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thewamado we have a flight 4 date?12:36
ogranope ... but likely next week some time ...12:37
thewamayeah I figured12:37
thewamaany suggestions on how I can pitch in?12:38
thewamaI know my code but need some direction12:39
ogratry #ubuntu-motu :)12:39
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thewamaalrighty thanks!12:41
ogra:)12:41
thewamawhat about getting into gnome or xorg devel?12:42
thewamapackage-work sounds like a good place to start, but how would I get into the core stuff?12:42
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HiddenWolfthewama: for ubuntu the starting point is motu. there is a gnome-hackers on gimpnet. xorg I don't know.12:43
ograthats rather something you should ask upstream (gnome.org or x.org) we mostly do packaging 12:43
thewamamakes sense, I'll look into MOTU for now12:43
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MisterNn801:24
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hungerWhat's up with launchpad?02:04
HiddenWolfhunger: hardware migration, all ubuntu sites are down02:05
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dabaRDoes anyone know how to program a valid http cookie?02:39
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jdongFirefox had another speed regression...03:11
jdongfrom 1.5.dfsg-4ubuntu6 ->  1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-1ubuntu3, the rendering speed was cut in half03:12
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Chipzzjdong: rtf changelog :)03:50
Chipzzpango is enabled by default since 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-103:51
Chipzzzless /usr/share/doc/firefox/changelog.Debian.gz03:51
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jdongso pango slows down Firefox? is that something that's going to be resolved before Dapper's release?04:52
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Amaranthjdong: it's something that will be solved Q2 200705:21
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Amaranthjdong: when gecko 1.9 + firefox 3.0 is out05:21
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crimsunelmo: please sync easychem and plotdrop from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, thanks06:07
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cfkfile:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html  says "or chat with the community on Freenode IRC Channel: #ubuntu" - i think that should be a link that fires up the default chat cilent - where do I post sugestions like this?07:17
crimsuncfk: for that issue, #ubuntu-doc07:21
LaserJockcfk: I think the doc team07:21
LaserJockcrimsun: darn it, you beat me too it ;-)07:21
cfkokee dokee - thanks07:22
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sivangmorning all09:06
nictukuhi09:06
crimsunelmo: also, please sync advi and autoclass from Sid, thanks.09:08
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Coyctecmmorning09:46
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hunger10:47
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drfalkoranyone knows about a mirror I can upload my gimp-2.3.7 .deb file ?10:51
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mdkeanyone else seeing bad signatures on breezy-security?11:10
mdkeW: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>11:10
mdkei see it on both my breezy systems11:10
jsgotangcoyep11:15
jsgotangcoconfirmed11:15
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jsgotangcoi thought they were moving to a new datacenter11:15
mdkeyes, maybe that was the cause11:16
jsgotangcoplanet used to 404 a few hours ago11:16
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mdkempt, any movement on AboutUbuntu? will it be ready for dapper you think?12:49
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sivangmdke: it probably would, it's a very simple application that I think all the pieces are already there.12:55
sivangmdke: (I set with mpt and saw this POC app on his lappie at UBZ)12:55
mdkesivang, i'm not sure any progress has been made since UBZ though, I hope so12:56
mdkedamn, i don't get mounted volumes on my desktop with dapper anymore. is that a conscious decision? it means that I can't unmount anything anymore12:56
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jdongmdke: you can still use the Computer browser01:36
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\shelmo / Znarl: any ETA for accessing u.u.c again?01:40
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Lathiatthe email said iirc?01:41
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\shLathiat: saturday 22 UTC + 6h == overdue :) 01:41
Lathiatheh01:42
Lathiatright01:42
ograi guess its only a DNS delay, noit all nameservers have catched up the change yet01:46
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mdkejdong, oh thanks01:58
mdkejdong, its still not discoverable enough tho01:59
mdke:)02:00
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MisterNhi02:14
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zakamehello devs :)02:53
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Coyctecmanyone have pci-e radeon x600 ?02:56
Coyctecmhow much you get fps with  glxgears ?02:57
MithrandirCoyctecm: glxgears is not a benchmark.02:57
Coyctecmno not, but just thinking I only get ~140002:58
Mithrandirit's not a benchmark, the number is meaningless02:58
Coyctecmwith nvidia 6600gt agp I get about 350002:58
Mithrandiryou can check whether you have accellerated 3d by looking at the output of glxinfo02:58
Coyctecmyes, not that02:59
Coyctecmdoom 3 runs fine with 1280x1024 :)02:59
Mithrandiror test something which tests your 3d performance, like doom02:59
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mdkejdub, whiprush, the tabs on the fridge are appearing at the bottom of the window, rather than on the top bar. can you ping me when it's fixed, I wanna take a screenshot of the fridge for the flash intro03:07
zakameis there any work done for NetworkAuthentication?  I notice it is approved, but deferred for Dapper :/03:11
carldapper installer partitioner - tryed to span 2 drives with one LV volume - I had problems getting it setup, and watever I did setup isn't booting - "couldn't find all volumes"03:13
carlI'll do the install again, wondering how I can document what the resulting partition config looks like03:13
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carlonce I am done wiht that step, is there a deb-conf like file that has my partitioning choices?03:24
mdkejdub, whiprush, interestingly, the tabs work in dapper epiphany, but not dapper firefox *shrugs*03:25
Kinnisonmako: ping?03:25
carlduh - should I even be able to setup / on a LV?03:27
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MisterNcu03:42
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mdkeugh, something is spamming -devel mailing list03:46
xhakerit's getting tagged atleast03:50
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sistpotyelmo: please sync gnustep-make (1.11.2-2) from unstable, no ubuntu specific version present.04:28
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mantas_doko, are you online ?05:03
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ograhrm ... upload.ubuntu.com still refuses connections 05:23
pietrushi, is it ok to ask that a package be synched from debian if it is not in ubuntu yet?05:24
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sistpotypietrus: until FeatureFreeze it is ok.. what package are you talking about?05:29
pietrustomcat505:29
sistpotypietrus: tomcat5 is in universe05:30
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pietrussorry05:31
pietrusi was using packages.ubuntu.com and it defaults to breezy05:31
raphinkpietrus: if you're on breezy, you have to know that breezy is frozen05:34
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ograelmo, Znarl, thanks (to whoever switched ftp back on)05:35
sistpotythanks from me as well ;)05:36
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xhakerhehe.. ogra is fast..ubuntu-meta there already05:41
ograi produced my 3rd coaster iso due to the inputattach shuffling already :( ... this upload should finally solve it 05:42
makoKinnison: hey there05:43
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MisterNre06:06
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carldapper setup, another attempt at LV, install lilo step fail.  what files can I post that will document what happened?06:27
HiddenWolfwhy does lvm use lilo at all?06:34
HiddenWolfI've been using grub and lvm since warty06:34
CarlFKgood q06:34
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CarlFKcan / be on a LV?06:34
ograsure06:34
HiddenWolfsince breezy afaik06:34
CarlFKthis is the first time playing with it - the plan was /boot on sda1, swap on sda2,  / on  sda3 and sdb1 using  LV - after fighting with the partitioner and a few reboots, I finally got it to install, but then it wouldn't boot.  so tried the install again, now it won't even install06:38
HiddenWolfI have /dev/sda1 /boot - /dev/mapper / root /swap /home06:39
ograogra@aleph:~$ mount|grep ^\/06:39
ogra/dev/mapper/vg0-lvol0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)06:39
ogra/dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw)06:39
ogra/dev/mapper/vg1-lvol1 on /var type ext3 (rw)06:39
ograworks wondeful ...06:39
HiddenWolfogra: is suspend/hibernate supposed to work on a desktop system with swap on lvm?06:40
ogra(using grub btw)06:40
ograHiddenWolf, good question ... never tried06:40
HiddenWolfsince that's the default setup nowadays06:40
CarlFKHiddenWolf: I'll let you know if I could get it to boot ;)06:40
ograHiddenWolf, suspend shouldnt be any issue ...06:41
ograsince thats to ram anyway06:41
ograi didnt try hibernate with lvm ...06:41
HiddenWolfhm, I can't get either to work for me.06:41
ograi doubt thats a lvm issue for suspend06:42
HiddenWolfthe nvidia driver might be it.06:42
ograoh, indeed06:43
ogranvidia is known to break suspend/hibernate06:43
HiddenWolfanything else?06:43
ograits pretty sure the nvidia driver ...06:43
ogratry switching to nv ...06:43
HiddenWolfHm. I will in a bit. Watching extreme home makeover now06:44
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CarlFKwhat will it take to get scp available in the installer?06:49
HiddenWolfCarlk, you should ask kamion06:51
CarlFKI think he's sleeping ;)06:54
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ograCarlFK, its early sunday afternoon ... i rather guess he's in weekend mode :)06:56
CarlFKoh yeah... weekend..06:56
sivangogra: aleph in in hebrew, you know ? :)06:57
ograsivang, yup06:57
sivangogra: so where did you coin its name from? :)06:57
ograits also a wonderful short story by jorge luis borges 06:57
sivangogra: it is? then I gotta read it sometime soon :)06:58
ograyup :)06:58
sivangogra: what is it about?06:58
ograthe aleph is a point in space that unites all times and spaces in a single point in this story ... 06:58
sivangI was also surprised George Kantor used the tem "aleph ephes" to describe the first order of infinity magnitue :-)06:59
ograi found that matches a central server of my former comapny quite well ... this machine exists since 8 years ...06:59
sivangogra: ah, figures - 06:59
ograand was the center of my world for years07:00
MisterNsivang: Georg Cantor is the way wikipedia spells it07:01
sivangMisterN: then they are proibably wrong :)07:01
sivangsorry,07:01
sivangthen /me/ is probably wrong07:01
sivangogra: ah, that figures. Aleph is a symbol for beginningness, for genesis, for a common point 07:01
MisterNsivang: i bothered to search because in my memory this was a german not english / french mathematician ;)07:02
ograyup07:02
sivangMisterN: According to my former math professor, he was hungerian , which is proibably more close to germen then english spelling07:02
MisterNsivang: well he was born in st. petersburg so your professor's not entirely wrong and the description "deutscher Mathematiker" is not entirely correct :)07:03
sivangMisterN: is this the st. petersburg that's currentyl in russia? or are there two of them?07:04
MisterNsivang: probably in russia.07:04
tsengHungarian07:05
sivangtseng: ?07:05
MisterNtseng: ?07:06
tseng he was hungerian , 07:06
tseng          which is proibably more close to germen then english spelling07:06
MisterNwell in words hungarian is different from anything07:06
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sivangtseng: ah, thanks :) but weirdly, I am searching google, and there there are a couple of stories that explain he had been living in germeny and was born in russia, any useful pointer to contradict that?07:07
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tsengsivang: Hungary is right next to germany and they share the language07:08
tsenggermany isnt that old as an official nation07:08
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MisterNtseng: WHAT?07:10
MisterNhungary does NOT share the language07:10
ograhungary and austria were one nation once ... but they dont share a language07:11
tsengMisterN: mmm but austria does?07:11
tsengright07:11
tsengthey split in 191907:11
MisterNgermany and france once were a nation. but that's LONG ago07:12
tsengafter this guy was already dead07:12
ograMisterN, the K&K dynasty isnt *that* long ago07:12
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MisterNogra: reread my sentence07:12
MisterNcharlemagne is long ago07:12
ograyup07:13
MisterNor rather: karl der groe *heh*07:13
ograheh07:13
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tsengi dont think that was unicode07:13
ogra& might be ...07:13
ogra surely are 07:14
tsengmm ogra's are07:14
MisterNhttp://smartin.bol.ucla.edu/caledonia/images/map-europe.gif <- old card07:14
MisterNmine are unicde: 07:15
sivangogra: hungerian and germen I thikn have some stuff common, but are mostly different lanugages, right?07:15
ograi think hungarian is nearer to polish, russian or other eastern languages 07:16
ograbut the north of hungary might well speak an austrian slang ...07:17
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sivangah07:18
MisterNhungarian isn't even an indoeuropean language07:18
MisterNand it seems it's not like russian but like finnish07:18
ograoh, i'd have thought its slavian based07:19
sivangMisterN: the weirdest thing for me in hungerian, is that some of the words sound close to arabic / turkish prnounciation07:19
sivangMisterN: (that's what I could spot out when people are talking it)07:19
sivangother then that, I don't understand anything although I've heared it a lot as a child :)07:19
MisterNsivang: how comes?07:20
sivangMisterN: my late grandmother used to speak hungerian.07:21
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sivangogra: do you know your way around threads in python using thread.start_new_thread and locks ?07:26
ogranope07:26
ograi never did thread programming in python07:27
sivangah okay. I have strage prerformance penalty compared to regular non threaded code that does the same on the threaded version, was hoping for an expert advice :)07:27
ograsorry, no threading expert :)07:28
sivangogra: okay, I need mvo to come online and talk to him probably 07:28
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CarlFKsivang: not that I know squat about anything, but a friend has been looking at the Twisted framework, which sounds like it does threading - maybe?07:31
sivangCarlFK: I'd have to first look at it to know, but I thought it had something to do with web applications no?07:31
CarlFKapparently you don't understand the depth of my "don't know squat" ;)07:32
CarlFKit came up when someone else was looking to "communicate with other processes via TCP/IP" and Twisted came up07:33
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khermanshttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/3124207:34
Ubugtumalone bug 31242 in Ubuntu "network-admin "double-configure" problem when choosing a preset location and then hitting OK" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  07:34
khermanswhy can't i properly choose a package name in bugzilla?  malone has bugs?07:35
khermanssince i could not, i only filed in the general "UBUNTU" package bug07:35
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CarlFKwhere did /var/log/debian-installer/ go?07:47
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CarlFKhow can I dump the VT1 screen to a file?07:53
CarlFKfrom the setup's VT207:54
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lemstois initNG included in dapper?08:10
lemstoor for dapper++?08:10
siretarthi!08:12
siretartlemsto: not dapper. it might be considered for dapper+108:13
ograthere is a spec for such an implementation on launchpad ...08:13
ograbut it doesnt target initng afaik08:13
ograsearch for streamlined-boot08:14
CarlFKin the setup, cat /dev/vcs4 gives me what is on VT4, but /dev/vcs1 doesn't give me whats on VT1 - any clue how I get what is on VT1?08:14
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lemstosiretart, ok, thx08:15
lemstoogra, streamlined-boot is a similar project as initNG?08:20
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lemstos/as/to :D08:20
ograinitng is only an attempt to do stuff automated a human will do better ...08:20
ograso the idea is to do the same, but without initng as i understood Keybuk who is responsible for the spec08:21
ograif we choose something automated, its more likely to be adopted from solaris afaik08:21
ograbut dont quote me on that, i had only a short talk with Keabuk about it08:22
ogra*Keybuk08:22
lemstowill it be possible to launch simultenaously 2 services with streamlined-boot?08:22
ograyup08:22
lemstok08:22
ogramore than two even ...08:23
lemstohehe08:23
lemstothank you! now ill try to find some info...08:23
ogra:)08:23
lemsto(and its planed for dapper??)08:23
sivangogra: aren't we already running gdm login while other services are starting?08:24
ograsivang, yup08:24
ograbut there is still a lot room for optimization08:24
sivangindeed.08:24
HiddenWolfogra: for dapper still?08:25
ograHiddenWolf, ls /etc/rc2.d/08:25
ogragdm starts at 13 .... very early08:26
HiddenWolfogra: noted, but you said "a lot of room for improvement" 08:26
HiddenWolfogra: so I'm wondering "will dapper get faster yet"08:26
ogranot for dapper according to the devlopment status streamlined-boot is deferred08:26
HiddenWolfHm, probably a wise choice. :)08:27
ograsee the weekly update JaneW sends to the list...08:27
HiddenWolfyeah, forgot to read that one this week.08:27
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HiddenWolfmjg, you promised08:36
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TreenaksHiddenWolf: ???08:37
HiddenWolfTreenaks: he sent an email to -devel earlier that he was uploading xgl packages08:37
ograbah08:38
HiddenWolfAnd I'm out of weed, so I need crack. :P08:38
ograHiddenWolf, arent you in .nl ?08:38
HiddenWolfogra: yeah. :)08:38
ograthere should be some open coffes shop ... just go out and find it :P08:38
TreenaksHiddenWolf: call the local crack dealer ;)08:38
HiddenWolfogra: it's sucky weather, and a 10 minute walk. :)08:39
ogralol08:39
HiddenWolfTreenaks: that'd be my roomie, but he's out for the weekend.08:39
TreenaksHiddenWolf: 2 words: supply management08:39
HiddenWolfTreenaks: please, that's one of my subjects this term. :)08:40
HiddenWolfI'll stick to beer.08:40
HiddenWolftonight, at least08:40
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siretarthow do I check which conffile from a package got changed?09:02
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nictukuhmm I could not search in packages.ubuntu.com, is there a python ssl implementation package in main?09:51
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thierrynictuku : for wich distribution, and why can't you search on packages.ubuntu.com09:54
thierry?09:54
nictukui could not search 'python ssl' in the packages description09:54
nictukuError: keyword not valid or missing09:54
nictukuonly single words09:55
nictukuthierry, dapper prefereably09:55
nictukumy project: https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/nwu/trac.cgi/wiki09:56
nictukui forgot that it would be better not to depend on universe packages09:56
thierrynictuku : don't know... sorry09:57
nictukuand m2crypto is on universe in dapper too =/09:57
nictukuthank you09:57
nictukufound. python2.4-pyopenssl09:58
r0bbyI love how people can read10:01
Coyctecmdamn one finnish irc channel... big flame war that ubuntu doesn't do nothing "own" just a ugly fork of debian...10:01
Coyctecmstupid10:01
Spastjeh:)10:01
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CoyctecmI think ubuntu makes debian usable ;)10:03
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Coyctecmdamn this make me nervous :D10:05
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Coyctecmjust curious where are you from?10:06
Coyctecmfinland10:06
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lemstofrance10:15
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CarlFKif I am having trouble installing on LV, is this the place to report it: https://launchpad.net/products/partconf ?10:35
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jk-Riddell: ping ?10:55
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Riddelljk-: hi10:57
jk-Riddell: hiya. just had someone report a dep problem with the kopete meanwhile package.10:58
jk-apparently it's depending on meanwhile 0.4.x ?10:58
jk-(i don't have a dapper install handy, sorry :( )10:58
Riddelllibmeanwhile1 (>= 1.0.0)10:59
jk-oh, cool.10:59
jk-maybe his repos aren't set up correctly.10:59
jk-cheers! :)10:59
HiddenWolfmjg59: that mail you sent to -devel about uploading xgl packages, is that still going to happen?11:02
HiddenWolfmjg59: lots of people begging, moaning and willing to get it from anywhere (and mess up their systems)...11:02
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Riddelljk-: yep, installs here fine in dapper11:03
jk-Riddell: awesome :)11:03
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MisterNn811:13
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siretartwow. seb128 is rocking malone..11:43
lucassiretart: where ?11:43
mjg59HiddenWolf: Soon11:46
siretartlucas: I'm watching the mailinglist for bugs in main11:46
HiddenWolfmjg59: how will you solve the patches to mesa and such?11:46
HiddenWolfjust wondering about the ubuntu-situation, after spending a time watching a gentoo-buff trying to get it to work11:47
HiddenWolfAnd telling a half-dozen people to wait a bit before compiling today. :P11:47
mjg59HiddenWolf: We already have the Mesa patches in slightly older form11:49
HiddenWolfmjg59: Anyway, very cool that you are taking time to sort it out. I won't bug you further.11:49
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ograCarlFK, rather take it here ...11:54
CarlFKso.. how can I grab a screen shot of an installer error message?11:54
ograthere is already a screencapture from tty1 recorded in the installer log11:54
CarlFKno way...11:54
ograsure11:54
CarlFKwhich log ?11:55
ograi sadly cant remember the right name .. but its in /var/log/installer11:55
CarlFKleme lookie 11:56
CarlFKthre is no var/log/installer 11:56
CarlFKnor var/log/debian-installer (which was there in breezy)11:57
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ograCarlFK, wait for Kamion, he'll be able to tell you tomorrow ... but in any case there is a complete capture of tty1 that you can replay ... looks quite funny11:58
ogra(unless it was dropped recently)11:58
CarlFKreplay?  thats awesome 11:58
ogra(which i doubt)11:58
CarlFKI would hope not11:58
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