[12:04] <jsgotangco> ogra, did we have an am64 overflow? the iso is almost 700mb
[12:39] <flint> ogra, happens while trying to build the LTSP chroot...
[12:40] <flint> ogra, here at the lab station, I have the old breezy edubuntu unit one swtich postion away from the new dapper machine so I can switch between the two and see the error.
[12:44] <flint> DEBUG: configure ltsp-client-builder status 4
[12:45] <flint> main menu[2036] : WARNING ***12
[12:45] <flint> disregard line above ^
[12:47] <flint> main menu[2036] : WARNING ***: Configuring 'ltsp-client-builder' failed with error code 100
[12:49] <flint> main menu[2036] : WARNING ***: Menu Item 'ltsp-client-builder' failed
[01:07] <flint> mhz enjoy dinner...
[01:10] <bart11> hello ppl
[01:11] <bart11> hey ogra: u awake??
[01:13] <mhz_dinner> flint: sorry I am too dumb but where / how can I get to see CookBook ?
[01:13] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:13] <flint> mhz_dinner, oh yea, I like that woman!
[01:14] <bart11> jsgotangco: hi
[01:14] <flint> jsgotangco, keep in mind, I am not directly involved with this process.  my fetish is setting up a lab to do testing.  
[01:14] <jsgotangco> tech pr0n
[01:15] <flint> the question that I would ask mhz is did he realy put new material in the docbox bzr?
[01:15] <flint> the docbox bzr is where all this stuff should be and were it should be available.
[01:15] <flint> ogra, you out there buddy?  
[01:16] <flint> ogra, I have been swtiching back and forth between these two machines getting a hand copy of be bottom of <alt> 1,3 & 4 on the sick puppy.
[01:17] <flint> ogra, give me a sign... I know it is late in CE.
[01:18] <bart11> guys, does linux now support writing to ntfs?
[01:19] <flint> bart11, yea, you use the ntfs drivers in an emulation mode, or there is a native driver, take your pick (and your chances!) why do you want to do such a non fun thing?
[01:21] <bart11> well... i have no choice hehhehe
[01:22] <flint> note that you can mount the damn thing read only using the mount command.
[01:22] <flint> bart11, if you have some partition space, then you can copy the stuff to a decent partition type.
[01:23] <bart11> a fat32 would be better taht using a ntfs right? 
[01:23] <flint> bart11, if you need to continue to read this stuff in the window$ domain, put this data in a fat32 partiton
[01:23] <bart11> ok thanx...
[01:23] <flint> bart11, and next time ONLY use fat32 and your life will be happy all the time!
[01:24] <bart11> i'm just learning linux now... hehhee
[01:25] <flint> bart11, fat32 is native to both os's I (and pardon the hypocracy) keep a lot of personal data in giant fat32 partitions that belong to hard drives mounted under my userid.  
[01:25] <bart11> thanx
[01:25] <flint> bart11, these are great places to store bulk files (eg multimedia), whatever
[01:26] <flint> bart11, fat32 is your friend, ntfs is not.
[01:26] <bart11> thanx for the info.
[01:27] <bart11> hey flint, do you know a god dvd authoring software i can use on linux?
[01:30] <jsgotangco> as in making dvd movies?
[01:35] <bart11> yup
[01:36] <bart11> that i can use on edubuntu, that's the only reason im stuck usung a winderz box
[01:36] <Burgwork> bart11, this just got packaged --> ' http://pitivi.sourceforge.net/
[01:37] <bart11> wait i'll go to that
[01:44] <bart11> thanx burgwork
[01:44] <bart11> i'll try it out
[01:45] <Burgwork> bart11, np
[01:45] <bart11> have u tried it out?
[01:47] <Burgwork> nope
[01:54] <bart11> ok.
[02:05] <flint> bart11, you did not hear this from me but go install automatix...
[02:05] <Burgwork> flint, please don't recommend that
[02:05] <Burgwork> bart11, if you must use something, use easyubuntu
[02:05] <flint> ok gocha
[02:28] <MotherLUG> I was wondering if someone could advise me about who the correct person is that I need to contact about a problem in one of the webpages please
[02:30] <Burgwork> MotherLUG, which page?
[02:30] <MotherLUG> http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html
[02:31] <MotherLUG> the icon for screenshots is there but the word screenshots disappears on this page only
[02:31] <Burgwork> MotherLUG, email henrik at henrik@canonical.com
[02:31] <MotherLUG> Burgwork, Thankyou :D
[02:32] <Burgwork> MotherLUG, np
[02:38] <bart11> what is easybuntu?
[02:38] <Burgwork> bart11, another script for installing stuff
[02:39] <bart11> ah ok
[02:40] <jsgotangco> 200mb for 5 kde apps is so wrong...
[02:40] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, is that what we need for the kdedu stuff?
[02:40] <jsgotangco> yep
[02:41] <jsgotangco> ppc and amd64 overflows
[02:41] <Burgwork> kdedu is more than 5 apps
[02:42] <jsgotangco> that's still a lot of space for a few kde apps
[02:42] <Burgwork> yes
[02:42] <Burgwork> but there are no other options
[02:42] <jsgotangco> yep not at this time
[02:42] <Burgwork> we ran into the same issue at work
[02:43] <Burgwork> http://userful.com/products/discoverstation-kids
[02:47] <jsgotangco> what about it?
[02:48] <Burgwork> wondered what you thought and if there is anything we can borrow for edubuntu
[02:48] <jsgotangco> ahh
[02:48] <jsgotangco> i don't think we'll be using gartoon as default
[02:49] <jsgotangco> Denemo looks useful if not niche
[02:50] <Burgwork> is edubuntu switching away from gartoon?
[02:50] <flint> ok gocha
[02:51] <flint> Burgwork, does easybuntu install all the multimedia stuff?
[02:52] <Burgwork> flint, I think so. I hate things like easyubuntu
[02:52] <Burgwork> if you need to install something by deafult, use fai or kickstart
[02:52] <flint> Burgwork, you all are in the userful space, which is all usb 2.0.
[02:52] <jsgotangco> Burgwork, i believe the plan is having the capability to switch to three themes according to the audience level
[02:52] <jsgotangco> he works at userful
[02:53] <flint> Burgwork, that is very cool.  I have seen a userful install in Takoma Park Maryland, USA.
[02:53] <Burgwork> small world
[02:54] <flint> Burgwork, my question is could you use an ltsp type architecture over usb 2.0 
[02:54] <Burgwork> ltsp is network based
[02:54] <Burgwork> userful actually has a customer that uses our stuff over ltsp
[02:54] <flint> Burgwork, by this I mean instead of using a multi headed monitor card and usb keyboards and mice
[02:55] <Burgwork> no idea, I do sales
[02:55] <flint> Burgwork, you use the speedy usb2.0 as the network media to interconnect ltsp workstations 
[02:55] <flint> Burgwork, which tftp boot off their usb devices...
[02:55] <flint> Burgwork, where 
[02:56] <Burgwork> hmm, lost me there. I am not a highly technical person
[02:56] <flint> Burgwork, where is your sales territory?
[02:57] <Burgwork> arizona, colorado, kansas, oklahoma, louisiana, missouri, alaska, manitoba, nova scotia, newfoundland and bits of ontario and michigan
[02:58] <LinuxJones> Burgwork, what do you sell ?
[02:58] <flint> Burgwork, are you selling mostly to municipalities or to private educational institutions?
[02:58] <Burgwork> LinuxJones, http://userful.com/products/library-ds
[02:58] <Burgwork> flint, libraries
[02:58] <flint> LinuxJones, he sells Userful
[02:59] <flint> Burgwork, yea that is a good niche for Userful.
[02:59] <LinuxJones> flint, I have been away for 5 months without internet access :D
[02:59] <flint> LinuxJones, ah prison again,  got to stay off the pipe ma man... :^)
[03:00] <flint> LinuxJones, seriously, how did you survive without the bit spike in your vein?
[03:00] <LinuxJones> flint, almost I was working in Alberta :)
[03:01] <flint> LinuxJones, aw come on, they have running water, electricity, fire and internet in Alberta!
[03:01] <flint> LinuxJones, indooor plumbing is a touchy subject in that part of Canada...
[03:01] <LinuxJones> flint, yeah but I didn't have my computer, I was busy working 7 days a week
[03:02] <flint> LinuxJones, what is your trade? Not computer related?
[03:02] <LinuxJones> flint, I am a construction worker
[03:03] <flint> LinuxJones, gotcha.  hope it was indoor finishing you were up to and not sloping concrete on forms in the snow.
[03:03] <flint> ogra, where the hell are you ma man!!!
[03:03] <LinuxJones> flint, even worse I was working as an Insulator, yes it was all outside work
[03:04] <flint> LinuxJones, spray insulation or batting?
[03:04] <flint> LinuxJones, spray would not be too damn bad, but foam or batting needs to be stapled or nailed in.
[03:04] <LinuxJones> flint, Insulating pipes at an Oil refinery, they use molded insulation
[03:05] <flint> LinuxJones, interesting those foam sleve things in various colors and sizes...
[03:05] <flint> gota go sksk
[03:05] <LinuxJones> flint, I'm going out Scaffolding when I go back out
[03:05] <LinuxJones> bye
[03:15] <jelkner> can anyone here tell me the easiest way to setup zope3 instances in a user's home directory for learning/development purposes?
[03:46] <mhz> flint: ping
[03:46] <mhz> flint: sorry I am too dumb but where / how can I get to see CookBook ?
[04:06] <flint> mhz, has ollie been around?
[04:06] <mhz> yes and nope
[04:06] <mhz> he's been in suffer
[04:06] <bart11> hi mhz!
[04:06] <mhz> his back is in pain
[04:06] <mhz> bart11: hi
[04:08] <bart11> how was dinner??
[04:08] <flint> mhz ouch!!!
[04:08] <mhz> flint: will you ever feel like responding my question ? ;)
[04:08] <flint> to recap:
[04:08] <flint> keep in mind, I am not directly involved with this process.  my fetish is setting up a lab to do testing.  
[04:08] <flint> the question that I would ask mhz is did he realy put new material in the docbox bzr?
[04:08] <flint> the docbox bzr is where all this stuff should be and were it should be 
[04:08] <flint> ogra, you out there buddy?  
[04:09] <mhz> flint: no have not because I have never seen any cookbook yet 
[04:09] <flint> mhz yesterday morning did you say something about putting material out on the docbox?
[04:09] <flint> it is on the docbox
[04:09] <flint> you have an account
[04:10] <mhz> flint: do i? still?
[04:10] <flint> absolutely.
[04:10] <mhz> wow
[04:10] <flint> docbox.flint.com
[04:10] <flint> do you remember the username and password?
[04:10] <mhz> not at all
[04:11] <mhz> flint: however I know zero about docbook
[04:11] <flint> give me your phone number and I will skype you.  do you remember your username?
[04:11] <flint> it is docbox not docbook.  docbox is a bzr repository.
[04:11] <flint> anyone has read priviledges.
[04:12] <mhz> duh!
[04:12] <mhz> hehehe
[04:12] <flint> if your username is mhz you may remember the default password.
[04:13] <flint> that's the spirit.  I am now going to do something else...
[04:13] <flint> sksk
[04:14] <mhz> WOW! elive pre-release is out! http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=1431
[04:14] <mhz> nice work!
[04:31] <mhz> and I can't log in to that server :(
[04:45] <Brunellus> hi there.  can anyone help me get dhcpd up?
[04:46] <mhz> jsgotangco: why would xfonts-artwiz package let me use its fonts for the window interfaces and xchat and gimp, BUT for inkscape?
[04:46] <Brunellus> I keep trying to start/stop/restart dhcp3-server, and it keeps returning "failed"  how do I get it up and running?
[04:46] <mhz> Brunellus: hi
[04:46] <mhz> what edubuntu version are you using?
[04:46] <Brunellus> mhz, I'm not really using edubuntu
[04:47] <Brunellus> but I figured I'd ask here, since there was a beter chance that people here boot off the network
[04:47] <mhz> hmm, yes and nope
[04:47] <mhz> it all depends on what your settings are
[04:48] <mhz> Brunellus: could you see the error in /var/log/dhcpd.log ?
[04:48] <Brunellus> no such log
[04:48] <mhz> and/or could you use pastebin to let us see your confs?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> hmm i dunno maybe inkscape only prefers vector-based fonts
[04:49] <Brunellus> mhz, do I just paste to #pastebin?
[04:49] <mhz> Brunellus: sorry, messages
[04:50] <Brunellus> shall I message you with my configs?
[04:50] <mhz> I mean /var/log/messages
[04:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: good point
[04:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: but nah.
[04:52] <mhz> Brunellus: hmm, I can't remember a pastebin rightnow.. let me see
[04:52] <jsgotangco> true
[04:53] <mhz> Brunellus: http://pastebin.com/
[04:53] <bart11> hey jsgotangco: i found a nice dvd software, but its a debian package can i instal it?
[04:53] <mhz> that will give you a url + #
[04:53] <jsgotangco> what dvd software?
[04:53] <mhz> you paste whatever there and then save it
[04:53] <bart11> dvd styler
[04:54] <bart11> for authoring
[04:54] <jsgotangco> url?
[04:54] <mhz> Brunellus: then you provide the url+# here
[04:54] <bart11> http://dvdstyler.sourceforge.net/downloads.html
[04:55] <jsgotangco> it probably won't work
[04:55] <jsgotangco> you could compile though :)
[04:55] <bart11> y?
[04:55] <Brunellus> http://pastebin.com/547831
[04:55] <Brunellus> that's dhcpd.conf
[04:55] <bart11> how do i conmpile?
[04:55] <jsgotangco> gcc4
[04:56] <bart11> ok, is it easy to compile??
[04:58] <Brunellus> I should explain what I'm trying to do
[04:59] <mhz> shoot
[04:59] <Brunellus> I am trying to follow the directions for a localnet install on this wikipage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[05:00] <Brunellus> I have done everything else...the only thing that's left, apparently, is to have my dhcp server up on this machine
[05:00] <Brunellus> this machine (funes) will serve a boot image to a new machine
[05:01] <mhz> Brunellus: yup, I understand your idea
[05:01] <mhz> it seems to me you need to add more lines to it
[05:01] <Brunellus> what shall I add?
[05:01] <mhz> option routers 192.168....
[05:02] <mhz> else, I dont think your machines will get ip, right jsgotangco ?
[05:03] <mhz> maybe, even  option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255
[05:03] <Brunellus> so option routers 192.168.1.1
[05:03] <Brunellus> option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255
[05:03] <Brunellus> ?
[05:04] <mhz> yup
[05:04] <mhz> and I am not sure if syntax must be strict
[05:05] <mhz> but I'd place the closing '{' with no indentation (that is on the left margin)
[05:05] <Brunellus> fail and fail
[05:06] <Brunellus> OK, for those two option lines
[05:06] <Brunellus> what is the syntax?
[05:06] <mhz> Brunellus: could you read /var/log/message
[05:07] <Brunellus> dhcpd: wrote 245 leases to leases file
[05:07] <Brunellus> then a blank entry
[05:07] <mhz> and.. where's the error entry?
[05:07] <Brunellus> error entry?
[05:08] <mhz> Brunellus: you said that dhcp server fails.
[05:08] <mhz> how you  know that?
[05:08] <Brunellus> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[05:08] <Brunellus> *stopping DHCP server..... [fail] 
[05:08] <Brunellus> *starting DHCP server.... [fail] 
[05:11] <Brunellus> so what gives?
[05:14] <mhz> Brunellus: then I am sorry. If message doesn't provide a message indicating what is actually failing.. no idea.
[05:14] <Brunellus> ugh.
[05:15] <mhz> or Brunellus you could install Edubuntu, use its dhcp settings and just change 2 lines so it also lets you netboot
[05:16] <bart11> hey guyz, is it easy to compile??
[05:21] <mhz> it was for me loong ago when I used gentoo for a couple of months
[05:24] <bart11> hey mhz how r u?
[05:27] <mhz> bart11: alive and kicking and changing a couple of ideas I had and were just about 30 minutes in inkscape. They have taken over 2 hours now.
[05:27] <bart11> oh cool...
[05:27] <bart11> can i install a deb package on edubuntu or i have to recompile it?
[05:31] <mhz> bart11: you mean a package.deb ?
[05:31] <mhz> what package?
[05:32] <bart11> i'll send u the homepage.. jsut a min
[05:32] <bart11> http://dvdstyler.sourceforge.net/
[05:40] <mhz> bart11: well, if you can install it, yes you can. If it will brake something, no idea.
[05:41] <mhz> dpkg -i package.deb
[05:41] <bart11> how about if i just recompile it?
[05:46] <Brunellus> OK mhz, I'm installing edubuntu-server and seeing if that doesn't fix this
[05:47] <mhz> Brunellus: be optimistic..
[05:47] <mhz> "see if this fixes it"
[05:47] <mhz> bart11: then you'd be making sure it will be optimised for your os
[05:47] <Brunellus> mhz: IME, optimism is misplaced when learning new ways to install stuff
[05:48] <mhz> hehee, trondm_gone Brunellus 
[05:48] <mhz> hehee, true Brunellus 
[05:48] <Brunellus> from what I can see it's hauling in a lot of stuff I wanted anyway
[05:49] <Brunellus> but it doesn't seem to be preconfiguring anything that I haven't touched already
[05:52] <Brunellus> HOLY HEADS OF CATTLE
[05:52] <Brunellus> DHCP server is UP!
[05:56] <mhz> Brunellus: good luck!
[05:56] <Brunellus> Ok but now it won't boot
[05:56] <Brunellus> h'm
[05:56] <mhz> Brunellus: one thing is dhcp provides IP
[05:56] <Brunellus> so how do I get it to boot now?
[05:57] <mhz> Brunellus: and other thing is your 'clients' can boot from server
[05:57] <Brunellus> OK, the client won't boot.  it's hwoing "media test failure, check cable" 
[05:57] <Brunellus> the cable is known to be good
[05:57] <mhz> Brunellus: breezy or dapper?
[05:57] <Brunellus> mhz breezy
[05:58] <mhz> Brunellus: try 2 more times
[05:58] <Brunellus> ?
[05:58] <mhz> (this has happened before
[05:58] <Brunellus> try what 2 more times?
[05:58] <mhz> to boot clients
[05:58] <Brunellus> second trial...
[05:59] <Brunellus> no, doesn't go.
[05:59] <Brunellus> shall I restart the dchp server?
[05:59] <mhz> Brunellus: hold on...
[06:00] <mhz> you have two machines?
[06:00] <Brunellus> correct!
[06:00] <mhz> 1 server and 1 client
[06:00] <Brunellus> yes.
[06:00] <Brunellus> client is connected directly to server
[06:00] <mhz> cross cable?
[06:00] <Brunellus> no, straight.  ugh.  
[06:01] <mhz> or normal ethernet cable?
[06:01] <Brunellus> normal ethernet cable
[06:01] <mhz> no way that will boot!
[06:01] <Brunellus> haa!
[06:01] <mhz> you need cross cable
[06:01] <Brunellus> I need a switch?
[06:01] <mhz> or a switch ?
[06:01] <mhz> yes
[06:01] <mhz> :D
[06:01] <Brunellus> I have a spare old linksys router/switch/wireless access point lying around
[06:01] <Brunellus> reckon that'll work?
[06:02] <Brunellus> no non o
[06:02] <Brunellus> as in
[06:02] <Brunellus> it is also a 4-port router/switch
[06:03] <mhz> I have tried edubuntu like these 2 configs: ISP cable modem -> Server -> switch -> clients   ||   OR  ... server -> cross cable -> clients
[06:04] <mhz> Brunellus: AFAIK, 'routers' include their own dhcp server
[06:04] <mhz> so, placing a router in between server | router | client wont work either
[06:04] <Brunellus> if I disable the router's dhcp server?
[06:05] <Brunellus> IOW, if I lobotomize it
[06:05] <mhz> then it will act as a switch (i guess) and then it will work
[06:05] <Brunellus> grand
[06:05] <mhz> lol
[06:07] <mhz> bart11:  sudo apt-cache show lg-issue83
[06:08] <mhz> that number has a nice article about DVD authoring
[06:09] <bart11> m using a win box now...
[06:12] <bart11> brb
[09:12] <bart11> m back
[10:43] <jsgotangco> ogra, hmm i wonder if the new amd64 build is good to go now
[10:44] <jsgotangco> Binaries from lsb 3.0-12ubuntu1 cannot be installed:
[10:45] <ogra> looks still a bit broken ... 
[10:45] <ogra> but you can only try :)
[10:45] <jsgotangco> burning it now
[10:45] <ogra> i'll test it myself during the day ...
[11:13] <jsgotangco> wooooo accessibility option!
[11:19] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[11:20] <jsgotangco> ogra, does a cd-rom integrity failure mean anything for the whole distro not working?
[11:20] <ogra> it does mean that your install will very likely fail
[11:20] <jsgotangco> right
[11:20] <ogra> and even more likely you can fix it by burning at lower speed
[11:23] <jsgotangco> ogra, i meant during the time the iso was built by the server...
[11:24] <ogra> where do you see a integrity failure there ? 
[11:24] <jsgotangco> openoffice
[11:24] <ogra> ??
[11:24] <jsgotangco> im burning a new cd to verify again
[11:25] <jsgotangco> "slowly"
[11:25] <jsgotangco> :D
[11:25] <ogra> good
[11:25] <ogra> :)
[11:40] <jsgotangco> hmmm the files are so compressed
[11:52] <jsgotangco> ogra, ltsp chroot fails at 50%
[11:53] <ogra> can you look at the console with which error ? 
[11:53] <ogra> tty3 should have it
[11:53] <jsgotangco> hold on im trying it again
[11:54] <jsgotangco> couldn't find package inputattach
[11:54] <ogra> ah
[11:54] <ogra> ok
[11:54] <jsgotangco> removing 'local diversion of /sbin/start-top-demon etc....
[11:55] <jsgotangco> that's the build i took from current an hour ago
[11:55] <ogra> yup
[11:55] <ogra> inputattach was a dependency for ltsp-client ... debian requested to take it out of the deps ...
[11:56] <ogra> i forgot to add it to a seed to have it on the CD ...
[11:56] <jsgotangco> is there a workaround?
[11:56] <ogra> (deps are automatically added)
[11:56] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:56] <jsgotangco> i'll rsync later
[11:56] <ogra> wait a while ... i'll add it to the seeds and rebuild the CD
[11:56] <ogra> 1h ....
[11:57] <jsgotangco> okie
[11:57] <jsgotangco> amd64 btw
[11:57] <ogra> could do it in 20min, but the seeds take time to sync
[11:58] <ogra> it will be missing on all arched
[11:58] <ogra> arches
[11:58] <jsgotangco> its ok i'll just rsync tommorow morning
[11:58] <jsgotangco> (7pm)
[01:11] <eds0n> has anyone here done any performance test on servers running edubuntu with several clients?
[01:17] <spacey> what kind of performance tests?
[01:21] <MotherLUG> Hi  Is anyone aware of a PPC version of Edubuntu coming and secondly, Is a Live CD for Edubuntu on the cards?
[01:21] <ogra> yes and yes
[01:21] <MotherLUG> wooohooo, please let it be with dapper
[01:21] <ogra> it will ;)
[01:22] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/
[01:22] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[01:22] <MotherLUG> ogra, You have made my day
[01:23] <ogra> feel free to test and report breakage to me :)
[01:23] <eds0n> spacey: performance when the clients load regular progs as firefox, openoffice etc. Bandwith, RAM, CPU
[01:23] <eds0n> spacey: thinking of removing RAM to see how it affects performance tests
[01:24] <MotherLUG> ogra, I certainly will. I need to learn it inside and out before I do the big presentation at my sons school
[01:24] <ogra> :)
[01:24] <mhz> .oO( ogras has usually been people's day maker)
[01:25] <mhz> MotherLUG: how old's your son?
[01:28] <MotherLUG> 8 in April
[01:29] <MotherLUG> I have arranged for his school to get 13 Powermacs donated , and I so want to put edubuntu on them
[01:29] <mhz> MotherLUG: I wrote an little article about edubuntu for primary school
[01:30] <mhz> MotherLUG: it's in spanish, but maybe you can get someone to trasnlate it into spanish
[01:30] <mhz> into english
[01:30] <mhz> duh!
[01:33] <MotherLUG> mhz, I would love to try
[01:33] <ogra> mhz, i didnt know your spanish was *this* bad :P
[01:34] <mhz> ehehehe
[01:34] <ogra> :)
[01:34] <mhz> ogra: back better, uh?
[01:34] <ogra> heh, yes
[01:34] <mhz> ;)
[01:35] <ogra> busy trying to get the CDs in shape 
[01:35] <mhz> I could easily tell
[01:35] <ogra> even if flight4 wont come before the weekend
[01:35] <mhz> oooh
[01:35] <mhz> but was it planned to?
[01:36] <mhz> MotherLUG: i'll upload it in 1 minute
[01:36] <mhz> ogra: can I use your knowledge again?
[01:36] <ogra> flight releases are never *planned* 
[01:37] <MotherLUG> mhz, great thankyou
[01:37] <ogra> they happen if the archive is in shape to do them ...
[01:37] <ogra> we only have rough dates  ...
[01:37] <ogra> mhz, ask away
[01:39] <mhz> I installed xfonts-artwiz package. It seems it has a small bug. It is installed to a non common path for fonts. I can either link uncommon path to common fonts path OR unpack the source to the common path. However, Gimp and other apps do see the fonts listed and I can use them. BUT inkscape (a VERY important tool) only lists the fonts name but they look exactly the same, no diff at all.
[01:39] <ogra> something with /usr/X11R6 in it ?
[01:39] <mhz> ogra: re f4, hence I made that almost retoric question "but was it planned to?"
[01:40] <ogra> we wanted it before the weekend ...
[01:40] <mhz> F4/ oh, I see
[01:40] <mhz> fonts/ rephrase please
[01:41] <ogra> the path they get installed to, does it contain X11R6 ?#
[01:41] <ogra> and is this in dapper ? 
[01:41] <ogra> note that i cant do much about breezy breakages
[01:41] <spacey> eds0n: not tested you, however i'm wondering about performance when someone uses a flash site in firefox
[01:42] <mhz> BTW, I am in page 20 or something in the Debian doc on packaging. So far it seems it is just a matter of using a couple of commands and test the resuting package. Unless it gets difficult in the next pages, I'd say it is not big deal
[01:42] <ogra> it is no big deal :)
[01:43] <ogra> the big deal is to know all the policy docs for specific stuff ... even i sometimes get hit by my colleagues for non policy compliant packages
[01:43] <mhz> ogra: DEB/ so why it sounded SO big a deal? AFAIK, I am not the one with that "cryptic" feeling these .deb things are only for real enlightened people
[01:43] <mhz> oooh, that.
[01:45] <mhz> ogra: re fonts/ yup, breezy.
[01:45] <mhz> so, never mind, I'll wiki the solution
[01:46] <mhz> and once I can play with dapper i'll see if it is solved
[01:46] <ogra_> hmpf
[01:51] <mhz> hmpf?
[01:51] <ogra_> daily disconnect
[01:51] <mhz> ahh
[02:02] <mhz> MotherLUG: http://www.ubuntu-cl.org/Wiki/EdubuntuArticuloPrimaria
[02:02] <MotherLUG> mhz, Thankyou
[02:03] <mhz> MotherLUG: this article was written by me but on behalf of Tecnocimiento, so you can obiously ommit those parts :)
[02:03] <mhz> your welcome
[02:04] <MotherLUG> I'll get on to translating it tomorrow. It's midnight here and I'm heading to bed.
[02:04] <MotherLUG> Thankyou All for your help :D
[02:04] <mhz> MotherLUG: I'll remove that PDF from that url in 5 minutes. I dont want to upset other ubuntu-cl pals with my 'branding' names.
[02:04] <mhz> MotherLUG: so it was donwloaded already?
[02:04] <MotherLUG> I already have it pulled down and on my desk top
[02:05] <mhz> okis, sleeo well
[02:05] <mhz> p
[02:05] <MotherLUG> thanks, Night
[02:07] <Yagisan> eds0n: spacey: I've done a little ltsp testing - what would like to know ?
[02:07] <Yagisan> spacey: btw - non-free flash tends to kill firefox often
[02:08] <Yagisan> spacey: otherwise I don't see much cpu usage, but network bandwidth goes up
[02:14] <spacey> my experience with flash is that it uses 100% cpu
[02:14] <spacey> with the nonfree on
[02:14] <spacey> one
[02:16] <Yagisan> spacey: I should have said, I don't see much more cpu usage then usual
[02:17] <Yagisan> spacey: but it dies often on crappy ads. I only have it as there are a few sites that need it, otherwise I'd purge it
[02:37] <knario> hola a todos!
[02:44] <knario> hola a todos quien sabe como instalar los drivers de un fx5200 que lo he instalado y el pc kaput!
[02:44] <mhz> knario: this is an english channel, #edubuntu-es is para castellano
[02:44] <mhz> :)
[02:44] <ogra> knario, #ubuntu-es/#edubuntu-es/#kubuntu-es
[02:45] <knario> a vale!
[03:30] <D13GU___> hi all
[03:31] <ogra> jsgotangco, amd64 live is ready for testing/usage ... works fine here
[03:32] <jsgotangco> wow that was fast
[03:34] <ogra> (live)
[03:34] <ogra> install isnt tested yet and the lsb breakage wasnt sorted yet...
[03:34] <jsgotangco> yes i'm grabbing it now
[03:35] <jsgotangco> i saw the upload though
[03:36] <flint> ogra, sorry business took longer than I thought... got a command line for me?
[03:36] <ogra> yup, one sec
[03:37] <flint> ogra, excellent...
[03:37] <ogra>  rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily-live/current/dapper-live-i386.iso dapper-live-i386.iso dapper-live-i386.iso
[03:37] <ogra> run that in the dir where your iso is stored
[03:37] <ogra> (change i386 to other arches if you want to test them)
[03:38] <jsgotangco> we have a livecd?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> (i didnt know that)
[03:38] <ogra> sure :)
[03:38] <jsgotangco> i thought it wasn't possible
[03:38] <ogra> oh, indeed, that was the live iso 
[03:38] <ogra> flint, ^^^
[03:38] <ogra> change live to install there 
[03:38] <jsgotangco> ltsp on live?
[03:38] <ogra> nope
[03:38] <ogra> only workstation 
[03:38] <jsgotangco> ahhh right
[03:38] <jsgotangco> yeah that's why i was so surprised
[03:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:39] <ogra> ltsp on live gives such a poor performance that it would give a bad impression
[03:39] <jsgotangco> i would imagine
[03:39] <jsgotangco> not everyone has at least 2GB  or ram
[03:39] <flint> ogra, just copied the line, pasted it in, and it took off like a scalded cat!
[03:39] <ogra> flint, noooo
[03:39] <ogra> see above 
[03:39] <ogra> thats the live iso ...
[03:40] <ogra> change all occurences of "live" in that line to "install"
[03:40] <ogra> sorry for that, i just pulled the live iso ...
[03:41] <flint> gotcha... do me a favor, resend the line.  I will shut down the first one...
[03:41] <flint> ogra, it is a solid truth "any job worth doing is worth doing twice" :^)
[03:42] <ogra>  rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily-live/current/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso
[03:42] <ogra> thats the right one now
[03:42] <ogra> err
[03:42] <ogra> STOP
[03:42] <ogra>  rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso
[03:42] <ogra> but now
[03:42] <ogra> *sigh*
[03:42] <ogra> path was wrong
[03:43] <flint> ogra this look familiar?
[03:43] <flint> flint@edubuntu:~/Desktop$ rsync -z -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily-install/current/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso
[03:43] <flint> receiving file list ...
[03:43] <flint> rsync: link_stat "edubuntu/daily-install/current/dapper-install-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2)
[03:43] <flint> 0 files to consider
[03:43] <flint> sent 4 bytes  received 17 bytes  14.00 bytes/sec
[03:43] <flint> total size is 0  speedup is 0.00
[03:43] <flint> rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1173)
[03:43] <flint> flint@edubuntu:~/Desktop$
[03:44] <flint> I will copy and paste from the master....
[03:44] <flint> ogra, ollie, look on the bright side.  We only need to get this working once and it should work for a while!
[03:45] <flint> ogra, it is thinking:
[03:45] <flint> receiving file list ...
[03:45] <flint> 1 file to consider
[03:46] <flint> ogra, this appears to be a good sign... eh?
[03:46] <ogra> yup, my last line should be ok
[03:47] <flint> ogra, I presume matt has some gui slop that does this as well.  BTW it just started transfering, must hit the difference!
[03:47] <ogra> matt has a cronjob that runs at ~2am UTC
[03:47] <ogra> pulling all live and install CDs
[03:47] <flint> ogra, while I got you in a mellow mood, what is easybuntu?
[03:48] <ogra> the same rubbish as automatix
[03:48] <ogra> just another name
[03:48] <flint> ogra, ollie, if there is a bottom to feed on I will find it first! :^)
[03:49] <Yagisan> I hate that stuff - I stopped answering support emails as soon as I see automatix listed
[03:49] <ogra> yup
[03:49] <flint> note how I did not mention the "a" word out of respect...
[03:50] <flint> Actually jsgotangco mentioned ezbuntu last night...
[03:50] <flint> I believe I shall put together a series of bash scripts called "hardbuntu"...
[03:50] <Yagisan> I have a 3rd party repo - I run a non-i386 arch. I'm not debugging someone else's crap that I can't even install - and yes vmwaring it IS too much effort. </rant>
[03:51] <Yagisan> flint: It's called debian ;)
[03:51] <flint> Yagisan, Excellent, nothing like a good RANT!!!  and lol to you...
[03:52] <ogra> Yagisan, actually we have a hardened-ubuntu team ...
[03:52] <flint> Yagisan, sarge?  
[03:52] <Yagisan> ogra: I know. I was at the UDU discussions. It didn't get anyware :(
[03:52] <flint> ogra, ollie be-have security weenies get no respect, and they deserve none.
[03:53] <Yagisan> flint: pfft
[03:53] <jsgotangco> ezbuntu?
[03:54] <Yagisan> ogra: to get decent user transparent security we need to either change the toolchain and/or patch the kernel with parts that will not mainline
[03:54] <jsgotangco> I did not say antyhing about it
[03:54] <eds0n> :)
[03:54] <ogra> Yagisan, i'm neither selinux nor hardened fan :)
[03:54] <Yagisan> ogra: us security people are willing, but others aren't - so so hardened ubuntu. I make my own in my spare time
[03:55] <flint> selinux is a way to take a good operating system and run it on an 8 MHz 386.
[03:55] <Yagisan> ogra: that funny thing is, we can harden it *without* breaking functionallity
[03:55] <ogra> Yagisan, i know ajmich has prepared a lot of stuff, he just doesnt get to finish it
[03:56] <flint> Yagisan, two words, logging and DAC.
[03:56] <Yagisan> ogra: yep. I look forward to testing it
[03:56] <flint> Yagisan, one of the best parts of Ubuntu is to see security models evolve.
[03:56] <Yagisan> flint: yes, but it does not need to be so heavyweight for Ubuntu's targeted base
[03:58] <Yagisan> IMHO a great start would be to build everything with a ssp hardened toolchain. makes it harder for buffer overflow attacks
[03:58] <Yagisan> but binaries work fine
[03:59] <flint> Yagisan, Python is a very good bedrock.  Here is what I mean by different approaches...
[03:59] <flint> http://www.flint.com/papers/misste/MISSTE_FINAL.htm
[04:00] <flint> Yagisan, security is about vulnerability, threat and trust.  It is mostly about people.  It is a social science with a technical component.  It is not a technical subject.
[04:01] <jsgotangco> we love needless complexity
[04:01] <flint> anyway, i gotta go burn a cd... ollie it looks like soup.  what is the checkcd command at boot time?
[04:02] <jsgotangco> it has its own cd integrity test menu entry
[04:02] <ogra> flint, it has a menu ;)
[04:02] <flint> jsgotangco, there is nothing wrong with complexity, when done right it is most artful.
[04:02] <flint> ogra, that is no fun! :^)
[04:02] <jsgotangco> you might want to try the a11y functionailiy (F4)
[04:02] <ogra> but looks shiny :)
[04:03] <flint> jsgotangco, a case in point... a menu, how complex!
[04:03] <jsgotangco> bah
[04:03] <flint> ogra, indeed it does - Thanks!
[04:04] <msoeken> hi, what is the name of the iconset used in edubuntu?
[04:04] <Yagisan> flint: I'll read your link in a bit. I am rather aware of how e-security works, we are talking about my day job after all
[04:04] <ogra> msoeken, gartoon
[04:04] <msoeken> ogra, thanks
[04:05] <Yagisan> flint: most of my billable hours is basically training users rather then testing security tech and deploying it
[04:05] <flint> Yagisan, my deepest symphathy.  I am trying to avoid security work.  The novelty in the misste approach is that I had two US government broadcast agencies game off each other to improve their security.
[04:06] <flint> Yagisan, ...and it worked!
[04:06] <flint> I am off to break Olivers hard work...sksk
[04:13] <Yagisan> night all
[04:22] <bobulator> hey, has anyone got any idea why i can ping servers, but internet browsing won't work? it's really odd. it works fine on this ibook...
[04:22] <ogra> in edubuntu ?
[04:22] <bobulator> yarr
[04:22] <bobulator> server specifically
[04:22] <bobulator> although my ubuntu laptop isnt working either
[04:23] <ogra> breezy or dapper ?`
[04:23] <bobulator> breezy
[04:23] <ogra> have a look at /etc/resolv.conf
[04:24] <bobulator> nameserver 192.168.0.1
[04:24] <bobulator> thats the AP
[04:25] <ogra> is a nameserver running on it ? 
[04:25] <bobulator> if i can fix this router itll make life much easier too
[04:25] <bobulator> hmm, its an adsl router thing
[04:25] <bobulator> just 1 eth out
[04:25] <bobulator> not sure
[04:26] <ogra> try setting a real nameserver manually to test its the issue 
[04:26] <ogra> nameserver 217.115.139.139
[04:26] <bobulator> ok...
[04:26] <ogra> try that ^^
[04:28] <bobulator> ok, ill just ahve to unplug this, back in a sec, ta :)
[04:35] <zerzan> that worked, woo, thanks :)
[04:35] <zerzan> i was bobulator btw
[04:35] <ogra> i guessed that :)
[04:35] <zerzan> right then, next task... hoe can i make the dispplay go above 640x480? :)
[04:36] <ogra> on the server or on a thin client ? 
[04:36] <zerzan> sorry for my typing this keyboard is rubbish
[04:36] <zerzan> server
[04:37] <ogra> it didnt detect the monitor right it seems ...
[04:37] <zerzan> yeah 
[04:37] <zerzan> hmm
[04:37] <zerzan> not a garphics card thing?
[04:37] <ogra> you can run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 
[04:37] <zerzan> *graphics
[04:37] <ogra> the values there are the autodetected values, change only the resolution, for the rest hit enter
[04:38] <zerzan> k
[04:38] <ogra> if that doesnt work, you can try to re run it and select advanced for the monitor and give it the correct hsync and vrefersh values from your monitor
[04:39] <zerzan> k
[04:39] <zerzan> so the bottom 3 are selected, 1024 to 640
[04:39] <ogra> ok
[04:40] <zerzan> how do i get the hsync and vrefresh values?
[04:40] <ogra> from your monitor handbook ? 
[04:40] <zerzan> haha, good one ;)
[04:40] <zerzan> ill see what happens on defaults
[04:40] <ogra> err
[04:41] <ogra> your graphics card has more than 1M ?
[04:41] <ogra> (note that <=1MB  cards cant do more than 640x480)
[04:41] <zerzan> dont think so, all the kit we have is hand me downs. my good graphics card broke wjem we did the first install, well annoying
[04:41] <zerzan> it mgiht be though
[04:42] <zerzan> it looks quite new
[04:42] <zerzan> is it worth trying another monitor?
[04:42] <zerzan> and do i eed to reset/
[04:42] <ogra> yup
[04:42] <ogra> if that one doesnt work 
[04:42] <ogra> check if it reports the right values
[04:42] <ogra> sudo ddcprobe
[04:43] <zerzan> yeah it supports it
[04:43] <ogra> ^^ that reads the monitors BIOS
[04:43] <zerzan> ill just try a reset then?
[04:43] <ogra> in fact thats what the X autodetection uses
[04:43] <zerzan> k
[04:43] <zerzan> right, reset. brb
[04:43] <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is what resets the config ...
[04:44] <ogra> oh, you mean the machine 
[04:47] <zerzan> hmm still doesnt work :( 640x480@60hz
[04:48] <zerzan> what was the command to test the monitor again? just gonna write it down
[04:48] <ogra> what kind of graphics card is this ? 
[04:48] <zerzan> ummm
[04:48] <ogra> ddcprobe+
[04:48] <ogra> err omit the +
[04:49] <zerzan> hmm not sure, is there a command to detect the vid card?
[04:49] <ogra> lspci 
[04:49] <ogra> should show you the card
[04:50] <zerzan> cirrus logic gd 5446
[04:50] <ogra> oh, good old cirrus ...
[04:51] <zerzan> haha, are they a bit rubbish?
[04:51] <ogra> grep Driver| /etc/X11/xorg.conf 
[04:51] <ogra> nope, but they are around since ages ...
[04:52] <ogra> might be that it has only 1MB 
[04:52] <ogra> if its an older model
[04:52] <zerzan> it does only have 1 meg i think
[04:52] <ogra> ah, that explains irt 
[04:52] <ogra> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and turn down the DefaultDepth value ...
[04:53] <ogra> 16 or below should give you more than 640
[04:53] <zerzan> hmm its o 16 now
[04:54] <ogra> turn it to 8
[04:54] <ogra> (even that looks weird)
[04:55] <zerzan> k
[04:55] <zerzan> do i need a reset?
[04:56] <ogra> just hit ctrl-alt-backspace in graphics mode 
[04:56] <ogra> that restarts the gui
[04:56] <zerzan> ooh good one,getting lots of top tips :)
[04:58] <zerzan> hmm its taking its time...
[04:59] <zerzan> hmm theres a '3D rage II+DVD' knocking about here, reckon thatll be a better bet?
[05:00] <ogra> yes, i guess so
[05:00] <zerzan> ok, ill give it a go, thanks laods for your help btw. will i need to rerun that config program again/
[05:00] <ogra> yup
[05:00] <zerzan> what was it called?
[05:01] <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:01] <zerzan> aweosme, thanks. back in 5...
[05:10] <zerzan> woo! that worked, thanks :)
[05:10] <zerzan> so i take it that config file sets the max allowable refresh rates too?
[05:10] <ogra> :)
[05:10] <ogra> yup
[05:10] <zerzan> cool
[05:11] <zerzan> rightt, now all i need to make work is the network ;)
[05:11] <zerzan> you should see the motley collection of bits in this room, if we can make them all work it'll be a miracle
[05:11] <ogra> heh
[05:12] <zerzan> first thing is, i take it i disable the dhcp server on everyhting except the server?
[05:12] <ogra> yup
[05:12] <zerzan> cool
[05:12] <ogra> makes sense
[05:12] <ogra> else they'll clash
[05:13] <zerzan> and then i plug the server, the adsl router jobby and all the thins straight into a switch
[05:13] <ogra> yup
[05:13] <ogra> see the wikipage from the topic, there are some hints
[05:13] <zerzan> if i disable the dhcp server on a regular router, will it act as a switch for all intents and purpouses?
[05:13] <ogra> it should, yes
[05:14] <zerzan> cool, i found teh edubuntu wiki stuff quite thin on the gorund
[05:14] <zerzan> reet, well i either need to fix one router or find the power suplpy for the other... this could take a while!
[05:14] <ogra> yes, sorry, havnet come around to update yet ...
[05:14] <zerzan> its ok, ill write up the problems ive had if you like when it's all finsihed?
[05:15] <ogra> sure :)
[05:15] <zerzan> :)
[05:15] <zerzan> and really, if we can make this stuff work... anyone can make anything work.
[05:15] <ogra> edubuntu is supposed to be able to make anything work ;)
[05:15] <zerzan> apart from crap graphics cards :p
[05:16] <zerzan> most of these network cards dont have net boot either so im gonan need to work out how to boot them from floppy
[05:16] <ogra> it worked ... it just wasnt pleasnt :)
[05:16] <zerzan> haha i guess :p
[05:16] <zerzan> if everyone used irc, lynx and pine we'd be fine
[05:16] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[05:17] <zerzan> cool, i saw that.. when it works, il be impressed :)
[05:17] <ogra> works for most people .
[05:17] <zerzan> if you put in a net bootable card should it detect it automaticaly?
[05:17] <ogra> as long as its PXE it will work out of the box, yes
[05:17] <zerzan> its been a bit sketchy but then everythings  abit broke and its hard to work out which bit it is...
[05:17] <zerzan> didnt know if i might need to update the bios on some older ocmputers
[05:31] <jsgotangco> night
[05:52] <zerzan> ok...
[05:52] <zerzan> i dont think you can disable dhcp on this router
[05:52] <zerzan> if i disable dhcp on the server, will everything work ok?
[05:52] <zerzan> i gues smy quesiton is: does it matter which box is doing dhcp?
[05:53] <zerzan> oh well i just found it after all, but i guess the question still stands
[06:04] <ogra> if you can tell your router how to provide the bootimage and make it point to the right root path for the nfs mount, the you could use the router ...
[06:07] <zerzan_> ahhh ok
[06:07] <zerzan_> hmm
[06:07] <zerzan_> best to leave it off i guess
[06:08] <ogra> yup
[06:08] <zerzan_> shall i plug the internet feed into the wan port or just a regular eth port? i sense im not really using it for it's designed purpous any more, bhut not sure how far to push it...
[06:17] <zerzan> whoops got disconnected
[06:18] <zerzan> so... if im using a router as a switch (by turning dhcp off) can i still use the wan port for internet access or will i just need to plug it into a regular port?
[06:18] <zerzan> if that makes sense
[06:19] <ogra> it should work with the wan port ... 
[06:19] <ogra> you just need to know whic ip it has if you want to use it as gateway
[06:19] <zerzan> cool
[06:19] <zerzan> how do i set it, in the control panel?
[06:21] <zerzan> oh sod it, here we go
[06:21] <zerzan> into the depths... 
[06:35] <zerzan> ok, next question :p
[06:36] <zerzan> i have a client that it set to net boot, but it doesnt seem to be working... any ideas?
[06:36] <zerzan> its set to PXE
[06:36] <ogra> you edited the dhcpd.conf file like the install notes describe ? 
[06:37] <zerzan> umm
[06:37] <zerzan> we'll im using a 192.168.0.x setup. so i thgouht i didnt need to?
[06:39] <ogra> is dhcpd running ? 
[06:39] <zerzan> yup
[06:40] <ogra> hmm, then it shoudl work ...
[06:40] <ogra> whats the error ? 
[06:40] <zerzan> it doesnt show anyhting up
[06:40] <zerzan> it searches for a boot record form the floppy
[06:41] <ogra> then it doesnt netboot 
[06:41] <zerzan> hm ok
[06:41] <zerzan> theres a menu i can go into where i can set it to net boot though
[06:42] <zerzan> and if i put a diff card it in doesnt bring up the option for the menu
[06:42] <zerzan> 'boot protocol' has the choices PXE or RPL
[06:43] <zerzan> other options... PnP/BEV boot
[06:43] <zerzan> default boot (set to network)
[06:43] <zerzan> local boot (disabled)
[06:43] <zerzan> prompt time (2)
[06:43] <zerzan> setup message (enable)
[06:43] <zerzan> power mngmt (acpi)
[06:44] <zerzan> pnp/bev boot set to enable btw
[06:44] <ogra> try to disable that ...
[06:44] <ogra> if it tries to access the floppy it seems itzs not even trying ...
[06:45] <zerzan> yea
[06:45] <zerzan> yeha it just goes straihgt from the option to load the menu to trying to boot from floppy
[06:47] <Burgwork> ogra, which timer?
[06:48] <ogra> heh
[06:48] <ogra> the one in gfxboot of the livecd
[06:50] <jsgotangco> ogra, it does work on my side, thanks
[06:50] <zerzan> ooh it says 'boot faliure', how ncie and unspecific
[06:50] <zerzan> you reckon its probably the network card?
[06:51] <ogra> might be 
[06:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, the liveCD ?
[06:52] <zerzan> right, my freinds giving me a reiki tretment, so i think thats enough for now. thanks a lot ogra, i've learnt a lot! probably back to bother you all later...
[06:56] <jsgotangco> ogra, yup
[06:57] <ogra> yay :)
[06:57] <ogra> zerzan, feel free to :)
[06:57] <jsgotangco> its nice to see amd64 live performance almost comparable to a 386 install
[06:58] <jsgotangco> amd64 just flies
[06:58] <ogra> yeah
[07:04] <jsgotangco> hrmm after all this time, elkner and kjcole decided to call for help
[07:04] <jsgotangco> they should have done it ealier ;)
[07:10] <ogra> heh