[12:36] <thewama> do we have a flight 4 date?
[12:37] <ogra> nope ... but likely next week some time ...
[12:37] <thewama> yeah I figured
[12:38] <thewama> any suggestions on how I can pitch in?
[12:39] <thewama> I know my code but need some direction
[12:39] <ogra> try #ubuntu-motu :)
[12:41] <thewama> alrighty thanks!
[12:41] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <thewama> what about getting into gnome or xorg devel?
[12:42] <thewama> package-work sounds like a good place to start, but how would I get into the core stuff?
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> thewama: for ubuntu the starting point is motu. there is a gnome-hackers on gimpnet. xorg I don't know.
[12:43] <ogra> thats rather something you should ask upstream (gnome.org or x.org) we mostly do packaging 
[12:43] <thewama> makes sense, I'll look into MOTU for now
[01:24] <MisterN> n8
[02:04] <hunger> What's up with launchpad?
[02:05] <HiddenWolf> hunger: hardware migration, all ubuntu sites are down
[02:39] <dabaR> Does anyone know how to program a valid http cookie?
[03:11] <jdong> Firefox had another speed regression...
[03:12] <jdong> from 1.5.dfsg-4ubuntu6 ->  1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-1ubuntu3, the rendering speed was cut in half
[03:50] <Chipzz> jdong: rtf changelog :)
[03:51] <Chipzz> pango is enabled by default since 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-1
[03:51] <Chipzz> zless /usr/share/doc/firefox/changelog.Debian.gz
[04:52] <jdong> so pango slows down Firefox? is that something that's going to be resolved before Dapper's release?
[05:21] <Amaranth> jdong: it's something that will be solved Q2 2007
[05:21] <Amaranth> jdong: when gecko 1.9 + firefox 3.0 is out
[06:07] <crimsun> elmo: please sync easychem and plotdrop from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, thanks
[07:17] <cfk> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html  says "or chat with the community on Freenode IRC Channel: #ubuntu" - i think that should be a link that fires up the default chat cilent - where do I post sugestions like this?
[07:21] <crimsun> cfk: for that issue, #ubuntu-doc
[07:21] <LaserJock> cfk: I think the doc team
[07:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: darn it, you beat me too it ;-)
[07:22] <cfk> okee dokee - thanks
[09:06] <sivang> morning all
[09:06] <nictuku> hi
[09:08] <crimsun> elmo: also, please sync advi and autoclass from Sid, thanks.
[09:46] <Coyctecm> morning
[10:47] <hunger> 
[10:51] <drfalkor> anyone knows about a mirror I can upload my gimp-2.3.7 .deb file ?
[11:10] <mdke> anyone else seeing bad signatures on breezy-security?
[11:10] <mdke> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[11:10] <mdke> i see it on both my breezy systems
[11:15] <jsgotangco> yep
[11:15] <jsgotangco> confirmed
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i thought they were moving to a new datacenter
[11:16] <mdke> yes, maybe that was the cause
[11:16] <jsgotangco> planet used to 404 a few hours ago
[12:49] <mdke> mpt, any movement on AboutUbuntu? will it be ready for dapper you think?
[12:55] <sivang> mdke: it probably would, it's a very simple application that I think all the pieces are already there.
[12:55] <sivang> mdke: (I set with mpt and saw this POC app on his lappie at UBZ)
[12:56] <mdke> sivang, i'm not sure any progress has been made since UBZ though, I hope so
[12:56] <mdke> damn, i don't get mounted volumes on my desktop with dapper anymore. is that a conscious decision? it means that I can't unmount anything anymore
[01:36] <jdong> mdke: you can still use the Computer browser
[01:40] <\sh> elmo / Znarl: any ETA for accessing u.u.c again?
[01:41] <Lathiat> the email said iirc?
[01:41] <\sh> Lathiat: saturday 22 UTC + 6h == overdue :) 
[01:42] <Lathiat> heh
[01:42] <Lathiat> right
[01:46] <ogra> i guess its only a DNS delay, noit all nameservers have catched up the change yet
[01:58] <mdke> jdong, oh thanks
[01:59] <mdke> jdong, its still not discoverable enough tho
[02:00] <mdke> :)
[02:14] <MisterN> hi
[02:53] <zakame> hello devs :)
[02:56] <Coyctecm> anyone have pci-e radeon x600 ?
[02:57] <Coyctecm> how much you get fps with  glxgears ?
[02:57] <Mithrandir> Coyctecm: glxgears is not a benchmark.
[02:58] <Coyctecm> no not, but just thinking I only get ~1400
[02:58] <Mithrandir> it's not a benchmark, the number is meaningless
[02:58] <Coyctecm> with nvidia 6600gt agp I get about 3500
[02:58] <Mithrandir> you can check whether you have accellerated 3d by looking at the output of glxinfo
[02:59] <Coyctecm> yes, not that
[02:59] <Coyctecm> doom 3 runs fine with 1280x1024 :)
[02:59] <Mithrandir> or test something which tests your 3d performance, like doom
[03:07] <mdke> jdub, whiprush, the tabs on the fridge are appearing at the bottom of the window, rather than on the top bar. can you ping me when it's fixed, I wanna take a screenshot of the fridge for the flash intro
[03:11] <zakame> is there any work done for NetworkAuthentication?  I notice it is approved, but deferred for Dapper :/
[03:13] <carl> dapper installer partitioner - tryed to span 2 drives with one LV volume - I had problems getting it setup, and watever I did setup isn't booting - "couldn't find all volumes"
[03:13] <carl> I'll do the install again, wondering how I can document what the resulting partition config looks like
[03:24] <carl> once I am done wiht that step, is there a deb-conf like file that has my partitioning choices?
[03:25] <mdke> jdub, whiprush, interestingly, the tabs work in dapper epiphany, but not dapper firefox *shrugs*
[03:25] <Kinnison> mako: ping?
[03:27] <carl> duh - should I even be able to setup / on a LV?
[03:42] <MisterN> cu
[03:46] <mdke> ugh, something is spamming -devel mailing list
[03:50] <xhaker> it's getting tagged atleast
[04:28] <sistpoty> elmo: please sync gnustep-make (1.11.2-2) from unstable, no ubuntu specific version present.
[05:03] <mantas_> doko, are you online ?
[05:23] <ogra> hrm ... upload.ubuntu.com still refuses connections 
[05:24] <pietrus> hi, is it ok to ask that a package be synched from debian if it is not in ubuntu yet?
[05:29] <sistpoty> pietrus: until FeatureFreeze it is ok.. what package are you talking about?
[05:29] <pietrus> tomcat5
[05:30] <sistpoty> pietrus: tomcat5 is in universe
[05:31] <pietrus> sorry
[05:31] <pietrus> i was using packages.ubuntu.com and it defaults to breezy
[05:34] <raphink> pietrus: if you're on breezy, you have to know that breezy is frozen
[05:35] <ogra> elmo, Znarl, thanks (to whoever switched ftp back on)
[05:36] <sistpoty> thanks from me as well ;)
[05:41] <xhaker> hehe.. ogra is fast..ubuntu-meta there already
[05:42] <ogra> i produced my 3rd coaster iso due to the inputattach shuffling already :( ... this upload should finally solve it 
[05:43] <mako> Kinnison: hey there
[06:06] <MisterN> re
[06:27] <carl> dapper setup, another attempt at LV, install lilo step fail.  what files can I post that will document what happened?
[06:34] <HiddenWolf> why does lvm use lilo at all?
[06:34] <HiddenWolf> I've been using grub and lvm since warty
[06:34] <CarlFK> good q
[06:34] <CarlFK> can / be on a LV?
[06:34] <ogra> sure
[06:34] <HiddenWolf> since breezy afaik
[06:38] <CarlFK> this is the first time playing with it - the plan was /boot on sda1, swap on sda2,  / on  sda3 and sdb1 using  LV - after fighting with the partitioner and a few reboots, I finally got it to install, but then it wouldn't boot.  so tried the install again, now it won't even install
[06:39] <HiddenWolf> I have /dev/sda1 /boot - /dev/mapper / root /swap /home
[06:39] <ogra> ogra@aleph:~$ mount|grep ^\/
[06:39] <ogra> /dev/mapper/vg0-lvol0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:39] <ogra> /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw)
[06:39] <ogra> /dev/mapper/vg1-lvol1 on /var type ext3 (rw)
[06:39] <ogra> works wondeful ...
[06:40] <HiddenWolf> ogra: is suspend/hibernate supposed to work on a desktop system with swap on lvm?
[06:40] <ogra> (using grub btw)
[06:40] <ogra> HiddenWolf, good question ... never tried
[06:40] <HiddenWolf> since that's the default setup nowadays
[06:40] <CarlFK> HiddenWolf: I'll let you know if I could get it to boot ;)
[06:41] <ogra> HiddenWolf, suspend shouldnt be any issue ...
[06:41] <ogra> since thats to ram anyway
[06:41] <ogra> i didnt try hibernate with lvm ...
[06:41] <HiddenWolf> hm, I can't get either to work for me.
[06:42] <ogra> i doubt thats a lvm issue for suspend
[06:42] <HiddenWolf> the nvidia driver might be it.
[06:43] <ogra> oh, indeed
[06:43] <ogra> nvidia is known to break suspend/hibernate
[06:43] <HiddenWolf> anything else?
[06:43] <ogra> its pretty sure the nvidia driver ...
[06:43] <ogra> try switching to nv ...
[06:44] <HiddenWolf> Hm. I will in a bit. Watching extreme home makeover now
[06:49] <CarlFK> what will it take to get scp available in the installer?
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> Carlk, you should ask kamion
[06:54] <CarlFK> I think he's sleeping ;)
[06:56] <ogra> CarlFK, its early sunday afternoon ... i rather guess he's in weekend mode :)
[06:56] <CarlFK> oh yeah... weekend..
[06:57] <sivang> ogra: aleph in in hebrew, you know ? :)
[06:57] <ogra> sivang, yup
[06:57] <sivang> ogra: so where did you coin its name from? :)
[06:57] <ogra> its also a wonderful short story by jorge luis borges 
[06:58] <sivang> ogra: it is? then I gotta read it sometime soon :)
[06:58] <ogra> yup :)
[06:58] <sivang> ogra: what is it about?
[06:58] <ogra> the aleph is a point in space that unites all times and spaces in a single point in this story ... 
[06:59] <sivang> I was also surprised George Kantor used the tem "aleph ephes" to describe the first order of infinity magnitue :-)
[06:59] <ogra> i found that matches a central server of my former comapny quite well ... this machine exists since 8 years ...
[06:59] <sivang> ogra: ah, figures - 
[07:00] <ogra> and was the center of my world for years
[07:01] <MisterN> sivang: Georg Cantor is the way wikipedia spells it
[07:01] <sivang> MisterN: then they are proibably wrong :)
[07:01] <sivang> sorry,
[07:01] <sivang> then /me/ is probably wrong
[07:01] <sivang> ogra: ah, that figures. Aleph is a symbol for beginningness, for genesis, for a common point 
[07:02] <MisterN> sivang: i bothered to search because in my memory this was a german not english / french mathematician ;)
[07:02] <ogra> yup
[07:02] <sivang> MisterN: According to my former math professor, he was hungerian , which is proibably more close to germen then english spelling
[07:03] <MisterN> sivang: well he was born in st. petersburg so your professor's not entirely wrong and the description "deutscher Mathematiker" is not entirely correct :)
[07:04] <sivang> MisterN: is this the st. petersburg that's currentyl in russia? or are there two of them?
[07:04] <MisterN> sivang: probably in russia.
[07:05] <tseng> Hungarian
[07:05] <sivang> tseng: ?
[07:06] <MisterN> tseng: ?
[07:06] <tseng>  he was hungerian , 
[07:06] <tseng>           which is proibably more close to germen then english spelling
[07:06] <MisterN> well in words hungarian is different from anything
[07:07] <sivang> tseng: ah, thanks :) but weirdly, I am searching google, and there there are a couple of stories that explain he had been living in germeny and was born in russia, any useful pointer to contradict that?
[07:08] <tseng> sivang: Hungary is right next to germany and they share the language
[07:08] <tseng> germany isnt that old as an official nation
[07:10] <MisterN> tseng: WHAT?
[07:10] <MisterN> hungary does NOT share the language
[07:11] <ogra> hungary and austria were one nation once ... but they dont share a language
[07:11] <tseng> MisterN: mmm but austria does?
[07:11] <tseng> right
[07:11] <tseng> they split in 1919
[07:12] <MisterN> germany and france once were a nation. but that's LONG ago
[07:12] <tseng> after this guy was already dead
[07:12] <ogra> MisterN, the K&K dynasty isnt *that* long ago
[07:12] <MisterN> ogra: reread my sentence
[07:12] <MisterN> charlemagne is long ago
[07:13] <ogra> yup
[07:13] <MisterN> or rather: karl der groe *heh*
[07:13] <ogra> heh
[07:13] <tseng> i dont think that was unicode
[07:13] <ogra> & might be ...
[07:14] <ogra>  surely are 
[07:14] <tseng> mm ogra's are
[07:14] <MisterN> http://smartin.bol.ucla.edu/caledonia/images/map-europe.gif <- old card
[07:15] <MisterN> mine are unicde: 
[07:15] <sivang> ogra: hungerian and germen I thikn have some stuff common, but are mostly different lanugages, right?
[07:16] <ogra> i think hungarian is nearer to polish, russian or other eastern languages 
[07:17] <ogra> but the north of hungary might well speak an austrian slang ...
[07:18] <sivang> ah
[07:18] <MisterN> hungarian isn't even an indoeuropean language
[07:18] <MisterN> and it seems it's not like russian but like finnish
[07:19] <ogra> oh, i'd have thought its slavian based
[07:19] <sivang> MisterN: the weirdest thing for me in hungerian, is that some of the words sound close to arabic / turkish prnounciation
[07:19] <sivang> MisterN: (that's what I could spot out when people are talking it)
[07:19] <sivang> other then that, I don't understand anything although I've heared it a lot as a child :)
[07:20] <MisterN> sivang: how comes?
[07:21] <sivang> MisterN: my late grandmother used to speak hungerian.
[07:26] <sivang> ogra: do you know your way around threads in python using thread.start_new_thread and locks ?
[07:26] <ogra> nope
[07:27] <ogra> i never did thread programming in python
[07:27] <sivang> ah okay. I have strage prerformance penalty compared to regular non threaded code that does the same on the threaded version, was hoping for an expert advice :)
[07:28] <ogra> sorry, no threading expert :)
[07:28] <sivang> ogra: okay, I need mvo to come online and talk to him probably 
[07:31] <CarlFK> sivang: not that I know squat about anything, but a friend has been looking at the Twisted framework, which sounds like it does threading - maybe?
[07:31] <sivang> CarlFK: I'd have to first look at it to know, but I thought it had something to do with web applications no?
[07:32] <CarlFK> apparently you don't understand the depth of my "don't know squat" ;)
[07:33] <CarlFK> it came up when someone else was looking to "communicate with other processes via TCP/IP" and Twisted came up
[07:34] <khermans> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/31242
[07:34] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31242 in Ubuntu "network-admin "double-configure" problem when choosing a preset location and then hitting OK" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[07:35] <khermans> why can't i properly choose a package name in bugzilla?  malone has bugs?
[07:35] <khermans> since i could not, i only filed in the general "UBUNTU" package bug
[07:47] <CarlFK> where did /var/log/debian-installer/ go?
[07:53] <CarlFK> how can I dump the VT1 screen to a file?
[07:54] <CarlFK> from the setup's VT2
[08:10] <lemsto> is initNG included in dapper?
[08:10] <lemsto> or for dapper++?
[08:12] <siretart> hi!
[08:13] <siretart> lemsto: not dapper. it might be considered for dapper+1
[08:13] <ogra> there is a spec for such an implementation on launchpad ...
[08:13] <ogra> but it doesnt target initng afaik
[08:14] <ogra> search for streamlined-boot
[08:14] <CarlFK> in the setup, cat /dev/vcs4 gives me what is on VT4, but /dev/vcs1 doesn't give me whats on VT1 - any clue how I get what is on VT1?
[08:15] <lemsto> siretart, ok, thx
[08:20] <lemsto> ogra, streamlined-boot is a similar project as initNG?
[08:20] <lemsto> s/as/to :D
[08:20] <ogra> initng is only an attempt to do stuff automated a human will do better ...
[08:21] <ogra> so the idea is to do the same, but without initng as i understood Keybuk who is responsible for the spec
[08:21] <ogra> if we choose something automated, its more likely to be adopted from solaris afaik
[08:22] <ogra> but dont quote me on that, i had only a short talk with Keabuk about it
[08:22] <ogra> *Keybuk
[08:22] <lemsto> will it be possible to launch simultenaously 2 services with streamlined-boot?
[08:22] <ogra> yup
[08:22] <lemsto> k
[08:23] <ogra> more than two even ...
[08:23] <lemsto> hehe
[08:23] <lemsto> thank you! now ill try to find some info...
[08:23] <ogra> :)
[08:23] <lemsto> (and its planed for dapper??)
[08:24] <sivang> ogra: aren't we already running gdm login while other services are starting?
[08:24] <ogra> sivang, yup
[08:24] <ogra> but there is still a lot room for optimization
[08:24] <sivang> indeed.
[08:25] <HiddenWolf> ogra: for dapper still?
[08:25] <ogra> HiddenWolf, ls /etc/rc2.d/
[08:26] <ogra> gdm starts at 13 .... very early
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> ogra: noted, but you said "a lot of room for improvement" 
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> ogra: so I'm wondering "will dapper get faster yet"
[08:26] <ogra> not for dapper according to the devlopment status streamlined-boot is deferred
[08:27] <HiddenWolf> Hm, probably a wise choice. :)
[08:27] <ogra> see the weekly update JaneW sends to the list...
[08:27] <HiddenWolf> yeah, forgot to read that one this week.
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> mjg, you promised
[08:37] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: ???
[08:37] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: he sent an email to -devel earlier that he was uploading xgl packages
[08:38] <ogra> bah
[08:38] <HiddenWolf> And I'm out of weed, so I need crack. :P
[08:38] <ogra> HiddenWolf, arent you in .nl ?
[08:38] <HiddenWolf> ogra: yeah. :)
[08:38] <ogra> there should be some open coffes shop ... just go out and find it :P
[08:38] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: call the local crack dealer ;)
[08:39] <HiddenWolf> ogra: it's sucky weather, and a 10 minute walk. :)
[08:39] <ogra> lol
[08:39] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: that'd be my roomie, but he's out for the weekend.
[08:39] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: 2 words: supply management
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: please, that's one of my subjects this term. :)
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> I'll stick to beer.
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> tonight, at least
[09:02] <siretart> how do I check which conffile from a package got changed?
[09:51] <nictuku> hmm I could not search in packages.ubuntu.com, is there a python ssl implementation package in main?
[09:54] <thierry> nictuku : for wich distribution, and why can't you search on packages.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <thierry> ?
[09:54] <nictuku> i could not search 'python ssl' in the packages description
[09:54] <nictuku> Error: keyword not valid or missing
[09:55] <nictuku> only single words
[09:55] <nictuku> thierry, dapper prefereably
[09:56] <nictuku> my project: https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/nwu/trac.cgi/wiki
[09:56] <nictuku> i forgot that it would be better not to depend on universe packages
[09:57] <thierry> nictuku : don't know... sorry
[09:57] <nictuku> and m2crypto is on universe in dapper too =/
[09:57] <nictuku> thank you
[09:58] <nictuku> found. python2.4-pyopenssl
[10:01] <r0bby> I love how people can read
[10:01] <Coyctecm> damn one finnish irc channel... big flame war that ubuntu doesn't do nothing "own" just a ugly fork of debian...
[10:01] <Coyctecm> stupid
[10:01] <Spastjeh> :)
[10:03] <Coyctecm> I think ubuntu makes debian usable ;)
[10:05] <Coyctecm> damn this make me nervous :D
[10:06] <Coyctecm> just curious where are you from?
[10:06] <Coyctecm> finland
[10:15] <lemsto> france
[10:35] <CarlFK> if I am having trouble installing on LV, is this the place to report it: https://launchpad.net/products/partconf ?
[10:55] <jk-> Riddell: ping ?
[10:57] <Riddell> jk-: hi
[10:58] <jk-> Riddell: hiya. just had someone report a dep problem with the kopete meanwhile package.
[10:58] <jk-> apparently it's depending on meanwhile 0.4.x ?
[10:58] <jk-> (i don't have a dapper install handy, sorry :( )
[10:59] <Riddell> libmeanwhile1 (>= 1.0.0)
[10:59] <jk-> oh, cool.
[10:59] <jk-> maybe his repos aren't set up correctly.
[10:59] <jk-> cheers! :)
[11:02] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: that mail you sent to -devel about uploading xgl packages, is that still going to happen?
[11:02] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: lots of people begging, moaning and willing to get it from anywhere (and mess up their systems)...
[11:03] <Riddell> jk-: yep, installs here fine in dapper
[11:03] <jk-> Riddell: awesome :)
[11:13] <MisterN> n8
[11:43] <siretart> wow. seb128 is rocking malone..
[11:43] <lucas> siretart: where ?
[11:46] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Soon
[11:46] <siretart> lucas: I'm watching the mailinglist for bugs in main
[11:46] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: how will you solve the patches to mesa and such?
[11:47] <HiddenWolf> just wondering about the ubuntu-situation, after spending a time watching a gentoo-buff trying to get it to work
[11:47] <HiddenWolf> And telling a half-dozen people to wait a bit before compiling today. :P
[11:49] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: We already have the Mesa patches in slightly older form
[11:49] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: Anyway, very cool that you are taking time to sort it out. I won't bug you further.
[11:54] <ogra> CarlFK, rather take it here ...
[11:54] <CarlFK> so.. how can I grab a screen shot of an installer error message?
[11:54] <ogra> there is already a screencapture from tty1 recorded in the installer log
[11:54] <CarlFK> no way...
[11:54] <ogra> sure
[11:55] <CarlFK> which log ?
[11:55] <ogra> i sadly cant remember the right name .. but its in /var/log/installer
[11:56] <CarlFK> leme lookie 
[11:56] <CarlFK> thre is no var/log/installer 
[11:57] <CarlFK> nor var/log/debian-installer (which was there in breezy)
[11:58] <ogra> CarlFK, wait for Kamion, he'll be able to tell you tomorrow ... but in any case there is a complete capture of tty1 that you can replay ... looks quite funny
[11:58] <ogra> (unless it was dropped recently)
[11:58] <CarlFK> replay?  thats awesome 
[11:58] <ogra> (which i doubt)
[11:58] <CarlFK> I would hope not