want to do then next 15 for me? | 04:52 |
| Snake__ | lol | 04:52 |
| Snake__ | bur[n] er: come here and do 15 more pushups for me...i cant go down again :( | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | nahh desktop guide isn't that hot yet | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | quickguide is still more appropriate for now | 04:53 |
| jjesse | do you have quickguide current for dapper? | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | almost | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | ive edited the menu | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | but have to add updated shots | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | shouldnt be difficult for this weekend | 04:54 |
| jjesse | i poked riddell to get the stylesheet applied to the quickguide | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:54 |
| jjesse | so it will look like release notes | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that would be better | 04:54 |
| Snake__ | DONE Ohhh thank god. | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | ive removed references saying its a draft doc | 04:55 |
| === Snake__ finally gets to sit :D | ||
| jsgotangco | and update the menus | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | not that much changes just need to update the text too | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | and better screenshots | 04:55 |
| jjesse | nice i think that once i get the chapter done i'll be back to hacking away at docs, riddell wants me to get the adept guide done | 04:56 |
| jjesse | and uploaded to kde docs | 04:56 |
| jjesse | as adept is now included in sarge | 04:56 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: heh, i'll be referencing it quite a bit | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | sarge? | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | really? | 04:56 |
| jjesse | debian | 04:56 |
| jjesse | that's what i heard | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | you sure its in sarge? | 04:56 |
| jjesse | its upstream | 04:56 |
| jjesse | hmmm do | 04:56 |
| jjesse | doh, whats the testing one called | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | i would expect it to be in sid | 04:57 |
| jjesse | got them confused | 04:57 |
| jjesse | stupdi me | 04:57 |
| robotgeek | etch? | 04:57 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: did we just add games to the kubuntuguide? | 04:57 |
| === jjesse slaps head | ||
| jsgotangco | sid | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | sid is your experimental | 04:57 |
| bur[n] er | sid == unstable | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:57 |
| bur[n] er | experimental == experimental ;) | 04:57 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: no, no one did. i tht you were taking it up | 04:57 |
| bur[n] er | etch == testing and sarge == stable and woody == old ;) | 04:57 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: I am, but I was looking for some refrences I can go off of | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | etch is supposed to come late this year but that's wishful thinking | 04:58 |
| bur[n] er | Snake__: try the ubuntu guide ;) | 04:58 |
| Snake__ | bur[n] er: ah good it is here | 04:58 |
| Snake__ | THEY GOT FROZEN BUBBLE!! | 04:58 |
| Snake__ | YES!! | 04:58 |
| Snake__ | :) | 04:58 |
| jjesse | the docs aren't even in dapper :( | 04:58 |
| === Snake__ is a happy camper | ||
| jsgotangco | not yet | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | its ok | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | flight 4 | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 04:59 |
| jjesse | this week | 04:59 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: i'm just going to take what the ubuntu guide has, and expand on it, that okay? | 04:59 |
| === jsgotangco goes to kitchen for some fruits | ||
| Snake__ | expand and customize to kubuntu | 04:59 |
| jjesse | hmm how wierd is this, i'm running windows xp on my laptop, using vm player to run dapper which i'm current in and conntect via krdc to a windows 2000 professional box | 05:01 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: sure | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, evil | 05:01 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: aight | 05:01 |
| jjesse | mdke: can you change the link to quickguide on d.u.c it currenlty is looking for kquickguide-web instead of quickguide-web | 05:03 |
| === jsgotangco looks for his d.u.c. ssh account | ||
| jjesse | hmm wait isn't that in svn ? | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | yeah changing now | 05:05 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: just change sidebar.inc.php, not on box w/ svn access | 05:05 |
| robotgeek | how do we generate those nice preview pages, with status ? use the make file? | 05:05 |
| jjesse | don't they get built automatically? | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | there's a cron job | 05:06 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: i havent used the make file yet | 05:06 |
| jjesse | the preview pages on d.u.c ?? or local preview pages? | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | d.u.c. | 05:06 |
| Snake__ | Hey I assume you guys know kate pretty well? | 05:07 |
| Snake__ | maybe? | 05:07 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: which were you asking about? | 05:07 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: i meant the ones locally | 05:07 |
| robotgeek | /ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/Makefile? | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, done | 05:08 |
| Snake__ | help please? | 05:08 |
| jjesse | Snake__ what do you need help w/ in kate? | 05:08 |
| Snake__ | Is there a way to get 2 terminals in kate? | 05:08 |
| jjesse | never tried | 05:09 |
| === jsgotangco doesn't use kate | ||
| Snake__ | :( | 05:09 |
| Snake__ | I would like to irssi from inside to save resources | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, d.u.c. is pretty updated it already reflected my changes a few days ago | 05:10 |
| jjesse | yeah i noticed that it keeps quite current, i point people there from #kubuntu all the time when they want to know what is in dapper | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | i should start deleting irrelevant entries | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | and images | 05:11 |
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| jsgotangco | heh let me lock down d.u.c. first its showing too much info | 05:12 |
| Snake__ | *sigh* | 05:14 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: learn how to use screen, one terminal for everything :) | 05:14 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: I know how to use screen...ah crap im so retarted | 05:15 |
| Snake__ | lol | 05:15 |
| Snake__ | I never think outside the box | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | i couldnt find my account | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | grr | 05:16 |
| === robotgeek screams "my patch my patch!" | ||
| jsgotangco | mdke, when you come online can you send me the username/pass of the d.u.c. server you sent to me a while back i couldn't find the one that you send me in my email anymore if or if its already disabled, can you create a new acocunt for me i want to lockdown apache | 05:18 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: ? | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, and some other mad server settings | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, sudo access as well | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, don't worry i won't rm -rf it :) | 05:19 |
| Snake__ | hmmmmm | 05:19 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: i was hoping jsgotangco would commit the patch | 05:19 |
| === Snake__ wonder how he would quit screen now without exiting irssi | ||
| Snake__ | lol | 05:19 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: did you not start irssi in the screen? | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't reviewed the patch | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | hold on | 05:19 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: its in the screen, but I only have on screen, I need 2 | 05:20 |
| === jsgotangco is currently at work but about to take his break | ||
| Snake__ | I can switch between 2 screens when I only have 1 open | 05:20 |
| Snake__ | cant** | 05:20 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: then you don't know how to use screen :) <ctl + a> + c | 05:21 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: I can use screen :( Exit konsole, when you irssi back up, screen -r :P | 05:22 |
| jjesse | ok bed time | 05:22 |
| Snake__ | night jsgotangco | 05:23 |
| Snake__ | ugh | 05:23 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: night | 05:23 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: hmm, you can have 2 screens | 05:23 |
| robotgeek | night jjesse , i think i'll join you as soon as i setup a few things | 05:23 |
| Snake__ | robotgeek: im lookin for a howto now :) | 05:23 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: do you think my wife will be jealous? | 05:23 |
| Snake__ | jjesse: what, that your giving more time to ubuntu than her? | 05:24 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: heh, i meant in the act, not in bed :) | 05:24 |
| Snake__ | lol | 05:24 |
| Snake__ | OH MY GOD I DIDNT CATCH THAT | 05:24 |
| Snake__ | ROFL! | 05:24 |
| Snake__ | woo crap I could use some sleep too | 05:25 |
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| bur[n] er | Snake__: you really can "man screen" and it'll tell ya | 05:29 |
| Snake__ | bur[n] er: i got it | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | screen is really useful | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | ctrl-a ? | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:34 |
| robotgeek | i mapped to ctl + z | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | who says you cant multitask on console | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:35 |
| Snake__ | lol | 05:35 |
| Snake__ | how do i switch screens, is ctl a the only way? | 05:35 |
| robotgeek | who needs a ide, lol | 05:35 |
| bur[n] er | aww crap jj left | 05:35 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: ctl + a, space, p n | 05:36 |
| robotgeek | numbers all work :) | 05:36 |
| bur[n] er | and a switches back adn forth | 05:36 |
| Snake__ | everytime I press ctrl a the screens cycle throught like their crazy....not really much of a chance to choose what screen i wanna go to | 05:37 |
| bur[n] er | don't hold it ;) | 05:37 |
| Snake__ | bur[n] er: what do you mean | 05:37 |
| robotgeek | Snake__: just do ctrl - a , then space | 05:38 |
| bur[n] er | Snake__: just play... nevermind ;) | 05:38 |
| Snake__ | WOW | 05:38 |
| Snake__ | thats amazing | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:38 |
| bur[n] er | lol | 05:38 |
| bur[n] er | what's not amazing is nautilus crashing on sftp:// connections to a freesshd windows host :\ | 05:38 |
| robotgeek | heh, bur[n] er use lftp :) | 05:39 |
| bur[n] er | i want a drag/drop gui | 05:39 |
| bur[n] er | and i just want to open remote files, edit them, save them, without copying it locally | 05:39 |
| bur[n] er | konq works :) | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | scp? | 05:41 |
| bur[n] er | sftp:// via konq | 05:42 |
| bur[n] er | same idea | 05:42 |
| bur[n] er | not sure why I use sftp instead of fish, i just do ;) | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | i work remotely most of the time then i scp a server from au to a server in LA | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | now *thats* intercontinental | 05:43 |
| jsgotangco | jeeezz i just finished a half pound of grapes | 05:45 |
| robotgeek | whoa...long time since i ate grapes | 05:45 |
| === jsgotangco is doing the vegan thing | ||
| jsgotangco | well not too vegan | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | i still like my leather :) | 05:46 |
| robotgeek | heh | 05:46 |
| robotgeek | i am doing the non-vegan thing :) | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | i sure miss a big mac though sometimes | 05:47 |
| robotgeek | i don't eat beef, only chicken :) | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | its that religion-based? | 05:48 |
| robotgeek | it was | 05:49 |
| robotgeek | not eating meat | 05:49 |
| robotgeek | not eating beef is a matter of taste | 05:49 |
| robotgeek | vegan for 22 years of my life | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | well i understand most indian cultures do that | 05:50 |
| robotgeek | yup, pretty common | 05:50 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, eh, lockdown apache? | 08:57 |
| jsgotangco | ok lockdown isn't the correct term :) | 08:58 |
| mdke | what do you want to do? | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | sex it up so it doesn't show that much info | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | you can do it if you want to | 08:58 |
| mdke | i'm looking for your account | 08:59 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:59 |
| mdke | you don't have one, I'll make it | 08:59 |
| mdke | what username? | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | jgotangco would do | 09:00 |
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| mdke | what did I miss? | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | what do you think of this distro srpint in london | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | that sabdfl thought of | 09:09 |
| mdke | which one? | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | sounder | 09:10 |
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| mdke | argh | 09:10 |
| jsgotangco | its not in stone yet though, just a random thought from his brain | 09:11 |
| mdke | ok, i don't understand a word of the first post | 09:11 |
| mdke | reading marks' now | 09:11 |
| mdke | nice thought, the problem is that very few of us can probably spare the time off | 09:12 |
| mdke | and as you say, it is a bit late in the game | 09:12 |
| mdke | geez, I miss a lot by not reading sounder | 09:13 |
| mdke | ok i'm off to work | 09:15 |
| bhuvan | mdke: ping | 09:27 |
| k31th | Morning | 09:34 |
| k31th | mdke is that any thing to do with mandrake ? | 09:46 |
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| rob | hmm.. what did I start on the list? | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | the website thread? | 10:44 |
| rob | I mentioned the web site, then seveas went with it then there was like 20 emails | 10:44 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 10:45 |
| rob | hmm, 715 new emails | 10:46 |
| rob | I haven't checked that on my main pc for two days :( | 10:47 |
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| jsgotangco | lol | 10:47 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, sounder | 10:47 |
| rob | the sprint sounds like a good idea, as long as people could get time off | 10:47 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 10:48 |
| jsgotangco | but its too soon | 10:48 |
| rob | for dapper? | 10:48 |
| jsgotangco | not to mention we're almost on freeze during that time | 10:49 |
| rob | it should be sooner | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 10:49 |
| rob | end of march would be freeze, thats still almost 2 months away | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | i dunno its too soon but if its to plan for dapper +1 that would be too early | 10:50 |
| rob | to plan for dapper +1 yeah, it should happen just after dapper is released | 10:51 |
| rob | but if the aim is to get the docs sorted for dapper itself, now would be good | 10:51 |
| rob | still a little bit of time left, although I'm picturing a week long sprint | 10:52 |
| jsgotangco | you interested? | 10:52 |
| rob | yeah | 10:52 |
| rob | if the group wants me, that is | 10:52 |
| jsgotangco | well let's see how it unfolds | 10:54 |
| rob | yeah, sounds good | 10:54 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: docteam sprint? | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, mark suggested it out of nowhere in sounder | 10:56 |
| rob | maybe one of us should forward the email to ubuntu-doc? | 10:56 |
| Madpilot | I should probably sign up for sounder... | 10:57 |
| jsgotangco | yeah sounder is good | 10:57 |
| rob | yep | 10:57 |
| jsgotangco | its supposed to be off topic but a lot of good ideas come out of it | 10:57 |
| rob | its good because people can just throw ideas out there | 10:57 |
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| Madpilot | subbed to sounder now | 11:02 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, pong | 12:03 |
| bhuvan | mdke, looking for you to discuss about article2moin | 12:04 |
| bhuvan | do we have any plan on this for dapper ? | 12:04 |
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| mdke | no, i don't think so | 12:04 |
| mdke | moin hosts html quite nicely | 12:04 |
| bhuvan | ok! | 12:04 |
| mdke | so there is no real need to convert stuff to moin markup | 12:04 |
| bhuvan | so, we will do docbook2html and host it in moin ? | 12:05 |
| mdke | the html generation will happen the same way as it does now, and then yes, we'll host it in moin | 12:07 |
| rob | hi mdke | 12:11 |
| mdke | hiya | 12:13 |
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| mdke | k31th, no | 12:36 |
| mdke | they are my initials | 12:36 |
| k31th | mdke: thats good newa | 12:37 |
| k31th | news | 12:37 |
| robotgeek | hey mdke k31th | 12:38 |
| mdke | hi | 12:39 |
| manicka | evening all :) | 12:42 |
| robotgeek | hey manicka | 12:46 |
| manicka | howdy | 12:46 |
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| mhz | kjcole: hey! | 01:00 |
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| mhz | kevin, could show me a nice url where I can see the cookbook, please? ;p | 01:00 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i'd like to see it in its naked glory too | 01:02 |
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| jsgotangco | show us! show us! | 01:05 |
| mhz | kjcole: give it to us, daddy boy! | 01:06 |
| mhz | :D | 01:06 |
| jsgotangco | you'll never escape this time! | 01:06 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: 'you'.. as in kjcole? or 'you' as in mhz? | 01:08 |
| jsgotangco | kjcole heh | 01:09 |
| kjcole | Having trouble being in two places at once.... | 01:09 |
| mdke | bhuvan, btw did you post on the forums about serverguide feedback? | 01:19 |
| bhuvan | mdke, no | 01:19 |
| mdke | do you think it's a good idea? | 01:19 |
| mdke | I can post here if you like, and get it stickied | 01:19 |
| mdke | http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | 01:19 |
| bhuvan | i'm not a good follower of forums. if you think it would add value, please go ahead | 01:20 |
| mdke | ok, but you have to subscribe :) | 01:21 |
| mdke | that way you'll see the feedback and can implement some suggestions, if there are good ones | 01:21 |
| bhuvan | sure i will | 01:21 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, done | 01:27 |
| bhuvan | mdke, ok | 01:27 |
| bhuvan | i have registered myself to forums | 01:27 |
| mdke | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127112 | 01:27 |
| mdke | cool | 01:27 |
| jsgotangco | cool | 01:28 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, how is it difficult to hack up our make script to accomodate 2 edubuntu docs? | 01:28 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, is this to put them on the website? | 01:29 |
| mdke | if so, easy | 01:29 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 01:29 |
| jsgotangco | for previews/peer review, etc. | 01:29 |
| mdke | if they were hosted in svn | 01:29 |
| jsgotangco | yeah it is | 01:30 |
| jsgotangco | i'm going to clean up the edubuntu folder and retain what's only needed | 01:30 |
| mdke | okay good | 01:31 |
| mdke | i'll do the makefile once you've done that | 01:31 |
| jsgotangco | thanks =) | 01:32 |
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| Kagou | hi | 01:56 |
| mdke | hello | 01:57 |
| Kagou | i can't find who is working on each part of the documentation. An example : who's working on cups part of the server guide | 01:58 |
| mdke | Kagou, we don't assign specific people to sections of documents | 01:59 |
| mdke | any member can work on any document, and we normally have a contact for each document | 01:59 |
| Kagou | okay mdke so if i have some suggestions on that part, i'll make a diff an post it on the mailing list ?! | 01:59 |
| mdke | Kagou, absolutely, that would be great | 02:00 |
| mdke | Kagou, you are familiar with the source code we use? | 02:00 |
| Kagou | you mean docbook ?! | 02:00 |
| mdke | yes | 02:00 |
| Kagou | not so but that's not a BIG problem | 02:00 |
| mdke | cool | 02:01 |
| mdke | if you prefer, you can send in suggestions and we can convert them to docbook | 02:01 |
| mdke | don't diff the html version | 02:01 |
| Kagou | suggestions in plain text ?! | 02:02 |
| mdke | if you prefer that to docbook, sure | 02:02 |
| Kagou | ok. thnx mdke. I'll have a look at the doc and try to do some suggestions. The only BIG problem is my english :p (i'm french) | 02:03 |
| mdke | no problem at all | 02:04 |
| mdke | your english is obviously fine, anyway there will be plenty of time for spellchecking and so on | 02:04 |
| Kagou | ok | 02:05 |
| Kagou | http://help.ubuntu.com/ seem's to be down | 02:06 |
| mdke | damn | 02:08 |
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| jsgotangco | i didn't do anytihhng! | 02:11 |
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| mdke | :) | 02:12 |
| Kagou | :D | 02:13 |
| jjesse | what's wrong? | 02:19 |
| mdke | our server is down | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | i just changed my password a few hours ago :P | 02:22 |
| jjesse | doh that stinks | 02:23 |
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| mdke | it will be a test of serverpronto's customer service | 02:23 |
| mdke | I've heard it is rubbish | 02:23 |
| mdke | btw jjesse we may have a problem with building the kubuntu desktop guide | 02:28 |
| mdke | it occurred to me that the stupid kde tools don't support things like xincludes and probably not the olinkdb either | 02:28 |
| mdke | the options are (a) use xsltproc for that guide, or (b) change the guide so it doesn't use that stuff | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | stupid kde tools? | 02:32 |
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| mdke | well, they don't | 02:32 |
| mdke | we always knew that | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | seriously though | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | that is an issue | 02:33 |
| mdke | yes it is | 02:33 |
| mdke | not a new one either | 02:34 |
| jjesse | to be honest i don't know how much help i will be in this discussion as i'm don't totally understand xincludes and other things like that yet | 02:36 |
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| jsgotangco | brb | 03:04 |
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| mdke | jdub, poke? | 05:57 |
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| Burgwork | somebody pinged me? | 06:17 |
| Kinnison | well, about eight hours ago, jjesse mentioned you | 06:18 |
| Kinnison | dunno if that counts as a pinging | 06:18 |
| Burgwork | ah, ok | 06:18 |
| Burgwork | how are you KingBahamut | 06:19 |
| Burgwork | Kinnison, | 06:19 |
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| === Kinnison is well, thanks | ||
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| Burgwork | mdke, hmm? got no internet at home, so not much Ubuntu work recently | 06:43 |
| mdke | bummer | 06:44 |
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| Burgwork | going to be sorting that out today | 06:48 |
| mdke | jdub, 2 things | 06:50 |
| mdke | jdub, first I was wondering about the status of start.ubuntu.com | 06:50 |
| mdke | if it's going to happen, I won't bother worrying about improving and translating the current browser homepage | 06:51 |
| jdub | ok, will give you status this week | 06:51 |
| mdke | second was, can you reply to my email about yelp customisations | 06:51 |
| jdub | hrm, can you send it again? | 06:51 |
| jdub | well, maybe i'm not the right person to talk to | 06:51 |
| mdke | jdub, sure | 06:51 |
| jdub | what was it about? | 06:51 |
| mdke | you remember we discussing giving the css some ubuntu theming? | 06:52 |
| jdub | yeah | 06:52 |
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| mdke | it was about whether those should be done for the human theme only, or more widely | 06:52 |
| jdub | hrm, how do you mean? | 06:53 |
| jdub | whether it should adapt to other theme colours, or...? | 06:53 |
| mdke | yelp currently gets its colours from whichever theme the user is using | 06:53 |
| mdke | it's not very aggressive about those, so we're just talking like text-highlighting and so on | 06:53 |
| mdke | a possibility would be to start including more brownness generally in the yelp css | 06:54 |
| mdke | the other possibility is to get yelp to be a bit more aggressive about using theme colours in things like links, headers etc | 06:55 |
| jdub | yeah | 06:55 |
| jdub | hrm | 06:55 |
| mdke | jdub, anyhow, I've resent the mail | 06:55 |
| jdub | so changing default.css wouldn't be problematic at all | 06:55 |
| jdub | but there is that weird interaction with themed colour usage | 06:55 |
| mdke | changing default.css has no effect afaik | 06:55 |
| mdke | it's all in the xsl templates | 06:55 |
| jdub | i *imagine* that gtkhtml would interpret the themed colours correctly | 06:56 |
| jdub | hrm | 06:56 |
| jdub | sec | 06:56 |
| jdub | yeah, okay | 06:56 |
| jdub | so look at yelp-common.xsl | 06:56 |
| mdke | yes | 06:56 |
| jdub | it does shit like this: | 06:57 |
| jdub | { color: </xsl:text> <xsl:value-of select="$yelp.color.gray.fg"/><xsl:text>; } | 06:57 |
| mdke | yes | 06:57 |
| mdke | the alternatives are: | 06:57 |
| jdub | so that's where we'd want to get all patchy wit' it | 06:57 |
| mdke | { color: #nice-ubuntu-color } | 06:57 |
| mdke | or | 06:57 |
| mdke | { color: blah blah yelp.color.bg } | 06:58 |
| jdub | or do more interesting colourisations with the theme colours... | 06:58 |
| mdke | so that it uses the theme background or something | 06:58 |
| jdub | let's call these option A and option B | 06:58 |
| mdke | ok | 06:58 |
| jdub | respectively ;) | 06:58 |
| jdub | option B definitely has a big advantage when it comes to accessibility and so on | 06:59 |
| jdub | and for those people who are brown-challenged | 06:59 |
| mdke | nod | 06:59 |
| mdke | also, we might be able to push something upstream, I think shaun hasn't given much love to the color scheme | 06:59 |
| jdub | though unless we are very careful, the help viewer will break really badly with stupid themes | 06:59 |
| mdke | yes, that might be why it is on the conservative side | 06:59 |
| jdub | hmm | 06:59 |
| jdub | i think i'd lean towards B | 07:00 |
| mdke | that's what I figured | 07:00 |
| jdub | bit toss in some transparent pngs of the ubuntu logo | 07:00 |
| jdub | like the one from ubuntu-artwork's gdm theme | 07:00 |
| jdub | s/bit/but/ | 07:00 |
| mdke | ooh interesting | 07:00 |
| mdke | as a fixed background you mean? | 07:00 |
| jdub | i mean, we can certainly tart up the html independently of getting the themed colours working better | 07:00 |
| jdub | oh, no, i more meant as a header bar or something | 07:01 |
| mdke | i don't know how to do that via pure css | 07:01 |
| jdub | though you could have a fixed position bar at navigation bar at the top of the help browser | 07:01 |
| jdub | nothing's stopping us from diddling with the html :) | 07:02 |
| mdke | which html? | 07:02 |
| jdub | but yeah, we could get a bunch of this done with css alone | 07:02 |
| jdub | the html that the stylesheets spit out | 07:02 |
| mdke | hmm | 07:02 |
| jdub | it's not to hard to diddle with | 07:02 |
| jdub | too | 07:02 |
| mdke | yeah we might be able to knock something up | 07:02 |
| mdke | ok | 07:02 |
| mdke | i gtg home | 07:03 |
| mdke | I'll play around, and mail you some more | 07:03 |
| jdub | ok | 07:03 |
| jdub | happy to help with things where i can | 07:03 |
| mdke | thanks | 07:03 |
| jdub | and i can point you to more useful people if required ;) | 07:03 |
| mdke | ok, but you're a hard man to pin down | 07:04 |
| jdub | i'll be a bit easier until the 14th | 07:04 |
| jdub | when i'll be travelling again | 07:04 |
| jdub | going to OSWC and FOSDEM | 07:04 |
| mdke | ah ok | 07:04 |
| mdke | i'm off then, thanks | 07:05 |
| jdub | oh, well, your email covered most of that | 07:05 |
| jdub | ! | 07:05 |
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| mdke | jdub, ugh, using yelp.selected.bg is not really an option: the brown is not dark enough to work with text. Any idea if there are various shades of brown in the human theme? | 08:57 |
| mdke | http://mdke.org/images/selected.bg.png | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I thought there was an Ubuntu palette somewhere on the artwork site | 08:58 |
| mdke | LaserJock, problem is I'm trying to get the colors directly from the theme, rather than using fixed colors | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | ah, I see. BTW, it is too light | 08:59 |
| mdke | yes, quite | 08:59 |
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| mdke | aha | 09:03 |
| mdke | found something | 09:03 |
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| mdke | http://mdke.org/images/selected.dark2.png | 09:08 |
| mdke | that works rather well with various themes | 09:10 |
| manicka | nice | 09:11 |
| Burgwork | mdke, I like it | 09:12 |
| mdke | actually I see no reason why yelp upstream wouldn't use it | 09:13 |
| mdke | i'll get onto them | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | mdke: much easier on the eyes ;-) | 09:14 |
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