=== j^ [n=j@e178000167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock_away is now known as LaserJock === storm [i=joel@201.21.208.85] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cogumbreiro [n=tiago@81.20.250.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] does anyone know how to update the update the filetype database (under gnome)? [12:33] i've installed my application which registers MimeType=audio/x-scpls;audio/x-mpegurl; [12:33] but I see no association in nautilus === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-72-118.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@port161-160.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iBalo [n=user@dslc-213-023-133-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-37-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iBalo_ [n=user@dslc-213-023-140-118.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.59.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@83.176.110.216] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@250-22.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-217.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] n8 === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["leaving..] === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iBalo [n=user@dslc-213-023-139-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] hmm. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] heylo === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c208126.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] I'm going to install isapnptools. Once I do that, how will I use it to make Ubuntu use my ISA ethernet adapter? === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487D6B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] anyone here use evolution? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-37-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@200216028220.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lemsto [n=salim@ANantes-154-1-8-58.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.51.230] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-152-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@68.205.161.54] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] n/c === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@24-52-41-197.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] okay guys [04:57] look [04:57] im not a coder [04:58] but i really need to talk to the grandpoobah's currently in this channel about updates that were offered as of yesterday to dapper users yesterday... [04:58] because it did something rather amazing [04:58] it enabled kde and gnome to be running simultaneously [04:58] ive got gnome up top, and the kde panel at the bottom [04:59] and i didnt request my machine to do so as far as i cvan tell [04:59] i didnt even think such a thing was possible === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-32-87.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] I'm going to install isapnptools. Once I do that, how will I use it to make Ubuntu use my ISA ethernet adapter? === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-152-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@ip68-229-118-192.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] shadeofgrey and Drac[Server] : this really isn't a support channel [05:27] no i know that [05:27] shadeofgrey: I would look in the gnome sessions and see if the kde panel is in there [05:27] im just trying to terll you that something in the update packages from yesterday did something unspeakable to my machine [05:27] how do i turn off kde? [05:28] i mean, i need some of it because i run k3b [05:28] but ive never had to use the whole window manager and panel system before [05:28] I don't think you have all of kde on, just the panel [05:28] and id really like to turn it off if its possible [05:28] LaserJock, I know, but nobody in the actual support channel knows a goddamned thing about isapnptools. [05:29] Drac[Server] : have you searched wiki.ubuntu.com and the ubuntu forums? [05:30] shadeofgrey: so go into something like System->Preferences->Sessions and look for kde apps [05:32] okay [05:32] see [05:32] thats all i neededto know [05:32] and i couldnt get any hgelp out of the people in thd support channel [05:32] because all the good guys and girls have gone to bed [05:32] now the channels just flooded with people that need help and cant get any a this hour [05:33] shadeofgrey: I understand , I get a headache every time I try to go over there [05:33] shadeofgrey: and when things are truly broken, use the launchpad to report the bugs. [05:34] i dont know what the launchpad is [05:34] or how touse it [05:35] the problem with the suppoort chaneel in my unhumble opinion is that EVERYBODY wants help right away [05:35] LaserJock, I hadn't thought of the forums. There seems to be something quite similar, here. I'll see if it does the trick. [05:35] shadeofgrey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs [05:35] and less than 10-% of the people are willing to be polite, patient, and wait their turn [05:35] Drac[Server] : another secret tool that none of developers tell the users about is google.com asking it got me to here, which might help? http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/isapnpfaq.html [05:38] thankjs guys [05:38] i fixed it [05:39] lakin, I don't need help with isapnptools. I just need help getting it to see the card, which it doesn't. pnpdump returns "No boards found" and such. [05:41] listen... before i go i just wanted to say thanks for everything you guys do [05:41] without you ubuntu wouldnt exist and id be stuck with windows [05:42] "I don't need with isapnptools. I just need help getting it to ... " your definition of needing help with a package is obviously completely differen than mine. === Toma- [n=haste@203-59-165-126.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] is dapper going to have easier removal of meta-packages...? or is that a question i should direct to the apt team? for instance, some newbie just asked of a way to remove kubuntu-desktop and all its packages, and the only way ( that i know of) is thru debfoster, which in the hands of someone that doesnt knw what theyre doing, can be dangerous... === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toma- [n=haste@203-59-200-116.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] Toma-: I really don't have an answer for you but it seems like I remember hearing something about that being some where down the road for apt I think. [06:15] ahh k cool [06:15] Toma-: but I think the problem would be the same as is with debfoster [06:15] Toma-: it is hard to make a program that has good judgement ;-) [06:16] mmm. is it possible to make a deb that conflicts with everything from kubuntu-desktop, that would make it remove all conflicting files? [06:16] :) [06:17] and anti-kubuntu-destkop package? ;-) [06:17] you can already use the method(s) outlined in #ubuntu [06:17] removing kdelibs4c2? [06:18] and libarts* [06:18] LaserJock, exactly :) [06:18] crimsun, i c. [06:19] im just thinking a noob-friendly synaptic click option maybe to remove a meta-package... maybe with some debfoster integration or something. === rikai [i=rikai@pool-64-222-201-209.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] Toma-: well, I think it is a little easier said than done. Users tend to get a little upset when you start removing packages ;-) [06:25] yeh... but the whole "you can install a meta-package, but you cant remove it all" is a bit of a pain for the user... not me, but just for the general population === irvin [n=root@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cogumbreiro [n=tiago@81.20.250.82] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-132-137.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-146-31.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178000167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-146-31.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] pitti: pig [09:55] freeflying: Hey, be nice ta pitti:-) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.126.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] sorry for wrong spelling === j^_ [n=j@e178000167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] pitti: sorry for wrong spelling [09:57] freeflying: I shouldn't make fun about typos (or at least avoiding typos while doing so). [09:58] hunger: anyway , I'd thanks u for pointing out that === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] freeflying: pog :) [10:13] pitti: sorry for that spelling errror [10:16] hello, pitti [10:16] freeflying: nevermind :) [10:16] hy Huahua [10:16] pitti: Huahua is a member of we ubuntu-cn team [10:17] pitti: he has some idea about fontconfig [10:17] pitti: want cominucate with you === sivang hugs pitti === pitti hugs sivang [10:21] pitti: maybe you have an idea why du -sh and nautilus report different directory dizes for my home dir? [10:21] pitti: nautilus says 8.9G and du says 11G [10:22] sivang: hm, maybe one counts blocks and one adds bytes? [10:22] sivang: apparent size vs. real size, probably. [10:22] neuralis: I tried with du --apparent-size as well, same result [10:23] pitti: hmm, maybe. in that case it seems that nautilus counts blocks. [10:24] ah, also seems dh calcs GB's by / 1000000000 [10:24] s/dh/du/ [10:26] pitti: I found old ttf-arphic-* still in ubuntu desktop seed === martink [n=martin@84.179.131.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] freeflying: yes, mainly due to space constraints, I think === lbm [n=lbm@80.162.42.33] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@220.238.37.207] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-37-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail is now known as slomo === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.253.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbn [n=fbn@p549E157C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spastjeh [n=mrfreeze@105.43-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [n=simira@194.24.252.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrfreeze_ [n=mrfreeze@61-93.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@81.241.22.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrfreeze_ is now known as Spastjeh === mvo [n=egon@62.143.135.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-86-132.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zace [n=marc@i577B4D13.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === erez [n=erez@DSL217-132-33-23.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ is now known as j^ === olemke [n=olemke@p54896AE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@166.Red-81-39-183.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kenny_sp [n=Kenny@179.Red-217-126-231.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] dapper: if I do a apt-get install base-config (to have apt-setup) it conflits with locales (nl and en) and java (j2re1.4) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c208126.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Get] === iceman [n=iceman@250-22.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.126.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mantas_ [n=mantas@ctv-84-55-6-215.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] Hello all [02:24] doko, are you online ? === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable206.222-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ulaas [n=ulas@85.98.109.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-118-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-19-27.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.213.91.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] mvo [03:46] whoops, not here === bronson [n=bronson@pool-71-243-90-29.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Martolod [n=jeremy@ARennes-257-1-41-230.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Martolod [n=jeremy@ARennes-257-1-41-230.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === SteveMyers-Debug [n=SteveMye@255.26.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] anyone know how long it takes to do the deb_build for the linux kernel? I am debugging the new kernel 2.6.15-15 and it's been running all night. Does anyone know the average time for a kernel degbug? [03:55] P.S I'm building the deb at the moment === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@196.28.44.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-139-82.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SteveMyers-Debug [n=SteveMye@255.26.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Arrogance [n=aks@209.217.119.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lemsto [n=salim@ANantes-154-1-8-58.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] siretart: ping [04:34] zakame: pong === bobopopomo [n=subjectd@chello084114190212.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] siretart, did they fix breezy-updates? [04:37] mdke, was something wrong with it ? [04:37] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2006-February/012872.html [04:37] my upload yesterday was processed fine it seems [04:37] ogra, you know that something was wrong with it :) [04:38] it moved to soyuz, but there was nothing wrong ... [04:38] mdke: I havn't heard any news on that topic :( [04:39] hm. ogras upload went fine, perhaps it is working already and I didn't notice. [04:39] but since the DC is being moved around today anyway ... [04:39] ogra, soyuz wasn't allowing uploads to -updates, it must be fixed now if you uploaded yesterday [04:39] siretart, fancy giving it a try? [04:40] good idea :) [04:40] mdke, my upload was the guinea pig, yes... but there was nothing broken, it was expected downtime due to the move to soyuz [04:41] ogra, not so sure it was expected :) [04:41] and since the DC is being shuffled this weekend you might not see the binarys right away you upload today ... [04:41] mdke, it was [04:41] well the soyuz guys seemed surprised that siretart's uploads didn't work [04:42] ogra: I'm happy if my upload wasn't rejected [04:42] it was announced that -updtaes and -security wouldnt work .. [04:42] so i wouldnt call it broken ;) === siretart searches that bit in the announcements [04:42] siretart, in this channel ... [04:43] warty and hoary -updates arent expected to work yet afaik === ohoel [n=eruin@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] sorry, I don't read this channel 24/7, a notice to u-d-a would have been really nice [04:44] could a broken initramfs be related to network interfaces clashing? (eth1, eth1_clashed -> n-m not recognizing wireless eth1_clashed (was eth0)) [04:44] do you really expect a note to u-d-a for every small incident that happens during an announced change in the complete infrastructure ? [04:45] ohoel, thats udev breakage ... [04:45] -updates going down is not small [04:45] no, I don't expect every small incident reported to u-d-a [04:45] mdke, a complete build infrastructure change isnt small.... i'd expect the things to take up bit by bit in such a case [04:46] ogra, i was simply asking if it was fixed. 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[08:09] well, it's not so necessary. I'll get the job done without it ;) [08:09] upstream version freeze was a while back [08:09] maybe you can install it yourself though [08:10] yep [08:12] Coyctecm: i'm hoping dapper+1 [08:13] Coyctecm: have to bug daniels about it :) [08:13] mdke: it's hellish to install currently === hunger still remembers the "GL is not necessary on the desktop" he got all the time a couple of years back:-( [08:13] s/bug daniels/bribe daniels/ [08:13] opensuse 10.1 will have it [08:13] HiddenWolf, even more of a reason not to include it in dapper [08:13] Coyctecm: yeah, duh, they've developed it inhouse, and thus had months to plan inclusion [08:14] dilinger, is daniels coming back to work on Ubuntu then? [08:14] Coyctecm: you can bet it won't be default tho. [08:14] yes [08:14] Coyctecm: suse also was one of the first distributions to include reiserfs, though. speaks volumes against their judgement wrt stability [08:14] mdke: oh, i didn't know he left [08:14] but as I sayd i think I can live and get the job done without xgl :) === mdke nods === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] mdke: has he left, or taken time off? === herzi [n=herzi@c208126.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] i dunno [08:15] does anyone know a good intro for threads in python (not threading.Thread) ? [08:15] I've been googleing around and nothing good came up [08:16] Coyctecm: without decent drivers it is pretty useless, so it makes so sense to use it by default. The vast majority of users won't use binary ati/nvidia. [08:16] HiddenWolf, yes i agree. And it's still waste of resources [08:16] crimsun: maybe you know a good intro for python threading using the "low level" module? [08:17] HiddenWolf: how painful is it to set up? [08:17] sivang: painful, apperantly [08:17] sivang: friend of mine has been trying for 2 days only to find out that his geforce doesn't support it. [08:17] HiddenWolf: what type of card was that? (I have GF2 GTX) [08:17] sivang: and manually building xorg with cvs mesa/glitz and whatnot is hardly fun for most of us. [08:18] ah, bah [08:18] yeah sounds painful [08:18] sivang: he has a gf2mx. problem is that the card needs to support pixel shaders === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] someone claimed earlier that xgl works fine with ubuntu's xfree plus a manually build glitz on kubuntu-devel. [08:19] he has the cube, and the wobbly windows, but his background is black, with white windows [08:19] hunger: my friend is on gentoo. Haven't tried myself, altho I'm dying to try. :) === sivang joins that [08:20] hunger: would you know by any chance a good intro to "low leve" threading in python, that is not using threading.Thread ? [08:20] sivang: No. My python is somewhat rusty:-( [08:21] I was problems in breezy with pci-e x600 radeon on amd64 [08:21] Coyctecm: Yeah, I have problems, even without the amd64 part:-) [08:22] but libdri.a hack fixed it :) hope xorg 7 has better support for my cardm i really don't like to use binary drivers [08:23] Coyctecm: Which hack? [08:23] hunger: wait a minute... [08:24] sivang: http://www.webalice.it/cimi86/gnome/xgl_gray.avi === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] sivang: gentooers get all the fun. :) === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] hunger: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=198 [08:25] HiddenWolf: Well, they get all the building, too. [08:25] hunger: well, so true. :) [08:26] HiddenWolf: heh , well you recall what mark said, 'stable and boring' [08:26] i have used linux since 98 but never tryed gentoo [08:26] HiddenWolf: I hated gentoo when I tried it. And the cool apps were not available either most of the time. [08:27] Coyctecm: Thanks! [08:27] sivang: true, but lots of people are going to try and will be screwing their systems first and begging for help later. [08:28] sivang: or download stuff from shady sites and repo's [08:28] hunger: try it replace the libdri.a with version avaible in that link, after that I got the direct rendering work with fglrx [08:29] Coyctecm: Oh, I thought you did not use the binary drivers. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] Coyctecm: They break sleep mode here... no fun on a laptop, so I do not use those. === hunger mumbles that maybe he should retry, now that ubuntu broke sleep anyway. [08:30] hunger, ?? [08:30] WFM ... [08:30] ogra: sleep mode is broken in dapper on my box. Filed a bug about it. [08:30] ah [08:31] works on my ibook ... and the first time even on my amd64 laptop ... [08:31] ogra: Really bites me since dapper has a broken shutdown as well... [08:31] hunger: i almost must to use them with xorg 6.8.x, native support is too bad, hope that xorg 7 has better support [08:31] At least on my box. [08:31] thats only on new installs afaik ... [08:31] ogra: Mine is no new install. [08:31] all my upgraded systems shut down fine ... [08:32] i see it on liveCds only here [08:32] ogra: I'm following the development versions since shortly before hoary came out. [08:33] I was just thinking to upgrade breezy to dapper [08:33] Coyctecm: I wouldn't. [08:33] hunger, i'm doing my daily work on the development versions ... i dont see any shutdown robs on any of my systems ... [08:33] *probs [08:33] Coyctecm: dapper is seriously borked for me at the moment. [08:33] only if i test liveCDs [08:34] ogra: I do:-( === stratus [n=stratus@200216028220.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] ogra: TERM hangs for a few minutes for me on Dapper [08:34] hunger: ok I'll wait :) [08:34] udev has some weird issues with NIC naming currently, but apart from that, dapper is fine on 6 machines here [08:35] I have no hurry to upgrade, i'll wait :) [08:35] ogra: Hmmm... my NICs are not set up automatically,even though ifup does not ork because it thinks they are up already. === kwa [n=kyle@ppp-71-137-150-68.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:35] ogra: But apart from that I have no issues with udev (I think). === kwa [n=kyle@ppp-71-137-150-68.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] hunger, did you try the latest ? [08:36] ogra: Power management is all borked (I am using kubuntu). [08:36] it starts giving your NICs very weird names ... [08:36] ogra: My system is current with what is in the repro right now. [08:36] ogra: ifconfig -a lists lo only. [08:37] cat /proc/net/dev ? [08:37] Oh, fonts are completly unreadable at the moment, too. So I am stuck out of X (can't read anything there). [08:38] ogra: lo, ath0, eth0, sit0. Looks fine. [08:38] yes, Riddell is working on getting the dpi settings solved for KDE afaik [08:38] ogra: But I did a ifdown/ifup on ath0 to get into the net. [08:38] ogra: Those did not change (yet?). [08:38] are you guys getting paid for developing dapper? :) is this official developers channel? [08:38] just curious :) [08:39] yes [08:39] It is the official channel, but I am no developer. [08:39] and yes [08:39] ok :) [08:39] Coyctecm: Just hang out here to listen in and complain if I can not find out which package to whine about (so that I can not complain via the bugtracker). [08:39] but there is only a small percentage of the 160 ppl here working full time on ubuntu ;) [08:40] :) [08:40] ogra: My application was just rejected:-( [08:40] hunger, application for what ? [08:40] ogra: QA engineer at canonical. [08:40] ah [08:40] sad ... [08:41] I program a lot of stuff too with python, but those are just my own "hacks" :) [08:41] i dont know the criteria apart from whats on the website though ... [08:42] ogra: Not really a surprise. But I had to give i it a try. [08:42] sure, anybody with at least minor QA experience should [08:43] Would have been fun to work on ubuntu. Can't do much for it at the moment, too much work:-( [08:50] it would be great to work full time with some distro :) just that here in finland are not too many companies.. [08:51] I'll think novell is only one... [08:52] Coyctecm: work remotely, like most hackers. :) [08:53] sure, first Ill just have to get some company like canonical to hire me :) [08:53] of all* :P [08:53] So give it a shot. :) [08:53] yeah, i mail to mark shuttlework :) [08:53] well.. not. :D === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:59] Hm, it'll be good to have a QA person bug triager for ubuntu. :) [08:59] amount of bugs is getting so huge. === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [n=willy@hlfxns01bbh-142177195171.ns.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] HiddenWolf: Take me, take me;-) [09:02] me! me! [09:02] hunger: heh, I'm just a groupie. :) [09:02] HiddenWolf: Then I could get my stuff fixed sooner;-) [09:03] :D [09:03] HiddenWolf: So what, so am I. === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@h100n4c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] mondus44 [09:14] damn there is cold outisde :( [09:14] outside* [09:18] how many flight is there before final release? === j^ [n=j@e178035076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lemsto [n=salim@ANantes-154-1-57-196.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-14-222.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] what is the canonical way to define the current distribution in a given machine? checking sources.list wouldn't be a good approach, would it? [09:35] I'm coding NetworkWideUpdates and I'm sort of stuck there. [09:35] nictuku: /etc/lsb_release [09:35] hmm lsb-release [09:35] of course, that is modulo manual fiddling or partial upgrades [09:38] Do you know if that file is always available in Debian sarge, too, in a minimal installation? [09:38] I don't think so [09:39] there is /etc/debian_version though, as well [09:39] hmm nice [09:39] actually, I am sure it isn't, as I don't have it here [09:40] good to know, then [09:41] is there anywhere saying "3.1" in debian? :-) [09:41] debian_release? [09:41] I can't check that, vanilla ubuntu here. [09:42] debian_version says that, yes [09:42] mbanck@blackbird:~$ cat /etc/debian_version [09:42] 3.1 === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] ok. thank you - In ubuntu it says "testing/unstable". [09:43] since thats the debian release its based on [09:44] yes, sure. [09:44] I was afraid that in debian it would say the codename, not the version number. [09:44] hello guys someone can tell me how can I see a .po files statistics ? translated, fuzzy et? [09:46] AlinuxOS: launchpad.net/rosetta [09:46] HiddenWolf, not on the web [09:46] locally === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sovvy2009 [n=sovvy200@82-37-32-193.cable.ubr01.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@196.28.45.166] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === erez [n=erez@217.132.90.129] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@84.192.251.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] NOTICE: *.ubuntu.com and other Canonical hosted services are going down in 10 minutes, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000049.html for more details === iceman [n=iceman@81.242.218.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] hey [11:15] you guys know www.ubuntu.com is down? [11:15] yes [11:15] yes, the server is down [11:15] ok [11:15] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000049.html [11:15] i know you probably have heard it a million times heh [11:15] so sorry. [11:15] you're the first [11:15] your kidding. [11:16] its down since some minutes only ... === iceman [n=iceman@63-199.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] hi ogra === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdke] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | LP Upgrade was today, please report bugs if you see 'em | Ubuntu Servers are down for maintenance [11:16] hey tseng [11:16] ogra: heh.. i cant access that either [11:16] it's all down [11:16] ah, yes, indeed ... [11:16] is there a mirror i can download ubuntu from? [11:16] heh [11:17] archive,ubuntu.com was redirected... should still work ... === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] cdimage isnt though afaik [11:17] http://releases.ubuntu.com/ [11:17] that works [11:17] can anyone change the topic in #ubuntu to reflect that as well [11:17] ok [11:18] topic is locked [11:18] HEY, HO, HELP! UBUNTU.COM IS DOWN -- just to be the first of the panicy people [11:18] :) [11:19] they are fascists in #ubuntu these days [11:19] mdke: One's got to have some rules in a channel of that size. [11:19] some rules, sure [11:19] mdke: Sorry this site is currently unavailable as it's down for maintenance. It should be back shortly. Apologies for the inconvenience and please try again soon. === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] who has a copy of dapper to hand? [11:22] mdke: iso? [11:23] installed === ogra has only edubuntu around [11:23] I do [11:23] I just upgraded from breezy, whatcha need? [11:23] HiddenWolf: i was first :P [11:23] ok, in a gtk app, hold ctrl and shift and type 2002 [11:23] e.g. gedit [11:23] what does it produce? [11:24] 2002 [11:24] (with a little frame ) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] yeah :/ [11:24] the font is missing that character [11:24] does anyone else's mplayer segfault on a recently-upgraded dapper? [11:25] ogra, in yelp, open an xml document, see if you get the missing character all over the index [11:25] yup [11:25] mdke: oh, that is what it is? I was wondering what the funny thing was. [11:25] i'd say file a bug ... [11:25] sucks [11:26] but you'll have to wait for launchpad to come up again [11:26] ogra, there is one, i just wanted to make sure it's reproducable by everyone [11:26] it is === ogra wishes he had such easy bugs [11:26] ok thanks [11:26] mdke: what is it supposed to look like? [11:26] LaserJock, it's a half white space [11:27] interesting [11:27] HiddenWolf: pong === neoxite [n=neoxite@xdsl-81-173-159-175.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [n=zeedo@reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] crimsun: benc asked me to ask alsa-upstream about a bug. I thought I'd start with you. I have no sound on my bttv-tvcard, mixer settings identical to the setup on warty to breezy === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] crimsun: I get the tearing static-sound only [11:29] HiddenWolf: on dist-upgrade or clean install? [11:29] crimsun: dist-upgrade [11:29] HiddenWolf: unload all the ALSA modules, forcibly remove the state file, and reload the ALSA modules [11:30] crimsun: dare I ask for the exact commands? (being as it is nearing midnight and I am clueless) [11:30] (any further troubleshooting should be in #ubuntu) === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away [11:33] yay found a mirror [11:34] LadyNikon, just use archive.ubuntu.com [11:34] ogra: everything that had ubuntu.com in it wasnt working for me [11:34] so i found other sites [11:34] try archive.ubuntu.com its redirected since this mornong already [11:34] *morning [11:35] LadyNikon: otherwise, there is se.archive.ubuntu.com [11:36] HiddenWolf, which is the target of the DNS redirect ;) === kwa [n=kyle@ppp-71-137-150-68.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === iceman [n=iceman@246-216.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Benbo [n=liblit@ppp-70-226-156-210.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has left #ubuntu-devel []