=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.59.120] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgee1 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.51.230] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jmarrero [n=jmarrero@66.231.167.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ sighs === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:12] I had expected that the big breakages are over now with the next version of (k)ubuntu drawing nearer. [09:28] Hmmm... looks like mephis is considering ubuntu as its base distribution. Maybe that will give some more weight to kubuntu as well. === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.126.120] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:02] :) [10:04] Any idea which package might have changed the sans-serif font in kde for one that is basically unreadable? [10:04] no idea [10:05] Or what else might have effected the font negatively since wednesday? [10:05] I have some font issues myself too === hunger has no idea what to file a bugreport on. === hunger thinks dapper is going downhill for the last two weeks. [10:06] I just hope the devs can fix all the issues they have broken till they release. [10:06] :/ [10:06] hunger: just wait , it's due to ttf-arphic-uming [10:06] freeflying: uming? [10:08] hunger: after today's upgrade ,it will affcet some other fonts [10:08] hunger: we are working on it now [10:08] jsgotangco: hi [10:08] freeflying, hi! [10:08] freeflying: also may fix xosd problem? [10:08] freeflying: What is uming? Or is that part of the fontname? [10:09] jsgotangco: how about korea fonts display [10:09] Tm_T: no [10:09] i still haven't updated today [10:09] hunger: is't a chinese font [10:09] Tm_T: xosd problem? The one with two windows popping up whenever an osd appears? [10:09] no, xosd as Xorg osd tools [10:09] freeflying: Oh. Why does that break my latin one? [10:09] osd_cat mainly [10:09] -f, --font=FONT Use font (default: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--*-*-*-*-c-*-*-* [10:10] travolta@HeviPoksi:~/temp$ echo laa | osd_cat [10:10] Error initializing osd: Default font not found [10:10] Tm_T: Damn:-( That is another problem that I have no idea of how to report that:-( [10:10] look, default font of Xorg tool is missing ;( [10:10] I consider this as major flaw [10:11] was just ok in breezy [10:11] Tm_T: Well, currently I would be happy if I could do basic stuff like startup and shutdown in dapper:-( [10:11] hehe [10:11] this change just make some latin fonts fuzzy [10:11] hunger: breakages? [10:12] plz have a look ar this post http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128080 [10:12] hunger: mepis URL? [10:12] whops, you woke sleeping bear! === Tm_T hides [10:12] Riddell: no more sleep, no more shutdown, that kind of stuff. [10:13] Riddell: I read about mephis here: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2584380705.html [10:14] Riddell: apparently mephis is a debian based kde distro. [10:14] it is indeed [10:14] freeflying: any idea what the fonts problem is, or should I just revert for now? [10:15] Riddell: got it , and working on it now , new patch will soon out [10:16] freeflying: great [10:19] jsgotangco: hi [10:19] jsgotangco: would u mind upgrade your system ,and have a test [10:19] mepis is really nice [10:19] hmm [10:19] i'll have to reboot though === jsgotangco is currently doing some work [10:20] freeflying: I can test. [10:21] jsgotangco: thx ,if you have time :0 [10:21] freeflying: If I manage to decypher the hyroglyphs I have on my screen at the moment that is;-) [10:22] hunger: decypher the hyroglyphs ? [10:22] freeflying: My fonts are really borked. [10:23] freeflying: Actually I switch to console since it is really hard to read stuff in X. [10:23] hunger: it will not broked, just made bold fuzzy . [10:24] freeflying: Yeap. I use bold almost everywhere and I looks like i which in turn looks like l now, etc. [10:25] hunger: we will solve that as quickly as we can , and sorry for that [10:25] freeflying: Thanks! [10:26] freeflying: And please do not get discouraged by my whining. All of you devs are doing great work! [10:26] freeflying: wanna test one thing? [10:26] hunger: :) [10:26] Tm_T: test for what ? [10:26] freeflying: It is just that I do not know what to bugreport on here, so I can not whine in the bugtracker;-) [10:27] freeflying: osd_cat, if it returns same error there [10:27] freeflying: to make sure it's not only here [10:27] freeflying: xosd-bin <- package containing osd_cat [10:28] and use it: echo foo | osd_cat [10:29] osd_cat works for me by the way. [10:31] Tm_T: no error given for me [10:35] freeflying: ok, utf-8? [10:35] Tm_T: y [10:36] ok, can you test with other locale? [10:36] like, LANG=en_GB echo foo | osd_cat [10:36] (dunno if that changes anything) [10:36] Tm_T: what locale you want test [10:37] any iso-8859- [10:37] 1 or 15 mainly [10:37] don't say I just happen to have missing font [10:38] that means reinstalling all font packages ;( [10:40] Tm_T: it can display english here , but chinese can't be displayed [10:41] freeflying: does osd_cat work? [10:41] Tm_T: it works [10:41] damn! [10:41] thanks, now I have to find out in what package that font is [10:42] Tm_T: u r welcome :) === MrFaber [n=MrFaber@84.56.247.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:48] hi all [10:48] I have a question according to the standard kubuntu kde theme. [10:49] If I install a new theme or change settings and want to set them back to standard everything looks different to the kubuntu standard skin and I have no clue how to set it back without resetting some configuraton files. Isn't it possible to ship kubuntu with a kde theme which can be easyly choosen under system settings? [10:49] Maybe I miss something which can reset it but I think it would be a good idea too. [10:50] MrFaber: yes, we should ship a .theme file [10:50] thanks [10:50] although we don't make the theme module easily choosable at the moment [10:50] I'll try and remember to poke tonio about that, he's doing the default settings stuff at the moment [10:50] many thanks [10:51] of course you can always just rm -r ~/.kde, but that's not always a good idea :) [10:51] yes, than all my settings are lost :-D [10:51] I have tried to set all settings back in menu but it looks completly different [10:52] than changed configuraition files and killed some kde parts [10:52] So I have to remove it and only recover important parts of my settings [10:52] like logs and so on [10:52] but for beginners it isn't that easy :-D [10:54] BTW does anyone knows why KDE sepparates a app config file from his app directory? [10:54] .kde/share/apps and .kde/share/config I think it would be easier if everything is in one directory [10:54] for recovery [10:55] MrFaber: no paticular reason that I know of but I think it makes things easier for us to customise, e.g. we only need one /etc/kde3 directory and one directory for /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/ [10:56] ok, that makes sense and if you know it it is no big deal [10:57] ok, thanks and cu all === MrFaber [n=MrFaber@84.56.247.39] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:03] freeflying: oh joy, 95 packages reinstalling, and I'm almost sure that doesn't fix my problem [11:05] Tm_T: hmm :0 [11:07] yup, but have to test [11:12] hi folks [11:13] Is it not a good idea to make update-apt a dependency of Adept? [11:13] without that adept-notifier has no function, because it doesnt know about new packages [11:14] adept-notifier does know that there are new packages [11:14] and lets you open adept-updater to download [11:15] although downloading the .debs nightly as an option might not be a bad idea, ready to install when the user wants [11:17] Riddell: currently that's an option with the cronjob, i think [11:17] Riddell: should work transparently with adept-* [11:17] maybe it should be configurable in the GUI though === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:39] Riddell: thansk for your answer, but when and how does adept-notifier check if there are new packages? [11:39] cause it always stays green at my place [11:40] jeroenvrp: mornfall will know the details [11:40] mornfall: ping [11:40] I imagine it's whenever apt-get update is run, which includes the nightly cron run [11:41] Riddell: let me see [11:42] Riddell: is that /etc/cron.daily/apt ? [11:43] looks about it [11:43] mmm when I run it standalone it doesn't do anything [11:47] jeroenvrp: you may have it disabled [11:47] ah wait it must be configured in the apt-config [11:47] i'm almost sure it's on by default though [11:47] hi mornfall [11:47] hi :) [11:48] APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists=1 [11:48] so 1 should be every day [11:48] Riddell: there is still the bug in k3bsetup2 [11:48] JRe: yep [11:48] JRe: it's not high priority for me, since k3b works out the box [11:49] mornfall: did you saw my wishlist item about a quick filte ron package name only? [11:49] Riddell: ok :) [11:50] jeroenvrp: seen, haven't decided what to do about it yet [11:50] Riddell: but every user will experience the bug since there is a dialog box showed if cdrdao is not executed as root [11:51] aye [11:51] JRe: then we'll remove that dialogue box :) [11:51] mornfall: ok, its the only option keeping me from switching to adept [11:51] Riddell: yeah but it's very bad to use cdrdao without root privileges ;) [11:52] one other thing Riddell [11:52] jeroenvrp: if you find a nice non-intrusive way to make it accessible, let me know :) [11:52] JRe: why? it's managed fine so far [11:52] actually it's managed without cdrdao at all [11:52] mornfall: a checkbox [11:52] with search in packagename only [11:53] Riddell: having cdrdao launched as root increase a lot the stability of the burning process because it became top priority over the other processes you have launched [11:53] or something like "package:" before the searcht term [11:53] or onlu p: [11:53] JRe: talk to pitti about it, he's the one who can decide if something is setuid [11:53] Riddell: ok [11:54] anyhow in breezy I had a checkbox when running kdesu, for remembering my password for a while - it's not in dapper [12:06] mornfall: the "APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists=1" - should that be listed when I do a "apt-config dump" ? [12:06] apparently, yes [12:06] it does not [12:06] listed for me [12:06] no entries for APT::Periodic: at al [12:07] let me do a dpkg-reconfigure [12:07] [NOTRASH] morn@lor-k-dapper/k3:~ -> apt-config dump | grep Period | grep Lists [12:07] APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; [12:08] i've updated dapper directly from breezy [12:08] so have i [12:08] no results for dpkg-reconfigure apt [12:09] it was default with breezy too [12:09] and i think i updated that from hoary [12:09] my fist kubuntu install was breezy RC === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:15] owns, tests summary: exceptions:1 failures:9 warnings:0 ok:136 [12:16] finally, got airport extreme working on my laptop with dhcp [12:18] 13:12 < andred> for dapper: deb http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete/dapper / [12:18] 13:12 < andred> for breezy: deb http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete/breezy / [12:19] breezy package(s) of Kopete 0.12 alpha available [12:22] freeflying: no, reinstalling fonts doesn't help ;( [12:23] Tm_T: still on working , you may configure it manually === andred [i=bnc@62.75.169.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:24] freeflying: configure what? [12:24] Tm_T: use conf here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8478 replace the content in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ttf-arphic-uming [12:24] :o [12:25] hello [12:25] hello andred [12:26] freeflying: there wasn't that name of file yet [12:26] travolta@HeviPoksi:~/temp$ echo "laa foo fii foo" | ~/xosd-blue [12:26] Error initializing osd: Default font not found [12:26] ;( [12:26] Tm_T: then you have not installed ttf-arphic-uming [12:27] true, installing [12:27] you think that might help? [12:27] Tm_T: that's not my fault then :) [12:27] hehe === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:29] ji all [12:29] s/ji/hi [12:30] :) [12:30] Tonio_: ji to you too [12:30] jow are you? [12:30] haha [12:30] fine ;) I have lots of kubuntu stuff today........ let's go ! [12:31] hi Tonio_ [12:31] hello freeflying [12:39] freeflying: still same errors ;( [12:39] Tm_T: it can works here with en_US en_GB locale [12:41] hmh [12:41] and I don't get osd_cat working in any way === Czessi [n=Czessi@84.59.10.54] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=Harald@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] mornfall: I've asked two other users and they also have not : APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; in the config [01:19] interesting [01:19] hah jeroenvrp [01:20] i can try it on a breezy box too? [01:20] yes please robotgeek [01:20] mornfall: we also have no apt.conf file [01:20] only the apt.conf.d folder [01:21] yeah, it it present in breezy [01:21] jeroenvrp: i'd say that's ok [01:22] mornfall: so where does it oput its defaults [01:22] robotgeek: in breezy, thats what I thought [01:23] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-01-25 06:25 update-stamp [01:23] jeroen@k-uptown:/var/lib/apt/periodic$ [01:23] the 25th [01:24] ans I've updated to dapper this monday [01:24] or tuesday [01:24] i have a fresh installl [01:24] robotgeek: I've updated from breezy [01:25] jeroenvrp: hmm, maybe i should run apt-config again [01:25] robotgeek: what you mean [01:25] apt-config shell ? [01:26] jeroenvrp: i got confused, with apt-setup [01:26] robotgeek: apt-setup is not on my system [01:27] jeroenvrp: it's on breezy, not on dapper :) [01:27] aha [01:27] normally it should be in base-config, i've read [01:28] but that is not installed and if I try it want to uninstall a lot of things, incl language packs [01:29] i think it will install it back, i can try it for you [01:29] apparently not === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek wonders why base-config conflicts with locales [01:30] The following packages will be REMOVED: [01:30] belocs-locales-bin j2re1.4 j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin kde-i18n-nl language-pack-en [01:30] language-pack-en-base language-pack-gnome-nl language-pack-gnome-nl-base language-pack-kde-en [01:30] language-pack-kde-en-base language-pack-kde-nl language-pack-kde-nl-base language-pack-nl [01:30] language-pack-nl-base locales ubuntu-base ubuntu-minimal [01:30] oeps [01:30] sorry [01:31] and java [01:31] jeroenvrp: yes, i found that out :). i don't have the rest of the stuff installed [01:32] this is a ubunti thing , lets ask there [01:34] jeroenvrp: i'm going to bed, later :) [01:35] good night or whatever time of the day === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@84.59.10.54] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5396.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.126.120] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] mornfall: I've put the Update-Package-Lists "1"; in a new /etc/apt/apt.conf and now /wtc/cron.daily/apt works great [02:22] just to let you know [02:22] :-) [02:22] so still strange that the apt defaults are not generated === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=Harald@N723P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bert_ [n=bert@202-136-109-65.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:15] anyone got KLik to work in KDE 3.5.1? [03:16] bert_ Whatfor? We got apt. [03:18] Klik runs a program without installing it, doesn't put any thing on the hard drive, good for checking out programs before they are installed. [03:18] bert_: Yes, I know. [03:19] bert_: I just do not like the idea of my users installing stuff. [03:20] yes, they aren ot really installing anything, but they mess up the loop devices and run software of dubious origins. === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] The programs are maintained on the Klik site [03:22] bert_: Sorry, I just do not like the idea of users running apps downloaded from somewhere. And I do not like the hack klick uses to bring about the easy of use it has. [03:23] bert_: But that is just by personal oppinion.... I have not heared of anybody using this in kubuntu. [03:24] Did you try running it? [03:24] What was the error you had? Maybe I can help getting it set up? [03:25] Yes, but it doesn't run the program I tries to load [03:25] bert_: Did you try running it in a terminal? Maybe you get more informatinons about what goes wrong there. [03:27] bert_: Are there other users on your system? [03:27] No only me [03:28] Its a home computer [03:28] bert_: Good, then nobody else is using your loopback devices:-) [03:29] On the Klik site they mention 'is your kernel cramfs enabled? [03:29] bert_: You are not using all loopdevs yourself, are you? (i.e. by running other klick apps). [03:30] No [03:30] They say to use to check zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CRAM [03:31] Should return: CONFIG_CRAMFS=m [03:31] or CONFIG_CRAMFS=y [03:32] mine doesn't [03:33] bert_: Then you do not have the filesystem used in the klik image:-( [03:34] bert_: You are not using a ubuntu-kernel/ [03:34] bert_: those have no /proc/config.gz:-) [03:35] bert_: Get a ubuntu kernel. That has cramfs built in. (see /boot/config-kernelversion) [03:36] Installed Kubuntu 5.10 fron CD I downloaded, then updated KDE to 3.5, then to 3.5.1 over the internet [03:37] bert_: I am running dapper. That kenel definitly has cramfs. (cat boot/config-YOURKERNEL | grep CRAM ) [03:38] Make that /boot/config-YOURKERNEL [03:45] Thanks, Hunger for your help, I will leave Klik for the time being, thought it might be interesting, got to go to bed now, bye. [03:46] bert_: You are welcome. [04:35] yop Tonio_ [04:53] Riddell: kde 3.5.1 is supposed to be a bug fix right? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying is away: go to bed . night all! === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:05] Riddell: honnestly, we don't want to release such a horrible version of KDE in Dapper [05:05] Riddell: there are more bugs in 3.5.1 than in 3.5 [05:06] raphink: Which? [05:06] And it's not only about numbers, but also about severity. [05:06] sebas: severe bugs, or quite [05:06] sebas: kmail is not integrated in kdepim [05:06] 3.5.1 runs fine here, actually. [05:07] kxkb doesn't let select layouts anymore [05:07] Less crashes than 3.5.0 anyway. [05:07] ok a few tests sebas [05:07] sebas: drag a file on your desktop and look at the mouse [05:07] this is not a severe bug, yet I don't think it was in 3.5 === sebas tries. [05:08] sebas: the mouse becomes black [05:08] Nothing strange, what do you get? [05:08] a black cursor instead of the hand [05:08] No, hand, from the theme I chose. === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:08] ok [05:08] sebas: 3.5.1 on dapper or breezy? [05:08] Which theme do you use? [05:08] Dapper here. [05:08] ok good [05:09] i'll check with dapper then [05:09] ;) [05:09] in breezy it's all buggy [05:09] terrible [05:09] I've breezy here aswell, but didn't notice such thing. [05:09] I'd need to reboot, though I'd rather not :> [05:09] ok let's try something else [05:09] raphink: kde3.5.1 works better than 3.5.0 in dapper [05:09] sebas: open the keyboard selector in kcontrol [05:10] do you hve the list of available layouts? [05:10] Nope. empty. [05:10] That [05:10] yep, I consider that a major bug [05:10] 's quite serious, though. [05:11] then [05:11] another one [05:11] open kontact [05:11] create a new email [05:11] It's open :) [05:11] enter an adress in the recipient field [05:11] then, without closing the message, go to the kaddressbook section in kontact [05:11] then quit [05:11] and you'll lose all your contacts [05:11] you just lose your contact list in .kde [05:12] major, too [05:12] Eeh, you don't want to screw me, right? :P [05:12] Don't make me loose data while testing, at least *warn* me before... [05:12] another funny one: kmail doen't work with kdepim anymore [05:13] How do you mean? [05:13] you can't use filters to select contacts in an email [05:13] and stuff like that [05:13] you can only choose from the contacts kmail remember [05:13] but have no access to your kaddressbook ones [05:13] Are those reported upstream, btw? [05:13] this one is [05:13] I did report it [05:13] the one that deletes the address book I reported in 3.5 [05:13] quite a long time ago [05:14] it's not fixed,although it's major [05:14] the kxkb one was added in 3.5.1 [05:14] for such a small app as kxkb, there is a 34kb diff in the source [05:14] between 3.5 and 3.5.1 [05:14] I don't call that a bug fixing release [05:14] there are whole new functions added [05:15] things recoded [05:15] I've got a hard time thinking kde 3.5.1 could be the default one in dapper [05:15] with such big issues around [05:15] Well, there's always local patches. ... [05:16] KDE 3.5.0 has serious issues aswell. [05:16] yes sebas === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:16] but I think I don't understand what the KDE team means by bug fixing [05:16] also, I report quite a lot to the KDE bts but it's such a mess that I get tired of it [05:16] You should raise that on kde-core-devel then. [05:17] does the KDE team really want to do a bug fixing release some time? [05:17] it doesn't seem so [05:17] I don't like gnome much, but at least when they say they fix things, they do [05:17] Eeh, really, I'm not the one who can help you there. [05:17] yes I know sebas [05:17] just expressing my deception [05:18] Nah, GNOME has *nothing* to do with it, and with that kind of argumentation, you'll get nowhere. === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:18] Well, get an svn account, fix things, that's the way to go. [05:18] KDE needs to focus on bug fixing in kde 3.5 that's my point [05:18] 3.5 is released, and 4 is the new dev version [05:18] I'm not a c++ dev [05:19] :( [05:19] And don't forget ... about half of the problems you have are fixed in dapper, so it's not all that bad. [05:19] hmm [05:20] I can reproduce one yet, and didn't try one of your issues since I don't want possible dataloss. [05:20] Then get someone to fix it for you, that's the way it goes. [05:20] Complaining doesn't help as long as people don't have time. [05:21] It's not like someone is obliged to fix it for you. [05:21] yes I knwo sebas, I'm the first one to say that to people who complain and do nothing [05:21] Ok, are those problems still there in current svn then? [05:22] I shall install current svn to check I guess [05:22] You can hardly complain about a version that is a) not officially supported, b) when you didn't check if it's changed. [05:22] code freeze for 3.5.1 was about a month ago... [05:22] mhm [05:22] yes I know [05:23] Maybe stuff is fixed, then you can search the svnlog and propose to include some patch in dapper. [05:23] I'll check for diff in the svn [05:23] Ok :) === sebas tries to do some hacking now. [05:25] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [05:25] sebas: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/ [05:25] can you find kxkb there? [05:25] I can't :s [05:25] but it's there http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/?rev=454225 [05:25] :s [05:25] I don't get it :s [05:25] the xkb stuff just needs a directory changed [05:25] you can add a symlink [05:26]