[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: just emailed to you the fixed bluez-pin package, works nice here
[05:17] <freeflying> hi all
[05:17] <freeflying> anyone can have a look at this http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/200602121215.png
[05:17] <freeflying> and tell how about the display
[05:20] <robotgeek> freeflying: if you increase the font size, do the fonts go out of sync (especially the "i's" )
[05:21] <freeflying> robotgeek: dose this be acceptable to you 
[05:24] <freeflying> robotgeek: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/200602121223.png
[05:24] <robotgeek> freeflying: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i8482
[05:25] <robotgeek> freeflying: yours looks fine, i don't remember changing anything with regard to the fonts in konqueoro
[05:26] <freeflying> robotgeek: I just use the default setting of kongqueror 
[05:27] <robotgeek> freeflying: same here too, i think i set everything to be 2 points smaller in kde system settings
[10:13] <mornfall> yada
[10:27] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-manager-i18n.png <-- translated visible libapt-front strings in there :-)
[10:27] <mornfall> --> food
[10:42] <Lathiat> is i tjus tme
[10:42] <Lathiat> or has the default font changes
[10:42] <Lathiat> from sans serif to serif?
[10:42] <Lathiat> (style as opposed to exact font name)
[10:45] <Hobbsee> i think the default font changed
[10:45] <Hobbsee> and now i cant figure out what the original was!
[10:48] <Lathiat> dejavu sans mono
[10:48] <Lathiat> i think
[11:22] <hunger> kmail won't let me sign my mails anymore.
[11:24] <Hobbsee_away> Lathiat: ah, i'll check that
[01:38] <Tonio_> hi 
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just send you a patch for systemsettings, adding french to all .Desktop and .menu files
[02:15] <Hobbsee> http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/doku.php - wish we could have it in dapper
[02:21] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: u like splashy?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yeah, it looks nice
[02:21] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: why do you ask?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> night all
[02:24] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: I'd prefer to usplash now   :)
[02:24] <robotgeek> night Hobbsee 
[02:24] <Hobbsee> can it get changed?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> or is it too late?
[03:04] <mornfall> i thereby declare adept-notifier autostart working reasonably and go to get some lunch
[04:07] <mornfall> Tonio_: ping? :-)
[04:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: pong
[04:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: how are you ? I was just testing adept on dapper, nice improvements ;)
[04:08] <mornfall> Tonio_: there is a new app in the adept suite (well, 2 of them, if we count notifier) -- and it has no icon :)
[04:08] <mornfall> i'm fine :)
[04:08] <mornfall> dapper version of adept is outdated
[04:09] <Tonio_> mornfall: 
[04:09] <Tonio_> okay the icon will be done toonight
[04:09] <mornfall> wow :-)
[04:09] <Tonio_> I can start now
[04:09] <mornfall> it's the installer thing
[04:09] <Tonio_> the manual installer ?
[04:09] <mornfall> have you seen screenshots?
[04:10] <Tonio_> nope, I would like to get an idea of what to do ;)
[04:10] <Tonio_> okay gimme the url and I'll start the icons right now :)
[04:12] <mornfall> Tonio_: http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept-2006-02-12/
[04:12] <Tonio_> k
[04:13] <Tonio_> ok, what is the main difference between this and the standard adept ?
[04:13] <Tonio_> that doesn't allow uninstallations etc ?
[04:14] <Tonio_> just a little frontend for installations ?
[04:14] <mornfall> that it has fairly different interface
[04:14] <mornfall> and that it doesn't list packages but .desktop files
[04:14] <Tonio_> yep I can see that, and the interface is really nice :)
[04:14] <Tonio_> how do you build the desktop database ?
[04:15] <mornfall> i steal it from gnome-app-install :-)
[04:15] <mornfall> i'd say the main difference is target audience though
[04:15] <Tonio_> haha
[04:15] <Tonio_> okay, I can see what to do, whould youi like to keep the same "dtyle" for the icon ? or something completly different ?
[04:16] <Tonio_> s/dtyle/style
[04:16] <mornfall> probably same style, since they are all related
[04:16] <Tonio_> absolutly, and it is way easier for me than restart from scratch ;)
[04:17] <Tonio_> and about the notifier, will it take place in the systray ?
[04:17] <mornfall> yes, it will
[04:17] <Tonio_> do you need an icon for this too ?
[04:17] <mornfall> i have borrowed nuvola icons for warning and green_led
[04:17] <mornfall> for now
[04:17] <Tonio_> or will the standard adept one feet into ?
[04:18] <Tonio_> okay cool
[04:18] <mornfall> i will think about hiding the icon instead of showing the ok symbol
[04:18] <Tonio_> I'll email you the icons toonight, no pb ;)
[04:18] <mornfall> cool, thanks :)
[04:19] <Tonio_> have clothes to wash :((((((((( have to leave you mornfall ;) have a good day
[04:19] <mornfall> laters, enjoy ;-)
[04:20] <Tonio_> ;)
[05:00] <Tonio_> mornfall: ping ?
[05:01] <mornfall> Tonio_: pong
[05:01] <robotgeek> mornfall: ooh, nice
[05:02] <Tonio_> mornfall: I was thinking of a must have functionnality of synaptic that still miss to adept...
[05:02] <mornfall> eh, must-have :-)
[05:02] <Tonio_> synaptic can save and import the system state, including the full installed package list
[05:02] <mornfall> again? :)
[05:02] <Tonio_> that VERY unefull when I want to clone a machine for another personn
[05:02] <robotgeek> basically dpkg --get-selections ?
[05:03] <mornfall> Tonio_: i can make a cli app for that using libapt-front... don't expect it in the gui in near future though (clutter, clutter)
[05:03] <Tonio_> well, I asked once on the bts but didn't get any response, so I suimply would appreciate your viusion of this mornfall :)
[05:04] <mornfall> Tonio_: oh, that was you :-) i still have it on my list every time i look at b.k.o
[05:04] <Tonio_> okay, that's my response ;)
[05:04] <Tonio_> yep, that was me ;)
[05:04] <Tonio_> thanks for the answer :)
[05:06] <mornfall> listening to Arriving Somewhere But Not Here on Deadwing by Porcupine Tree (2:02/12:02)
[05:39] <Tm_T> wanna see beautiful sources.list?
[05:40] <Tm_T> http://pastebin.com/551304
[05:40] <Tm_T> I wonder why my friend had some trouble upgrading to KDE 3.5.1 =)
[05:48] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I migrated to dapper, and I can confirm the bug on bold fonts
[05:48] <Tonio_> Tm_T: although there is another on certain fonts that simply don't work, like verdana on websites, even though I have msttcorefonts installed
[05:51] <Tm_T> hm? bug on bold fonts?
[06:07] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-2006-02-12/manager7.png :-)
[06:08] <sealne> interesting that was a week before kicker crashed without xmmskde
[06:08] <sealne> Xlib: resource ID allocation space exhausted!
[06:13] <sealne> mornfall: what does the logical button do?
[06:13] <mornfall> no no not again :'(
[06:13] <mornfall> [18:08:29]  < BCoppens> and what does logical mean :P
[06:13] <mornfall> [18:08:32]  < mornfall> argh
[06:13] <mornfall> [18:08:35]  < mornfall> i forgot again :-)
[06:13] <mornfall> [18:08:41]  < BCoppens> but looks cool
[06:13] <mornfall> [18:08:44]  < mornfall> BCoppens: because it'll be auto-relabeled depending on package
[06:13] <mornfall> [18:08:57]  < BCoppens> ah =)
[06:13] <mornfall> [18:09:07]  < mornfall> i shouldn't put these buttons in screenshots, i always get the same questions :o
[06:13] <mornfall> [18:09:12]  < BCoppens> lol :P
[06:14] <sealne> sorry but i honestly can't even guess that one :)
[06:14] <mornfall> i know, my fault :)
[06:25] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-2006-02-12/manager8.png -- no more (logical)
[06:25] <mornfall> (and no more slovak strings)
[06:42] <mornfall> Riddell: ping?
[06:42] <mornfall> hmm, or actually anyone
[06:42] <mornfall> is there a place where one can get changelog.Debian (.Ubuntu?) for kubuntu packages online?
[06:43] <jpatrick> packages.ubuntu.com
[06:44] <mornfall> it doesn't seem to give me the changelog
[06:44] <mornfall> more like a 404
[06:45] <jpatrick> which package?
[06:45] <mornfall> libapt-front-dev -- but the idea is to have this changelog available in adept
[06:45] <mornfall> (dapper)
[06:46] <mornfall> it's all borky borky :'|
[06:46] <mornfall> so probably no changelogs
[06:48] <jpatrick>  /usr/share/doc/libapt-front-dev ?
[06:54] <mornfall> jpatrick: it's more useful to have the changelog before you install or upgrade though :-)
[06:54] <jpatrick> yes. :)
[06:54] <jpatrick> dapper-changes?
[06:55] <mornfall> you mean ml-archive?
[06:55] <jpatrick> yes
[06:58] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/005373.html
[07:40] <mornfall> ownz http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-2006-02-12/manager9.png
[07:44] <Tm_T> wow
[07:54] <Tonio_> mornfall: rocking !!!
[07:59] <jpatrick> looks real good :)
[07:59] <mornfall> when i have time to kill i'll add file properties dialog and open-with menu :)
[08:00] <Riddell> mornfall: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/
[08:00] <mornfall> in the meantime, i make filelist loading asynchronous and release :)
[08:00] <mornfall> Riddell: not bad
[08:00] <jpatrick> Riddell: is it me - or does amaroK have no debian/control file?
[08:00] <Riddell> jpatrick: it might use debian/control.in
[08:01] <Riddell> mornfall: not bad yourself.  presumably it only knows the file list for installed packages?
[08:02] <jpatrick> oh wait it has one but it's an application/octet-stream
[08:03] <Riddell> mornfall: that changelogs.u.c is used by synaptic's update tool I believe
[08:03] <mornfall> debian synaptic fetches changelogs from p.d.o
[08:04] <Riddell> makes sense
[08:06] <jpatrick> just so I remember for the future "2:1.3.8-0ubuntu1" <- what's the 2: for?
[08:06] <mornfall> (i somehow like the p.u.c and p.d.c changelogs more, since i could just load them into khtml :-)
[08:07] <mornfall> jpatrick: epoch
[08:07] <mornfall> jpatrick: makes a lower version a higher version :)
[08:07] <jpatrick> ok, got it
[08:08] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[08:08] <Tonio_> hi jpatrick
[08:09] <jpatrick> hi Tonio_ 
[08:09] <jpatrick> Riddell: btw mako accepted me
[08:11] <Riddell> jpatrick: rocking
[08:12] <Riddell> jpatrick: have you been accepted into the ubuntu-members group?  if not you probably need to e-mail kamion
[08:12] <jpatrick> he said he's waiting for LP to come back :/
[08:12] <Riddell> fair enough :)
[08:12] <jpatrick> maybe I should ping kamion
[08:14] <Riddell> I'd just be patient
[08:14] <jpatrick> yep
[08:15] <jpatrick> should I forward mako's message to him?
[08:19] <Riddell> I was just guesing kamion controlled ubuntu-members, it might well be mako
[08:32] <mornfall> aye, so async loading of file list works fine now
[08:32] <mornfall> \o/
[08:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you receive the bluez-utils package ?
[09:19] <mornfall> Riddell: how is the gnome-app-install .desktop thingy looking?
[09:20] <mornfall> Riddell: do we have a separate package?
[09:20] <mornfall> i am wondering if i should drop installer from packaging for now
[09:20] <mornfall> or ship some kde desktop files with it
[09:23] <jpatrick> Tonio_: are you gonna update ktranslator? (or should I?)
[09:26] <jpatrick> ah it's a release candidate...
[09:30] <mornfall> good night
[09:30] <jpatrick> night mornfall 
[09:32] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yep it's on my plans
[09:32] <Tonio_> nite mornfall
[09:33] <Tonio_> jpatrick: the problem is that it need an uvf exception
[09:33] <Tonio_> I need to have a look at the changelog to see if really an update is needed
[09:33] <Tonio_> hum, yep, rc only.... will probably not update it for the moment
[09:34] <jpatrick> uvf exception?
[09:34] <Tonio_> yes
[09:34] <Tonio_> what's the problem ?
[09:34] <jpatrick> hmm
[09:34] <jpatrick> ah right
[09:39] <jpatrick> bye everyone
[10:20] <Riddell> mornfall: mvo said he'd do it, I don't think he has yet, although I don't imagine it would be difficult for me to just do it
[10:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, may look at it tonight, else tomorrow, depends if I can get these accounts done
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the info