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[12:42] package-work sounds like a good place to start, but how would I get into the core stuff? === potato_pig [n=ed@ehjones.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] thewama: for ubuntu the starting point is motu. there is a gnome-hackers on gimpnet. xorg I don't know. [12:43] thats rather something you should ask upstream (gnome.org or x.org) we mostly do packaging [12:43] makes sense, I'll look into MOTU for now === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === potato_pig [n=ed@ehjones.plus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjr [i=mjr@aulis.sange.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] n8 === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@ip68-229-118-192.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-14-222.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === k31th_ [n=k31th@keiths.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === k31th [n=k31th@keiths.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] What's up with launchpad? [02:05] hunger: hardware migration, all ubuntu sites are down === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@ip68-229-118-192.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arr0gance is now known as Arrogance === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock_away is now known as LaserJock === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-156-19.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] Does anyone know how to program a valid http cookie? === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-11.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c141182.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] Firefox had another speed regression... [03:12] from 1.5.dfsg-4ubuntu6 -> 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-1ubuntu3, the rendering speed was cut in half === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] jdong: rtf changelog :) [03:51] pango is enabled by default since 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-1 [03:51] zless /usr/share/doc/firefox/changelog.Debian.gz === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@69.210.207.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.97.228.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quitte_ [n=quitte@stgt-d514ca20.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] so pango slows down Firefox? is that something that's going to be resolved before Dapper's release? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] jdong: it's something that will be solved Q2 2007 === j^ [n=j@e178035076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] jdong: when gecko 1.9 + firefox 3.0 is out === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DankJoe [n=DankJoe@mn-71-49-84-16.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jah_raztah [n=jahrazta@CPE0006255ab096-CM0011e6bec6bf.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@ip68-229-118-192.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] elmo: please sync easychem and plotdrop from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, thanks === jah_raztah [n=jahrazta@CPE0006255ab096-CM0011e6bec6bf.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-212.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@222.50.183.217] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cfk [n=juser@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:17] file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html says "or chat with the community on Freenode IRC Channel: #ubuntu" - i think that should be a link that fires up the default chat cilent - where do I post sugestions like this? [07:21] cfk: for that issue, #ubuntu-doc [07:21] cfk: I think the doc team [07:21] crimsun: darn it, you beat me too it ;-) [07:22] okee dokee - thanks === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Megaf|Away [n=Linux_Us@201-15-143-106.nhoce7007.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@220.238.37.207] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-176-233.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-176-233.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@196.28.45.76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spastjeh [n=mrfreeze@61-93.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] morning all [09:06] hi [09:08] elmo: also, please sync advi and autoclass from Sid, thanks. === j^ [n=j@e178035076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] morning === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-118-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] === drfalkor [n=falkor@ti541210a080-2403.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] anyone knows about a mirror I can upload my gimp-2.3.7 .deb file ? === Dtragcoen [n=Dtragcoe@adsl-68-127-193-238.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-137.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drfalkor [n=falkor@ti541210a080-2403.bb.online.no] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Forlater] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.125.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] anyone else seeing bad signatures on breezy-security? [11:10] W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [11:10] i see it on both my breezy systems [11:15] yep [11:15] confirmed === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] i thought they were moving to a new datacenter [11:16] yes, maybe that was the cause [11:16] planet used to 404 a few hours ago === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@24-52-41-197.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lemsto [n=salim@ANantes-154-1-57-196.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lorenzod [n=lorenzod@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zace [n=marc@i577B56DC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] mpt, any movement on AboutUbuntu? will it be ready for dapper you think? === olemke [n=olemke@p54896C72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] mdke: it probably would, it's a very simple application that I think all the pieces are already there. 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[02:57] how much you get fps with glxgears ? [02:57] Coyctecm: glxgears is not a benchmark. [02:58] no not, but just thinking I only get ~1400 [02:58] it's not a benchmark, the number is meaningless [02:58] with nvidia 6600gt agp I get about 3500 [02:58] you can check whether you have accellerated 3d by looking at the output of glxinfo [02:59] yes, not that [02:59] doom 3 runs fine with 1280x1024 :) [02:59] or test something which tests your 3d performance, like doom === carl [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] jdub, whiprush, the tabs on the fridge are appearing at the bottom of the window, rather than on the top bar. can you ping me when it's fixed, I wanna take a screenshot of the fridge for the flash intro [03:11] is there any work done for NetworkAuthentication? I notice it is approved, but deferred for Dapper :/ [03:13] dapper installer partitioner - tryed to span 2 drives with one LV volume - I had problems getting it setup, and watever I did setup isn't booting - "couldn't find all volumes" [03:13] I'll do the install again, wondering how I can document what the resulting partition config looks like === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] once I am done wiht that step, is there a deb-conf like file that has my partitioning choices? [03:25] jdub, whiprush, interestingly, the tabs work in dapper epiphany, but not dapper firefox *shrugs* [03:25] mako: ping? 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[05:29] tomcat5 [05:30] pietrus: tomcat5 is in universe === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] sorry [05:31] i was using packages.ubuntu.com and it defaults to breezy [05:34] pietrus: if you're on breezy, you have to know that breezy is frozen === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] elmo, Znarl, thanks (to whoever switched ftp back on) [05:36] thanks from me as well ;) === ompaul [n=ompaul@213.202.183.117] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] hehe.. ogra is fast..ubuntu-meta there already [05:42] i produced my 3rd coaster iso due to the inputattach shuffling already :( ... this upload should finally solve it [05:43] Kinnison: hey there === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@83.176.88.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MisterN [n=MisterN_@p549CD41C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:06] re === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-93-17.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@234.Red-81-38-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] dapper setup, another attempt at LV, install lilo step fail. what files can I post that will document what happened? [06:34] why does lvm use lilo at all? [06:34] I've been using grub and lvm since warty [06:34] good q === carlos [n=carlos@212.166.174.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:34] can / be on a LV? [06:34] sure [06:34] since breezy afaik [06:38] this is the first time playing with it - the plan was /boot on sda1, swap on sda2, / on sda3 and sdb1 using LV - after fighting with the partitioner and a few reboots, I finally got it to install, but then it wouldn't boot. so tried the install again, now it won't even install [06:39] I have /dev/sda1 /boot - /dev/mapper / root /swap /home [06:39] ogra@aleph:~$ mount|grep ^\/ [06:39] /dev/mapper/vg0-lvol0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) [06:39] /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) [06:39] /dev/mapper/vg1-lvol1 on /var type ext3 (rw) [06:39] works wondeful ... [06:40] ogra: is suspend/hibernate supposed to work on a desktop system with swap on lvm? [06:40] (using grub btw) [06:40] HiddenWolf, good question ... never tried [06:40] since that's the default setup nowadays [06:40] HiddenWolf: I'll let you know if I could get it to boot ;) [06:41] HiddenWolf, suspend shouldnt be any issue ... [06:41] since thats to ram anyway [06:41] i didnt try hibernate with lvm ... [06:41] hm, I can't get either to work for me. [06:42] i doubt thats a lvm issue for suspend [06:42] the nvidia driver might be it. [06:43] oh, indeed [06:43] nvidia is known to break suspend/hibernate [06:43] anything else? [06:43] its pretty sure the nvidia driver ... [06:43] try switching to nv ... [06:44] Hm. I will in a bit. Watching extreme home makeover now === spacey [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beniamino [n=ben@adsl-69-104-176-246.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] what will it take to get scp available in the installer? [06:51] Carlk, you should ask kamion [06:54] I think he's sleeping ;) === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:56] CarlFK, its early sunday afternoon ... i rather guess he's in weekend mode :) [06:56] oh yeah... weekend.. [06:57] ogra: aleph in in hebrew, you know ? :) [06:57] sivang, yup [06:57] ogra: so where did you coin its name from? :) [06:57] its also a wonderful short story by jorge luis borges [06:58] ogra: it is? then I gotta read it sometime soon :) [06:58] yup :) [06:58] ogra: what is it about? [06:58] the aleph is a point in space that unites all times and spaces in a single point in this story ... [06:59] I was also surprised George Kantor used the tem "aleph ephes" to describe the first order of infinity magnitue :-) [06:59] i found that matches a central server of my former comapny quite well ... this machine exists since 8 years ... [06:59] ogra: ah, figures - [07:00] and was the center of my world for years [07:01] sivang: Georg Cantor is the way wikipedia spells it [07:01] MisterN: then they are proibably wrong :) [07:01] sorry, [07:01] then /me/ is probably wrong [07:01] ogra: ah, that figures. Aleph is a symbol for beginningness, for genesis, for a common point [07:02] sivang: i bothered to search because in my memory this was a german not english / french mathematician ;) [07:02] yup [07:02] MisterN: According to my former math professor, he was hungerian , which is proibably more close to germen then english spelling [07:03] sivang: well he was born in st. petersburg so your professor's not entirely wrong and the description "deutscher Mathematiker" is not entirely correct :) [07:04] MisterN: is this the st. petersburg that's currentyl in russia? or are there two of them? [07:04] sivang: probably in russia. [07:05] Hungarian [07:05] tseng: ? [07:06] tseng: ? [07:06] he was hungerian , [07:06] which is proibably more close to germen then english spelling [07:06] well in words hungarian is different from anything === j^ [n=j@e178026071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] tseng: ah, thanks :) but weirdly, I am searching google, and there there are a couple of stories that explain he had been living in germeny and was born in russia, any useful pointer to contradict that? === Arrogance [n=aks@64.26.147.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] sivang: Hungary is right next to germany and they share the language [07:08] germany isnt that old as an official nation === tseng compares dates === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-145-79.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] tseng: WHAT? [07:10] hungary does NOT share the language [07:11] hungary and austria were one nation once ... but they dont share a language [07:11] MisterN: mmm but austria does? [07:11] right [07:11] they split in 1919 [07:12] germany and france once were a nation. but that's LONG ago [07:12] after this guy was already dead [07:12] MisterN, the K&K dynasty isnt *that* long ago === Am|NickTaken is now known as Amaranth [07:12] ogra: reread my sentence [07:12] charlemagne is long ago [07:13] yup [07:13] or rather: karl der groe *heh* [07:13] heh === sivang can't see unicode letters in his irssi forsome reason :-( [07:13] i dont think that was unicode [07:13] & might be ... [07:14] surely are [07:14] mm ogra's are [07:14] http://smartin.bol.ucla.edu/caledonia/images/map-europe.gif <- old card [07:15] mine are unicde: [07:15] ogra: hungerian and germen I thikn have some stuff common, but are mostly different lanugages, right? [07:16] i think hungarian is nearer to polish, russian or other eastern languages [07:17] but the north of hungary might well speak an austrian slang ... === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D267A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] ah [07:18] hungarian isn't even an indoeuropean language [07:18] and it seems it's not like russian but like finnish [07:19] oh, i'd have thought its slavian based [07:19] MisterN: the weirdest thing for me in hungerian, is that some of the words sound close to arabic / turkish prnounciation [07:19] MisterN: (that's what I could spot out when people are talking it) [07:19] other then that, I don't understand anything although I've heared it a lot as a child :) [07:20] sivang: how comes? [07:21] MisterN: my late grandmother used to speak hungerian. === buga [n=burjang@csomalin.csoma.elte.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked [n=ispiked@Sull-05-68.rh.ncsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] ogra: do you know your way around threads in python using thread.start_new_thread and locks ? [07:26] nope [07:27] i never did thread programming in python [07:27] ah okay. I have strage prerformance penalty compared to regular non threaded code that does the same on the threaded version, was hoping for an expert advice :) [07:28] sorry, no threading expert :) [07:28] ogra: okay, I need mvo to come online and talk to him probably === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] sivang: not that I know squat about anything, but a friend has been looking at the Twisted framework, which sounds like it does threading - maybe? [07:31] CarlFK: I'd have to first look at it to know, but I thought it had something to do with web applications no? [07:32] apparently you don't understand the depth of my "don't know squat" ;) [07:33] it came up when someone else was looking to "communicate with other processes via TCP/IP" and Twisted came up === khermans [n=khermans@24.218.45.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/31242 [07:34] malone bug 31242 in Ubuntu "network-admin "double-configure" problem when choosing a preset location and then hitting OK" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [07:35] why can't i properly choose a package name in bugzilla? malone has bugs? [07:35] since i could not, i only filed in the general "UBUNTU" package bug === nnonix [n=null@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spastjeh [n=mrfreeze@61-93.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178026071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] where did /var/log/debian-installer/ go? === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lemsto [n=salim@ANantes-154-1-42-249.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] how can I dump the VT1 screen to a file? [07:54] from the setup's VT2 === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bestadvocate [n=bestadvo@71.31.152.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bestadvocate [n=bestadvo@71.31.152.247] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] is initNG included in dapper? [08:10] or for dapper++? [08:12] hi! [08:13] lemsto: not dapper. it might be considered for dapper+1 [08:13] there is a spec for such an implementation on launchpad ... [08:13] but it doesnt target initng afaik [08:14] search for streamlined-boot [08:14] in the setup, cat /dev/vcs4 gives me what is on VT4, but /dev/vcs1 doesn't give me whats on VT1 - any clue how I get what is on VT1? === nictuku [n=yves@200-140-162-149.bsace7021.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] siretart, ok, thx [08:20] ogra, streamlined-boot is a similar project as initNG? === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] s/as/to :D [08:20] initng is only an attempt to do stuff automated a human will do better ... [08:21] so the idea is to do the same, but without initng as i understood Keybuk who is responsible for the spec [08:21] if we choose something automated, its more likely to be adopted from solaris afaik [08:22] but dont quote me on that, i had only a short talk with Keabuk about it [08:22] *Keybuk [08:22] will it be possible to launch simultenaously 2 services with streamlined-boot? [08:22] yup [08:22] k [08:23] more than two even ... [08:23] hehe [08:23] thank you! now ill try to find some info... [08:23] :) [08:23] (and its planed for dapper??) [08:24] ogra: aren't we already running gdm login while other services are starting? [08:24] sivang, yup [08:24] but there is still a lot room for optimization [08:24] indeed. [08:25] ogra: for dapper still? [08:25] HiddenWolf, ls /etc/rc2.d/ [08:26] gdm starts at 13 .... very early [08:26] ogra: noted, but you said "a lot of room for improvement" [08:26] ogra: so I'm wondering "will dapper get faster yet" [08:26] not for dapper according to the devlopment status streamlined-boot is deferred [08:27] Hm, probably a wise choice. :) [08:27] see the weekly update JaneW sends to the list... [08:27] yeah, forgot to read that one this week. === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _ace [n=ace@63.245.44.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf taps his fingers impatiently [08:36] mjg, you promised === HiddenWolf twiddles thumbs [08:37] HiddenWolf: ??? [08:37] Treenaks: he sent an email to -devel earlier that he was uploading xgl packages [08:38] bah [08:38] And I'm out of weed, so I need crack. :P [08:38] HiddenWolf, arent you in .nl ? [08:38] ogra: yeah. :) [08:38] there should be some open coffes shop ... just go out and find it :P [08:38] HiddenWolf: call the local crack dealer ;) [08:39] ogra: it's sucky weather, and a 10 minute walk. :) [08:39] lol [08:39] Treenaks: that'd be my roomie, but he's out for the weekend. [08:39] HiddenWolf: 2 words: supply management [08:40] Treenaks: please, that's one of my subjects this term. :) [08:40] I'll stick to beer. 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[09:54] i could not search 'python ssl' in the packages description [09:54] Error: keyword not valid or missing [09:55] only single words [09:55] thierry, dapper prefereably [09:56] my project: https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/nwu/trac.cgi/wiki [09:56] i forgot that it would be better not to depend on universe packages [09:57] nictuku : don't know... sorry [09:57] and m2crypto is on universe in dapper too =/ [09:57] thank you [09:58] found. python2.4-pyopenssl [10:01] I love how people can read [10:01] damn one finnish irc channel... big flame war that ubuntu doesn't do nothing "own" just a ugly fork of debian... [10:01] stupid [10:01] :) === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-155-195.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] I think ubuntu makes debian usable ;) === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable104.61-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] damn this make me nervous :D === fbn [n=fbn@p549E0031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] just curious where are you from? [10:06] finland === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] france === Aegir [n=richard@58.104.19.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] if I am having trouble installing on LV, is this the place to report it: https://launchpad.net/products/partconf ? === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83.131.243.221] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178026071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-184-245-170.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk- [n=jk@bh02i525f01.au.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] Riddell: ping ? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@69.210.207.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@83.84.234.155] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] jk-: hi [10:58] Riddell: hiya. just had someone report a dep problem with the kopete meanwhile package. [10:58] apparently it's depending on meanwhile 0.4.x ? [10:58] (i don't have a dapper install handy, sorry :( ) [10:59] libmeanwhile1 (>= 1.0.0) [10:59] oh, cool. [10:59] maybe his repos aren't set up correctly. [10:59] cheers! :) [11:02] mjg59: that mail you sent to -devel about uploading xgl packages, is that still going to happen? [11:02] mjg59: lots of people begging, moaning and willing to get it from anywhere (and mess up their systems)... === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F3A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] jk-: yep, installs here fine in dapper [11:03] Riddell: awesome :) === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@dsl-210-15-201-110.QLD.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213.202.183.117] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] n8 === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62D0C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === floam [n=floam@sh.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alinux [n=Ubuntu@d83-184-245-170.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === j^ [n=j@e178026071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] wow. seb128 is rocking malone.. [11:43] siretart: where ? [11:46] HiddenWolf: Soon [11:46] lucas: I'm watching the mailinglist for bugs in main [11:46] mjg59: how will you solve the patches to mesa and such? [11:47] just wondering about the ubuntu-situation, after spending a time watching a gentoo-buff trying to get it to work [11:47] And telling a half-dozen people to wait a bit before compiling today. :P [11:49] HiddenWolf: We already have the Mesa patches in slightly older form [11:49] mjg59: Anyway, very cool that you are taking time to sort it out. I won't bug you further. === towolf [n=towolf@pD9FCA922.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] CarlFK, rather take it here ... [11:54] so.. how can I grab a screen shot of an installer error message? [11:54] there is already a screencapture from tty1 recorded in the installer log [11:54] no way... [11:54] sure [11:55] which log ? [11:55] i sadly cant remember the right name .. but its in /var/log/installer [11:56] leme lookie [11:56] thre is no var/log/installer [11:57] nor var/log/debian-installer (which was there in breezy) === earobinson111 [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp304544.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] CarlFK, wait for Kamion, he'll be able to tell you tomorrow ... but in any case there is a complete capture of tty1 that you can replay ... looks quite funny [11:58] (unless it was dropped recently) [11:58] replay? thats awesome [11:58] (which i doubt) [11:58] I would hope not === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel