[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:19] <sealne> Tm_T: out of interest what did you do for debug?
[12:20] <Tm_T> sealne: enabled debug to Kopete build
[12:20] <sealne> yeah how?
[12:20] <Tm_T> debian/rules
[12:21] <Tm_T> added DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS = --enable-debug
[12:21] <Tm_T> that's how I was advised
[12:22] <Tm_T> anyway, packages compiling, now sleep ->
[12:24] <sealne> ah
[12:28] <Tonio_> hum anyone here using kdebluetooth ?
[12:52] <allee> Tonio_: yes, but only for mouse, keyboard and ISDN.  Not mobile
[12:52] <allee> + telefon
[12:57] <Tonio_> allee: okay, so you never got issues with pincode ;)
[01:01] <allee> ISDN box uses them.  Ah, I've a script that automaticly feed the pincode if required.  I can test default next week end if necessary
[01:30] <allee> Tonio_: mhhhm, afaiu, recent hcid does support dbus, in this case right thing would be for let right kdebluetooth listen on dbus.  Once this was Fred (upstream) plan.  But it looks like there no work done yet in this direction :(
[01:31] <Tonio_> allee: hurh, I don't have bluez-pin installed too.....
[01:31] <Tonio_> I didn't thought about looking at that........
[01:31] <Tonio_> lol
[01:31] <allee> Tonio_: maybe ubuntu-desktop has in in it's dependency tree??
[01:32] <Tonio_> hum
[01:32] <Tonio_> need to look
[01:32] <allee> Tonio_: or gnome already uses dbus ;)
[01:32] <Tonio_> wait
[01:34] <Tonio_> allee: ubuntu-desktop has it
[01:34] <Tonio_> it is a dependancy issue on kdebluetooth package in fact........
[01:34] <Tonio_> I should correct my bug report ;)
[01:34] <allee> Tonio_: mhm, depends in README is listed to replace pinhelper ;)
[01:35] <JRe> Tonio_: when you'll have time you can play with Keep 0.3.0 ;)
[01:35] <Tonio_> JRe: k
[01:35] <Tonio_> ;)
[01:35] <Tonio_> done tomorow
[01:35] <JRe> :)
[01:35] <allee> Serously, bluez-pin is ugly like hell.  I would prefer a solution that chooses pinhelper depending on DE
[01:36] <Tonio_> allee: for the future yes, but it could be nice to have that dep issue fiexed before dapper is out no ?
[01:37] <Tonio_> allee: my suggestion is to make kdebluetooth use it's own kbluepin
[01:37] <Tonio_> works like a charm
[01:37] <allee> Tonio_: how about pinhelper being a little wrapper like: [ -x /usr/bin/bluez-bin ]  && exec /usr/bin/bluez-pin; kdebluepin;
[01:38] <allee> ugly but would work with ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[01:41] <Tonio_> allee: yes but ugly
[01:41] <Tonio_> and I don't imagin canonical modifying their setting because it works fine ;)
[01:42] <Tonio_> I know you would like to see the maximum configuration merged to be *buntu compatible, but it is unfortunately working like that at the moment
[01:45] <Tonio_> allee: the fact is that actually, ubuntu-desktop has a dep on kbluez-pin and kubuntu-desktop doesn't....
[01:45] <Tonio_> so the best way to make things working with minimum changes is probably to had a new dep no ?
[01:48] <allee> Grrr, yes, but a little wrapper that does the same is that much more afford (and afair, kdebluepin rembers pincodes, but I may be wrong)
[01:48] <allee> 'not that much more work' that is
[05:09] <jjesse> by default the kubuntu desktop is empty of icons correct?
[05:14] <freeflying> jjesse: y
[05:15] <jjesse> thanks
[05:26] <jjesse> is Kontact deemed the default email client/PIM for Kubuntu/
[05:26] <jjesse> ?
[05:32] <freeflying> jjesse: sure
[06:00] <jsgotangco> BEST BUG EVER
[07:09] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/
[08:39] <freeflying> Tm_T: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121635
[08:39] <Tm_T> ubuntu packages :)
[08:40] <freeflying> Tm_T: :)
[08:41] <Tm_T> freeflying: it IS 0.12 right?
[08:41] <freeflying> or shall I change to 0.11-91?
[08:41] <Tm_T> nah, it's ok this way
[08:42] <Tm_T> bug confirmed with some comments ;)
[08:43] <Tm_T> freeflying: thank you, keep testing, that's very important what you're doing
[08:49] <freeflying> Riddell: ping 
[08:49] <freeflying> Riddell: do you have something for introducing kubuntu
[08:51] <freeflying> or anyone have something for introducing kubuntu at meeting
[08:54] <Tm_T> freeflying: what you mean? you have brand new Kopete to show ;)
[08:55] <Tm_T> freeflying: also, I can give an nice pic of myself, so you can show "even ugly can use it, so why can't you"
[08:55] <Tm_T> ;--P
[08:55] <freeflying> Tm_T: I will attend CanonicalAsiaTour/Shanghai's meeting 
[08:56] <Tm_T> oh
[08:56] <freeflying> so I want to introduce kubuntu to more users 
[08:56] <Tm_T> so you need something higly promotional
[08:56] <freeflying> Tm_T: yup
[08:56] <Tm_T> sir Riddell is your man then I think
[08:56] <Tm_T> freeflying: + you could show Kopete there ;)
[08:56] <Tm_T> and amaroK !
[08:57] <Tm_T> and say to them "Kubuntu will have latest and greatest versions of these apps"
[08:57] <freeflying> Tm_T: hehe
[08:57] <freeflying> Tm_T: it's seems dapper-ppc can not work fine now 
[08:58] <Tm_T> :(
[08:59] <freeflying> Tm_T: seems I'd use osx for show  ^_^
[08:59] <Riddell> freeflying: powerpc live CD was working for me
[09:00] <freeflying> Riddell: hope the sound problem can be solved quickly
[09:00] <Tm_T> what you think, should I buy ppc laptop?
[09:01] <freeflying> Tm_T: you may buy a mat-tel laptop now  
[09:01] <Tm_T> freeflying: well, I need cheap as possible
[09:01] <freeflying> Riddell: do you have ppt for show
[09:03] <Riddell> freeflying: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/below-zero.odp
[09:03] <Riddell> kpresenter format
[09:03] <Tm_T> odp <3
[09:03] <Tm_T> actually...
[09:03] <Tm_T> OD <3
[09:03] <Riddell> I doubt it works in openoffice very well
[09:05] <Tm_T> same here :p
[09:08] <freeflying> OOo keeps crashing hin my system 
[09:09] <freeflying> Riddell: would you mind that I modify the file
[09:10] <Riddell> freeflying: go ahead
[09:24] <freeflying> Tm_T: may I spread kopete-0.12 package 
[09:24] <Tm_T> freeflying: ok
[09:25] <Tm_T> freeflying: I hope we step to beta soon
[09:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: I hear that some Kubuntu t-shirts are been prepared...
[09:44] <Riddell> jpatrick: ?  not to my knowledge
[09:44] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu-es.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13
[09:44] <jpatrick> :)
[09:46] <Riddell> cool
[09:48] <freeflying> jpatrick: just preparing ?
[09:48] <jpatrick> freeflying: I think they're deciding on the design
[09:49] <jpatrick> freeflying: that's what they did for the KDE ones before
[10:12] <Riddell> JRe!
[10:12] <Riddell> JRe: sivang was just looking at keep
[10:13] <Riddell> JRe: sivang is doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup
[10:14] <JRe> Riddell: seems interesting
[10:15] <JRe> Riddell: I hope you'll like Keep 0.3.0 ;)
[10:15] <Riddell> JRe: when is it due?
[10:15] <JRe> Riddell: yesterday
[10:15] <JRe> Riddell: it have error, logfile and notificatioin management
[10:16] <Riddell> ooh, rocking, I see it there
[10:16] <Riddell> is tonio packaging it?
[10:16] <JRe> Riddell: yes :)
[10:16] <Riddell> ok, I'll wait for that
[10:22] <Riddell> sivang: JRe just release 0.3.0 yesterday, http://jr.falleri.free.fr/keep/wiki/Download
[10:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: ooh, have to use that to backup my .kde :)
[10:25] <JRe> Tm_T: there is Kamion to save KDE settings
[10:26] <Tm_T> JRe: there's lot more than just settings in my .kde
[10:26] <Riddell> kamion?
[10:26] <JRe> Tm_T: kamion saves also your data
[10:27] <JRe> Riddell, Tm_T: it was a summer of code project
[10:27] <Tm_T> hmm, differences between keep and kamion?
[10:27] <JRe> Tm_T: keep is backup soft, Kamion user data migration
[10:28] <JRe> Tm_T: but i plan to steal the functiounalities of Kamion to put them in Keep ;)
[10:28] <Tm_T> JRe: so keep sounds more suitable to my needs
[10:28] <JRe> Tm_T: ok ;)
[10:28] <sivang> Riddell: cool, I'll take a look.
[10:28] <sivang> JRe: is your keep program backs up to removable media?
[10:29] <JRe> sivang:  ok see you later i have to go
[10:29] <JRe> sivang: but for that question: not already
[10:30] <sivang> JRe: okay, thanks.
[10:34] <Tm_T> JRe: also, you wanted to test new kopete packages?
[10:57] <Tm_T> argh, jingle support in dapper, lost
[11:00] <freeflying> Tm_T: popup of kopete can not display correctly now 
[11:00] <Tm_T> ok
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: hello ;) I can provide a postinst script for the kdebluetoothpackage, changing the value to kbluepin, which seems to do a good job ;)
[11:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: it shouldn't be a postinst script
[11:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: postinst scripts should be avoided for /etc files if possible
[11:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: but a script which checks for existance of bluez-pin or kbluepin and runs one as appropriate would be great
[11:15] <Riddell> also check for $KDE_FULL_SESSION
[11:15] <Riddell> and whatever the gnome equivalent is
[11:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: any news about newest boot fun? kde and gnome get booted at the same time
[11:17] <freeflying> Riddell: now we recommend people use kdesu in kubuntu istead of sudo ?
[11:18] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[11:18] <Riddell> Tm_T: huh?
[11:18] <Riddell> freeflying: for kde programmes 
[11:18] <Tm_T> Riddell: haven't tried myself yet, but heard many complaints after newest upgrades
[11:19] <Riddell> Tm_T: oh, gnome autostart stuff?
[11:19] <Riddell> should be fixed in latest kdelibs
[11:19] <Tm_T> ok
[11:19] <jsgotangco> KNOME
[11:19] <Riddell> gnome started putting files in /usr/share/autostart
[11:19] <Tm_T> aah
[11:19] <jsgotangco> aka "BEST BUG EVER"
[11:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: sounds evil
[11:20] <freeflying> Riddell: how about this bug #30432 on lauchpad
[11:20] <mornfall> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's perfecly sensible, I just need to modify KDE to ignore the gnome files and set KDE files to be OnlyShowIn=KDE
[11:21] <Riddell> and hunger's patch works so I'm putting that upstream now
[11:21] <mornfall> Riddell: when i looked in how to make autostarty stuff for adept-notifier, i thought "eh, /usr/share/autostart, wondering when we have a conflict with gnome"... and now here we go :)
[11:22] <Riddell> mornfall: last week or two only :)
[11:24] <Riddell> freeflying: do you know if they are using breezy or dapper
[11:24] <Riddell> ?
[11:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: and you're packaging keep 0.3.0?
[11:26] <freeflying> Riddell: dapper
[11:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: so fix is already in dapper?
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: just finished a postinst file for kdebluetooth
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work correctly, want it by email ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> oups sorry I didn't read upper, let me check
[11:36] <Tm_T> freeflying: ok, did you install package with or without jingle?
[11:37] <freeflying> Tm_T: what is the name of jingle'package
[11:37] <Tm_T> there's jingle mentioned in packages name
[11:37] <Tm_T> but, looks like it doesn't work as expected, so it's removed now
[11:38] <Tm_T> freeflying: willing to reinstall kopete? to test repository
[11:38] <Tm_T> deb http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete/ /
[11:39] <freeflying> Tm_T: no package named jingle 
[11:39] <Tm_T> freeflying: good
[11:39] <Tm_T> should not be
[11:39] <Tm_T> freeflying: you did apt-cache search jingle ?
[11:40] <freeflying> Tm_T: aptitude search jingle 
[11:40] <Tm_T> ok
[11:40] <Tm_T> good enough
[11:40] <Tm_T> freeflying: please test that repository ;)
[11:40] <freeflying> Tm_T: ok
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: hcid.conf file is provided by the bluez-utils package...
[11:41] <Tonio_> there is about nothing in kdebluetooth related to it, no code, no variable...
[11:41] <Tm_T> freeflying: thanks
[11:42] <freeflying> Tm_T: have u removed the dependency on xmms
[11:42] <Tm_T> freeflying: ah, not sure! doublecheck it
[11:47] <freeflying> Tm_T: still depend on xmms and no jigle found 
[11:47] <freeflying> s/jigle/jingle
[11:47] <Tm_T> freeflying: yes, I can't compile jingle support anymore at all
[11:48] <Tm_T> freeflying: otherwise, seems to work?
[11:49] <freeflying> Tm_T: works like hrs ago
[11:49] <Tm_T> good
[11:51] <Tm_T> freeflying: ok, I'll add one line and remake package, keep your pants up ;)
[11:51] <freeflying> Tm_T: :)
[12:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, we can change bluez-utils
[12:09] <Riddell> to call a script, which calls bluez-pin or kbluepin as appropriate
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm actually packaging keep 0.3.0, and I'll have a look at the bluez-utils toonight
[12:21] <Riddell> great, thanks
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I will prepare a little documentation for the changes I did in kubuntu-default-settings for the meeting... some points may need several personn's point of view I think...
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: just receive a response from netswitch upstream, they are gonna boot the kde frontend and trying to release a version for the 19-20,
[12:26] <Tonio_> that will let us 3 days for packaging/testing. sounds good news ;)
[12:28] <Tonio_> yop raphinou :)
[12:28] <Riddell> boot?
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/boot/boost
[12:29] <Tonio_> they are trying to release a version before the freeze
[12:29] <Riddell> hmm, I'll still believe it when I see it :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe ! I know :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> raphink: did you finally convert HoPhp ? I saw a new kubuntu fr member :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> hi dholbach ;)
[12:30] <dholbach> Could somebody of you add something to  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay ?
[12:30] <raphink> haha yes ;)
[12:30] <dholbach> Something you'd like Bug triagers to work on?
[12:30] <dholbach> Something specific.
[12:31] <dholbach> hi Tonio_
[12:31] <dholbach> I'm going to announce it now.
[12:31] <raphink> bug #1
[12:31] <raphink> anyone to work specifically on bug #1 ?
[12:31] <raphink> ;)
[12:31] <Tonio_> hum Riddell may the kdebluetooth issue go in it ? 
[12:31] <Tonio_> that's a major issue for kubuntu...
[12:32] <Lathiat> whats the bluetooth issue?
[12:32] <Lathiat> i havent tried use mine recently
[12:32] <Tonio_> Lathiat: by default it is configured to use kbluez-pin, which is not installed on kubuntu
[12:32] <Lathiat> ah
[12:32] <Tonio_> because it ships to many gnome depandancies
[12:32] <Lathiat> ah
[12:32] <Lathiat> i see
[12:33] <Lathiat> we could implement a kde version
[12:33] <Tonio_> so a patch would be required o  bluez-utils package to detect if gnome or kde is used and provide the good pin_helper
[12:33] <Lathiat> dbus_pin_helper
[12:33] <Lathiat> ^^ thatd be life easier :)
[12:33] <Lathiat> dbus_pin_helper
[12:33] <Tonio_> the problem is that what needs to be patches isn't kdebluetooth package...
[12:34] <Tonio_> Lathiat: I don't think that feature is mature at the moment.... according to allee, is was supposed tobe implemeted, but not really working at the moment
[12:34] <Lathiat> Tonio_: the dbus?
[12:34] <Riddell> Lathiat: there is a kde version, kbluepin
[12:35] <Tonio_> nope, but the kdebluetooth frontend doesn't manage to work nice with, if my understanding is correct
[12:35] <Riddell> kdebluetooth doesn't work nicely with kbluepin?
[12:35] <allee> Lathiat: dbus_pin_helper was (is??) a daemon running all the time in background. Firing up a pin dialog when needed
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: it works perfectly
[12:35] <allee> Riddell: works great
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: so just a script to call the right pin program will solve it
[12:36] <Riddell> easy peasy
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, on the bluez-utils package
[12:36] <Riddell> sure, add the script to bluez-utils, no problem, I can upload
[12:36] <Tonio_> but can the bug be added to the ubuntu bug day, or do you prefer that we work on that on our own ?
[12:36] <allee> skeleton: [ -x /usr/bin/bluez-bin ]  && exec /usr/bin/bluez-pin; kdebluepin;
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I'l work on that toonight :) priority n1
[12:37] <Lathiat> does kdebluepin exist?
[12:37] <Tonio_> -x ? not -e ?
[12:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: do it whenever but tonight would be best :)
[12:37] <Tonio_> Lathiat: it is provided with kdebluetooth
[12:37] <Riddell> Lathiat: yes, in /usr/lib/kdebluetooth
[12:38] <allee> Riddell: btw AFAIR $KDE_FULL_SESSION is not set with startkde, right?  No a checking it is suboptimal
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: keep uploading on revu, fyi ;)
[12:39] <Riddell> allee: it is set with startkde
[12:40] <allee> _If_ kbluepin needs kdebluetoothd (never checked tried) dcop | grep -q kdebluetooth && echo I\'m here
[12:40] <allee> Riddell: ah, good.
[12:41] <Riddell> that would work too
[12:42] <allee> Riddell: your solution is better is someone stopped kbluetoothd and kbluepin works without. Mine is better when kdebluepin replies on running kbluetoothd
[12:42] <allee> Tonio_: can you check this?  No pin needing BT device currently here
[12:45] <Lathiat> cool
[12:45] <Lathiat> i can test
[12:46] <allee> Lathiat: thx.
[12:47] <Lathiat> which bit do you want me to test
[12:47] <Lathiat> the above script to call kdebluepin if bleuzpin isnt there?
[12:50] <freeflying> Riddell: daper-live-ppc can work for you now ?
[12:51] <Riddell> freeflying: it worked yesterday
[12:51] <Riddell> but no sound still
[12:51] <freeflying> Riddell: no sound , netconf can not work 
[12:53] <Riddell> oh yes, dhcp was broken too
[12:53] <Riddell> you need to set the network manually
[12:54] <freeflying> Riddell: can not set it from system settings
[12:54] <freeflying> Riddell: it will crash 
[12:59] <Tonio_> allee: I don't have mu blueooth key and my laptop dosn't provide bluetooh.... sorry
[01:01] <Riddell> freeflying: hmm, ok, I'll look into that
[01:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ah, so i'm not the only one who had that problem
[01:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: on i386?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, i filed a bug for it, but now that wlan0 is actually working, i can get to that configure screen fine
[01:03] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I've noticed your bug 
[01:03] <Hobbsee> of course on i386 - i only have my machine
[01:05] <allee> Tonio_: for hug day: already known/reported: 'kdesu konsole' session management broken. konqueror doesn't remember to show bookmarks toolsbar.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ok, it's weird - because it's not happening now
[01:06] <allee> + with  saved profile
[01:07] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I'm using 20060208's dapper-live-ppc 
[01:08] <mornfall> is soyuz source to be gotten somewhere? i can't seem to find it
[01:08] <allee> mornfall: no.  closed source
[01:10] <mornfall> interesting
[01:43] <dholbach> Can some of you #ubuntu-bugs?
[01:43] <dholbach> The first Kubuntu bug triager arrived already.
[01:43] <dholbach> And he'd be happy to help out, so help him to help out. :-)
[01:44] <Riddell> dholbach: who's that?
[01:44] <dholbach> Ralph is his name
[01:55] <Tm_T> freeflying: update & upgrade, repository updated
[02:00] <Tm_T> freeflying: and report if I managed to remove xmms dependency
[02:02] <freeflying> Tm_T: still depend on xmms . And why suggest gnomemeeting
[02:02] <Tm_T> :o
[02:02] <Tm_T> should not
[02:03] <Tm_T> ok, I give up fro today, keep testing ;)
[02:03] <Tm_T> enuff ->
[03:18] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[03:20] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[03:20] <Mez> Riddell: is it ok for me to merge konv 0.19 from debian?
[03:21] <Riddell> Mez: what's the gain?
[03:22] <Mez> less delta  :D
[03:22] <Mez> and nate's made a -dbg package which could be useful
[03:23] <Riddell> I'd rather wait until after dapper
[03:23] <Riddell> else we'd be spending half our lives merging
[03:25] <Mez> fair enough
[04:53] <freeflying> Riddell: how about backport skim to breezy 
[05:10] <Mez> freeflying, surely it relies on the latest verso of scim
[05:10] <Mez> which cant be backported
[05:14] <Riddell> freeflying: Mez knows more about backports than I do but I'd say there's too much needs packported.  scim, qt, immodule-qt etc
[05:14] <Mez> scim cant be backported
[05:14] <Mez> unless we put a lot of hack fu
[05:15] <Riddell> Mez: how is 3.5.1 backporting getting on?
[05:16] <Mez> tis going ok
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> Any news yet on printing with kde and dapper?
[05:36] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: I havn't seen any activity
[05:57] <Riddell> hello jmarrero 
[05:57] <Riddell> JRe: keep 0.3 is a work of genius
[05:59] <Riddell> JRe: any objections to me uploading?
[05:59] <robotgeek> phew, i tht the meeting was today. it's next week, lol
[06:01] <jmarrero> Riddell the screenshoots of dapper new installtion via live cd is very nice :)
[06:02] <Riddell> well, it's not that exciting :)
[06:02] <Riddell> as screenshots go
[06:03] <mornfall> :-)
[06:03] <jmarrero> :(
[06:04] <jmarrero> well I will like to see the final product:)
[06:04] <Riddell> me too :)
[06:06] <jmarrero> :)
[06:06] <jpatrick> hello jmarrero 
[06:07] <jmarrero> hello jpatric :)
[06:07] <jmarrero> btw the new live cd it starts in a dutch or soemthing like that
[06:07] <jmarrero> It does not have english by default
[06:07] <jpatrick> odd
[06:08] <jmarrero> also I changed the lenguage to english american and it booted up on other lenguage also...
[06:08] <jmarrero> so I dont know if that is happening to all people
[06:08] <jmarrero> but at lest it does to me ( the new live cd of breeezy kde 3.5.1 and koffice 1.5 beta1
[06:10] <Riddell> oh, that's amu setting it to german
[06:10] <Riddell> which he didn't tell me about
[06:11] <Riddell> hmm, wonder if I should include example-contents in kubuntu
[06:58] <jpatrick> how do I copy a file in debian/rules with cdbs?
[07:01] <Riddell> add an install target and copy it
[07:01] <Riddell> install::
[07:02] <Riddell>      cp foo debian/mypackage/foo
[07:02] <jpatrick> I'm doing "binary-install/kmplayer-app::"
[07:02] <jpatrick>      cp src/kmplayerrc debian/tmp/usr/share/config/kmplayerrc
[07:02] <jpatrick> since it won't do it itself
[07:02] <Riddell> that's fine
[07:02] <jpatrick> ok
[07:03] <Riddell> assuming it works :)
[07:03] <jpatrick> pbuilding now :)
[07:06] <jpatrick> any news from mako?
[07:07] <Riddell> I've not seen mako around
[07:07] <jpatrick> this could take a while then
[07:07] <Riddell> could try e-mailing him?
[07:08] <jpatrick> good point :)
[07:08] <Riddell> send that IRC transcript and your wiki page, CC me
[07:08] <jpatrick> as soon as pbuilder's done
[07:12] <kkathman> anyone have a live Dapper Kubuntu install up that could check something for me?
[07:12] <Riddell> live install?
[07:13] <kkathman> either one
[07:13] <kkathman> i need to know what the default torrent program is (I think its KTorrent) and where its located on the default menus
[07:14] <kkathman> prolly under Internet I'd think
[07:14] <kkathman> Im writing the documentation for the Kubuntu guide, and just want to be accurate of its labeling and location
[07:39] <jpatrick> "cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/config/kmplayerrc': No such file or directory" damnit
[07:39] <Riddell> may want to use install instead of cp
[07:40] <jjesse> kkathman did you get your question answered?
[07:51] <kkathman> no not yet
[07:52] <kkathman> jjesse: Im reasonably sure that ktorrent is the program, but dont know how its labeled or where in the menu...same for amule (not sure if amule is included with Kubuntu tho)
[07:56] <kkathman> I'll just get a dapper live cd.
[07:56] <jjesse> let me look on my dapper install
[07:57] <jjesse> a default install of dapper does not have a torrent program installed
[07:58] <kkathman> ahh ok
[07:58] <kkathman> then I will remove it from the guide
[07:58] <kkathman> is amule there?(cant remember if this is a gtk or not)
[07:58] <kkathman> sorry gdm I mean
[07:58] <robotgeek> kkathman: amule is probably not installed
[07:59] <robotgeek> it is gtk, however
[07:59] <kkathman> ok will remove that also.  Are there any p2p apps installed in Kubuntu, then?
[08:00] <robotgeek> kkathman: i think you can keep ktorrent in there, and ask them to install it from the net?
[08:00] <kkathman> !info ktorrent
[08:00] <robotgeek> amule is gtk evil :)
[08:02] <Riddell> anyone used ktorrent enough to know if it's good enough for main and the CD?
[08:02] <robotgeek> Riddell: i guess i can use it later today and let you know
[08:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: keeps freezing here
[08:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: maybe it's my fault it's not installing right (I patched it)
[08:08] <jpatrick> patch at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1703
[08:10] <Riddell> jpatrick: ktorrent keeps freezing?
[08:10] <Riddell> jpatrick: could you try the new ktorrent 1.2 to see if that fixes it?
[08:11] <Tm_T> hmm?
[08:11] <Tm_T> I use recent ktorrent from svn
[08:11] <Tm_T> no freezes
[08:12] <Riddell> so jpatrick's problem might be fixed in 1.2 :)
[08:12] <Tm_T> yu
[08:17] <_Sime> sebas: I'm now adding i18n() to userconfig BTW.
[08:21] <kkathman> Riddell:  I dont know alot about the Limewire p2p file sharing thing. Is that something that we want to sanction in our Desktop Guide?
[08:21] <kkathman> Its in the ubuntuguide.
[08:22] <kkathman> Im thinking it should be left out.
[08:23] <Riddell> kkathman: we don't install it by default and it's not in main
[08:23] <kkathman> right.. reason I am querying, is that is IS mentioned with detailed instructions on installation, in the Ubuntu Desktop Guide
[08:24] <kkathman> Riddell:  I can leave the same instructions in, and simple change the editor used to Kate from gedit.
[08:25] <Riddell> well if they have it then I guess we should too
[08:30] <Riddell> jpatrick: whit ye packaging?
[08:30] <jpatrick> KMPlayer
[08:30] <Riddell> ah, still :)
[08:31] <jpatrick> thing compiles then fails on packaging
[08:52] <jpatrick> Riddell: I think mako's around (at least konversation says so)
[08:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: about the t-shirts - the producers are asking if they are allowed to use the Kubuntu logo
[09:09] <jpatrick> btw wincide from #kubuntu-es sends his greetings to you
[09:21] <jpatrick> allee: patch to make kmplayer use gstreamer by default isn't working
[09:29] <wincide> hi
[09:29] <jpatrick> hello wincide 
[09:30] <wincide> hi all,first sorry about my english ..
[09:31] <wincide> me and a friend of mine are working on a LFS based in kubuntu, just to boot from USB drives like pendrives or external hard-disks
[09:32] <wincide> now we are thinking about what we need in that project
[09:32] <wincide> and one of the most important things we thought was a light qt based desktop
[09:33] <ubijtsa> wincide: like Qtopia?
[09:33] <wincide> we dont know if that exists, so this is my question...
[09:33] <ubijtsa> I would not call KDE 'light' exactly
[09:33] <wincide> Qtopia ? :D i didnt hear about that !
[09:34] <ubijtsa> XFCE is more lightweight, but not exactly slimline
[09:34] <ubijtsa> Qtopia is the embedded stuff
[09:34] <ubijtsa> Sharp's Zaurus is running Qtopia
[09:35] <wincide> nice !
[09:35] <ubijtsa> If you want lightweight, consider things like WindowMaker, OpenBox or similar, you can still have all the Qt and Gtk libs there for KDE and Gnome apps
[09:35] <wincide> that is what i was looking for :D
[09:36] <ubijtsa> not sure if Qtopia is free, but it certainly is lightweight
[09:36] <wincide> ubijtsa, i prefer having only one of these at one time
[09:36] <wincide> more applications ...
[09:36] <wincide> indeed of more libraries
[09:37] <wincide> jpatrick, en vez de tantas librerias se dice asi ?? :S
[09:37] <ubijtsa> Am sure there is docs on the wiki for how to install a USB stick and boot it
[09:37] <jpatrick> wincide: creo que si
[09:38] <wincide> ubijtsa, i hope qtopia beeing free
[09:39] <ubijtsa> let me google for a page on it
[09:39] <ubijtsa> http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/
[09:39] <wincide> http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/
[09:39] <wincide> :P
[09:39] <ubijtsa> *lol*
[09:40] <wincide> Please contact sales@trolltech.com to discuss your specific requirements.
[09:41] <wincide> it seems not to be free
[09:45] <ubijtsa> embedded stuff rarely is
[09:48] <JRe> Riddell: I am glad that you like Keep 0.3.0 ;)
[09:49] <jpatrick> JRe: I tried to do some hacking on Keep today... I didn't get very far...
[09:50] <JRe> jpatrick: if you want some things to be implemented, don't mind to ask :)
[09:51] <jpatrick> I was gonna just see what I could do
[09:56] <jpatrick> night everyone
[10:27] <LeeJunFan> okay, I give - wth is keep?
[10:28] <LeeJunFan> nvermind found it.
[10:32] <wincide> see you :) thx a lot for the info
[10:32] <wincide> i hope to come soon to this channel with fresh new about the distro ! :D
[11:30] <Riddell> JRe: shall I upload keep
[11:30] <Riddell> or are you expecting any more new versions any time soon?
[11:30] <Riddell> although if you've made it /for/ kubuntu that's not upstream :)
[11:36] <JRe> Riddell: :)
[11:36] <JRe> Riddell: I think there is no bad bug
[11:37] <Riddell> great, I'll upload
[11:37] <Riddell> and write a main inclusion
[11:37] <JRe> Riddell: :)
[11:37] <JRe> Riddell: I hope dapper users will like it
[11:37] <JRe> Riddell: but in any case don't worry, I'll made a kubuntu specific patch
[11:37] <JRe> Riddell: if there is any bad bug
[11:40] <Riddell> cgroovy
[11:41] <Riddell> s/c//
[11:58] <Riddell> keep_0.3.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
[12:00] <JRe> :)