[02:34] <andrewski> hello.  i'm trying to report a bug for ubuntu, but i'm not sure which package it should go under, and clicking on "choose package" gives me an error.  (i already reported a bug on that.)  does anyone know the generic package name to file bugs under?
[04:45] <purserj> Umm, I'm sure its a known problem but for the last couple of days when I've gone to file a bug and hit the Choose link it returns an error
[09:24] <sivang> morning all
[11:04] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh]  add incoming email interface to the support tracker, making it possible to add comments via email. (r3127: Bjorn Tillenius)
[11:04] <sivang> wohoo BjornT_ 
[11:05] <sivang> BjornT_: can it now send email notification to team's MLs when a new support request is filed?
[11:06] <BjornT_> sivang: not yet, but it will be possible soon.
[11:07] <sivang> BjornT_: so for now, only incoming email interface. kool
[11:09] <BjornT_> sivang: actually, there is outgoing email as well, but the notification is sent only to subscribers. so the only thing left is to add so that teams can be automatically subscribed to new tickets, just as is done for bugs.
[11:11] <sivang> BjornT_: ah, I see. so it's almost finished. That is problably something stub has to add in the DB?
[11:13] <BjornT_> sivang: no, it's something i have to add UI for :), well there are some db changes as well involved, but stub only has to approve the db-patch.
[11:14] <sivang> BjornT_: okay, thanks for the elaboration :)
[11:28] <ulinskie> hello got a problem
[11:28] <ulinskie> hello can anybody help me regarding the changing the theme in the wiki thru UserPreferences, mine always says password does not match even if it is already correct
[11:29] <ulinskie> I have already reset the password and did it again but still failure with my attempt
[11:29] <ulinskie> did I miss any step along the way?
[11:30] <mdke> ulinskie, does your browser remember the password and insert it automatically for the UserPreferences page?
[11:31] <mdke> if so, delete that and tell it not to
[11:31] <ulinskie> yes it does.. but I already cleared the password settingin firefox
[11:32] <mdke> and it still happens?
[11:33] <mdke> if you tell firefox not to insert the password, it should be ok
[11:35] <ulinskie> hmm did that but still not working
[11:37] <mdke> odd
[11:37] <mdke> perhaps one of the LP admins can check your password, if there is one around
[11:40] <ulinskie> mdke, yeah, I've been trying this for 3 weeks now
[11:40] <BjornT_> ulinskie: did you enter your password in the password field?
[11:40] <ulinskie> I am thinking of creating another account in lp just to check out if the problem works only in my account
[11:40] <ulinskie> BjornT_, yes sir
[11:40] <mdke> ulinskie, try clearing all your cookies/cache/saved passwords (or using a different browser)
[11:41] <ulinskie> mdke, I did that too and even used IE 
[11:41] <mdke> gosh that is a drastic measure
[11:41] <mdke> ok, must be a LP problem I guess
[11:41] <BjornT_> ulinskie: ok, don't do that ;) you should leave the password field empty, it's a known bug.
[11:42] <ulinskie> BjornT_, oic..
[11:42] <ulinskie> BjornT_, have there been other cases like this?
[11:43] <BjornT_> ulinskie: yes, you're not the first one. bug 3987 is about this problem.
[11:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3987 in launchpad "Launchpad wiki UserPreferences causes mismatched passwords" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3987
[11:43] <ulinskie> Ubugtu, thanks
[11:44] <jsgotangco> its a bot :)
[11:46] <ulinskie> jsgotangco, hehe... 
[11:48] <mdke> oh nice catch
[11:56] <ulinskie> thanks
[11:56] <ulinskie> gtg
[12:04] <rob> hi, something odd is going on with my launchpad accound
[12:05] <rob> I had it all set up, I've signed the Code of Conduct, am a ubuntero etc, but none of it is showing up
[12:05] <rob> I wonder if I have more then one account?
[12:07] <rob> hmm looks like I do
[12:09] <rob> for some odd reason I also have one for my @ubuntu.com email address
[12:09] <rob> and its all messed up
[12:15] <BjornT_> rob: you can merge the two accounts
[12:15] <rob> how?
[12:16] <BjornT_> rob: log in with the account you want to keep, then go to https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge and follow the instructions.
[12:18] <rob> hmm, some error in the search page
[12:18] <rob> OOPS-42B357
[12:18] <Ubugtu> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/42B357
[12:18] <rob> ?
[12:22] <BjornT_> rob: hmm, your search probably timed out. enter the email address directly and see if that works.
[12:22] <rob> OOPS-42D403
[12:22] <Ubugtu> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/42D403
[12:22] <rob> I got that one when adding the email address for the other account
[12:23] <rob> does that thing above mean thats its been reported already?
[12:24] <BjornT_> hmm, the one to talk to is salgado. matsubara, do you know if salgado is coming in today?
[12:24] <matsubara> BjornT_: no, he's not coming
[12:26] <BjornT_> rob: if you're referring to what Ubugtu says, it's just a way for us to easily get a more detailed report of the error. although, i think this has been reported before.
[12:26] <rob> I thought that might be the case, I'll hold off reporting it in that case
[01:07] <kiko> good morning 
[01:12] <kiko> mdz, still up?
[01:13] <matsubara> BjornT_: Is it possible to mark a dupe using the malone email interface?
[01:13] <matsubara> kiko: morning
[01:27] <matsubara> kiko: can I reject bug 31138?
[01:27] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31138 in malone "Apply Ubuntu Scheme to Launchpad.net" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31138
[01:28] <kiko> matsubara, well, even brown would be better than blue..
[01:29] <matsubara> isn't launchpad supposed to be distribution agnostic?
[01:30] <kiko> indeed it is
[01:31] <matsubara> kiko: applying ubuntu scheme to launchpad would reinforce the idea that launchpad is a ubuntu thing.
[01:31] <matsubara> s/ubuntu/ubuntu only/
[01:31] <kiko> maybe. 
[01:31] <kiko> I don't think it is worth rejecting off the bat yet
[01:32] <matsubara> kiko: ok, I'll confirm, change it to launchpad wishlist and assign to mpt then. He'll know how to properly answer. what do you think?
[01:32] <kiko> sounds good
[01:43] <BjornT_> matsubara: no, it's not possible to mark dupes using the email interface yet. it will be possible in the future, though, just have to find time to do it. or you want it badly, feel free to take on bug 5190 :)
[01:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 5190 in malone "Malone Email UI Should Support "duplicate" Command" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5190
[02:10] <kiko> uhm
[02:10] <kiko> has anyone ever noticed how many queries we issue here:
[02:10] <kiko> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/2006-02-09/A547
[02:10] <kiko> -- ?
[02:10] <kiko> SteveA, you should take a look at that.
[02:56] <sivang> hi people, kiko  matsubara 
[02:56] <kiko> hey sivang 
[03:00] <matsubara> hi sivang 
[03:22] <Martolod> hello everybody !
[03:22] <Martolod> is there an admin here ?
[03:24] <SteveA> BjornT_: hi
[03:24] <kiko> hey Martolod -- what's up?
[03:24] <kiko> hey steve
[03:24] <BjornT_> hi SteveA 
[03:24] <SteveA> BjornT_: about mark's query, what are we doing about allowing people to file bugs via email without being gpg signed?
[03:24] <SteveA> kiko: what do you think?
[03:25] <SteveA> I think we should allow that, and I'd like to be able to tell mark that it is underway.  But I want to hear what you think first.
[03:25] <kiko> I don't know
[03:25] <kiko> and I honestly don't care very much
[03:25] <kiko> I think we have larger fish to fry
[03:25] <kiko> if you think it should be allowed, go for it
[03:26] <kiko> if we get spammed or impersonation occurs we can reconsider
[03:26] <SteveA> okay
[03:26] <SteveA> BjornT_: your opinion?
[03:27] <SteveMyers-Debug> morning guys/gals
[03:28] <BjornT_> kiko: yes, i reply to kiko's mail saying that we should allow it.
[03:28] <SteveA> ok
[03:28] <SteveA> i'll reply to you and mark
[03:28] <kiko> cool.
[03:28] <kiko> mark mailbombed us overnight
[03:36] <Martolod> kiko, hello
[03:38] <Martolod> kiko, i would like to create a "Breton team translation" in the gnome translation project
[03:38] <kiko> Martolod, you should talk to carlos or jordi, or use the rosetta-users mailing list.
[03:39] <Martolod> here : https://launchpad.net/rosetta/groups/gnome-translation-project/
[03:39] <Martolod> ok
[03:39] <Martolod> Are you here jordi ?
[03:51] <kiko> probably not -- the mailing list is your surest bet during the weekend, Martolod 
[03:51] <Martolod> kiko, it's not urgent ;)
[03:51] <kiko> that's okay -- but if you don't email, it will probably NEVER get done :)
[03:52] <SteveMyers-Debug> anyone got an idea on how long it takes to build the deb debug for the linux kernel ?
[03:52] <kiko> SteveMyers-Debug, build the deb debug?
[03:52] <Martolod> kiko, i will do it
[03:53] <SteveMyers-Debug> deb_build for debugging the program
[03:53] <SteveMyers-Debug> sorry just woke up
[03:53] <kiko> SteveMyers-Debug, sounds like a #ubuntu-devel problem :)
[03:53] <SteveMyers-Debug> hehe
[03:54] <SteveMyers-Debug> I'm debugging it, but it's going longer than I expected
[03:54] <SteveMyers-Debug> thanks for the channel kiko
[04:05] <andrewski_> i'm trying to sign the ubuntu code of conduct, but i'm getting an error: "str: no public key."  i followed the instructions on setting that up on the ubuntu wiki; does anyone have ideas what i missed?  (i can paste the output of gpg --clearsign if that would help.)
[04:05] <kiko> andrewski_, has your public key been pushed to a keyserver?
[04:06] <kiko> andrewski_, if so, has it been recently altered and then repushed?
[04:06] <kiko> if so, has it been recently pushed?
[04:06] <kiko> if not, could you push it, wait 30 minutes, and retry?
[04:06] <andrewski_> kiko: hmm, good question.  i did push it to the ubuntu keyserver, but i just noticed that 'gpg --fingerprint' prints two public keys, so maybe that's it?
[04:06] <andrewski_> (i have no idea how two got there.)
[04:06] <kiko> what is your key id?
[04:07] <andrewski_> that's the 8 digit one?
[04:07] <kiko> that should suffice
[04:07] <andrewski_> one is C562D424, the other 84AE0EC0.
[04:12] <kiko> andrewski_, the first one is not in they keyservers
[04:12] <kiko> the second one is
[04:12] <kiko> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x84AE0EC0
[04:14] <kiko> andrewski_, is 931E 54F7 FE0A A02F 157E  C7CF 7C20 CB2E 84AE 0EC0 what you pasted into the form?
[04:14] <kiko> and also
[04:14] <kiko> oh
[04:15] <kiko> is your key not registered in launchpad?
[04:20] <andrewski_> kiko: h/o, i'll check.
[04:21] <kiko> cool
[04:21] <kiko> I need to skip out but either follow up to launchpad-users or bug SteveA 
[04:21] <andrewski_> hmm, did i paste the wrong thing?  i pasted 1024D/84AE0EC0
[04:22] <kiko> where?
[04:22] <andrewski_> it's listed as a valid key in launchpad
[04:24] <SteveA> hi andrewski_ 
[04:24] <SteveA> i'll read up the scrollback
[04:24] <andrewski_> hi SteveA :)
[04:26] <SteveA> andrewski_: what can i help with?
[04:26] <SteveA> you have a gpg key listed in launchpad
[04:26] <SteveA> and on the keyservers?
[04:27] <andrewski_> SteveA: that's good; i'm not sure if it's on the keyservers or not, but it is in launchpad.
[04:28] <andrewski_> ultimately, i was just trying to sign the code of conduct, but it says "no public key".
[04:29] <SteveA> have you done gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys 84AE0EC0  ?
[04:29] <andrewski_> yeah, a few days ago.
[04:29] <andrewski_> should i do it again?
[04:31] <SteveA> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x84AE0EC0
[04:31] <SteveA> it is there
[04:31] <andrewski_> oh, cool.  (didn't know you could do that. :)
[04:31] <SteveA> are you sure you're signing the CoC with that exact key?
[04:32] <andrewski_> no; i have two listed when i do 'gpg --fingerprint'; i'm not sure how the second one got there, but i only need one.
[04:32] <SteveA> what command are you using to sign the CoC ?
[04:33] <andrewski_> gpg --clearsign
[04:33] <SteveA> the full command?
[04:33] <andrewski_> gpg --clearsign Desktop/UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.0.txt
[04:33] <SteveA> ok
[04:34] <andrewski_> shall i paste the .asc file?
[04:34] <SteveA> when you do gpg -K, do you get one or two keys back?
[04:34] <andrewski_> two
[04:34] <SteveA> ok
[04:34] <andrewski_> is it possible to get rid of one?
[04:34] <SteveA> so you have two secret keys there
[04:34] <SteveA> if you're sure you want to
[04:35] <SteveA> have you used gpg for signing or encrypting anything else?
[04:35] <SteveA> or has anyone else sent you stuff gpg encrypted?
[04:35] <andrewski_> no, they're dated for the feb 7 and 8. :)
[04:35] <andrewski_> maybe i forgot that i had already done it? ^_^
[04:35] <SteveA> ok, do like this
[04:36] <SteveA> gpg --edit-key 84AE0EC0
[04:36] <SteveA> you will be at a prompt like ">"
[04:36] <SteveA> you're editing your main key here
[04:36] <andrewski_> ok
[04:36] <andrewski_> :P
[04:37] <SteveA> ok
[04:37] <SteveA> ctrl+d to quit that
[04:37] <SteveA> we'll do this instead...
[04:37] <andrewski_> ok
[04:37] <SteveA> vim ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[04:37] <SteveA> or
[04:37] <SteveA> whatever editor you prefer
[04:38] <andrewski_> vim's good. ;)
[04:38] <SteveA> what do you have in that file
[04:38] <SteveA> ?
[04:38] <andrewski_> plenty
[04:38] <andrewski_> lots of commented stuff.
[04:38] <SteveA> do you have a line saying default-key that is not commented out?
[04:38] <andrewski_> no, that line is commented too.
[04:38] <SteveA> ok
[04:39] <SteveA> so uncomment it so that it becomes
[04:39] <SteveA> default-key 84AE0EC0
[04:39] <SteveA> oh, hang on...
[04:39] <SteveA> yes
[04:39] <SteveA> that's right
[04:39] <andrewski_> ok, one sec.
[04:40] <andrewski_> ok... now resign the code of conduct?
[04:40] <SteveA> yes, try that
[04:40] <SteveA> it should use the key you want now
[04:41] <andrewski_> aha!  that did it!
[04:43] <SteveA> great
[04:44] <andrewski_> and i can just delsig in the interactive editor to delete the other key?
[04:44] <SteveA> i don't know
[04:44] <andrewski_> ok, looks that way from the manpage.
[04:44] <SteveA> i try not to advise people on how to delete stuff, other than to tell them to keep backups"!
[04:44] <andrewski_> yeah, i think i'll back it up first, just in case. :)
[04:45] <andrewski_> in any case, thanks for the help.
[05:10] <mdke> duplicate bugs don't get their status changed when the bug they are duplicates of is fixed?
[05:11] <SteveA> i duplicate is considered closed
[05:11] <mdke> shouldn't it be marked as rejected then?
[05:11] <mdke> as it is, when I mark a bug as a duplicate, it remains open
[05:12] <mdke> at least the status doesn't change
[05:12] <SteveA> i'm confused now
[05:12] <SteveA> can you mail launchpad-users about this?
[05:13] <SteveA> at the very least, we probably want to clean up the UI, if not the underlying model
[05:13] <mdke> yes, ok
[05:15] <SteveA> thanks
[05:15] <SteveA> aha
[05:15] <SteveA> wrong window
[05:16] <SteveA> i meant to "aha" somewhere else
[05:16] <sivang> SteveA: did you get my last PM before you disconnected? sorry if it was too long ...
[05:17] <SteveA> sivang: maybe not.  i was having a problem where 1/3 of my screen was covered in what i later found out is some kind of mutant model firefox window
[05:17] <SteveA> caused by having a basic auth pop-up on a different virtual desktop
[05:18] <sivang> mutant model firefox windows...YOu need to bug Diziet :)
[05:18] <SteveA> who is Diziet?
[05:18] <sivang> iwj - Ian Jackons :)
[05:18] <sivang> Sorry, he's usually logged using iwj in here, and Diziet on the distro channel
[05:19] <SteveA> if i can reproduce it, i will
[05:19] <sivang> are you dapper y any chance?
[05:19] <SteveA> i think it was a freak occurence
[05:19] <SteveA> no, still breezy
[05:19] <SteveA> the fix is for firefox to have pages, not dialogs
[05:19] <SteveA> i believe there's a mode or patch or plugin for it
[05:20] <sivang> ah, in dapper I already get those - minus the SSL cert approval
[05:20] <sivang> everything else, 404s, etc are pages now instead of pop ups
[05:25] <sivang> SteveA: would you like a repaste of what I PM'd you? 
[05:26] <SteveA> assume i didn't receive it when you sent it.  if it's still important, then okay
[05:26] <sivang> SteveA: okay, let' shope it's not too much waste of bits :)
[06:36] <BjornT_> mdke: re duplicate bugs. you might want to look at bug 3796 and https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DuplicateBugHandling
[06:36] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3796 in malone "Duplicated bugs still show up as New in a list of bugs (also affects the Latest bugs portlet)" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3796
[07:17] <matsubara> SteveA: around?
[07:50] <SteveA> matsubara: hi
[07:50] <matsubara> hi SteveA, could you review a patch to bug 2496?
[07:50] <Ubugtu> malone bug 2496 in launchpad "Launchpad blows up if you try to use non-ascii characters in your password" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2496
[07:57] <SteveA> ok
[07:58] <matsubara> SteveA: I'll send it to you.
[07:59] <matsubara> SteveA: sent.
[08:03] <SteveA> matsubara: we need to use a specific str.encode() kind of thing, rather than str(), as str() will guess the encoding based on the system default of iso-latin1
[08:03] <SteveA> so, it is allowing latin1 characters through, i expect
[08:03] <SteveA> which will be confusing
[08:04] <SteveA> but also
[08:04] <SteveA> rather than adding try-except in many places, add a function to lib/canonical/encoding.py
[08:05] <SteveA> this function will return a boolean
[08:05] <SteveA> something like is_plain_ascii(some_string)
[08:06] <SteveA> and this would have its own inline doctest
[08:08] <matsubara> SteveA: ok
[08:35] <matsubara> SteveA:  why when I do this: ''.encode('ascii') it raises a UnicodeDecodeError instead of a UnicodeEncodeError?
[08:54] <phiber_optic> is there a way to delete an account?
[09:36] <AlinuxOS> hello, I have a question: how can I see .po files statistics...? I mean translated fuzzy etc etc?
[09:57] <SteveA> matsubara: compare ''.encode and u''.encode
[09:57] <SteveA> matsubara: the first is a method on str, the second is a method on unicode
[09:58] <SteveA> if you try to encode from ''.encode('ascii'), first of all python needs not a str but a unicode to work with
[09:59] <SteveA> so it does unicode('')
[09:59] <SteveA> which gives you the UnicodeDecodeError that you're seeing
[09:59] <SteveA> this is an area where Python tries to pretend that str and unicode are the same, and implicitly fudges over it
[10:00] <SteveA> but, as you can see, this causes confusion and problems when you have literal strings that aren't pure ascii
[10:00] <SteveA> in launchpad, and in zope3 in general, we try to be much more careful about the distinction between str and unicode
[10:00] <SteveA> so, the functions in canonical.encoding will take either a str or a unicode, but not both
[10:00] <SteveA> and they will emit always unicode or always str
[10:02] <matsubara> well, I have the changes you suggested. Wanna take a look?
[10:03] <matsubara> SteveA: also, the canonical.encoding has a function commented on it, should I get rid of it ?
[10:03] <SteveA> matsubara: did someone leave a comment saying why it is commented out?
[10:03] <SteveA> matsubara: i'm pretty tired, so not at my best to focus on code.  can you mail it to me, and i'll look tomorrow?
[10:04] <matsubara> SteveA: ok, i'll mail to you. and no, there's no reason why the code is commented out.
[10:04] <SteveA> ok
[10:04] <SteveA> maybe use bzr annotate to find out who did it?
[10:05] <SteveA> i'll review your code tomorrow
[10:06] <matsubara> SteveA: ok, thanks.
[10:18] <sivang> night SteveA :)
[10:51] <elmo> NOTICE: launchpad and other Canonical hosted services are going down in 10 minutes, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000049.html for more details
[10:51] <mdke_> good luck elmo 
[11:49] <SteveMyers> hmm, site down or is it just me?
[11:49] <SteveMyers> getting a directory list here
[11:57] <lifeless> mm
[11:58] <lifeless> let me see
[11:58] <lifeless> ah
[11:58] <lifeless> datacentre maintenance
[12:00] <SteveMyers> oh ok