| jsgotangco | ogra, did we have an am64 overflow? the iso is almost 700mb | 12:04 |
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| flint | ogra, happens while trying to build the LTSP chroot... | 12:39 |
| flint | ogra, here at the lab station, I have the old breezy edubuntu unit one swtich postion away from the new dapper machine so I can switch between the two and see the error. | 12:40 |
| flint | DEBUG: configure ltsp-client-builder status 4 | 12:44 |
| flint | main menu[2036] : WARNING ***12 | 12:45 |
| flint | disregard line above ^ | 12:45 |
| flint | main menu[2036] : WARNING ***: Configuring 'ltsp-client-builder' failed with error code 100 | 12:47 |
| flint | main menu[2036] : WARNING ***: Menu Item 'ltsp-client-builder' failed | 12:49 |
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| flint | mhz enjoy dinner... | 01:07 |
| bart11 | hello ppl | 01:10 |
| bart11 | hey ogra: u awake?? | 01:11 |
| mhz_dinner | flint: sorry I am too dumb but where / how can I get to see CookBook ? | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 01:13 |
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| flint | mhz_dinner, oh yea, I like that woman! | 01:13 |
| bart11 | jsgotangco: hi | 01:14 |
| flint | jsgotangco, keep in mind, I am not directly involved with this process. my fetish is setting up a lab to do testing. | 01:14 |
| jsgotangco | tech pr0n | 01:14 |
| flint | the question that I would ask mhz is did he realy put new material in the docbox bzr? | 01:15 |
| flint | the docbox bzr is where all this stuff should be and were it should be available. | 01:15 |
| flint | ogra, you out there buddy? | 01:15 |
| flint | ogra, I have been swtiching back and forth between these two machines getting a hand copy of be bottom of <alt> 1,3 & 4 on the sick puppy. | 01:16 |
| flint | ogra, give me a sign... I know it is late in CE. | 01:17 |
| bart11 | guys, does linux now support writing to ntfs? | 01:18 |
| flint | bart11, yea, you use the ntfs drivers in an emulation mode, or there is a native driver, take your pick (and your chances!) why do you want to do such a non fun thing? | 01:19 |
| bart11 | well... i have no choice hehhehe | 01:21 |
| flint | note that you can mount the damn thing read only using the mount command. | 01:22 |
| flint | bart11, if you have some partition space, then you can copy the stuff to a decent partition type. | 01:22 |
| bart11 | a fat32 would be better taht using a ntfs right? | 01:23 |
| flint | bart11, if you need to continue to read this stuff in the window$ domain, put this data in a fat32 partiton | 01:23 |
| bart11 | ok thanx... | 01:23 |
| flint | bart11, and next time ONLY use fat32 and your life will be happy all the time! | 01:23 |
| bart11 | i'm just learning linux now... hehhee | 01:24 |
| flint | bart11, fat32 is native to both os's I (and pardon the hypocracy) keep a lot of personal data in giant fat32 partitions that belong to hard drives mounted under my userid. | 01:25 |
| bart11 | thanx | 01:25 |
| flint | bart11, these are great places to store bulk files (eg multimedia), whatever | 01:25 |
| flint | bart11, fat32 is your friend, ntfs is not. | 01:26 |
| bart11 | thanx for the info. | 01:26 |
| bart11 | hey flint, do you know a god dvd authoring software i can use on linux? | 01:27 |
| jsgotangco | as in making dvd movies? | 01:30 |
| bart11 | yup | 01:35 |
| bart11 | that i can use on edubuntu, that's the only reason im stuck usung a winderz box | 01:36 |
| Burgwork | bart11, this just got packaged --> ' http://pitivi.sourceforge.net/ | 01:36 |
| bart11 | wait i'll go to that | 01:37 |
| bart11 | thanx burgwork | 01:44 |
| bart11 | i'll try it out | 01:44 |
| Burgwork | bart11, np | 01:45 |
| bart11 | have u tried it out? | 01:45 |
| Burgwork | nope | 01:47 |
| bart11 | ok. | 01:54 |
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| flint | bart11, you did not hear this from me but go install automatix... | 02:05 |
| Burgwork | flint, please don't recommend that | 02:05 |
| Burgwork | bart11, if you must use something, use easyubuntu | 02:05 |
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| flint | ok gocha | 02:05 |
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| MotherLUG | I was wondering if someone could advise me about who the correct person is that I need to contact about a problem in one of the webpages please | 02:28 |
| Burgwork | MotherLUG, which page? | 02:30 |
| MotherLUG | http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html | 02:30 |
| MotherLUG | the icon for screenshots is there but the word screenshots disappears on this page only | 02:31 |
| Burgwork | MotherLUG, email henrik at henrik@canonical.com | 02:31 |
| MotherLUG | Burgwork, Thankyou :D | 02:31 |
| Burgwork | MotherLUG, np | 02:32 |
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| bart11 | what is easybuntu? | 02:38 |
| Burgwork | bart11, another script for installing stuff | 02:38 |
| bart11 | ah ok | 02:39 |
| jsgotangco | 200mb for 5 kde apps is so wrong... | 02:40 |
| Burgwork | jsgotangco, is that what we need for the kdedu stuff? | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | ppc and amd64 overflows | 02:41 |
| Burgwork | kdedu is more than 5 apps | 02:41 |
| jsgotangco | that's still a lot of space for a few kde apps | 02:42 |
| Burgwork | yes | 02:42 |
| Burgwork | but there are no other options | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | yep not at this time | 02:42 |
| Burgwork | we ran into the same issue at work | 02:42 |
| Burgwork | http://userful.com/products/discoverstation-kids | 02:43 |
| jsgotangco | what about it? | 02:47 |
| Burgwork | wondered what you thought and if there is anything we can borrow for edubuntu | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | i don't think we'll be using gartoon as default | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | Denemo looks useful if not niche | 02:49 |
| Burgwork | is edubuntu switching away from gartoon? | 02:50 |
| flint | ok gocha | 02:50 |
| flint | Burgwork, does easybuntu install all the multimedia stuff? | 02:51 |
| Burgwork | flint, I think so. I hate things like easyubuntu | 02:52 |
| Burgwork | if you need to install something by deafult, use fai or kickstart | 02:52 |
| flint | Burgwork, you all are in the userful space, which is all usb 2.0. | 02:52 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgwork, i believe the plan is having the capability to switch to three themes according to the audience level | 02:52 |
| jsgotangco | he works at userful | 02:52 |
| flint | Burgwork, that is very cool. I have seen a userful install in Takoma Park Maryland, USA. | 02:53 |
| Burgwork | small world | 02:53 |
| flint | Burgwork, my question is could you use an ltsp type architecture over usb 2.0 | 02:54 |
| Burgwork | ltsp is network based | 02:54 |
| Burgwork | userful actually has a customer that uses our stuff over ltsp | 02:54 |
| flint | Burgwork, by this I mean instead of using a multi headed monitor card and usb keyboards and mice | 02:54 |
| Burgwork | no idea, I do sales | 02:55 |
| flint | Burgwork, you use the speedy usb2.0 as the network media to interconnect ltsp workstations | 02:55 |
| flint | Burgwork, which tftp boot off their usb devices... | 02:55 |
| flint | Burgwork, where | 02:55 |
| Burgwork | hmm, lost me there. I am not a highly technical person | 02:56 |
| flint | Burgwork, where is your sales territory? | 02:56 |
| Burgwork | arizona, colorado, kansas, oklahoma, louisiana, missouri, alaska, manitoba, nova scotia, newfoundland and bits of ontario and michigan | 02:57 |
| LinuxJones | Burgwork, what do you sell ? | 02:58 |
| flint | Burgwork, are you selling mostly to municipalities or to private educational institutions? | 02:58 |
| Burgwork | LinuxJones, http://userful.com/products/library-ds | 02:58 |
| Burgwork | flint, libraries | 02:58 |
| flint | LinuxJones, he sells Userful | 02:58 |
| flint | Burgwork, yea that is a good niche for Userful. | 02:59 |
| LinuxJones | flint, I have been away for 5 months without internet access :D | 02:59 |
| flint | LinuxJones, ah prison again, got to stay off the pipe ma man... :^) | 02:59 |
| flint | LinuxJones, seriously, how did you survive without the bit spike in your vein? | 03:00 |
| LinuxJones | flint, almost I was working in Alberta :) | 03:00 |
| flint | LinuxJones, aw come on, they have running water, electricity, fire and internet in Alberta! | 03:01 |
| flint | LinuxJones, indooor plumbing is a touchy subject in that part of Canada... | 03:01 |
| LinuxJones | flint, yeah but I didn't have my computer, I was busy working 7 days a week | 03:01 |
| flint | LinuxJones, what is your trade? Not computer related? | 03:02 |
| LinuxJones | flint, I am a construction worker | 03:02 |
| flint | LinuxJones, gotcha. hope it was indoor finishing you were up to and not sloping concrete on forms in the snow. | 03:03 |
| flint | ogra, where the hell are you ma man!!! | 03:03 |
| LinuxJones | flint, even worse I was working as an Insulator, yes it was all outside work | 03:03 |
| flint | LinuxJones, spray insulation or batting? | 03:04 |
| flint | LinuxJones, spray would not be too damn bad, but foam or batting needs to be stapled or nailed in. | 03:04 |
| LinuxJones | flint, Insulating pipes at an Oil refinery, they use molded insulation | 03:04 |
| flint | LinuxJones, interesting those foam sleve things in various colors and sizes... | 03:05 |
| flint | gota go sksk | 03:05 |
| LinuxJones | flint, I'm going out Scaffolding when I go back out | 03:05 |
| LinuxJones | bye | 03:05 |
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| jelkner | can anyone here tell me the easiest way to setup zope3 instances in a user's home directory for learning/development purposes? | 03:15 |
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| mhz | flint: ping | 03:46 |
| mhz | flint: sorry I am too dumb but where / how can I get to see CookBook ? | 03:46 |
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| flint | mhz, has ollie been around? | 04:06 |
| mhz | yes and nope | 04:06 |
| mhz | he's been in suffer | 04:06 |
| bart11 | hi mhz! | 04:06 |
| mhz | his back is in pain | 04:06 |
| mhz | bart11: hi | 04:06 |
| bart11 | how was dinner?? | 04:08 |
| flint | mhz ouch!!! | 04:08 |
| mhz | flint: will you ever feel like responding my question ? ;) | 04:08 |
| flint | to recap: | 04:08 |
| flint | keep in mind, I am not directly involved with this process. my fetish is setting up a lab to do testing. | 04:08 |
| flint | the question that I would ask mhz is did he realy put new material in the docbox bzr? | 04:08 |
| flint | the docbox bzr is where all this stuff should be and were it should be | 04:08 |
| flint | ogra, you out there buddy? | 04:08 |
| mhz | flint: no have not because I have never seen any cookbook yet | 04:09 |
| flint | mhz yesterday morning did you say something about putting material out on the docbox? | 04:09 |
| flint | it is on the docbox | 04:09 |
| flint | you have an account | 04:09 |
| mhz | flint: do i? still? | 04:10 |
| flint | absolutely. | 04:10 |
| mhz | wow | 04:10 |
| flint | docbox.flint.com | 04:10 |
| flint | do you remember the username and password? | 04:10 |
| mhz | not at all | 04:10 |
| mhz | flint: however I know zero about docbook | 04:11 |
| flint | give me your phone number and I will skype you. do you remember your username? | 04:11 |
| flint | it is docbox not docbook. docbox is a bzr repository. | 04:11 |
| flint | anyone has read priviledges. | 04:11 |
| mhz | duh! | 04:12 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:12 |
| flint | if your username is mhz you may remember the default password. | 04:12 |
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| flint | that's the spirit. I am now going to do something else... | 04:13 |
| flint | sksk | 04:13 |
| mhz | WOW! elive pre-release is out! http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=1431 | 04:14 |
| mhz | nice work! | 04:14 |
| === jsgotangco hasn't seen a cookbook either | ||
| mhz | and I can't log in to that server :( | 04:31 |
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| Brunellus | hi there. can anyone help me get dhcpd up? | 04:45 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: why would xfonts-artwiz package let me use its fonts for the window interfaces and xchat and gimp, BUT for inkscape? | 04:46 |
| Brunellus | I keep trying to start/stop/restart dhcp3-server, and it keeps returning "failed" how do I get it up and running? | 04:46 |
| mhz | Brunellus: hi | 04:46 |
| mhz | what edubuntu version are you using? | 04:46 |
| Brunellus | mhz, I'm not really using edubuntu | 04:46 |
| Brunellus | but I figured I'd ask here, since there was a beter chance that people here boot off the network | 04:47 |
| mhz | hmm, yes and nope | 04:47 |
| mhz | it all depends on what your settings are | 04:47 |
| mhz | Brunellus: could you see the error in /var/log/dhcpd.log ? | 04:48 |
| Brunellus | no such log | 04:48 |
| mhz | and/or could you use pastebin to let us see your confs? | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i dunno maybe inkscape only prefers vector-based fonts | 04:48 |
| Brunellus | mhz, do I just paste to #pastebin? | 04:49 |
| mhz | Brunellus: sorry, messages | 04:49 |
| Brunellus | shall I message you with my configs? | 04:50 |
| mhz | I mean /var/log/messages | 04:50 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: good point | 04:51 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: but nah. | 04:51 |
| mhz | Brunellus: hmm, I can't remember a pastebin rightnow.. let me see | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | true | 04:52 |
| mhz | Brunellus: http://pastebin.com/ | 04:53 |
| bart11 | hey jsgotangco: i found a nice dvd software, but its a debian package can i instal it? | 04:53 |
| mhz | that will give you a url + # | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | what dvd software? | 04:53 |
| mhz | you paste whatever there and then save it | 04:53 |
| bart11 | dvd styler | 04:53 |
| bart11 | for authoring | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | url? | 04:54 |
| mhz | Brunellus: then you provide the url+# here | 04:54 |
| bart11 | http://dvdstyler.sourceforge.net/downloads.html | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | it probably won't work | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | you could compile though :) | 04:55 |
| bart11 | y? | 04:55 |
| Brunellus | http://pastebin.com/547831 | 04:55 |
| Brunellus | that's dhcpd.conf | 04:55 |
| bart11 | how do i conmpile? | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | gcc4 | 04:55 |
| bart11 | ok, is it easy to compile?? | 04:56 |
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| Brunellus | I should explain what I'm trying to do | 04:58 |
| mhz | shoot | 04:59 |
| Brunellus | I am trying to follow the directions for a localnet install on this wikipage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet | 04:59 |
| Brunellus | I have done everything else...the only thing that's left, apparently, is to have my dhcp server up on this machine | 05:00 |
| Brunellus | this machine (funes) will serve a boot image to a new machine | 05:00 |
| mhz | Brunellus: yup, I understand your idea | 05:01 |
| mhz | it seems to me you need to add more lines to it | 05:01 |
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| Brunellus | what shall I add? | 05:01 |
| mhz | option routers 192.168.... | 05:01 |
| mhz | else, I dont think your machines will get ip, right jsgotangco ? | 05:02 |
| mhz | maybe, even option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255 | 05:03 |
| Brunellus | so option routers 192.168.1.1 | 05:03 |
| Brunellus | option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255 | 05:03 |
| Brunellus | ? | 05:03 |
| mhz | yup | 05:04 |
| mhz | and I am not sure if syntax must be strict | 05:04 |
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| mhz | but I'd place the closing '{' with no indentation (that is on the left margin) | 05:05 |
| Brunellus | fail and fail | 05:05 |
| Brunellus | OK, for those two option lines | 05:06 |
| Brunellus | what is the syntax? | 05:06 |
| mhz | Brunellus: could you read /var/log/message | 05:06 |
| Brunellus | dhcpd: wrote 245 leases to leases file | 05:07 |
| Brunellus | then a blank entry | 05:07 |
| mhz | and.. where's the error entry? | 05:07 |
| Brunellus | error entry? | 05:07 |
| mhz | Brunellus: you said that dhcp server fails. | 05:08 |
| mhz | how you know that? | 05:08 |
| Brunellus | sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart | 05:08 |
| Brunellus | *stopping DHCP server..... [fail] | 05:08 |
| Brunellus | *starting DHCP server.... [fail] | 05:08 |
| Brunellus | so what gives? | 05:11 |
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| mhz | Brunellus: then I am sorry. If message doesn't provide a message indicating what is actually failing.. no idea. | 05:14 |
| Brunellus | ugh. | 05:14 |
| mhz | or Brunellus you could install Edubuntu, use its dhcp settings and just change 2 lines so it also lets you netboot | 05:15 |
| bart11 | hey guyz, is it easy to compile?? | 05:16 |
| mhz | it was for me loong ago when I used gentoo for a couple of months | 05:21 |
| bart11 | hey mhz how r u? | 05:24 |
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| mhz | bart11: alive and kicking and changing a couple of ideas I had and were just about 30 minutes in inkscape. They have taken over 2 hours now. | 05:27 |
| bart11 | oh cool... | 05:27 |
| bart11 | can i install a deb package on edubuntu or i have to recompile it? | 05:27 |
| mhz | bart11: you mean a package.deb ? | 05:31 |
| mhz | what package? | 05:31 |
| bart11 | i'll send u the homepage.. jsut a min | 05:32 |
| bart11 | http://dvdstyler.sourceforge.net/ | 05:32 |
| mhz | bart11: well, if you can install it, yes you can. If it will brake something, no idea. | 05:40 |
| mhz | dpkg -i package.deb | 05:41 |
| bart11 | how about if i just recompile it? | 05:41 |
| Brunellus | OK mhz, I'm installing edubuntu-server and seeing if that doesn't fix this | 05:46 |
| mhz | Brunellus: be optimistic.. | 05:47 |
| mhz | "see if this fixes it" | 05:47 |
| mhz | bart11: then you'd be making sure it will be optimised for your os | 05:47 |
| Brunellus | mhz: IME, optimism is misplaced when learning new ways to install stuff | 05:47 |
| mhz | hehee, trondm_gone Brunellus | 05:48 |
| mhz | hehee, true Brunellus | 05:48 |
| Brunellus | from what I can see it's hauling in a lot of stuff I wanted anyway | 05:48 |
| Brunellus | but it doesn't seem to be preconfiguring anything that I haven't touched already | 05:49 |
| Brunellus | HOLY HEADS OF CATTLE | 05:52 |
| Brunellus | DHCP server is UP! | 05:52 |
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| mhz | Brunellus: good luck! | 05:56 |
| Brunellus | Ok but now it won't boot | 05:56 |
| Brunellus | h'm | 05:56 |
| mhz | Brunellus: one thing is dhcp provides IP | 05:56 |
| Brunellus | so how do I get it to boot now? | 05:56 |
| mhz | Brunellus: and other thing is your 'clients' can boot from server | 05:57 |
| Brunellus | OK, the client won't boot. it's hwoing "media test failure, check cable" | 05:57 |
| Brunellus | the cable is known to be good | 05:57 |
| mhz | Brunellus: breezy or dapper? | 05:57 |
| Brunellus | mhz breezy | 05:57 |
| mhz | Brunellus: try 2 more times | 05:58 |
| Brunellus | ? | 05:58 |
| mhz | (this has happened before | 05:58 |
| Brunellus | try what 2 more times? | 05:58 |
| mhz | to boot clients | 05:58 |
| Brunellus | second trial... | 05:58 |
| Brunellus | no, doesn't go. | 05:59 |
| Brunellus | shall I restart the dchp server? | 05:59 |
| mhz | Brunellus: hold on... | 05:59 |
| mhz | you have two machines? | 06:00 |
| Brunellus | correct! | 06:00 |
| mhz | 1 server and 1 client | 06:00 |
| Brunellus | yes. | 06:00 |
| Brunellus | client is connected directly to server | 06:00 |
| mhz | cross cable? | 06:00 |
| Brunellus | no, straight. ugh. | 06:00 |
| mhz | or normal ethernet cable? | 06:01 |
| Brunellus | normal ethernet cable | 06:01 |
| mhz | no way that will boot! | 06:01 |
| Brunellus | haa! | 06:01 |
| mhz | you need cross cable | 06:01 |
| Brunellus | I need a switch? | 06:01 |
| mhz | or a switch ? | 06:01 |
| mhz | yes | 06:01 |
| mhz | :D | 06:01 |
| Brunellus | I have a spare old linksys router/switch/wireless access point lying around | 06:01 |
| Brunellus | reckon that'll work? | 06:01 |
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| Brunellus | no non o | 06:02 |
| Brunellus | as in | 06:02 |
| Brunellus | it is also a 4-port router/switch | 06:02 |
| mhz | I have tried edubuntu like these 2 configs: ISP cable modem -> Server -> switch -> clients || OR ... server -> cross cable -> clients | 06:03 |
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| mhz | Brunellus: AFAIK, 'routers' include their own dhcp server | 06:04 |
| mhz | so, placing a router in between server | router | client wont work either | 06:04 |
| Brunellus | if I disable the router's dhcp server? | 06:04 |
| Brunellus | IOW, if I lobotomize it | 06:05 |
| mhz | then it will act as a switch (i guess) and then it will work | 06:05 |
| Brunellus | grand | 06:05 |
| mhz | lol | 06:05 |
| mhz | bart11: sudo apt-cache show lg-issue83 | 06:07 |
| mhz | that number has a nice article about DVD authoring | 06:08 |
| bart11 | m using a win box now... | 06:09 |
| bart11 | brb | 06:12 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra, hmm i wonder if the new amd64 build is good to go now | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | Binaries from lsb 3.0-12ubuntu1 cannot be installed: | 10:44 |
| ogra | looks still a bit broken ... | 10:45 |
| ogra | but you can only try :) | 10:45 |
| jsgotangco | burning it now | 10:45 |
| ogra | i'll test it myself during the day ... | 10:45 |
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| jsgotangco | wooooo accessibility option! | 11:13 |
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| jsgotangco | hrmm | 11:19 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, does a cd-rom integrity failure mean anything for the whole distro not working? | 11:20 |
| ogra | it does mean that your install will very likely fail | 11:20 |
| jsgotangco | right | 11:20 |
| ogra | and even more likely you can fix it by burning at lower speed | 11:20 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, i meant during the time the iso was built by the server... | 11:23 |
| ogra | where do you see a integrity failure there ? | 11:24 |
| jsgotangco | openoffice | 11:24 |
| ogra | ?? | 11:24 |
| jsgotangco | im burning a new cd to verify again | 11:24 |
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| jsgotangco | "slowly" | 11:25 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 11:25 |
| ogra | good | 11:25 |
| ogra | :) | 11:25 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm the files are so compressed | 11:40 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, ltsp chroot fails at 50% | 11:52 |
| ogra | can you look at the console with which error ? | 11:53 |
| ogra | tty3 should have it | 11:53 |
| jsgotangco | hold on im trying it again | 11:53 |
| jsgotangco | couldn't find package inputattach | 11:54 |
| ogra | ah | 11:54 |
| ogra | ok | 11:54 |
| jsgotangco | removing 'local diversion of /sbin/start-top-demon etc.... | 11:54 |
| jsgotangco | that's the build i took from current an hour ago | 11:55 |
| ogra | yup | 11:55 |
| ogra | inputattach was a dependency for ltsp-client ... debian requested to take it out of the deps ... | 11:55 |
| ogra | i forgot to add it to a seed to have it on the CD ... | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | is there a workaround? | 11:56 |
| ogra | (deps are automatically added) | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | i'll rsync later | 11:56 |
| ogra | wait a while ... i'll add it to the seeds and rebuild the CD | 11:56 |
| ogra | 1h .... | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | okie | 11:57 |
| jsgotangco | amd64 btw | 11:57 |
| ogra | could do it in 20min, but the seeds take time to sync | 11:57 |
| ogra | it will be missing on all arched | 11:58 |
| ogra | arches | 11:58 |
| jsgotangco | its ok i'll just rsync tommorow morning | 11:58 |
| jsgotangco | (7pm) | 11:58 |
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| eds0n | has anyone here done any performance test on servers running edubuntu with several clients? | 01:11 |
| spacey | what kind of performance tests? | 01:17 |
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| MotherLUG | Hi Is anyone aware of a PPC version of Edubuntu coming and secondly, Is a Live CD for Edubuntu on the cards? | 01:21 |
| ogra | yes and yes | 01:21 |
| MotherLUG | wooohooo, please let it be with dapper | 01:21 |
| ogra | it will ;) | 01:21 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/ | 01:22 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/ | 01:22 |
| MotherLUG | ogra, You have made my day | 01:22 |
| ogra | feel free to test and report breakage to me :) | 01:23 |
| eds0n | spacey: performance when the clients load regular progs as firefox, openoffice etc. Bandwith, RAM, CPU | 01:23 |
| eds0n | spacey: thinking of removing RAM to see how it affects performance tests | 01:23 |
| MotherLUG | ogra, I certainly will. I need to learn it inside and out before I do the big presentation at my sons school | 01:24 |
| ogra | :) | 01:24 |
| mhz | .oO( ogras has usually been people's day maker) | 01:24 |
| mhz | MotherLUG: how old's your son? | 01:25 |
| MotherLUG | 8 in April | 01:28 |
| MotherLUG | I have arranged for his school to get 13 Powermacs donated , and I so want to put edubuntu on them | 01:29 |
| mhz | MotherLUG: I wrote an little article about edubuntu for primary school | 01:29 |
| mhz | MotherLUG: it's in spanish, but maybe you can get someone to trasnlate it into spanish | 01:30 |
| mhz | into english | 01:30 |
| mhz | duh! | 01:30 |
| MotherLUG | mhz, I would love to try | 01:33 |
| ogra | mhz, i didnt know your spanish was *this* bad :P | 01:33 |
| mhz | ehehehe | 01:34 |
| ogra | :) | 01:34 |
| mhz | ogra: back better, uh? | 01:34 |
| ogra | heh, yes | 01:34 |
| mhz | ;) | 01:34 |
| ogra | busy trying to get the CDs in shape | 01:35 |
| mhz | I could easily tell | 01:35 |
| ogra | even if flight4 wont come before the weekend | 01:35 |
| mhz | oooh | 01:35 |
| mhz | but was it planned to? | 01:35 |
| mhz | MotherLUG: i'll upload it in 1 minute | 01:36 |
| mhz | ogra: can I use your knowledge again? | 01:36 |
| ogra | flight releases are never *planned* | 01:36 |
| MotherLUG | mhz, great thankyou | 01:37 |
| ogra | they happen if the archive is in shape to do them ... | 01:37 |
| ogra | we only have rough dates ... | 01:37 |
| ogra | mhz, ask away | 01:37 |
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| mhz | I installed xfonts-artwiz package. It seems it has a small bug. It is installed to a non common path for fonts. I can either link uncommon path to common fonts path OR unpack the source to the common path. However, Gimp and other apps do see the fonts listed and I can use them. BUT inkscape (a VERY important tool) only lists the fonts name but they look exactly the same, no diff at all. | 01:39 |
| ogra | something with /usr/X11R6 in it ? | 01:39 |
| mhz | ogra: re f4, hence I made that almost retoric question "but was it planned to?" | 01:39 |
| ogra | we wanted it before the weekend ... | 01:40 |
| mhz | F4/ oh, I see | 01:40 |
| mhz | fonts/ rephrase please | 01:40 |
| ogra | the path they get installed to, does it contain X11R6 ?# | 01:41 |
| ogra | and is this in dapper ? | 01:41 |
| ogra | note that i cant do much about breezy breakages | 01:41 |
| spacey | eds0n: not tested you, however i'm wondering about performance when someone uses a flash site in firefox | 01:41 |
| mhz | BTW, I am in page 20 or something in the Debian doc on packaging. So far it seems it is just a matter of using a couple of commands and test the resuting package. Unless it gets difficult in the next pages, I'd say it is not big deal | 01:42 |
| ogra | it is no big deal :) | 01:42 |
| ogra | the big deal is to know all the policy docs for specific stuff ... even i sometimes get hit by my colleagues for non policy compliant packages | 01:43 |
| mhz | ogra: DEB/ so why it sounded SO big a deal? AFAIK, I am not the one with that "cryptic" feeling these .deb things are only for real enlightened people | 01:43 |
| mhz | oooh, that. | 01:43 |
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| mhz | ogra: re fonts/ yup, breezy. | 01:45 |
| mhz | so, never mind, I'll wiki the solution | 01:45 |
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| mhz | and once I can play with dapper i'll see if it is solved | 01:46 |
| ogra_ | hmpf | 01:46 |
| mhz | hmpf? | 01:51 |
| ogra_ | daily disconnect | 01:51 |
| mhz | ahh | 01:51 |
| mhz | MotherLUG: http://www.ubuntu-cl.org/Wiki/EdubuntuArticuloPrimaria | 02:02 |
| MotherLUG | mhz, Thankyou | 02:02 |
| mhz | MotherLUG: this article was written by me but on behalf of Tecnocimiento, so you can obiously ommit those parts :) | 02:03 |
| mhz | your welcome | 02:03 |
| MotherLUG | I'll get on to translating it tomorrow. It's midnight here and I'm heading to bed. | 02:04 |
| MotherLUG | Thankyou All for your help :D | 02:04 |
| mhz | MotherLUG: I'll remove that PDF from that url in 5 minutes. I dont want to upset other ubuntu-cl pals with my 'branding' names. | 02:04 |
| mhz | MotherLUG: so it was donwloaded already? | 02:04 |
| MotherLUG | I already have it pulled down and on my desk top | 02:04 |
| mhz | okis, sleeo well | 02:05 |
| mhz | p | 02:05 |
| MotherLUG | thanks, Night | 02:05 |
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| Yagisan | eds0n: spacey: I've done a little ltsp testing - what would like to know ? | 02:07 |
| Yagisan | spacey: btw - non-free flash tends to kill firefox often | 02:07 |
| Yagisan | spacey: otherwise I don't see much cpu usage, but network bandwidth goes up | 02:08 |
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| spacey | my experience with flash is that it uses 100% cpu | 02:14 |
| spacey | with the nonfree on | 02:14 |
| spacey | one | 02:14 |
| Yagisan | spacey: I should have said, I don't see much more cpu usage then usual | 02:16 |
| Yagisan | spacey: but it dies often on crappy ads. I only have it as there are a few sites that need it, otherwise I'd purge it | 02:17 |
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| knario | hola a todos! | 02:37 |
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| knario | hola a todos quien sabe como instalar los drivers de un fx5200 que lo he instalado y el pc kaput! | 02:44 |
| mhz | knario: this is an english channel, #edubuntu-es is para castellano | 02:44 |
| mhz | :) | 02:44 |
| ogra | knario, #ubuntu-es/#edubuntu-es/#kubuntu-es | 02:44 |
| knario | a vale! | 02:45 |
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| D13GU___ | hi all | 03:30 |
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| ogra | jsgotangco, amd64 live is ready for testing/usage ... works fine here | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | wow that was fast | 03:32 |
| ogra | (live) | 03:34 |
| ogra | install isnt tested yet and the lsb breakage wasnt sorted yet... | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | yes i'm grabbing it now | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | i saw the upload though | 03:35 |
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| flint | ogra, sorry business took longer than I thought... got a command line for me? | 03:36 |
| ogra | yup, one sec | 03:36 |
| flint | ogra, excellent... | 03:37 |
| ogra | rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily-live/current/dapper-live-i386.iso dapper-live-i386.iso dapper-live-i386.iso | 03:37 |
| ogra | run that in the dir where your iso is stored | 03:37 |
| ogra | (change i386 to other arches if you want to test them) | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | we have a livecd? | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | (i didnt know that) | 03:38 |
| ogra | sure :) | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | i thought it wasn't possible | 03:38 |
| ogra | oh, indeed, that was the live iso | 03:38 |
| ogra | flint, ^^^ | 03:38 |
| ogra | change live to install there | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | ltsp on live? | 03:38 |
| ogra | nope | 03:38 |
| ogra | only workstation | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh right | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that's why i was so surprised | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:38 |
| ogra | ltsp on live gives such a poor performance that it would give a bad impression | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | i would imagine | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | not everyone has at least 2GB or ram | 03:39 |
| flint | ogra, just copied the line, pasted it in, and it took off like a scalded cat! | 03:39 |
| ogra | flint, noooo | 03:39 |
| ogra | see above | 03:39 |
| ogra | thats the live iso ... | 03:39 |
| ogra | change all occurences of "live" in that line to "install" | 03:40 |
| ogra | sorry for that, i just pulled the live iso ... | 03:40 |
| flint | gotcha... do me a favor, resend the line. I will shut down the first one... | 03:41 |
| flint | ogra, it is a solid truth "any job worth doing is worth doing twice" :^) | 03:41 |
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| ogra | rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily-live/current/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso | 03:42 |
| ogra | thats the right one now | 03:42 |
| ogra | err | 03:42 |
| ogra | STOP | 03:42 |
| ogra | rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso | 03:42 |
| ogra | but now | 03:42 |
| ogra | *sigh* | 03:42 |
| ogra | path was wrong | 03:42 |
| flint | ogra this look familiar? | 03:43 |
| flint | flint@edubuntu:~/Desktop$ rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily-install/current/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso | 03:43 |
| flint | receiving file list ... | 03:43 |
| flint | rsync: link_stat "edubuntu/daily-install/current/dapper-install-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) | 03:43 |
| flint | 0 files to consider | 03:43 |
| flint | sent 4 bytes received 17 bytes 14.00 bytes/sec | 03:43 |
| flint | total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 | 03:43 |
| flint | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1173) | 03:43 |
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| flint | flint@edubuntu:~/Desktop$ | 03:43 |
| flint | I will copy and paste from the master.... | 03:44 |
| flint | ogra, ollie, look on the bright side. We only need to get this working once and it should work for a while! | 03:44 |
| flint | ogra, it is thinking: | 03:45 |
| flint | receiving file list ... | 03:45 |
| flint | 1 file to consider | 03:45 |
| flint | ogra, this appears to be a good sign... eh? | 03:46 |
| ogra | yup, my last line should be ok | 03:46 |
| flint | ogra, I presume matt has some gui slop that does this as well. BTW it just started transfering, must hit the difference! | 03:47 |
| ogra | matt has a cronjob that runs at ~2am UTC | 03:47 |
| ogra | pulling all live and install CDs | 03:47 |
| flint | ogra, while I got you in a mellow mood, what is easybuntu? | 03:47 |
| ogra | the same rubbish as automatix | 03:48 |
| ogra | just another name | 03:48 |
| flint | ogra, ollie, if there is a bottom to feed on I will find it first! :^) | 03:48 |
| Yagisan | I hate that stuff - I stopped answering support emails as soon as I see automatix listed | 03:49 |
| ogra | yup | 03:49 |
| flint | note how I did not mention the "a" word out of respect... | 03:49 |
| flint | Actually jsgotangco mentioned ezbuntu last night... | 03:50 |
| flint | I believe I shall put together a series of bash scripts called "hardbuntu"... | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | I have a 3rd party repo - I run a non-i386 arch. I'm not debugging someone else's crap that I can't even install - and yes vmwaring it IS too much effort. </rant> | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | flint: It's called debian ;) | 03:51 |
| flint | Yagisan, Excellent, nothing like a good RANT!!! and lol to you... | 03:51 |
| ogra | Yagisan, actually we have a hardened-ubuntu team ... | 03:52 |
| flint | Yagisan, sarge? | 03:52 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I know. I was at the UDU discussions. It didn't get anyware :( | 03:52 |
| flint | ogra, ollie be-have security weenies get no respect, and they deserve none. | 03:52 |
| Yagisan | flint: pfft | 03:53 |
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| jsgotangco | ezbuntu? | 03:53 |
| Yagisan | ogra: to get decent user transparent security we need to either change the toolchain and/or patch the kernel with parts that will not mainline | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | I did not say antyhing about it | 03:54 |
| eds0n | :) | 03:54 |
| ogra | Yagisan, i'm neither selinux nor hardened fan :) | 03:54 |
| Yagisan | ogra: us security people are willing, but others aren't - so so hardened ubuntu. I make my own in my spare time | 03:54 |
| flint | selinux is a way to take a good operating system and run it on an 8 MHz 386. | 03:55 |
| Yagisan | ogra: that funny thing is, we can harden it *without* breaking functionallity | 03:55 |
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| ogra | Yagisan, i know ajmich has prepared a lot of stuff, he just doesnt get to finish it | 03:55 |
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| flint | Yagisan, two words, logging and DAC. | 03:56 |
| Yagisan | ogra: yep. I look forward to testing it | 03:56 |
| flint | Yagisan, one of the best parts of Ubuntu is to see security models evolve. | 03:56 |
| Yagisan | flint: yes, but it does not need to be so heavyweight for Ubuntu's targeted base | 03:56 |
| Yagisan | IMHO a great start would be to build everything with a ssp hardened toolchain. makes it harder for buffer overflow attacks | 03:58 |
| Yagisan | but binaries work fine | 03:58 |
| flint | Yagisan, Python is a very good bedrock. Here is what I mean by different approaches... | 03:59 |
| flint | http://www.flint.com/papers/misste/MISSTE_FINAL.htm | 03:59 |
| flint | Yagisan, security is about vulnerability, threat and trust. It is mostly about people. It is a social science with a technical component. It is not a technical subject. | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | we love needless complexity | 04:01 |
| flint | anyway, i gotta go burn a cd... ollie it looks like soup. what is the checkcd command at boot time? | 04:01 |
| jsgotangco | it has its own cd integrity test menu entry | 04:02 |
| ogra | flint, it has a menu ;) | 04:02 |
| flint | jsgotangco, there is nothing wrong with complexity, when done right it is most artful. | 04:02 |
| flint | ogra, that is no fun! :^) | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | you might want to try the a11y functionailiy (F4) | 04:02 |
| ogra | but looks shiny :) | 04:02 |
| flint | jsgotangco, a case in point... a menu, how complex! | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | bah | 04:03 |
| flint | ogra, indeed it does - Thanks! | 04:03 |
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| msoeken | hi, what is the name of the iconset used in edubuntu? | 04:04 |
| Yagisan | flint: I'll read your link in a bit. I am rather aware of how e-security works, we are talking about my day job after all | 04:04 |
| ogra | msoeken, gartoon | 04:04 |
| msoeken | ogra, thanks | 04:04 |
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| Yagisan | flint: most of my billable hours is basically training users rather then testing security tech and deploying it | 04:05 |
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| flint | Yagisan, my deepest symphathy. I am trying to avoid security work. The novelty in the misste approach is that I had two US government broadcast agencies game off each other to improve their security. | 04:05 |
| flint | Yagisan, ...and it worked! | 04:06 |
| flint | I am off to break Olivers hard work...sksk | 04:06 |
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| === Yagisan wonders - but I *like* my job now | ||
| Yagisan | night all | 04:13 |
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| bobulator | hey, has anyone got any idea why i can ping servers, but internet browsing won't work? it's really odd. it works fine on this ibook... | 04:22 |
| ogra | in edubuntu ? | 04:22 |
| bobulator | yarr | 04:22 |
| bobulator | server specifically | 04:22 |
| bobulator | although my ubuntu laptop isnt working either | 04:22 |
| ogra | breezy or dapper ?` | 04:23 |
| bobulator | breezy | 04:23 |
| ogra | have a look at /etc/resolv.conf | 04:23 |
| bobulator | nameserver 192.168.0.1 | 04:24 |
| bobulator | thats the AP | 04:24 |
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| ogra | is a nameserver running on it ? | 04:25 |
| bobulator | if i can fix this router itll make life much easier too | 04:25 |
| bobulator | hmm, its an adsl router thing | 04:25 |
| bobulator | just 1 eth out | 04:25 |
| bobulator | not sure | 04:25 |
| ogra | try setting a real nameserver manually to test its the issue | 04:26 |
| ogra | nameserver 217.115.139.139 | 04:26 |
| bobulator | ok... | 04:26 |
| ogra | try that ^^ | 04:26 |
| bobulator | ok, ill just ahve to unplug this, back in a sec, ta :) | 04:28 |
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| zerzan | that worked, woo, thanks :) | 04:35 |
| zerzan | i was bobulator btw | 04:35 |
| ogra | i guessed that :) | 04:35 |
| zerzan | right then, next task... hoe can i make the dispplay go above 640x480? :) | 04:35 |
| ogra | on the server or on a thin client ? | 04:36 |
| zerzan | sorry for my typing this keyboard is rubbish | 04:36 |
| zerzan | server | 04:36 |
| ogra | it didnt detect the monitor right it seems ... | 04:37 |
| zerzan | yeah | 04:37 |
| zerzan | hmm | 04:37 |
| zerzan | not a garphics card thing? | 04:37 |
| ogra | you can run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 04:37 |
| zerzan | *graphics | 04:37 |
| ogra | the values there are the autodetected values, change only the resolution, for the rest hit enter | 04:37 |
| zerzan | k | 04:38 |
| ogra | if that doesnt work, you can try to re run it and select advanced for the monitor and give it the correct hsync and vrefersh values from your monitor | 04:38 |
| zerzan | k | 04:39 |
| zerzan | so the bottom 3 are selected, 1024 to 640 | 04:39 |
| ogra | ok | 04:39 |
| zerzan | how do i get the hsync and vrefresh values? | 04:40 |
| ogra | from your monitor handbook ? | 04:40 |
| zerzan | haha, good one ;) | 04:40 |
| zerzan | ill see what happens on defaults | 04:40 |
| ogra | err | 04:40 |
| ogra | your graphics card has more than 1M ? | 04:41 |
| ogra | (note that <=1MB cards cant do more than 640x480) | 04:41 |
| zerzan | dont think so, all the kit we have is hand me downs. my good graphics card broke wjem we did the first install, well annoying | 04:41 |
| zerzan | it mgiht be though | 04:41 |
| zerzan | it looks quite new | 04:42 |
| zerzan | is it worth trying another monitor? | 04:42 |
| zerzan | and do i eed to reset/ | 04:42 |
| ogra | yup | 04:42 |
| ogra | if that one doesnt work | 04:42 |
| ogra | check if it reports the right values | 04:42 |
| ogra | sudo ddcprobe | 04:42 |
| zerzan | yeah it supports it | 04:43 |
| ogra | ^^ that reads the monitors BIOS | 04:43 |
| zerzan | ill just try a reset then? | 04:43 |
| ogra | in fact thats what the X autodetection uses | 04:43 |
| zerzan | k | 04:43 |
| zerzan | right, reset. brb | 04:43 |
| ogra | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is what resets the config ... | 04:43 |
| ogra | oh, you mean the machine | 04:44 |
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| zerzan | hmm still doesnt work :( 640x480@60hz | 04:47 |
| zerzan | what was the command to test the monitor again? just gonna write it down | 04:48 |
| ogra | what kind of graphics card is this ? | 04:48 |
| zerzan | ummm | 04:48 |
| ogra | ddcprobe+ | 04:48 |
| ogra | err omit the + | 04:48 |
| zerzan | hmm not sure, is there a command to detect the vid card? | 04:49 |
| ogra | lspci | 04:49 |
| ogra | should show you the card | 04:49 |
| zerzan | cirrus logic gd 5446 | 04:50 |
| ogra | oh, good old cirrus ... | 04:50 |
| zerzan | haha, are they a bit rubbish? | 04:51 |
| ogra | grep Driver| /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 04:51 |
| ogra | nope, but they are around since ages ... | 04:51 |
| ogra | might be that it has only 1MB | 04:52 |
| ogra | if its an older model | 04:52 |
| zerzan | it does only have 1 meg i think | 04:52 |
| ogra | ah, that explains irt | 04:52 |
| ogra | edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and turn down the DefaultDepth value ... | 04:52 |
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| ogra | 16 or below should give you more than 640 | 04:53 |
| zerzan | hmm its o 16 now | 04:53 |
| ogra | turn it to 8 | 04:54 |
| ogra | (even that looks weird) | 04:54 |
| zerzan | k | 04:55 |
| zerzan | do i need a reset? | 04:55 |
| ogra | just hit ctrl-alt-backspace in graphics mode | 04:56 |
| ogra | that restarts the gui | 04:56 |
| zerzan | ooh good one,getting lots of top tips :) | 04:56 |
| zerzan | hmm its taking its time... | 04:58 |
| zerzan | hmm theres a '3D rage II+DVD' knocking about here, reckon thatll be a better bet? | 04:59 |
| ogra | yes, i guess so | 05:00 |
| zerzan | ok, ill give it a go, thanks laods for your help btw. will i need to rerun that config program again/ | 05:00 |
| ogra | yup | 05:00 |
| zerzan | what was it called? | 05:00 |
| ogra | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 05:01 |
| zerzan | aweosme, thanks. back in 5... | 05:01 |
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| zerzan | woo! that worked, thanks :) | 05:10 |
| zerzan | so i take it that config file sets the max allowable refresh rates too? | 05:10 |
| ogra | :) | 05:10 |
| ogra | yup | 05:10 |
| zerzan | cool | 05:10 |
| zerzan | rightt, now all i need to make work is the network ;) | 05:11 |
| zerzan | you should see the motley collection of bits in this room, if we can make them all work it'll be a miracle | 05:11 |
| ogra | heh | 05:11 |
| zerzan | first thing is, i take it i disable the dhcp server on everyhting except the server? | 05:12 |
| ogra | yup | 05:12 |
| zerzan | cool | 05:12 |
| ogra | makes sense | 05:12 |
| ogra | else they'll clash | 05:12 |
| zerzan | and then i plug the server, the adsl router jobby and all the thins straight into a switch | 05:13 |
| ogra | yup | 05:13 |
| ogra | see the wikipage from the topic, there are some hints | 05:13 |
| zerzan | if i disable the dhcp server on a regular router, will it act as a switch for all intents and purpouses? | 05:13 |
| ogra | it should, yes | 05:13 |
| zerzan | cool, i found teh edubuntu wiki stuff quite thin on the gorund | 05:14 |
| zerzan | reet, well i either need to fix one router or find the power suplpy for the other... this could take a while! | 05:14 |
| ogra | yes, sorry, havnet come around to update yet ... | 05:14 |
| zerzan | its ok, ill write up the problems ive had if you like when it's all finsihed? | 05:14 |
| ogra | sure :) | 05:15 |
| zerzan | :) | 05:15 |
| zerzan | and really, if we can make this stuff work... anyone can make anything work. | 05:15 |
| ogra | edubuntu is supposed to be able to make anything work ;) | 05:15 |
| zerzan | apart from crap graphics cards :p | 05:15 |
| zerzan | most of these network cards dont have net boot either so im gonan need to work out how to boot them from floppy | 05:16 |
| ogra | it worked ... it just wasnt pleasnt :) | 05:16 |
| zerzan | haha i guess :p | 05:16 |
| zerzan | if everyone used irc, lynx and pine we'd be fine | 05:16 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe | 05:16 |
| zerzan | cool, i saw that.. when it works, il be impressed :) | 05:17 |
| ogra | works for most people . | 05:17 |
| zerzan | if you put in a net bootable card should it detect it automaticaly? | 05:17 |
| ogra | as long as its PXE it will work out of the box, yes | 05:17 |
| zerzan | its been a bit sketchy but then everythings abit broke and its hard to work out which bit it is... | 05:17 |
| zerzan | didnt know if i might need to update the bios on some older ocmputers | 05:17 |
| jsgotangco | night | 05:31 |
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| zerzan | ok... | 05:52 |
| zerzan | i dont think you can disable dhcp on this router | 05:52 |
| zerzan | if i disable dhcp on the server, will everything work ok? | 05:52 |
| zerzan | i gues smy quesiton is: does it matter which box is doing dhcp? | 05:52 |
| zerzan | oh well i just found it after all, but i guess the question still stands | 05:53 |
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| ogra | if you can tell your router how to provide the bootimage and make it point to the right root path for the nfs mount, the you could use the router ... | 06:04 |
| zerzan_ | ahhh ok | 06:07 |
| zerzan_ | hmm | 06:07 |
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| zerzan_ | best to leave it off i guess | 06:07 |
| ogra | yup | 06:08 |
| zerzan_ | shall i plug the internet feed into the wan port or just a regular eth port? i sense im not really using it for it's designed purpous any more, bhut not sure how far to push it... | 06:08 |
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| zerzan | whoops got disconnected | 06:17 |
| zerzan | so... if im using a router as a switch (by turning dhcp off) can i still use the wan port for internet access or will i just need to plug it into a regular port? | 06:18 |
| zerzan | if that makes sense | 06:18 |
| ogra | it should work with the wan port ... | 06:19 |
| ogra | you just need to know whic ip it has if you want to use it as gateway | 06:19 |
| zerzan | cool | 06:19 |
| zerzan | how do i set it, in the control panel? | 06:19 |
| zerzan | oh sod it, here we go | 06:21 |
| zerzan | into the depths... | 06:21 |
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| zerzan | ok, next question :p | 06:35 |
| zerzan | i have a client that it set to net boot, but it doesnt seem to be working... any ideas? | 06:36 |
| zerzan | its set to PXE | 06:36 |
| ogra | you edited the dhcpd.conf file like the install notes describe ? | 06:36 |
| zerzan | umm | 06:37 |
| zerzan | we'll im using a 192.168.0.x setup. so i thgouht i didnt need to? | 06:37 |
| ogra | is dhcpd running ? | 06:39 |
| zerzan | yup | 06:39 |
| ogra | hmm, then it shoudl work ... | 06:40 |
| ogra | whats the error ? | 06:40 |
| zerzan | it doesnt show anyhting up | 06:40 |
| zerzan | it searches for a boot record form the floppy | 06:40 |
| ogra | then it doesnt netboot | 06:41 |
| zerzan | hm ok | 06:41 |
| zerzan | theres a menu i can go into where i can set it to net boot though | 06:41 |
| zerzan | and if i put a diff card it in doesnt bring up the option for the menu | 06:42 |
| zerzan | 'boot protocol' has the choices PXE or RPL | 06:42 |
| zerzan | other options... PnP/BEV boot | 06:43 |
| zerzan | default boot (set to network) | 06:43 |
| zerzan | local boot (disabled) | 06:43 |
| zerzan | prompt time (2) | 06:43 |
| zerzan | setup message (enable) | 06:43 |
| zerzan | power mngmt (acpi) | 06:43 |
| zerzan | pnp/bev boot set to enable btw | 06:44 |
| ogra | try to disable that ... | 06:44 |
| ogra | if it tries to access the floppy it seems itzs not even trying ... | 06:44 |
| zerzan | yea | 06:45 |
| zerzan | yeha it just goes straihgt from the option to load the menu to trying to boot from floppy | 06:45 |
| Burgwork | ogra, which timer? | 06:47 |
| ogra | heh | 06:48 |
| ogra | the one in gfxboot of the livecd | 06:48 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, it does work on my side, thanks | 06:50 |
| zerzan | ooh it says 'boot faliure', how ncie and unspecific | 06:50 |
| zerzan | you reckon its probably the network card? | 06:50 |
| ogra | might be | 06:51 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, the liveCD ? | 06:51 |
| zerzan | right, my freinds giving me a reiki tretment, so i think thats enough for now. thanks a lot ogra, i've learnt a lot! probably back to bother you all later... | 06:52 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, yup | 06:56 |
| ogra | yay :) | 06:57 |
| ogra | zerzan, feel free to :) | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | its nice to see amd64 live performance almost comparable to a 386 install | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | amd64 just flies | 06:58 |
| ogra | yeah | 06:58 |
| jsgotangco | hrmm after all this time, elkner and kjcole decided to call for help | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | they should have done it ealier ;) | 07:04 |
| ogra | heh | 07:10 |
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