=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] morning all [12:26] morning Hobbsee [12:27] :D hi Riddell [12:27] there are other people in the land of awake! [12:51] hmmm...there are lots of people asking for yakuake in #kubuntu [01:01] Hobbsee: yakuake is in breezy [01:01] i think you might mean in dapper [01:02] nope, it definatly got into breezy [01:03] it's not on p.u.o [01:03] *p.u.c [01:03] 2.6-0ubuntu1 0 [01:03] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages [01:04] okay then... [01:04] http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/yakuake [01:04] ah, you're right [01:05] didnt realise that searching ubuntu packages from the top corner of firefox only searches for the current distrobution's packages === Hobbsee suspects she should go retreat to her corner until she wakes up a little more, and stops looking like an idiot [01:06] just blame it on ENOCOFFEE [01:06] havent heard of that one === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-13.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bobesponja_ [i=pat@bas75-1-81-57-4-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe_ [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] Riddell: ping === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@222.50.182.247] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.155] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:40] Riddell, can't we release a VMWare image of Kubuntu 5.10? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:43] jsgotangco: I think u can do it if u'd like [09:44] freeflying, sure but it should be in the archives... [09:44] hello [09:45] Tonio_: hey === robotgee3 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] hmm, not one of dapper good days (I did a reboot after dist-upgrade): 2 kontact crashes: can't connect kdewallet (normally does not happen), pw prompt, okay -> crash, RMB on E-mail address -> open in addressbook -> crash (worked after restart) [12:07] hehe [12:07] kontact, kmail: bold fold is much bolder thatn it used to be [12:07] konversation nick list now uses a font with serif (was without before) [12:08] Tm_T: no hehe, better oh oh ;) [12:08] allee: well, no problems at all here =) [12:08] I'm glad I compile kdepim myslef ;) [12:08] myself even [12:09] hmm, 3ddesktop seems to work surprisingly well in dapper [12:10] it used to eat 15% cpu in idle back in hoary-days [12:11] Tm_T: I'm more interested in the kubuntu defaults because that what (my) users (will) use. === allee would also be happy with 15% for CPU time available [12:12] allee: plz unlink the file : /etc/fonts/conf.d/30-ttf-arphic-uming [12:12] allee: it will make youf old font as it used be [12:13] allee: aye, I find my place as beta tester ;) [12:13] or alpha, or mostly pre-alpha [12:15] svn is my friend, bugs.kde.org is my wife ;-P [12:15] freeflying: thx. Are only the files that start with 2 digets + '-' executed? Looks strange to link to a file in same directory [12:16] allee: just 30-ttf-arphic-uming , unlink it [12:17] freeflying: 'k. Unlink. I'll logout, stop/start kdm and tell you the result (kde login window had same 'new' font [12:18] allee: it will work [12:18] freeflying: I'll trust you, oh, call for lunch. bbl [12:18] allee: bye [12:19] freeflying: pong [12:22] Riddell: I just migrated to dapper, and I saw that many modifications on kubuntu-default-settings are completly obsolete, so I will redo the job directly on dapper now... [12:24] Tonio_: ok [12:30] Riddelln mornfall : http://planetemu.net/temp/adept-installer.svgz [12:30] for the adept installer. any opinion ? [12:31] Tonio_: png pretty please? :) === mornfall is svg-disabled [12:31] mornfall: of course :) [12:32] oh i'm not [12:32] somebody installed ksvg here :p [12:32] arf [12:33] Tonio_: Why the debian logo? Won't that confuse users? [12:33] so how do you find ? nothing magic of course, it is the same base [12:33] Tonio_: I do like your icon by the way;-) [12:33] why ? because .deb files have debian logo on kubuntu :) [12:33] browser /var/cache/apt/archives with konqueror and you'll see :) [12:33] Tonio_: They do... Never looked at one;-) [12:34] so that's the reason [12:34] Tonio_: So why do ubuntu-files have a debian logo in ubuntu;-) [12:35] hunger: I assume this is because of the icon theme used ;) [12:35] but ubuntu files are mostly debian ones.... [12:35] So I'll "unpack a deb" and get a CD? ;-) [12:35] Tonio_: I know. [12:36] they have .deb extensions, so why don't they have .ubu extension therefore ? ;) [12:36] Tonio_: But I guess it might confuse newbies ("What is this debian stuff doing on my shiny new ubuntu system?") [12:36] Tonio_: You are probably right. [12:37] hunger: newbies will not even know what debian is :) [12:37] because then they'd want .kub ones too, and then wouldnt understand that you can install the same deb on kubuntu/ubuntu without a problem [12:37] if they were .ubu only, people with kubuntu would think they couldnt install them at all. [12:37] Tonio_: Well, debian does get some PR... so if somebody looked around for a distribution he might have stumbled over that name. [12:38] most people seem to realise what a .deb does, even if they dont understand what it stands for [12:38] Hobbsee: my question whas a "joke", to make a comparison with the fact that we have a debian icon ;) [12:38] But then he probably will know that ubuntu is based on debian anyway. [12:38] theat was not a "real" question [12:38] hehe - my error - i'm slowly falling asleep here :P [12:38] Hobbsee: ;) [12:39] You are probably right. [12:39] mornfall: http://planetemu.net/temp/adept-installer.png in case ksvg is or not installed ;) [12:39] Tonio_ : anyway, the icon looks really good and should fit well with the other kubuntu icons. I like it a lot. [12:39] hunger: and although, adept will certainly be packaged or debian too.... [12:40] an ubuntu application is a debian one, de facto [12:40] hunger: thanks :) === tpr [n=teprrr@cable-roi-fededd00-225.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:48] hmm, kpdf doesn't seem to work on dapper atm? [12:48] printing from it.. or maybe it's common problem in kde? [12:49] printing pdf via evince works fine [12:49] tpr: printing from KDE is broken generally [12:50] Riddell: Since when? [12:50] oh, known problem? [12:50] Riddell: It used to work for me... [12:50] okay.. nm then :) [12:50] hunger: since cups 1.2 was in [12:50] hunger: it works if you already have printers set up [12:51] but if you don't and you're setting them up for the first time it complains [12:51] Riddell: I installed dapper and I still have the cursor bug on the desktop.... not while clicking the file, but while moving it on the desktop [12:51] I need to see with other dapper users [12:51] Tonio_: hmm, I have it too now [12:51] well, I have set my printer in those days I were using debian but it used to work on kubuntu too [12:52] Riddell: I have them on a printserver. Works fine. [12:52] that never happened yesterday [12:52] Riddell: ah ! [12:52] Riddell: They keep changing names though... [12:52] strange.... [12:52] mouse cursors are so random [12:52] generates some odd stuff which isn't recognized by the cups [12:52] Riddell: Sometimes they are "printername", sometimes "printername@server"... [01:05] Riddell: [01:06] Riddell: hi [01:07] yo [01:08] hunger: saw this too, printer versus printer@hosts. removing /var/cache/cups/remote.cache resets to printer. They reappear again, not checked why [01:08] Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015252.html === teprrr [i=tpr@kde/developer/rytilahti] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:10] ouch! === Hobbsee just fell off her chair accidently! [01:11] freeflying: can't CJK and european fonts live happily together? [01:12] Riddell: the list of CJK will afftect each other [01:13] Riddell: if we use the default configure of fontconfig now , it will use korea font to display chinese [01:15] anyone use dapper on ppc now ? how about the sound's problem ? [01:19] freeflying: ppc sound wasn't working last I tried [01:23] Riddell: dose the wireless network card work ? thx! [01:24] Riddell: i think it has been fixed, in the -15 release [01:25] I heard someone say they got their airport extreme working, not sure how [01:25] robotgeek: ah, maybe I should give it another go === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:25] Riddell: i got it working [01:25] robotgeek: sound or wireless / [01:26] both [01:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx for the airport extreme [01:28] Riddell: let me know if you have difficult finding the firmware for it [01:28] I don't have wireless on my mini mac [01:29] Riddell: hmm, i tht you wanted to get it working, my bad [01:29] freeflying does :) [01:30] freeflying: okay, i have gotten both to work. which type of apple? [01:30] robotgeek: ibook G4 [01:30] freeflying: same as mine, so it should work . mine is a 1.26 ghz [01:32] Riddell: should the configure of fontconfig for CJK be brought to the coming Technical Board Meeting [01:32] robotgeek: mine is 1.33G [01:32] freeflying: should'nt be very different [01:32] freeflying: that sounds like a good idea, if you can make the meeting and know what to say [01:32] robotgeek: y [01:33] freeflying: uname -a [01:33] Riddell: when the coming meeting take , I will be on train still , so I could not take part the meeting [01:34] freeflying: has it worked in breezy? [01:34] robotgeek: I'm not using ibook now , I just want to have a kubuntu installed comp for the CanonicalAsiaTour/ShangHai's meetings [01:35] freeflying: ah okay, if you upgrade to the latest kernel, sound should work i am gusesing === robotgee1 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] Riddell: shall I add this point to the agenda === robotgeek [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:49] freeflying: it needs someone who knows the issues to be able to talk about it though [01:49] Riddell: You are supposed to fix suspend in kde? [01:49] Riddell: Any estimation no when it will work again? [01:50] Riddell: y, huahua will attend the meeting [01:50] freeflying: oh cool [01:50] hunger: no idea just now I'm afraid [01:50] pmi should work though? [01:50] Huahua: ping [01:50] Riddell: pmi? [01:51] pmi action suspend [01:51] Riddell: No idea what needs doing or no idea when it will be done? [01:51] freeflying: pong [01:51] Riddell: I will attend the meeting [01:51] Riddell: pmi action suspend does nothing. Just like pressing the suspend button. [01:52] Riddell: Huahua know this issue more than me , and he have contribued too much for BetterCJKSupport [01:52] Huahua: great, put it on the technical board agenda then [01:53] thanks [01:54] hunger: in your case I'm not too sure what the problem is then [01:54] Riddell: also huahua has remastered kubuntu's install CD for chinese users === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F40AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:58] ooh, well done Huahua [01:58] we should announce that on kubuntu.org === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.122.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa_ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] o'ou [04:39] how I disabled kdm theme === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] raphink: moin === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Flight 3 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Thu, Feb 16th 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- be there! === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by raphink at Tue Feb 7 02:52:11 2006 === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:55] ** test amarok beta on dapper deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta1/ dapper main === apachelogger [n=Harald@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:58] is dapper ok to use on your main desktop yet? [06:04] sealne: I've been using it since... hum, before KDE 3.5 I think === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:04] I find it very stable these days [06:05] yeah thought so [06:06] dist-upgrade time :) [06:11] yay! [06:12] sealne: when you find these borkages... === Tm_T hides [06:13] hmm lots of locale complaints from debconf during the dist-upgrade [06:13] haha [06:14] that always happens === bobesponja_ is now known as bobesponja [06:19] hmm.. I raised a defect earlier today, 31309, is there anyone I should mail about it, or is there some official bod classifying and assigning them? [06:22] canonical hasn't hired the QA person yet [06:39] someone should hire me to Q person ;) === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:43] bah X dosen't work [06:43] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:45] that would probably just splat dual head stuff [06:46] the screens are completly blank and not responding to anything === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:50] ohwell worry about that tommorow [06:57] Riddell: can you sync libapt-front from unstable? [06:58] Riddell: adept will go in soonish i guess (currently in isaac's hands) [06:59] mornfall: sure [07:00] 0.3.6 [07:03] thanks [07:04] mornfall: not in the archive http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/liba/libapt-front/ [07:04] Riddell: it was only ACCEPTed few hours back [07:05] hmm [07:05] found it at http://incoming.debian.org/ [07:05] interesting... but okey [07:06] is that unexpected? [07:06] possibly not synced from master :-) [07:06] i have no idea when/how often it is synced [07:08] i could write a blog [07:08] i'll when it reaches archives [07:08] i will* === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62D0C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:50] Riddell, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30271 << is the system:/ preview set up by default? === hunger wonders why redhat thinks that Mesa-GL needs to be part of a minimal install! [08:13] Riddell, also any guesses on if we will get Amarok 1.4 exempted to be in Dapper? Or will it just appear too late === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-001-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:33] sealne: I doubt amarok 1.4 will go in, please test the archive for the beta though [08:33] oh, seth went, sorry sealne :) === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=Harald@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Drakeson [n=Drakeson@69.158.174.105] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:48] seems like something about xserver has been b0rked! the bold fonts are extremely bold now! [08:50] hmm [08:57] Drakeson: see this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128080 [09:02] luka74: thanks. has anybody considered filling a bug report against ttf-arphic-uming ? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:06] mornfall: ping ? [09:06] Tonio__: pong [09:06] Drakeson: I have problems with Malone - hard to find if something is already submitted (it seems that I am used to Bugzilla) [09:07] mornfall: are you fine with that icon or would you like something else ? [09:07] Tonio__: i don't particularly care [09:07] i wish my fonts were normal [09:07] why oh why has fontconfig to be so fucked [09:08] I can understand you on that point..... [09:09] mornfall: now after 'apt-get remove ttf-arphic-uming' my desktop has become a better place ;) [09:10] Drakeson: font issue is already in Malone: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-arphic-uming/+bug/31149 [09:16] luka74: Thanks :) === Drakeson [n=Drakeson@69.158.174.105] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [09:25] --> break === apacheLAGger [n=Harald@M3102P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #kubuntu-devel ["OMG] [09:28] Riddell: if you have time, could you please look into getting this into archive? http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.89.tar.gz [09:29] it won't get into unstable today it seems, isaac is busy with other things [09:29] mornfall: great, will do [09:30] thanks a lot === luka74 [n=luka74@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60C29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bert_ [n=bert@c529def15.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:06] :'( [11:08] ? [11:10] generally unhappy [11:25] Riddell: Update channel topic? KubuntuDapperGoals 'points' to https://launchpad.net/sprints/ubz or better https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-roadmap-dapper