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jsgotangcolet's just talk about sprints *after* docstring freeze :)12:05
Burgworkjsgotangco, for dapper+1?12:08
jsgotangcobasically yeah12:09
Burgworkdapper +1 is more workable for me. I might actually be able to get time off and will be able to apply myself more to actual docs, given that I would be finished the book12:10
jsgotangcoooh kde updates12:12
jsgotangcogoodie12:12
Burgworkbah, kde12:15
jsgotangcoshaddup12:16
Burgworklol12:17
Burgwork:)12:17
jsgotangcohave you moved already?12:17
Burgworkthank jsgotangco, you made me feel better12:17
Burgworkyep12:17
jsgotangcowith net?12:17
Burgworkgoing in on the 14th12:17
jsgotangcoahh nice12:18
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Burgworkwhat is your timezone again?12:19
jsgotangco+812:19
jsgotangcoit s only 7:20am12:19
Burgworkah12:20
BurgworkI was awake at 7am. Then I went back to sleep for another 2 hours12:21
jsgotangcoi wish i could do that12:21
jsgotangcoive been doing 2 jobs lately12:21
jsgotangcoi slept around 1am a few hours ago and woke at at 612:22
jsgotangco:/12:22
=== ompaul just got back from lug business - we will own the world and everybody will run our software one day, sorry, let me rewrite that, we will own the world and everybody will share our software one day :-)
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mhzjsgotangco: there is a HTML bultin option for users to use html instead of wikisyntax but it is 'off' for security reasons. However, if enabled, the parser works like this:  html parser {{{ #!html bla bla <tagfu>bla</tagfu> ginger bla }}}12:32
jsgotangcohmmm12:32
jsgotangcothis is if for a gui editor?12:32
mhzid?12:33
mhzsorry. if?12:33
jsgotangcoif?12:33
=== mhz wonders how useful could this be for -dco purposes and moin fans
mhzyou said: this is if for a gui editor?12:34
jsgotangcoahh i think i get you now12:34
jsgotangcobah bad english at 7:30am12:34
mhz-dco = -doc12:34
mhzhehehe12:34
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n17hello12:44
LaserJockhi12:44
n17I have an awkward question12:44
n17i've been struggling to compile a ndiswrapper for days for a wireless device12:46
LaserJockn17: have you tried #ubuntu?12:46
LaserJockn17: or wiki.ubuntu.com ?12:46
n17they aren't paying any attention to me12:46
n17and that wasn't all that helpful12:46
n17wiki i mean12:47
LaserJockdid you do a search for ndiswrapper on wiki.ubuntu.com12:47
n17yes12:47
n17the drivers they listed....aren't compatible12:48
n17i could look again12:48
LaserJockn17: did you look at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List12:49
n17no.12:49
n17i'll check that out -hold on  sec....12:49
LaserJockcould we just start with a DocTeam irc sprint? Get everybody together for a day to work on docs? or is that already planned?01:00
jsgotangcoLaserJock, sure we tried before though01:00
LaserJockwhen?01:00
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jsgotangcopre-breezy01:00
LaserJocksorry01:00
LaserJockI just thought that maybe we had more people now01:00
n17well, i found libusb-0.1.11, but it's missing the files i need to install into the ndiswrapper01:01
n17sorry to interrupt01:01
n17this is totally frustrating01:01
LaserJockn17: have you tried the ubuntu forums?01:01
n17yeah. a couple of times.  None of those methods work very well01:02
n17I mean, i haven't posted a question....maybe I should post a question about this?01:03
LaserJockn17: you might, the thing is that I (we) are not in a very good position to be giving support. #ubuntu is the support channel but if you haven't been able to get an answer there maybe a forum post could do the trick01:08
n17yeah. I've been able to make some headway using the forums, i'm just in this weird unworkable spot and i don't know what to do 01:10
n17i don't even know if i could explain it....01:10
n17i'll try #ubuntu again and if i get passed over i'll just try to figure it out myself01:12
n17thank you for, at the least, trying to help me01:13
n17maybe i'll be back01:13
LaserJockn17: good luck, sorry I'm not much help. I really don't know anything about ndiswrapper01:16
KyralLJ mind if I look over the Package Guide and write some things?01:17
KyralI need to earn SVN access soon01:17
lambertn17: you still here?01:18
LaserJockKyral: yeah, go for it. Send patches either directly to me or to the -doc list01:18
LaserJockKyral: do you have a svn checkout of the repo?01:20
KyralLaserJock: nope01:20
LaserJockKyral: get one ;-)01:20
KyralI'm actually trying to clear my HD of junk lol01:20
LaserJockwell this isn't junk :-)01:20
KyralSomeone write a script to search and destroy all the emacs backup files on system!01:20
KyralWhats the command anyway01:21
KyralI'm not well acquanted with SVN01:21
LaserJockhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository01:22
KyralI should see if my FSF email works01:25
KyralCheckout in progress01:27
jsgotangcoyou joined the FSF?01:27
LaserJocksweet, I just got irrsi installed on the iMac01:27
Kyraljsgotangco: yah01:28
Kyralas an Associate Member01:28
Kyralwhy?01:29
ompaulBurgwork, I have done what I am going to do tonight01:30
ompaulBurgwork, I'll be back for another hour in about 10 hours 01:30
Burgworkompaul, cool, just tell me when you are done01:31
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jsgotangcoKyral, is that lifetime?01:32
Kyraljsgotangco: as long as you pay your dues01:32
LaserJockKyral: how much?01:32
Kyralbut they are tax-detuctable in the US01:32
Burgworkyer pound of flesh01:32
jsgotangcowhat do you get?01:32
Kyralyanno01:32
KyralI'll just link you01:32
Kyralhttps://www.fsf.org/associate/index_html01:33
jsgotangcoInspire three other people to join  the FSF as associate members, and receive a personalized greeting recorded by Richard Stallman or Eben Moglen for your answering machine, voicemail or home page.01:33
KyralThat scares me lol01:34
Burgwork"Jerome, I am your father:01:34
Burgwork"01:34
jsgotangco"your phone service uses non-free software"01:34
jsgotangcoscary01:34
Kyrallol01:34
KyralBut %20 off FSF goods :D01:35
jsgotangcothe goods were made from nonfree systems01:35
jsgotangcoheh01:35
BurgworkFSF: All your software are copyright us01:35
jsgotangcooh you get to have a book cool01:36
Kyralyup01:36
jsgotangcoBootable Membership Card01:36
Kyralpetermcv@member.fsf.org works01:36
jsgotangcohmm $10 isn't so bad01:37
ompaulBurgwork, as I said I am away from the weekend (it being 00:33) here, I have an hour I can do before midday here, I will ping you when I can give no more to it01:37
Kyral$5 for me01:37
ompaulnight 01:37
KyralStudent :D01:37
jsgotangcoahhh student01:37
LaserJockyeah, I sure will miss those student discounts01:38
KyralBut in the US its tax-deductable01:38
Kyralwell, -$1001:38
Kyralso I thought01:38
Kyral"Right now I'm paying $5/month for Cedega, which really hasn't given me any more good stuff"01:39
jsgotangcoheh01:39
KyralSo I cancelled my Cedega updates and joined the FSF01:39
jsgotangcoFSF is better imo01:39
Kyraland the idea of a bootable business card really amuses me01:40
jsgotangcothis is nice, at least i can flash my bootable membership card to RMS when he arrives here01:40
Kyralhuh01:40
KyralWhere do you live?01:40
jsgotangcoManila01:40
Kyralhe's going there?01:40
jsgotangcoRMS is coming over in August for a conference01:40
jsgotangcoStallman01:40
KyralYah I know who RMS is01:40
KyralJeez do you think I'm an idiot?01:40
jsgotangco:)01:41
jsgotangcobear with me its only 9am :)01:41
KyralThe Faculty Advisor for COSI tried to get him to speak at Commencement01:41
LaserJockhmm, I wonder what FSF thinks of the US university systems?01:42
jsgotangcohe has a long list of requirements before accepting the invitation01:42
Kyrallol I heard01:42
KyralBelieve me I agree with most of them01:42
jsgotangco"AC is desirable but not less than 74F"01:42
jsgotangcoor something like that01:42
Kyrallol01:42
jsgotangco"No Pets but cats are ok as long as they're friendly"01:42
KyralHe would HATE Potsdam01:43
BurgworkRMS, the rockstar01:43
KyralPotsdam, NY that is01:43
Burgworkjsgotangco, we should find the right up and put it ont he smoking gun01:43
Burgworks/right/write01:43
jsgotangcohis needs?01:43
LaserJockwants is more like it ;-)01:43
Burgworkthose crazy things he wants01:44
jsgotangcoi have his email01:44
jsgotangcowe ogranized this event01:44
jsgotangcogood thing the campus that we're going to hold this has its own hotel01:44
KyralOkay Shower01:46
KyralHmm01:47
Kyralkyral@ubuntu.com points to my college mail01:47
Kyralbetter make my FSF mail point to my GMail01:47
jsgotangcobrb01:48
jsgotangcomoving to a new cucible01:48
LaserJockKyral: is GMail better than other email services?01:49
LaserJocklike Yahoo for example01:50
BurgworkLaserJock, I would say yes01:52
LaserJockoh my gosh, you can buy a GNU custom distro for $5,000 from FSF01:55
BurgworkLaserJock, linky?01:55
LaserJockhttps://agia.fsf.org/order/01:55
LaserJockAll the GNU software custom compiled for your computing platform01:56
LaserJockand one copy of all printed manuals.01:56
Burgworkisn't that distros ship for free?01:57
LaserJockbut you get a printed man page ;-)01:57
BurgworkI could get the man pages printed for less01:58
LaserJockI think it is just a way for people to contribute and feel all special01:59
LaserJockplus you get a poster of the GPL preamble02:00
BurgworkI guess so02:01
LaserJockand 10 tee-shirts02:01
LaserJocklol, makes me want to drop 5k02:02
BurgworkI think the Ubuntu foundation would be a better place to drop 5k, honestly02:03
LaserJockI think so to but I'm a bit biased that way02:04
Burgworknah, we aren't biased at all ;)02:05
KyralHonestly, my worst fear is turning into Stallman02:10
LaserJockwhy? in what way?02:11
Burgworkold, slightly crazy but somewhat respected?02:11
KyralHyper eccientric?02:11
KyralObi-Wan Kenobi without the awesomeness and Force?02:11
LaserJockKyral: lol, the only think you lack is age so I say you run a pretty good risk ;-)02:11
Kyral....02:12
KyralI'd rather end up like Linus02:13
LaserJockbtw, have you seen the vrms package?02:13
Kyralthe what?02:13
Kyraland LJ, GMail pwns you02:13
LaserJockvrms (Virtual Richard M. Stallman)02:13
Kyral....02:13
LaserJockThe vrms program will analyze the set of currently-installed packages on a Debian GNU/Linux system, and report all of the packages from the non-free tree which are currently installed.02:13
KyralI have to try this...02:14
Kyral....it picked up the linux-k7 package02:15
Kyralmadwifi modules...rar...the NVidia Driver...and Scilab02:15
KyralI swear Scilab was under GPL02:15
LaserJockI don't think so02:16
LaserJockI thought it was under non-free in debian02:16
Kyral...and it added itself as a monthly cronjob....02:16
LaserJockjust to keep all FSF members on the straight and narrow :-)02:16
Kyral...STFU02:16
Kyralall and all about 19 packages02:17
LaserJocknot bad02:18
Kyraljust cut it to 1502:19
Kyral0.8% of 1983 packages installed02:19
LaserJockI wonder what would happen on my iMac :p02:19
Kyralthough I can lose like 6 more because of all the LRM packs02:19
KyralFunny02:22
Kyralit didn't pick up w32codecs02:22
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BurgworkKyral, likely it looked in debian copyright02:22
LaserJockKyral: great, it must be GPL'd then ;-)02:22
Kyrallol02:22
Burgworkmore likely w32codecs is badly constructed as a package02:23
Kyralhmm02:23
Kyralwhen I install Debian on my laptop I'll aim for 0 Non-Free02:24
Kyralhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/840902:25
KyralOh Acroread isn't GPL?02:25
KyralI think I have Envince anyway02:25
jsgotangcoyeah02:25
KyralYah I do02:25
KyralBye Bye Acroread02:25
LaserJockI wish I could do that, evince just isn't there for me yet02:26
jsgotangcome too02:26
jsgotangcoit couldn't do the forms we have at work02:26
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LaserJockyeah, I have to do a lot of forms and I have to copy and paste out of .pdfs a lot02:26
KyralI'm using Tango02:26
jsgotangcoit doesnt jive much with brown02:27
KyralOh I have the blue version02:27
Kyral+ I don't like the Brown02:27
LaserJockI can't remember. I haven't seen my desktop for a couple days :(02:27
KyralI like white and greys02:27
LaserJockKyral: me too, here's a screenshot http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/841102:32
KyralBleh I try NOT to emulate Aqua :P02:34
LaserJockwell, I don't have much of a choice 02:34
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jsgotangcoplease dont add noise to the list :/02:55
Burgworkjsgotangco, that directed at me?02:56
Burgworksalut Madpilot 02:56
Madpilothi Burgwork - no net at home yet?02:56
BurgworkMadpilot, 14th02:57
jsgotangcowe have 272 people subscribed to -doc and every one of them receive that small exchange02:57
Burgworkjsgotangco, sorry02:57
Madpilotwell, some of us just snickered :P02:59
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Burgworkanyway, have to go eat. Night all03:03
jsgotangconight03:03
Madpilotlater03:03
jdubi just answered some interview questions for fosdem03:05
jdubthought you guys might be interested in one of my answers03:05
jdub> 3. What, in Ubuntu, ashamed you the most ?03:05
jdubOoh, tough question, but a good one to think about... From my point of view,03:06
jdubI'm disappointed that our less "developer focused" teams haven't had enough03:06
jdubof a helping hand to be as effective as they could be. It's a tough problem03:06
jdubin every code-oriented FOSS project, but I think it's an area where we could03:06
jdubimprove quite a lot in Ubuntu.03:06
jdub03:06
jdubsomething i think about quite regularly :-)03:06
jdubso if you guys ever have suggestions for things i can help with, let me know03:06
jsgotangcoawwwww03:08
Kyralhmm03:11
KyralThere is already an Install guide in the SVN Checkout...03:11
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KyralSo when Ubuntu Express comes out do I just expand on the current one or write a completely new one?03:14
mhzjdub: i agree with you03:47
mhzI have thought about this too from time to time03:47
mhzand I usually get to similar conclusions03:47
mhzm a r k e t i n g03:48
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mhzUsually, a FLOSS project is to focused on 'coding issues'03:49
mhzand 'end-users' feel very 'aside' of the project, like not fiting anywhere03:50
jsgotangcowell03:50
mhzjdub: however, in ubuntu, I know there are many good intentions to revert that03:50
mhzbut we still may not be aiming correctly03:51
mhzI have even thought about more agressive marketing03:51
mhzKarma points is one nice idea but it does not consider many contributions, like artwork, wiki, irc, install fests, howtofests (we'll have our first one in April if you read the docs I sent you), conferences, talks, organizing stuff, ML admins, etc03:53
Madpilotmhz: what's the difference btwn a howtofest & an installfest?03:53
mhzjdub: those may not be considered 'tech' point but surely deserve attention and lots of motivation03:53
mhzMadpilot: well, maybe it is not the best name but it was what I came up with after a shower... HowTo fest: users vote for a couple of topics prior to the event date and on the event we provide tutors who will help th voters learn stepbystep about DB's, python, Admin stuff, etc. It is a step for people who already do installs and have been using linux for a little while03:55
mhzFor example: HowTo install and run Zope?03:56
mhzHow to admin your own Mail server?03:56
mhzMadpilot: stuff like that03:56
mhzfrom lower intermediate level and up03:56
Madpilotmhz: cool idea - we've just started doing installfests again at our local LUG - I might mention howtofests as well03:56
mhzor maybe from upper beginner level03:56
mhzMadpilot: please do so03:57
mhzYou use same date for two purposes03:57
mhzthe logistic issues may be to have all technology related available03:57
Madpilotour installfest last month wound up being a howtofest of sorts after the first two hours anyway :P03:57
mhzI can't imagine myself tutoring about Moin without people actually running at least a MMDE version03:58
Madpilot(except for the Gentoo-installers, who were still compiling X or something...03:58
mhzlol03:58
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mhzMadpilot: yeah, making two kind of fests on same day bring people of different backgrounds to share expriences and help03:59
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mhzMadpilot: jdub: i know there are great howto's out there but it will never be the same for a newbie to have a doc or a tutor with him04:00
mhzjdub: so, yes, it is dissapointing there's much less contribution in non coding areas but that failure -if it is- it's our responsibility because we are not promoting well, we are not using marketing well. Evenelizers can go to a conference or a LoCo team meeting and will certainly encourage people while they are there but that is it. After 2 weeks things go back to neutral.04:02
mhzjdub: Instances like the the Letter doc-team and another team are doing is a good starting point04:03
mhzletting people know the status or needs 04:03
mhzBut i insist we need to be more agressive04:03
mhz.oO(maybe 'agressive' is not the right word)04:04
mhzjdub: ?04:04
mhz.oO( "I see dead people" )04:04
jsgotangcoInterrogation04:04
jsgotangco:D04:05
mhzlol04:05
mhzjsgotangco: you couldn't help it, right?04:05
jsgotangcoheh04:06
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mhz.oO(Maybe I should try to keep my answers lot shorter... 0    1    0    1     0 )04:32
MadpilotI just had a brainwave - the Mepis/Ubuntu deriv. will have to be called "Ubuntu ME" - look how well the name worked for MS... :D04:38
jsgotangcoUbuntu MEH :P04:41
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jsgotangcowhoa map cleanup06:26
Madpilothmm?06:27
jsgotangcoUbuntuWorldWide06:27
jsgotangcono one lives in antartica anymore06:28
Madpilotthere's still at least one person in the mid-Atlantic, though06:28
jsgotangcomust be his own private island or yacht :D06:29
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Madpilotit isn't Bermuda, it's right out in the middle - odd :P06:30
EricNeonhi all~06:30
Madpilothi EricNeon06:30
jsgotangcolol06:30
EricNeonlong time no see06:31
mhz.oO( eye doctor, please!)06:31
EricNeon:)06:31
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robotgeekwow, docu wiki seems nice09:03
Madpilotwhat?09:08
robotgeekMadpilot: http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/09:09
robotgeeksomeone posted this to the list, it apparently stroes it as xml internally09:10
robotgeekstores, rather09:10
Madpilotinteresting - we could abandon HTML converting/building entirely...09:11
robotgeekdunno what issues we might have with it09:11
jsgotangcoi could test it on my machine later09:14
jsgotangcothe problem would probably be the way we use entities09:14
robitailleis there a time set for the next docteam meeting?09:14
jsgotangcotoday? none09:14
jsgotangcoi'll just defer it for next week09:14
jsgotangcoi dont even know if something happened the last meeting09:15
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robotgeeknice gui too, but i don't know if we can just "move over" to another format09:27
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robotgeekMadpilot: it's actually a bit painful to install, heh10:11
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ompaulBurgwork, is there a position with regard to historical information on the faq, at this stage moving to warty from debian seems to be a bit of a redundant point12:00
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ompaulBurgwork, I am not going to do anything else with the faq before the weekend, however if you want to leave it place I will do something with it on Monday.12:09
mdkeKyral, i don't think the current install guide will be helpful. You should build on the guidalinex guide, because ubuntu-express is loosely built on the guidalinex install system12:23
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mdkehey jdub 01:59
mdkeyou got a few minutes?01:59
jdubmdke: not right now, my net connection just came back up and i have shit to sort out - sorry 8)02:00
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mdkejdub, no problem, I'll mail you I think02:00
mdkehi roblaptop 02:00
roblaptophi mdke 02:01
mdkejdub, ok email sent: I'd love it if you have a look, it's kinda advocacy related so i'm sure you'll have loads of ideas02:11
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jdubmdke: oh, funny02:16
jdubmdke: that's very timely02:16
mdkeyeah?02:16
mdkejdub, you think you might have a few moments for that in the next few days or so?02:17
jdubmdke: i've been doing some spec stuff for the artists we're contracting, and was wondering what was going on with the flash bits, to make sure we could have them *very* sexy, and consistent with the other artwork02:17
jdubyeah02:17
jdubwell02:17
jdubhmm02:17
jdubi'm leaving for europe on monday02:17
jdubbut i have a few days in the office in london02:17
mdkeooh02:18
mdkewhen?02:18
jdubum02:18
jdubi can't get to ubuntu02:18
jdublook at my wiki page02:18
mdkek02:18
jdubbetween oswc and fosdem02:18
jdubforget the dates ;)02:18
mdke18-24 feb02:19
mdkethat will be a bit late for those flash guys, they are keen to start soon02:19
jdubyeah02:19
jdubright02:19
mdkeany ideas you can stick on that wiki page would rock tho02:19
jdubok02:19
mdkecoolie02:19
jdubi don't think you gave the page name02:19
mdkecrap02:19
mdkehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/GreatFeaturesOfUbuntu?action=show02:20
jdubta02:20
jdubdude02:20
mdketa to you02:20
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jdubgreat BENEFITS of ubuntu :-)02:20
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mdkestuff like "it's free" won't work, because it's hard to animate02:21
mdkei dunno02:21
jdubit's free isn't a benefit02:21
jdubthat's a feature02:21
mdkelol02:22
mdkeanyhow02:22
mdkeany ideas gratefully received02:22
jdub"collect and share your photos"02:22
jdub^ benefit02:22
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mdkegood one02:22
jdubf-spot with tags and flickr and shit02:22
jdub^ feature02:22
jdub:-)02:22
mdkebtw while you're here, I did some color modifications on yelp: http://mdke.org/images/yelp02:23
mdkethat's on ubuntu 5.10, but you get the idea02:23
jdubhave web issues atm02:23
jdubwill look when that's fixed02:23
mdkethanks02:23
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mhzhmmm, there is so much nice docs in the wiki... Maybe we could use the Moin:SinglePageSlideShow macro ??02:37
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roblaptop?02:38
roblaptopI was going to work on something tonight, but got side tracked02:38
mhzIf we used that Moin macro, we could just render pages ready to be presented at a talk02:42
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mhzwell, of course that means we have to add a nice background and Headings look in in the CSS and that will be it. This macro cuts every H2 and make it a single slide, full screen02:44
robotgeekmhz: we could use that for the guides linked from "UserDocumentation"02:46
mhzyup02:47
mdkethe thing is, normally people look for one specific piece of documentation, not lots together02:47
mhzI used to give Moin talks02:47
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mhzand people got very surprised with such nice and simple rendering02:47
mhzmdke: yes. Case: Matt gives a talk about Ubuntu, he wants to use the content already in the wiki (for any purpose). So he opens firefox, enters url, choose Actions -> SlideShow and voila! ... the pages is automagically rendered as slides with a nice menu to browse pages02:49
mdkeok, that would help for things like development pages I suppose02:50
mdkenot docs though, I don't think02:50
robotgeekmdke: someguy in #kubuntu was asking about a screencast intro to ubuntu, is something like that on the cards, and do you know a link?02:59
mdkewhat is a screencast?02:59
robotgeekmdke: or a flash intro movie to ubuntu02:59
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mhzmdke: yes, it could. I mentioned it because you know I write almost 90% of my docs in Moin and so, I just do one document that is used for many purposes (normal wiki support, presentations, story telling, etc)..yeah, s c a r y :D03:00
mkdesorry, can't connect to my irc client03:01
mkderobotgeek: yes, there will be one, hopefully03:01
mkdethat is what I was talking about just now with jdub03:01
mkdewe're just trying to work out what to include in it03:02
robotgeekand canonical is hiring someone to do it? (so that i can tell the guy not to waste his time :) )03:02
mkdeyes, but I'm not sure about kubuntu03:02
robotgeekheh, okay03:03
robotgeekthanks mdke 03:03
mkdenp03:03
mkdedamn dapper has suddenly become all slow03:03
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mdkeah03:06
jjesseproblems?03:09
mdkeyeah, it's slow :(03:10
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bur[n] eris there a "meeting" tonight?04:15
bur[n] ermdke: htop? :)04:15
robotgeekhowdy bur[n] er 04:16
bur[n] erhi robotgeek 04:16
bur[n] ersorry I haven't been around... lotsa work... i gotta jet in a couple minutes again, but I plan on doc-writing this evening04:17
bur[n] erso yeah... I was reading the ML about voice via VOIP and a "doc sprint" which sounded cool :)04:17
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jjesseit would be nice, but there are still those that are on dial up :(04:19
jsgotangco:)04:19
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jsgotangcoi'll just post a meeting sched for next week04:19
jjessein #ubuntu-meeting04:19
jjesse?04:19
jsgotangcoyes04:19
jsgotangcoand also in this channel's topic04:19
bur[n] eri thought fridays were meeting days?04:20
jsgotangcobur[n] er, not every friday though04:20
jjesseevery other friday?04:20
bur[n] eroh04:20
jsgotangcobi-weekly is the correct term :)04:20
bur[n] erevery fortnight ;)04:20
jsgotangcomuch better04:20
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dTa-Aenigmacould anyone help with with regards to the installation of Ubuntu04:32
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robotgeekAeninga: ask in #ubuntu, this is not a support channel04:34
robotgeek:)04:34
Aeningasorry04:34
robotgeekit's ok04:34
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mdkejjesse, don't worry about dialup, as long as you have a telephone :)05:28
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jsgotangcoi gotta sleep05:31
jsgotangconight05:31
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mdkeBurgwork, shall we have separate animations for language selector and launchpad-integration/translate?09:34
Burgworksure, if we ahve time09:35
Burgworkwe need to prioritize what we want09:35
mdkesure09:35
mdkedo we want screensaver?09:35
Burgworkdon't think so09:35
mdkeok, i'll delete it09:36
Burgworkdon't delete it, put it into the "if we have time"09:36
BurgworkI think we absolutely need to talk about g-a-i09:37
Burgworkand the translations stuff09:37
mdkeoh sure09:37
mdkewhat stage is gai at in terms of its UI?09:37
Burgworklet me check with mvo09:38
mdkeok cool09:39
mdkeit crashes for me at the moment :) so animations might be tricky09:40
Burgworktell mvo about that09:40
Burgworkyes, seems to be stable now09:40
mdkei'll do an upgrade and file a bug if i see it again09:40
mdkei'll just boot into dapper and see if I can thinking of something for the fspot/flickr one09:45
jjessewhat is gai?09:46
Burgworkjjesse, add applications or gnome-app-install09:46
jjessehmm maybe i should take alook at what dapper ubuntu looks like :)09:47
Burgworkgai was shipped with breezy09:48
jjessei haven't looked at ubuntu since hoary09:49
mdkehmm, fspot isn't installed by default09:57
Burgworknope, because mono isn't09:57
mdkewill it be in for dapper?09:57
LaserJockmdke: I was wondering if in libs/global.ent it would be better to have the ubuntu-packages url be http://packages.ubuntu.com rather than http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy ?10:01
mdkeLaserJock, sounds good to me, go ahead and change it10:01
LaserJockmdke: ok10:02
mdkeLaserJock, btw, I made a slimmed down preface.xml for the desktopguide, feel free to check it out and copy if for the packaging guide, if you like it10:02
LaserJockmdke: ok, thanks for the heads up10:02
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jjessewow downloading from cdimage is sooooooo slow10:57
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mhzjdub: ping11:26

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