[01:08] <bshumate> let the interrogations begin! ;-) ;-)
[01:09] <bshumate> that has to be the best posting to the list i've ever seen...
[01:09] <bshumate> was there supposed to be a card? i don't remember getting my card!
[01:09] <Madpilot> which one?
[01:10] <bshumate> Madpilot: the one with the subject of "interrogations" earlier this week, or maybe this past weekend
[01:10] <jsgotangco> yes
[01:10] <jsgotangco> it was a good laugh at first read
[01:11] <jsgotangco> but then the writer just chose the wrong words
[01:11] <bshumate> yeah, i knew right away he just meant "questions" but it was a hoot though. ;-)
[01:14] <bshumate> aha!  the 'lil business card cd! that's right!
[01:15] <bshumate> Kyral: have you tried out the distribution on the card?
[01:15] <Kyral> bshumate: I haven't gotten it yet
[01:15] <Kyral> it was a joke
[01:16] <bshumate> ahh...i am gonna go try it out real quick...
[01:35] <jsgotangco> hrmm i seem to have accidentally erased my key pair in my usb stick
[01:36] <crimsun> hopefully you have a backup and/or a revocation cert!
[01:36] <jsgotangco> i do have a revoke cert
[01:37] <jsgotangco> i just couldnt find the backup now
[01:37] <jsgotangco> :/
[01:37] <jsgotangco> crimsun, i just send out the revoke cert to my list right?
[01:38] <jsgotangco> good thing that key isn't well connected yet
[01:39] <Madpilot> Burgwork: ping
[01:40] <crimsun> jsgotangco: if you're positive you can't locate the backup, import the cert locally (which revokes it), then push your key up again. The problem is that you then need to tell everyone to pull.
[01:43] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:59] <Burgwork> Madpilot, pong
[01:59] <Madpilot> Burgwork: you free tomorrow?
[02:00] <Burgwork> yep
[02:01] <Madpilot> cool - call me at Clive's sometime this evening, then - you must be just about to leave work
[02:03] <Burgwork> ya, pretty son
[02:24] <jsgotangco> have a good weekend all :)
[03:26] <robotgeek> howdy KingBahamut 
[07:08] <robotgeek> incoming 
[07:09] <Madpilot> hmm?
[07:09] <robotgeek> Madpilot: patches for Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[07:09] <Madpilot> cool - I've got Ub Desktop Guide patch out that hasn't been applied yet
[07:10] <Madpilot> probably a dumb question, but what's the difference between a .diff & a .patch?
[07:10] <crimsun> probably the same thing; I presume they're both unified diffs?
[07:11] <crimsun> file foo.diff; file foo.patch
[07:11] <robotgeek> crimsun: svn diff are the same?
[07:11] <crimsun> robotgeek: pretty much
[07:12] <robotgeek> mine are all svn diff's
[07:13] <Madpilot> robotgeek: I think mdke put a bunch of names in for commit - mine, yours, I think a few others
[07:13] <robotgeek> Madpilot: ah, that would be very nice
[07:14] <robotgeek> i am already coordinating work of 4 ppl
[07:14] <Madpilot> robotgeek: you made Membership, right?
[07:14] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i havent applied yet
[07:15] <Madpilot> ah - I'm not sure if commit access is given to non-members
[07:15] <Madpilot> but if you put your name down, you'll get in, I'm sure of it
[07:15] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. i think i'll apply
[07:16] <robotgeek> the next meeting will be on 21'st
[07:17] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda doesn't have the next meeting date listed, robotgeek - which page are you looking at?
[07:18] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i assumed they were 2 weeks apart?
[07:19] <Madpilot> give or take a few days, from what I've seen - like the DocTeam meetings
[07:19] <robotgeek> hmm, i hope it's not going to be the 18th
[07:20] <Madpilot> ah, next DocTeam meeting is listed as being tomorrow, but no time set... blah
[07:22] <robotgeek> either 4/5 utc, if i read the chart correctly
[07:22] <Madpilot> 0400UTC?
[07:23] <LaserJock> Madpilot: just commited your patch
[07:23] <robotgeek> yeah, i guess. which means that I might have actually missed the meeting?
[07:23] <Madpilot> LaserJock: thanks
[07:24] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingTimes
[10:08] <jsgotangco> hmmm mepis has this nice userguide downloadable as pdf
[10:08] <rob> :)
[10:11] <jsgotangco> bleah here's a copy of People
[10:22] <rob> does the wiki have a "licence"?
[10:22] <rob> I can't remember what the outcome of that discussion was
[10:26] <rob> wiki = what licence?
[10:27] <Madpilot> have we decided on one yet?
[10:27] <Madpilot> there was talk of just PD'ing the whole thing
[10:27] <rob> I always assumed the same as the docs, but I can't find it written on there anywhere that it is
[10:28] <rob> this worries me:
[10:28] <rob> The website HTML, text, images audio, video, software or other content that is made available on this website are the property of someone - the author in the case of content produced elsewhere and reproduced here with permission, or Canonical or its content suppliers. Before you use this content in some way please take care to ensure that you have the relevant rights and permissions from the copyright holder.
[10:28] <jsgotangco> there is no decision on that yet
[10:29] <rob> if I wanted to take parts of the wiki to add to a doc, I'd have to get the permission from anyone whos edited the page from the sounds of that
[10:29] <Madpilot> rob: where's that from?
[10:29] <rob> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal
[10:29] <dsas> rob: that's right
[10:29] <manicka> what time is the doc-team meeting?
[10:29] <rob> wheres mdke when you need him? :)
[10:29] <Madpilot> hmm, that's messy...
[10:30] <rob> oh, is there a meeting soon?
[10:30] <dsas> there's a spec about it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing
[10:30] <Madpilot> there's a meeting mentioned for today - Saturday Feb 11 - but no actual time mentioned...
[10:30] <rob> ocuh
[10:30] <rob> s/ocuh/ouch
[10:30] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
[10:32] <manicka> aren't they usually 1400 or 2200
[10:33] <rob> the only agenda item:
[10:33] <rob> #
[10:33] <rob> Use of common files for a number of documents. For example, preface.xml and getting-help.xml should be common between all documents. (mdke)
[10:33] <rob> #
[10:34] <rob> could be a quiet one
[10:34] <jsgotangco> because no one bothered to follow up on things in the wiki after the last meeting (which i wasn't around since it was 6am)
[10:36] <Madpilot> can we at least decide when the meeting is going to be? if it's 1400UTC that's in less than 5 hours, and I need some sleep before then...
[10:37] <rob> I might be awake
[10:37] <jsgotangco> nahhh i'll just set up a meeting on the 17th
[10:38] <rob> ?
[10:40] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[10:46] <mdke> Madpilot, rob, the wiki will be in the public domain
[10:46] <rob> hi mdke 
[10:46] <mdke> hello
[10:47] <mdke> what's up?
[10:47] <rob> but what about https://www.ubuntu.com/legal
[10:47] <mdke> that's for the website
[10:47] <rob> not according to that
[10:47] <jsgotangco> mdke, the question is "when" we've already talked about this moving to PD for a while
[10:47] <mdke> jsgotangco, it hasn't been done yet
[10:47] <rob> but a link to that is displayed on the wiki on every page also
[10:48] <jsgotangco> who/what group is responsible for such
[10:49] <mdke> rob, yeah, but the copyright section of that page doesn't apply I would say. there is only a link because of the trademark stuff
[10:49] <mdke> the copyright section specifically refers to "this website"
[10:49] <mdke> it's not ideally phrased tho
[10:50] <rob> but couldn't one argue that the wiki is part of the web site, it looks just like the rest of the website
[10:50] <rob> in fact, if you didn't know better on first glance you might assume it is
[10:50] <mdke> one could yes
[10:51] <jsgotangco> mdke, i think you're the most qualified to tackle this based on your profession imo
[10:51] <mdke> ok, well it's not ideal as rob says
[10:51] <mdke> but bottom line, it's all irrelevant unless you're going to use some of the wiki material for commercial purposes
[10:52] <rob> hmm..
[10:53] <mdke> is Madpilot awake?
[10:53] <Madpilot> mdke: mostly
[10:54] <mdke> yay
[10:54] <mdke> Madpilot, any idea on Corey's plans for the weekend, he said he might not have internet access?
[10:55] <Madpilot> mdke: he doesn't at his new place; he might be at his girlfriend's, though, which does have
[10:55] <mdke> ah right
[10:55] <rob> nice, go to visit the gf just to bludge off her internet connection :)
[10:56] <mdke> Madpilot, thanks for the patch btw
[10:56] <Madpilot> rob: pretty much - worse, it's the neighbours unsecured wireless :D
[10:56] <rob> hahaha
[10:56] <rob> nice!
[10:57] <mdke> i wonder if we really need "automatically turn on NUM lock when GNOME starts"
[10:57] <mdke> doesn't that happen properly nowadays?
[10:58] <rob> mdke, whats the status of the meeting?
[10:58] <Madpilot> it didn't in Breezy, mdke - has that changed for Dapper?
[10:58] <mdke> rob, no idea, I didn't know where was one today
[10:58] <mdke> Madpilot, dunno, I only have laptops
[10:58] <rob> according to the page there is, no time listed though
[10:59] <mdke> jerome, any idea?
[10:59] <jsgotangco> i dunno who edited the page
[10:59] <jsgotangco> but if we had a meeting that was supposed to be hours ago at 14utc because the last was 22
[10:59] <rob> last edited 2006-02-08 15:43:49 by MatthewEast
[10:59] <mdke> that was me adding an item
[11:00] <rob> :)
[11:00] <Madpilot> 14UTC on Saturday is 4hrs from now, jsgotangco
[11:00] <jsgotangco> saturday?
[11:00] <mdke> jsgotangco, it says the 11th
[11:00] <Madpilot> 14UTC on the 11th, anyway, whatever day that happens to be for people... :P
[11:00] <mdke> it was Naaman i think, he might have got the wrong date
[11:01] <jsgotangco> guys let's just move it to the 17th or on a saturday
[11:01] <jsgotangco> i think it's too soon to declare a meeting in a few hours
[11:01] <mdke> rob, btw, did you notice that in yelp, xrefs go to the top of the nearest sect1, rather than to the precise section? any idea if that can be improved?
[11:01] <mdke> jsgotangco, agreed
[11:02] <rob> maybe, though olinks
[11:02] <jsgotangco> and please add yourself in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingTimes
[11:05] <rob> the moin code behind that table is horrod
[11:05] <Madpilot> tables in moin markup are fairly horrid anyway
[11:06] <Madpilot> actually, tables in any markup - including HTML - are horrid...
[11:06] <rob> not true, mediawiki is ok for simple tables
[11:08] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:08] <jsgotangco> but we love horrid syntax
[11:09] <Madpilot> heh - DocBook, anyone? 
[11:09] <jsgotangco> moin tables are supposed to be simple but it becomes too complicated when you make it look like a spreadsheet
[11:13] <rob> hmm
[11:13] <rob> I can't log in to the wiki
[11:14] <rob> it keeps telling me my password is wrong, even though I just reset it
[11:14] <jsgotangco> it must be som LP voodoo at work
[11:14] <rob> dodgy LP
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i can edit though
[11:29] <mdke> hi mpt 
[11:35] <jsgotangco> Build instructions for Songbird 0.1 Proof-of-Concept:
[11:35] <jsgotangco> Step 1. Don't.
[11:36] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:39] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: honest compiling instructions, at least
[11:39] <jsgotangco> it looks hot though
[01:39] <jsgotangco> jdub, august 18-19
[11:22] <LaserJock> mdke: is it ok for me to  apply patches from the mailing list?
[11:23] <LaserJock> I feel kind of bad watching peoples patches just sit there when I can easily apply them
[11:23] <mdke> LaserJock, yes, although normally it's best to leave things to whoever takes care of the particular doc. So, I'll always leave kubuntu stuff to jjesse
[11:24] <LaserJock> yeah, I just see that at times you guys are really busy or away and I would like to help if I can :-)
[11:24] <mdke> sure, that's cool
[11:24] <LaserJock> but I don't want to step on any toes or get in the way
[11:25] <mdke> no problem
[11:25] <mdke> with Madpilot's patches, they can be applied straight away
[11:25] <mdke> he only doesn't have commit access because he lost his gpg passphrase
[11:26] <LaserJock> I see
[11:26] <Madpilot> ...and I haven't heard from anyone yet regarding access with my new gpg key... :P