[12:21] <blackmanda> Ciao 
[12:21] <blackmanda> Hello...
[12:22] <blackmanda> Somebody can help me with my new Kubuntu installation??
[05:02] <MarioMeyer_> Riddell, ping
[01:01] <JaneW> hello
[01:01] <kjcole> hi
[01:01] <licio> hi
[01:01] <flint_> good morning jane, nice reporting from the sprint.  
[01:02] <jsgotangco> cheers
[01:02] <kjcole> flint, suck  up.
[01:02] <JaneW> flint_: thanks
[01:02] <JaneW> I had to get creative
[01:02] <flint_> I have coffee today kevin, and I am a suck up!
[01:02] <flint_> :^)
[01:02] <JaneW> there are only so many ways to say 'everyone threw up today' ;)
[01:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:03] <flint_> yea that was interesting... still haven't talked to matt was he sick?
[01:03] <ogra> say "kate moss wednesday" 
[01:03] <jsgotangco> food poisoning can be bad
[01:03] <JaneW> Wednesday was the worst of it
[01:03] <ajmitch_> JaneW: sounds like the aftermath of linux.conf.au :)
[01:03] <JaneW> yes Matt was sick
[01:03] <kjcole> ogra,  ouch!  harsh.  ;-)
[01:03] <flint_> ubuntu sprints on its stomach....
[01:03] <JaneW> it was more a virus than food poisoning I think
[01:04] <jsgotangco> at least it wasnt the distro sprint of doom
[01:04] <ogra> kjcole, but matches somehow ;)
[01:04] <jsgotangco> only death
[01:04] <jsgotangco> =)
[01:04] <JaneW> well I am calling it the Gastro Sprint now ;)
[01:04] <ajmitch_> yes, LCA had the linux virus of doom striking down attendees
[01:04] <JaneW> ok are we all here?
[01:04] <jsgotangco> gastro sprint ewww
[01:04] <JaneW> ajmitch_: :/
[01:04] <flint_> ogra, ollie i got a flight3 install questioin swtiching channels...
[01:04] <ogra> is highvoltage around for website stuff ? 
[01:05] <mhz> hi all
[01:05] <ogra> flint_, i answered it yesterday
[01:05] <JaneW> is jelkner planning to attend?
[01:05] <JaneW> I think he wanted to go first again today?
[01:05] <kjcole> no jelkner...
[01:05] <ogra> flint_, but feel free to ask again ;)
[01:05] <JaneW> kjcole: you wanna do it
[01:05] <flint_> ogra, on the irc?
[01:05] <ogra> yes
[01:05] <JaneW> hi hno73 
[01:05] <jsgotangco> heh mark suggested a docteam sprint in london...that can be scary
[01:06] <kjcole> hold a sec
[01:06] <JaneW> jsgotangco: brace yourself!
[01:06] <JaneW> highvoltage: you here?
[01:06] <hno73> hi JaneW
[01:06] <JaneW> we need to make web decisions today - or at least confirm them
[01:06] <jsgotangco> henrik!
[01:07] <hno73> jsgotangco: ! (sorry I was away friday)
[01:07] <JaneW> ok who has updates for me?
[01:07] <kjcole> I'll be brief. 
[01:07] <flint_> I am supposed to be standing in for Jeffster...
[01:07] <flint_> kevin should report.
[01:08] <ogra> ltsp had 36 code commits since last week ... we support a lot more options now (serial mice, 16Bit graphics cards etc) and i did a lot of fixes ...
[01:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: great thanks :)
[01:08] <jsgotangco> serial finally got tested?
[01:08] <JaneW> belated Hi mhz
[01:08] <ogra> i'm just starting to prepare for flight 4, testing and feedback before would be fine ...
[01:09] <mhz> ;)
[01:09] <kjcole> Not a lot to report, actually.  Working with a lore developer, we now have an indexing system (or the beginnings of one)
[01:09] <JaneW> yes ogra was busy last week
[01:09] <JaneW> (and not just drinking) ;)
[01:09] <JaneW> ogra: does flight 4 have a date yet?
[01:09] <jsgotangco> yeah right he's caught on camera with a bottle of bourbon or something..
[01:09] <JaneW>  I haven't heard...
[01:09] <ogra> additionally i have a good bunch of code offered by the debian ltsp team ... i'm currently reviewing their patches#
[01:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yup ;)
[01:10] <ogra> JaneW, filght CDs never have a date ... only a rough "this week" 
[01:10] <ogra> it depends on the bugs we find during building the CDs :)
[01:10] <kjcole> I just secured some space at my school where we can set up a Dapper Edubuntu "lab" and work from that to get a real feel for how it all fits together.
[01:10] <ogra> thats why testing *before* is so important
[01:11] <ogra> (which nobody but me is doing normally :( )
[01:11] <ogra> yay !
[01:11] <flint_> ogra, ollie you seem to be on a workstation binge.  Anything you are working on the server side?
[01:12] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you are great!
[01:12] <JaneW> thanks
[01:12] <mhz> ogra: I do apologize for not being helpfull at all in this testings but I have almost no hardware where i can test now
[01:12] <JaneW> ogra: right but as the magic date gets near it becomes apparent, no?
[01:12] <kjcole> mhz will be pleased to know that jelkner has "seen the light" and we're trying to keep something on the wiki in parallel with our docs.
[01:12] <flint_> ogra, The Veromont testing facility is spooling up to speed.
[01:12] <ogra> cool :)
[01:12] <ogra> mhz, you do enough ... i only want people with decent bandwith to be testers
[01:13] <kjcole> Bad news: We don't think we'll have something mid-april.  Shortly thereafter, is jelkner's prediction.
[01:13] <jsgotangco> its ok
[01:13] <flint_> ogra, I will be sending you a copy of the Vermont Lab facility documentation when complete.
[01:14] <ogra> flint_, great :)
[01:14] <mhz> ogra: good potential news is that on friday/monday I should have a definit answer wether I have at least a 5 pc lab and one server to test Edubuntu whatever and invite teachers to it, to give us feedback on monthly basis :D
[01:14] <ogra> kjcole, the #edubuntu channel is grown a bit recently ... probably you can recruit more people there
[01:15] <jsgotangco> i notice a trend on #edubuntu though, a lot of people ask about desktop apps rather than server
[01:15] <jsgotangco> just today i had 3 random people asking
[01:15] <kjcole> We're looking at qemu as a possible screen-capture mechanism (among other things).
[01:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes
[01:16] <jsgotangco> kjcole, imagemagick can't do enough for app-specific sceencaps?
[01:16] <kjcole> A lot of my week has been LoCo-related and getting space for the lab.
[01:16] <mhz> jsgotangco: yup, seen that too. And in #edubuntu-es.. many users show up just for 'ubuntu-stuff' rlated issues :(
[01:17] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:17] <ogra> mhz, point them to #ubuntu
[01:17] <kjcole> jsgotangco, we're hoping for screen captures from the get-go: The splash screen, and at least some of the install screens that are Edubuntu specific -- LTSP NG DHCP config etc. 
[01:17] <jsgotangco> mostly newbies though, lots of patience needed
[01:17] <jsgotangco> kjcole, qemu =)
[01:17] <jsgotangco> VMWare GSX Server =)
[01:17] <mhz> ogra: they usually come from #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es
[01:18] <ogra> mhz, but #edubuntu(-es) is not for general #ubuntu stuff 
[01:18] <JaneW> kjcole: we really need a cook book for 6.04 - even if it's lean
[01:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:18] <JaneW> kjcole: we missed it for 5.10 which was dissapointing
[01:18] <ogra> mhz, we support the edu apps and ltsp in #edubuntu ...
[01:18] <kjcole> Will inform jelkner
[01:18] <JaneW> is there no way we can get ppl to collaborate with you?
[01:19] <JaneW> it's the one thing ppl would like to help with
[01:19] <mhz> ogra: heheh, yeah, but 2 users who usually help on little edubuntu stuff (testing, mainly) have complained that if nobody is talking, why not give help on ubuntu topics in the mean time :(
[01:19] <JaneW> I know you guys are aiming for perfection, but I;d be happy with 'good enough' - on time
[01:19] <JaneW> no pressure ;)
[01:20] <jsgotangco> at least something to review
[01:20] <jsgotangco> :)
[01:20] <mhz> ogra: edubuntu-es is usually 4 people and 3 or 5 more that come twice a week
[01:20] <mhz> hence the urgent need of "the tour" idea :)
[01:20] <mhz> urgent = maybe not
[01:21] <jsgotangco> mhz, i think ES is your sphere of expertise, you are very much authoritative to decide on what's best
[01:21] <flint_> mhz, I have never been on ubuntu-es what is so special?
[01:22] <flint_> mhz, i ment edubuntu-es...
[01:22] <mhz> jsgotangco: maybe yes that's why before scaring or inviting people go somewhere else, I usally take some vitamin C and patience and let them ask ooftopics :)
[01:22] <spacey__> hi
[01:23] <mhz> flint_: oh, just supposed to be another channel but for edubuntu users/admins needing support and help
[01:23] <flint_> oh, ok.
[01:23] <mhz> ogra: good thing is there are many people subsrcibed to ML (weired)
[01:24] <flint_> JaneW, maybe we need a docsprint.  we writers want to get wretching sick from hotel food...
[01:24] <flint_> :^)
[01:24] <mhz> lol
[01:24] <JaneW> heh
[01:24] <JaneW> so what's the plans for the next week?
[01:24] <jsgotangco> flint_, you'll probably get your wish by the end of march if things go well
[01:24] <JaneW> also where is highvoltage ?
[01:24] <flint_> JaneW, you would be invited to bring your world famous collection of beadpans!
[01:25] <kjcole> JaneW, I'm not opposed to the idea...  I've been following jelkner's lead, since he'd published a book and I haven't. 
[01:26] <flint_> kjcole, "those who cannot do...teach"
[01:26] <spacey__> sorry for being late, but was there a list of documentation missing? last week was noted that such a list would be avail this week. ?
[01:26] <JaneW> flint_: I supply Amarula to those that behave....http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1789
[01:27] <kjcole> Also, there was the business of choosing Twisted Lore over Docbook or wiki, though as I say, he's now been convinced to at least start using the wiki for collaboration.
[01:27] <jsgotangco> amarula?
[01:27] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[01:28] <flint_> that is a great shot of ollie hunched over a keyboard...
[01:28] <jsgotangco> liquer or something...
[01:28] <kjcole> Jeff put an outline in place of what was on the wiki before and we're hoping to add to that this week from our Lore docs.
[01:29] <JaneW> kjcole: think we can get it done somehow?
[01:29] <mhz> kjcole: flint_: I am collecting pieces of info because if all my plans go well, in May I'll start a book about Edubuntu
[01:29] <mhz> and obvioulsy reinventinn the wheel is my worst option
[01:29] <flint_> JaneW, ever do a project plam?
[01:30] <flint_> mhz, is this stuff up on the docbox yet?
[01:30] <JaneW> flint_: sure, they are most ignored
[01:30] <flint_> mhz, you have an account.
[01:30] <JaneW> flint_: at best they are snap shots in this non-conformist community
[01:30] <flint_> JaneW, you never send me your project plans... I am hurt!
[01:31] <jsgotangco> bzr..*cough*
[01:31] <flint_> I read science fiction avidly
[01:31] <mhz> flint_: can we have a short 'let's talk' after meeting in #edubuntu, with coffee on table?
[01:31] <kjcole> JaneW, Dunno.  I've not done any collaborative work before.  I'll try to get jelkner et al onto #edubuntu later today and see if we can speed things up.
[01:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: you mean ! :D
[01:31] <flint_> I have a window up for both you and ollie...
[01:32] <JaneW> kjcole: I realise it's putting pressure on you, but we can give you more ppl, will you talk to jelkner about the first edition not needing to be PERFECT (not that we'd mind if it is) ;)
[01:34] <flint_> JaneW, you know I would never defend these two if I did not see their problem.  The issue here is the classic infastructure one of women months and babies. Get it?
[01:34] <kjcole> JaneW, understood.
[01:34] <flint_> you cannot add more women and get the baby faster than 9 months.
[01:35] <flint_> the reason I thought project plan was to get some subtask milestones to shoot at.
[01:35] <jsgotangco> huh?
[01:35] <mhz> kjcole: _o/   \o/    \o_     (a cheering you!  based on CC meetings) 
[01:35] <flint_> a project plan is sort of like kicking the mother to induce premature birth...
[01:36] <flint_> saves you a month but is tough on the baby :^
[01:36] <jsgotangco> why was it not raised from the start?
[01:37] <kjcole> There's also the issue of documenting something that's a moving target.  (It would be nice to document what Edubuntu WILL be in April, rather than what it WAS in October or MIGHT be.)
[01:37] <flint_> jsgotangco, hindsight is 20/20, this enterprise is geared to hacking software, not writing books.  The infastructure for hacing code (eg bzr) is in place.  Does this work for books? 
[01:37] <kjcole> However, I realize that it's probably reasonably settled now and from Flight whatever we should be working with something close to the finished look and feel...
[01:37] <jsgotangco> it works for the docteam surely
[01:38] <kjcole> There is that.
[01:38] <flint_> what kevin and jeff ( and maybe me) have been involved with has been forging the tools to write the book.
[01:38] <mhz> kjcole: but if we can get something done based on breezy, in a couple of weeks we could have dapper ready
[01:38] <JaneW> flint_: what kind of subtasks you looking for?
[01:38] <mhz> (even after release)
[01:38] <jsgotangco> we've relesed preview docs since flight 2
[01:38] <JaneW> flint_: if you are refering to the cook book, that was left up to Msrs Elkner and Cole to handle
[01:38] <flint_> JaneW, you and I have got to fight that out offline...
[01:39] <flint_> JaneW, they are doing it, I bear witness to that.  are they moving as fast as the developers? nah.
[01:39] <JaneW> ok highvoltage is still not here, but we have discussed the option of using MoinMoin for the whole edubuntu site instead of Drupal
[01:39] <JaneW> mhz: what do you think of that?
[01:40] <kjcole> Mea (or whatever the Latin for "we" is) culpa.
[01:40] <flint_> as soon as they get a section done, (say the installation section) I read in your reports that there is a graphical user interface for dapper!!!!!
[01:40] <JaneW> hno73: thin we can call it decided now? (MoinMoin instead of drupal?)
[01:40] <JaneW> thin=think
[01:40] <flint_> JaneW, moinmoin drupal who cares that is not the book.
[01:41] <jsgotangco> go Moin
[01:41] <hno73> JaneW: I think so yes
[01:41] <jsgotangco> its pretty damn stable
[01:41] <mhz> JaneW: hehehe, I know Moin has some limitations (php can obvioulsy deal with much more "features" today) but I am not sure these limitations do affect edubuntu-gang purposes
[01:41] <jsgotangco> and we already got working proofs
[01:41] <freeflying> hno73: hi
[01:41] <mhz> JaneW: however, Moin 1.5 lets you do more stuff
[01:42] <jsgotangco> meh
[01:42] <hno73> the layout is quite flexible
[01:42] <hno73> hi freeflying :)
[01:42] <spacey__> possible to link the edubuntu site with all the other logins? launchpad/ubuntu wiki?
[01:42] <spacey__> think that is important criterium
[01:42] <flint_> spacey__, that would be the best!
[01:43] <hno73> spacey__: yes, that's possible
[01:43] <freeflying> hno73: I'd prepare using moinmoin for www.kubuntu.org.cn ,will u give me any advice?
[01:43] <mhz> JaneW: jsgotangco: however, I would not feel comfrotable if we dont see/test highvoltage efforts on drupal
[01:43] <spacey__> i think that is one of most important points at least
[01:43] <JaneW> mhz: are you willing to help us with Moin magic?
[01:44] <flint_> spacey__, this issue of namespace is an infastructure issue that mere writers should not be inconvienced by, and they currently are...
[01:44] <mhz> JaneW: OF COURSE!
[01:45] <hno73> freeflying: look at the 'balanced' themes here: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket 
[01:46] <mhz> jsgotangco: and yes, moin as 'loverl is a scary thought :D
[01:46] <hno73> they are nearly the same as the ubunt/kubuntu ones
[01:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:46] <hno73> (I should post some updates soon)
[01:46] <mhz> hno73: I downloaded balanced 2 days ago :D
[01:46] <freeflying> hno73: may we use the artwork of kubuntu ?
[01:46] <mhz> freeflying: yes, you can
[01:47] <JaneW> mhz: yay, that was the response I was HOPING FOR :)
[01:47] <mhz> ;p
[01:47] <JaneW> we have 12 mins left, is there anything else official to discuss?
[01:48] <hno73> mhz: I'll send you the latest copy of my theme (it's fairly stable now)
[01:48] <JaneW> does every/anyone want these meetings more structured?
[01:48] <mhz> hno73: I will email you about my questions.. yesterday the phone call was too long and after that I had to do other stuff
[01:48] <spacey__> that would be nice
[01:48] <jsgotangco> im cool with the current stuff
[01:48] <spacey__> structure
[01:48] <mhz> hno73: thx!
[01:48] <spacey__> but i really missed that part on missing documentation?
[01:48] <flint_> JaneW, we have the doc section and the programming section.
[01:48] <ogra> JaneW, just going back to the structure we once had would already suffice
[01:48] <mhz> hno73: and one of the topics is I do want to make a CSS for a11y
[01:49] <ogra> we once had structure
[01:49] <ogra> it just vanished over the last meetings
[01:49] <mhz> hno73: so, edubuntu users could choose a11y theme if needed
[01:49] <hno73> mhz: I pretty much have that complete, just need to sort out some javascript magic for switching
[01:50] <mhz> JaneW: so basically your idea is I help hno73 i guess?
[01:50] <flint_> ogra, I think the structure comes from the participants, elkner helps a lot to keep me in check :^)
[01:50] <mhz> JaneW: and what will happen to highvoltage's efforts on drupal? lost?
[01:50] <JaneW> ogra: I agree, I would prefer to handle the tech side first..
[01:50] <hno73> mhz: or rather that I help you :)
[01:50] <ogra> flint_, we started off with a clear structure who speaks when ...
[01:50] <JaneW> but jelkner normally attends for 15 mins or so and wants to talk docs
[01:50] <ogra> that disappeared
[01:51] <mhz> JaneW: yes, I liked your 'structure'  for metings
[01:51] <JaneW> the trouble is the docs stuff tends to ramble
[01:51] <flint_> ogra: janew: elkner indicated he could not be here he will be back.
[01:51] <mhz> hno73: we help each other :D
[01:51] <JaneW> let's agree for next week we go back to the original
[01:51] <ogra> yes
[01:51] <JaneW> Tech progress and calls for testing etc
[01:51] <JaneW> the Docs progress and calls for help
[01:52] <JaneW> then Artwork update and calls for help 
[01:52] <JaneW> etc
[01:52] <ogra> we can shuffle around the bits, but keep a bit of dicipline 
[01:52] <JaneW> yes agreed
[01:52] <flint_> I would like to throw the floor open to nominate a dominatrix.
[01:52] <ogra> (phew, that sounds so german)
[01:52] <JaneW> as I think we are getting limited benefit now
[01:52] <mhz> yes, structure!
[01:52] <mhz> +1
[01:52] <freeflying> hno73: how shall I configure moinmoin , and make it perform like www.ubuntu.com ?
[01:52] <JaneW> +++
[01:52] <mhz> ogra: we know you just can't help it :)
[01:52] <JaneW> freeflying: you going to help too?
[01:53] <freeflying> JaneW: I just want to host www.kubuntu.org.cn using moin
[01:53] <ogra> mhz, i'm the chaos in person ... 
[01:53] <hno73> freeflying: ubuntu.com uses mod_proxy to deal with heavy trafic, but that's a special case
[01:53] <jsgotangco> i'll email the list when the script for doc.ubuntu.com is done showing edubuntu-docs
[01:53] <ogra> its not my usual behavior to sound german
[01:53] <mhz> hno73: so you prefer email better than irc?
[01:53] <mhz> ogra: stop drinking then!
[01:53] <mhz> :D
[01:54] <ogra> heh
[01:54] <freeflying> hno73: I know about this
[01:54] <flint_> ogra, truth is you sound practically dutch most of the time :^)
[01:54] <hno73> freeflying: See http://www.theopencd.org/ for a site that uses moin to do pretty much the same thing
[01:54] <JaneW> ogra: when can we start drafting the edubuntu flight 4 announcement?
[01:54] <ogra> flint_, lol
[01:54] <hno73> mhz: yes please :)
[01:54] <JaneW> let's try to get it out quicker this time
[01:54] <ogra> JaneW, as soon as you like ...
[01:54] <flint_> mhz, lol
[01:54] <spacey__> hm, i'm off, bb
[01:55] <ogra> i bet there is a flight 4announcement for ubuntu prepared already
[01:55] <ogra> (a draft)
[01:55] <JaneW> ogra: ok I'll look for that
[01:55] <hno73> freeflying: if you email me on henrik@ubuntu.com I can send you my latest theme files and some suggestions
[01:55] <JaneW> can you send me notable edu progress and enhancements
[01:55] <flint_> JaneW, one proposal for structure would be to divide into three sections, software, documentation, and web.
[01:55] <mhz> hno73: no problem, I can do it and we can add 'urgent' when I need responses in a day time ?
[01:55] <freeflying> hno73: yep , just what I want , but how to configure moin 
[01:55] <ogra> JaneW, sure
[01:55] <JaneW> I'll tack it together and then we can edit finely together
[01:56] <mhz> JaneW: yes,m there is
[01:56] <ogra> freeflying, thats somehow offtopinc in a edubuntu meeting ...
[01:56] <freeflying> ogra: sorry
[01:56] <ogra> but i guess we're done anyway
[01:56] <jsgotangco> \o_ \o/  theopencd.org  \o/ _o/
[01:56] <ogra> so go ahead :)
[01:56] <JaneW> ogra: will the flight be out this week or next (your guestimate)
[01:56] <mhz> hno73: what if you upload the theme to wiki:HenrikOmma
[01:56] <hno73> freeflying: well, 'how to configure' is a big question. Do you want just the conf files, acl settings, a detailed tutorial?
[01:57] <ogra> JaneW, i guess weekendish
[01:57] <JaneW> ok
[01:57] <freeflying> ogra: after kubuntu.org.cn , we shall host edubuntu.org.cn
[01:57] <ogra> ah 
[01:57] <ogra> i didnt get that
[01:57] <hno73> freeflying: It's difficult to know what place you are starting from. Do you have moin set up for a start?
[01:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: at least I started translating some bits of tocd
[01:57] <jsgotangco> mhz, yay!
[01:57] <ogra> freeflying, then its on topic ;)
[01:57] <freeflying> hno73: I have setup moin  kubuntu.3322.org
[01:58] <freeflying> hno73: I have setup moin  http://kubuntu.3322.org
[01:58] <JaneW> ogra: ubuntu is planning to have flash intros will we just have a progress bar?
[01:58] <freeflying> hno73: so I want configure moin like  official website 
[01:58] <jsgotangco> flash?
[01:58] <flint_> JaneW, oh god please no flash!!!
[01:58] <kjcole> gotta  run...  i  hope some  of  us  be chatting  before next week.    will  try to set  something  up.
[01:59] <highvoltage> hi. sorry, i'm here
[01:59] <mhz> JaneW: one thing b4 you leave...
[01:59] <flint_> kjcole, good job, keep it up!
[01:59] <jsgotangco> flash?
[01:59] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: not as in macromedia, i presume
[01:59] <jsgotangco> jeezz i hope not!
[01:59] <hno73> freeflying: I see, that's already quite good. OK, I'll send you further instructions on email
[01:59] <mhz> JaneW: meeting minutes are sooooo hard to keep on current moin setup
[01:59] <flint_> ogra, if they put flash up on the web, you gotta rewrite in visual studio.  Any problems with that?
[01:59] <Kamion> flash> this is in the context of espresso (live installer), and it would be Flash 3 so that the free players can deal with it
[02:00] <flint_> :^)
[02:00] <mhz> JaneW: I'd love to see some solution proposals with hno73 
[02:00] <freeflying> hno73: thx
[02:00] <jsgotangco> Kamion, thanks for clearing that up
[02:00] <mhz> highvoltage: hey!!!
[02:00] <ogra> JaneW, lets have the same ubuntu has ... but as i said i wont focus on express ...
[02:00] <highvoltage> mhz: hi
[02:00] <ogra> my main target is the install CD, since thats what we'll have pressed
[02:00] <jsgotangco> hold on
[02:00] <flint_> highvoltage, good morning Jonathan!
[02:00] <highvoltage> hi flint!
[02:00] <jsgotangco> are we doing the livecd route?
[02:01] <ogra> nope
[02:01] <jsgotangco> ok
[02:01] <highvoltage> (got the name right again!)
[02:01] <mhz> ogra: JaneW: any news from designer work?
[02:01] <jsgotangco> so no espresson
[02:01] <ogra> we'll have a live iso ...
[02:01] <highvoltage> ogra: so we'll have plain old d-i? yay!
[02:01] <flint_> highvoltage, I am practicing...
[02:01] <ogra> and it will have esporesso for the workstation install 
[02:01] <flint_> highvoltage, thanks.
[02:01] <ogra> highvoltage, the server part doesnt fit on the live CD 
[02:01] <highvoltage> ah, ok.
[02:01] <jsgotangco> \o_ \o/  edubuntu  \o/ _o/
[02:02] <ogra> the pressed CDs will be the install CDs ...
[02:02] <JaneW> mhz: feel free to abandon that format, bullets or wahtever works isfine
[02:02] <ogra> as long as we focus on ltsp and server stuff it will stay this way
[02:02] <freeflying> ogra: if you can provide us a well Chinese supportted livecd , it will be efficient promote edubuntu in china
[02:03] <ogra> freeflying, lets see ... i'm not sure we can fit this many languages on the live iso
[02:03] <mhz> JaneW: oh, okis
[02:03] <JaneW> ogra: I think the issue was that the flash stuff feature Ubuntu so wouldn;t really go with edubuntu - what do you think?
[02:03] <mhz> JaneW: designer news?
[02:04] <ogra> JaneW, why shouldnt it go with edubuntu ?=
[02:04] <jsgotangco> ogra, but you'll loose a lot of edu apps
[02:04] <JaneW> mhz: I have not heard anything no, but I know we are getting 1 set of designs
[02:04] <ogra> its justa flash movie ...
[02:04] <flint_> ogra, can we fork edubuntu to edukbumutu?
[02:04] <flint_> er edukubuntu
[02:04] <JaneW> ogra: well it will look diff for a start won't it?
[02:04] <mhz> JaneW: when could we know?
[02:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, some have a valid replacement in gnome 
[02:04] <ogra> (but not all)
[02:05] <JaneW> we need ppl making gnome apps - please
[02:05] <jsgotangco> ogra, if its justifiable and still ok for dapper i guess that's a good compromise
[02:05] <ogra> JaneW, making a screencapture is an easy task ...
[02:05] <JaneW> mhz: Jane Silber handles that according to the artwork deadline
[02:05] <JaneW> mhz: I think she is handing briefs over this week
[02:05] <highvoltage> sorry, i don't have time to catch up on the older messages, did hno73 mention anything about the website?
[02:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, amd64 and powerpc isos are constantly overflown
[02:05] <jsgotangco> argghhh
[02:05] <mhz> JaneW: okis...it's just that I'd love to see something
[02:06] <JaneW> ogra: ok maybe we can do some with our stuff. Corey is handling the content we should speak to him.
[02:06] <ogra> KDE takes a hell lot of space ....
[02:06] <JaneW> mhz: me too
[02:06] <ogra> and i doubt its justified for the 5 KDE apps we ship
[02:06] <jsgotangco> ogra, ok i'll evaluate this weekend
[02:06] <JaneW> mhz: howvere like last time it;s one of the last pieces of the puzzle and is not completed or released until right near the end
[02:06] <mhz> ogra: I have looked for gnome apps... not very successfully
[02:07] <ogra> jsgotangco, king could esily be replaced by drgeo ... it finally matured ... for example
[02:07] <highvoltage> ok, i'm almost on my way out so just some notes on edubuntu web/wiki site
[02:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: we decided on moin in your absence - ok>
[02:07] <JaneW> ?
[02:07] <ogra> mhz, there are a lot
[02:07] <mhz> ogra: but I have found xmaxima (GTK) for higher levels
[02:07] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, that's good, i cancelled the drupal with Znarl (much to his delight)
[02:07] <JaneW> where are the gnome app ppl?
[02:07] <mhz> ogra: equivalents??
[02:07] <JaneW> heh, thanks
[02:07] <ogra> mhz, yes
[02:07] <ogra> not for all of them ...
[02:07] <highvoltage> and as far as i understand mhz is going to work with hno73 and do some nice moin tweaking
[02:07] <ogra> but for dapper its to late for such a big change anyway
[02:08] <highvoltage> so that we can do everything with moin we could with drupal.
[02:08] <JaneW> highvoltage: I only figured out yesterday that drupal is 'drupal' <- afrikaans (well dutch actually) for drop
[02:08] <flint_> ogra, when is code freeze for dapper?
[02:08] <JaneW> hence the water droplet logo d'oh!
[02:08] <ogra> flint_, feature freezy is 23rd 
[02:08] <JaneW> so from now on it's pronounced dripel ppl
[02:08] <jsgotangco> ogra, we can still drop the kde apps we're still not in freature freeze yet
[02:08] <ogra> and i'm busy with ltsp and edubuntu-artwork until then
[02:09] <mhz> ogra: I can do testings for apps, that this HW can do ok
[02:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: er but we'd need to add replacements, and not sure we can still do that...
[02:09] <flint_> ogra, I blame all this talk of the dutch on you... :^)
[02:09] <ogra> jsgotangco, but there is no time to get replacements in and if it fails we cant go back
[02:09] <jsgotangco> right
[02:09] <jsgotangco> but overflowing images ain't good
[02:09] <jsgotangco> (for other arches at least)
[02:09] <ogra> i'll have to drop stuff, indeed
[02:09] <JaneW> agreed, but we have had that problem for a long time now
[02:10] <highvoltage> it'll be available on universe though
[02:10] <ogra> and shuffle a bit ...
[02:10] <highvoltage> ogra: how do you feel about a semi-official edubuntu add-on CD?
[02:10] <ogra> lets just keep in mind to check the option to go gnome only in dapper+1  ...
[02:10] <mhz> highvoltage: add-on cd?
[02:10] <Riddell> ogra: how about all the python modules
[02:10] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm not suggesting it, since i don't have time for it, but i think it's necassary to think about it
[02:10] <flint_> highvoltage, the ticket here is to use the automatix framework for addons.
[02:10] <ogra> Riddell, i'll manage, dont woirry ....
[02:11] <highvoltage> mhz: a CD with some additional .deb's for KDE support and additional, relevant software
[02:11] <mhz> ogra: cool, dapper +1. This way I can more easily make that edubuntu lite thing
[02:11] <ogra> Riddell, if i drop python stuff elkner will come to my house and whine 24h a day ...
[02:11] <highvoltage> flint_: automatix? you've got a link to that?
[02:11] <ogra> highvoltage, no option for dapper
[02:11] <ogra> eeek
[02:11] <mhz> highvoltage: ahh, good idea
[02:11] <highvoltage> ogra: and after that?
[02:11] <jmont> hello all, sorry that I am late for the meeting
[02:12] <ogra> stop even talking about automatix crack while i'm in the room please ... i might go blind
[02:12] <flint_> highvoltage, google "ubuntu automatix"  it is multimedia heaven for breezy
[02:12] <ogra> automatics is the suck ...
[02:12] <jsgotangco> heaven for people at the first but hell when they try to uninstall and upgrade
[02:12] <ogra> it breaks users systems and upgradeability  ...
[02:12] <flint_> ogra, sorry ma man. it is a hack indeed
[02:13] <ogra> i wont even give a line of support to any user who touched it ...
[02:13] <flint_> ogra, but it is in the spirit of hackish ness...
[02:13] <jsgotangco> oh you can see it, but its not a pretty sight
[02:13] <JaneW> ok our time is up.
[02:13] <ogra> its not supportable and breaks systems in intresting ways ... please dont advise it to anyone
[02:13] <jsgotangco> scary sources.list
[02:14] <highvoltage> ah yes, it does seem quite sucky, although we've done similar things in tuxlabs, due for change after we switch to dapper, of course.
[02:14] <flint_> ogra, i hear you.  however the framework that it developed may prove useful for addons.
[02:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: yes! well said. Automatix = Norton stuff
[02:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: I mean, they are = when trying to uninstall or upgrade :D
[02:14] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:14] <highvoltage> hacks are good in my opinion, but when it breaks more than it fixes, it's not worth while
[02:14] <ogra> flint_, synaptic is fine for addon stuff 
[02:15] <flint_> ogra, I am just pleased that I can still create FITS on the channel!
[02:15] <jmont> isn't possible to made an Automatix version that simply don't break the system?
[02:15] <jsgotangco> we should probably put edubuntu love in gnome-app-install
[02:15] <highvoltage> i was thinking of synaptic for the edubuntu add-on cd
[02:15] <highvoltage> apt-cdrom add ; apt-get install edubuntu-addons-all
[02:15] <JaneW> ok I need to dash, thanks guys, and let's aim for more structure next time. So we can get to the good discussions sooner!
[02:15] <jsgotangco> jmont, gnome-app-install is much saner on this regard and can accomodate multiverse apps if needed
[02:15] <highvoltage> yes, cheers!
[02:16] <flint_> JaneW, good talking.  Ollie I may call you!
[02:16] <mhz> JaneW: +1
[02:16] <jmont> jsgotangco, I undestand... so we should make gnome-app-install better than Automatix, and make ads about it
[02:16] <jmont> I mean, I know gnome-app-install is better... but we should improve it even more
[02:17] <flint_> jmont, keep in mind the framework is what i found facinating.  
[02:17] <jsgotangco> sure its a nifty bash script
[02:18] <jsgotangco> it can be improved upon
[02:18] <flint_> ogra, thanks for your insight on automatix
[02:18] <jmont> I understand..
[02:18] <flint_> ogra, i will contact you when I am back on the edubuntu machine...
[02:18] <jmont> flint_, Automatix is C/C++ powered?
[02:19] <flint_> jmont, na it is a buncha bash scripts with a gui on top (maybe pycard)
[02:19] <jsgotangco> nope it looks more like a python card script
[02:20] <flint_> jsgotangco, ollie is correct it is NOT to ubuntu standard...
[02:20] <flint_> honestly that is what I found most charming about it.
[02:20] <flint_> ...and it gave me muich multimedia...
[02:20] <flint_> be back soon...
[02:21] <jsgotangco> sure it gets lots of votes on the bling factor
[02:23] <jsgotangco> i guess we cool now eh?
[02:24] <jmont> yup
[02:25] <jsgotangco> cool i'm grabbing some late nite dinner
[02:36] <jmont> btw, what time is it in GTM/UTC?
[02:37] <freeflying> jmont: date --utc
[02:37] <jmont> thanks!
[02:43] <jmont> btw (again), do anybody know a nice backup utility?
[02:43] <jmont> i have tryed rsnapshot, but i need somethink I can upload to an remote FTP backup server (like .tar.gz's)
[02:43] <jmont> that dont spend too much disk space
[02:44] <jmont> (i will ask this in #ubuntu, sorry)
[07:36] <MarioMeyer_> Riddell, ping
[07:36] <Riddell> MarioMeyer_: hi
[07:36] <Riddell> MarioMeyer_: -> #kubuntu-devel
[10:09] <sorush20> guys will ubuntu have a recovery option? 
[10:09] <sorush20> is the meeting going to happen today? 
[10:09] <sorush20> has it happened already? 
[10:10] <sorush20> to be able to recover they system if an upgrade has gone wrong and your system has stoped responding/ 
[10:10] <sorush20> that would be and excellent feature
[10:30] <Kamion> sorush20: try 'rescue' on the install CD, or use a live CD
[10:30] <Kamion> please ask in #ubuntu in future rather than #ubuntu-meeting - this is a special-purpose channel and not really for general questions
[11:26] <sorush20> I want to put a take over bid for conocial 
[11:30] <azeem> sorush20: wrong channel