[12:25] <Riddell> come online?
[12:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wanting a job to do?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: possibly, what is it?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> transcript of them
[12:28] <Hobbsee> will it be a job that i'm able to do?  or like asciiquarium?
[12:28] <Riddell> well we could do with an updated package for ktorrent 1.2, and tested
[12:28] <Riddell> which should be easy, just use existing packaging
[12:29] <Riddell> or, we need someone to make a kubuntu equivalent of example-content which arrived in dapper today
[12:29] <Hobbsee> so just update it?
[12:29] <Riddell> but ktorrent would be cooler just now
[12:29] <Riddell> yes, just update it with the new ktorrent version
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ok, the second one sounds scary :P
[12:29] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[12:29] <Riddell> compile it, make sure there's no files missing
[12:29] <Riddell> make sure it runs
[12:30] <Riddell> and run a torrent overnight to see if it works :)
[12:30] <Riddell> actually in .au that'll probably use up your continent's bandwidth so someone else can do that
[12:30] <Hobbsee> hehe - it's 10.30 am - maybe someone else can test it?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> rofl yeah
[12:30] <Riddell> anyway, I'm off to bed
[12:30] <Riddell> night all
[12:31] <Hobbsee> night Riddell 
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: presumably you want ktorrent 1.2 rather than ktorrent 1.2rc2?
[12:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes please :)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> :) ok
[01:33] <Hobbsee> er...
[01:35] <Hobbsee> this is weird, checksum error
[01:56] <freeflying> Mez: hi
[01:56] <Mez> freeflying, sup/
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hey seth - can i have some help for a min?
[01:58] <seth> Hobbsee, you bet
[01:58] <Hobbsee> why am i getting this?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/devel/ktorrent$ dput revu *.changes
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Checking Signature on .changes
[01:58] <Hobbsee> gpg: Signature made Fri 10 Feb 2006 11:50:55 EST using DSA key ID 98B2D4F0
[01:58] <Hobbsee> gpg: Good signature from "Sarah Hobbs (irc: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@gmail.com>"
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Good signature on /home/sarah/devel/ktorrent/ktorrent_1.2-1build1_i386.changes.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Checking Signature on .dsc
[01:58] <freeflying> Mez: we can just backport skim to breezy 
[01:58] <Hobbsee> gpg: Signature made Fri 10 Feb 2006 11:54:35 EST using DSA key ID 98B2D4F0
[01:58] <seth> oh zoy, not another huge paste :(
[01:58] <Hobbsee> gpg: Good signature from "Sarah Hobbs (irc: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@gmail.com>"
[01:58] <seth> use dput -f
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Good signature on /home/sarah/devel/ktorrent/ktorrent_1.2-1build1.dsc.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Checksum doesn't match for /home/sarah/devel/ktorrent/ktorrent_1.2-1build1.dsc
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/devel/ktorrent$   
[01:58] <Hobbsee> oops, that was supposed to be a pastebin link that never got done
[01:58] <seth> oh, or not
[01:58] <seth> umm
[01:59] <seth> did you do a srcbuild
[01:59] <Mez> freeflying, based on waht
[01:59] <Mez> Hobbsee, you're called sarah?
[01:59] <seth> and um, if it's just a build1, you don't need to REVU it
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Mez: indeed
[01:59] <seth> just put a debdiff somewhere
[01:59] <Mez> wow - lol - I didnt know :D
[01:59] <Hobbsee> it's an upgrade
[01:59] <Mez> apologies - I always assumed you were female
[01:59] <Hobbsee> haha - yes Mez, i'm the first female dev...
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:59] <seth> Hobbsee, then why is it build1
[02:00] <Mez> Hobbsee, never met simira then ?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Mez: no, well...that's what i was told anyway
[02:00] <Hobbsee> oh well
[02:00] <Mez> lol :D
[02:00] <Mez> noproblems :d
[02:00] <Mez> nice to see some female blood in this male dominated world
[02:00] <Hobbsee> seth: i assumed it was supposed to be, as the last version was 0.11-1build1
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[02:01] <Mez> Hobbsee, no - build's are just a rebuild with same souce
[02:01] <Mez> if you change should be xubuntuy
[02:01] <Mez> so 0.11-1ubuntu1 for this
[02:01] <seth> and if you make no changes, it needs synched instead
[02:01] <Hobbsee> this version is 0.12
[02:01] <Mez> and then you need to re debuild -S sa
[02:01] <Mez> Hobbsee, then you def need to bump it
[02:01] <Mez> 0.12-0ubuntu1
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ah, ok
[02:01] <freeflying> Mez: actually skim is in ubuntu-cn and ubuntu-ja repository for a long time , it works fine 
[02:02] <Mez> what are you packaging
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ktorrent
[02:03] <Mez> does this fix the "crash after half an hour" bug ?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> got no idea - riddell asked me to do it
[02:03] <Mez> seth: you got motu yet?
[02:03] <Mez> actually - got your key signed yet?
[02:03] <seth> working on IF2, motu comes after
[02:03] <Mez> ah :D lol :D hows if2 coming ?
[02:03] <Mez> brandon hasnt asked me for help in ages
[02:04] <seth> it's almost done
[02:05] <seth> I'm writing the HTML templates
[02:05] <Mez> cool
[02:05] <Mez> lol
[02:06] <Mez> seth is evil :D
[02:06] <seth> nothing to see atm
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:07] <Mez> oh - you're australian too Hobbsee lol
[02:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:07] <Mez>  always wanted to visit 
[02:07] <Mez> neer had the money
[02:08] <Hobbsee> do it sometime, it's a nice place
[02:08] <Mez> yeah will do when i have the money
[02:08] <Mez> lol :D
[02:09] <Mez> I think we had like - 5 females at UBZ
[02:09] <Mez> the only one that wasnt canonical staff was simira
[02:09] <Mez> lol
[02:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:19] <Hobbsee> same error
[02:20] <Mez> Hobbsee, are you doing a debuild -S -sa as your last thing?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:20] <Mez> (if so - delete EVERYTHING from the dir other than the source folder and the .orig.tar.gz and try again
[02:21] <Hobbsee> no, wait...
[02:21] <Mez> cause i always seem to find that I just get the wrong file :D
[02:24] <Hobbsee> ah, looks like that's working...
[02:24] <Mez> ;)
[02:24] <Mez> just chekc now you didnt delete the .orig.tar.gz and make it debian native
[02:24] <Mez> I always do that
[02:28] <Hobbsee> that worked :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> say what?
[02:28] <Mez> nvm
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ok
[02:29] <Mez> I really ought to go to sleep
[02:41] <Hobbsee> lol nah...
[02:41] <Mez|ZzZ> ... ?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> for youb eing ought to go to sleep
[02:42] <Mez|ZzZ> why - it's like - 2am here
[02:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, but sleep is for wusses
[02:53] <Mez|ZzZ> sleep is for people who need to be up early in the morning to clean their house so it's suitable for their new gf to stop over later on that day
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:54] <Hobbsee> most girls dont care, you know...
[03:01] <Mez|ZzZ> freeflying, ping
[03:02] <Mez|ZzZ> Hobbsee, well - I do :D lol
[03:02] <freeflying> Mez|ZzZ: hi
[03:02] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:02] <Mez|ZzZ> I want a nice clean room
[03:02] <Mez|ZzZ> freeflying, not possible to backport skim
[03:03] <freeflying> Mez|ZzZ: skim just need scim , then it can work , we needn't backport qt and scim-qtimm
[03:04] <Mez|ZzZ> freeflying: please read http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127554
[03:09] <freeflying> Mez|ZzZ: got it , I forgot that scim had ABI changes 
[03:09] <Mez|ZzZ> freeflying yeah
[03:10] <Mez|ZzZ> though i'm thinking of doing what Riddell did for the KDE packages
[03:10] <Mez|ZzZ> to get past the ABI transition
[03:12] <freeflying> Mez: It's seems source changes will not permit for backport 
[03:12] <Mez> freeflying, i could change it though to make it backportable
[03:13] <freeflying> Mez: scim ?
[03:13] <Mez> yes
[03:13] <freeflying> Mez: will you need help 
[03:14] <Mez> oh I can make it backportable easy
[03:14] <Mez> it's really just a rename of the binary package
[03:14] <Mez> scim's API hasnt changed I believe
[03:14] <Mez> just because of the c++ transition
[03:15] <freeflying> Mez: y
[03:15] <Mez> why ?
[03:17] <freeflying> Mez: it's really rename the binary package , and no other changes 
[03:17] <Mez> yeah I know and thats easy enough to do
[03:18] <freeflying> Mez: thx  fotr your backport   :)
[03:18] <Mez> well I dont know if I will backport it yet
[03:18] <Mez> it involves mking a delata from debian
[03:20] <freeflying> Mez: hope you may   
[03:27] <Mez> freeflying, you still there?
[03:27] <freeflying> Mez: y
[03:28] <Mez> would you be able to hop onto #ubuntu-devel and explain to infinity whats broken in scim for breezy?
[04:04] <Mez> freeflying - it seems you have your wish
[04:04] <freeflying> Mez: thx 
[05:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that Knetworkmanager looks really nice!  Can i test versions of it or something at some point?
[06:31] <Lathiat> ooh theres a knetworkmanager?
[06:31] <Lathiat> i was pondering making one ;p
[06:31] <Lathiat> nice
[06:31] <Lathiat> i'll try thatout tonight
[06:31] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: in riddell's blog there is one, semi done or something
[07:53] <freeflying> anyone can tell how to pronounce "kubuntu"
[07:56] <Lathiat> it is prounounced: kubuntu
[07:56] <Lathiat> ;)
[07:57] <freeflying> Lathiat: you'd pronounce it   :)
[08:36] <mornfall> freeflying: i'd say kubuntu with some slavic pronunciation :)
[08:37] <freeflying> mornfall: I'd like know it  :)
[08:38] <mornfall> you can pronounce it like "debian" ;-)
[08:39] <freeflying> mornfall: hehe
[08:59] <sealne> maybe we need something like linus pronouncing linux :)
[08:59] <freeflying> sealne: ask Riddell for that  :)
[09:00] <sealne> isn't it sladen that has linus on his website
[09:01] <sealne> or were you meaning to get Riddell to say it on the website? :)
[09:01] <sealne> he'd need to make his own name rhyme with kubuntu tho :)
[09:03] <sealne> the problem with pronouncing linux was charlie brown
[09:03] <Tm_T> Jonathan Rubuntu =)
[09:03] <freeflying> sealne: Maybe Riddell speak it , and put on kubuntu's website 
[09:03] <Tm_T> sealne: rhyme enough?
[09:03] <sealne> yeah i couldn't work out how to spell rhyme
[09:04] <sealne> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/
[09:16] <freeflying> Tm_T: popup can not use still
[09:31] <Tm_T> freeflying: ok, I'll test it as soon as possible, thanks
[09:33] <freeflying> guys , have a look :http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/dapper.png
[09:38] <freeflying> How about the effect 
[09:46] <allee> freeflying: it's unreadable ;)
[09:46] <allee> freeflying: what effect?
[09:50] <freeflying> allee: chinese fonts display
[09:51] <allee> freeflying: ah.  Didn't work before?  Then great
[09:51] <freeflying> allee: we are tweaking for better displaying , hope it can be better than other distro 
[09:53] <allee> freeflying: hope you reach your goal.  Btw. the debian/ubuntu 27xxx and redhat/fedora 30xxx. What are they about?
[09:53] <freeflying> allee: it's a chinese linux forum 
[09:53] <allee> 'k
[09:55] <allee> freeflying: something OT.  I've a directory with filenames with all sorts of glyphs. I use ls example/UTF-8/ as demo.
[09:56] <allee> freeflying: question: What does  mean?  (was cut and paste from some spam?)  I hope it's nothing bad
[09:56] <freeflying> allee: these means : a letter from your friends
[09:57] <allee> freeflying: puh, good.  that's okay. thx a lot.  
[09:57] <freeflying> allee: it's must be spam in my opinion
[09:58] <allee> yeap. I never asked for letter in chinese.
[09:59] <freeflying> allee: maybe I'll send you mail in chinese  :)
[09:59] <allee> :)
[12:47] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell :)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> i uploaded ktorrent  to revu :)
[12:47] <Riddell> oh, cool
[12:48] <sealne> weird in breezy 3.5.1 i just tried copying the MP3 directory of an audio cd and it gave me 0 sized files
[12:48] <Riddell> sealne: no mp3 encoder?
[12:48] <mornfall> :-)
[12:49] <sealne> Riddell: hmm
[12:49] <Riddell> although it shouldn't show the MP3 directory in that case
[12:49] <mornfall> busted mp3 encoder comes to mind
[12:49] <Riddell> freeflying: what's changed in ttf-arphic-uming?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that knetworkmanager that you had in your screenshot on your blog - do you have testing packages for that at all?
[12:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, I didn't make packages since it requires CVS network manager and that won't get into dapper
[12:50] <Hobbsee> ok
[12:51] <mornfall> what do you people think about "Request Removal" and "Request Install" for the actions in adept? (intsead of install package/remove package)
[12:52] <sealne> Riddell: yep installing lame helped, but that wasn't an obvious error for a user (or me being dumb)
[12:53] <Riddell> mornfall: having Install/Remove isn't obvious that you then have to click on the Commit button
[12:53] <Riddell> Request seems a bit strange though
[12:53] <Riddell> I'd say Mark for Removal, Mark for Install
[12:53] <sealne> i'd agree about the commit thing i've had t remind users of that a few times
[12:53] <Riddell> but that's quite long text
[12:54] <sealne> i'd say the same thing applied to the dist-upgrade button
[12:54] <mornfall> commit could go to Perform Changes
[12:54] <mornfall> but, well
[12:55] <mornfall> neither is good
[12:55] <mornfall> apply changes
[12:55] <mornfall> that could do
[12:55] <Riddell> yeah, apply could work
[12:55] <sealne> yeah once you understand the concept its fine its getting it accross to the user the first time
[12:55] <Riddell> that's quite a common GUI feature
[12:55] <mornfall> i don't like the mark terminology though
[12:56] <mornfall> the thing is that i want to distinguish between auto-installed and request-installed
[12:57] <Riddell> Request is ok, it just suggests to me that the user isn't in control here, "please computer, do as I say" :)
[12:58] <mornfall> well, there is no future imperative in english, is there?
[12:59] <Riddell> don't know what that means, so probably not :)
[12:59] <sealne> "add to list of things to do when i click commit" ? :)
[12:59] <mornfall> sealne: beware, i will implement it like that and i'll blame you ;-)
[01:00] <sealne> hehe
[01:00] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:00] <Lathiat> has anyone considered installing and running like gnome-settings-daemon so GTK apps get a decent theme?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:00] <Lathiat> is there a reason not to?
[01:01] <Lathiat> i note g-s-d sets the X dpi that messes up font sizes in onsole, i guess thats one thing
[01:02] <Riddell> Lathiat: interesting.  what does it set it to?
[01:02] <Riddell> and how does it set it if X is already started
[01:03] <Lathiat> i think gnome blankets to 96
[01:03] <Lathiat> i think X goes to 75 or something?
[01:03] <Lathiat> i dunno what Xresource to check
[01:03] <ubijtsa2> xdpyinfo may tell you
[01:03] <Lathiat> nope
[01:04] <Lathiat> its the Xft.dpi setting i think
[01:04] <Riddell> resolution:
[01:04] <Lathiat> how do i ask the xserver for a resource?
[01:04] <Riddell> (in xdpyinfo)
[01:04] <Lathiat> the xdpyinfo dpi si different ot the one the font system uses
[01:04] <Lathiat> see X says 75x75 for me
[01:04] <Lathiat> gnome defautls to 96
[01:04] <Lathiat> i think it sets that when g-s-d starts
[01:04] <ubijtsa2> xdpyinfo | grep resolution:
[01:05] <ubijtsa2> I get "resolution:    101x108 dots per inch" for screen #0
[01:05] <Lathiat> its probably hardware specific
[01:05] <Lathiat> and driver specific
[01:05] <Lathiat> e.g. the nvidia driver fills out the correct dpi
[01:06] <ubijtsa2> iirc there is a way of telling X the x&y dpi for each display
[01:06] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/dpi.png
[01:06] <Lathiat> ubijtsa2: ther eis but its not always accurate
[01:06] <Lathiat> dodgy laptops have a habbit of beign wrong
[01:06] <ubijtsa2> err 404
[01:06] <Lathiat> ah
[01:06] <Lathiat> wrong dir
[01:06] <Lathiat> hangon
[01:06] <Lathiat> try now
[01:07] <Lathiat> konsole on the left was before starting g-s-d
[01:07] <Lathiat> on the right was after
[01:08] <ubijtsa2> uuuh, that's not right.. 
[01:08] <ubijtsa2> I see what you mean..
[01:09] <ubijtsa2> g-s-d (whatever it is) is messing with the dpi, and I bet it's in gconf somewhere
[01:11] <Riddell> gnome-settings-daemon also takes about 10 minutes to run
[01:11] <ubijtsa2> hmm, I don't have it running
[01:11] <Riddell> Carla Hufstedler (carlamichele) wants to join this team.  do we know this person?
[01:13] <Riddell> ubijtsa2: nope, who are you?
[01:13] <ubijtsa2> Riddell: Anders Karlsson, occasional poster on the mailing lists, general source of bad ideas and a QA engineer by trade
[01:14] <ubijtsa2> that about sums it/me up
[01:17] <Hobbsee> havent heard of a carlamichele
[01:18] <ubijtsa2> nothing on the ML in that name what I can see
[01:18] <ubijtsa2> (in the last six months or so)
[01:19] <sebas> Is gstreamer 0.10 going into dapper?
[01:19] <Riddell> ubijtsa2: groovy, pleased to meet you
[01:19] <Riddell> sebas: yes but not in kubuntu
[01:19] <Riddell> since nothing uses it
[01:20] <sebas> Ah, thx.
[01:20] <ubijtsa2> Riddell: dito :)
[01:23] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: do you saw my new kmail-bug-entry?
[01:23] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: yes, not investigated yet
[01:24] <jeroenvrp> ok thanks
[01:24] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: if it's related to your Mail directory you probably need to attach that directory
[01:24] <Riddell> (which could have interesting privacy implications)
[01:24] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: mmm I don't going to attach a 1,5 GB mail-directory :-)
[01:25] <jeroenvrp> anyhow, kmail was 1 or 2 times updated in dapper and there where no problems
[01:26] <jeroenvrp> what i can do, is create a new Mail-folder and move every submailfolder one by one to the new Mail-folder
[01:26] <jeroenvrp> but it still is very strange
[01:26] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: that might well be the only way to debug it
[01:26] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ok I will do that this afternoon
[01:28] <jeroenvrp> lets start with the inbox
[01:29] <Riddell> wow, gnome-settings-daemon messes up my font sizes amazingly
[01:30] <Tm_T> =)
[01:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: maybe it thinks your settings confuse you ;)
[01:34] <Tm_T> freeflying: ping
[01:34] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[01:35] <Tm_T> hmm, let's have pingpong kubuntu-championship tournament
[01:35] <Tm_T> =)
[01:36] <Mez> Tm_T, do you use amarok ?
[01:36] <Riddell> Mez: yo
[01:36] <Mez> Riddell: any chance you can do a lil testing for me?
[01:36] <Tm_T> Mez: oh yes!
[01:36] <Mez> it involves having some tracks in amarok and using SQLite in amarok
[01:36] <Mez> and thats about it
[01:36] <Mez> I need someone to test if this subselect works in SQLite
[01:36] <Riddell> I already do that
[01:37] <Mez> Riddell: can you run this command
[01:38] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT thing.artist, thing.album, thing.title, thing.url, thing.path from (SELECT artist.name AS artist, album.name AS album, tags.title, tags.url, images.path FROM album, artist, tags, images WHERE album.id = tags.album AND artist.name = images.artist AND album.name = images.album) AS thing"
[01:38] <Mez> (all one line)
[01:38] <Mez> and see if it returns anything
[01:39] <Mez> prefereable if you have less tracks though
[01:39] <Mez> feel free to change it to 
[01:40] <Riddell> doesn't seem to return anything
[01:40] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT thing.artist, thing.album, thing.title, thing.url, thing.path from (SELECT artist.name AS artist, album.name AS album, tags.title, tags.url, images.path FROM album, artist, tags, images WHERE album.id = tags.album AND artist.name = images.artist AND album.name = images.album) AS thing WHERE thing.artist='Name of Artist Here'"
[01:40] <Mez> feck
[01:40] <Mez> SQLlite doesnt allow subselects
[01:53] <freeflying> Tm_T: pong
[01:53] <Tm_T> freeflying: what problem it was with kopete?
[01:54] <freeflying> Tm_T: popup can not use 
[01:55] <Tm_T> hmm, what popup
[01:55] <Tm_T> you mean some notification?
[01:55] <freeflying> Tm_T: y
[01:55] <Tm_T> ok, I'll test
[02:01] <Tm_T> freeflying: atleast here notification popups seems to work just fine
[02:01] <freeflying> Tm_T: if I met that problem again , I'll give u a screenshot 
[02:01] <Tm_T> ok
[02:02] <Tm_T> thanks
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1720 is the direct link to ktorrent whenever you want to do something with it :)
[02:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm happily torrenting away now
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ok :)
[02:25] <Riddell> if it doesn't crash in a couple of hours I'll ask for a UVF exception and upload
[02:25] <Hobbsee> excellent
[02:25] <Hobbsee> seems that it's working better than my wireless card then
[02:26] <freeflying> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1721 
[02:26] <Riddell> freeflying: what's changed?
[02:27] <freeflying> Riddell: re-list fonts in conf for display chinese better
[02:29] <Riddell> freeflying: what does arphic mean by the way?
[02:30] <robotgeek> wow, kmplayer is nice
[02:32] <freeflying> Riddell: arphic is the name of a Company produce fonts
[02:32] <Hobbsee> night all
[02:32] <robotgeek> later Hobbsee 
[02:32] <freeflying> Hobbsee: night
[02:34] <Riddell> freeflying: where does the 10_new-ttf-arphic-uming-conf.dpatch patch come from?
[02:35] <freeflying> Riddell: we locoteam reconfigure the configure file , and make that patch , also we've comunicated this with the author and debian maitainer 
[02:38] <freeflying> Riddell: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/ these srcreenshot were taken after use this configure file , you may have a look
[02:39] <Riddell> freeflying: where do the updates to the translations come from?
[02:41] <Riddell> ah, they look like just adding wordwrap
[02:41] <Riddell> freeflying: well I can upload but I have not much idea of what that patch does so you'll need to tell me if it breaks anything :)
[02:41] <freeflying> Riddell: the configure file was come from we chinese users , and have been tested in daily use
[02:42] <freeflying> Riddell: nothing at all
[02:43] <Riddell> great, uploading 
[02:43] <freeflying> Riddell: to solve the chinese display better , we shall submit patch to fontconfig , but now it's hard to do , and that will be time-consuming 
[02:43] <freeflying> Riddell: so this way will be athe best choice now 
[02:44] <Riddell> right
[02:44] <freeflying> Riddell: thx 
[02:45] <freeflying> Riddell: u've said that I'd give u a report after the coming canonical meeting , what will be the report about then ?
[02:47] <Riddell> did I?
[02:48] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[02:48] <Riddell> not sure what that was meaning
[02:49] <freeflying> Riddell:   :) 
[02:50] <Riddell> freeflying: what's happening with ttf-arphic-newsung? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1020
[02:50] <freeflying> Riddell: this font has been included in ttf-arphic-uming now
[02:51] <Riddell> ah right, I'll archive it
[02:51] <freeflying> Riddell: ok 
[03:09] <jjesse> the meeting is next thursday right?
[03:10] <Riddell> that's what it says in /topic
[03:12] <freeflying> Riddell: the time is too early for me  :)
[03:33] <Mez> Riddell: how did you get the control overwrite thing to work
[03:33] <Mez> I cant seem to get it to
[03:38] <Riddell> Mez: just a cp rule, see debian/rules in kdelibs
[03:39] <Mez> Riddell, I know that but I've tried it
[03:39] <Mez> and it doesnt seem to work
[03:39] <Mez> unless theres a problem in lsb_release
[03:40] <Mez> control:
[03:40] <Mez>         [ `lsb_release -c -s` = "breezy" ]  && cp debian/control-breezy debian/control
[03:40] <Riddell> I don't think '=' is a valid test operator
[03:41] <Mez> it is
[03:42] <Riddell> not listed in man test
[03:43] <mornfall> it is
[03:43] <mornfall> i also think it should be "`lsb_release -c -s`"
[03:44] <Mez> mornfall - 
[03:44] <Mez> mez@lethargy:/scratch/scim/scim-1.4.4$ [ `lsb_release -c -s` = "breezy" ]  && echo true
[03:44] <Mez> mez@lethargy:/scratch/scim/scim-1.4.4$ [ `lsb_release -c -s` = "dapper" ]  && echo true
[03:44] <Mez> true
[03:44] <Riddell> hmm, ok
[03:44] <Mez> it doesnt seem to be working though
[03:44] <Mez> maybe it'snot being called?
[03:44] <mornfall> that's ok, just that it may be say "foo bar" on some system :-)
[03:44] <mornfall> possibly
[03:45] <Mez> build-stamp:  config.status control
[03:45] <Mez> is where i have the control rule called
[04:25] <jjesse> Riddell: i sent you the first draft via email, please let me know corrections/changes etc... you can make them right in the doc if you want, just make sure it tracks changes
[04:26] <Riddell> jjesse: draft of what?
[04:26] <jjesse> kubuntu chapter
[04:26] <jjesse> for the book
[04:27] <jjesse> you asked for a copy of the draft
[04:27] <Riddell> oh, cool
[06:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: I sent the email
[06:27] <kkathman> systemsettings very frustrating. I am assuming that this is either being eliminated in Dapper or fixed? hehe
[06:28] <Riddell> kkathman: what's the problem?
[06:29] <kkathman> Riddell:  seems that in several panels, the resultant window for a choice does not open properly, and is truncated so that options cannot be seen
[06:29] <kkathman> example:  Sound and multimedia
[06:30] <kkathman> when it opens, one cannot get to the bottom portion of the options
[06:30] <kkathman> however, if you choose the option from kcontrol, this panel is fine
[06:30] <Riddell> it's too big for the screen, it's on my TODO to fix
[06:30] <jpatrick> Alt-Drag the window
[06:31] <Riddell> jjesse: .doc??
[06:31] <kkathman> I typically use kcontrol anyway. I think that other windows are like this also 
[06:31] <kkathman> why not go back to kcontrol?
[06:31] <kkathman> that seems cross-distribution compatible
[06:31] <jpatrick> Simplity
[06:31] <jpatrick> hm typo
[06:31] <kkathman> hmm k
[06:32] <kkathman> guess Im just the creature of habit
[06:32] <kkathman> love kcontrol :)
[06:32] <kkathman> I know where everything is :) haha
[06:33] <kkathman> well back to the Kubuntu guide for me :)
[06:36] <kkathman> also, there is a small issue that I've noticed.  Obscure to be sure.  I have a separate panel on the bottom left of my screen, that houses the desktops applet, and the systray. When I set this to "hide" it is nearly impossible to get it to come back up. One must make several passes at it to trigger it to appear.
[06:37] <kkathman> interestingly enough. when its "hidden", and comes up, it sits right on the bottom of the screen. However, change the panel to non-hidden, it does NOT sit and the very bottom, but about  30 pixels higher
[06:37] <kkathman> I think thats a bug
[06:37] <Riddell> a bug in kicker?  surely not!
[06:38] <jpatrick> not with aseigo there
[06:39] <jpatrick> bonsoir pef
[06:39] <pef> hello
[06:41] <kkathman> Riddell:  not kicker per se (i.e. main panel) but when you add multiple panels and position them at the bottom, they dont go where they should
[06:42] <kkathman> I dont have this problem, for instance, on my SUSE install.  So Im thinking there must be something specific to Kubuntu?
[06:42] <pef> salut jpatrick :)
[06:42] <kkathman> I have not tried Dapper tho
[06:42] <kkathman> maybe its fixed there?
[06:42] <pef> Riddell: are you around ?
[06:44] <Riddell> pef: hi
[06:44] <pef> Riddell: how are you Jonathan N
[06:44] <pef> ?
[06:44] <Riddell> kkathman: there's nothing changed in kubuntu that should alter how kicker behaves
[06:44] <Riddell> N?
[06:45] <pef> s/N/?/ N is near ? on french keyboard :)
[06:45] <kkathman> hmm... ok Riddell Im at a loss to explain why its different in SUSE 10 then. 
[06:46] <Riddell> kkathman: different KDE versions?  kicker has had a lot of fixes in 3.5
[06:46] <Riddell> pef: :)  I'm just groovy thanks
[06:46] <kkathman> Riddell:  I am running 3.5.1 on both distributions, however.
[06:46] <pef> Riddell: is it difficult tu submit patch to kde ? have I just to attach them on the bug report ?
[06:47] <kkathman> Riddell:  it may be that there is some obscure setting Im overlooking in one or the other.
[06:48] <mornfall> kkathman: it may be suse patching kde more than kubuntu patching kde :-)
[06:48] <jpatrick> pef: yes - there's more info at developer.kde.org
[06:48] <kkathman> yes thats always true I imagine
[06:49] <kkathman> though, the repository I used to upgrade to 3.5 and 3.5.1 was a kde repository. But I supposed there could be some clever tricks.
[06:51] <Riddell> KDE repository?
[06:52] <Riddell> pef: if there's a bug report then attaching it there is probably the best way
[06:52] <Riddell> pef: what's the bug entry?
[06:53] <pef> Riddell: still no entry on bugs.kde.org, only on LP for the moment, I'm compiling from kde svn to see if it worth writing a patch
[06:53] <Riddell> ah
[06:53] <Riddell> what's the LP entry?
[06:55] <pef> #30693
[06:57] <pef> very small bug, but I try to learn KDE internals :)
[07:00] <Riddell> certainly no kubuntu changes to khexedit
[07:01] <Riddell> so grab 3.5 branch, fix it, send patch to khexedit maintainer (if there is one)
[07:01] <Riddell> also do a patch for trunk too, but don't try compiling trunk
[07:06] <pef> Riddell: because migration to qt4 ?
[07:10] <Riddell> pef: yep
[07:10] <pef> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[07:43] <Riddell> help needed, could someone please test this repository
[07:43] <Riddell> deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.5.1/kubuntu breezy main
[07:43] <Riddell> just do apt-get update and tell me if apt complains at all
[07:55] <jpatrick> Riddell: nothing to report: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/548703
[07:56] <Riddell> this is most strange, I've had more than one person say they get a gpg error on that, but I can't and you don't
[07:57] <jpatrick> maybe they need your key
[07:57] <Riddell> nope, different error
[07:57] <Riddell> bad signature, not no key
[07:59] <jpatrick> never heard of that error
[08:17] <Tonio_> hi
[08:19] <jpatrick> Tonio_: nice to see you
[08:20] <Tonio_> heya jpatrick 
[08:22] <jpatrick> ca va?
[08:23] <Tonio_> ma foi waip :)
[08:23] <Tonio_> en pleine migration de messagerie, donc c un peu tendu :)
[08:47] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hehe, I was saying I'm in the middle of a full mail migration, including MX on the net etc..... so it's a bit hot ;)
[08:48] <Tonio_> it has to work on monday morning, or I'll get killed :)
[08:49] <jjesse> good luck Tonio_
[08:49] <jjesse> what are you migrating from to?
[08:50] <Tonio_> my company had externalised services, based on imap etc.... but the quality was horrible
[08:51] <Tonio_> so we're migrating to local delivery, on ms exchange, with a linux + amavis + spamassassin frontend
[08:51] <jjesse> sounds like lots of fun :)
[08:51] <Tonio_> so it implies a complete ldap reorganisation, policies modifications
[08:51] <Tonio_> delegations on the boxes etc......
[08:52] <Tonio_> but the architecture is working, I just need to wait for the new MX to replicate, and make a prayer
[08:53] <Tonio_> ;)
[08:53] <Tonio_> the problem is that exchange is quite well integrated to active directory, but it is an horrible mess inside...........
[08:53] <Tonio_> you can't at a moment say "everything will work"... you simply have to wait and see, I hate that ;)
[09:51] <hunger> What on earth did you do to the fonts in the newest updates of kde?
[09:52] <hunger> They suddenly look terrible!
[10:35] <luka74> hunger_: seems to be generic Ubuntu problem (not KDE specific)
[10:35] <luka74> see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=721844
[11:01] <Riddell> hmm, wonder if that's freeflying's font at fault