[12:47] <Kyral> Guys I have a question about the UVF
[12:47] <crimsun> shoot.
[12:48] <Kyral> Okay, remember GTKEdit?
[12:48] <Kyral> Upstream just emailed me and said he would be releasing a new version soon
[12:48] <slomo_> Kyral: rule number 1: don't say you have a question... ask the question :P
[12:48] <Kyral> Now do I have to file a UVF Exception for it?
[12:48] <crimsun> I'm going to take a guess that you want to file a UVF exception
[12:48] <slomo_> Kyral: yes
[12:49] <Kyral> okay
[01:00] <Kyral> Maybe I should calm down first
[01:01] <LaserJock> Kyral: calm down from what?
[01:02] <Kyral> Nothing, just me in a social funk
[01:02] <Kyral> It doesn't concern any of you
[01:02] <Lathiat> whos lukas fittl on irc?
[01:02] <LaserJock> FSF membership not doing it for you? ;-)
[01:02] <Kyral> ..Can it LJ..
[01:02] <LaserJock> Lathiat: lfittl
[01:02] <Kyral> I'm happy to support the FSF
[01:03] <Kyral> I just don't want it to be my entire life
[01:03] <LaserJock> I'm glad you are too, I just had to make a stupid, sarcastic joke to liven the mood
[01:03] <Kyral> Lets put it this way, I'd rather wind up well adjusted like Linus then to wind up like RMS
[01:05] <LaserJock> Kyral: I didn't know Linus was well adjusted *grin*
[01:05] <slomo_> ..well adjusted... :)
[01:05] <Kyral> He has a wife + kids
[01:05] <Kyral> better than RMS can say :P
[01:06] <slomo_> hm, it's a matter of priority imho ;)
[01:07] <Kyral> If I had to choose between the best damn Hacker on the planet and having a family, I'd chose having a family
[01:07] <Kyral> Even if it meant I could never touch code again
[01:08] <LaserJock> hmm, I prefer both
[01:09] <slomo_> and i would prefer only a girlfriend over a whole family ;)
[01:09] <Kyral> slomo_: you have to understand, I'm Italian. I grew up around a massive extended family
[01:09] <slomo_> LaserJock: btw, stupid, sarcastic jokes are always good... as well as sarcasm :) it makes life more interesting
[01:10] <Kyral> I may delude myself and thikn I like to live alone, but at the end of the day its me alone curled up in my bed
[01:12] <slomo_> but well... a whole family could me more annoying than one person ;)
[01:14] <LaserJock> I suppose it depends on the family
[01:29] <dolson> argh, this is frustrating
[01:31] <LaserJock> yes it is, I don't even know what your talking about :-)
[01:41] <dolson> LaserJock: sorry, heh...
[01:42] <dolson> I'm working on a script, and I'm having some issues with it. I am storing some stuff into a variable, APPLIST, and then trying to make Zenity display it in a list
[01:42] <dolson> problem is, Zenity sees all the spaces and ignores the "s
[01:44] <crimsun> what's the value of $APPLIST?
[01:46] <dolson> well, I've tried a lot of different ones.. it's a loop that pulls info out of all the .desktop files in the Audio category. I've tried enclosing app names and descriptions in double quotes, single quotes,  no quotes, but it doesn't put the columns properly
[01:47] <dolson> I tried delimiting the spaces in the descriptions and names as well
[01:49] <crimsun> pastebin your script somewhere?
[01:51] <dolson> crimsun: here it is as I have it now: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8462
[02:08] <dolson> I guess my scripting is really bad :)
[02:57] <zul> heylo
[02:59] <dolson> hi zul
[03:34] <bmonty> evening everyone
[03:37] <crimsun> dolson: got it
[03:37] <crimsun> dolson: you need to change $IFS
[03:38] <crimsun> dolson: you also need to change the way \"s are used, which means you can get rid of the sed expressions, too
[03:39] <crimsun> dolson: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8467
[03:39] <dolson> crimsun: right when I was giving up on this for the day, you say you figured it out. cool.. checking link now
[03:39] <crimsun> dolson: (note that I hard-coded "/usr/share/applications/")
[03:40] <dolson> ah, I left that out when I pasted it eh
[03:40] <crimsun> that's ok, that was just a local hack
[03:41] <dolson> crimsun:  thanks a lot man! I never even heard of $IFS before, this is great.. thanks for helping me out with this
[03:42] <crimsun> np
[03:42] <crimsun> dolson: this was the clincher: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/quotingvar.html#FTN.AEN2024
[03:42] <crimsun> dolson: "word splitting"
[03:45] <crimsun> out for the evening
[03:45] <dolson> take care... and thanks again
[04:37] <gus> yo
[04:53] <dolson> hi gus
[04:59] <gus> hi dolson
[05:01] <gus> hey dolson did ya try installing vmware-player ?
[06:04] <moonade> i have some apt-get / openssh issues and some openssh issues... i get a "S20ssh" file instead of a symlink in /etc/rc2.d (which i have to manually delete); unless i restart computer, i can't access openssh. it either does not run (and says "Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer"), or it simply "unexpectedly" refuses any connection. the two problems seem to be connected to one another, as they only occur together.
[06:04] <moonade> also, they might be triggered by my attempts to connect to the ssh server from a logical networking card (from both qemu and vmware).
[06:05] <moonade> "from both qemu and vmware" != "when using qemu and vmware symultaneously"
[06:07] <moonade> i would also want to know if there's anyone here.
[06:07] <moonade> :)
[06:11] <crimsun> yes, but many people are away
[06:11] <crimsun> (I'm on the 'phone)
[06:11] <moonade> crimsun: please consider this when you can take some time
[06:14] <dolson> gus: nope, sorry
[06:15] <dolson> gus: sorry for the hour+ delay in my reply... I went for coffee with a buddy
[06:22] <crimsun> moonade: breezy?
[06:23] <moonade> crimsun: yes. forgot to mention.
[06:23] <crimsun> 1:4.1p1-7ubuntu4?
[06:24] <moonade> crimsun: yes. latest.
[06:24] <crimsun> moonade: and you're missing /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh?
[06:25] <moonade> crimsun: it gets replaced by the file itself (or another file? haven't checked)
[06:26] <moonade> crimsun: then i remove the file and manually create the symlink to /etc/init.d/ssh
[06:26] <moonade> crimsun: then the apt-get install / remove processes work just fine, until trying to access openssh again.
[06:26] <crimsun> moonade: no, remove your manually created symlink, then execute: update-rc.d ssh defaults
[06:27] <moonade> update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh is not a link to ../init.d/ssh
[06:27] <moonade>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/ssh already exist.
[06:28] <crimsun> remove them with -f
[06:28] <crimsun> update-rc.d -f remove ssh
[06:28] <crimsun> err, syntax flipped
[06:28] <crimsun> update-rc.d -f ssh remove
[06:29] <moonade> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/ssh exists during rc.d purge (continuing)
[06:29] <moonade>  Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/ssh ...
[06:29] <moonade> update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh is not a link to ../init.d/ssh
[06:29] <moonade>    /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh is not a link to ../init.d/ssh; not removing
[06:29] <crimsun> um...
[06:29] <crimsun> what is the symlink, then?
[06:30] <moonade> @S20ssh actually *does* point to "/etc/init.d/ssh"
[06:30] <crimsun> that's incorrect, which is why update-rc.d is barfing
[06:30] <crimsun> it _must_ be ../init.d/ssh
[06:30] <moonade> oh...
[06:30] <moonade> it need is relative?!
[06:30] <crimsun> crimsun@mika:~$ ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*ssh*
[06:30] <crimsun> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 13 2005-04-13 15:31 /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh -> ../init.d/ssh
[06:32] <moonade> *(it needs it relative?!)
[06:32] <crimsun> yes, it _must_
[06:32] <crimsun> that's the way update-rc.d works
[06:33] <moonade> right
[06:34] <moonade> update-rc.d ssh defaults
[06:34] <moonade>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/ssh already exist.
[06:35] <crimsun> did you remove all the ones that you manually created, then run -f ssh remove, then run that command?
[06:37] <moonade> i did
[06:38] <crimsun> you've got dangling symlinks in /etc/ for ssh, then
[06:39] <moonade> no, i meant "i just did it"
[06:39] <moonade> (after you told me)
[06:39] <moonade> now all of them are added
[06:40] <moonade> still says "Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer"
[06:40] <crimsun> that's not an ssh issue; now you're hitting networking issues w/ vmware/qemu
[06:41] <moonade> crimsun: no, i can't even ssh into the ssh server
[06:41] <moonade> crimsun: ... from the very box i am on
[06:41] <moonade> crimsun: forget about vmware or qemu
[06:41] <moonade> crimsun: on default setup and no borked firewall
[06:41] <crimsun> iptables active? How about tcp wrappers setting?
[06:42] <moonade> crimsun: i never played with either the iptables or hosts.deny (etc.) settings...
[06:43] <moonade> crimsun: and i don't think vmware and qemu would play with them in the same way
[06:43] <crimsun> but is there an active iptables ruleset?
[06:43] <crimsun> furthermore, we need to migrate this to #ubuntu
[06:43] <moonade> crimsun: yes, there is one... i am using firestarter, after all
[06:43] <moonade> crimsun: but i get the same results on firestarter firewall stop
[06:43] <crimsun> -> #ubuntu
[06:43] <persia> I'd like to clean up the lists on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/NoDesktopFile to match the current archives, as there has been significant improvement since it was first created.  Could anyone suggest a better method than for each $i in dpkg -l * do apt-file list | grep menu.... to update this?  I'm hoping there's a nifty method involving grep-dctrl or something.
[06:45] <crimsun> moonade: /join #ubuntu, this is the wrong channel
[06:46] <moonade> i guess it's not the wrong channel. i suspect the problem is not qemu- or vmware-specific (why should they coincide?); also, i suspect it's not a server-related; neither could it be a connectivity problem. i master them quite well and i honestly don't think i'll get a magical solution in #ubuntu.
[06:47] <crimsun> moonade: no, I'm in #ubuntu. This channel is MOTU-specific (RE: discussion), and since this is not MOTU-related, I'm migrating it.
[06:47] <moonade> crimsun: i think it's a problem with the way ubuntu deals with logical networking cards
[06:47] <moonade> i see
[07:03] <zakame> hi motus
[07:03] <LaserJock> hi zakame
[07:04] <zakame> hey LaserJock
[07:06] <crimsun> 'lo
[07:07] <zakame> gaah brownout again here :( resorting to go to net cafes just to hack :/
[07:08] <crimsun> ouch
[07:09] <crimsun> I used to pay $6/hr at airports to ssh in
[07:09] <crimsun> had putty on a usb thumb drive and all
[07:17] <dolson> hi persia... do you make packages at all?
[07:18] <persia> I don't, but I make patches & desktop files.  I've mostly been working on desktop files, as I want my menus nice.  About the above - I found a solution using the Contents.gz.
[07:19] <dolson> persia: ok, I was just wondering why you didn't up the seq24 fix to REVU, that's all :)
[07:20] <persia> dolson: I'm just too lazy to register.  If you don't mind uploading, I've a heap of bugs with supplemental files or patches ready, and I'm not concerned about changelog credit.  Take a look at my subscribed list in Malone.
[07:22] <crimsun> do you plan to apply for membership or MOTUship?
[07:22] <dolson> persia: that's awesome. to be honest, I only got into packaging a couple days ago and my main concern is music stuff. the fact that seq24 is currently uninstallable is what made me discover your two open bugs, and so I noticed there was no man page, so I learned how to write those too and did the upload
[07:22] <crimsun> those changelogs come into play then
[07:22] <persia> crimsun: Not any time soon, but I like to help out.
[07:23] <zakame> persia : ooh, rock on then! just keep track of your touched packages in your wikipage then ;)
[07:23] <dolson> persia: I have been in discussions through email with mark and some of his team about things that would make ubuntu great for musicians
[07:24] <persia> crimsun: just to check, membership or MOTUship just gives me the right to upload, right?  Are there any plans to restrict Wiki or Malone access?  I don't think I need anything else for the sort of work I usually do (and I like having someone check things before they are uploaded).
[07:26] <persia> dolson: Cool!  I'd like to see more integration.  My personal pet peeve is that jack & ALSA won't play nice with dmix with the default asound configuration.  I don't do professional work, but would it make sense to use dmix as an ALSA input, and route that through JACK by default to make the JACK apps easier to start / configure / etc.?
[07:27] <persia> zakame: Do you know a way to track closed Malone bugs?  There's some history I'd need to recover :)
[07:27] <dolson> persia: I don't even know what dmix is yet. I just started getting into this stuff late january when I set up my wiki. I hadn't even touched JACK or anything other than Audacity until very recently
[07:30] <persia> dolson: dmix is an ALSA input plug that allows multiple clients to request the same output.  It allows software mixing without running a sound daemon.  My memory is that it used to be hidden in the libasound2 docs, but later moved to be default for Ubuntu, although sound servers seem to be coming back into fashion in order to support XTerms...
[07:33] <dolson> persia: Is this only good for sound cards that don't already support this? because I'm pretty sure the emu10k devices support that, as I've never had any issues
[07:35] <dolson> from what I'm reading on the ALSA page, it sounds like it's a replacement for the various sound daemons, including JACK. I don't know how it would benefit someone trying to record stuff with a few softsynths running and trying to record them into Ardour, for example
[07:35] <persia> dolson: You're probably using dmix already.  If you have time (and want to learn more), start with /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.  At least on my system, this eventually uses dmix.
[07:38] <crimsun> persia: anyone can feed patches, but only ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-core-dev can upload
[07:38] <persia> dolson: ALSA dmix is *not* a replacement for JACK.  JACK allows low-latency routing between applications, HW, etc.  There are no restrictions about startpoints and endpoints.  ALSA controls the sound HW, and allows basic configuration, but it is not very good for connecting your MIDI master device to a softsynth, and routing this and your virtual drum machine to different tracks in ardour for mixing and effects processing.
[07:38] <crimsun> dmix was made default as of ALSA 1.0.9 for most cards
[07:39] <dolson> doesn't appear in the EMU10K1.conf file, but it is in the EMU10K1X.conf file
[07:39] <crimsun> I'm utterly of the opinion that dmix shouldn't enter into the picture for jack, but that's just my $0.02
[07:39] <dolson> it's not in the Audigy2.conf either
[07:39] <persia> crimsun: That's what I thought.  No worries then - I usually get distracted by something else before I reach more than about 1200 Karma, and end up dropping to <200 before I come back.  The gaps interfere with communication too much for me to be confident uploading.
[07:40] <crimsun> dolson: that's because emu10k1 supports pcm multiplexing, thus obviating dmix and dsnoop
[07:40] <crimsun> dolson: on the other hand, emu10k1x (dell's hack of emu10k1) and ca0106 don't
[07:40] <dolson> I figured as much
[07:40] <dolson> persia:  what hardware do you have?
[07:41] <persia> crimsun: Is there a reason why ALSA shouldn't accept everything to dmix, and send it as a jack client for processing (or dropping), as the user likes?  It's frustrating to kill all the supplementary sound using programs when in a jack session, when they could just be muted or dmix temporarily disconnected.
[07:41] <crimsun> persia: what you're asking is an architectural question, and honestly, I don't think jack is the answer for it
[07:42] <persia> dolson: I'm currently using ICE1724 for sound.
[07:42] <persia> crimsun: You're probably right.  I've not found a configuration that frees me from thinking about audio subsystems yet :)
[07:42] <crimsun> dmix doesn't need to be "disconnected" in that sense; as soon as jackd grabs hw:X,Y, dmix is bypassed
[07:43] <zakame> persia : you said erlier you subscribed to some bugs,
[07:43] <crimsun> (just as any app grabbing oss emulation /dev/dsp* bypasses dmix)
[07:43] <zakame> gaa my spelling :/
[07:44] <persia> crimsun: I've not made myself clear.  The libasound2-plugins package contains a jack plugin, which would allow dmix to be routed through JACK, if desired.  I'm taking only about this.
[07:45] <dolson> persia: I see you are subscribed to a lot of audio apps
[07:45] <persia> zakame: https://launchpad.net/people/persia/+subscribedbugs.  The desktop or menu bugs are most likely to contain stealable patches.  Not all patches are mine.
[07:46] <crimsun> persia: oh, that foul piece
[07:47] <persia> dolson: There were a lot of universe packages that missed the last jack transition.  I like to keep them installed, and suggested changes that would allow them to work with the new jack.
[07:47] <persia> crimsun: Yes.  It doesn't work so well today, but I've been experimenting, hoping I could come up with a configuration that would allow me to forget about the details, and just run apps.
[07:49] <dolson> persia: as I mentioned, I am hoping that I can help contribute to make audio better. if they are missing desktop files, then my launcher script won't detect them, so I think it's important as well to get them in. I can work to get them patched and uploaded to REVU, and if there are missing man pages, I would write some basic ones up as well.
[07:49] <crimsun> there are a couple lower-level details that I feel would be better resolved first, like eliding hw:{X,Y,...} into virtuals so that a user doesn't have to think of discrete devices
[07:50] <crimsun> I haven't had much time to think of how Van Jacobson's latest LCA TCP channels talk could be applied
[07:51] <dolson> persia: I convinced someone else named forest to try getting his packages into ubuntu as well because I don't want to use 3rd party repositories (just don't like them). I see he upped DSSI to REVU yesterday too
[07:52] <persia> crimsun: That would certainly make more of a difference, but requires more coding effort, as opposed to configuration effort.
[07:52] <crimsun> persia: yeah, but ultimately we can only hack so much configuration onto it
[07:52] <dolson> a lot of people who visit my wiki email me and suggest I set up a repository, and I think that's the wrong approach
[07:53] <dolson> I get emailed checkinstalled packages of things like ardour.. lol. doesn't even have dependencies, conflicts, etc
[07:54] <persia> dolson: Best of luck with things.  If you haven't already, you might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Audio.  There's not been much activity lately, but it is more likely to draw attention and assistance.
[07:55] <dolson> persia: ah yeah, I emailed Jeff Buchbinder and he joined the wiki and said he wanted to help on stuff.. I will contact him again about this
[07:55] <persia> crimsun: This is only Ubuntu MOTU :)  Configuration is the key.  Real audio improvements (so we start seeing ALSA libs for the hardware effects processors, etc) require effort from another forum.
[07:56] <crimsun> of course, that's why I'm doing ALSA in another job :)
[07:57] <persia> crimsun: My apologies then.  Thank you for the efforts, as it does seem to have gotten better and easier over the past couple years.
[07:58] <crimsun> persia: it has only gotten better thanks to everyone's involvement
[07:59] <dolson> I hope rjo updates ardour soon.. I checked back and he has a history of updating the packages in <7 days, avg. about 3 days
[08:00] <persia> dolson: Ubuntu is in an upstream version freeze.  It may take longer before updates flow, as they have to be investigated.
[08:01] <dolson> persia: I know.. crimsun mentioned that to me
[08:02] <dolson> there are a lot of little problems with 0.99 that were fixed in 0.99.1 though.. so I'm really hoping :)
[08:06] <Kyral> Anyone else have GRUB stop loading in the recent Dapper updates?
[08:07] <zakame> heya Kyral
[08:08] <Kyral> hjey
[08:08] <Kyral> Its like stupid
[08:08] <crimsun> boots fine here
[08:08] <Kyral> It starts to load, but then panics saying it cannot find /dev/hda2
[08:08] <Kyral> Which I have verified is there
[08:09] <Kyral> Ah screw it
[08:09] <Kyral> I cannot deal with it now
[08:09] <Kyral> I need sleep
[08:10] <Kyral> I'll mess with it later
[08:20] <zakame> hmm geg doesn't seem to install its pixmaps :/
[08:29] <dolson> crimsun: I finished my launcher script, thanks for your help
[08:29] <crimsun> np
[08:29] <crimsun> off to bed
[08:29] <dolson> nn
[08:57] <fbond> Hi
[08:57] <fbond> my package is in REVU, and is marked as "Needs Work"
[08:57] <fbond> linda has apparently complained that it "Linda: Unable to find a suitable .mo file!"
[08:58] <fbond> I'm not able to find much information on what would trigger this
[08:58] <fbond> any ideas?
[08:58] <fbond> could there be some other reason it "Needs Work"?
[09:21] <dolson> fbond: hey
[09:21] <dolson> fbond: I asked that yesterday, and someone told me to not worry about it.. can't remember who it was, but someone who knows more than I do
[09:25] <dolson> wow, I am so tired that I am forgetting where the # is on my keyboard :\
[10:28] <Lathiat> man that sthe second time i've collided with one of fittls uploads
[10:28] <Lathiat> heh
[10:29] <Lathiat> wow down to 186 uninstallables
[10:29] <Lathiat> was 230 yesterday
[10:32] <persia> Lathiat: What's the easiest way to find the list of uninstallables?  I'm up for chasing a few :)
[10:39] <dolson> seq24 is still uninstallable :(
[10:41] <Lathiat> persia: apt-cache -i unmet|less
[10:41] <ajmitch> evening
[10:41] <Lathiat> hey aj	
[10:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch
[10:42] <Lathiat> :)
[10:44] <ajmitch> rather annoying :)
[10:46] <jsgotangco> ?
[10:46] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[10:47] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: lathiat will know :)
[10:48] <Lathiat> hehe
[10:49] <ajmitch> so what's up?
[10:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: you think your out of touch? :)
[10:59] <ajmitch> of course, I've been in australia for a couple of days now ;)
[10:59] <Lathiat> oh
[10:59] <Lathiat> cool
[10:59] <Lathiat> where bouts
[10:59] <ajmitch> brisbane
[11:03] <sivang> hi ajmitch  :)
[11:03] <sivang> >24 hours
[11:03] <sivang> wow
[11:04] <sivang> but being on irc doesn't neccessarily mean you know what's going on :)
[11:09] <sivang> ajmitch: that's a humbug meeting?
[11:09] <phanatic> hi people
[11:09] <ajmitch> sivang: what?
[11:11] <sivang> ajmitch: 09:44  * ajmitch is at a humbug meeting, tunnelling ssh via https
[11:11] <sivang> :-)
[11:15] <ajmitch> sivang: lookup humbug & brisbane on google
[11:15] <ajmitch> and then you'll see
[11:15] <persia> Lathiat: Thanks.  I see 333 uninstallables, though :(
[11:16] <sivang> ajmitch: ah cool, and powered by php ;-)
[11:17] <sivang> ajmitch: would you be able to help me out with a threading design question?
[11:20] <ajmitch> sivang: possibly, though I'm certianly no expert on it
[11:20] <ajmitch> since I rarely use threading
[11:20] <sivang> ajmitch: Well, would be good to have any feedback :)
[11:21] <sivang> I have 1 function that calcs directory size if instantiated with something like "$dirpath"
[11:21] <sivang> s/function/class/
[11:22] <sivang> and another class that uses this class, to create an array of ["$dirpath",size]  per each non system user home
[11:22] <sivang> currently instantiation is the calucaltion trigger
[11:22] <sivang> (you can glance at it in http://mercury.linuxguru.net/~sivan/home-user-backup/ , do a 'branch' since I'm not using rsync to push)
[11:22] <sivang> the module is fsInfo.py
[11:23] <sivang> now, I want to be able to run calcs in background, and block the gui only on progress indication,
[11:23] <sivang> that is user cannot do anything, but he can see progress being made in a small progress window
[11:25] <sivang> mvo suggested to use a threading contoller module, which is fine, however, I feel something must be changed / merged between DirInfo and UserHomesInfo for that to be possible
[11:26] <sivang> since now, the code the calac is ouside UserHomesInfo , which is a problem if UserHomesInfo is the one that's gonna be threaded in the gui
[11:26] <ajmitch> ok, I haven't had enough caffiene to think about this (in a room with many noisy people)
[11:27] <gus> hi master of puppets ;)
[11:27] <sivang> ajmitch: heh :)
[11:28] <sivang> ajmitch: understood, anywhoo, shall you have an opinion or insight, just let me know, I'm going to experiment with several approaches
[11:36] <jsgotangco> Build instructions for Songbird 0.1 Proof-of-Concept:
[11:36] <jsgotangco> Step 1. Don't.
[11:38] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:53] <sivang> this is nice, constructing smart dictionaries in python that also has extra methods but seem regular dicts when referenced as such
[12:16] <phanatic|away> hey raphink :)
[12:16] <phanatic|away> hey Gloubiboulga
[12:16] <Gloubiboulga> hello phanatic|away
[12:16] <Gloubiboulga> hi everyone
[12:20] <raphink> hi Gloubiboulga
[12:20] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> hello all
[12:30] <Gloubiboulga> hello Tonio_
[12:38] <raphink> et voil encore trois francophones qui se parlent en anglais `parceque c'est la langue du chan`
[12:45] <Gloubiboulga> :D
[12:45] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, tu t'es lev du pied gauche ce matin ? ;)
[12:45] <raphink> ben non
[12:45] <raphink> c'est juste une remarque
[12:45] <raphink> :)
[12:46] <raphink> je prpare un ubuntu-dev french team take-over
[12:46] <raphink> hehe
[12:46] <Gloubiboulga> hh
[12:46] <raphink> on est bien parti l ;)
[12:51] <Tonio_> okay, on dclare "the french channel day" ?
[12:52] <raphink> huhu
[12:52] <Tonio_> perso, je le sens bien comme ca ;)
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell parle un peu franais, et les autres, bah ils vont apprendre :)
[12:54] <Riddell> oui
[12:56] <raphink> a va Riddell ?
[12:57] <Riddell> tres bien merci
[12:57] <raphink> :)
[12:58] <raphink> c'est #ubuntu-motu-fr ici aujourd'hui :)
[12:58] <raphink> je propose que tous les jours on change de langue
[12:58] <raphink> sur ce chan
[12:58] <raphink> demain on fait une journe en allemand
[12:58] <raphink> pour nos confrres germaniques
[12:58] <raphink> :)
[01:00] <raphink> yop apachelogger
[01:01] <apachelogger> hi raphink :-)
[01:12] <Tonio_> lodlu apachelogger
[01:12] <Riddell> je voudrais un jour pour ecossais s'il vous plais
[01:13] <raphink> ah
[01:13] <raphink> si tu veux Riddell :)
[01:14] <ogra> quoi ? le jour de cannel franais ? non ! attendez pour dholbach !!!
[01:15] <raphink> :)
[01:15] <ogra> (he will be very diasappionted to miss it ;) )
[01:15] <Riddell> ah, c'est vrai, dholbach est francais
[01:15] <raphink> dholbach est franais ???
[01:16] <Mithrandir> ogra: Multiple exclamation marks, he went on, shaking his head, are a sure sign of a diseased mind. -- Terry Pratchett, Eric
[01:16] <Mithrandir> :-)
[01:16] <ogra> *g*
[01:17] <Riddell> raphink: oui. il est maintenant.  nous avons decide
[01:17] <raphink> Riddell: ahah ok :)
[01:17] <ogra> son couer est franais :)
[01:17] <ogra> ergh
[01:17] <ogra> coeur
[01:18] <Tonio_> bonjour ogra
[01:18] <raphink> :)
[01:18] <ogra> bonjour Tonio_ :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> raphink: daniel est allemand
[01:18] <raphink> oui je sais Tonio_ ;)
[01:18] <raphink> mais Riddell a dcid qu'il tait franais aujourd'hui
[01:19] <Tonio_> raphink: ah! d'accord ;)
[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: je fais le patch pour bluez-utils aujourd'hui
[01:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: ooh, supercool
[01:22] <Tonio_> ;)
[01:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: tu as dcid si knemo serait par dfaut avec dapper ou pas ?
[01:25] <Riddell> bof, je sais pas.  jr regarderai quand il y a un bon knemorc
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: j'ai fait un knemorc dans kubuntu-default settings, je t'envois le fichier ?
[01:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: oui, avec les autre kubuntu-default fichiers
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, mais ce n'est pas fini pour le moment, je prfre prciser ;)
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: le mail est parti
[01:32] <Toadstool> bonjour les MOTUs francophones ^^
[01:32] <Tonio_> Toadstool: salut !
[01:32] <Toadstool> j'ai cru que je m'tais tromp de chan quand j'ai lu les derniers logs :p
[01:33] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:42] <Gloubiboulga> hmm
[01:42] <Gloubiboulga> glade a des problmes il me semble
[02:57] <raphink> bah voil, on fait un french day et du coup personne ne parle ;)
[02:58] <zakame> hi MOTUs :D
[02:58] <raphink> zakame: hi :)
[02:58] <Yagisan> raphink: um - about the only word I understood was french
[02:58] <raphink> lol
[02:58] <Toadstool> hh raphink, j'aurais bien dis des trucs, mais de l  ce que ce soit intelligent... :p
[02:58] <Yagisan> hi zakame
[02:59] <raphink> Toadstool: hehe
[02:59] <ogra> Yagisan, il est  le jour de channel franais
[02:59] <raphink> :)
[02:59] <Toadstool> :D
[02:59] <zakame> heya raphink Yagisan :D
[02:59] <ogra> du ? ou "de" ?
[02:59] <Yagisan> ogra: 
[02:59] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:59] <raphink> ogra: plutot du ;)
[02:59] <raphink> Yagisan: entirely agreed
[03:00] <ogra> Yagisan, :)
[03:00] <raphink> sistpoty: hi
[03:00] <Yagisan> ;)
[03:00] <sistpoty> hi raphink
[03:00] <Toadstool> hi sistpoty
[03:00] <sistpoty> hi ogra
[03:00] <ogra> hi sistpoty
[03:00] <sistpoty> hi Toadstool
[03:00] <sistpoty> Toadstool: sorry, didn't have time yet to review your package
[03:00] <Toadstool> no problem sistpoty
[03:00] <raphink> Yagisan: !
[03:02] <zakame> gaah, ano bang nangyayari dito?  Kanya-kanya atang wika ah...
[03:02] <Yagisan> raphink:  ? (I hope that's right)
[03:03] <raphink> Yagisan: shaden, da ich nich Korean sprechen kann
[03:03] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: I'm just looking at the ocaml-patches
[03:03] <raphink> s/nich/nicht/
[03:03] <Toadstool> now I'm a little lost, at least when you guys were all speaking english, I could pretend I understand your MOTU language but now... :p
[03:03] <Gloubiboulga> hey sistpoty
[03:03] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: if you change anything other the debian/changelog, it's not a rebuild
[03:03] <raphink> zakame: oh really ?
[03:03] <sistpoty> hi Gloubiboulga btw ;)
[03:04] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, hum...
[03:04] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: and the change of build-deps to a stricter ocaml-nox is not really necessary, since there is only one ocaml-nox (or ocaml) in dapper
[03:04] <Yagisan> raphink: 
[03:04] <raphink> Yagisan: mhm :)
[03:04] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: if you don't mind, I'll just drop that part of your debdiffs and upload the rebuilds... ok?
[03:04] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, np
[03:05] <Gloubiboulga> there's just one package which needs more love :)
[03:05] <zakame> raphink: don't tell me you can grok tagalog? ;)
[03:05] <raphink> zakame: you'd have to teachme ;)
[03:05] <zakame> lol
[03:05] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: cairo-ocaml?
[03:05] <raphink> zakame: at least now I know it was tagalog
[03:05] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, mlgtk
[03:06] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: ah, didn't come to that one yet
[03:06] <zakame> raphink: that's `what's happening? Seems everybody's speaking their own language...'
[03:06] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, those packages are strange, really
[03:06] <sistpoty> hehe, yes
[03:07] <raphink> Yagisan: wanna count?
[03:07] <Gloubiboulga> some of them have rules to avoid hardcoding, but versions are hardcoded anyway
[03:08] <Yagisan> zakame: 
[03:08] <Yagisan> crap I stuffed if
[03:08] <Yagisan> it
[03:08] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, I'm testing the other packages, I'll soon tell you if they are all ok with a rebuild
[03:08] <freeflying> Yagisan: 
[03:08] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: ok, great!
[03:09] <Yagisan> zakame: 
[03:09] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: btw.: you'll need to modify the cairo-ocaml patch again
[03:09] <Gloubiboulga> ah
[03:09] <Gloubiboulga> what's the problem ?
[03:09] <Yagisan> freeflying:  ;)
[03:10] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: you can't rebuild debian/control file during build, this is considered evil... the rule in there is for convenience to just type make -f debian/whatevertheruleis and have control file updated
[03:10] <Yagisan> hmm - it is actually not so easy to type in gaim with an IME running
[03:10] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[03:10] <Yagisan> press "enter" to quickly while looking for the right character and you message is gone
[03:11] <Gloubiboulga> that's why they dropped the `ocamlinit' rule
[03:11] <zakame> Yagisan: watashi wa Firipinjin desu, Nihonjin dewa arimasen (heh I don't have input methods on ;)
[03:11] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: yes, I guess so
[03:12] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, actually mlgtk is ok, cairo-caml is the package which needs love ;)
[03:12] <Yagisan> brb - burglar in my car space - I'm going down to investigate
[03:13] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: it is?
[03:13] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: no, there are two distinct source-packages cairo-ocaml and mlgtk
[03:14] <Gloubiboulga> sistpoty, yes, I was wrong when I told you that mlgtk needs more attention
[03:14] <sistpoty> Gloubiboulga: ah... k
[03:16] <bert_> Anyone got Klik to work?
[03:19] <zakame> gaah
[03:19] <bert_> Didn't say hello because most times no one responds
[03:20] <freeflying> bert_: at least you'd give some useful information
[03:20] <Yagisan> re
[03:22] <Yagisan> scared him off. Little prick - there's broken glass everywhere now. Now my little girl can't play outside
[03:22] <Yagisan> dumb idiot even broke the security gates
[03:23] <bert_> Eh??
[03:24] <ogra> Yagisan, hope tha glass wasnt from your car ...
[03:24] <ogra> *the
[03:24] <Yagisan> ogra: I don't have a car - it was the "secure" building entrance that had the glass get busted
[03:25] <ogra> ah
[03:25] <Yagisan> ogra: neighbours car doesn't look so luck though :(
[03:25] <Yagisan> lucky
[03:25] <ogra> :(
[03:25] <Yagisan> bert_:  vandal/thief downstairs
[03:27] <Yagisan> note to would be thieves - don't have personalised number plates. Black car with NAR-OON plates, can't be too hard to find
[03:27] <ogra> heh
[03:27] <Yagisan> zakame: Filipino ?
[03:30] <zakame> Yagisan: yup
[03:32] <Yagisan> zakame: you understand Japanese ?
[03:34] <bert_> Haven't got a upstairs
[03:34] <zakame> Yagisan: I took up basic Nihongo at college :)
[04:04] <sealne> how important is debian/watch in a package?
[04:04] <Yagisan> sealne: new or existing package ?
[04:04] <azeem> it is not required, but recommended, I guess
[04:04] <ogra> you should use it if you can
[04:04] <sealne> Yagisan: new
[04:05] <sealne> its hosted on sf.net and nothing i've tried so far seems to work
[04:05] <Yagisan> sealne: If possible put one in then
[04:05] <Yagisan> sealne: I saw a thread about that on debian-mentors. Sorry can't find a link at the moment
[04:05] <azeem> sealne: there should be a template for sf watch files somewhere
[04:05] <ogra> in the watch.ex file there is a link to a script
[04:06] <ogra> and an explanation how to use it
[04:07] <sealne> ah, thats a different url from what had been sugested before
[04:09] <Toadstool> sealne: http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php?project=truc truc-(.+)\.tar\.gz
[04:11] <sealne> i had http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php?project=dcfldd dcfldd-(.*).tar.gz debian uupdate
[04:12] <sealne> every time i've asked about watch i get a different answer :)
[04:13] <zakame> try http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/dcfldd/dcfldd-(.*)\.tar\.gz debian uupdate
[04:13] <zakame> that works for me
[04:17] <sealne> so "http://people.debian.org/~lolando/sfdlr.php?project=dcfldd dcfldd-([\d.] *).tar.gz" or "http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php?project=dcfldd dcfldd-([\d.] *).tar.gz" or "http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/dcfldd/dcfldd-(.*)\.tar\.gz debian uupdate" ?? :)
[04:18] <Toadstool> i have got another one if you want :p
[04:18] <ogra> just pich the right one :P
[04:18] <ogra> *pick
[04:18] <Yagisan> zakame: can you read Japanese well ?
[04:19] <zakame> Yagisan: not really, but I'm trying to :)
[04:19] <sealne> prdownloads one would appear to not rely on another url continuing to exist so it seems "safer"?
[04:20] <Yagisan> zakame: I try too. My www site is being translated and I was wondering if you could read it
[04:27] <sistpoty> cya
[04:29] <zakame> Yagisan: ooh!
[04:34] <Yagisan> zakame: I'll that that as a yes. http://www.eyagiconsulting.com click on the little japan flags to get a translation.
[06:56] <raphink> when a package source builds various binaries, is there way to build only one ?
[06:56] <raphink> oh doh
[06:56] <raphink> don't answer that question
[06:56] <raphink> ;)
[11:05] <phanatic> hi people