| mjg59 | Right | 12:02 |
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| mjg59 | Well, it's almost certainly a gnome-screensaver issue | 12:02 |
| HiddenWolf | Hm. | 12:02 |
| HiddenWolf | great, now I have to look nice at seb128 again. :/ | 12:03 |
| HiddenWolf | mjg59: well, thanks anyway. | 12:04 |
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| Drac[Server] | Is there ny way I can get Ubuntu to see this old ISA ethernet controller card? | 01:09 |
| Drac[Server] | any* | 01:17 |
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| infinity | Drac[Server] : ISA doesn't hotplug, so you need to modprobe the driver manually (or list it in /etc/modules), that's all. | 01:34 |
| HrdwrBoB | the best thing to do is to go to #ubuntu | 01:35 |
| HrdwrBoB | and tell them you threw it out | 01:35 |
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| HrdwrBoB | any movement on this | 01:54 |
| HrdwrBoB | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/29768 | 01:54 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29768 in glibc "Australian timezones incorrect for 2006" [Normal,Confirmed] | 01:54 |
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| wasabi_ | So is anybody doing anything at all with trying to hammer XGl together enough to provide dapper packages? | 02:06 |
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| Burgwork | wasabi, mjg59 has talked about it | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | hey Burgwork nice seeing you again :) | 02:13 |
| xhaker | Burgwork: do you happen to know anything about gksu bindings for python? | 02:13 |
| xhaker | i can't even find what module to load | 02:14 |
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| Burgwork | jsgotangco, I was away on business for a few days, then moving. Still don't have internet at home | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | oh | 02:47 |
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| infinity | Ugh. The gnome-power-manager icons are really quite hideous, compared to the old power applet. | 03:02 |
| === jsgotangco has yet to see that (currently updating) | ||
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| HiddenWolf | infinity: I rather like the menu icon. | 03:05 |
| HiddenWolf | infinity: then again, i'm using tango. | 03:06 |
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| infinity | The menu icon is cute, it's the applet icons I object to. | 03:13 |
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| infinity | I guess the clean and simple icons of old aren't cool anymore in the new world order. | 03:14 |
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| HiddenWolf | hm | 03:14 |
| HiddenWolf | try checking out the nautilus icon on the splash screen when logging in. ;) | 03:14 |
| infinity | The network applet changed icons to something much fuzzier and less clean looking too, which I'm not keen on. | 03:14 |
| whiprush | infinity: did you get any good feedback on the madwifi-ng testing? | 03:15 |
| infinity | HiddenWolf: The shell icon that occasioanlly pops up, but not always?... I think that's a poorly-thought-out easter egg, or something. | 03:15 |
| infinity | whiprush: Some. Not sure if we have enough feedback to push forward with it. | 03:15 |
| whiprush | ah. | 03:15 |
| HiddenWolf | Hm, I get it for 99% of the time, and it's damn ugly. :) | 03:15 |
| whiprush | add me to the "it's broken for me list" | 03:15 |
| infinity | whiprush: Especially since many people claim to use madwifi on amd64, where we currently KNOW it's broken in the -ng branch. :/ | 03:16 |
| whiprush | ah | 03:16 |
| whiprush | :-/ | 03:16 |
| infinity | whiprush: Which was broken for you?... -ng? | 03:16 |
| whiprush | yeah | 03:16 |
| infinity | whiprush: Shame. | 03:16 |
| whiprush | that l-r-m package you posted the other day | 03:16 |
| whiprush | indeed. | 03:16 |
| infinity | I think we'll probably be stuck shipping madwifi-old one last time (for dapper), then switching to -ng as soon as dapper+1 opens and trying to shake out the bugs. | 03:17 |
| infinity | But time will tell. We may end up with a convincing reason to force the switch. | 03:17 |
| infinity | (The biggest reason was network-manager...) | 03:17 |
| whiprush | I am picking up an ipw2200 just in case. | 03:17 |
| infinity | madwifi-old + network-manager = B-R-O-K-E-N | 03:18 |
| whiprush | yeah. | 03:18 |
| tseng | whiprush: once you go intel, you dont go back | 03:18 |
| tseng | or something | 03:18 |
| whiprush | I thought it was fine until my neighbors got an AP | 03:18 |
| infinity | madwifi-old insists on dropping your association before scanning for networks. thpethul. | 03:18 |
| whiprush | now I always get stuck on theirs | 03:18 |
| whiprush | tseng: maybe I can make this to be an excuse to pick up an X60 | 03:19 |
| tseng | whiprush: i wont stop you | 03:19 |
| infinity | I keep trying to come up with valid excuses to pick up a T60. | 03:19 |
| infinity | I think I just need to find someone in .au willing to buy my T43 without taking a terrible loss, then I can justify it. | 03:19 |
| whiprush | still waiting for a Z series to come in to work | 03:19 |
| whiprush | they're very backordered | 03:20 |
| tseng | how do you guys use a thinkpad with such a retarded Ctrl key | 03:20 |
| tseng | if i could swap Ctrl and Space i think i would | 03:20 |
| whiprush | tseng: map caps lock to ctrl. It's the way God intended anyway | 03:20 |
| tseng | whiprush: my hero | 03:21 |
| tseng | whiprush: is that possible in $otheros | 03:21 |
| HiddenWolf | Why is it that everyone is so raving about the ibm laptops? | 03:21 |
| HiddenWolf | specially since they're not IBM anymore? | 03:21 |
| whiprush | tseng: I believe so actually. | 03:21 |
| tseng | HiddenWolf: they werent "IBM" in that sense for a long time aiui | 03:21 |
| tseng | HiddenWolf: but they use premium components | 03:22 |
| tseng | whiprush: i could just get another HHK for work and move on | 03:22 |
| whiprush | I have 2 myself | 03:22 |
| HiddenWolf | Hm. | 03:23 |
| tseng | lite2? | 03:23 |
| whiprush | yeah | 03:23 |
| HiddenWolf | I guess the components are good, but I don't like the screen sizes. | 03:23 |
| tseng | rock | 03:23 |
| tseng | only complaint is the hub is usb1 | 03:23 |
| tseng | this isnt 1998 | 03:23 |
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| whiprush | heh | 03:23 |
| tseng | good enough for a mouse | 03:23 |
| tseng | but not a usb key | 03:23 |
| infinity | HiddenWolf: What's wrong with the screen sizes?.. Do you demand a 17" monster? | 03:23 |
| glick | excuse me...the nvidia drivers, is there any benefit gained by installing them if you have to disable the RenderAccel option? | 03:24 |
| === infinity is actually going to downgrade screen size... | ||
| tseng | i care more about resolution than physical size | 03:24 |
| === lakin wants a smaller laptop too | ||
| infinity | I find my 15" on the T43 makes the whole thing a bit too large, so I'll drop to a 14 inch T60. | 03:24 |
| tseng | more pixels for the pushing | 03:24 |
| HiddenWolf | infinity: no, but i'm used to 1920x1200, and I don't think I can take 1024x800 | 03:24 |
| infinity | HiddenWolf: Mine's 1400x1050 | 03:24 |
| tseng | HiddenWolf: 1440x1050 is "just right" | 03:24 |
| tseng | HiddenWolf: if you are a widescreen dude | 03:24 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng: i've got a 24" widescreen at home, I'd guess so. | 03:25 |
| HiddenWolf | infinity: how much did it set you back? | 03:25 |
| infinity | glick: The only benefit in the binary drivers is OpenGL accel (and some fancy dual-head stuff). If you don't care about either, stick with the free driver, it's more stable. | 03:26 |
| glick | infinity, will it speed up my x rendering and redrawing apps on the screen? | 03:26 |
| infinity | HiddenWolf: 2GHz Pentium M, 2GB of RAM, 15 inch 1400x1050, many other bells/whistles, about 2K USD. | 03:26 |
| HiddenWolf | infinity: that's what I was afraid of. | 03:27 |
| whiprush | infinity: so is it safe to assume that you'll be sticking with -old for dapper? | 03:27 |
| infinity | Yeah, IBM isn't cheap. OTOH, I've had a very good track record with them. | 03:27 |
| whiprush | ie. if I had to make a safe bet? | 03:27 |
| HiddenWolf | infinity: I'd gladly take a 1.3ghz, 512 of ram, with the 1400x1050 screen. :) | 03:27 |
| infinity | whiprush: It seems most likely at this point. | 03:27 |
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| infinity | HiddenWolf: Their slowest 1400x1050 offerring is a 1.86GHz Pentium M, ringing in at 1650 USD. | 03:28 |
| HiddenWolf | infinity: feel my hurt. :) | 03:29 |
| glick | infinity, ? | 03:29 |
| infinity | HiddenWolf: Well, that's if you want the portability of a T series. The R series stuff is cheaper. | 03:30 |
| infinity | glick: I've not noticed the binary driver being particularly speedier in 2D than the free driver. | 03:30 |
| infinity | glick: It used to be, but the free driver has had a lot of good work put into it. | 03:30 |
| glick | cause i dont really run 3d apps | 03:31 |
| HiddenWolf | infinity: I still feel nvidia driver is snappier by a bit, but I could just run into cairo/fontconfig/gtk slowless and blame the driver. | 03:31 |
| glick | although being able to use some of the xmms visual plugins would be kinna nice | 03:31 |
| infinity | glick: If you don't do 3D, do yourself a favour and use the free driver. Really. | 03:31 |
| tseng | the free driver flickers around the edges at high resolutions | 03:32 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng: high refresh rates maybe | 03:32 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng: did 1920x1200x60hz with it for six months without issue. | 03:32 |
| infinity | tseng: Is there a bug filed about it at fd.o? | 03:32 |
| tseng | infinity: dunno, ive noticed it for years | 03:33 |
| tseng | its not constant, you notice it occassionally when moving a window or something | 03:33 |
| tseng | you get a bit of artifacting along the edge | 03:33 |
| infinity | tseng: I've not noticed it at all, so bugs are nice. :) | 03:33 |
| tseng | it goes a few times until it bothers me enough to switch drivers | 03:33 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng: well, moving a window gives a lot or artifacts with whatever you do these days. | 03:34 |
| tseng | "nvidia" or "ati" are smooth as silk for me | 03:34 |
| tseng | at least wrt what im talking about | 03:34 |
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| HiddenWolf | tseng: nvidia is closed, ati is open | 03:36 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng: fglrx is the ati closed one. | 03:36 |
| tseng | ok? | 03:36 |
| tseng | (yes, I knew that) | 03:37 |
| tseng | not sure that has anything to do with a driver having flickering or not | 03:37 |
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| seth | if the new ndiswrapper is showing my wlan0 as eth1 and refusing to bring it up, is that a bug, or something that I have set wrong? | 04:26 |
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| crimsun | in 2.6.15-15.20? | 04:26 |
| seth | yep | 04:26 |
| seth | it didn't even insert the module before -15 | 04:27 |
| seth | now the module loads, and eth1 is listed as my wireless interface | 04:27 |
| seth | but it won't ifup | 04:27 |
| seth | it used to be called wlan0 | 04:27 |
| seth | but knowing me, it could be something set wrong instead of a bug | 04:27 |
| seth | so I wanted to check before filing a bugreport | 04:27 |
| crimsun | (see #ubuntu) | 04:28 |
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| pitti | hey | 07:46 |
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| glick | scuse me any idea why my w and who commands are acting strange all of a sudden? | 08:13 |
| Treenaks | 'strange' ? | 08:21 |
| glick | Treenaks, as in not displaying logged in users | 08:22 |
| glick | showing users as 0 | 08:22 |
| Mithrandir | doko: I played a bit with the experimental ooo packages and they seem to not work very well. Problems opening OOo documents, etc. | 08:33 |
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| JaneW | **Reminder** Dapper Dev Status Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 15 mins. | 08:45 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:48 |
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| JaneW | Lathiat: ping -> #ubuntu-meeitng | 08:54 |
| JaneW | meeting I mean | 08:54 |
| JaneW | sivang: ping-> Dapper meeting | 08:54 |
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| pitti | Kamion: does germinate already support automatic seeding of -dev/-doc/-dbg? | 08:56 |
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| JaneW | hi BenC | 08:59 |
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| Kamion | pitti: no, not yet, sorry | 08:59 |
| BenC | hey | 08:59 |
| pitti | hi BenC | 08:59 |
| pitti | moin seb128 | 08:59 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:59 |
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| JaneW | ajmitch: ping | 09:02 |
| BenC | pitti: hey | 09:05 |
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| doko | Mithrandir: OOo docs, or only MS docs? | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | doko: OOo docs. Not very complicated ones either. | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | doko: either fails to open or gives garbled docs | 09:10 |
| doko | hmm, that would be worse than with previous snapshots | 09:10 |
| freeflying | doko: my OOo keep crash when I try open file have chinese content | 09:11 |
| Mithrandir | doko: I'm sorry that it's not very useful as a bug report. I can prod it around a bit more, but my gut feeling is that ooo-amd64 isn't ready | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: on current ppc/live, I only have an evo icon in the panel, no more yelp and ffox - is that intended? | 09:20 |
| seb128 | yelp is intended, firefox is not | 09:20 |
| seb128 | is that a laptop or desktop profile? | 09:21 |
| pitti | seb128: it's my laptop, not sure what you mean by 'profile' | 09:21 |
| seb128 | so that's a laptop :) | 09:21 |
| seb128 | gnome-panel has a desktop and a laptop profile for the default panel config | 09:22 |
| seb128 | one has battstat the other hasn't it | 09:22 |
| pitti | oh, I didn't know that - so far they always looked the same on my two boxes | 09:22 |
| pitti | ah, right | 09:22 |
| pitti | seb128: but I don't have a battstat here | 09:22 |
| seb128 | the gnome-panel-data.postinst has that: | 09:23 |
| seb128 | if [ -x /usr/sbin/laptop-detect ] && /usr/sbin/laptop-detect; then | 09:23 |
| seb128 | echo "laptop configuration" | 09:23 |
| seb128 | ... | 09:23 |
| seb128 | anyway I'm not sure that the liveCD uses the same profile, Mithrandir? | 09:23 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: it calls reconfigure on gnome-panel-data and chroot /root /bin/sh -c 'gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/panel/global/disable_l | 09:24 |
| Mithrandir | ock_screen true' | 09:24 |
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| seb128 | pitti: do you have a file:///usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop ? | 09:25 |
| pitti | it's in the menu, let me check | 09:26 |
| pitti | yes | 09:26 |
| pitti | seb128: laptop-detect returns with 0, so that seems to work | 09:27 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: logout on the live CD doesn't work, it just makes the desktop hang; known? | 09:30 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: not really. | 09:31 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: any idea what's hanging? (You have shells on tty1-6) | 09:32 |
| pitti | bah, now it worked of course (it's my second session, I killed the first one with ctrl+alt+backspace) | 09:32 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: will investigate later | 09:32 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 09:33 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: it's back, let's do that after the meeting; it seems that it hangs when a terminal is opened | 09:35 |
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| seb128 | pitti: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/30038 ... what package is to blame? | 09:36 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30038 in gnome-applets "SmartBattery load level not shown" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 09:36 |
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| pitti | seb128: iz hal bug, but that requires a wholly new device class (reading i2c devices) | 09:38 |
| seb128 | k, reassigning to hal so, thank you :) | 09:38 |
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| doko | ogra: the schooltool developers promised to fix schooltool for 3.2 before feature freeze | 09:50 |
| ogra | doko, yes, i talked to jinty yesterday ... | 09:51 |
| ogra | but i'll have to take schooltool out temporary for the CDs to be installable :/ | 09:51 |
| ogra | and schooltool will have less testing through that ... which is kind of worrying me | 09:51 |
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| Kagou | hi | 10:04 |
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| sivang | Riddell: keep is the name of the tool? | 10:09 |
| pitti | Kamion: no daily/current for ppc - is that a transient problem or a bug somewhere? | 10:10 |
| ogra | kernel transition ? | 10:10 |
| Kamion | please don't speculate | 10:10 |
| Kamion | I need to make the logs public so that people can look | 10:10 |
| Kamion | Running tools/boot/dapper/boot-powerpc 1 /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/scratch/ubuntu/daily/tmp/dapper-powerpc/CD1 | 10:10 |
| Kamion | cp: cannot create directory `powerpc/cdrom': Permission denied | 10:11 |
| Kamion | make: *** [/srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/scratch/ubuntu/daily/tmp/dapper-powerpc/bootable-stamp] Error 1 | 10:11 |
| Kamion | hmm, odd | 10:11 |
| ogra | ouch | 10:11 |
| Riddell | sivang: yes, it's on revu | 10:11 |
| Riddell | sivang: it uses rdiff-backup | 10:12 |
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| Riddell | sivang: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/keep | 10:12 |
| Kamion | impressive, somehow stuff ended up as group warthogs | 10:13 |
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| Kamion | pitti: should be cleared up in a bit, thanks for the report | 10:14 |
| ogra | hmm, why are all changes mails from <user>@drescher... suddenly ? | 10:14 |
| pitti | Kamion: thanks | 10:14 |
| Kamion | ogra: see #canonical and https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-upload-and-queue/+bug/30938 | 10:14 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30938 in launchpad-upload-and-queue "manual source accepts from new result in bizarre mails" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:14 |
| Kamion | it's not all, it's only manual source accepts from new | 10:14 |
| pitti | seb128: if that firefox icon on live CD works for you, how can I debug it? | 10:14 |
| ogra | ah :) | 10:15 |
| ogra | somehow my mind always drops the @ in the addresses .... looks like we're a big family now ... ian drscher and daniel drescher etc :) | 10:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: I don't know if it works, I've not tried a liveCD for some weeks now. But that part has not changed for ages, does it do the same on a ppc installation? | 10:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: if it works on an installation that's a liveCD bug, I don't know what they change | 10:16 |
| Kamion | 'apt-get source casper', not hard to find out ... | 10:16 |
| pitti | seb128: I wait for the current ppc/install, then I'll reinstall my laptop again to find out | 10:16 |
| pitti | I want to do a new test-install anyway | 10:17 |
| seb128 | oki | 10:17 |
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| lucas | hi | 10:26 |
| lucas | what's the policy regarding uploads to breezy-updates for universe packages ? | 10:27 |
| lucas | who does the reviewing ? | 10:27 |
| pitti | mvo: can you please ping me when you have some minutes to discuss desktop files in g-a-i? | 10:27 |
| mvo | pitti: sure, will /msg you | 10:27 |
| seb128 | feel free to talk on #ubuntu-desktop about that :) | 10:28 |
| pitti | ok | 10:28 |
| seb128 | lucas: good question, what do you want to upload? | 10:28 |
| lucas | librmagick-ruby | 10:28 |
| lucas | to fix LP bugs 1299 and 4636 | 10:29 |
| Kamion | lucas: currently mdz and I are the only reviewers for -updates | 10:29 |
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| Kamion | not that uploading to -updates really works at the moment with the soyuz migration - please hold off a bit on that until we have a process in place | 10:29 |
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| lucas | ok | 10:30 |
| lucas | any approximative timeline ? | 10:30 |
| mdz | lucas: that'd be a #launchpad question; I'm not sure | 10:30 |
| lucas | ok | 10:31 |
| mdke | lucas, see the launchpad-users list there was an update about it yesterday | 10:31 |
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| Kamion | seb128: I think you typoed the bug number when duplicating #30904 | 10:33 |
| seb128 | bug #30904 | 10:33 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30904 in eog "Can't open the Win shared pictures" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30904 | 10:33 |
| seb128 | right, I used the bugzilla number | 10:34 |
| seb128 | Kamion: thanks for pointing it | 10:34 |
| seb128 | fixed | 10:34 |
| Kamion | np | 10:35 |
| carlos | pitti: hi, do you have some minutes for me? | 10:39 |
| pitti | carlos: yes | 10:39 |
| carlos | pitti: could you provide me a build output with your new strip translations script? | 10:41 |
| carlos | pitti: I need it for testing purposes | 10:41 |
| carlos | I suppose it would be a pmount build | 10:41 |
| carlos | I suppose it would be enough with a pmount build | 10:41 |
| pitti | carlos: 'new' - you mean the one which adds the tarball to the .changes? | 10:41 |
| carlos | pitti: yes | 10:41 |
| pitti | sure, no problem | 10:42 |
| carlos | so we can add some tests for that before moving it into production | 10:42 |
| pitti | do you also need the built source tree? | 10:42 |
| carlos | pitti: the .deb, sources and any output it generates | 10:42 |
| pitti | or only tarball and changes? | 10:42 |
| pitti | ok, I'll just tar up the complete dir | 10:42 |
| carlos | well, I suppose it's enough with only the files referenced by the .changes file | 10:42 |
| carlos | but If you give me the whole output I'm sure I don't need to ask you anything else later ;-) | 10:43 |
| carlos | pitti: thanks | 10:43 |
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| janimo | pitti, did the firewall work turned out to be too much to finish for dapper? | 10:50 |
| janimo | is carsten working on it but takes time? | 10:50 |
| pitti | janimo: exactly | 10:50 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I think I found the root cause of the logout/shutdown hang, will take this up with mvo | 10:51 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: update-notifier hogs the CPU again and thus does not want to shutdown properly | 10:51 |
| janimo | pitti, as for deferring the printer autoconfig is cups being followed up to the 1.2 release in dapper? | 10:52 |
| janimo | I read they plan to add something similar to hal+cups upstream, ie not redhat patch | 10:52 |
| pitti | janimo: we are past version freeze, but I'll watch the weekly snapshots | 10:52 |
| pitti | janimo: as long as they are safe, I'll update | 10:52 |
| janimo | do they have other lists besides cups-devel and general? those are pretty incactive besides some release notifications | 10:53 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: ah, ok. Not a live cd thing, then | 10:53 |
| janimo | is there a common printing list where cups/gnome/kde are together? | 10:54 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: it probably just triggers the right actions on the right time, or sth like that :) | 10:54 |
| pitti | carlos: do you want source+binary or a binary-only build? the latter would be closer to a buildd output | 10:58 |
| carlos | pitti: then, the later | 10:59 |
| Riddell | janimo: in theory desktop-printing on OSDL would be it | 10:59 |
| janimo | Riddell, thanks | 10:59 |
| Riddell | lists.osdl.org | 10:59 |
| janimo | let's see if gmane has it | 10:59 |
| pitti | carlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/pmount-build-distaddfile.tar.gz | 11:01 |
| janimo | not on gmane, upstream mail archive down | 11:01 |
| carlos | pitti: cool, thanks | 11:02 |
| dooglus | if I find a possible security problem with a ubuntu package, who should I tell? | 11:02 |
| pitti | dooglus: security@ubuntu.com | 11:03 |
| dooglus | thanks. | 11:03 |
| pitti | dooglus: or open a malone bug with 'keep private' enabled | 11:03 |
| pitti | dooglus: unless it's already publicly known | 11:03 |
| dooglus | I did that. but who's going to see it, since it's private? | 11:03 |
| pitti | dooglus: I will :) | 11:03 |
| dooglus | ok | 11:03 |
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| pitti | seb128: bah, current ppc/daily doesn't install due to kernel transition; I will try this tomorrow | 11:31 |
| Kamion | pitti: meh? | 11:31 |
| Kamion | is that the build I just did? | 11:31 |
| pitti | Kamion: yes | 11:31 |
| pitti | it could not install linux-image-powerpc | 11:32 |
| Kamion | the kernel transition is supposed to be done | 11:32 |
| Kamion | really linux-image-powerpc, or linux-powerpc? | 11:32 |
| Kamion | huh, the CD is still on -14 | 11:33 |
| Kamion | what is going on | 11:33 |
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| ogra | Kamion, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html says its trying -14 as well | 11:36 |
| Kamion | yeah, just sort of figured it out | 11:37 |
| Kamion | it's breakage from the concurrent-install/live-CD-build work I did yesterday | 11:37 |
| Kamion | don't ask and I won't have to explain the sheer complexity of exactly why :-/ | 11:37 |
| carlos | pitti: hmm, are the changes to support .desktop translation updates included with dapper? | 11:40 |
| pitti | carlos: yes, for quite a while already | 11:40 |
| carlos | oh!, didn't know that | 11:40 |
| carlos | pitti: which approach did you take? | 11:40 |
| pitti | carlos: for .directory as well :) | 11:40 |
| carlos | use gettext directly? | 11:40 |
| pitti | carlos: .server will follow shortly | 11:40 |
| carlos | cool | 11:40 |
| pitti | carlos: yes, that worked just fine; see the benchmarks on the spec page | 11:41 |
| carlos | cool | 11:41 |
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| pitti | carlos: performance impact is below the measurement error range | 11:41 |
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| carlos | so we are not caching anything | 11:41 |
| pitti | no, no need to | 11:41 |
| carlos | pitti: are you going to ask upstream to include it? | 11:41 |
| pitti | carlos: I should probably | 11:42 |
| carlos | pitti: please, add me to the CC of that email then | 11:42 |
| pitti | I will | 11:42 |
| Kamion | ah, I see the bug, fixing now | 11:43 |
| Kamion | pitti: thanks for the report | 11:44 |
| pitti | thanks, you rock :) | 11:44 |
| ogra | Kamion, can you wait a second with the edubuntu builds | 11:44 |
| Kamion | although best not to assume that CD bugs are kernel transitions without checking with me first :) | 11:44 |
| Kamion | ogra: I was going to anyway, you can rebuild those yourself later if you like | 11:44 |
| ogra | i just removed schooltool temporary, waiting for the seeds to sync | 11:44 |
| Kamion | you will need to upload edubuntu-meta then too | 11:44 |
| ogra | ok, i need some guidance the first time | 11:44 |
| ogra | yes, waiting for the change to show up in the seeds | 11:45 |
| Kamion | ogra: read and follow /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/secret/README | 11:45 |
| pitti | the amd64 CD seems ok, so I'm going to do amd64 live+install tests now | 11:45 |
| ogra | Kamion, thanks | 11:45 |
| Kamion | pitti: all architectures have the same problem | 11:45 |
| Kamion | ogra: then read the "Day-to-day operation" section of /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/README | 11:46 |
| pitti | Kamion: oh? at least the 15 packages seem to be on the CD | 11:46 |
| ogra | hmm, little still asks me for a password | 11:46 |
| Kamion | ogra: summary: 'for-project edubuntu cron.daily' builds a normal Edubuntu install CD | 11:46 |
| Kamion | ogra: oh, you probably can't log in then | 11:46 |
| ogra | yes | 11:46 |
| Kamion | dapper-install-amd64.list:/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15/linux-image-2.6.15-14-amd64-generic_2.6.15-14.19_amd64.deb | 11:46 |
| ogra | i thought elmo had added me | 11:46 |
| Kamion | pitti: that's the only one on the current amd64 CD | 11:46 |
| ogra | elmo, ping ? | 11:47 |
| pitti | Kamion: oops, right, the 15 packages are just the udebs | 11:48 |
| pitti | thanks for the warning | 11:48 |
| pitti | nevertheless, time for live cd testing | 11:48 |
| pitti | bbl | 11:48 |
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| pitti_ | Kamion: just trying 'check cd for defects' -> nice :) | 11:54 |
| ogra | hmm, looking at the seeds ... | 11:54 |
| ogra | wasnt gstreamer0.8 supposed to be gone ? | 11:54 |
| pitti_ | ogra: what's still left? | 11:55 |
| ogra | all | 11:55 |
| Kamion | I don't think anybody's ever edited the seeds for that | 11:56 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/seeds/dapper$ grep gstreamer0.8 *|wc -l | 11:56 |
| ogra | 33 | 11:56 |
| Kamion | the current oversizedness might have something to do with that, I guess ;-) | 11:56 |
| ogra | no wonder my CD overflows | 11:56 |
| ogra | hrm :( | 11:56 |
| pitti_ | seb128: ok to kick gst 0.8 out of the seeds? | 11:56 |
| seb128 | pitti_: it's on my list for this week, I just wanted to get serpentine using gst0.10 first | 11:57 |
| seb128 | I can do that now if you want | 11:57 |
| pitti_ | oh, not specifically for me | 11:57 |
| ogra | seb128, would save me a lot of headache with edubuntu | 11:57 |
| pitti_ | just about ogra's question aboce | 11:57 |
| ogra | the CD in constantly overflown | 11:58 |
| seb128 | ogra: I'll drop serpentine from the desktop for now so :/ | 11:58 |
| ogra | fine with me ... you know my opinion about serpentine :) | 11:58 |
| seb128 | I'm still waiting for upstream for having a version using gst0.10 | 11:58 |
| Kamion | (BTW, "is overflown" sounds weird in English, although it *might* be technically correct. I'd use "is overflowing" or "has overflowed" instead.) | 11:58 |
| seb128 | ogra: we need to add it back then | 11:59 |
| ogra | seb128, i'll put a note on my desktop ... | 11:59 |
| === Lathiat thinks "is overflown" | ||
| Kamion | "flown" is the past participle of "fly", not "flow" | 11:59 |
| Kamion | wrong verb | 11:59 |
| Lathiat | so what, flowed? | 12:00 |
| Kamion | yes | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | hrm, point | 12:00 |
| Kamion | "in the past the river has flowed past this house" | 12:00 |
| Kamion | or some better example | 12:00 |
| pitti_ | Kamion: is there a prefered action what to do after the cd consistency check? I just rebooted | 12:00 |
| Kamion | pitti_: there's a bug open saying it should prompt and then reboot | 12:00 |
| pitti_ | ok, good | 12:00 |
| ogra | the river was flowing ? | 12:00 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_: it should reboot after a keypress, but usplash doesn't support that yet. | 12:01 |
| pitti_ | ogra: let's sing that on the next conference :) | 12:01 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_: I need to write the code to support that. | 12:01 |
| ogra | or did it flee the house :P | 12:01 |
| pitti_ | ok, just making sure that everthing is in malone | 12:01 |
| Kamion | ogra: again, wrong verb. The past participle of "flee" is "fled". | 12:01 |
| ogra | gah ... | 12:01 |
| ogra | i'll never get english grammar right :/ | 12:02 |
| Kamion | fly -> flown, flow -> flowed, flee -> fled. consider this revenge for all the learning of German irregular verbs I had to do ;-) | 12:02 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:02 |
| ogra | but as Keybuk pointed out ... no matter how much you f*ck it up, people will still understand you which is not the case in german | 12:03 |
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| pitti_live | seb128: ok, on amd64 live the firefox icon does not appear as well (desktop) | 12:04 |
| === ogra bets you can even write sane poems with broken english grammar | ||
| Kamion | well German has practically the same set of verbs there - fliegen -> geflogen, fliessen -> geflossen, fliehen -> geflohen | 12:04 |
| seb128 | does it on an installation? | 12:04 |
| Kamion | although I had to look most of those up | 12:05 |
| Kamion | I guess the construction is a bit more regular | 12:05 |
| Kamion | anyway, back to work ... | 12:05 |
| pitti_live | seb128: no idea, my current install cds are broken, will try tomorrow | 12:05 |
| WaterSevenUb | kamion, F1 working now... ${MEDIA_TYPE} can be CD-ROM +... ? | 12:05 |
| WaterSevenUb | kamion, because of the gender of the word in the translation.... | 12:06 |
| pitti_live | meh, wrong resolution on the live CD | 12:06 |
| pitti_live | Mithrandir: would it be possible to go back to asking about the screen resolution instead of just assuming 1024x768? | 12:06 |
| Kamion | WaterSevenUb: afraid it's substituted in in a kind of nasty way at the moment - can be "CD-ROM", "netboot image", "bootable drive", "boot image", "floppy" | 12:06 |
| pitti_live | Mithrandir: breezy live/install just asked me (debconf) | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_live: no. | 12:07 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_live: however, I'm going to fix ddcprobe to work on amd64. | 12:07 |
| Kamion | WaterSevenUb: not sure how to deal with making that translatable | 12:07 |
| pitti_live | Mithrandir: even better :) | 12:07 |
| Kamion | pitti_: CDs fixed | 12:07 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_live: I have it working for the VBE stuff, but it segfaults in the DDC probe section | 12:07 |
| pitti_live | \o/ | 12:07 |
| ogra | pitti_live, it should fall back to ask for weird rundetectable resolutions though | 12:07 |
| ogra | i.e. on my amd64 lappie it always asked, since the display doesnt throw out anything in ddcprobe ... or it falls back to 1024 ... | 12:08 |
| Kamion | sorting out ddcprobe should deal with most of that | 12:09 |
| Kamion | the new live CD will never ask for anything though, and has no infrastructure for asking anything any more | 12:09 |
| pitti_live | oh, and the language will certainly be transfered to the desktop environment, right? | 12:10 |
| ogra | how do you sort out ddcprobe if the display doesnt answer anything ... | 12:10 |
| pitti_live | I chose 'German' at the gfxboot screen, but get English so far | 12:10 |
| pitti_live | Kamion: ^ how will ppc handle that? | 12:10 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_live: you should have a german locale? | 12:10 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: there's no infrastructure for asking about anything. | 12:10 |
| pitti_live | Mithrandir: no, I have en_US | 12:11 |
| pitti_live | .UTF-78 | 12:11 |
| pitti_live | erm, -8 | 12:11 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_live: weird. | 12:11 |
| ogra | then i'm doomed to 1024 on the liveCD with this machine i guess | 12:11 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: for the moment we just have to make sure that it's easy to change the language/keymap after boot | 12:11 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: if your hardware is broken, you need to reconfigure X by hand, yes. | 12:11 |
| pitti_live | Mithrandir: let me try that again, I might not have set it back on my second boot | 12:11 |
| ogra | (which looks very odd on a 1280x800 display btw) | 12:11 |
| Kamion | since powerpc has no gfxboot-a-like at the moment | 12:11 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_live: you won't get the correct _keymap_, but language should be set. | 12:12 |
| pitti_live | yes, that's why I asked | 12:12 |
| Kamion | pitti_live: check /proc/cmdline after boot, too | 12:12 |
| pitti_live | Mithrandir: ok, I'll try it again right now | 12:12 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_live: what does /proc/cmdline look like? | 12:12 |
| Kamion | it should have debian-installer/locale=de_DE.UTF-8 or similar in it | 12:12 |
| pitti_live | BOOT_IMAGE=/install/vmlinuz boot=casper initrd=/install/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash -- | 12:12 |
| Kamion | so either you didn't select it or gfxboot-theme-ubuntu is a bit b0ren | 12:13 |
| Kamion | b0rken | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | doesn't look like you set in the bootloader, then. | 12:13 |
| pitti_live | I selected it, but that might have been at the time when I chose integrity check | 12:13 |
| pitti_live | it's probably that | 12:13 |
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| pitti_live | bbl | 12:13 |
| pitti_ | so, now I definitively selected it | 12:14 |
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| Mithrandir | and it's not on /proc/cmdline? | 12:15 |
| pitti_ | still booting... | 12:16 |
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| pitti_ | Mithrandir: ok, it's there now, and I have de_AT.UTF-8 | 12:18 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_: woo | 12:18 |
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| pitti_ | Mithrandir: ok, sorry for the noise then | 12:18 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_: np | 12:19 |
| pitti_ | Mithrandir: any plans to include country selection? I don't mind being regarded as an Austrian, but some Taiwanese/Chinese folks might care :/ | 12:19 |
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| Lathiat | Mithrandir: heh | 12:19 |
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| Kamion | pitti_: no, but note that gfxboot-theme-ubuntu lists Taiwanese and Chinese separately | 12:20 |
| Kamion | also Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese | 12:20 |
| Kamion | I believe those are the only two cases where it makes a really big difference | 12:20 |
| Kamion | well, for Taiwanese and Chinese read Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese, but whatever | 12:20 |
| pitti_ | Kamion: true, that's a nice solution | 12:21 |
| Kamion | Austrian is not the best default for de though | 12:21 |
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| doko_ | Kamion: we once even had Luxemburg | 12:21 |
| pitti_ | Kamion: I remember talking with Tollef about that, I think right now it just picks the first one it can find | 12:21 |
| Kamion | maybe I could scrape a better list of defaults out of localechooser though | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | pitti_: it does. | 12:22 |
| Kamion | yeah, I guess it's easier for me to do that in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu | 12:22 |
| pitti_ | Kamion: we can also just reorder /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED | 12:22 |
| Kamion | nah, would rather figure out the installer's defaults | 12:22 |
| Kamion | somebody please file a bug for me on gfxboot-theme-ubuntu and I'll get to it | 12:23 |
| pitti_ | I will | 12:23 |
| Kamion | thanks | 12:23 |
| pitti_ | although it doesn't really matter much for de in particluar | 12:23 |
| Kamion | makes more difference for fr I guess, fr_CA < fr_FR | 12:24 |
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| Kamion | or en_GB < en_US for that matter | 12:24 |
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| Kamion | (though we never pass debian-installer/locale=en so don't hit that particular case) | 12:25 |
| pitti | ok, filed | 12:32 |
| jdub | fabbione: ping | 12:33 |
| fabbione | jdub: pong | 12:33 |
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| rod_ | could someone please host xgl-svn_100.tar.bz2 ? | 12:36 |
| Treenaks | rod_: uh.. just wait for it :) | 12:36 |
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| rod_ | thnx Treenaks, I'm waiting | 12:38 |
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| rod_ | Treenaks, ? | 12:41 |
| Treenaks | rod_: hm? | 12:41 |
| rod_ | Are you prividing a link or...? | 12:41 |
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| Diziet | Bah, my ff from yesterday didn't build. I'm sure I tested it. | 01:10 |
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| ogra | mvo, gksudo says "Bitts das passwort eingeben" ... | 01:18 |
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| Mithrandir | uh, there's something _funky_ in the current live cd. | 01:25 |
| Mithrandir | "can't open perl script "-e": No such device or address" | 01:25 |
| Mithrandir | uhm | 01:29 |
| mvo | ogra: anything wrong with that? | 01:29 |
| Mithrandir | my /dev/null is c 0,259 | 01:29 |
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| mvo | ogra: apart from the fact that it should be uppercase | 01:29 |
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| ogra | mvo, last time i wrote Bitte it had an e in the end ;) | 01:30 |
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| mvo | ogra: new spelling *cough* | 01:31 |
| mvo | ogra: fix it yourself in rosetta ;) | 01:32 |
| ogra | heh | 01:32 |
| Rod_ | Can someone provide me a working link for http://freedesktop.org/%7edavidr/xgl-svn_100.tar.bz2 , please? | 01:34 |
| mjg59 | Rod_: Here? Probably not | 01:34 |
| ogra | Rod_, see topic, this is not a support channel | 01:35 |
| mdz | dholbach: new HelpingWithBugs/* looks much better, thanks | 01:35 |
| Rod_ | mjg59, not sure where else to go | 01:35 |
| ogra | try #ubuntu | 01:35 |
| mjg59 | Rod_: And it's all been put in CVS, anyway | 01:35 |
| mjg59 | Rod_: #freedesktop or #xorg are better bets | 01:35 |
| dholbach | mdz: super | 01:35 |
| Rod_ | ohh okay, thanks mjg59 will try there | 01:35 |
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| Lathiat | Preconfiguring packages ... | 01:37 |
| Lathiat | /tmp/x11-common.config.25151: line 28: laptop-detect: command not found | 01:37 |
| Lathiat | does x11-common need to pre-depend on laptop-detect? | 01:37 |
| Lathiat | i think that exists | 01:37 |
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| mdz | Mithrandir: 259? | 01:46 |
| Mithrandir | yes, a "slightly odd" number, I agree | 01:46 |
| mdz | I thought minors were 8 bits | 01:47 |
| Mithrandir | 259 is 1 << 4 + 3, so it should correspond to 1,3 | 01:49 |
| Mithrandir | if I run makedev again, it works | 01:50 |
| mdz | very strange | 01:53 |
| mdz | Lathiat: pre-depends aren't fulfilled for .config | 01:54 |
| mdz | laptop-detect is pre-installed by the installer, though, so unless you remove it explicitly, it's OK | 01:54 |
| Lathiat | mdz: thats with pbuilder | 01:55 |
| Lathiat | mdz: if it doesnt affect the isntaller then i guess its ok | 01:56 |
| Lathiat | just thought i'd mention it | 01:56 |
| mdz | it's harmless in any case | 01:56 |
| StevenK | 1 << 4 + 3 != 259 | 01:57 |
| mdz | StevenK: 1 << 8 + 3, he meant | 01:58 |
| StevenK | Ah | 01:58 |
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| Mithrandir | well, yes. | 01:59 |
| Mithrandir | I suck at maths | 01:59 |
| Mithrandir | or something. :-) | 01:59 |
| ogra_live | Mithrandir: no network interfaces on the livecd ? | 02:00 |
| ogra_live | and /sbin not in path ... | 02:00 |
| Kamion | Lathiat: indeed, doesn't affect the installer, and is harmless as mdz says | 02:00 |
| Mithrandir | ogra_live: you have an outdated live cd | 02:01 |
| Kamion | next time I'm bored (haha) I'll make it check for the presence of laptop-detect before trying to run it | 02:01 |
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| ogra_live | Mithrandir: oh, then edubuntu wasnt built ? i just rsznced 10 min ago from the 20060209 | 02:01 |
| Kamion | ogra_live: check the logs | 02:01 |
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| Kamion | http://terranova.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/dapper/edubuntu/latest/ from chinstrap | 02:02 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra_live: what arch? | 02:03 |
| ogra_ibook | i386 | 02:03 |
| Mithrandir | ogra_live: it seems to have built. What's the version of casper in the live image? | 02:04 |
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| ogra_live | 1.28 it seems | 02:04 |
| Mithrandir | that's old | 02:05 |
| ogra_live | hmm, k | 02:05 |
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| ogra_live | so it needs a new livefs build i guess | 02:05 |
| ogra_live | it boots and works fine though :) | 02:05 |
| Mithrandir | Get:961 http://ftpmaster.internal dapper/main espresso-casper 1.29 [10.3kB] | 02:06 |
| Mithrandir | that's from the latest | 02:06 |
| Mithrandir | so something went wrong in the live image build. | 02:06 |
| ogra_live | ah | 02:06 |
| ogra_live | hmm, it also has the -15 kernel and wasnt oversized, strange | 02:08 |
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| Kamion | ok, for your comfort and convenience, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/cd-build-logs/ | 02:12 |
| ogra | ah, thanks ... | 02:12 |
| zakame | ooh! | 02:12 |
| Kamion | I may fiddle with the directory structure there at some point | 02:12 |
| ogra | lynx is nice but a bit hard to use :) | 02:12 |
| Kamion | no this is not livefs build logs, you still need to go to chinstrap for those | 02:13 |
| Kamion | this is ISO image build logs which you've previously needed a login to little to see | 02:13 |
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| Kamion | intention being that people other than me can figure out what might have gone wrong with CD builds | 02:14 |
| ogra | ah | 02:14 |
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| Kamion | mind you it might not be *too* hard to figure out how to publish the livefs logs too | 02:16 |
| Kamion | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12/modules.dep: No such file or directory | 02:17 |
| Kamion | infinity: any idea what that's doing in current dapper livefs build logs? | 02:17 |
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| ogra | Get:975 http://ftpmaster.internal dapper/main casper 1.29 [22.9kB] | 02:18 |
| ogra | hmm | 02:18 |
| Mithrandir | something using uname -r ? | 02:18 |
| Kamion | could be | 02:18 |
| ogra | seems to be there as well | 02:18 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: the md5sums of i386.squashfs on little and terranova are different, so I presume they're different images | 02:18 |
| ogra | strange ... | 02:19 |
| ogra | seems the livefs was built fine though ... could that be a race ? | 02:20 |
| Mithrandir | can somebody else please try to boot the current live cd with break=mount ; when you get a prompt do find_cd ; setup_cow unionfs $(get_backing_device /cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) /root ; ls -l /root/dev/null /rofs/dev/null ; ? | 02:23 |
| Seveas | random thought: if espresso is going to be ported to kde/kubuntu, should't the KDE version be called kappucino? | 02:23 |
| Riddell | :) | 02:23 |
| Riddell | no way | 02:24 |
| jdub | Seveas: you're not drilling deep enough into your head, maybe get a bigger drill bit. | 02:24 |
| Seveas | jdub, hehe, ok how about: why reboot after the single stage install? Won't some mounting tricks+chroot work too? :) | 02:24 |
| jdub | Seveas: -> Kamion | 02:25 |
| sivang | Diziet: should I install autodebtest or autopkgtest ? | 02:25 |
| jdub | (who thinks that rebooting is an important test of installation success, and rightly so) | 02:26 |
| Seveas | jdub, it was just a random thought from the dark areas of my brain :) | 02:26 |
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| Treenaks | Seveas: Lelystad must be crack heaven | 02:26 |
| Seveas | Treenaks :) | 02:27 |
| dholbach | Kamion: woohoo - gparted upstream says "actually i should take a couple of days and try to get this in HEAD" about the installer patch! :-) | 02:28 |
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| dholbach | Kamion: ... which will getting gparted 0.2 into Ubuntu easier (it has a bunch of other changes we'd really want) | 02:29 |
| Kamion | sivang: autodebtest is obsoleted by autopkgtest | 02:29 |
| Kamion | dholbach: woo, thans | 02:29 |
| Kamion | thanks, even | 02:29 |
| dholbach | Kamion: I didn't reach danielk for the mount point magic yet. | 02:30 |
| ogra | Kamion, Mithrandir, so any hint why it didnt pick the right livefs to build the image ? | 02:30 |
| Kamion | for your further comfort and convenience, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/livefs-build-logs/ | 02:31 |
| sivang | Kamion: k, thanks | 02:31 |
| ogra | Kamion, wow, cool :) | 02:32 |
| Kamion | note that files never get deleted there, and current and latest aren't symlinks, which might make their contents a bit odd sometimes | 02:32 |
| Kamion | ogra: not offhand, but you now have all the information easily available ;-) | 02:32 |
| pitti | Diziet: firefox is ftbfs, if you upload a new version, may I humbly remind you about the CVEs? | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | anyone got a source for debain changelogs? | 02:36 |
| Kamion | ogra: today's edubuntu live CD built five hours or so before the most current edubuntu live filesystem, that's all | 02:36 |
| Kamion | want a fresh build? | 02:37 |
| ogra | yup please ... | 02:37 |
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| Kamion | on its way | 02:37 |
| ogra | since i dont know if or when elmo will show up for my little access | 02:37 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 02:37 |
| Kamion | ogra: you're in the cdimage group already ... looks like an oversight I guess | 02:38 |
| ogra | yup | 02:38 |
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| ogra | (i wouldnt guess it was intentional ;) )+ | 02:39 |
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| pitti | ogra: wrt sound on ppc, I played with the alsamixer levels like mad, and suddenly it worked | 02:47 |
| ogra | pitti, i spent hours on my alsamixer already ... | 02:48 |
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| pitti | I only needed 2 minutes | 02:48 |
| ogra | i fear having broken it ... but slomo has the same prob | 02:48 |
| pitti | everything appeared to be right by default | 02:48 |
| pitti | I just reinstalled from scratch, and after playing with alsamixer it worked | 02:48 |
| pitti | I wasn't able toget it workin with the gnome mixer | 02:48 |
| pitti | something in alsa-utils seems broken | 02:48 |
| ogra | can you run: amixer > amixer.out and post that anywhere ? | 02:48 |
| pitti | right, I should have done that from the beginning for diffing | 02:49 |
| ogra | since you have it working, we have a reference :) | 02:50 |
| Kamion | ogra: new edubuntu live published | 02:50 |
| ogra | Kamion, ta | 02:50 |
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| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/amixer.out | 02:50 |
| pitti | ogra: ^ | 02:50 |
| ogra | thanks | 02:51 |
| ogra | YAY !! | 02:53 |
| ogra | amixer sset 'PC Speaker' off | 02:53 |
| ogra | that did it :) | 02:53 |
| pitti | odd | 02:54 |
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| pitti | ogra: I can enable PC speaker, and it still works | 02:55 |
| ogra | it was the only difference ... apart from volume settings ... | 02:55 |
| pitti | ogra: I'll check that on the next boot | 02:56 |
| pitti | ogra: we can disable it by default if it helps | 02:56 |
| ogra | whoo, shocking, m xchat beeps again .... | 02:56 |
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| ogra | argh ... ppc live is 714MB ? | 03:00 |
| ogra | (edubuntu) | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | doh | 03:01 |
| ogra | the former was only 701 ... what the hell was added there to make it this big ? | 03:01 |
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| delire | now we're getting somewhere. very nice mockups and right inline with the Ubuntu bare desktop approach: http://desplesdadotcom.nfshost.com/?p=75 | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | delire, that's a -desktop/-artwork thing | 03:02 |
| ogra | *shudder* blue | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:03 |
| ogra | but the name somehow implies that :) | 03:03 |
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| delire | jsgotangco: agreed.. | 03:05 |
| delire | that said a few new useability innovations are introduced. | 03:06 |
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| seb128 | doko: why is PROMPT_COMMAND commented by default now? | 03:09 |
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| doko | seb128: it's in .bashrc, having it in /etc/bashrc forces it unconditionally | 03:10 |
| pitti | what's bad about having it by default? | 03:11 |
| seb128 | so it works only for people who don't have their .bashrc for ages, ie: new install | 03:11 |
| tepsipakki | omg, gnucash-1.9.0 released | 03:11 |
| seb128 | GTK2? | 03:11 |
| tepsipakki | yes | 03:11 |
| seb128 | ah, nice | 03:11 |
| doko | seb128: do we care? | 03:11 |
| ogra | yay | 03:11 |
| seb128 | doko: without it, no path as window title for g-t | 03:12 |
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| seb128 | doko: that sucks to have 15 command line open with the same title | 03:12 |
| doko | seb128: sure, but you cannot have both | 03:12 |
| seb128 | both what? | 03:12 |
| seb128 | I would just like to have that feature working out of the box | 03:12 |
| pitti | (like it was in hoary) | 03:12 |
| seb128 | I had to edit my .bashrc to get it working | 03:13 |
| seb128 | and I'm pretty sure 90% of the users will not figure that they need to do that | 03:13 |
| doko | seb128: it _is_ working out of the box, upgrades are not "out of the box" | 03:14 |
| ogra | we could put a message in the terminal that shows up until you edited .bashrc :P | 03:14 |
| seb128 | doko: so you break upgrades, which is not nice | 03:14 |
| seb128 | it was working for me | 03:14 |
| seb128 | and it doesn't after upgrading | 03:15 |
| seb128 | that's a regression | 03:15 |
| doko | is .bashrc sources in your .bash_profile? | 03:15 |
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| torkel | seb128: it is commented in breezy too | 03:17 |
| seb128 | doko: yep | 03:17 |
| seb128 | doko: but .bashrc is a custom stuff I've for ages now | 03:17 |
| seb128 | and it had no PROMPT_COMMAND | 03:17 |
| doko | seb128: it does. watch /etc/skel/.bashrc | 03:18 |
| seb128 | doko: my .bashrc comes from my previous Debian installation probably | 03:19 |
| seb128 | not from the skel | 03:19 |
| doko | so you're not the typical user to call it a regression ;-P | 03:19 |
| seb128 | I didn't say I'm the typical user | 03:19 |
| seb128 | but some people around have a custom .bashrc probably | 03:20 |
| seb128 | anyway, no big deal, let's wait for the next bug about that | 03:20 |
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| seb128 | I played with that because we got a bug on g-t | 03:20 |
| doko | seb128: the reason to have it uncommented is to be able to set the title from an xterm invocation to something completely different | 03:21 |
| seb128 | doko: the user config take over the default one no? | 03:21 |
| Lathiat | seb128: xterm -t "x" is just overwritten when bash sets it | 03:21 |
| seb128 | if you have something to /etc and user customize it again with his .bashrc the second version is used no? | 03:22 |
| Lathiat | err not -t | 03:22 |
| Lathiat | somethign else, that sets the title string, i forget what it is :) | 03:22 |
| Lathiat | -title <string> :) | 03:22 |
| Kamion | seb128: both are run; the user's .bashrc would have to explicitly unset PROMPT_COMMAND | 03:23 |
| doko | seb128: yes, but a user can overwrite it in his own .bashrc | 03:23 |
| seb128 | Kamion: right, it makes it possible for an user to do so | 03:23 |
| freeflying | doko: hi | 03:23 |
| seb128 | I don't get the issue with having it by default to /etc/bashrc | 03:23 |
| seb128 | it's working for everybody so | 03:24 |
| freeflying | doko: we still can not type ,paste ,or open chinese file | 03:24 |
| seb128 | and users are free to change it or unset it | 03:24 |
| doko | freeflying: sure, nothing did change | 03:24 |
| doko | seb128: please show a way to have it uncommented in /etc/bashrc and xterm -t still working | 03:24 |
| seb128 | doko: dunno about xterm, but the default command line is g-t no? | 03:25 |
| seb128 | we break the default component to support an another one ... | 03:26 |
| doko | seb128: please show a way to have it uncommented in /etc/bashrc and g-t -t still working ;-P | 03:26 |
| === seb128 man | ||
| seb128 | what does -t do? | 03:26 |
| azeem | Set the terminal's title to TITLE. | 03:27 |
| Lathiat | tektronix mode | 03:27 |
| Lathiat | -title sets the title | 03:27 |
| seb128 | yeah, I've figured | 03:27 |
| seb128 | doko: ok, you just break the standard feature to allow other usecase | 03:27 |
| seb128 | fine with me, but I would prefer having the default installation working correctly :) | 03:28 |
| doko | seb128: no, I just break seb128's historic .bashrc | 03:28 |
| seb128 | no points to argue for hours about that | 03:28 |
| seb128 | doko: and some users' too, I started looking on that because we got a bug about it | 03:28 |
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| doko | seb128: it's a feature, not a bug. it's not broken for new users. If we have the choice to enable something which didn't work before, we should do that. you can argue about enabling bash_completion in the same way (enabling it in .bashrc, not /etc/bashrc) | 03:33 |
| seb128 | doko: yeah, gotcha, makes sense :) | 03:33 |
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| Chipzz | doko: did you have time to take a look at my patch? ;) | 03:49 |
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| doko | Chipzz: the rlimit stuff? | 03:49 |
| Chipzz | doko: the scp bash_completion thingie ;) | 03:49 |
| doko | Chipzz: ahh. no, we'll have a bash_completion update later, just forwarded it upstream | 03:50 |
| Chipzz | doko: I allready sent it upstream ;) | 03:50 |
| Chipzz | doko: no reaction yet though :/ | 03:51 |
| doko | Chipzz: to Ian? | 03:51 |
| tepsipakki | kamion: umm, the daily netboot-images are still at 2.6.15-13, for a reason?-) | 03:51 |
| Chipzz | doko: jups | 03:51 |
| Kamion | tepsipakki: dailies haven't been built since we switched to soyuz. use installer-* | 03:51 |
| tepsipakki | ah, ok | 03:52 |
| Kamion | tepsipakki: in general you should always use whichever of installer-* and daily-installer-* is newer | 03:52 |
| Kamion | that's what the CD image build process does | 03:52 |
| Chipzz | doko: btw, sorry to bother you with this kind of question, but do you know when ! should be quoted in "" in bash? | 03:52 |
| Chipzz | I read the manpage but couldn't quite make sense of it | 03:52 |
| tepsipakki | kamion: yeah, sure. haven't been installing for awhile, so didn't spot this earlier | 03:52 |
| Kamion | Chipzz: always, unless you want it to perform history expansion | 03:53 |
| Kamion | Chipzz: although make sure you know the difference between ' and " | 03:53 |
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| Kamion | ' is perfectly fine to quote "; I generally only use " when I actually want variable expansion within the quotes | 03:53 |
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| Kamion | er: ' is perfectly fine to quote !, I mean | 03:54 |
| Chipzz | Kamion: the thing is, can't use '', since I have to have ' inside '' | 03:54 |
| Kamion | '\'' | 03:54 |
| Chipzz | chipzz@Vector:~$ echo '\'' | 03:55 |
| Chipzz | > | 03:55 |
| Chipzz | doesn't work | 03:55 |
| Kamion | 'foo! bar! foo'\''s bar!' => foo! bar! foo's bar! | 03:55 |
| Kamion | Chipzz: does if you're actually inside '' | 03:55 |
| Kamion | close quotes, single backslash-escaped ', reopen quotes | 03:55 |
| Chipzz | nasty :) | 03:55 |
| Kamion | but sure you can use "..." if that's more convenient due to needing to have ' in the quoted text, just make sure you know the effects | 03:56 |
| Chipzz | If enabled, history expansion will be performed unless an ! appearing in double quotes is escaped using a backslash. The backslash preceding the ! is not removed. | 03:57 |
| Chipzz | ?? | 03:57 |
| Chipzz | The backslash retains its special meaning only when followed by one of the following characters: $, `, ", \, or <newline>. | 03:58 |
| Kamion | ah yes | 04:00 |
| Kamion | $ set -H; echo "!" | 04:00 |
| Kamion | -bash: !: event not found | 04:00 |
| Kamion | use '' to quote ! | 04:01 |
| luloy | or \! | 04:01 |
| Kamion | I forgot because I always run with set +H | 04:01 |
| Kamion | hate historical history expansion | 04:01 |
| pitti | yay, CD burning with n-c-b works again | 04:02 |
| pitti | hm, write error *damn* | 04:04 |
| === pitti digs deeper | ||
| Chipzz | Kamion: you see where my confusion comes from? :) | 04:05 |
| Kamion | Chipzz: yeah | 04:05 |
| ogra | pitti, i get that if its mounted before writing ... | 04:05 |
| pitti | right | 04:05 |
| pitti | I fixed the capacity reading so far | 04:06 |
| ogra | (which always happens if i use a RW) | 04:06 |
| pitti | now I got a little further | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | chipzz@Vector:~$ set +H | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | chipzz@Vector:~$ echo "\!" | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | \! | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | chipzz@Vector:~$ set -H | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | chipzz@Vector:~$ echo "\!" | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | \! | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | grmbl | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | nasty :/ | 04:06 |
| Chipzz | :( | 04:07 |
| pitti | ogra: oh, I had gnome-mount installed, you too? | 04:07 |
| ogra | nope | 04:07 |
| pitti | ogra: it's just a local package on my disc which I never uploaded | 04:07 |
| Kamion | Chipzz: just use ' and you'll be fine | 04:07 |
| ogra | i wont touch such evil stuff :) | 04:07 |
| pitti | ogra: odd | 04:07 |
| Kamion | alternatively, "foo"\!"bar" as luloy suggests | 04:08 |
| ogra | pitti, i just noted i only have two speeds in n-c-b for my dvd writer ... | 04:08 |
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| pitti | ogra: are you sure that it didn't complain about an insufficient capacity? | 04:08 |
| ogra | cat write below 15X | 04:09 |
| ogra | yup | 04:09 |
| luloy | echo \! | 04:09 |
| luloy | aha | 04:09 |
| seb128 | ogra: lshal | grep write_speeds | 04:09 |
| ogra | i already burned and tested a x86 liveCD today ... | 04:09 |
| seb128 | ogra: lshal | grep write_speeds | grep cdrom | 04:09 |
| ogra | seb128, no output | 04:10 |
| ogra | ah, write_speed works | 04:10 |
| seb128 | is hal bog | 04:10 |
| seb128 | what do you get? | 04:11 |
| ogra | but hal only has two speeds | 04:11 |
| seb128 | that's why n-c-b has two | 04:11 |
| ogra | so n-c-b is right | 04:11 |
| seb128 | is hal bog | 04:11 |
| ogra | yup | 04:11 |
| pitti | seb128: lol, no matches for volume.disc.capacity in the hal source code :/ | 04:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: what did change between .6 and .7? | 04:22 |
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| pitti | seb128: hal 0.5.7 you mean? I think .7 will have volume.disc.capacity | 04:29 |
| pitti | seb128: but it's not yet released | 04:29 |
| seb128 | pitti: have you read the upstream bug I pointed? | 04:29 |
| pitti | seb128: I just replied to the upstream bug, btw (gnome bug 328494 ) | 04:29 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, I didn't see your pointer, I just found it myself | 04:29 |
| seb128 | k | 04:30 |
| === pitti looks at Ubugtu | ||
| pitti | Ubugtu: *poke* | 04:30 |
| seb128 | "With HAL 0.5.7 we will get the size from HAL so it won't matter that it is | 04:30 |
| seb128 | busy." | 04:30 |
| pitti | seb128: that's the O_EXCL thing, I fixed that already | 04:30 |
| seb128 | cool | 04:30 |
| pitti | but that bloody thing doesn't unmount the CD | 04:30 |
| seb128 | good luck with that :) | 04:31 |
| pitti | what's wrong with ubugtu? | 04:31 |
| pitti | gnome bug 328494 | 04:31 |
| Treenaks | *cough*Seveas*cough* | 04:31 |
| pitti | gnome bug 328494 | 04:32 |
| pitti | interesting | 04:32 |
| pitti | replies to that go to #ubuntu-desktop | 04:32 |
| === ogra hands Treenaks some cough syrup | ||
| Seveas | @quit | 04:32 |
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| Seveas | INFO 2006-02-09T16:32:12 Bugtracker.bugSnarfer called by | 04:33 |
| Seveas | pitti!n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti. | 04:33 |
| Seveas | I think the zilla was just slow :) | 04:33 |
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| ogra | or the pitti was to fast :) | 04:33 |
| pitti | Seveas: but why do replies go to #u-desktop? | 04:33 |
| pitti | Seveas: and it tried to get the malone bug | 04:33 |
| Seveas | they don't.... | 04:33 |
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| pitti | they did for me | 04:34 |
| pitti | gnome bug 328494 | 04:34 |
| pitti | Seveas: look in #u-desktop | 04:34 |
| pitti | still happening | 04:34 |
| Seveas | nothing... | 04:34 |
| pitti | -Ubugtu- Error: Error getting Malone bug #328494: Bug does not exist | 04:34 |
| Seveas | that's a notice :) | 04:34 |
| Seveas | notices only get send to the user that caused them | 04:34 |
| pitti | ah, I see | 04:34 |
| pitti | xchat bug, then | 04:35 |
| Seveas | if it shows up in #u-d, slap your irc client | 04:35 |
| Seveas | but it should not try to get the malone bug | 04:35 |
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| seb128 | pitti: should I drop gstreamer0.8 from supported too? | 04:35 |
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| seb128 | pitti: I guess it's a "yes" but just to be sure :) | 04:36 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, please | 04:36 |
| === ogra wonders if dholbach slowly turns into an advertisement mailbot :) | ||
| seb128 | thank you | 04:36 |
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| === dholbach strangles ogra slowly. | ||
| ogra | heh | 04:36 |
| dholbach | ogra: I even advertised it in the Dapper Flight 4 release notes. :-) | 04:36 |
| ogra | :) | 04:37 |
| ogra | where are these ? JaneW wanted to copy them for edubuntu flight 4 | 04:37 |
| seb128 | pitti: no need to list the stuff which are Depends of apps like plugins-good, right? | 04:37 |
| pitti | seb128: no, that would be actively bad | 04:37 |
| pitti | seb128: ideally it shouldn't appear at all | 04:38 |
| dholbach | ogra: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4 | 04:38 |
| ogra | JaneW, ^^^ | 04:38 |
| pitti | seb128: but I guess there might be some tools which aren't dependency, but which we ant | 04:38 |
| dholbach | ogra: that's not really unexpected URL, is it? :) | 04:38 |
| pitti | s/ant$/want/ | 04:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: desktop: gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-esd gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-apps, supported: gstreamer0.10-doc gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-doc | 04:38 |
| ogra | dholbach, nope, not really ... but i'm busy with CD stuff ... no time to look up wiki stuff | 04:39 |
| JaneW | ogra: reference not copy ;) | 04:39 |
| dholbach | ogra: I'm busy too. :) | 04:39 |
| ogra | JaneW, right | 04:39 |
| pitti | seb128: g-control-center already needs -alsa | 04:39 |
| JaneW | ogra: may turn out to be the same thing tho... | 04:39 |
| ogra | dholbach, hey, you have time for running bugdays :P | 04:39 |
| ogra | yup | 04:39 |
| pitti | seb128: totem, too | 04:40 |
| hno73 | Who do I complain to when kubuntu takes over my gnome desktop? Riddell :) After the latest update and reboot, both start at once :-( | 04:40 |
| pitti | seb128: the rest looks fine | 04:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: g-c-c Suggest it, totem has alsa | audiosink | 04:40 |
| ogra | hno73, there are plenty complaints in -users already | 04:40 |
| ogra | its also the other way around | 04:40 |
| pitti | seb128: that's why I wouldn't explicitly put it into desktop | 04:40 |
| hno73 | ogra: ok, that's fine then :) | 04:40 |
| ogra | heh | 04:40 |
| hno73 | I'll just wait and update in a while | 04:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: but we want it installed by default, no? | 04:41 |
| pitti | seb128: we will anyway | 04:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: so it should be listed by desktop | 04:41 |
| pitti | seb128: as I said, lots of packages depend on it | 04:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: there is an issue, -good Provides -audiosink | 04:41 |
| seb128 | and packages do Depends on alsa | audiosink | 04:41 |
| hno73 | In the meantime I have to report on some more serious breakage in at-spi (in malone) | 04:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: so if -good if installed, alsa will not be | 04:42 |
| pitti | seb128: well, ok, just add it then | 04:42 |
| pitti | doesn't matter much anyway | 04:42 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'll work with the Debian maintainer to fix that but I add it for now | 04:42 |
| seb128 | we can still fix it later | 04:42 |
| pitti | seb128: please also merge your changes to {k,edu,server}buntu | 04:42 |
| dholbach | hno73: breakage? at-spi? | 04:42 |
| seb128 | pitti: I've to learn to do that :) | 04:43 |
| Seveas | <pitti> gnome bug 328494 | 04:43 |
| Ubugtu | gnome bug 328494 in cd-burner "Burning of CD-RWs stopped working" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=328494 | 04:43 |
| hno73 | dholbach: yes, it completely breaks my X | 04:43 |
| === pitti applauds Seveas, thank you! | ||
| dholbach | hno73: oh? | 04:43 |
| hno73 | after installing at-spi and restarting X it won't start, cycles through the startup process 6 times and gives up | 04:44 |
| dholbach | hno73: Ugh! | 04:44 |
| hno73 | I'm using the nvidia drivers, perhaps I should try without | 04:44 |
| hno73 | so I can't test gok or gnopernicus | 04:44 |
| dholbach | Yeah maybe that makes it better. | 04:45 |
| hno73 | OK, I'll try that to start with | 04:45 |
| hno73 | I'm assuming I can just unistall the nvidia driver and it will fall back to nv? | 04:46 |
| ogra | you need to revert your xorg.conf manually | 04:46 |
| hno73 | ah, lovely :) | 04:47 |
| freeflying | pitti: hi | 04:47 |
| === pitti waves to freeflying | ||
| freeflying | pitti: We want modify ttf-arphic-uming for displayy chinese better , is that ok ? | 04:48 |
| freeflying | s/displayy/display | 04:48 |
| pitti | freeflying: sure, go ahead :) | 04:48 |
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| freeflying | pitti: we prepare put the configure file into /etc/fonts/conf.d/ | 04:49 |
| Riddell | hno73: what happens? | 04:49 |
| ogra | Riddell, kicker starts on gnome desktops | 04:50 |
| ogra | and gnome panel on kde desktops ... | 04:50 |
| ogra | according to ubuntu-users | 04:50 |
| Riddell | cool :) | 04:50 |
| ogra | heh | 04:51 |
| Riddell | but should be fixed in the updates I uploaded this morning | 04:51 |
| hno73 | classic cross-marketing ploy ;) | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | hiya hno73 | 04:52 |
| hno73 | jsgotangco: hi | 04:52 |
| ogra | Riddell, hno73, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-February/066772.html | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | best bug ever | 04:54 |
| ogra | "...is Canonical going for something new and exciting?" | 04:55 |
| dholbach | something new and exciting! :) | 04:55 |
| ogra | hehe | 04:55 |
| Riddell | I'll reply to him | 04:55 |
| Tm_T | =) | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | yeah reinvent bluecurve will ya | 04:55 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: indeed lovely bug =) | 04:55 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, but without the theme :) | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | oh its getting fixed? and i was really enjoying the moment that kicker konquered the desktop | 04:56 |
| ogra | oh, another dholbach ad in -motu :) | 04:57 |
| dholbach | ogra: you have too much time to read the mailing lists, if you ask me | 04:57 |
| === ogra sees dholbach with one foot in the marketing team already :) | ||
| ogra | dholbach, prolly ... | 04:58 |
| ogra | but in the end i have just a working mail notification that notifies me about mail from important people ;) | 04:58 |
| dholbach | ogra: I was just referring to your lack of time :) | 04:58 |
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| seb128 | Riddell: no objection if I drop the gst0.8 stuff you commented from kubuntu seed? | 05:03 |
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| seb128 | Riddell: I just dropped them for ubuntu and since you already commented them for kubuntu | 05:04 |
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| blueyed | Since yesterday I cannot start wine on dapper. It just says "killed". Should I open a bug on malone (with strace output) or is it supposed to be fixed with new package uploads anyway? | 05:04 |
| dholbach | blueyed: you might want to ask \sh_away | 05:05 |
| dholbach | blueyed: which version is it? | 05:05 |
| blueyed | dholbach: both with 0.9.5 from dapper and 0.9.7 from sf.net | 05:05 |
| dholbach | blueyed: hm, you might have more luck with an upstream bug report then. | 05:06 |
| blueyed | dholbach: hmm, but it worked yesterday. Must have been some dapper update. | 05:06 |
| Riddell | seb128: go ahead | 05:06 |
| seb128 | Riddell: do you want the gst0.10 listed but commented? | 05:07 |
| Riddell | seb128: yeah, please | 05:07 |
| seb128 | k, doing that now | 05:07 |
| dholbach | blueyed: Sorry, I have no idea, what could have broken it - in any case: file a bug report. | 05:07 |
| Diziet | sivang: You should install autopkgtest; it has a higher version number. Just as soon as it's through NEW in both places I'll ask for autodebtest to be removed. | 05:08 |
| blueyed | dholbach: Ok. Thanks. Should I ask sh also to add 0.9.7 instead of 0.9.5, because of at least one ugly bug where icons do not show up? File a malone report for that, too? | 05:08 |
| dholbach | blueyed: That has a different process - we're in UpstreamVersionFreeze at the moment. | 05:08 |
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| dholbach | blueyed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-January/000177.html has more information on it. | 05:09 |
| MisterN | hi | 05:09 |
| WaterSevenUb | kamion,in which inbox do u want to receive a fresh .po ?:) | 05:09 |
| mvo | Riddell: did kuser recently traveld from main to universe? | 05:10 |
| Riddell | mvo: yes | 05:13 |
| Riddell | it's old and not really maintained | 05:13 |
| Riddell | and we use guidance now | 05:14 |
| mvo | Riddell: it's fine, just confirming | 05:14 |
| blueyed | dholbach: is \sh the maintainer of the wine package? Should I ask him to send you the required info for the UVF exception? | 05:15 |
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| gicmo | hey hey | 05:15 |
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| dholbach | blueyed: he more or less took care of it, yes. | 05:16 |
| dholbach | blueyed: shouldn't hurt to talk to him. :-) | 05:16 |
| WaterSevenUb | Kamion, the debian-installer one. | 05:16 |
| gicmo | Kamion, there .. I have been told you are the guy to talk to about (I c&p) so the problem we have is that we want to ship a ubuntu cd with notebooks and we also want to ship an additional cd with e.g. speical drivers or software that should get additionly installed | 05:17 |
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| sivang | yo gicmo :) | 05:18 |
| gicmo | hey hey sivang | 05:18 |
| gicmo | sivang, how is it going? | 05:18 |
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| seb128 | k, seeds updated for gstreamer0.10 | 05:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks for the help on that :) | 05:25 |
| pitti | seb128: you're welcome | 05:25 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, ping | 05:29 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, amd64 live has a broken xserver for me ... fails with "sh: getconfig: command not found" | 05:30 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: the live cd is broken, I said a few hours ago. | 05:32 |
| ogra | ah, dmaned, missed that | 05:32 |
| ogra | *damned even | 05:32 |
| ogra | all arches ? or doesn it make sense to test the others ? | 05:33 |
| ogra | *does | 05:33 |
| sivang | gicmo: fine, fine, busy , what about you? | 05:33 |
| Mithrandir | squashfs is broken, so unless you're _really_ bored it doesn't make any sense to test them. | 05:33 |
| Mithrandir | your /dev/null is broken in static /dev in the squashfs which makes the xserver-xorg configure script exceedingly unhappy | 05:34 |
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| ogra | ok | 05:35 |
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| mvo | ping Diziet | 05:43 |
| mvo | infinity: I got a conffile prompt for /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf today during test breezy->dapper upgrade. is this a known issue? | 05:45 |
| mvo | Diziet: firefox asks me conffile questions during breezy->dapper upgrade for /etc/firefox/firefoxrc (and a bunch of others) | 05:45 |
| seb128 | mvo: did you had the details area open? | 05:45 |
| seb128 | mvo: I got my conffile double prompt issue on that conffile :p | 05:46 |
| mvo | seb128: no, that was with the dist-upgrade tool | 05:46 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 05:46 |
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| mvo | pitti: tetex-bin has a failed postinst. didn't we looked into that in london? | 05:48 |
| pitti | mvo: still? darn | 05:48 |
| mvo | pitti: I have a change from 24.1, other than that there seems to be no new version in dapper | 05:49 |
| pitti | mvo: I didn't change tetex-bin, just xmltex | 05:50 |
| mvo | pitti: oh, ok. checking the error now | 05:50 |
| pitti | which was the culprit IIRC | 05:51 |
| mvo | pitti: hm, xmltex is not installed and wasn't installed during the upgrade | 05:53 |
| pitti | any recipe for reproducing? | 05:54 |
| mvo | dist-ugprade from breezy to dapper ;) | 05:54 |
| pitti | mvo: I can take a look at it later/tomorow, but I'd like to finish repairing n-cd-burner | 05:54 |
| mvo | no, not yet | 05:54 |
| mvo | take your time, I will have a closer look in the meantime | 05:55 |
| mvo | (well, for a bit, I will leave for hockey later) | 05:55 |
| ogra | seb128, i'm updateing the edubuntu metapackages, do you want me to do that for ubuntu too ? | 05:59 |
| seb128 | to change what? | 05:59 |
| ogra | to pull in the seedchange | 06:00 |
| seb128 | ah, the packages according the seeds change | 06:00 |
| seb128 | yeah, feel free to do it | 06:00 |
| ogra | oki | 06:00 |
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| ogra | nice trade ... 20 removals for 3 additions :) | 06:01 |
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| sivang | is anyone running vmware on breezy 64bit successfuly ? | 06:02 |
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| mvo | pitti: fun, after the first failure, it installs fine on the second run. so maybe just a missing predepends | 06:12 |
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| pitti | mvo: eek, predepends | 06:12 |
| pitti | mvo: I'll try it again in my pbuilder | 06:12 |
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| Diziet | Ah, good, my ff has built this time. Silly me for yesterday's. | 06:44 |
| pitti | yay | 06:45 |
| Kinnison | Diziet: always good :-) | 06:45 |
| Diziet | pitti: And yes, I put your CVEs in this time too. | 06:47 |
| pitti | saw it, thanks | 06:47 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: I really liked you Hug Day annoucement. I would really like to get a handle on science bugs for MOTUScience | 07:03 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: cool! Add something to wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay | 07:03 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: I will, I am wondering though how MOTU Teams should handle bugs? I like they way the desktop team has https://launchpad.net/people/desktop-bugs/+packagebugs | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: but should MOTU teams be listed as bug contacts? | 07:05 |
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| dholbach | LaserJock: they could | 07:05 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: that's something we maybe should decide on in a MOTU meeting | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I am worried that MOTU as a whole would start missing bugs if a MOTU Team is the bug contact | 07:06 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: at the moment they are all assigned to 'motu', no? | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: that is why I liked the idea of MOTU Teams in LP being a subset of MOTU | 07:07 |
| dholbach | (apart from some, which are assigned to subteams) | 07:07 |
| dholbach | But you're right, we need to find a better way. | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: right, but I would like to change the bug contact to MOTUScience for science related packages for instance | 07:07 |
| dholbach | (More people first.) :) | 07:07 |
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| dholbach | Yeah, sure. | 07:07 |
| dholbach | If you have a list of packages, you can simply do that. | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: but then I also want to make sure that universe-bugs gets emailed to | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I have a list of ~450 source packages for MOTU Science | 07:08 |
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| dholbach | That's some work, then. | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: do you know how many desktop has? | 07:09 |
| dholbach | I can't tell exactly. | 07:09 |
| dholbach | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<source package>/+subscribe is the way | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: the problem especially is that right now tritium is our only member with Universe upload rights :( | 07:09 |
| dholbach | You'll move on and have more members soon. :) | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: so I we need the rest of the MOTU involved as far as uploading our patches, etc. | 07:10 |
| dholbach | Yeah, subscribe 'motureviewers' to those bugs. | 07:10 |
| dholbach | I'm off for some time now - or did you want to talk about something else? | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | no, I just wanted to say that I'll be looking forward to the Hug Day ;-) | 07:11 |
| dholbach | Yeah! Woohoo! :-) | 07:11 |
| dholbach | I'm happy to be seeing you there. :-) | 07:11 |
| dholbach | *wave* | 07:12 |
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| LaserJock | one for the road ;-) | 07:12 |
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| Treenaks | BenC: does linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-15.21 fix the 'mmc2: DMA end' log-spam for sdhci too? or should I file a bug for that? | 07:29 |
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| jbailey | mdz: ping? Can you take a look at bug 29768? We've solved the problem for dapper, but I need guidance on previous releases. To update these means a whole glibc upload. Not a horrible thing, but something that I tend to like to avoid. | 07:33 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29768 in glibc "Australian timezones incorrect for 2006" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29768 | 07:33 |
| jbailey | Ubugtu: thanks. | 07:33 |
| ogra | jbailey, youre very friendly to the bugbot :) | 07:34 |
| Burgwork | ogra, he is canadian. It is unavoidable | 07:34 |
| ogra | lol | 07:34 |
| Treenaks | ogra: You never know.. it might save his life when the Robot Revolution comes :) | 07:34 |
| ogra | hehe | 07:35 |
| jbailey | ogra: When they get smart enough and make us their slaves, I want them to always remember this. | 07:35 |
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| ogra | its logged, you can always point them there, true :) | 07:35 |
| jbailey | ogra: I suspect google will be the brain behind it all. I'm sure they'll remember, sort of like a child remembers from the age of 2 that licking the light socket was a bad idea. | 07:36 |
| ogra | LOOOL | 07:36 |
| Treenaks | jbailey: you mean you can upload new glibcs to googlenet? :) | 07:36 |
| jbailey | Treenaks: Nah, with hct and bzr branch tracking, they won't need me to upload it. | 07:37 |
| Treenaks | true | 07:37 |
| mdz | jbailey: I have no objection to a glibc upload to *-updates to fix it | 07:39 |
| mdz | with the customary caution | 07:39 |
| jbailey | mdz: 'kay. warty, hoary and breezy? | 07:39 |
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| soumyadip | can anyone tell me how to bring up scim language menu in dapper ? | 07:46 |
| mdz | jbailey: yes | 07:48 |
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| ogra | siretart, there is no "when battery is low" mode in g-p-m | 08:01 |
| siretart | ogra: but there is a slider in the 3rd tab, where I can define a limit for 'battery is low' | 08:02 |
| ogra | it shall only prevent you from running out of battery and preform actions if the battery is critical | 08:02 |
| siretart | whats this slider for? | 08:02 |
| Treenaks | siretart: it shows a notification | 08:02 |
| Treenaks | siretart: 'YOUR BATTERY IS CRITICAL! SHUTDOWN NOW OR LOSE!' | 08:02 |
| ogra | Treenaks, they are different (low vs critical) | 08:03 |
| siretart | Treenaks: interesting. this did not happened for me, it just shut down for me without any chance to save my posting | 08:03 |
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| ogra | low should pop up a warning | 08:03 |
| ogra | and critical performs an action | 08:03 |
| ogra | (low doesnt) | 08:03 |
| ogra | the action is selectable in the options tab | 08:03 |
| siretart | ogra: how can I debug hal the most painless way? | 08:04 |
| Treenaks | ogra: there is no action 'nothing' | 08:04 |
| ogra | huh ? which version are you running Treenaks ? | 08:04 |
| ogra | there is a "Do Nothing" action | 08:05 |
| Treenaks | ogra: there wasn't yesterday, it might be better today | 08:05 |
| Treenaks | ogra: hm, ok, I was thinking of the wrong selector | 08:05 |
| ogra | there was no change to the UI since weeks ... | 08:05 |
| Treenaks | ogra: the hibernate/suspend thingy | 08:05 |
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| ogra | siretart, hald has a debug option ... but its probably easier to run dbus-monitor --session and check the dbus traffic | 08:06 |
| siretart | ogra: thanks. will investigate this and search for the bug | 08:07 |
| siretart | there is no point in filing a bug that it crashed for me and there must be a bug somewhere | 08:07 |
| siretart | yet ;) | 08:07 |
| ogra | siretart, it did crash ? | 08:07 |
| ogra | you didnt say that | 08:07 |
| siretart | ogra: it crashed my notebook. | 08:08 |
| ogra | it shut down your notebook ... thats not a crash | 08:08 |
| siretart | mom | 08:08 |
| ogra | s/shut/shot/ | 08:09 |
| siretart | phon | 08:09 |
| HiddenWolf | Hm, I just accidentally made my system suspend. | 08:11 |
| HiddenWolf | System went black right away, without any indication, and I could not get it out. :/ | 08:11 |
| Treenaks | That's 2 bugs: unsuspending should work, and the system shouldn't suspend accidentally | 08:12 |
| siretart | ogra: I think there was a very very short lived message box about my session beeing saved. | 08:13 |
| ogra | Treenaks, thats only one bug ... note the "I just ... made" | 08:13 |
| HiddenWolf | Treenaks: I have the suspend key set up in gnome-keyboard as my "lock screen" key | 08:13 |
| HiddenWolf | it didn't lock, but suspended | 08:13 |
| ogra | siretart, whats your "Running on batteries" slider set to ? | 08:13 |
| siretart | ogra: on the next boot, my session was restored however. so g-p-m didn't really crash. it 'just' shut down my laptop without any warning | 08:13 |
| HiddenWolf | And yes, I just filed that. | 08:13 |
| ogra | especially the "put computer to sleep after" one ? | 08:14 |
| siretart | ogra: put display to sleep after 5 mins, put computer to sleep after 20mins | 08:14 |
| ogra | so i guess you worked 20 mins = | 08:15 |
| ogra | ? | 08:15 |
| ogra | before that happened ? | 08:15 |
| siretart | ogra: about that time, I was writing my email in the shell. I was about 20mins without AC, I think | 08:16 |
| ogra | yup... and i guess your sleep type is hibernate ? | 08:16 |
| ogra | (in the options tab) | 08:17 |
| siretart | no, it is suspend, because of bug 29634 | 08:17 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29634 in linux-source-2.6.15 "usb dead after hibernate/resume on Thinkpad R40-2772-B3G" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29634 | 08:17 |
| ogra | hmm, then thats a bug, but the rest of the behavior was perfectly right according to your settings ... i guess we need a default that sets both sliders to "never" to not surprise users | 08:18 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: hm, gpm seems not to respect my wishes on those settings | 08:19 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: setting the monitor setting to 1 minute nothing happens. | 08:20 |
| ogra | HiddenWolf, but you have gnome-screensaver installed and running ? | 08:20 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: yes | 08:20 |
| ogra | and your display is dpms enabled ? | 08:20 |
| ogra | note that g-p-m only cares for dpms ... | 08:21 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: it's a dell 2405 lcd, from last year. | 08:21 |
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| HiddenWolf | ogra: it should be. | 08:21 |
| ogra | does it ususally shut down the display power ? | 08:21 |
| HiddenWolf | yes, after a time. | 08:21 |
| HiddenWolf | I've been having issues with it since dapper. | 08:21 |
| HiddenWolf | it shutting down the monitor while watching a movie over the last few days. | 08:22 |
| HiddenWolf | not today, for some freak reason. | 08:22 |
| HiddenWolf | but g-p-m seems to have no effect. | 08:22 |
| ogra | totem works fine with gnome-screensaver, it shouldnt save the screen if you watch a movie ... | 08:22 |
| siretart | ogra: thats a great idea | 08:23 |
| ogra | other movie players miss the necessary fixes to talk to the screensaver yet | 08:23 |
| siretart | ogra: I mean to put both sliders to 'never' by default | 08:23 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: I used totem-xine | 08:23 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: and it sure as hell did. Made me get off the couch every half-hour. :) | 08:23 |
| ogra | HiddenWolf, and it saved the screen anyway ? | 08:23 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: yes. | 08:24 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: of course, today it seems to work, sorta. | 08:24 |
| ogra | hmm ... that shouldnt happen | 08:24 |
| siretart | ogra: I have another problem with gnome-screensaver: if I wake up from sleep, my screen is not locked any more. Is this a known problem? is this in acpi-support or gnome-screensaver? | 08:24 |
| ogra | its based on the g-s-s default setting ... | 08:24 |
| ogra | if you dont have lock checked, it wont lock ... | 08:25 |
| ogra | and we changed it to nopt lock at all on pittis request | 08:25 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: I've got my monitor setting to 1 minute now. and it didn't send it to sleep. I'll put it to 30 minutes like it was, and see if it does. | 08:25 |
| HiddenWolf | ogra: that might be it. | 08:25 |
| siretart | ok. lets retry | 08:26 |
| siretart | ah, you're right. now it is locking correctly | 08:27 |
| siretart | thanks | 08:27 |
| siretart | ogra: last thing for today: is xscreensaver going to be demoted to universe? | 08:28 |
| ogra | its doing all the right things for you itr seems, just the defaults are a bit insane :) | 08:28 |
| ogra | the binary, yes | 08:28 |
| ogra | the hacks will stay in main ... | 08:28 |
| siretart | why? is it that big crack? | 08:28 |
| ogra | nope, but we dont need to support two binarys of the same app | 08:29 |
| siretart | ah, ok, I understand | 08:29 |
| ogra | and g-s-s is essential for g-p-m | 08:29 |
| siretart | ogra: then g-p-s needs a depends on g-s-s, no? | 08:30 |
| ogra | nope | 08:30 |
| siretart | but you just said it was essential! | 08:30 |
| ogra | you can use g-p-m without g-s-s ... it just doesnt do the display tasks (and doesnt show display UI elements) | 08:31 |
| ogra | but you cant use g-p-m with x-s-s | 08:31 |
| siretart | ogra: so it should be at least in Recommends, no? | 08:31 |
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| ogra | so its essential for display stuff ... but not for the functionallity ... | 08:32 |
| ogra | even a suggests i think | 08:32 |
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| ogra | but not a hard dependency | 08:32 |
| siretart | ogra: anyway, would it be possible to change the depends for ubuntu-desktop from 'gnome-screensaver' to 'gnome-screensaver | xscreensaver'? I think about users who have universe enabled and want to use xscreensaver and no g-p-m at all | 08:33 |
| siretart | and have ubuntu-desktop installed for upgrade convinience | 08:33 |
| ogra | thas not how the metapackages work ... | 08:33 |
| siretart | what point did I miss? | 08:33 |
| ogra | but i could think about something like totem does | 08:34 |
| ogra | the metapackages accept no "or" in dependencys | 08:34 |
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| siretart | they do not? why not? | 08:34 |
| siretart | (I really like to understand this point) | 08:34 |
| ogra | because the seeds dont accept them ... i didnt write this setup ... | 08:35 |
| siretart | ah. I see | 08:35 |
| ogra | but you can do an additional metapackage ... like totem | 08:35 |
| _ace | hi | 08:35 |
| ogra | which indeed brings further maintenace work ... | 08:36 |
| _ace | ogra: am i disturbing you?? | 08:36 |
| ogra | and i'm not sure if x-s-s justifies that | 08:36 |
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| ogra | just to prevent -desktop from getting removed ... | 08:36 |
| ogra | which is really no biggie | 08:36 |
| ogra | _ace, nope, why should you ... | 08:36 |
| siretart | ogra: well, x-s-s offers a lot more options/preferences a user can tweak. ubuntu will be blamed for trading x-s-s with g-s-s. | 08:37 |
| ogra | _ace, oh, i didnt see the query ... i have about 50 tabs open ... | 08:37 |
| siretart | heh | 08:37 |
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| ogra | siretart, but its no prob to install x-s-s | 08:38 |
| siretart | ogra: perhaps we can have a meta-package in universe, which provides/conflicts gnome-screensaver but depends on x-s-s | 08:38 |
| siretart | ogra: having both installed is, well, confusing at least. so if I want to use x-s-s, I'd like to remove g-s-s. And now ubuntu-desktop get's deinstalled, with big potential to break upgrading to the next release | 08:39 |
| ogra | having both installed does break | 08:40 |
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| siretart | dholbach: (moving discussion from -motu here, lucas is here as well): how do I check if dmix is enabled for me? | 08:50 |
| dholbach | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnomemeeting/+bug/22488 | 08:51 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 22488 in gnomemeeting "When gnomemeeting is running no other programs can play sound" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 08:51 |
| ogra | doesnt ekiga just use gstreamer ? | 08:52 |
| siretart | dholbach: ok, then dmix works for me, but bug 30578 is still valid | 08:52 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30578 in ekiga "Ekiga uses ALSA layer, but sound card is blocked by esd" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30578 | 08:52 |
| siretart | ogra: no, it seems to use alsa directly | 08:52 |
| ogra | ouch | 08:52 |
| ogra | tahst bad if your audiosink is esd indeed | 08:52 |
| dholbach | It'd make sense to follow up on the upstream bug (lucas found) with the information of the bug. | 08:53 |
| siretart | where to choose the default audio sink? | 08:53 |
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| dholbach | bbl | 08:54 |
| dholbach | *wave* | 08:54 |
| siretart | cu dholbach | 08:54 |
| dholbach | cu siretart | 08:54 |
| ogra | dholbach, thats pretty pointless if it doesnt use gstreame though ... the autosink pitti wrote is pretty uniqe and does expect that everything uses gstreamer | 08:54 |
| dholbach | ogra: hm? | 08:54 |
| ogra | go for your dogwalk ... | 08:55 |
| ogra | we can talk later about bugs ... | 08:55 |
| siretart | ogra: do you really expect every program to use gstreamer? there are so many legacy apps out there which use alsa directly | 08:55 |
| dholbach | ogra: I have no idea, what you are talking about and I didn't suggest much apart from following up on the upstream bug. :) | 08:55 |
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| ogra | dholbach, which i said is pointless if ekiga doesnt use gstreamer at all ... | 08:55 |
| ogra | siretart, yes, but we dont expect apps to use esd if possible ... | 08:56 |
| dholbach | ogra: which upstream bug do you refer to? | 08:56 |
| siretart | ogra: does esd support recording at all? | 08:56 |
| ogra | siretart, i think there are client tools in esound-clients to do that ... | 08:57 |
| ogra | dholbach, nevermind, i'm up to long already, i read "Ekiga uses esd, but sound card is blocked by ALSA" | 08:58 |
| ogra | sorry ... | 08:58 |
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| dholbach | ogra: don't worry - i just didn't get it :-) | 08:58 |
| siretart | ogra: no, it is the other way round. ekiga doesn't work because esd blocks the soundcard | 08:59 |
| ogra | siretart, yes | 08:59 |
| lucas | the upstream is only similar, it's not the same bug | 09:05 |
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| Kamion | siretart: honestly I think it would be better for users in the long run to make xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver cooperate better with each other so you can have both installed | 09:25 |
| Kamion | siretart: that way if different users on the same system prefer a different screensaver program, they can have it | 09:26 |
| siretart | Kamion: thats right. | 09:26 |
| Kamion | this conflicts business is just a pain in the arse | 09:26 |
| === siretart ponders how they could cooperate nicely | ||
| siretart | first problem is that there are 2 screensaver entries in the Settings menu. this is really confusing | 09:27 |
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| siretart | next, how to choose which screensaver should be active, and how to prohibit that the 2 don't run at the same time | 09:28 |
| seb128 | GNOME starts gnome-screensaver by default and try xscreensaver if the first is not installed | 09:28 |
| siretart | seb128: so gnome-session needs to be enhanced so the user can choose which screensaver he wants to use, right? | 09:29 |
| seb128 | "need" no | 09:30 |
| seb128 | but you could do that probably yep | 09:30 |
| seb128 | patches are welcome | 09:30 |
| siretart | well, in order to make the two screensavers cooperate nicely, that is | 09:30 |
| seb128 | I don't think upstream or desktop team is going to work on that | 09:30 |
| seb128 | they do cooperate nicely | 09:30 |
| siretart | sure. wouldn't this be a nice bounty? ;) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | xscreensaver is ignored if gnome-screensaver is installed | 09:31 |
| seb128 | no | 09:31 |
| seb128 | it's not useful enough to be a bounty | 09:31 |
| siretart | j/k | 09:31 |
| seb128 | and it's probably an 1 hour work for any contributor which knows how to code a bit | 09:31 |
| pitti | hi again | 09:31 |
| seb128 | wb pitti | 09:31 |
| siretart | wb pitti | 09:31 |
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| ubijtsa | good evening.. | 10:02 |
| ubijtsa | who would be the right person to talk to about /etc/security/limits.conf ? | 10:03 |
| mdz | this channel or the ubuntu-devel mailing list | 10:05 |
| ubijtsa | ok, lesse if anyone bites... I had a mail exchange with someone off LKML, about the cdrecord debacle.. | 10:05 |
| ubijtsa | there is a setting, RLIMIT_STACK, that can be tuned through /etc/security/limits.conf | 10:06 |
| ubijtsa | would it be an idea to set a default on that perhaps? | 10:06 |
| ubijtsa | it was suggested that 512kB would be a better setting than the default 8MB | 10:07 |
| ubijtsa | I have done some light testing this evening, and the memory usage drops not an unsignificant amount for a Gnome or KDE desktop | 10:08 |
| ubijtsa | it's just an idea... | 10:08 |
| mdz | how are you measuring memory usage? | 10:09 |
| ubijtsa | Log out and back in and the VSZ of your desktop apps should drop | 10:09 |
| ubijtsa | dramatically... | 10:09 |
| ubijtsa | bummer | 10:09 |
| ubijtsa | scratch that line | 10:10 |
| ubijtsa | Just looking at the overall memory consumption of the system using System Monitor | 10:11 |
| ubijtsa | The blue part of the graph shrank back noticably. I will leave running and will test with different applications if any adverse effects. | 10:12 |
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| mdz | VSZ isn't a good indicator of memory usage | 10:15 |
| mdz | I don't know what the system monitor uses | 10:15 |
| ubijtsa | Okay. I can save the data from /proc/meminfo, with it enabled and disabled. That should give some idea of specific numbers. | 10:17 |
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| mdz | even if the process maps an 8M stack, the memory isn't allocated unless it's actually used | 10:21 |
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| ralph_ | mvo: I heard you are the one to talk to about a dist-upgrade | 10:24 |
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| ubijtsa | mdz: let me collect stats on my box for the session I use. if I can say how much % difference it makes it may be better. | 10:25 |
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| mvo | ralph_: yes | 10:26 |
| ralph_ | Just tried an upgrade from 5.10 to dapper. | 10:26 |
| ralph_ | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade | 10:27 |
| mvo | ralph_: we are writing a tool for this | 10:27 |
| ralph_ | no errors | 10:27 |
| mvo | ralph_: no errors? nice :) so everything worked fine? | 10:28 |
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| ralph_ | Now I tried to reboot and the system stops the boot process somewhere. I want to contribute and post the bug somewhere. What do I do. | 10:28 |
| ralph_ | (at least I got the consoles to work with) | 10:28 |
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| mvo | ralph_: so no X ? or problems mounting root | 10:29 |
| mvo | that is, problems mounting the root fs? | 10:29 |
| ralph_ | no x but all the consoles. Can't change the inits, can't check alt-f8 to look at the messages. | 10:30 |
| mvo | ralph_: can you please send me a copy of your initramfs | 10:30 |
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| ralph_ | I'd like to, but how do I do that? | 10:31 |
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| MisterN | n8 | 10:56 |
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| dholbach | night mvo | 11:37 |
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