=== mhz_lavaloza is now known as mhz_a_comprar === Eisdieler [n=albe@p54A0CACC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === Eisdieler [n=albe@p54A0CACC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-141-157-88-80.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.226.135.92.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes__ [i=hannes@dna254-92.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === TOZII [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.226.135.92.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes_ [i=hannes@dna254-92.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu === flint [n=flint@69-173-179-231.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #edubuntu === vegard_ [n=Vego@190.80-203-21.nextgentel.com] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-170-38-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:42] hi [01:47] hey === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-170-38-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu ["Abandonando"] === TOZII [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.226.234.162.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_a_comprar is now known as mhz === cliebow [n=cliebow@70-33-151-214.agstme.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-170-38-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur is now known as Chico_KDE === kejava [n=kejava@pool-68-163-59-97.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:18] anyone here familiar with the ltsp package on edubuntu? [03:18] not i sir [03:19] trying to get more info on the lts.conf file [03:19] oh well, i'll #ltsp === superseth [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #edubuntu [] [03:22] kejava: pong [03:22] kejava: can you be more specific pelase ? ;) [03:23] hahaha [03:23] kejava: maybe I can help you but need more info [03:30] I've to go, bye [03:30] bytes === Chico_KDE [n=alejandr@pc-170-38-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu ["Abandonando"] [03:35] sorry about that, in other forum [03:35] i'm used to using ltsp on Slackware [03:35] i installed regular ubuntu and then the ltsp package [03:36] it's very diffrent from the slackware install i did before [03:36] couldn't even find the lts.conf file [03:36] is it even used? [03:40] ahhh [03:41] kejava: nope. Edubuntu LTSP is a modification of standard ltsp [03:41] edubuntu ltsp uses ssh forwarding X [03:41] yeah, it's surprisingly different [03:41] was a real shocker for me [03:42] so how do you config the terminals? still use lts.conf? [03:42] nope [03:42] we use /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [03:43] omg! [03:43] and that's pretty much what an admin should edit [03:43] the rest is all done at the config time [03:43] BUt [03:43] assuming you have installed edubuntu-server and edubuntu-desktop [03:43] no LTSP [03:45] but wait, you need a way to configure the terminals. like mouse, nfs, swap, x server, etc. that can't be in dhcpd.conf [03:45] what happens when you add a terminal? === dsaa [n=dsaa@210.5.94.16] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] and you need to tweak monitor horizontal and vertical syncs [03:45] kejava: ok, let's go a bit backwards [03:46] the idea of Edubuntu team is that: [03:46] a) a teeacher can become a kind of "lab admin" [03:46] with almost no worries at all [03:46] b) so he gets the cd [03:47] c) he installs the edubuntu CD pressing enter at the boot prompt [03:47] d) he waits and sets his network environments basics [03:47] (ip, netmask, etc) [03:48] e) he boots up each client and is presented with LDM (Ltsp Display Manager) [03:48] g) if a user exists in /etc/passwd (in server side) and is not currently logged in === christkilla [n=christki@h-66-167-91-222.phlapafg.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:48] then he can login from the terminal [03:49] and voila! it is all ssh forwarded [03:49] so, 'everything' a user sees from terminal is actually happening at the server [03:50] why would each monitor be set? [03:50] thanks for the explaination but i'm aware of all of that. already setup a network with ltsp on Slackware terminal server [03:50] some monitors are not pnp [03:50] not all hardware gets autodetected [03:51] ohh, well, I did not know you knew :) [03:51] previous versions of ltsp, you had to tell it or at least hint at what hardware was on the terminal [03:51] no problemj :-) [03:52] Not in Edubuntu, as we follow same exact Ubuntu principles... keep it the most user friendly as possible [03:52] when you add a client, you edit the lts.conf file [03:52] i see [03:52] Of course, with a command line you can tweak everything as needed :D [03:52] kejava: when i add a client, I edit nothing [03:52] it is all auto dtected [03:52] you using PXE boot roms in your NICs? [03:53] yup, ideally [03:53] :D [03:53] that explains a lot? [03:53] what about when you don't have PXE? [03:53] you use etherboot floppies? [03:53] oh, well, there is a howto I have not tried, and it explains boting via Floppy to get IP [03:54] and starts the ptocess [03:54] yup === mhz has no floppy drives :( [03:55] ever hear of DisklessWorkstations.com? [03:56] i have three of their boxes, very nice to use [03:56] not PXE version though [03:56] also need to edit the lts.conf file for them and the other boxes on my network to function with ltsp on ubuntu [03:57] well, thanks a lot mhz [03:57] better run === kejava [n=kejava@pool-68-163-59-97.phil.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Bart11 [n=tina@58.69.75.251] has joined #edubuntu [04:17] hello all! [04:17] hi Bart11 !! [04:17] ;) [04:17] it is good to see such enthusiasm at the end of my tiring day [04:18] where you from mhz? [04:18] Chile [04:18] you? [04:19] oh ok.. it's just 11:20am here in the philippines [04:19] what time is is there? [04:19] 00:19 [04:19] and I have been at the computer since 09:00 am [04:19] :( [04:20] wow.. what have you been doing?? coding? [04:21] Bart11: nope, helping some guys in a couple of IRC channels, translating stuff, doing some artwork, taking care of my daughter and house, giving love to some documents [04:21] that's alot of work [04:22] yup [04:22] but i love it [04:23] esp, because it's for free :D [04:23] cool [04:23] hey need your opinion.. what would you recommend as min sys req for a standalone workstation? [04:31] 'min sys req' ?? [04:35] minimum system to run edubuntu as a stand alone workstation [04:35] aahhh [04:36] so for just a Desktop use? [04:37] yup [04:38] 128 MB of Ram or up, 450 or 500 MHz, 4 GB [04:39] ok, thanx, hw about a server fr 2 thin clients, and the sys req for a thin client? [04:40] i'm asking coz im thinking of installing it on my kids sch. [04:43] yup [04:43] good idea [04:43] well, as a server, you have to understand that it demands RAM, netwrok bandwith and HD work [04:45] i was thinking of just a command line server for 2 thin clients [04:47] i looked at their old pc and they are really old, one is a 486dx2 66, the other is like a P100, and another pc that i still have to check next week. [04:47] server: 256 base RAM + 128 p/each client attached, at least 1 GHz [04:47] i'm kinda wieghing opions for them, they have around 10 -15 students only, so they dont have a budget [04:48] clients: at least 48 MB RAM [04:48] ideally, NIC's supporting PXE [04:48] however you can use floppies to boot [04:48] ok,, thanx for the input [04:50] i think i'll just get them to get 2 old pc as standalone workstations... thanx [04:50] i can get away with a 3.2gb hd ryt? [04:53] hehehe [04:53] yup, why not [04:54] thanx... [04:54] yw [04:54] 128 ram and 450mhz and 3.2gb, thanx === jsgotangco starts edubuntu amd64 test === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-152-30.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.178] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-152-30.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.24.39.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === superset1 [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook is now known as ogra === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp228-224.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:12] hello kamping_kaiser, thanx for the help yesterday [09:12] hi Bart11, hows it going now? [09:12] no worries, btw [09:12] its great my kid liked it [09:12] cool :) [09:13] i fixed the resulution by editing the xorg.config file manulally so it's at 1024x768 now [09:14] i'll check out my kids sch pc's next week if i can install it on their pcs [09:14] gcompris? or edubuntu? [09:14] edubuntu [09:15] how do you find it (i havent looked at it yet) [09:17] it's at /etc/x11/xorg.conf [09:17] another guy help me yesterday [09:18] nah, it=edubuntu ;) [09:18] WOOHOO! I get my Lab parts on Friday! [09:19] $530 from the computer junk yard. [09:19] its in edubuntu.org [09:20] TOZTWO: :) [09:21] I'm gonna have 8 nodes in the lab, 2 nodes outside for when people have to work on something, but we're having class, 1 node in Bishop's office, and 1 node in the conference room for presentaions. [09:22] I got PII 400s for $15 each! [09:25] lucky for you toztwo === Ibalon [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu [09:26] kamping_kaiser: u havn't gotten edubuntu yet? [09:26] Bart11: no. [09:26] it's nice [09:26] I just discoverd the computer recycle guy, and he's been here for 5 years already. [09:27] where you from toztwo? [09:27] He's got a big warehouse full of old der systems. [09:27] Texas. [09:27] $15 for an entire cpu? === Kamping_Kaiser clicks download (i keep forgetting) [09:28] $15 for PII systems. [09:28] proc/mb/ram/hd/case/ps?? [09:28] Monitor, keyboard mouse, VGA card, Sound card...... [09:28] wish there are places like that here in the phils [09:30] PII 400-450(Couple of PIIIs), 32 Mb RAM, CDROM, Floppy, even the HDs, because it's too much trouble to take them out.... [09:30] TOZTWO, you'll need more ram [09:31] do you think he can ship it to the phils if i ordered? [09:31] ubuntu ltsp needs 64MB minimum [09:31] but he has ram for sale too? [09:31] Uh-oh! [09:31] (not true, 48MB work (kindof) but 64MB is recommended) [09:32] 32 megs are cheap. [09:32] He's got boxes of them. [09:32] I might get 12 sticks for $15. [09:33] ogra, are we still using gartoon? [09:33] does he have a website? can you give me his contact details? i have a 2nd cuz there in texas [09:33] jsgotangco, for the young theme, yes ... [09:34] gartoon's not the default then? [09:34] we have already the ability to switch between 3 themes in edubuntu-artwork, but there is no artwork yet [09:34] Bart11, No web site yet, he barely stays afloat, but I'll get the phone number for you. [09:34] nope, i wanted to make the mid age the default ... no idea which icon theme we'll choose for this ... i think gnome default [09:35] ok thanks [09:35] toztwo, thanx... [09:35] toztwo, his address would be nice too... [09:35] His name is Jonathan Harris, the company is Harris Distribution LLC. Temple Texas. [09:35] brb [09:36] jsgotangco, we'll get professional artwork for the default theme ... i havent seen anything of it yet (silbs job) [09:36] okay === Ibalon is now known as zakame [09:37] Whoa! He does have a website.! [09:37] http://www.hdg-llc.com/services [09:37] hello jsgotangco, ur from teh phils right? [09:37] http://www.hdg-llc.com/contact_us [09:37] Bart11, hi [09:38] Bart11, as well as zakame [09:38] cool [09:38] do you know a good place to get cheap surplus pcs?? [09:38] HMR [09:40] Bart11: there's HMR at mandaluyong [09:40] i've been there it still is quite steep [09:40] toztwo: thanx [09:41] i dunno any place cheaper than that [09:41] ok thanx [09:41] According to the website, they've been there three years. [09:42] thanx toztwo [09:43] Harris' dad worked at L3 coding and just started working at the shop, I guess he's started working on the website. [09:43] "Until October of 2002, my son, Jonathan and I began discussing the task of building a family business." [09:44] cool [09:45] i'll ask my cuz if she can get me some and send it by mail [09:47] She's from a local city? [09:47] JaneW, don't remove kdedu! [09:48] don't push to remove rather [09:48] nt really sure where she lives, i'll mail her later [09:48] jsgotangco, she isnt, i am [09:48] heh [09:48] :/ [09:48] it seems to make sense [09:48] esp from a sizing perspective and ppl ask questions about it [09:48] like why we on Gnome if the apps are all KDE etc... [09:48] jsgotangco, 1-200MB CD space for 5 apps is not really making sense [09:49] what's kdedu? [09:49] oh well you're the engineer :/ [09:49] jsgotangco, it wont be dropped in dapper, but its one of my targets for dapper+1 to find sane replacements for most of the stuff [09:49] yeah [09:49] I've been thinking abot the Gnome + KDE duality also. [09:50] Can the apps be ported? [09:50] jsgotangco, as i said in the meeting yesterday, ppc and amd64 are constantly breaking [09:50] nope [09:50] sadly not [09:50] but there are replacements for most of them ... [09:50] they are lacking features the KDE ones have though [09:50] it'll need an inclusion report though [09:51] So GPeriodic is not a port of Kalzium? [09:52] Wow! [09:52] gperiodic is a tool on its own [09:52] Now that I look at them side by side, I see that GPeriodic needs some work. [09:52] yup [09:53] its fine for the task, but lacks some of the cool features kalzium has [09:53] (i.e. the timeline stuff to see when which element was discovered is a very noteable one) [09:54] qt and gtk are very different from each other? So that the apps wopuld be hard to port? === Kamping_Kaiser discovers hes not on the edubuntu email list - but im *sure* i joined it :/ [09:54] oh,m i have joined it :/ [09:55] but i havent got any email from it [09:55] (My favorite Kalzium feature is the temperature slider) [09:56] Kamping_Kaiser, pretty low traffic ... [09:56] make some noise if you like ;) [09:57] ;) *emails asking howto install wi8ndows on the thin client* [09:57] hey guyz, kinda noob, just like to ask y did edubuntu go for gnome rather than kde? [09:58] Ubuntu uses Gnome, edubuntu is based on ubuntu. [09:58] because gnome takes about 20MB less memory for ltsp on the desktop ... its the default in ubuntu and we have the backing of the whole ubuntu team for it [09:58] oh ok, so kde is more resource hungry then? [09:58] if we had gone for KDE, the ltsp server would have to be a bit bigger (memory wise) and KDE has only one developer working on it (as edubuntu has) [09:59] <3 Gnome [10:00] additionally i dont know much about KDE programming ... would give me a hard time to care for it here :) [10:00] hey ogra, where you from? [10:00] germany [10:01] cool [10:01] just out of curiousity, is janeW the only female here?? [10:02] dunno, the others hide behind their nicks :) [10:02] hahahha [10:02] I think others pop in from time to time [10:02] but it's hard to tell === jsgotangco would rather keep it a secret [10:02] there were a few females teachers here a while ago [10:02] and that troll - but that was prolly a male === TOZTWO is now known as TOZchic [10:03] jsgotangco, so you are secretly femaleish ? [10:03] ic [10:03] ;) [10:03] bwahaha [10:03] it could be JanEW, so a bloke ;) [10:03] Where did I leave my skirt? [10:03] lol === TOZchic is now known as TOZII [10:03] heh [10:03] yes I am a male [10:03] i actually use edubuntu to lure the younger population [10:03] ask ogra [10:03] LOL [10:03] ok that didn't sound good === Kamping_Kaiser tries to bite back an email to ubuntu-devel about tip of the day rubish [10:03] jsgotangco: sis! [10:04] lol === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW is always 'one of the guys' [10:05] btw guyz and gals behind the dev, great job on edubuntu, i'll spread the word. my kid likes it, and i'll probably give a demo on her school next wek or so [10:05] week [10:05] cool [10:05] Bart11, it's aprivate school? [10:05] yup [10:06] but is quite a small school, 10 to 15 students === konfuzed [n=KonfuzeD@H135.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu [10:06] I used to work at a Charter school, and they wouldn't let me do anything. [10:06] 10, 15, 20, doesn't matter [10:06] spread the love [10:06] Public schools are works. [10:06] works = worse. [10:07] I'm promoting to churches. [10:07] hey jane, ur in africa, right? [10:07] Bart11: awesome [10:07] Bart11: how's Homer? [10:07] Bart11: yup... Cape Town to be exact [10:08] Homer? [10:08] he's quite fine, jsut drunk in the sofa wathcning tv... hhhe [10:08] Bart11: heh [10:08] giggle === TOZII is drunk at the keyboard [10:08] ;-) [10:10] janeW: got some slogans or posters that i can use?? [10:10] yeah 'save the whales!' [10:10] 'Don't do drugs' [10:10] i'll got to my old shchool next month and show it them, the sys admin is a close friend of mine [10:11] i mean fro edubuntu... hehhehe [10:11] seriusly we don;t yet have edubuntu branded promo material [10:11] oh ok. [10:11] JaneW, i can be your poster boy [10:11] we d have this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing [10:12] what the hell is wrong with my typing today? It's usually bad, but not THIS bad... [10:13] thanx jane [10:15] Will Breezy update to Dapper? [10:16] what do you mean? Can you upgrade from one to the other? Yes. [10:16] sure [10:16] I mean without reinstalling. [10:17] You would upgrade just like with the critical updates? [10:17] i'm not yet sure if you have to recreate the thin client chroot or not ... i'll do my best to preserve the upgrade path here (would be only one command anyway) but the changes are pretty heavy ... [10:17] TOZII: it basicly reinstalls your sytem, but it does it keeping all your settings and the same applictions [10:17] the distro itself will be flawless to upgrade ... === jsgotangco crosses fingers [10:18] If dapper has Gimpshop rather than Gimp, and I update Breezy...... ? [10:18] jsgotangco, no need to :) [10:18] dapper doesnt have gimpshop === jsgotangco crosses fingers of family [10:18] gimpshops a hack [10:19] But easier for n00bz [10:19] and if dapper would have gimpshop, there are ways to tell the system that its a replacement for gimp ... [10:19] dont worry === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-141-157-88-80.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:20] I just didn't want to recreate 50 accounts, and/or backup and restore. [10:21] the only worrying bit is the thin client nfs root ... i removed so many things to make it less memory hungry and boot faster that it might be necessary to rm -f /opt/ltsp/i386 and run ltsp-build-client again ... [10:21] but thats only for booting the thin clients and trivial to do ... [10:21] Only once on the server right. [10:21] yup [10:22] Coolbeans. [10:22] you can upgrade it without wiping it, but there most likely would stuff remain that slows down the improvements [10:22] so for the full experience, wiping will be better ... [10:23] i'll write it all up in the upgrade notes once we're this far :) [10:23] Someone will prolly write a script for those of us with lesser skillz, or at least a how-to. [10:23] thanx. [10:24] sudo rm -f /opt/ltsp/i386 && sudo ltsp-build-client [10:24] thats the script already ;) [10:24] ll now that was quick :-p [10:24] Can I double click on it? [10:24] heh === TOZII comes from a Winders world. [10:24] you could wrap a .desktop file around it ... :) [10:25] put it in a file called whateveryou nameit.sh [10:25] then its double clickable [10:25] nvm then... [10:25] yes, or put it in a shellscript :) [10:26] A shellscript is an executable text file? [10:27] yeah [10:27] If so, I wrote a couple that switch out the logos and layouts for Solar Wolf to explain the benefits of OSS. [10:28] someone whould make quick scripts :-p [10:28] all it does is be a fontend ot a script repository [10:28] One double click and the videogame is "rebranded" with the Church'es logo. [10:28] what videogame? [10:28] Solar wolf. [10:29] ohhh :-p [10:29] It's a Python game, so it's easy to edit. [10:29] don't yul ove python :-p [10:29] you love* [10:29] even easier ... find the location of the pictures and just replace them :) [10:30] or get a plugin for gimp to do it [10:30] (as long as they have same size and name it will just work) [10:30] :_p [10:30] Actually, that's what I did, but wiht a double clickable executable text file on the desktop. [10:30] bbl. food [10:31] hope there is some email to reply to when i get back :P [10:31] A simple file renaming script.... [10:31] But to them, it was "Magic" [10:31] The Magic of open source. [10:32] http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ [10:32] thats a good starting point if you want to do scripting [10:33] They understand it a whole lot better when they see it happen. [10:33] "Wow! You wrote this videogame for the chuch?!?!?" [10:34] "Nope, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants." [10:36] "Nope, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants." - arn't like 99.999% of coders ;-) [10:37] Real coders. [10:37] Or is that real world coders. [10:38] hey signifier: thnx for the help yesterday [10:38] No Problem Bart11 [10:39] Edubuntu workstation doesn't recognize floppy drives? [10:39] it was easier to edit the config file rather than sun the reconfigure thing [10:39] idk...pretty all the coders that don't work on the cpu [10:39] ohhh...:-p [10:40] sun=run heheh [10:40] sorry then...the reconfigure thing helped me out when my gfx stopped working [10:40] I only run it on a laptop without a floppy, but Bishop says that his workstation doesn't recognize his floppy. [10:40] :-P [10:40] oh ok... [10:40] really? [10:40] lemme graba floppy one sec [10:41] TOZII, there was a bug ... its fixed in breezy-updates ... make sure you have the updates enabled in synaptic, it should install a new version of pmount [10:41] Ah! [10:42] he doesn't have an internet connectin at home. [10:42] well i guess I ahve it then becuase it works for me (as root) [10:42] I'll let him know. [10:43] pmount is trivially small ... pull it down on your computer and copy the pmount package from /var/cache/apt/archive to the same directory on his machine to install it ... [10:43] take a CD if floppy or usbstick dont work [10:43] its download is 36.5 kb [10:43] He lost his Serial for Word, I told him to use OpenOffice, he said that OO doesn't recognize his floppy...... [10:44] lol [10:44] He bought a used copy of Works, that required a 20 digit serial that he didn't have........... [10:45] i think edubuntu is th eonly ubuntu variant that still has a big userbase with floppies and serial mice out there :) [10:45] I asked him again, why don't you just use Open Office? [10:45] which is why i like it :) [10:45] lol [10:45] does works run on wine? [10:46] office runs on wine, so i'd guess works does too [10:46] I dunno, but I've got his machine on dual boot, XP Home and Edubuntu Workstation.... [10:46] ohh... [10:46] Finally, I remind him that OO is multi platform. [10:46] ohhhth at low grade version of office [10:47] :-p [10:47]