[01:42] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:47] <signifer123> hey
[03:18] <kejava> anyone here familiar with the ltsp package on edubuntu?
[03:18] <superseth> not i sir
[03:19] <kejava> trying to get more info on the lts.conf file
[03:19] <kejava> oh well, i'll #ltsp
[03:22] <mhz> kejava: pong
[03:22] <mhz> kejava: can you be more specific pelase ? ;)
[03:23] <Chico_KDE> hahaha
[03:23] <mhz> kejava: maybe I can help you but need more info
[03:30] <Chico_KDE> I've to go, bye
[03:30] <mhz> bytes
[03:35] <kejava> sorry about that, in other forum
[03:35] <kejava> i'm used to using ltsp on Slackware
[03:35] <kejava> i installed regular ubuntu and then the ltsp package
[03:36] <kejava> it's very diffrent from the slackware install i did before
[03:36] <kejava> couldn't even find the lts.conf file
[03:36] <kejava> is it even used?
[03:40] <mhz> ahhh
[03:41] <mhz> kejava: nope. Edubuntu LTSP is a modification of standard ltsp
[03:41] <mhz> edubuntu ltsp uses ssh forwarding X
[03:41] <kejava> yeah, it's surprisingly different
[03:41] <kejava> was a real shocker for me
[03:42] <kejava> so how do you config the terminals?  still use lts.conf?
[03:42] <mhz> nope
[03:42] <mhz> we use /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[03:43] <kejava> omg!
[03:43] <mhz> and that's pretty much what an admin should edit
[03:43] <mhz> the rest is all done at the config time
[03:43] <mhz> BUt
[03:43] <mhz> assuming you have installed edubuntu-server and edubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <mhz> no LTSP
[03:45] <kejava> but wait, you need a way to configure the terminals.  like mouse, nfs, swap, x server, etc.  that can't be in dhcpd.conf
[03:45] <kejava> what happens when you add a terminal?
[03:45] <kejava> and you need to tweak monitor horizontal and vertical syncs
[03:45] <mhz> kejava: ok, let's go a bit backwards
[03:46] <mhz> the idea of Edubuntu team is that:
[03:46] <mhz> a) a teeacher can become a kind of "lab admin"
[03:46] <mhz> with almost no worries at all
[03:46] <mhz> b) so he gets the cd
[03:47] <mhz> c) he installs the edubuntu CD pressing enter at the boot prompt
[03:47] <mhz> d) he waits and sets his network environments basics
[03:47] <mhz> (ip, netmask, etc)
[03:48] <mhz> e) he boots up each client and is presented with  LDM (Ltsp Display Manager)
[03:48] <mhz> g) if a user exists in /etc/passwd (in server side) and is not currently logged in
[03:48] <mhz> then he can login from the terminal
[03:49] <mhz> and voila! it is all ssh forwarded
[03:49] <mhz> so, 'everything' a user sees from terminal is actually happening at the server
[03:50] <mhz> why would each monitor be set?
[03:50] <kejava> thanks for the explaination but i'm aware of all of that.  already setup a network with ltsp on Slackware terminal server
[03:50] <kejava> some monitors are not pnp
[03:50] <kejava> not all hardware gets autodetected
[03:51] <mhz> ohh, well, I did not know you knew :)
[03:51] <kejava> previous versions of ltsp, you had to tell it or at least hint at what hardware was on the terminal
[03:51] <kejava> no problemj :-)
[03:52] <mhz> Not in Edubuntu, as we follow same exact Ubuntu principles... keep it the most user friendly as possible
[03:52] <kejava> when you add a client, you edit the lts.conf file
[03:52] <kejava> i see
[03:52] <mhz> Of course, with a command line you can tweak everything as needed :D
[03:52] <mhz> kejava: when i add a client, I edit nothing
[03:52] <mhz> it is all auto dtected
[03:52] <kejava> you using PXE boot roms in your NICs?
[03:53] <mhz> yup, ideally
[03:53] <mhz> :D
[03:53] <mhz> that explains a lot?
[03:53] <kejava> what about when you don't have PXE?
[03:53] <kejava> you use etherboot floppies?
[03:53] <mhz> oh, well, there is a howto I have not tried, and it explains boting via Floppy to get IP
[03:54] <mhz> and starts the ptocess
[03:54] <mhz> yup
[03:55] <kejava> ever hear of DisklessWorkstations.com?
[03:56] <kejava> i have three of their boxes, very nice to use
[03:56] <kejava> not PXE version though
[03:56] <kejava> also need to edit the lts.conf file for them and the other boxes on my network to function with ltsp on ubuntu
[03:57] <kejava> well, thanks a lot mhz 
[03:57] <kejava> better run
[04:17] <Bart11> hello all!
[04:17] <mhz> hi Bart11 !!
[04:17] <mhz> ;)
[04:17] <mhz> it is good to see such enthusiasm at the end of my tiring day
[04:18] <Bart11> where you from mhz?
[04:18] <mhz> Chile
[04:18] <mhz> you?
[04:19] <Bart11> oh ok..  it's just 11:20am here in the philippines
[04:19] <Bart11> what time is is there?
[04:19] <mhz> 00:19
[04:19] <mhz> and I have been at the computer since 09:00 am
[04:19] <mhz> :(
[04:20] <Bart11> wow.. what have you been doing?? coding?
[04:21] <mhz> Bart11: nope, helping some guys in a couple of IRC channels, translating stuff, doing some artwork, taking care of my daughter and house, giving love to some documents
[04:21] <Bart11> that's alot of work
[04:22] <mhz> yup
[04:22] <mhz> but i love it
[04:23] <mhz> esp, because it's for free :D
[04:23] <Bart11> cool
[04:23] <Bart11> hey need your opinion.. what would you recommend as min sys req for a standalone workstation?
[04:31] <mhz> 'min sys req' ??
[04:35] <Bart11> minimum system to run edubuntu as a stand alone workstation
[04:35] <mhz> aahhh
[04:36] <mhz> so for just a Desktop use?
[04:37] <Bart11> yup
[04:38] <mhz> 128 MB of Ram or up, 450 or 500 MHz, 4 GB
[04:39] <Bart11> ok, thanx, hw about a server fr 2 thin clients, and the sys req for a thin client?
[04:40] <Bart11> i'm asking coz im thinking of installing it on my kids sch.
[04:43] <mhz> yup
[04:43] <mhz> good idea
[04:43] <mhz> well, as a server, you have to understand that it demands RAM, netwrok bandwith and HD work
[04:45] <Bart11> i was thinking of just a command line server for 2 thin clients
[04:47] <Bart11> i looked at their old pc and they are really old, one is a 486dx2 66, the other is like a P100, and another pc that i still have to check next week.
[04:47] <mhz> server: 256 base RAM + 128 p/each client attached, at least 1 GHz
[04:47] <Bart11> i'm kinda wieghing opions for them, they have around 10 -15 students only, so they dont have a budget
[04:48] <mhz> clients: at least 48 MB RAM
[04:48] <mhz> ideally, NIC's supporting PXE
[04:48] <mhz> however you can use floppies to boot
[04:48] <Bart11> ok,, thanx for the input
[04:50] <Bart11> i think i'll just get them to get 2 old pc as standalone workstations... thanx
[04:50] <Bart11> i can get away with a 3.2gb hd ryt?
[04:53] <mhz> hehehe
[04:53] <mhz> yup, why not
[04:54] <Bart11> thanx...
[04:54] <mhz> yw
[04:54] <Bart11> 128 ram and 450mhz and 3.2gb, thanx
[09:12] <Bart11> hello kamping_kaiser, thanx for the help yesterday
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Bart11, hows it going now?
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries, btw
[09:12] <Bart11> its great my kid liked it
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)
[09:13] <Bart11> i fixed the resulution by editing the xorg.config file manulally so it's at 1024x768 now
[09:14] <Bart11> i'll check out my kids sch pc's next week if i can install it on their pcs
[09:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> gcompris? or edubuntu?
[09:14] <Bart11> edubuntu
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you find it (i havent looked at it yet)
[09:17] <Bart11> it's at /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[09:17] <Bart11> another guy help me yesterday
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> nah, it=edubuntu ;)
[09:18] <TOZTWO> WOOHOO! I get my Lab parts on Friday!
[09:19] <TOZTWO> $530 from the computer junk yard.
[09:19] <Bart11> its in edubuntu.org
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> TOZTWO: :)
[09:21] <TOZTWO> I'm gonna have 8 nodes in the lab, 2 nodes outside for when people have to work on something, but we're having class, 1 node in Bishop's office, and 1 node in the conference room for presentaions.
[09:22] <TOZTWO> I got PII 400s for $15 each!
[09:25] <Bart11> lucky for you toztwo
[09:26] <Bart11> kamping_kaiser: u havn't gotten edubuntu yet?
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Bart11: no.
[09:26] <Bart11> it's nice
[09:26] <TOZTWO> I just discoverd the computer recycle guy, and he's been here for 5 years already.
[09:27] <Bart11> where you from toztwo?
[09:27] <TOZTWO> He's got a big warehouse full of old der systems.
[09:27] <TOZTWO> Texas.
[09:27] <Bart11> $15 for an entire cpu?
[09:28] <TOZTWO> $15 for PII systems.
[09:28] <Bart11> proc/mb/ram/hd/case/ps??
[09:28] <TOZTWO> Monitor, keyboard mouse, VGA card, Sound card......
[09:28] <Bart11> wish there are places like that here in the phils
[09:30] <TOZTWO> PII 400-450(Couple of PIIIs), 32 Mb RAM, CDROM, Floppy, even the HDs, because it's too much trouble to take them out....
[09:30] <ogra> TOZTWO, you'll need more ram
[09:31] <Bart11> do you think he can ship it to the phils if i ordered?
[09:31] <ogra> ubuntu ltsp needs 64MB minimum
[09:31] <Bart11> but he has ram for sale too?
[09:31] <TOZTWO> Uh-oh!
[09:31] <ogra> (not true, 48MB work (kindof) but 64MB is recommended)
[09:32] <TOZTWO> 32 megs are cheap.
[09:32] <TOZTWO> He's got boxes of them.
[09:32] <TOZTWO> I might get 12 sticks for $15.
[09:33] <jsgotangco> ogra, are we still using gartoon?
[09:33] <Bart11> does he have a website? can you give me his contact details? i have a 2nd cuz there in texas
[09:33] <ogra> jsgotangco, for the young theme, yes ...
[09:34] <jsgotangco> gartoon's not the default then?
[09:34] <ogra> we have already the ability to switch between 3 themes in edubuntu-artwork, but there is no artwork yet
[09:34] <TOZTWO> Bart11, No web site yet, he barely stays afloat, but I'll get the phone number for you. 
[09:34] <ogra> nope, i wanted to make the mid age the default ... no idea which icon theme we'll choose for this ... i think gnome default
[09:35] <jsgotangco> ok thanks
[09:35] <Bart11> toztwo, thanx...
[09:35] <Bart11> toztwo, his address would be nice too...
[09:35] <TOZTWO> His name is Jonathan Harris, the company is Harris Distribution LLC. Temple Texas.
[09:35] <TOZTWO> brb
[09:36] <ogra> jsgotangco, we'll get professional artwork for the default theme ... i havent seen anything of it yet (silbs job)
[09:36] <jsgotangco> okay
[09:37] <TOZTWO> Whoa! He does have a website.!
[09:37] <TOZTWO> http://www.hdg-llc.com/services
[09:37] <Bart11> hello jsgotangco, ur from teh phils right?
[09:37] <TOZTWO> http://www.hdg-llc.com/contact_us
[09:37] <jsgotangco> Bart11, hi
[09:38] <jsgotangco> Bart11, as well as zakame 
[09:38] <Bart11> cool
[09:38] <Bart11> do you know a good place to get cheap surplus pcs??
[09:38] <jsgotangco> HMR
[09:40] <zakame> Bart11: there's HMR at mandaluyong
[09:40] <Bart11> i've been there it still is quite steep
[09:40] <Bart11> toztwo: thanx
[09:41] <jsgotangco> i dunno any place cheaper than that
[09:41] <Bart11> ok thanx
[09:41] <TOZTWO> According to the website, they've been there three years.
[09:42] <Bart11> thanx toztwo
[09:43] <TOZTWO> Harris' dad worked at L3 coding and just started working at the shop, I guess he's started working on the website.
[09:43] <TOZTWO> "Until October of 2002, my son, Jonathan and I began discussing the task of building a family business."
[09:44] <Bart11> cool
[09:45] <Bart11> i'll ask my cuz if she can get me some and send it by mail
[09:47] <TOZTWO> She's from a local city?
[09:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW, don't remove kdedu!
[09:48] <jsgotangco> don't push to remove rather
[09:48] <Bart11> nt really sure where she lives, i'll mail her later
[09:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, she isnt, i am
[09:48] <JaneW> heh
[09:48] <jsgotangco> :/
[09:48] <JaneW> it seems to make sense
[09:48] <JaneW> esp from a sizing perspective and ppl ask questions about it
[09:48] <JaneW> like why we on Gnome if the apps are all KDE etc...
[09:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, 1-200MB CD space for 5 apps is not really making sense
[09:49] <Bart11> what's kdedu?
[09:49] <jsgotangco> oh well you're the engineer :/
[09:49] <ogra> jsgotangco, it wont be dropped in dapper, but its one of my targets for dapper+1 to find sane replacements for most of the stuff
[09:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:49] <TOZTWO> I've been thinking abot the Gnome + KDE duality also.
[09:50] <TOZTWO> Can the apps be ported?
[09:50] <ogra> jsgotangco, as i said in the meeting yesterday, ppc and amd64 are constantly breaking
[09:50] <ogra> nope
[09:50] <ogra> sadly not
[09:50] <ogra> but there are replacements for most of them ...
[09:50] <ogra> they are lacking features the KDE ones have though
[09:50] <jsgotangco> it'll need an inclusion report though
[09:51] <TOZTWO> So GPeriodic is not a port of Kalzium?
[09:52] <TOZTWO> Wow!
[09:52] <ogra> gperiodic is a tool on its own
[09:52] <TOZTWO> Now that I look at them side by side, I see that GPeriodic needs some work.
[09:52] <ogra> yup
[09:53] <ogra> its fine for the task, but lacks some of the cool features kalzium has
[09:53] <ogra> (i.e. the timeline stuff to see when which element was discovered is a very noteable one)
[09:54] <TOZTWO> qt and gtk are very different from each other? So that the apps wopuld be hard to port?
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh,m i have joined it :/
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i havent got any email from it
[09:55] <TOZTWO> (My favorite Kalzium feature is the temperature slider)
[09:56] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, pretty low traffic ...
[09:56] <ogra> make some noise if you like ;)
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) *emails asking howto install wi8ndows on the thin client*
[09:57] <Bart11> hey guyz, kinda noob, just like to ask y did edubuntu go for gnome rather than kde?
[09:58] <TOZTWO> Ubuntu uses Gnome, edubuntu is based on ubuntu.
[09:58] <ogra> because gnome takes about 20MB less memory for ltsp on the desktop ... its the default in ubuntu and we have the backing of the whole ubuntu team for it
[09:58] <Bart11> oh ok, so kde is more resource hungry then?
[09:58] <ogra> if we had gone for KDE, the ltsp server would have to be a bit bigger (memory wise) and KDE has only one developer working on it (as edubuntu has)
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> <3 Gnome
[10:00] <ogra> additionally i dont know much about KDE programming ... would give me a hard time to care for it here :)
[10:00] <Bart11> hey ogra, where you from?
[10:00] <ogra> germany
[10:01] <Bart11> cool
[10:01] <Bart11> just out of curiousity, is janeW the only female here??
[10:02] <ogra> dunno, the others hide behind their nicks :)
[10:02] <Bart11> hahahha
[10:02] <JaneW> I think others pop in from time to time
[10:02] <JaneW> but it's hard to tell
[10:02] <JaneW> there were a few females teachers here a while ago
[10:02] <JaneW> and that troll - but that was prolly a male
[10:03] <ogra> jsgotangco, so you are secretly femaleish ? 
[10:03] <Bart11> ic
[10:03] <ogra> ;)
[10:03] <jsgotangco> bwahaha
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> it could be JanEW, so a bloke ;)
[10:03] <TOZchic> Where did I leave my skirt?
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:03] <ogra> heh
[10:03] <JaneW> yes I am a male
[10:03] <jsgotangco> i actually use edubuntu to lure the younger population
[10:03] <JaneW> ask ogra
[10:03] <ogra> LOL
[10:03] <jsgotangco> ok that didn't sound good
[10:03] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sis!
[10:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:05] <Bart11> btw guyz and gals behind the dev, great job on edubuntu, i'll spread the word. my kid likes it, and i'll probably give a demo on her school next wek or so
[10:05] <Bart11> week
[10:05] <jsgotangco> cool
[10:05] <TOZII> Bart11, it's aprivate school?
[10:05] <Bart11> yup
[10:06] <Bart11> but is quite a small school, 10 to 15 students
[10:06] <TOZII> I used to work at a Charter school, and they wouldn't let me do anything.
[10:06] <jsgotangco> 10, 15, 20, doesn't matter
[10:06] <jsgotangco> spread the love
[10:06] <TOZII> Public schools are works.
[10:06] <TOZII> works = worse.
[10:07] <TOZII> I'm promoting to churches.
[10:07] <Bart11> hey jane, ur in africa, right?
[10:07] <JaneW> Bart11: awesome
[10:07] <JaneW> Bart11: how's Homer?
[10:07] <JaneW> Bart11: yup... Cape Town to be exact
[10:08] <jsgotangco> Homer?
[10:08] <Bart11> he's quite fine, jsut drunk in the sofa wathcning tv... hhhe
[10:08] <JaneW> Bart11: heh
[10:08] <ogra> giggle
[10:08] <Bart11> ;-)
[10:10] <Bart11> janeW: got some slogans or posters that i can use??
[10:10] <JaneW> yeah 'save the whales!'
[10:10] <JaneW> 'Don't do drugs'
[10:10] <Bart11> i'll got to my old shchool next month and show it them, the sys admin is a close friend of mine
[10:11] <Bart11> i mean fro edubuntu... hehhehe
[10:11] <JaneW> seriusly we don;t yet have edubuntu branded promo material
[10:11] <Bart11> oh ok.
[10:11] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i can be your poster boy
[10:11] <JaneW> we d have this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[10:12] <JaneW> what the hell is wrong with my typing today? It's usually bad, but not THIS bad...
[10:13] <Bart11> thanx jane
[10:15] <TOZII> Will Breezy update to Dapper?
[10:16] <JaneW> what do you mean? Can you upgrade from one to the other? Yes.
[10:16] <ogra> sure
[10:16] <TOZII> I mean without reinstalling.
[10:17] <TOZII> You would upgrade just like with the critical updates?
[10:17] <ogra> i'm not yet sure if you have to recreate the thin client chroot or not ... i'll do my best to preserve the upgrade path here (would be only one command anyway) but the changes are pretty heavy ...
[10:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> TOZII: it basicly reinstalls your sytem, but it does it keeping all your settings and the same applictions
[10:17] <ogra> the distro itself will be flawless to upgrade ...
[10:18] <TOZII> If dapper has Gimpshop rather than Gimp, and I update Breezy......    ?
[10:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, no need to :)
[10:18] <ogra> dapper doesnt have gimpshop 
[10:18] <jsgotangco> gimpshops a hack
[10:19] <TOZII> But easier for n00bz
[10:19] <ogra> and if dapper would have gimpshop, there are ways to tell the system that its a replacement for gimp ...
[10:19] <ogra> dont worry 
[10:20] <TOZII> I just didn't want to recreate 50 accounts, and/or backup and restore.
[10:21] <ogra> the only worrying bit is the thin client nfs root ... i removed so many things to make it less memory hungry and boot faster that it might be necessary to rm -f /opt/ltsp/i386 and run ltsp-build-client again ...
[10:21] <ogra> but thats only for booting the thin clients and trivial to do ...
[10:21] <TOZII> Only once on the server right.
[10:21] <ogra> yup
[10:22] <TOZII> Coolbeans.
[10:22] <ogra> you can upgrade it without wiping it, but there most likely would stuff remain that slows down the improvements 
[10:22] <ogra> so for the full experience, wiping will be better ...
[10:23] <ogra> i'll write it all up in the upgrade notes once we're this far :)
[10:23] <TOZII> Someone will prolly write a script for those of us with lesser skillz, or at least a how-to.
[10:23] <TOZII> thanx.
[10:24] <ogra> sudo rm -f /opt/ltsp/i386 && sudo ltsp-build-client
[10:24] <ogra> thats the script already ;)
[10:24] <signifer123> ll now that was quick :-p
[10:24] <TOZII> Can I double click on it?
[10:24] <ogra> heh
[10:24] <ogra> you could wrap a .desktop file around it ... :)
[10:25] <signifer123> put it in a file called whateveryou nameit.sh
[10:25] <ogra> then its double clickable 
[10:25] <signifer123> nvm then...
[10:25] <ogra> yes, or put it in a shellscript :)
[10:26] <TOZII> A shellscript is an executable text file?
[10:27] <signifer123> yeah
[10:27] <TOZII> If so, I wrote a couple that switch out the logos and layouts for Solar Wolf to explain the benefits of OSS.
[10:28] <signifer123> someone whould make quick scripts :-p
[10:28] <signifer123> all it does is be a fontend ot a script repository
[10:28] <TOZII> One double click and the videogame is "rebranded" with the Church'es logo.
[10:28] <signifer123> what videogame?
[10:28] <TOZII> Solar wolf.
[10:29] <signifer123> ohhh :-p
[10:29] <TOZII> It's a Python game, so it's easy to edit.
[10:29] <signifer123> don't yul ove python :-p
[10:29] <signifer123> you love*
[10:29] <ogra> even easier ... find the location of the pictures and just replace them :)
[10:30] <signifer123> or get a plugin for gimp to do it
[10:30] <ogra> (as long as they have same size and name it will just work)
[10:30] <signifer123> :_p
[10:30] <TOZII> Actually, that's what I did, but wiht a double clickable executable text file on the desktop.
[10:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. food
[10:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope there is some email to reply to when i get back :P
[10:31] <TOZII> A simple file renaming script....
[10:31] <TOZII> But to them, it was "Magic"
[10:31] <TOZII> The Magic of open source.
[10:32] <ogra> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[10:32] <ogra> thats a good starting point if you want to do scripting
[10:33] <TOZII> They understand it a whole lot better when they see it happen.
[10:33] <TOZII> "Wow! You wrote this videogame for the chuch?!?!?"
[10:34] <TOZII> "Nope, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants."
[10:36] <signifer123> "Nope, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants." - arn't like 99.999% of coders ;-)
[10:37] <TOZII> Real coders.
[10:37] <TOZII> Or is that real world coders.
[10:38] <Bart11> hey signifier: thnx for the help yesterday
[10:38] <signifer123> No Problem Bart11
[10:39] <TOZII> Edubuntu workstation doesn't recognize floppy drives?
[10:39] <Bart11> it was easier to edit the config file rather than sun the reconfigure thing
[10:39] <signifer123> idk...pretty all the coders that don't work on the cpu
[10:39] <signifer123> ohhh...:-p
[10:40] <Bart11> sun=run heheh
[10:40] <signifer123> sorry then...the reconfigure thing helped me out when my gfx stopped working
[10:40] <TOZII> I only run it on a laptop without a floppy, but Bishop says that his workstation doesn't recognize his floppy.
[10:40] <signifer123> :-P
[10:40] <Bart11> oh ok...
[10:40] <signifer123> really?
[10:40] <signifer123> lemme graba floppy one sec
[10:41] <ogra> TOZII, there was a bug ... its fixed in breezy-updates ... make sure you have the updates enabled in synaptic, it should install a new version of pmount
[10:41] <TOZII> Ah!
[10:42] <TOZII> he doesn't have an internet connectin at home.
[10:42] <signifer123> well i guess I ahve it then becuase it works for me (as root)
[10:42] <TOZII> I'll let him know.
[10:43] <ogra> pmount is trivially small ... pull it down on your computer and copy the pmount package from /var/cache/apt/archive to the same directory on his machine to install it  ...
[10:43] <ogra> take a CD if floppy or usbstick dont work
[10:43] <signifer123> its download is 36.5 kb
[10:43] <TOZII> He lost his Serial for Word, I told him to use OpenOffice, he said that OO doesn't recognize his floppy......
[10:44] <signifer123> lol
[10:44] <TOZII> He bought a used copy of Works, that required a 20 digit serial that he didn't have...........
[10:45] <ogra> i think edubuntu is th eonly ubuntu variant that still has a big userbase with floppies and serial mice out there :)
[10:45] <TOZII> I asked him again, why don't you just use Open Office?
[10:45] <signifer123> which is why i like it :)
[10:45] <signifer123> lol
[10:45] <signifer123> does works run on wine?
[10:46] <ogra> office runs on wine, so i'd guess works does too
[10:46] <TOZII> I dunno, but I've got his machine on dual boot, XP Home and Edubuntu Workstation....
[10:46] <signifer123> ohh...
[10:46] <TOZII> Finally, I remind him that OO is multi platform.
[10:46] <signifer123> ohhhth at low grade version of office
[10:47] <signifer123> :-p
[10:47] <TOZII> The first time that I installed OO on one of his machines 2 years ago, it was a Winders machine.
[10:47] <signifer123> he like it?
[10:48] <TOZII> He thought that OO was not Linux only, but edubuntu only.
[10:48] <ogra> heh
[10:48] <signifer123> whoah....
[10:48] <TOZII> He likes the edubuntu OO.
[10:48] <ogra> :)
[10:48] <signifer123> :-) - just have ot
[10:49] <signifer123> to*
[10:49] <TOZII> He was so happy that I showed him the Winders version again, "no serialz, no hassles, no problem".
[10:49] <signifer123> we need that slogan for something...
[10:50] <signifer123> or at least a linux shirt with that on it
[10:50] <TOZII> "roll your own"......Now there's a slogan
[10:51] <signifer123> is it possible to take that out of context nad in the wrong way?
[10:51] <signifer123> "roll yuor own"
[10:51] <signifer123> with the typo os everyone says you have it spelled wrong
[10:51] <signifer123> so<>os
[10:52] <TOZII> Due to the per cigarette tobacco tax, there was a company that used to sell very long cigarrettes, that you were supposed to chop up into 5 cigarrettes each.....
[10:53] <ogra> heh, funny idea
[10:53] <signifer123> i wonder what happened....:-p
[10:53] <TOZII> Latter they just revered back into the old pouch and paper days......
[10:54] <TOZII> Sell a pouch of tobacco and 10 papers, as ten cigarrettes.......
[10:54] <TOZII> But there was enough tobacco for 50 cigarettes.....
[10:54] <signifer123> thats wat one of me relatives buys...becuase its "ssafer"
[10:55] <signifer123> ughh...
[10:55] <TOZII> Sell papers seperately, because there's no tax on papers.
[10:55] <TOZII> Roll them fat as you like, or ltsp as you like.
[10:55] <signifer123> i thought there was....
[10:56] <TOZII> No taxes.
[10:56] <Bart11> hey guyz, do you use a fax machine or ur pcs for fax?
[10:56] <signifer123> nope...don't have a fax
[10:57] <signifer123> kinda wish i did
[10:57] <Bart11> is it easy to use modem for fax, using OSS??
[10:58] <TOZII> I never could quite figer out how in tarnation to use on of thm thar facts machines.
[10:58] <signifer123> you have a fax modem?
[10:59] <Bart11> yup
[10:59] <Bart11> its stored away somewhere in the garage.. hehhehe
[11:00] <ogra> have a look at gfax in universe
[11:00] <signifer123> well...you can set hylaFAX up a printer nad when you print ot it it send the fax
[11:00] <signifer123> or try that ^^^^
[11:01] <ogra> (indeed there is also hylafax, but thats rather for big companys)
[11:01] <signifer123> ^^what i felt :-P^^
[11:02] <TOZII> Ogra, maybe we could put bounties on Gnome ports of KDEdu apps?
[11:02] <Bart11> ok.. so which is better hylafax of gfax? its mostly just fo recieving fax than sending them
[11:03] <ogra> TOZII, probably in the future ... for dapper we already had a hard time to get pressed install CDs ...
[11:04] <ogra> but we'll finally have them :)
[11:04] <signifer123> Bart11 - not sure i'm pretty sure gfax needs mono
[11:04] <TOZII> You mean, they're ready now?
[11:05] <ogra> in april ... with the dapper release 
[11:05] <TOZII> On a scale from 1 - 10, exactly how forked are we?
[11:05] <ogra> 0
[11:05] <ogra> :)
[11:06] <TOZII> So edubuntu is exactly ubuntu with the ltsp installed?
[11:06] <ogra> edubuntu is developed in ubuntu ...
[11:06] <ogra> not exactly ...
[11:07] <TOZII> .01 forked?
[11:07] <ogra> the installer sets up the ltsp for you, the edubuntu-desktop and -server packages have some different software selection ... but all is made inside of ubuntu
[11:07] <ogra> and there is edubuntu-artwork that cares for the appearance ...
[11:08] <ogra> but the work i do in edubuntu is full ubuntu work and flows into ubuntu as well ...
[11:08] <signifer123> brb i wanto see if edubuntu will run with wirelless and with fax mdem in...
[11:08] <signifer123> modem*
[11:08] <ogra> so if i develop a cool feature for edubuntu-artwork, it will also show up in ubuntu-artwork for example
[11:09] <TOZII> But you do more than artwork?
[11:09] <ogra> a fork would be to have our own repository of packages ...
[11:10] <ogra> but all edubuntu stuff is also installable on a standard ubuntu ...
[11:10] <ogra> the only real diversion happens in the installer ... (artwork of the cd screen and one line of code to set up ltsp)
[11:11] <TOZII> So you could take a ubuntu instal, and reconfigure it so that it behaves just like edubuntu server?
[11:11] <ogra> i care for ltsp, the edubuntu metapackages and the software we add for educational purposes
[11:11] <ogra> yup
[11:12] <ogra> and indeed i care for the cdimages :)
[11:12] <TOZII> What time is it there now.
[11:12] <TOZII> Just curious.
[11:12] <ogra> at my place ? 
[11:12] <ogra> 11:12am
[11:13] <TOZII> 4:12AM here.
[11:13] <TOZII> LTSP allows sound right?
[11:13] <ogra> the new one in dapper, yes
[11:13] <ogra> the breezy version didnt
[11:13] <TOZII> April 6th?
[11:14] <ogra> 23th i think 
[11:14] <ogra> look at DapperReleaseSchedule on the wiki
[11:15] <TOZII> And does sound support require more Ghz on the server CPU?
[11:15] <ogra> nope
[11:15] <TOZII> Coool.
[11:15] <ogra> but a small amount of extra memory on the client ...
[11:15] <TOZII> April 23rd.
[11:15] <ogra> but 64MB should cover that still ...
[11:15] <TOZII> Cool.
[11:16] <TOZII> I ordered more memory already.
[11:16] <TOZII> Left a message.
[11:18] <TOZII> in Breezy, the Audio was beig processed by the server, and transfered to te clients, but it was not being processed on th eclients?
[11:18] <ogra> in breezy it was only working for the first person which logged in ...
[11:19] <ogra> in dapper it will be cleanly forwarded to each client ..
[11:19] <ogra> (it already is in fact :) )
[11:19] <TOZII> WOOHOO!
[11:20] <TOZII> Thank you ogra.
[11:20] <ogra> its my job :)
[11:20] <ogra> (but also my passion indeed)
[11:21] <TOZII> I told Bishop that I had talked to you MHZ and lguerra once for about 3 hours, and tat you guys helped me out a whole lot..........
[11:21] <jsgotangco> really?
[11:21] <ogra> jsgotangco, ?
[11:21] <TOZII> He asked who you guys were.........
[11:21] <TOZII> So I told him.......
[11:22] <ogra> lol
[11:22] <ogra> not really ... i dont get drunk every day ... but i work on edubuntu every day
[11:22] <TOZII> He couldn't understand why you guys ould spend so much time talking to me.........
[11:23] <TOZII> ould = would
[11:23] <TOZII> I tried to explain.......
[11:23] <ogra> jsgotangco, being drunk occasionally ?
[11:23] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:23] <TOZII> Don't know if I did.....
[11:24] <jsgotangco> well partly, i work in ubuntu everyday..
[11:24] <jsgotangco> i guess that's good :)
[11:24] <ogra> yeah 
[11:24] <jsgotangco> oh by the way
[11:24] <jsgotangco> i've uploaded some new docs
[11:24] <jsgotangco> i'm going to upload a script to make it to html
[11:24] <TOZII> I tod him that the reason that I don't charge him for the work that I do for him, is that the work I do is a priviledge.
[11:25] <jsgotangco> should be availabe in doc.ubuntu.com later
[11:25] <ogra> jsgotangco, cool 
[11:26] <TOZII> If I charged him money, he couldn't afford me, then I wouldn't get to have any fun at all.
[11:26] <ogra> TOZII, but you could charge for the service ...
[11:26] <ogra> in facte thats what canonical does as well ...
[11:26] <ogra> give the software out for free, but offer commercial support for it ...
[11:26] <TOZII> I don't charge money, he pays me anyway.....
[11:27] <ogra> ah, k
[11:27] <ogra> mhz tries the above model in chile ...
[11:27] <ogra> given that he is still around after 6 months it seems you can survive with it :)
[11:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:28] <TOZII> I do a whole lot of work for free, and recieve about 1/5th  value in compensation.....
[11:28] <ogra> he even made it on tv with ubuntu/edubuntu over there
[11:29] <jsgotangco> oh>
[11:29] <jsgotangco> ?
[11:29] <jsgotangco> wow
[11:29] <TOZII> But if I chagred real money, I'd get 1/10th the amount of work.
[11:30] <TOZII> I don't really care too much about the cash, I'm trying to find someone to help out.
[11:30] <ogra> depends, if you need to feed children from it or have a angry wife at home, you might care for the cash ...
[11:31] <TOZII> I'm working on building an "army" of people that have different skillsets......
[11:31] <TOZII> I'm a single bachelor who survives on ramen noodles.....
[11:31] <ogra> lol
[11:32] <TOZII> Grahics, music, programming, web design, writing, publishing.......
[11:32] <TOZII> I might be a little selfish.....
[11:33] <TOZII> I want to show people tht they can do wonderful things wit technology......
[11:34] <ogra> thats not selfish
[11:34] <TOZII> You used to have to have a big following and a "hit song", now you can produce your own albums......
[11:34] <signifer123> back...
[11:35] <TOZII> You used to have to mail your manuscripts to publishers and magazines, now you can publish yor own stories.
[11:35] <TOZII> Print your own magazines....
[11:36] <TOZII> No more darkrooms and toxic chemicals, now it's Gimp and a good printer........
[11:37] <TOZII> I tried selling an edubuntu lab to the church, no one was too enthused...........
[11:38] <TOZII> I then tried selling them a church newsletter written, formatted, and edited by the youth group, and they were all for that.....
[11:38] <signifer123> :)
[11:38] <ogra> give them scribus as well, its in the edubuntu default install ...
[11:39] <ogra> its a great DTP tool you can even use professionally
[11:39] <TOZII> I told them that the youth would develope skills that were concrete and could be shown to potential employers, and they wanted it then.
[11:39] <TOZII> DTP
[11:39] <TOZII> O!
[11:40] <TOZII> Desk Top Publishing.
[11:40] <ogra> yup
[11:40] <ogra> to make newspapers and flyers
[11:40] <TOZII> Yeah, that's what I sold them.
[11:41] <ogra> jsgotangco, see -devel ... its broken 
[11:41] <TOZII> They have a yoth organization called "Keepin' It Real".
[11:41] <jsgotangco> argghh
[11:41] <ogra> wait for the rebuild ....
[11:41] <jsgotangco> ok
[11:41] <TOZII> The Keepin' It Real Founder has been working for months on a trifold pamphlet using publisher.......
[11:42] <TOZII> I could'a done it in 3 days with Scribus.
[11:43] <jsgotangco> 14
[11:43] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:43] <jsgotangco> ok
[11:43] <jsgotangco> i'll look at report.html before grabbing
[11:43] <ogra> yes, makes sense
[11:43] <TOZII> He said, "If you don't use Microsoft, then you don't have Publisher"......
[11:43] <ogra> i just removed schooltool tepmorary ... the next report should look better
[11:43] <ogra> heh
[11:44] <TOZII> I told him, "We don't need Publisher. We have Scribus."
[11:44] <TOZII> I said it with such conviction that he was ready to listen to what 
[11:44] <TOZII> I was selling him.
[11:47] <jsgotangco> ogra, if report.html is empty it means its fine?
[11:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes .... if things like mailx and lsb stuff show up, it means its overflown ... that means it might or might not work ... (gambling)
[11:48] <jsgotangco> kubuntu has a clean slate
[11:49] <ogra> it has no overflow problems
[11:49] <TOZII> I'm currently documenting this lab that I'm building. I was going to make a simple webpage, with images documenting how it was built, from hardware used to instalsation of the software, and even administration.....
[11:49] <ogra> try dia for that ... 
[11:49] <ogra> its good for schema stuff
[11:50] <TOZII> Eventually, it will end up on our website, but we don't have a website yet.......
[11:51] <TOZII> Is there someplace that I might host it in order to help others in the mean time?
[11:51] <jsgotangco> ogra, it says its uninstallable...
[11:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, kubuntu ? 
[11:51] <jsgotangco> no edubuntu
[11:52] <jsgotangco> unistallable packages
[11:52] <ogra> yes
[11:52] <jsgotangco> the only clue i got that its still -14 is linux-meta
[11:52] <ogra> schooltool is broken ... and supposed to be fixed before 23rd
[11:52] <ogra> the kernel image is the weong one ...
[11:56] <TOZII> Thanx..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dia
[11:57] <jsgotangco> ogra, ok thanks. i'll just wait for a heads up from you if we're ready then
[11:58] <jsgotangco> (just want to do amd64 for now)
[12:00] <signifer123> ughhh fax is a pain...
[12:05] <signifer123> whats the hylafax password?
[12:42] <mhz> ogra: hi... back better?
[12:43] <ogra> yup
[12:43] <ogra> not perfect yet, but a lot better :)
[12:49] <mhz> ogra: cool!, please do be nice to your back at least until dapper :D 
[12:49] <ogra> will be ...
[12:49] <ogra> its just the frits of travelling with a lot of heavy stuff :)
[12:50] <ogra> *fruits even
[12:50] <ogra> i had my whole ltsp lab with me in london last week
[12:50] <mhz> hehehe, I have been there too.
[12:50] <mhz> (not in london! but yes, with lots of weight to travel)
[02:24] <MotherLUG> Hello All
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hiu :)
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> me recognises the nic from somewhere
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, linuxsa email l8ist
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb. checking
[02:25] <MotherLUG> I have a question.  I have found a typo in the edubuntu FAQs page. Who should I contact please?
[02:26] <MotherLUG> Yes Kamping_Kaiser , It is me.
[02:26] <ogra> MotherLUG, on the wiki ? 
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi :)
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi MotherLUG :)
[02:27] <MotherLUG> ogra, yes
[02:27] <MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, Hello there
[02:27] <ogra> MotherLUG, then just fix it :)
[02:27] <ogra> thats why it is a wiki
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[02:27] <MotherLUG> Thankyou, but I wanted to check first. I hate stepping on toes
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> )
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> *( :)
[02:29] <ogra> MotherLUG, just change it, people who care about a particular page and its content should be subscribed to it :)
[02:30] <MotherLUG> Just looking at subscibing as it's a locked page
[02:31] <ogra> you need a launchpad account ...
[02:31] <ogra> that will give you access to all ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu ressources
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG: what's the error?
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can fix it (I'm registerd with LP)
[02:36] <MotherLUG> bottom of the FAQ's page it has    Edubuntu is also only available as an install. For a live CD, try Ubutun.com
[02:36] <ogra> nice catch :)
[02:36] <MotherLUG> ta
[02:43] <MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, Thankyou for that, another deed done for the day. Good Night All :D
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> LATER MATE
[02:44] <ogra> night and thanks :)
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> er sorry
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> caps :$
[02:45] <MotherLUG> Later.  No problem. Night
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[03:24] <Oxymoron> whats the diffrence between edubuntu and ubuntu?
[03:25] <ogra> edubuntu installs a single classroom ltsp server by default, has added educational apps (kdeedu, tux4kids, gcompris ...) and different artwork ...
[03:25] <ogra> similar to k12ltsp ...
[03:26] <ogra> but you have a workstation install option to omit the server bits
[03:26] <Oxymoron> when I installed my ubuntu, all was ok, but now when I start it says "edubuntu" whats up?
[03:27] <ogra> did you install edubuntu-desktop ?
[03:27] <ogra> then thats expected behavior
[03:27] <Oxymoron> no I installed ubuntu
[03:28] <pirast> is edubuntu-artwork-usplash installed?
[03:28] <Oxymoron> where can I check that?
[03:28] <ogra> you will only get the edubuntu bootscreen if oyu installed edubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-artwork or even edubuntu-artwork-usplash 
[03:29] <Oxymoron> where can I check my artwork upsplash?
[03:29] <pirast> run this in a terminal: dpkg -l | grep edubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:29] <Oxymoron> what does that do+
[03:30] <pirast> if there is any output it is installed
[03:30] <pirast> it looks if the package edubuntu-artwork-usplash is installed
[03:30] <Oxymoron> ok
[03:30] <ogra>  sudo update-alternatives --list usplash-artwork.so
[03:31] <ogra> that will show you which bootsplashes are available on your system
[03:31] <Oxymoron> yeah I have an edubuntu splash
[03:31] <ogra>  sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[03:31] <ogra> that will offer you to change it
[03:32] <eds0n> hey, I just got a problem with the edubuntu server, it was rebooted and suddenly I can't get into X, and there's no output on the log...
[03:32] <eds0n> anyone had the same problem?
[03:32] <Oxymoron> ogra: thatdid the trick, thanks
[03:33] <ogra> eds0n, what did you do before ? 
[03:33] <ogra> Oxymoron, you'll need to regenerate your initramfs ...
[03:33] <Oxymoron> ogra: what does that mean?
[03:33] <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) will do that
[03:34] <eds0n> ogra: I just changed something in the xorg.conf file, but when I rebooted X it worked. It was only some Vsync and Hsync stuff. So if it was wrong, I've should've gotten an error message :-/
[03:34] <Oxymoron> ogra: what will happen?
[03:34] <ogra> the initramfs is a filesystem that gets executed on boot ... it needs regeneration to take the change 
[03:34] <ogra> else you'll still have the edubuntu usplash :)
[03:34] <eds0n> ogra: was after a complete reboot it didn't work
[03:34] <eds0n> yeah, everything works until it tries to start gdm
[03:35] <eds0n> then I get the usual X-server error, and asks if I want to see the output, and it's impty
[03:35] <eds0n> *empty
[03:35] <eds0n> nothing on the log files, but /var/log/gdm creates some empty ones 0 bytes
[03:35] <ogra> also noting in /var/log/Xorg.*.log ?
[03:35] <ogra> gdm has logging disabled by default, thats nothing special
[03:37] <eds0n> no new Xorg.log is generated
[03:37] <ogra> what happens if you try startx from a console ? 
[03:38] <ogra> it should spit out an error 
[03:40] <eds0n> yeah, it just spits out a general error
[03:40] <eds0n> xinit 111 or something
[03:40] <eds0n> and xauth writes a new file
[03:41] <eds0n> I just find it wierd that it suddenly stopped working :-/
[03:43] <ogra> it doesnt stop without you doing something 
[03:43] <ogra> thats breezy ? 
[03:46] <eds0n> jsut found out that xserver-xorg for some reason was broken.. ?
[03:47] <ogra> is that breezy ?
[03:49] <pirast> im off now, bye
[03:49] <ogra> ciao pirast 
[03:52] <eds0n> ogra: seems to work after reinstalling xserver-xorg heh
[03:52] <eds0n> ogra: :)
[03:52] <ogra> :)
[03:52] <eds0n> ogra: have you used vmware clients to an edubuntu server? Starting the vmware client with PXE?
[03:52] <ogra> nop
[03:52] <eds0n> ogra: we've been trying this, but the client doesn't manage to start X
[03:52] <eds0n> ogra: ah ok
[03:53] <ogra> i'm developing ltsp, there is not much time left to play with other implementations :)
[03:53] <ogra> i use real hardware for this ... :)
[03:55] <eds0n> ogra: we're just going to test performance. So we wanted to see how it worked with vmware clients, but it's not important :)
[03:55] <ogra> i tried a i386 with quemu on my ibook ...
[03:56] <ogra> but i'm to impatient ... afetr 1h booting i stopped it ...
[03:56] <eds0n> heh ok
[03:56] <eds0n> well, thanks for you help
[03:56] <ogra> youre welcom :)
[03:56] <eds0n> if I find out about the vmware thing I'll let you know
[03:56] <ogra> e
[03:56] <eds0n> cya, gtg
[03:56] <ogra> fine, we can put it on the wiki
[03:56] <ogra> ciao
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hrmmm i should try installing it in a vmware server then :)
[04:00] <jsgotangco> would be interesting to see how edubuntu virtualization would work (probably sloooowww)
[04:01] <ogra> you mean vmware ltsp clients ? 
[04:02] <jsgotangco> no the ltsp server itself
[04:02] <jsgotangco> dunno how a vmware ltsp client would work though (yet)
[04:02] <jsgotangco> probably just the same
[04:02] <ogra> that should work fine ... even running the server locally and a quemu based client should be fine ...
[04:02] <ogra> (as long as you dont emulate foreign arches ;) )
[04:03] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:03] <ui-fi> ola pessoal
[05:05] <ui-fi> hello
[07:27] <Burgwork> ogra, why did gobby and schooltool get removed?
[07:27] <ogra> Burgwork, because schooltool breaks cdbuilds, waiting for upstream to upgrade 
[07:28] <ogra> gobbys upstream decided to switch to howl ...
[07:29] <ogra> i havent come around to talk to pkern yet if he might remove that dependency
[07:29] <ogra> he knows about the problem though
[07:32] <Burgwork> ogra, howl? are they crazy? maybe before avahi existed, but now?
[07:33] <ogra> it uses the avahi-howl compatibility layer which we dont ship because upstream wants to drop it again
[07:33] <ogra> debian has it though
[08:22] <flint> ogra, I missed the answer to the chroot install error...
[08:23] <flint> if you can shoot me an email with it.
[08:43] <mhz> flint: hi
[08:49] <ogra> flint, if you can repeaet what the error was ? 
[10:27] <signifer123> Hello.
[12:00] <MotherLUG> Morning All