[12:32] <cogumbreiro>  does anyone know how to update the update the filetype database (under gnome)?
[12:33] <cogumbreiro> i've installed my application which registers MimeType=audio/x-scpls;audio/x-mpegurl;
[12:33] <cogumbreiro> but I see no association in nautilus
[01:43] <MisterN> n8
[02:35] <crimsun> hmm.
[02:57] <zul> heylo
[03:02] <Drac[Server] > I'm going to install isapnptools. Once I do that, how will I use it to make Ubuntu use my ISA ethernet adapter?
[03:15] <HiddenWolf> anyone here use evolution?
[04:43] <TheMuso> n/c
[04:57] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[04:57] <shadeofgrey> look
[04:57] <shadeofgrey> im not a coder
[04:58] <shadeofgrey> but i really need to talk to the grandpoobah's currently in this channel about updates that were offered as of yesterday to dapper users yesterday...
[04:58] <shadeofgrey> because it did something rather amazing
[04:58] <shadeofgrey> it enabled kde and gnome to be running simultaneously
[04:58] <shadeofgrey> ive got gnome up top, and the kde panel at the bottom
[04:59] <shadeofgrey> and i didnt request my machine to do so as far as i cvan tell
[04:59] <shadeofgrey> i didnt even think such a thing was possible
[05:16] <Drac[Server] > I'm going to install isapnptools. Once I do that, how will I use it to make Ubuntu use my ISA ethernet adapter?
[05:26] <LaserJock> shadeofgrey and Drac[Server]  : this really isn't a support channel
[05:27] <shadeofgrey> no i know that
[05:27] <LaserJock> shadeofgrey: I would look in the gnome sessions and see if the kde panel is in there
[05:27] <shadeofgrey> im just trying to terll you that something in the update packages from yesterday did something unspeakable to my machine
[05:27] <shadeofgrey> how do i turn off kde?
[05:28] <shadeofgrey> i mean, i need some of it because i run k3b
[05:28] <shadeofgrey> but ive never had to use the whole window manager and panel system before
[05:28] <LaserJock> I don't think you have all of kde on, just the panel
[05:28] <shadeofgrey> and id really like to turn it off if its possible
[05:28] <Drac[Server] > LaserJock, I know, but nobody in the actual support channel knows a goddamned thing about isapnptools.
[05:29] <LaserJock> Drac[Server] : have you searched wiki.ubuntu.com and the ubuntu forums?
[05:30] <LaserJock> shadeofgrey: so go into something like System->Preferences->Sessions and look for kde apps
[05:32] <shadeofgrey> okay
[05:32] <shadeofgrey> see
[05:32] <shadeofgrey> thats all i neededto know
[05:32] <shadeofgrey> and i couldnt get any hgelp out of the people in thd support channel
[05:32] <shadeofgrey> because all the good guys and girls have gone to bed
[05:32] <shadeofgrey> now the channels just flooded with people that need help and cant get any a this hour
[05:33] <LaserJock> shadeofgrey: I understand , I get a headache every time I try to go over there
[05:33] <lakin> shadeofgrey: and when things are truly broken, use the launchpad to report the bugs.
[05:34] <shadeofgrey> i dont know what the launchpad is
[05:34] <shadeofgrey> or how touse it
[05:35] <shadeofgrey> the problem with the suppoort chaneel in my unhumble opinion is that EVERYBODY wants help right away
[05:35] <Drac[Server] > LaserJock, I hadn't thought of the forums. There seems to be something quite similar, here. I'll see if it does the trick.
[05:35] <lakin> shadeofgrey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs
[05:35] <shadeofgrey> and less than 10-% of the people are willing to be polite, patient, and wait their turn
[05:35] <lakin> Drac[Server] : another secret tool that none of developers tell the users about is google.com  asking it got me to here, which might help? http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/isapnpfaq.html
[05:38] <shadeofgrey> thankjs guys
[05:38] <shadeofgrey> i fixed it
[05:39] <Drac[Server] > lakin, I don't need help with isapnptools. I just need help getting it to see the card, which it doesn't. pnpdump returns "No boards found" and such.
[05:41] <shadeofgrey> listen...  before i go i just wanted to say thanks for everything you guys do
[05:41] <shadeofgrey> without you ubuntu wouldnt exist and id be stuck with windows
[05:42] <lakin> "I don't need with isapnptools. I just need help getting it to ... "   your definition of needing help with a package is obviously completely differen than mine.
[05:48] <Toma-> is dapper going to have easier removal of meta-packages...? or is that a question i should direct to the apt team? for instance, some newbie just asked of a way to remove kubuntu-desktop and all its packages, and the only way ( that i know of) is thru debfoster, which in the hands of someone that doesnt knw what theyre doing, can be dangerous...
[06:15] <LaserJock> Toma-: I really don't have an answer for you but it seems like I remember hearing something about that being some where down the road for apt I think.
[06:15] <Toma-> ahh k cool
[06:15] <LaserJock> Toma-: but I think the problem would be the same as is with debfoster
[06:15] <LaserJock> Toma-: it is hard to make a program that has good judgement ;-)
[06:16] <Toma-> mmm. is it possible to make a deb that conflicts with everything from kubuntu-desktop, that would make it remove all conflicting files?
[06:16] <Toma-> :)
[06:17] <LaserJock> and anti-kubuntu-destkop package? ;-)
[06:17] <crimsun> you can already use the method(s) outlined in #ubuntu
[06:17] <Toma-> removing kdelibs4c2?
[06:18] <crimsun> and libarts*
[06:18] <Toma-> LaserJock, exactly :)
[06:18] <Toma-> crimsun, i c. 
[06:19] <Toma-> im just thinking a noob-friendly synaptic click option maybe to remove a meta-package... maybe with some debfoster integration or something.
[06:24] <LaserJock> Toma-: well, I think it is a little easier said than done. Users tend to get a little upset when you start removing packages ;-)
[06:25] <Toma-> yeh... but the whole "you can install a meta-package, but you cant remove it all" is a bit of a pain for the user... not me, but just for the general population
[09:55] <freeflying> pitti: pig
[09:55] <hunger> freeflying: Hey, be nice ta pitti:-)
[09:56] <freeflying> sorry for wrong spelling
[09:57] <freeflying> pitti: sorry for wrong spelling 
[09:57] <hunger> freeflying: I shouldn't make fun about typos (or at least avoiding typos while doing so).
[09:58] <freeflying> hunger: anyway , I'd thanks u for pointing out  that 
[10:12] <pitti> freeflying: pog :)
[10:13] <freeflying> pitti: sorry for that spelling errror
[10:16] <Huahua> hello, pitti
[10:16] <pitti> freeflying: nevermind :)
[10:16] <pitti> hy Huahua 
[10:16] <freeflying> pitti: Huahua is a member of we ubuntu-cn team
[10:17] <freeflying> pitti: he has some idea about fontconfig
[10:17] <freeflying> pitti: want cominucate with you 
[10:21] <sivang> pitti: maybe you have an idea why du -sh and nautilus report different directory dizes for my home dir?
[10:21] <sivang> pitti: nautilus says 8.9G and du says 11G
[10:22] <pitti> sivang: hm, maybe one counts blocks and one adds bytes?
[10:22] <neuralis> sivang: apparent size vs. real size, probably.
[10:22] <sivang> neuralis: I tried with du --apparent-size as well, same result
[10:23] <sivang> pitti: hmm, maybe. in that case it seems that nautilus counts blocks.
[10:24] <sivang> ah, also seems dh calcs GB's by / 1000000000
[10:24] <sivang> s/dh/du/
[10:26] <freeflying> pitti: I found old ttf-arphic-* still in ubuntu desktop seed 
[10:33] <pitti> freeflying: yes, mainly due to space constraints, I think
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> dapper: if I do a apt-get install base-config (to have apt-setup) it conflits with locales (nl and en) and java (j2re1.4)
[02:23] <mantas_> Hello all
[02:24] <mantas_> doko, are you online ?
[03:46] <mdke> mvo
[03:46] <mdke> whoops, not here
[03:55] <SteveMyers-Debug> anyone know how long it takes to do the deb_build for the linux kernel? I am debugging the new kernel 2.6.15-15 and it's been running all night. Does anyone know the average time for a kernel degbug?
[03:55] <SteveMyers-Debug> P.S I'm building the deb at the moment
[04:31] <zakame> siretart: ping
[04:34] <siretart> zakame: pong
[04:36] <mdke> siretart, did they fix breezy-updates?
[04:37] <ogra> mdke, was something wrong with it ? 
[04:37] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2006-February/012872.html
[04:37] <ogra> my upload yesterday was processed fine it seems
[04:37] <mdke> ogra, you know that something was wrong with it :)
[04:38] <ogra> it moved to soyuz, but there was nothing wrong ...
[04:38] <siretart> mdke: I havn't heard any news on that topic :(
[04:39] <siretart> hm. ogras upload went fine, perhaps it is working already and I didn't notice. 
[04:39] <ogra> but since the DC is being moved around today anyway ...
[04:39] <mdke> ogra, soyuz wasn't allowing uploads to -updates, it must be fixed now if you uploaded yesterday
[04:39] <mdke> siretart, fancy giving it a try?
[04:40] <siretart> good idea :)
[04:40] <ogra> mdke, my upload was the guinea pig, yes... but there was nothing broken, it was expected downtime due to the move to soyuz
[04:41] <mdke> ogra, not so sure it was expected :)
[04:41] <ogra> and since the DC is being shuffled this weekend you might not see the binarys right away you upload today ...
[04:41] <ogra> mdke, it was
[04:41] <mdke> well the soyuz guys seemed surprised that siretart's uploads didn't work
[04:42] <siretart> ogra: I'm happy if my upload wasn't rejected
[04:42] <ogra> it was announced that -updtaes and -security wouldnt work ..
[04:42] <ogra> so i wouldnt call it broken ;)
[04:42] <ogra> siretart, in this channel ...
[04:43] <ogra> warty and hoary -updates arent expected to work yet afaik
[04:43] <siretart> sorry, I don't read this channel 24/7, a notice to u-d-a would have been really nice
[04:44] <ohoel> could a broken initramfs be related to network interfaces clashing? (eth1, eth1_clashed -> n-m not recognizing wireless eth1_clashed (was eth0))
[04:44] <ogra> do you really expect a note to u-d-a for every small incident that happens during an announced change in the complete infrastructure ? 
[04:45] <ogra> ohoel, thats udev breakage ...
[04:45] <mdke> -updates going down is not small
[04:45] <siretart> no, I don't expect every small incident reported to u-d-a
[04:45] <ogra> mdke, a complete build infrastructure change isnt small.... i'd expect the things to take up bit by bit in such a case 
[04:46] <mdke> ogra, i was simply asking if it was fixed. I'm glad if it is
[04:46] <ogra> breezy is ... 
[04:46] <ogra> i'm pretty sure warty and hoary will wait until there is a guineapig to test with first ...
[04:56] <Mithrandir> freeflying: please turn off public away.
[04:57] <freeflying> Mithrandir:  sorry for bothering  :)
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: ping
[08:07] <dilinger> mmm
[08:07] <dilinger> http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi
[08:08] <Coyctecm> will xgl be in dapper?
[08:08] <mdke> Coyctecm, no
[08:08] <Coyctecm> :(
[08:09] <hunger> Coyctecm: From the discussion on ubuntu-devel I guess not.
[08:09] <Coyctecm> well, it's not so necessary. I'll get the job done without it ;)
[08:09] <mdke> upstream version freeze was a while back
[08:09] <mdke> maybe you can install it yourself though
[08:10] <Coyctecm> yep
[08:12] <dilinger> Coyctecm: i'm hoping dapper+1
[08:13] <dilinger> Coyctecm: have to bug daniels about it :)
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> mdke: it's hellish to install currently
[08:13] <dilinger> s/bug daniels/bribe daniels/
[08:13] <Coyctecm> opensuse 10.1 will have it
[08:13] <mdke> HiddenWolf, even more of a reason not to include it in dapper
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> Coyctecm: yeah, duh, they've developed it inhouse, and thus had months to plan inclusion
[08:14] <mdke> dilinger, is daniels coming back to work on Ubuntu then?
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> Coyctecm: you can bet it won't be default tho.
[08:14] <Coyctecm> yes
[08:14] <dilinger> Coyctecm: suse also was one of the first distributions to include reiserfs, though.  speaks volumes against their judgement wrt stability
[08:14] <dilinger> mdke: oh, i didn't know he left
[08:14] <Coyctecm> but as I sayd i think I can live and get the job done without xgl :)
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> mdke: has he left, or taken time off?
[08:14] <mdke> i dunno
[08:15] <sivang> does anyone know a good intro for threads in python (not threading.Thread) ?
[08:15] <sivang> I've been googleing around and nothing good came up
[08:16] <HiddenWolf> Coyctecm: without decent drivers it is pretty useless, so it makes so sense to use it by default. The vast majority of users won't use binary ati/nvidia.
[08:16] <Coyctecm> HiddenWolf, yes i agree. And it's still waste of resources
[08:16] <sivang> crimsun: maybe you know a good intro for python threading using the "low level" module?
[08:17] <sivang> HiddenWolf: how painful is it to set up? 
[08:17] <HiddenWolf> sivang: painful, apperantly
[08:17] <HiddenWolf> sivang: friend of mine has been trying for 2 days only to find out that his geforce doesn't support it.
[08:17] <sivang> HiddenWolf: what type of card was that? (I have GF2 GTX)
[08:17] <HiddenWolf> sivang: and manually building xorg with cvs mesa/glitz and whatnot is hardly fun for most of us.
[08:18] <sivang> ah, bah
[08:18] <sivang> yeah sounds painful
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> sivang: he has a gf2mx. problem is that the card needs to support pixel shaders
[08:18] <hunger> someone claimed earlier that xgl works fine with ubuntu's xfree plus a manually build glitz on kubuntu-devel.
[08:19] <HiddenWolf> he has the cube, and the wobbly windows, but his background is black, with white windows
[08:19] <HiddenWolf> hunger: my friend is on gentoo. Haven't tried myself, altho I'm dying to try. :)
[08:20] <sivang> hunger: would you know by any chance a good intro to "low leve" threading in python, that is not using threading.Thread ?
[08:20] <hunger> sivang: No. My python is somewhat rusty:-(
[08:21] <Coyctecm> I was problems in breezy with pci-e x600 radeon on amd64
[08:21] <hunger> Coyctecm: Yeah, I have problems, even without the amd64 part:-)
[08:22] <Coyctecm> but libdri.a hack fixed it :) hope xorg 7 has better support for my cardm i really don't like to use binary drivers
[08:23] <hunger> Coyctecm: Which hack?
[08:23] <Coyctecm> hunger: wait a minute...
[08:24] <HiddenWolf> sivang: http://www.webalice.it/cimi86/gnome/xgl_gray.avi
[08:24] <HiddenWolf> sivang: gentooers get all the fun. :)
[08:25] <Coyctecm> hunger: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=198
[08:25] <hunger> HiddenWolf: Well, they get all the building, too.
[08:25] <HiddenWolf> hunger: well, so true. :)
[08:26] <sivang> HiddenWolf: heh , well you recall what mark said, 'stable and boring'
[08:26] <Coyctecm> i have used linux since 98 but never tryed gentoo
[08:26] <hunger> HiddenWolf: I hated gentoo when I tried it. And the cool apps were not available either most of the time.
[08:27] <hunger> Coyctecm: Thanks!
[08:27] <HiddenWolf> sivang: true, but lots of people are going to try and will be screwing their systems first and begging for help later.
[08:28] <HiddenWolf> sivang: or download stuff from shady sites and repo's
[08:28] <Coyctecm> hunger: try it replace the libdri.a with version avaible in that link, after that I got the direct rendering work with fglrx
[08:29] <hunger> Coyctecm: Oh, I thought you did not use the binary drivers.
[08:29] <hunger> Coyctecm: They break sleep mode here... no fun on a laptop, so I do not use those.
[08:30] <ogra> hunger, ??
[08:30] <ogra> WFM ...
[08:30] <hunger> ogra: sleep mode is broken in dapper on my box. Filed a bug about it.
[08:30] <ogra> ah
[08:31] <ogra> works on my ibook ... and the first time even on my amd64 laptop ...
[08:31] <hunger> ogra: Really bites me since dapper has a broken shutdown as well...
[08:31] <Coyctecm> hunger: i almost must to use them with xorg 6.8.x, native support is too bad, hope that xorg 7 has better support
[08:31] <hunger> At least on my box.
[08:31] <ogra> thats only on new installs afaik ...
[08:31] <hunger> ogra: Mine is no new install.
[08:31] <ogra> all my upgraded systems shut down fine ...
[08:32] <ogra> i see it on liveCds only here
[08:32] <hunger> ogra: I'm following the development versions since shortly before hoary came out.
[08:33] <Coyctecm> I was just thinking to upgrade breezy to dapper
[08:33] <hunger> Coyctecm: I wouldn't.
[08:33] <ogra> hunger, i'm doing my daily work on the development versions ... i dont see any shutdown robs on any of my systems ...
[08:33] <ogra> *probs
[08:33] <hunger> Coyctecm: dapper is seriously borked for me at the moment.
[08:33] <ogra> only if i test liveCDs
[08:34] <hunger> ogra: I do:-(
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> ogra: TERM hangs for  a few minutes for me on Dapper
[08:34] <Coyctecm> hunger: ok I'll wait :)
[08:34] <ogra> udev has some weird issues with NIC naming currently, but apart from that, dapper is fine on 6 machines here
[08:35] <Coyctecm> I have no hurry to upgrade, i'll wait :)
[08:35] <hunger> ogra: Hmmm... my NICs are not set up automatically,even though ifup does not ork because it thinks they are up already.
[08:35] <hunger> ogra: But apart from that I have no issues with udev (I think).
[08:36] <ogra> hunger, did you try the latest ? 
[08:36] <hunger> ogra: Power management is all borked (I am using kubuntu).
[08:36] <ogra> it starts giving your NICs very weird names ...
[08:36] <hunger> ogra: My system is current with what is in the repro right now.
[08:36] <hunger> ogra: ifconfig -a lists lo only.
[08:37] <ogra> cat /proc/net/dev ?
[08:37] <hunger> Oh, fonts are completly unreadable at the moment, too. So I am stuck out of X (can't read anything there).
[08:38] <hunger> ogra: lo, ath0, eth0, sit0. Looks fine.
[08:38] <ogra> yes, Riddell is working on getting the dpi settings solved for KDE afaik
[08:38] <hunger> ogra: But I did a ifdown/ifup on ath0 to get into the net.
[08:38] <hunger> ogra: Those did not change (yet?).
[08:38] <Coyctecm> are you guys getting paid for developing dapper? :) is this official developers channel?
[08:38] <Coyctecm> just curious :)
[08:39] <ogra> yes
[08:39] <hunger> It is the official channel, but I am no developer.
[08:39] <ogra> and yes
[08:39] <Coyctecm> ok :)
[08:39] <hunger> Coyctecm: Just hang out here to listen in and complain if I can not find out which package to whine about (so that I can not complain via the bugtracker).
[08:39] <ogra> but there is only a small percentage of the 160 ppl here working full time on ubuntu ;)
[08:40] <Coyctecm> :)
[08:40] <hunger> ogra: My application was just rejected:-(
[08:40] <ogra> hunger, application for what ? 
[08:40] <hunger> ogra: QA engineer at canonical.
[08:40] <ogra> ah
[08:40] <ogra> sad ...
[08:41] <Coyctecm> I program a lot of stuff too with python, but those are just my own "hacks" :)
[08:41] <ogra> i dont know the criteria apart from whats on the website though ...
[08:42] <hunger> ogra: Not really a surprise. But I had to give i it a try.
[08:42] <ogra> sure, anybody with at least minor QA experience should 
[08:43] <hunger> Would have been fun to work on ubuntu. Can't do much for it at the moment, too much work:-(
[08:50] <Coyctecm> it would be great to work full time with some distro :) just that here in finland are not too many companies..
[08:51] <Coyctecm> I'll think novell is only one...
[08:52] <HiddenWolf> Coyctecm: work remotely, like most hackers. :)
[08:53] <Coyctecm> sure, first Ill just have to get some company like canonical to hire me :) 
[08:53] <Coyctecm> of all* :P
[08:53] <HiddenWolf> So give it a shot. :)
[08:53] <Coyctecm> yeah, i mail to mark shuttlework :) 
[08:53] <Coyctecm> well.. not. :D
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> Hm, it'll be good to have a QA person bug triager for ubuntu. :)
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> amount of bugs is getting so huge.
[09:02] <hunger> HiddenWolf: Take me, take me;-)
[09:02] <Coyctecm> me! me!
[09:02] <HiddenWolf> hunger: heh, I'm just a groupie. :)
[09:02] <hunger> HiddenWolf: Then I could get my stuff fixed sooner;-)
[09:03] <Coyctecm> :D
[09:03] <hunger> HiddenWolf: So what, so am I.
[09:13] <lemsto> mondus44
[09:14] <Coyctecm> damn there is cold outisde :( 
[09:14] <Coyctecm> outside*
[09:18] <lemsto> how many flight is there before final release?
[09:34] <nictuku> what is the canonical way to define the current distribution in a given machine? checking sources.list wouldn't be a good approach, would it?
[09:35] <nictuku> I'm coding NetworkWideUpdates and I'm sort of stuck there.
[09:35] <azeem> nictuku: /etc/lsb_release
[09:35] <nictuku> hmm lsb-release
[09:35] <azeem> of course, that is modulo manual fiddling or partial upgrades
[09:38] <nictuku> Do you know if that file is always available in Debian sarge, too, in a minimal installation?
[09:38] <azeem> I don't think so
[09:39] <azeem> there is /etc/debian_version though, as well
[09:39] <nictuku> hmm nice
[09:39] <azeem> actually, I am sure it isn't, as I don't have it here
[09:40] <nictuku> good to know, then
[09:41] <nictuku> is there anywhere saying "3.1" in debian? :-)
[09:41] <tseng> debian_release?
[09:41] <nictuku> I can't check that, vanilla ubuntu here.
[09:42] <azeem> debian_version says that, yes
[09:42] <azeem> mbanck@blackbird:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 
[09:42] <azeem> 3.1
[09:43] <nictuku> ok. thank you - In ubuntu it says "testing/unstable".
[09:43] <tseng> since thats the debian release its based on
[09:44] <nictuku> yes, sure.
[09:44] <nictuku> I was afraid that in debian it would say the codename, not the version number.
[09:44] <AlinuxOS> hello guys someone can tell me how can I see a .po files statistics ? translated, fuzzy et?
[09:46] <HiddenWolf> AlinuxOS: launchpad.net/rosetta
[09:46] <AlinuxOS> HiddenWolf, not on the web
[09:46] <AlinuxOS> locally
[10:50] <elmo> NOTICE: *.ubuntu.com and other Canonical hosted services are going down in 10 minutes, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000049.html for more details
[11:15] <LadyNikon> hey
[11:15] <LadyNikon> you guys know www.ubuntu.com is down?
[11:15] <ogra> yes
[11:15] <mdke> yes, the server is down
[11:15] <LadyNikon> ok
[11:15] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000049.html
[11:15] <LadyNikon> i know you probably have heard it a million times heh
[11:15] <LadyNikon> so sorry.
[11:15] <mdke> you're the first
[11:15] <LadyNikon> your kidding.
[11:16] <ogra> its down since some minutes only ...
[11:16] <tseng> hi ogra 
[11:16] <ogra> hey tseng 
[11:16] <LadyNikon> ogra: heh.. i cant access that either 
[11:16] <mdke> it's all down
[11:16] <ogra> ah, yes, indeed ...
[11:16] <LadyNikon> is there a mirror i can download ubuntu from?
[11:16] <ogra> heh
[11:17] <ogra> archive,ubuntu.com was redirected... should still work ...
[11:17] <ogra> cdimage isnt though afaik
[11:17] <mdke> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[11:17] <mdke> that works
[11:17] <LadyNikon> can anyone change the topic in #ubuntu to reflect that as well
[11:17] <mdke> ok
[11:18] <mdke> topic is locked
[11:18] <HiddenWolf> HEY, HO, HELP! UBUNTU.COM IS DOWN -- just to be the first of the panicy people
[11:18] <HiddenWolf> :)
[11:19] <mdke> they are fascists in #ubuntu these days
[11:19] <HiddenWolf> mdke: One's got to have some rules in a channel of that size.
[11:19] <mdke> some rules, sure
[11:19] <LadyNikon> mdke: Sorry this site is currently unavailable as it's down for maintenance. It should be back shortly. Apologies for the inconvenience and please try again soon.
[11:22] <mdke> who has a copy of dapper to hand?
[11:22] <HiddenWolf> mdke: iso?
[11:23] <mdke> installed
[11:23] <HiddenWolf> I do
[11:23] <trappist> I just upgraded from breezy, whatcha need?
[11:23] <LadyNikon> HiddenWolf: i was first :P
[11:23] <mdke> ok, in a gtk app, hold ctrl and shift and type 2002
[11:23] <mdke> e.g. gedit
[11:23] <mdke> what does it produce?
[11:24] <ogra> 2002 
[11:24] <ogra> (with a little frame )
[11:24] <mdke> yeah :/
[11:24] <mdke> the font is missing that character
[11:24] <trappist> does anyone else's mplayer segfault on a recently-upgraded dapper?
[11:25] <mdke> ogra, in yelp, open an xml document, see if you get the missing character all over the index
[11:25] <ogra> yup
[11:25] <LaserJock> mdke: oh, that is what it is? I was wondering what the funny thing was.
[11:25] <ogra> i'd say file a bug ... 
[11:25] <mdke> sucks
[11:26] <ogra> but you'll have to wait for launchpad to come up again
[11:26] <mdke> ogra, there is one, i just wanted to make sure it's reproducable by everyone
[11:26] <ogra> it is
[11:26] <mdke> ok thanks
[11:26] <LaserJock> mdke: what is it supposed to look like?
[11:26] <mdke> LaserJock, it's a half white space
[11:27] <LaserJock> interesting
[11:27] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: pong
[11:28] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: benc asked me to ask alsa-upstream about a bug. I thought I'd start with you. I have no sound on my bttv-tvcard, mixer settings identical to the setup on warty to breezy
[11:28] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: I get the tearing static-sound only
[11:29] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: on dist-upgrade or clean install?
[11:29] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: dist-upgrade
[11:29] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: unload all the ALSA modules, forcibly remove the state file, and reload the ALSA modules
[11:30] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: dare I ask for the exact commands? (being as it is nearing midnight and I am clueless)
[11:30] <crimsun> (any further troubleshooting should be in #ubuntu)
[11:33] <LadyNikon> yay found a mirror
[11:34] <ogra> LadyNikon, just use archive.ubuntu.com 
[11:34] <LadyNikon> ogra: everything that had ubuntu.com in it wasnt working for me
[11:34] <LadyNikon> so i found other sites
[11:34] <ogra> try archive.ubuntu.com its redirected since this mornong already
[11:34] <ogra> *morning
[11:35] <HiddenWolf> LadyNikon: otherwise, there is se.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:36] <ogra> HiddenWolf, which is the target of the DNS redirect ;)