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dolsonhi phanatic12:30
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phanatichi dolson12:35
phanatichey raphink12:35
phanaticraphink: thanks for having a look at ubuntu-grub-splashimages :)12:35
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raphinkhi phanatic12:38
raphinkyou're welcome phanatic12:39
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dolsonquiet day02:17
LaserJock_awayyes02:18
minghuapeople taking a break when almost all servers are down, perhaps? :-)02:20
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Hobbseeoh, *those* servers being down - they were working for me earlier02:24
dolsonmy guess is people just have a life02:27
dolsonwhereas I haven't left my PC in over 72 hours02:27
dolsonoh no, I did, I went for coffee last night, that's right heh02:27
dolsonoh sweet, Forest just uploaded fluidsynth-dssi to revu02:28
LaserJockyes, I suppose a life might have something to do with it but my bet is on the servers being down ;-)02:29
dolsonheh02:31
fbondhey02:34
fbondfbond = forest02:34
fbondwhat's up, Dana?02:34
dolsonminghua: was it you who mentioned I should grep through the desktop files for my ubuntu studio launcher? I think it was, but I'm still learning people's names02:34
dolsonoh hey man02:34
dolsonI didn't know you were on IRC :)02:35
dolsonfbond: I packed mx44 and my ubuntustudiolauncher and I did a man page for seq24 and a patch from persia, and uploaded to REVU02:36
fbondyeah, i saw that.  things are looking up for ubuntu music :)02:37
fbondi'm hoping to get a few more packages in there02:37
dolsonfbond: I am thinking of packing om and omins next. I think willem did the debianization, so I'll have a look at them next02:37
fbonddolson: cool.  i'm going to power through hexter and xsynth-dssi, and see if I can figure out some legal way to do dssi-vst02:38
dolsonfbond: that is awesome.. even if all we need is a tutorial on dssi-vst, then it's still great to have all else in Ubuntu directly02:39
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dolsonfbond: I saw that LMMS 0.1.4 came out not long ago.. as well as ardour 0.99.1. I don't know how likely it is that these would be approved, but I sure hope at least ardour is because it has a lot of fixes.. people getting stuck in the export dialog box, for example02:40
fbonddolson: agreed.  ardour should be all set in dapper?  I've been tracking the ardour email lists, and 0.99.1 seems to have introduced a new bug.  is the maintainer aware?  who is the maintainer?02:40
fbonddolson: yes, ardour 0.99.1 fixes many bugs as well.02:40
dolsonfbond: it did? hmm.. the maintainer is rjo from debian02:40
fbonddolson: yeah, i would guess that a quick 0.99.2 may be put out to correct the problem, which several users have run into02:41
fbonddolson: huh.  I just looked at LMMS.  hadn't heard of it before.02:42
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dolsonfbond: it is supposed to be really good... it is developing fast, and when I first tried it, it sucked, crashed, didn't even give me sound02:43
minghuadolson: no, that's not me02:43
dolsonfbond: it has VST support as well, at least in CVS.. btw, several people I know that I won't name have whispered about forking ardour.. they claim that paul is hostile toward debian and has no clue about UI design02:43
fbonddolson: bad idea.  i feel that paul knows what he's doing.02:45
fbonddolson: ui stuff seems like an obvious no-no.  ardour ignores gnome theme.  i think they are working on it.02:46
dolsonfbond: I advised against it.. I can't code very well myself (Battle Pong is proof of that, although someone took the effort to port it to Xbox) so I couldn't help.. and yeah, I really hope that the GTK2 port follows the theme02:46
fbonddolson: i think the "hostility" stems from the fact that paul is critical of the debian devs' decision to compile against system libs instead of using included versions02:47
fbonddolson: yeah, ardour is huge and complex02:47
fbonddolson: "fork" is barely a credible concept there02:47
fbonddolson: and paul is really smart02:48
dolsonfbond: I don't doubt it. I would rather they contact him and discuss contributing.. although, the ardour site recommends against debian and ubuntu.. and ONLY those two. for some reason.02:49
fbonddolson: this is true.  many people feel that debian's commitment to libre software is a bit suffocating02:49
fbonddolson: some have carried that attitude to ubuntu02:50
fbonddolson: (i find that ubuntu is much more pragmatic)02:50
fbonddolson: debian tends to be out-of-date, and not include support for hardware for which no OS driver exists02:51
dolsonfbond: well, if he has an issue with the politics, he should leave it off of the site.. I am not sure though, because he claims that the "initial setup" is not good for newbies. whatever that means. I found Ubuntu way easier than Mandrake, and I used to maintain a Mandrake site before I switched to debian 3 years ago02:51
fbonddolson: i think that paul probably hasn't used ubuntu, and ubuntu lacked a lot of audio software (until three months from now)02:51
fbonddolson: fact remains that, if you want to run an ubuntu DAW, you have to compile stuff02:52
fbonddolson: as opposed to FC, where you can just point your system at PlanetCCRMA02:52
fbonddolson: and the politics have practical consequences02:53
dolsonfbond: yeah, but that's no different than, say, Gentoo, where you compile everything.. no major distros are out-of-the-box DAW ready02:53
fbonddolson: it's a bit different when the whole point of your distro is to compile everything :)02:53
fbonddolson: spend some time lurking on #ardour, you will be impressed.  the devs react really fast to bugs, etc, and really know the software well02:54
dolsonfbond: well, I know! but how could you recommend against Debian and Ubuntu? Debian, you could just point your system to DeMuDi. :) but I know what you mean. I just think that the message is unneeded on his site, that's all. I don't know how to really use ardour much, but the bit I experimented with was quite impressive02:55
fbonddolson: i tried DeMuDi.  Idunno, it was lacking something in the quality dept., I thought.02:57
fbonddolson: I guess you can just point Debian at DeMuDi repos.  But I stopped using Debian on my desktop for a reason. :)02:57
LaserJockraphink: ping?02:58
raphinkLaserJock: pong <><02:58
dolsonfbond: Yeah, I know. I said as much on the LAU list, and it got a little warm :) anyhow, my background is highly in favor of hardware... I was anti-software-based music creation for a long time, and swore I'd never do it. but I got interested in it for some strange reason. weird how that works... I was using my PC only for a digital multitrack via Audacity. I have used it for years.. but there is just so much that it can't do in compar02:58
dolsonison to JACK and everything else02:58
fbonddolson: yeah, virtual reality is always more flexible. :)02:59
fbonddolson: with music, though, limitations are not always bad things02:59
LaserJockraphink: I think that the bug day is on the 17th02:59
raphinkLaserJock: really?03:00
dolsonfbond: I still really like hardware, so I am kinda conflicted about the whole thing. I don't know how to get really decent results from softsynths yet, but with my Yamaha RM1x, I can get the sounds I like easily03:00
raphinkpropose another date LaserJock :)03:00
LaserJockraphink: yeah, it was in dholbach's annoucement03:00
raphinkoh yeah03:01
raphinkLaserJock: then propose another day and that's fine :)03:01
fbonddolson: my guess is that it's a matter of knowing your gear.  then again, DSSI/LADSPA is far behind VST stuff, so sound quality may reflect the ... limited ... state of the art with Linux soft synths03:01
fbonddolson: i've heard music written with nothing but software.  it can be quite good. :)03:02
dolsonfbond: I haven't heard anything back from Mark or Daniel or anything since last time regarding the kernel or packages. Mark just told Daniel to link me to REVU and he said to get the software we need from DeMuDi into it asap03:02
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fbonddolson: do we need to get a RT kernel in there ourselves?03:02
fbonddolson: i already have a 2.6.12-ck6 package03:03
fbonddolson: would that be useful?03:03
dolsonfbond: the last word was Mark knows some people who have the muscle to pull it off, and he ended with "More in due course:03:03
fbonddolson: i'm not sure if anyone thought REVU would be a route for kernel package upload :)03:03
crimsunwell, there's always the stop-gap solution of realtime-lsm03:04
dolsonno, realtime-lsm is something totally different03:04
crimsunLee's working on getting the necessary pam patches in shape03:04
crimsundolson: I do know.03:04
fbondyeah, fully preemptible kernel is what we'd like03:05
dolsonfbond: I don't think it is.. I recommend to just work on apps for now. I'll hear from Mark soon enough. I don't expect an -rt kernel with full preemption in Dapper, but probably Dapper+103:06
LaserJockraphink: what about the 15th. We have a MOTU meeting on that day, maybe if everybody is around for that they can do some REVUing as well ;-)03:06
dolsoncrimsun: I thought that mdz approved the patch already and it went through?03:06
fbondhmmm.  that does sound reasonable...03:06
crimsundolson: got a link to the approval?03:06
dolsoncrimsun: no, but I can get a link to lee telling me that on the LAU list03:07
dolsonfbond: besides, what's a -rt kernel without the apps? :)03:07
fbonddolson: true03:07
crimsunI don't see anything in our pam indicating it has been merged03:08
dolsonfbond: the dapper kernel has CONFIG_PREEMPT=y which is a big improvement over Breezy performance-wise, coupled with realtime-lsm, set_rlimits, or patched-pam, and it's almost decent to do some non-pro work03:08
raphinkLaserJock: sure, that's a good date03:09
raphinkLaserJock: in the middle of the week, so noboby is away in their week-end03:09
raphinkLaserJock: you can propose that, I'll +03:09
crimsunraphink: what meeting?03:09
raphinkok I'm off to bed03:09
raphinklater people :)03:09
raphinkcrimsun: it's for REVU day03:09
crimsunah03:10
dolsoncrimsun: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2006-February/031249.html03:10
crimsunthese silly workweek things.03:10
raphinkannounced by dholbach03:10
dolsoncya raphink03:10
raphinkbut no date was chosen yet03:10
raphinkand it's qutie urgent03:10
crimsunI'll ping pitti regarding pam, then03:11
dolsoncrimsun: in that thread, I mistyped Breezy instead of Dapper, in case you were confused03:11
crimsunno, I did the necessary substitution03:11
dolson:)03:12
dolsonhe said it was on the -devel list, but I didn't see it and I didn't pursue it further03:13
crimsunrelevant link I see is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015008.html03:15
dolsoncrimsun: I posted in that thread last. I didn't see where mdz sent it out to get it worked on, as lee said03:17
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dolsonfbond: do you have any of your music online?04:05
fbonddolson: i could get it there, but won't :)04:06
dolson:(04:06
fbondsorry, my stringer quality standards prohibit virtually everything i've ever done from going anywhere04:07
fbonds/stringer/stringent/04:07
dolsonbah, my music is crap, but I still put it on my site, and even try to sell a demo CD04:07
fbondboth routes carry certain risks, i suppose04:09
dolsonoh man, I'm watching King of the Ring '98 and Mick Foley took a dive off the top of the steel cage, through an announcer table.. what an idiot04:09
fbonderm what.. who.. is that?04:10
dolsonlol, it's some old old wrestling stuff04:10
dolsonwhat a way to spend my saturday night04:11
fbond:) my gf is into wrestling, mostly as a form of social exploration04:11
dolsondoes she watch it on TV or does she actually wrestle?04:12
fbondheh, a) shes's been to live events, b) she occasionally watches on TV, and c) that's none of your goddamn business04:13
fbondjk04:13
dolsonhaha04:14
dolsontell her she should watch TNA iMPACT! in about 45 minutes on SpikeTV :) if she doesn't already have a timer set04:14
fbondwell, we lack cable TV these days... it's part of a concerted effort to improve productivity04:17
dolsontell her about pwtorrents.net then ;)04:17
dolsonand hey, I thought the productivity thing was none of my business04:18
fbondpwtorrents.net -> wow... and ... it still isn't04:20
fbondk, gotta run04:24
fbondlet me know if you get any more news on RT kernel04:24
fbond-Forest04:25
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dolsonhello janm and robertj04:34
janmhi dolson04:35
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LaserJockare there any MOTUs awake? I need to get some syns requested05:51
LaserJocksyncs that is05:52
crimsunsure, what's up?05:52
LaserJockplotdrop and easychem need to be synced and gausssum added05:54
LaserJockalso, if there are new Debian version and there wan't a previous Ubuntu version can we just sync those or do we need to verify that they build ok?05:55
crimsunthose can be synced, but they probably need to pass through dholbach requesting them (already in Debian but NEW in Ubuntu due to sync)05:57
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LaserJockgausssum should be the only one new to Ubuntu or am I misunderstanding you?05:59
jah_raztahhi, is this the channel were one can request for a package to be added to dapper?05:59
crimsunLaserJock: that's correct. As a sanity check, are the orig.tar.gzs identical for plotdrop and easychem in Ubuntu and Debian?05:59
LaserJockcrimsun: plotdrop, yes (I'm the debian maintainer), gimme a sec to check easychem (Kyral's)06:00
crimsunthey need to be identical, or the sync attempt will be rejected, and elmo will have my head06:01
LaserJockof course06:01
LaserJockbut then you could always blame me, he will understand I'm sure.06:01
crimsunyeah, but that doesn't excuse us for not checking prior :)06:03
dolsonjah_raztah: I think you can do it on the wiki, but I am interested in what package you want added because I'm nosy06:06
LaserJockmd5sums are the same for easychem and plotdrop06:06
crimsungreat, thanks.06:07
jah_raztahoh, beep-media-player develpment is dead, thus a new project called audacious has began to pick up where bmp left off, and it's very solid so far and has built in support for mp3, wma and other codecs06:07
jah_raztahmp3 sound much better on it then they do on xmms or beep-media-player06:08
LaserJockjah_raztah: that right, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates is probably what you want, although it might be there already06:08
dolsonjah_raztah: I have heard of it.. someone in another channel recommended it to me the other day06:08
LaserJockI see BMPx is there but not audacious06:08
jah_raztahthough it is under heavy development, all of the major releases are complete and everything works06:08
jah_raztahunlike bmpx06:09
crimsunjah_raztah: I'm waiting for bmpx can be removed, really. It's in Debian's NEW.06:09
crimsuns/I'm waiting for //g06:09
jah_raztahbmpx devs release un finished and broken product06:09
crimsunwe'll sync it, hopefully06:09
crimsunjah_raztah: 0.13 is hardly what I'd call finished06:09
jah_raztahyes06:10
crimsunfurthermore, neither descender nor deadchip call it finished or feature-complete06:10
crimsunit's known to be in flux06:10
jah_raztahbut take a look at audacious 0.2, you'll find it to be very much functioning and completed06:10
crimsunjah_raztah: I know, I follow its development06:10
crimsunI'm just clarifying that no one calls bmpx "complete" or "finished"06:11
jah_raztahyes, i did not mean to say it's complete, i was just saying that the releases that are released have alot of unfinished things, and very unstable compared to audacious06:12
jah_raztahthat is why i prefer to see audacious06:12
jah_raztahin the repos06:12
jah_raztahthat is all06:12
dolsonjah_raztah:  I would like to see it too. is it in debian?06:12
jah_raztahi'm not sure06:12
jah_raztahi've installed it in breezy06:13
dolsonanswer is: not as of feb. 906:13
jah_raztahhave it running with almost all the feature enabled06:13
jah_raztahubuntu will never have software added to it's repository if its not in debian?06:14
crimsunincorrect, it has software not in Debian06:14
jah_raztahoh06:14
crimsunlikewise, Debian has software that will miss getting into Ubuntu due to cutoffs in syncing06:15
dolsonit's just easier if it's already there06:15
jah_raztahoh i see06:15
jah_raztahi've been searching through the ubuntu website, trying to find the scheduals for the flight cds06:16
jah_raztahbut couldn't find it06:16
LaserJockI don't think they are scheduled, I could be wrong06:16
jah_raztahi'm interested in flight cd 4, due to many improvments and the inclusion of ubuntu express06:16
crimsunhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule06:16
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jah_raztahyes i've been to that webpage06:17
jah_raztahdoesn't mention anything about the flight cds06:17
jah_raztahit does mention a beta release for mar 23rd06:17
crimsunflights aren't laid out06:18
jah_raztahalright06:18
jah_raztahdistrowatch does the work for me and reports when it does release06:19
jah_raztahthanks for all the help and information06:19
jah_raztahgood bye06:19
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LaserJockcrimsun: can I get you to request syncs of advi and autoclass ? no ubuntuX versions just bumped Debian versions. they build in dapper and orig.tar.gz files are the same07:02
crimsunLaserJock: sure. Any more in the next hourish (so I can batch them to elmo)?07:07
LaserJockcrimsun: no, I need to get to bed.07:07
crimsunok.07:08
crimsunI'll ask for them before I head out (~1 hr)07:08
crimsunhe's probably asleep after a day at the datacentre07:08
LaserJockyeah07:09
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Plug_Hi.  Anyone know if anyone is packaging mythtv for Debian/Ubuntu since mdz stopped?07:44
crimsunit's still packaged07:47
crimsunI plan to get the -fixes branch in07:48
Plug_for dapper?07:48
crimsunyes07:48
Plug_What about 0.19?07:48
crimsunwe've passed UVF07:49
Plug_right07:49
crimsunit's worth discussing with the rest of the MOTUMedia team, though07:49
crimsunthere seem to be a fair number of important fixes07:50
crimsununfortunately there also seem to be a huge number of feature additions07:50
Plug_Yeah, it wouldn't exactly be considered tested by the time of release.07:51
Plug_I'm interested in being bleeding edge, of course. :)07:51
Plug_There is currently a thread on mythtv-dev about getting a working debian/ dir for 0.19, using marillat's package: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/17870307:54
Plug_..might come in handy.07:54
crimsunI'm pretty sure I personally won't push for 0.1907:55
crimsun-fixes svn branch for 0.18.1 should be sufficient for Dapper07:56
crimsun3 (5) years is a long time to deal with 0.19 otherwise07:56
Plug_true07:57
Plug_If I get it all going I'll make sure there is a page in the MythTV wiki about getting newer packages. ;)07:58
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phanatichi people11:01
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phanatichi raphink12:20
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\shdid i miss an announcement of the server downtime?01:32
ograobviously ...01:33
ograhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-February/000049.html01:33
\shargl...i'm not subscribed to ubuntu-announce, only -deve-announce01:34
\shhmm..so the service window is slightly increased :)01:36
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\shmoins ogra btw01:36
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ogramoin :)01:36
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pefmotu-reviewers: is someone against the fact I upload packages with contributed desktop file ? better package them to have user feedback than leaving them on LP :)02:19
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YagisanG'day all02:35
Yagisansaw something interesting today02:36
Yagisanapt-torrent http://sianka.free.fr/index.html it seems to be a way to deliver .debs via bittorrent02:37
StevenKThat's fairly old.02:37
StevenKAnd from what I remember of the discussion, required changes to the Packages files to maintain the hash of each file.02:38
Yagisandoes it actually work ?02:38
YagisanI thought it was a nice idea02:38
StevenKPersonally, I don't care. My downloads from {au.,}archive.ubuntu.com are fast enough.02:38
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YagisanStevenK: we are still on for lunch this thursday ?02:39
StevenKWe certainly are.02:39
Yagisanexcellent :)02:40
StevenK.. did we end up picking a time?02:40
Yagisanyes. You said 12:30 was good for you02:40
StevenKAh, right.02:40
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Yagisanmines getting old :( I got it at UDU02:41
Yagisanif that apt-torrent thing works, it might be good for my repo02:43
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Yagisanzakame: 02:46
Yagisanzakame: hows it going ?02:47
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phanatichey zakame02:49
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zakameheya Yagisan phanatic :D02:51
zakameYagisan: how do you enable that Japanese IM?02:52
zakamehi MOTUs :)02:53
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Yagisanzakame: I installed uim on breezy, but am looking forward to minghua's work on scim in dapper02:56
zakameooh!02:56
Yagisanzakame: uim only works in gnome apps02:56
zakameI'll try that then :)02:56
Yagisanzakame: and breaks half of universe and things like sun java02:56
zakamethat's ok, just about everything I do is either in Emacs, or in a chroot ;)02:57
Yagisanzakame: you need uim-anthy and you probably want to install a few other uim packages02:58
Yagisanzakame: such as uim-xim uim-gtk2.0 uim-applet-gnome02:59
zakameahhh03:00
zakamek, grabbing those then (apt-cache seems to suggest those too :)03:01
Yagisanzakame: did you see my www site ?03:04
zakamenot yet, where's that?03:05
Yagisanzakame: www.eyagiconsulting.com03:07
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freeflying_Yagisan: if you use dapper , why don't u use scim03:09
Yagisanfreeflying_ I don't use dapper on production boxes03:12
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freeflying_Yagisan: actually , scim can be used in breezy too03:13
stratusajmitch_, ping03:16
zakameYagisan: your page is somehow taking too long to load :/03:18
zakameooh its in plone03:21
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StevenKWho'd have thunk burning a DVD could cause a load of 12.03:24
StevenKI certainly didn't.03:24
ograthunk ?03:26
ograthats .au slang ?03:26
tsengthought03:26
ogratseng, i got that, was just wondering :)03:26
tsengits a bad conjugation to be cute03:26
StevenKogra: It's some kind of slang - I actually have no idea.03:26
ograheh03:26
tsengit bugs me03:26
tsenglike sink - sunk03:27
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ograouch03:27
ograStevenK, complain at Keybuk ...03:27
tsengmm it is /tmp03:27
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StevenKI only have myself to blame - I should have thought before bashing the Reset button.03:28
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Yagisanre03:33
YagisanStevenK: dvd burning can cause quite high loads on my box too - but my burner is crap. the box locks up when it tries a cd-rw03:35
StevenKUgh.03:36
StevenKI've never seen it do that before.03:36
apacheloggerre03:36
YagisanStevenK: some gigabyte dual layer POS03:37
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StevenKMy DVD burner is some no-name single layer thing03:37
YagisanI should have bought a lite-on like my cd-rw and dvd-rom03:38
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Yagisananyone else have troublewith dvd+rw media. my burner seems unable to erase and re-write them :(03:40
nlindbladevening masters03:51
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Yagisanzakame: wb03:52
zakamethanks Yagisan :)03:53
Yagisanzakame: yeah my site is a bit slow. it's link is saturated today :(03:53
Yagisanzakame: so, can I interest you in an Ubuntu migration ;)03:55
zakameYagisan: what's it about? :)03:55
Yagisanzakame: something you probably don't need if you are here. I come in and switch your windows boxes to Ubuntu gradually, and train you to use your new (now working) system for work.03:59
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zakameooh04:04
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zakamehuh? what's with the devel ML today? spam detector spamming?04:07
Yagisanzakame: well, it's more enjoyable then fixing the windows boxes. No one has called to say their Ubuntu box is broken.04:08
xhakerthe spam is not triggering the removal.. it's spam with low rating04:08
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zakameYagisan: yes, I can imagine you'd be able to do more ubuntu dev work too :)04:14
Yagisanzakame: that would be nice, but as my www site indicates, I'm more interested in Ubuntu security04:17
zakameyea04:19
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sistpotyhi folks04:25
zakameheya sistpoty04:28
sistpotyhi zakame04:28
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kyralWhee, time to recover GRUB05:23
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KyralVictory is mine :D06:24
jpatrickok06:24
KyralOnce again I recover my system from a situation that normal people would have reinstalled ;P06:25
sistpotyKyral: what is reinstalling? :P06:26
KyralThats my point ;P06:26
KyralGRUB went wonky and said it couldn't load /dev/hda2 (my /)06:26
KyralSo, I chrooted in with a LiveCD, upgraded to the latest Dapper updates, reinstalled GRUB, and unprelinked(which I think had something to do with it)06:27
jpatrickwhich is what I would of done06:28
KyralYes, but like the rest of my friends would have just given up :P06:28
KyralI'm riding a Geek Ego Boost, gimme a break ;P06:28
sistpotyKyral: you're lucky... my friends would have called me for help *g*06:29
jpatrickMy friends would of have installed Windows :(06:29
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jpatrickraphink: uploaded new kmplayer package06:38
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Toadstoolsistpoty: hi, I've put a new wide-dhcpv6 package with po-debconf and a french translation on REVU06:42
sistpotyhi Toadstool: hopefully I'll have time to review it tonight ;)06:43
Toadstoolcool :)06:44
Kyral..I unprelinked06:45
fbondanyone have time to check out a few packages i've uploaded to REVU?06:45
Kyralbut I forgot I still had prelink set to run after Apt operations,,06:45
raphinkfbond: give me the name, url on REVU and url of the upstream tarball unless you have a debian/watch in the package06:46
raphinkfbond: and I'll run a report on them06:46
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fbondthere are debian/watch files for both packages: dssi, fluidsynth-dssi06:47
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fbondraphink: thank you, btw06:48
fbondraphink: dssi is at (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1749), and fluidsynth-dssi is at (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1750)06:49
raphinkgbo, Toadstool, jpatrick : check your packages in a few minutes as I'm running revu-report06:50
raphinkI'll have a look at them "manually" in a while06:50
Toadstoolok06:50
jpatrickraphink: thank you :)06:50
fbondraphink: "manually" ? as opposed to...?06:51
Toadstoolrevu-report I suppose06:52
fbondah06:53
jpatrickyahoo. kmplayer built06:55
phanaticraphink: if it's not too late, please run revu-report on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1751 as well, please :)06:58
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phanaticraphink: another thing: is there a problem with the packages you uploaded last week (nanoweb, sysinfo)? they didn't appear in the archives, just on launchpad...07:03
sistpotyphanatic: probably these are still in the new queue07:03
phanaticsistpoty: does it take so long to get into the archives?07:04
sistpotyphanatic: sometimes...07:05
ograNEW needs manual processing07:05
ograits queued until someone unleashes it07:05
phanaticsistpoty, ogra: thanks for the info... then i'll be waiting patiently :)07:06
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raphinkfbond: your packages seem to have FTBFS. Check the REVU pages07:08
raphinkat least ddsi FTBFS07:08
raphinkand fluidsynth-dssi fails because it can't find dssi07:09
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phanaticraphink: i'll corrent mine as well07:14
raphinkgood07:14
sealneraphink: any chance of looking at my latest dcfldd (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1745) only change is to debian/watch?07:15
fbondraphink: ah.  thanks.  packages build fine under breezy.  didn't know i needed to check things with pbuilder.07:24
phanaticcool... i cannot test with pbuilder, coz it's unable to fetch one package from the archives...07:24
ografbond, in any case you need to package for dapper, not for breezy07:26
sistpotyphanatic: try updating your pbuilder07:26
sistpoty(sudo pbuilder update)07:26
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phanaticsistpoty: thanks07:27
raphinkfbond: breezy is frozen, we don't add new software to it07:30
sealneraphink: sorry just uploaded a new version of dcfldd that uses the correct Homepage: format in debian/control hadn't noticed that before07:35
raphinkyour debian/watch doesn't work either, sealne07:35
sealnebah07:35
sealnei hate debian/watch07:35
raphinklol07:36
raphinkthen give me the url to the upstream tarball please :)07:36
raphinkoh well nm I'll find it :)07:36
raphinksealne: I see a new version of dcfldd on the website : 1.3.407:37
raphinkis there a reason why you're packaging 1.3.3 ?07:37
sealnei had been testing it by running "uscan" in the source directory which produced no output, how should i test it?07:37
sealneoh great 1.3.4 of dcfldd just came out today07:37
raphinkhehe ;)07:37
raphinkcan you update your package and upload again sealne ?07:38
phanaticsealne: uscan --verbose?07:38
sealneyep grrr :)07:38
raphinkuscan --report07:38
sealnephanatic: still didn't complain07:38
sealnek07:38
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raphinksealne: new version = new features + bugs fixed07:39
raphinkso be happy07:39
sealneheh07:41
sealneshould i just pretend that i never did anything with 1.3.3 or mention in changelog?07:41
phanaticsealne: empty changelog07:42
raphinkyou pretend you never knew it07:42
raphink;)07:42
raphinkin the changelog07:42
sealnek07:42
sealnebtw:07:42
sealnekd@napier-01:~/dev/ubuntu/dcfldd/dcfldd-1.3.4$ uscan --report07:42
sealnedcfldd: Newer version (1.3.4) available on remote site:07:42
sealne  http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/dcfldd/dcfldd-1.3.4.tar.gz07:42
sealne  (local version is 1.3.3)07:42
fbondogra: yeah, my package is for dapper, i've just been doing basic verification of packaging under breezy07:42
sealneraphink: what do you get from uscan --report?07:43
raphinkI get the same as you sealne07:43
raphinkso it works07:43
raphinkit's revu-report that doesnt detect newer versions proprely and I know why ;)07:44
raphinkbut I'm waiting for revu-tools to be in dapper07:44
sealneah i was getting confused about that07:45
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phanaticraphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=175708:07
sealneraphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=175808:11
siretarthi folks08:12
phanatichi siretart08:13
siretarthi phanatic08:13
phanaticsiretart: could you have a look at this one: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1705 ?08:14
sealneraphink: actually new version incomping had an old date in copyright08:14
sistpotyhi siretart08:14
siretarthuhu sistpoty08:14
fbonddoes pbuilder create take a really long time?08:15
sealnedepends on your connection and machine, its creating a basic install so has to get a fair amount08:15
sistpotystratus: I am just looking at pyspf and want to drop 2.2 support and enable 2.4 support for ubuntu, since we don't have 2.2 any longer and 2.4 is the default. any objections?08:15
raphinksealne: uscan gets the HTML page, not the tarball08:16
fbondif things were not configured properly, pbuilder should just fail without delay, correct?08:16
stratussistpoty, i'll do that in Debian tonight. Do you want to wait my upload and sync? There's already a bug about that in Debian BTS.08:16
raphinkfbond: pbuilder does take a long time to creat08:17
sistpotystratus: I'll happily wait for your upload... thx!08:17
siretartlets see if removing gnome-power-manager fixes my suspend problems08:17
stratussistpoty, np, i think it will hit the archive in the dinstall run tomorrow.08:17
sealneraphink: still?08:17
sealnegrr08:17
sistpotystratus: cool08:17
raphinksealne: yeah :(08:18
siretartphanatic: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ubuntu-grub-splashimages-0602081940/lintian08:18
phanaticsiretart: please read raphink's comment about this08:19
siretartah, this is cdbs, right08:19
siretartbut wait, this is an arch: all package08:20
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siretarthi lucas08:20
phanaticsiretart: this was discussed recently on debian-devel (as raphink told me)08:20
lucashi all :-)08:20
raphinknot recently, but it was discussed on d-d phanatic ;)08:20
phanaticraphink: sorry... then you told me about this recently (that's the correct statement maybe) ;)08:21
raphinksiretart: from what I understood, dependencies that are called during clean should nto be in -Indep because clean is not indep08:21
siretartraphink: so this would be a bug in lintian08:22
raphinkyes siretart08:22
raphinksiretart: lintian can be ignored on this08:22
raphinksealne: report is fine on dcfldd08:23
raphinksealne: i'll havea look at it later ;)08:23
raphinkI have to go now08:23
raphink++ people :)08:23
sistpotycya raphink08:23
phanaticbye raphink08:23
siretartbye raphink08:24
jpatrickbonsoir raphink08:24
siretartphanatic: I'm happy with the package, but I'm a bit undecided with the name. ubuntu-grub-splashimages sounds like something rather for main than for universe08:25
phanaticsiretart: see kubuntu-grub-splashimages :)08:25
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phanaticSection: universe/admin08:26
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siretarthm. and it touches /boot/grub/menu.lst without any warning..08:27
phanatichmm... it's there for me08:27
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phanaticsiretart: i just modified the appropriate parts of the kubuntu-grub-splashimages package to fit08:28
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siretartinteresting. it is listed in lp, why not on my system?08:30
phanaticdunno08:30
ograNEW ?08:30
phanaticogra: surely not08:30
siretartogra: do you have it in your apt-cache?08:30
phanaticsiretart: i do have it08:31
ograi only have grub-splashimages ...08:32
ogranothing edubuntu, kubuntu or ubuntu specific ...08:32
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siretartintersting08:33
phanaticFilename: pool/universe/k/kubuntu-grub-splashimages/kubuntu-grub-splashimages_1.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb08:33
phanaticsnippet from apt-cache show output08:33
siretarthttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kubuntu-grub-splashimages/08:33
siretartit is there08:33
ograi'm on amd64 ... is it build i386 specific (would be silly) ?08:34
siretartha, thats it08:35
siretartit is i386 only08:35
ograheh08:35
ograno need for that08:35
siretartphanatic: why no amd64?08:35
phanaticyeah, it's not all for some reasons (see it's revu page)08:36
ograppc doesnt have grub it wont get built anyway08:36
ograand amd64 has grub ...08:36
phanaticsiretart: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=116308:36
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ograjust make it [i386 amd64]  then :)08:37
ograbut "all" should do no harm either08:37
phanaticogra: my package has 'all'08:38
siretartphanatic: no. it is potentially build for 'any' architecture listed in your architecture line08:39
siretartphanatic: I don't see any architecture specific bits in your package, though08:39
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ograyeah, make it "any" and make the binary package depend on grub ...08:40
siretartok. /me gets pissed08:40
siretarteither gnome-powermanager or gnome-screensaver is the culprit08:40
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siretartogra: sounds sensibe. I agree08:41
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siretartogra: sorry, I had nothing but problems since I tried to use it08:43
ograsiretart, yes, i saw that, but i wonder why08:43
siretartthe most annoying thing is that it looses focus08:44
ograit seems to work for the majority ... and as i said before, g-p-m is totally dumb ... it calls only pmi08:44
siretartso I don't even see a password window08:44
siretarthm08:44
ograoh, youre talking about g-s-s08:44
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siretartthe current problem was this:08:45
siretartI press my suspend hotkey, the laptop suspends08:45
siretartI want to wake it up, but the laptop immediatly resuspends (1.5 seks)08:45
phanaticsiretart: sorry for disturbing you with my little problems :) so i only have to change "Architecture: all" to "any", right?08:45
siretartI wake it up again, and the screen gets garbled08:45
siretart:/08:45
ograhmm, are you sure its not an ibm thing with the scpi scripts and pmi ?08:46
ogra*acpi08:46
siretartphanatic: change it to 'all', it currently has a list of supported architectures08:46
siretartogra: this is an ibm thinkpad R4008:46
ogrado the ibm lappies have any specific tool ?08:46
ograapart from acpi-scripts08:47
siretartthey have an ibm-acpi.ko for enabling hotkeys, but they work fine for me08:47
ograi have had probs with pbbuttonsd on my ibook, since it tried to do the same pmi did08:47
ograpitti sorted that ...08:47
siretartlet me try pmi from the shell08:47
ograjust try it from logout08:48
siretartthats my next problem:08:48
dolsoncould someone help me with this? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=174308:48
siretartwhen I want to logout, the complete gnome-session gets frozen for 5 mins08:48
siretartthis seems unrelated (at least I hope)08:48
ograthats a known bug many people see08:48
siretartand my local loopback IS okay, I checked that many many time08:49
siretarts08:49
phanaticsiretart: my package has "all": http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ubuntu-grub-splashimages-0602081940/ubuntu-grub-splashimages-1.0/debian/control08:49
ograi see it during liveCd tests as well ... its something in the session that doesnt shut down properly08:49
siretartphanatic: your's does have. kubuntu-g-s does not08:50
siretartok. 'sudo pmi action suspend' works like a charm08:50
phanaticsiretart: are there any other issues then regarding ubuntu-grub-splashimages?08:51
ograthen it might be a problem with the hal pmi helper or you have something left from the old acpi-scripts stuff08:51
siretartphanatic: well, I'm not convinced about the postinst. It should be save, but I don't have a good feeling with that08:52
ogradid you edit the defaults at some point ?08:52
siretartwell, I did edit in /etc/acpi/scripts, yes08:52
siretartmainly in order to integrate whereami08:52
phanaticsiretart: i see...08:52
ograso they probably didnt get overwritten08:52
siretarthow can I check if there is some cruft left over08:52
phanatici just thought that kubuntuz08:52
ogradpkg -S `08:52
ogra?08:52
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phanatici just thought that kubuntu-grub-splashimages was accepted with these scripts08:53
ograsiretart, you clearly have two apps trying to perform the same action ...08:53
siretartphanatic: not by me ;)08:54
siretartogra: yes, it looks like. But which and why?08:54
phanaticsiretart: that's right ;)08:55
ograsiretart, no real clue ... but i suspect there is a leftover from the old acpi-scripts ... try purge and look whats left ...08:55
siretartogra: I've just seen some '.dpkg-old' files lying around. I try to diff/merge them08:56
ograah08:56
siretartafter I filed a bug agains k-grub-splashimages08:56
ogra:)08:56
siretartbug filed, raphink subscribed08:59
ograhmm, Riddell and slomo approved it ...09:04
jpatrickwhat about ppc?09:06
ograppc has no grub09:06
jpatrickah right09:07
ograand yaboot cant do any graphical stuff09:07
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siretartthe files itself are architecture independant, there is no point in wasting space for every arch on the mirrors09:07
raphinksiretart: the arch line in k-g-s is the same as grub09:07
raphinksiretart: it's nonsense to use all for this package since it won't be of any use for ppc for ex09:08
ograbut it doesnt get built for amd6409:08
raphinkwel then there has to be seen why09:08
raphinki'll check the buildlogs09:09
phanaticraphink: but it depends on grub09:10
phanaticso it will be installable only on i386 and amd6409:10
raphinkthe reason why build failed on amd64 seems to be cdbs09:10
raphinkfunnily enough09:10
raphinkdebian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: No such file or directory09:11
raphinkmake: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk'.  Stop.09:11
raphinkthat's what made it fail09:11
raphinkalthough package explicitely depends on cdbs09:11
siretartraphink: anyway, what architecture dependant parts are in the package?09:12
ograthere is nop binary data at all in the package ... its fine to make it arch all ...09:12
ograthis architecture line in the control file is insane09:12
raphinkogra: it had been chosen together with MOTUs to fit the grub build-deps09:13
ograraphink, but what for ?09:13
raphinki'm fine to change it as all if you all think it's better09:13
ograits a picture and a bunch of scripts ...09:13
raphinkogra: so that it's not available on archs that don' thave grub09:13
raphinksuch as ppc09:13
siretartraphink: grub is a bootloader, which is fairly architecture dependant. your artwork package is not09:13
siretartraphink: make the package depend on grub, so it is uninstallable on ppc09:14
ograif it depends on grub its not installable without grub09:14
ograsiretart, it already does09:14
ogra:)09:14
raphinkit won't be installable09:14
raphinkbut it'll be selectable09:14
raphinkso people on ppc might complain it doesn't work09:14
raphinksince they can select it for installation09:14
ograthats great :)09:14
raphinkbut installation fails09:14
raphinkogra: what do you mean?09:14
ograonce one rewrites yaboot to display images, he can use the source ;)09:15
raphinkhehe ok09:15
siretartraphink: thats no problem. we have other shit like this in the archive09:15
raphink;)09:15
raphinkgood point ;)09:15
raphinkwell then i'm fine to fix it09:15
siretarterr, ignore that part with 'shit'. I mean 'lovely and a bit strange packages'09:15
phanaticlol :)09:15
ograi also doubt there are ${shlibs:Depends} needed in the deps line :)09:16
raphinksiretart: yeah that's what i thought ;)09:16
raphinkdidn't sound like you somehow siretart  ;)09:16
raphinkogra: indeed :)09:16
siretart:)09:16
raphinkok I'll review it :)09:16
raphinkI'l do that later tonight09:16
raphinkthanks for reporting siretart :)09:17
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thierryhi could someone help me with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/geg/+bug/5399 ? I don't know what's wrong with my patch09:26
Ubugtumalone bug 5399 in geg "[PATCH]  adding a .desktop file to geg" [Normal,In progress] 09:26
siretartogra: I see that doko uploaded a new gcc. perhaps the chroots are being updated?09:28
ograsiretart, i uploaded a new ubuntu-meta this afternoon... its not even on the launchpad source page ... something is broken09:29
ograand the buildlogs show no build attampts at all09:29
siretarthm. sounds strange09:32
sistpotyat least it appears on your +packages page09:32
ograbut not on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-meta09:32
ograi guess the incoming queue isnt processed ...09:34
ografiled a rt ticket already09:34
siretartEdgy Earthworm... hmmm09:37
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ompauledgy emu09:40
ompaul:)09:40
sistpotyI'm just trying to fix gnome-apt, which needs updated autotools files... however it makes distclean in the clean rule. Is it better to rerun autotools locally and change make distclean to make clean or to run autotools during build time?09:40
siretartsistpoty: there is no real consensus on that. infinity said once that he prefers to run autocrack at buildtime09:41
sistpotysiretart: ah, k... but that would be an more intrusive change (new build-depends more changes in rules), so I'm a little bit undecided yet09:42
sistpotyah... maybe the change isn't needed at all :)09:43
siretartsistpoty: I see. hm. thats not an easy question. I think I'd go with the less intrusive patch09:43
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nictukuhey10:07
nictukuI'm writing this software that is officially wanted by ubuntu - nwu10:09
nictukuthe thing is I have to discuss with ubuntu "officials" some important issues like - could it go to main? if it does, what about it's dependencies, is it possible to bring other packages to main?10:10
nictukuor better, who should I talk to?10:10
siretartnictuku: the first step is to bring it into universe10:12
nictukuhmm indeed10:12
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siretartnictuku: after that, you have to write a MainInclusionReport so it gets reviewed if it fits the criteria for main. for universe, the critieria are way lower10:13
LaserJockazeem: ping?10:13
nictukuI see. would it be harder to accept in main if it currently depends on universe-pacakges?10:14
nictukuspecifically I could not find any soap implementations for python in main10:14
sistpotynictuku: if you want to get it into main, you'll need to have all dependencies in main as well. so: yes, it's harder10:25
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lucaswhat's the current status of sync requests lag ?10:41
sistpotylucas: quite big I assume (at least I didn't see one of my syncs make it yet)10:46
LaserJockhmm, is there a site like http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html or something for Ubuntu?10:46
sistpotyLaserJock: none that I would know of... and if there was one, it's certainly not valid for soyuz any longer10:47
LaserJocksistpoty: do you know if soyuz has any similar feature?10:47
sistpotyLaserJock: no idea actually10:47
LaserJockI suppose I could ask #launchpad, but I'm afraid I know the response already10:48
sistpotyhehe10:49
lifelesswe explicitly designed in queues like that10:53
lifelessI don't know if they are visible to $random user or not10:53
raphinksiretart: fix uploaded for k-g-s10:57
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siretartraphink: :)10:59
raphinksiretart: changed a few little things at the same time ;)11:00
raphinkdoesnt cost much, and makes the package nicer :)11:00
siretartyes. changelogs looks good11:00
raphink:)11:00
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Toadstoolthanks to raphink, sistpoty and REVU, wide-dhcpv6 has been uploaded to Debian's NEW :)11:26
Toadstoolthank you very much11:26
raphinkToadstool: huh?11:26
ToadstoolI hope it will be included in dapper11:26
raphinkhow is it thanks to REVU?11:26
Toadstoolyou've helped me improve it11:27
raphinkoh great :)11:27
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Toadstoolgood night everybody11:29
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raphinkgn ToadZzZztool11:32
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fbondraphink: sorry about the troubles earlier.  dssi, fluidsynth-dssi, and hexter are all ready to go.  i've tested all three in pbuilder.  both hexter and fluidsynth-dssi build-depend on dssi-dev (from dssi).  do you have some time to build them?11:40
raphinkIlet me see11:40
raphinkit's building11:41
fbondthanks, raphink.  much appreciated.11:42
fbondraphink: when building fluidsynth-dssi and hexter using pbuilder, i had to do a login.  is there a better way to build them, given that they build-depend on dssi, which is not available from the repos?11:48
raphinkwhat do you mean by a login?11:49
fbondpbuilder login11:49
raphinkwhat is that?11:49
raphinkI'd use a local repository11:49
fbondah11:49
fbondis that how it is done on the REVU machine?11:50
raphinkno, we don't have anything to do it so far on REVu11:50
raphinkI'm thinking of a way to do it nicely11:50
fbondyes, my method was quite awkward11:50
fbondi had to install build-depends manually11:51
fbondi don't know pbuilder that well...but you can bindmount a dir containing debs, and have that dir specified in sources.list as a local repo?11:53
raphinkwait I'm still reviewing the package11:54
raphinkwait a min ;)11:54
fbondsorry11:55
ajmitch_hi11:58
ajmitch_looks like my box at home has shut down or otherwise died11:58
raphinkthere fbond, a few comments :)12:00
raphinksome not mandatory, some more important12:00
raphinkajmitch_: argh :s12:00
raphinkajmitch_: I knwo how this feels :S12:00
fbondraphink: thanks12:01
dolsonfbond: hey man :D12:01
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dolsonfbond: Im packaging qmidiarp right now, just fyi12:01

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