=== Snake__ is now known as Snake|Away === Snake|Away is now known as Snake|Sims2 === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.35] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-252.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-149-187.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Snake|Sims2 is now known as Snake__ === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:56] jsgotangco: sorry, i should ping you here :) [02:56] heh === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:57] jsgotangco: if you had to write a how-to create docs for doc-team... what would you say the only basic tags are to learn? === mhz knows his english is crappy these days [02:58] basic docbook tags? [02:58] well the styleguide is a good place to add those [02:58] and eventually the styleguide becomes a doc guide [02:58] me and jeff schering discussed about it before [02:58] I use screen orderedlist application and filename a lot [02:59] orderedlist mostly === robotgeek is copy pasting mostly [03:00] hmmm [03:01] robotgeek, as long as its well formed and valid heh [03:02] jsgotangco: yeah, i am still editing ubuntu desktop guide :) === mhz was thinking a good idea would be to have short 3 or 5 pages doc where readers can easily start making docs using tags in a 'way' doc-team needs. This way, after only 3 or 5 pages he's ready to start in action and slowly add more tags/style based on deeper guides [03:03] http://robotgeek.no-ip.info/KubuntuDesktopGuide/ is the cheap html preview [03:03] example: the following is a basic doc (considering tags) template for you to follow === mhz opening tab [03:06] everyone should expect a bunch of patches tommorow :) [03:07] yeah that's no problem as long as *somone* replies that the patch has been applied [03:09] jsgotangco: i just sent in a email to the list regarding a patch which bur[n] er sent, basically not to apply it [03:10] i tried it failed [03:10] hmm, that's weird, cause i was able to apply it with (patch -p0 < patchfile) [03:14] well i haven't committed anyway patch away :) [03:14] jsgotangco: i think jjesse missed 2 patches [03:15] where? [03:15] i'll patch it now [03:15] in my tar.gz, i dunno if he had somethine else in mind === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:15] hmm i'll check again [03:15] what specific patches? [03:15] new_menus.patch is what he missed [03:16] global.ent.patch is a patch adding a link for kubuntu-support [03:16] ahhh [03:17] ok i'll check on it now === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:37] howdy Madpilot [03:37] hi robotgeek [03:42] hi Madpilot [03:42] hi LaserJock [03:43] hey LaserJock [03:44] hi robotgeek [03:44] heh, long list of hey's and hi, always good === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-176.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:28] *yawns* [04:28] no yawning [04:30] jjesse: why not [04:31] cause it reminds me that i'm tired and should go to bed, instead of working on kubuntu stuff [04:31] jjesse: haha, what time is it there? [04:31] (wherever you are...) [04:32] almost 11pm, i'm in michigan united states, however it's been a long day, up at 6am [04:32] jjesse: meh come on, im ohio here, and im up at 5:30 am, you can make it :P [04:32] where bouts in ohio? [04:32] i'm in grand rapids Mi [04:33] Eastlake, up near cleveland [04:33] oh i've heard of it [04:33] Wow, im surprised :) [04:33] I didnt think its a famous as it seems to be [04:33] lol [04:33] my dad's family is from elyria [04:33] Ah, that place is nice [04:33] and i've been to cleveland several times [04:33] avon lake as well [04:34] hey jsgotangco [04:34] damn i am tired, i meant "hi jjesse " [04:35] wb robotgeek [04:35] hiya robotgeek [04:35] jjesse: did you miss 2 patches? or not apply them for some reason? [04:35] hmm must have missed two.. i can take care of them in the monring [04:36] jsgotangco is looking at them, so don't bother [04:36] jjesse: you must be busy, applying all this stuff between the 3 of you (I think theres only 3 right?) [04:36] jjesse: i have been managing a mini svn here, 3 ppl working on the same chapter :) [04:37] that have svn access or just do kubuntu docs? [04:37] there are lots that have svn access, just some of us hang out more in the channel [04:37] well majority of those with svn access are not active anymore [04:37] but sometimes make a fix or two [04:38] jsgotangco: sorry bout not posting to the mailing list, sent a note on the channel instaed, was busy at work [04:38] Oh okay [04:38] jjesse, its ok :) [04:38] hmmm what other applications should i talk about in my chapter :( [04:38] is this for the official book? [04:38] yup [04:38] jjesse: what chapter? [04:38] nice [04:39] do you work with a DE? [04:39] (developmental editor) [04:39] yeah i need to submit my first draft on friday morning [04:39] heh [04:39] deja vu [04:39] i think Burgwork has his in already cause he got a head start :) [04:39] i'm late to the game [04:39] yeah DEs can be so demanding [04:40] when you start writing a book, you get a whole new perspective of how its being done [04:40] i know and i'm only writing a chapter [04:40] lol [04:40] so, are most of the docteam writers? [04:40] i'm not a writer by proffession robotgeek [04:40] same here [04:40] i just do it in my "spare" time [04:41] hmm, okay. [04:41] for a job i'm a windows network administrator [04:41] even spare time can be frustrating [04:41] jjesse: wwwinnddooowwwsss [04:41] MSCE will get no where near my name [04:41] sometimes your mind goes blank and can't write [04:41] MCSE* Whatever [04:41] jsgotangco: happened to me when i was writing my thesis [04:41] MSCE [04:41] I thought so :) [04:41] Snake__, it's jjesse 's money maker at the moment so... [04:41] nothing wrong with it [04:42] microsoft certieifed systems engineer [04:42] Yea [04:42] MCSE Thats what I thought [04:42] jjesse: oh ok. i thought the middle 2 wre the other way around o_0 [04:42] i used to admin a lot of win2k3 servers too [04:42] till i left that job [04:42] heh [04:42] win2k3 are a lot easier to admin then either an NT or 2000 box ever was [04:42] now i'm clueless on windows servers [04:42] yeah === robotgeek was adminning debian server in his lab [04:42] minesweeper consultant/solitare expert ... and i still cant remember the letters :$ [04:43] oh i run a debian server as well === bur[n] er is a windows network admin for a job :) [04:43] NO UBUNTU? [04:43] beside my boxes nope === Snake__ shakes his head MCP will not be related with my name [04:43] lol === jsgotangco shows jjesse fancy kungfu moves [04:43] hmm, it's a sparc [04:43] jjesse: exchange 11 sp1 is still as ugly as ever ;) [04:43] debian serve was running before kubuntu [04:43] I want to go for CCNA, and CCNP [04:43] never change anything that works well :_) [04:43] bur[n] er: no doubt, i'm still a little upset that exchange 12 will be only 64 bit [04:44] ccna is tough, i missed it by one question last time i took it [04:44] Snake__: if you are looking for a cisco job get certified in telephony === robotgeek will probably take a Linux certification thingie soon [04:44] yeah [04:44] and if you are yung enough, skip the ccna ccnp and go right for the big dog [04:44] jjesse: I had a cisco rep say he would refer me, and probly get in into a school because he was impressed at my knowledge lol [04:45] telephony is the way to go [04:45] jjesse: only 16, is that young enough? [04:45] :) [04:45] it will take about 5 years to get the big dog, the CCIE, 100k/year pretty much guarenteed [04:45] i don't know jack squat about cisco stuff [04:46] and the CCIE is the only cert that you don't have renew all the time [04:46] same here === jsgotangco just slacks [04:46] jjesse: but wouldn't I need to go through the levels? [04:46] CCNA, CCNP, CCIE [04:46] not neccessary [04:46] i know someone that weent from no cert to ccie after 5 years of studying [04:47] hmmm [04:47] Ill have to look into that [04:47] but along the way you can almost ace the tests for the other certs === bur[n] er works certificate-less [04:47] bur[n] er: your runnin 2k3 servers without certs? [04:48] ? [04:48] bur[n] er nod don't have to have a cert to get a job [04:48] im pretty much comfortable to where i am now [04:48] just have to be good [04:48] Certainly not for a big company... [04:48] Snake__: running, specing, purchasing, installing, yes :) [04:48] bur[n] er: did you have a friend that got you in?? === bur[n] er works for a consulting company to many businesses too big to manage IT, but too small to have a full time IT staff [04:49] Snake__: no, just started doing it ;) [04:49] jjesse, do you read sounder? [04:49] Weird... lol, around here they wouldn't even let me work on a machine at a mom and pop store despite me outsmarting them >10 times and fixing 3 of their machines w/o pay [04:49] lol [04:50] jsgotangco: nope should I ? [04:50] Snake__: it helps that I'm not a teenager ;) [04:50] jjesse, mark suggested a doc sprint in london late march [04:50] i'm already on like 5 different *ubuntu docs [04:50] bur[n] er: yea I guess so :P [04:50] people assume I have a masters or something... i never correct them ;) [04:50] bur[n] er: heh [04:50] hmmm that would be nice, no money for travel though [04:51] bur[n] er: I'm not aroggant with it, but ill correct people if they cant fix something [04:51] jjesse, he's willing to pay though, but that's just his suggestion no concrete details yet [04:51] and it conflicts with our freeze [04:51] then i'll schedule my vacation :) [04:51] doh [04:51] Man im so sore...must do 19 more pushups!! [04:51] hmm for dapper we getting quickguide, about-kubuntu and releasenotes correct? [04:51] is anyone tackling xubuntu documentation at all? [04:52] cause releasenotes and about-kubuntu are up to date [04:52] robotgeek is tackling desktop guide but hmmm [04:52] let me and so is Snake__ and bur[n] er === robotgeek is typoing badly today [04:52] i'll think riddell is packaging quickguide, should i have him package desktopguide instead? [04:52] anyone want to do then next 15 for me? [04:52] lol [04:53] bur[n] er: come here and do 15 more pushups for me...i cant go down again :( [04:53] nahh desktop guide isn't that hot yet [04:53] quickguide is still more appropriate for now [04:53] do you have quickguide current for dapper? [04:53] almost [04:53] ive edited the menu [04:53] but have to add updated shots [04:54] shouldnt be difficult for this weekend [04:54] i poked riddell to get the stylesheet applied to the quickguide [04:54] yeah [04:54] so it will look like release notes [04:54] yeah that would be better [04:54] DONE Ohhh thank god. [04:55] ive removed references saying its a draft doc === Snake__ finally gets to sit :D [04:55] and update the menus [04:55] not that much changes just need to update the text too [04:55] and better screenshots [04:56] nice i think that once i get the chapter done i'll be back to hacking away at docs, riddell wants me to get the adept guide done [04:56] and uploaded to kde docs [04:56] as adept is now included in sarge [04:56] jjesse: heh, i'll be referencing it quite a bit [04:56] sarge? [04:56] really? [04:56] debian [04:56] that's what i heard [04:56] you sure its in sarge? [04:56] its upstream [04:56] hmmm do [04:57] doh, whats the testing one called [04:57] i would expect it to be in sid [04:57] got them confused [04:57] stupdi me [04:57] etch? [04:57] robotgeek: did we just add games to the kubuntuguide? === jjesse slaps head [04:57] sid [04:57] sid is your experimental [04:57] sid == unstable [04:57] yeah [04:57] experimental == experimental ;) [04:57] Snake__: no, no one did. i tht you were taking it up [04:57] etch == testing and sarge == stable and woody == old ;) [04:58] robotgeek: I am, but I was looking for some refrences I can go off of [04:58] etch is supposed to come late this year but that's wishful thinking [04:58] Snake__: try the ubuntu guide ;) [04:58] bur[n] er: ah good it is here [04:58] THEY GOT FROZEN BUBBLE!! [04:58] YES!! [04:58] :) [04:58] the docs aren't even in dapper :( === Snake__ is a happy camper [04:59] not yet [04:59] its ok [04:59] flight 4 [04:59] :) [04:59] this week [04:59] robotgeek: i'm just going to take what the ubuntu guide has, and expand on it, that okay? === jsgotangco goes to kitchen for some fruits [04:59] expand and customize to kubuntu [05:01] hmm how wierd is this, i'm running windows xp on my laptop, using vm player to run dapper which i'm current in and conntect via krdc to a windows 2000 professional box [05:01] Snake__: sure [05:01] jjesse, evil [05:01] robotgeek: aight [05:03] mdke: can you change the link to quickguide on d.u.c it currenlty is looking for kquickguide-web instead of quickguide-web === jsgotangco looks for his d.u.c. ssh account [05:04] hmm wait isn't that in svn ? [05:05] yeah changing now [05:05] jsgotangco: just change sidebar.inc.php, not on box w/ svn access [05:05] how do we generate those nice preview pages, with status ? use the make file? [05:05] don't they get built automatically? [05:06] there's a cron job [05:06] jjesse: i havent used the make file yet [05:06] the preview pages on d.u.c ?? or local preview pages? [05:06] d.u.c. [05:07] Hey I assume you guys know kate pretty well? [05:07] maybe? [05:07] robotgeek: which were you asking about? [05:07] jjesse: i meant the ones locally [05:07] /ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/Makefile? [05:08] jjesse, done [05:08] help please? [05:08] Snake__ what do you need help w/ in kate? [05:08] Is there a way to get 2 terminals in kate? [05:09] never tried === jsgotangco doesn't use kate [05:09] :( [05:09] I would like to irssi from inside to save resources [05:10] jjesse, d.u.c. is pretty updated it already reflected my changes a few days ago [05:10] yeah i noticed that it keeps quite current, i point people there from #kubuntu all the time when they want to know what is in dapper [05:11] i should start deleting irrelevant entries [05:11] and images === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:12] heh let me lock down d.u.c. first its showing too much info [05:14] *sigh* [05:14] Snake__: learn how to use screen, one terminal for everything :) [05:15] robotgeek: I know how to use screen...ah crap im so retarted [05:15] lol [05:15] I never think outside the box [05:16] i couldnt find my account [05:16] grr === robotgeek screams "my patch my patch!" [05:18] mdke, when you come online can you send me the username/pass of the d.u.c. server you sent to me a while back i couldn't find the one that you send me in my email anymore if or if its already disabled, can you create a new acocunt for me i want to lockdown apache [05:18] robotgeek: ? [05:18] mdke, and some other mad server settings [05:19] mdke, sudo access as well [05:19] mdke, don't worry i won't rm -rf it :) [05:19] hmmmmm [05:19] Snake__: i was hoping jsgotangco would commit the patch === Snake__ wonder how he would quit screen now without exiting irssi [05:19] lol [05:19] Snake__: did you not start irssi in the screen? [05:19] i haven't reviewed the patch [05:19] hold on [05:20] robotgeek: its in the screen, but I only have on screen, I need 2 === jsgotangco is currently at work but about to take his break [05:20] I can switch between 2 screens when I only have 1 open [05:20] cant** [05:21] Snake__: then you don't know how to use screen :) + c [05:22] robotgeek: I can use screen :( Exit konsole, when you irssi back up, screen -r :P [05:22] ok bed time [05:23] night jsgotangco [05:23] ugh [05:23] jjesse: night [05:23] Snake__: hmm, you can have 2 screens [05:23] night jjesse , i think i'll join you as soon as i setup a few things [05:23] robotgeek: im lookin for a howto now :) [05:23] robotgeek: do you think my wife will be jealous? [05:24] jjesse: what, that your giving more time to ubuntu than her? [05:24] jjesse: heh, i meant in the act, not in bed :) [05:24] lol [05:24] OH MY GOD I DIDNT CATCH THAT [05:24] ROFL! [05:25] woo crap I could use some sleep too === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-176.async.iserv.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [05:29] Snake__: you really can "man screen" and it'll tell ya [05:31] bur[n] er: i got it [05:34] screen is really useful [05:34] ctrl-a ? [05:34] heh [05:34] i mapped to ctl + z [05:35] who says you cant multitask on console [05:35] heh [05:35] lol [05:35] how do i switch screens, is ctl a the only way? [05:35] who needs a ide, lol [05:35] aww crap jj left [05:36] Snake__: ctl + a, space, p n [05:36] numbers all work :) [05:36] and a switches back adn forth [05:37] everytime I press ctrl a the screens cycle throught like their crazy....not really much of a chance to choose what screen i wanna go to [05:37] don't hold it ;) [05:37] bur[n] er: what do you mean [05:38] Snake__: just do ctrl - a , then space [05:38] Snake__: just play... nevermind ;) [05:38] WOW [05:38] thats amazing [05:38] heh [05:38] lol [05:38] what's not amazing is nautilus crashing on sftp:// connections to a freesshd windows host :\ [05:39] heh, bur[n] er use lftp :) [05:39] i want a drag/drop gui [05:39] and i just want to open remote files, edit them, save them, without copying it locally [05:40] konq works :) [05:41] scp? [05:42] sftp:// via konq [05:42] same idea [05:42] not sure why I use sftp instead of fish, i just do ;) [05:42] i work remotely most of the time then i scp a server from au to a server in LA [05:43] now *thats* intercontinental [05:45] jeeezz i just finished a half pound of grapes [05:45] whoa...long time since i ate grapes === jsgotangco is doing the vegan thing [05:46] well not too vegan [05:46] i still like my leather :) [05:46] heh [05:47] i am doing the non-vegan thing :) [05:47] i sure miss a big mac though sometimes [05:47] i don't eat beef, only chicken :) [05:48] its that religion-based? [05:49] it was [05:49] not eating meat [05:49] not eating beef is a matter of taste [05:49] vegan for 22 years of my life [05:50] well i understand most indian cultures do that [05:50] yup, pretty common === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Snake__ is now known as Snake|Sleeping === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:57] jsgotangco, eh, lockdown apache? [08:58] ok lockdown isn't the correct term :) [08:58] what do you want to do? [08:58] sex it up so it doesn't show that much info [08:58] you can do it if you want to [08:59] i'm looking for your account [08:59] hmm [08:59] you don't have one, I'll make it [09:00] what username? [09:00] jgotangco would do === mdke can't be bothered reading the scrollback [09:08] what did I miss? [09:09] what do you think of this distro srpint in london [09:09] that sabdfl thought of [09:09] which one? [09:10] sounder === mdke looks [09:10] argh [09:11] its not in stone yet though, just a random thought from his brain [09:11] ok, i don't understand a word of the first post [09:11] reading marks' now [09:12] nice thought, the problem is that very few of us can probably spare the time off [09:12] and as you say, it is a bit late in the game [09:13] geez, I miss a lot by not reading sounder [09:15] ok i'm off to work [09:27] mdke: ping [09:34] Morning [09:46] mdke is that any thing to do with mandrake ? === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mkde [n=matt@mailgate.20essexst.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:42] hmm.. what did I start on the list? [10:44] the website thread? [10:44] I mentioned the web site, then seveas went with it then there was like 20 emails [10:45] :) [10:46] hmm, 715 new emails [10:47] I haven't checked that on my main pc for two days :( === robotgeek doesn't know which list it is, heh [10:47] lol [10:47] robotgeek, sounder [10:47] the sprint sounds like a good idea, as long as people could get time off [10:48] sure [10:48] but its too soon [10:48] for dapper? [10:49] not to mention we're almost on freeze during that time [10:49] it should be sooner [10:49] heh [10:49] end of march would be freeze, thats still almost 2 months away [10:50] i dunno its too soon but if its to plan for dapper +1 that would be too early [10:51] to plan for dapper +1 yeah, it should happen just after dapper is released [10:51] but if the aim is to get the docs sorted for dapper itself, now would be good [10:52] still a little bit of time left, although I'm picturing a week long sprint [10:52] you interested? [10:52]