[12:25] <Hobbsee> morning all
[12:26] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[12:27] <Hobbsee> :D hi Riddell 
[12:27] <Hobbsee> there are other people in the land of awake!
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm...there are lots of people asking for yakuake in #kubuntu
[01:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yakuake is in breezy
[01:01] <Hobbsee> i think you might mean in dapper
[01:02] <Riddell> nope, it definatly got into breezy
[01:03] <Hobbsee> it's not on p.u.o
[01:03] <Hobbsee> *p.u.c
[01:03] <crimsun>      2.6-0ubuntu1 0
[01:03] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[01:04] <Hobbsee> okay then...
[01:04] <Riddell> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/yakuake
[01:04] <Hobbsee> ah, you're right
[01:05] <Hobbsee> didnt realise that searching ubuntu packages from the top corner of firefox only searches for the current distrobution's packages
[01:06] <crimsun> just blame it on ENOCOFFEE
[01:06] <Hobbsee> havent heard of that one
[03:35] <freeflying> Riddell: ping 
[09:40] <jsgotangco> Riddell, can't we release a VMWare image of Kubuntu 5.10?
[09:43] <freeflying> jsgotangco: I think u can do it if u'd like 
[09:44] <jsgotangco> freeflying, sure but it should be in the archives...
[09:44] <Tonio_> hello
[09:45] <freeflying> Tonio_: hey
[12:07] <allee> hmm, not one of dapper good days (I did a reboot after dist-upgrade): 2 kontact crashes: can't connect kdewallet (normally does not happen), pw prompt, okay -> crash,  RMB on E-mail address -> open in addressbook -> crash (worked after restart)
[12:07] <Tm_T> hehe
[12:07] <allee> kontact, kmail: bold fold is much bolder thatn it used to be
[12:07] <allee> konversation nick list now uses a font with serif (was without before)
[12:08] <allee> Tm_T: no hehe, better oh oh ;)
[12:08] <Tm_T> allee: well, no problems at all here =)
[12:08] <Tm_T> I'm glad I compile kdepim myslef ;)
[12:08] <Tm_T> myself even
[12:09] <Tm_T> hmm, 3ddesktop seems to work surprisingly well in dapper
[12:10] <Tm_T> it used to eat 15% cpu in idle back in hoary-days
[12:11] <allee> Tm_T: I'm more interested in the kubuntu defaults because that what (my) users (will) use.
[12:12] <freeflying> allee: plz unlink the file : /etc/fonts/conf.d/30-ttf-arphic-uming 
[12:12] <freeflying> allee: it will make youf old font as it used be 
[12:13] <Tm_T> allee: aye, I find my place as beta tester ;)
[12:13] <Tm_T> or alpha, or mostly pre-alpha
[12:15] <Tm_T> svn is my friend, bugs.kde.org is my wife ;-P
[12:15] <allee> freeflying: thx.  Are only the files that start with 2 digets + '-' executed?  Looks strange to link to a file in same directory
[12:16] <freeflying> allee: just 30-ttf-arphic-uming , unlink it 
[12:17] <allee> freeflying: 'k.  Unlink.  I'll logout, stop/start kdm  and tell you the result (kde login window had same 'new' font
[12:18] <freeflying> allee: it will work 
[12:18] <allee> freeflying: I'll trust you, oh, call for lunch.  bbl
[12:18] <freeflying> allee: bye
[12:19] <Riddell> freeflying: pong
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just migrated to dapper, and I saw that many modifications on kubuntu-default-settings are completly obsolete, so I will redo the job directly on dapper now...
[12:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddelln mornfall : http://planetemu.net/temp/adept-installer.svgz
[12:30] <Tonio_> for the adept installer. any opinion ?
[12:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: png pretty please? :)
[12:31] <Tonio_> mornfall: of course :)
[12:32] <mornfall> oh i'm not
[12:32] <mornfall> somebody installed ksvg here :p
[12:32] <Tonio_> arf
[12:33] <hunger> Tonio_: Why the debian logo? Won't that confuse users?
[12:33] <Tonio_> so how do you find ? nothing magic of course, it is the same base
[12:33] <hunger> Tonio_: I do like your icon by the way;-)
[12:33] <Tonio_> why ? because .deb files have debian logo on kubuntu :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> browser /var/cache/apt/archives with konqueror and you'll see :)
[12:33] <hunger> Tonio_: They do... Never looked at one;-)
[12:34] <Tonio_> so that's the reason
[12:34] <hunger> Tonio_: So why do ubuntu-files have a debian logo in ubuntu;-)
[12:35] <Tonio_> hunger: I assume this is because of the icon theme used ;)
[12:35] <Tonio_> but ubuntu files are mostly debian ones....
[12:35] <hunger> So I'll "unpack a deb" and get a CD? ;-)
[12:35] <hunger> Tonio_: I know.
[12:36] <Tonio_> they have .deb extensions, so why don't they have .ubu extension therefore ? ;)
[12:36] <hunger> Tonio_: But I guess it might confuse newbies ("What is this debian stuff doing on my shiny new ubuntu system?")
[12:36] <hunger> Tonio_: You are probably right.
[12:37] <Tonio_> hunger: newbies will not even know what debian is :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> because then they'd want .kub ones too, and then wouldnt understand that you can install the same deb on kubuntu/ubuntu without a problem
[12:37] <Hobbsee> if they were .ubu only, people with kubuntu would think they couldnt install them at all.
[12:37] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, debian does get some PR... so if somebody looked around for a distribution he might have stumbled over that name.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> most people seem to realise what a .deb does, even if they dont understand what it stands for
[12:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: my question whas a "joke", to make a comparison with the fact that we have a debian icon ;)
[12:38] <hunger> But then he probably will know that ubuntu is based on debian anyway.
[12:38] <Tonio_> theat was not a "real" question
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hehe - my error - i'm slowly falling asleep here :P
[12:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ;)
[12:39] <hunger> You are probably right. 
[12:39] <Tonio_> mornfall: http://planetemu.net/temp/adept-installer.png in case ksvg is or not installed ;)
[12:39] <hunger> Tonio_ : anyway, the icon looks really good and should fit well with the other kubuntu icons. I like it a lot.
[12:39] <Tonio_> hunger: and although, adept will certainly be packaged or debian too....
[12:40] <Tonio_> an ubuntu application is a debian one, de facto
[12:40] <Tonio_> hunger: thanks :)
[12:48] <tpr> hmm, kpdf doesn't seem to work on dapper atm?
[12:48] <tpr> printing from it.. or maybe it's common problem in kde?
[12:49] <tpr> printing pdf via evince works fine
[12:49] <Riddell> tpr: printing from KDE is broken generally
[12:50] <hunger> Riddell: Since when?
[12:50] <tpr> oh, known problem?
[12:50] <hunger> Riddell: It used to work for me...
[12:50] <tpr> okay.. nm then :)
[12:50] <Riddell> hunger: since cups 1.2 was in
[12:50] <Riddell> hunger: it works if you already have printers set up
[12:51] <Riddell> but if you don't and you're setting them up for the first time it complains
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I installed dapper and I still have the cursor bug on the desktop.... not while clicking the file, but while moving it on the desktop
[12:51] <Tonio_> I need to see with other dapper users
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, I have it too now
[12:51] <tpr> well, I have set my printer in those days I were using debian but it used to work on kubuntu too
[12:52] <hunger> Riddell: I have them on a printserver. Works fine.
[12:52] <Riddell> that never happened yesterday
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah !
[12:52] <hunger> Riddell: They keep changing names though...
[12:52] <Tonio_> strange....
[12:52] <Riddell> mouse cursors are so random
[12:52] <tpr> generates some odd stuff which isn't recognized by the cups
[12:52] <hunger> Riddell: Sometimes they are "printername", sometimes "printername@server"...
[01:05] <freeflying> Riddell: 
[01:06] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[01:07] <Riddell> yo
[01:08] <allee> hunger: saw this too, printer versus printer@hosts.  removing /var/cache/cups/remote.cache resets to printer.  They reappear again, not checked why
[01:08] <freeflying> Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015252.html
[01:10] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[01:11] <Riddell> freeflying: can't CJK and european fonts live happily together?
[01:12] <freeflying> Riddell: the list of CJK will afftect each other 
[01:13] <freeflying> Riddell: if we use the default configure of fontconfig now , it will use korea font to display chinese 
[01:15] <freeflying> anyone use dapper on ppc now ? how about the sound's problem ?
[01:19] <Riddell> freeflying: ppc sound wasn't working last I tried
[01:23] <freeflying> Riddell: dose the wireless network card work ? thx!
[01:24] <robotgeek> Riddell: i think it has been fixed, in the -15 release
[01:25] <Riddell> I heard someone say they got their airport extreme working, not sure how
[01:25] <Riddell> robotgeek: ah, maybe I should give it another go
[01:25] <robotgeek> Riddell: i got it working
[01:25] <freeflying> robotgeek: sound or wireless /
[01:26] <robotgeek> both
[01:26] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx for the airport extreme
[01:28] <robotgeek> Riddell: let me know if you have difficult finding the firmware for it
[01:28] <Riddell> I don't have wireless on my mini mac
[01:29] <robotgeek> Riddell: hmm, i tht you wanted to get it working, my bad
[01:29] <Riddell> freeflying does :)
[01:30] <robotgeek> freeflying: okay, i have gotten both to work. which type of apple?
[01:30] <freeflying> robotgeek: ibook G4
[01:30] <robotgeek> freeflying: same as mine, so it should work . mine is a 1.26 ghz
[01:32] <freeflying> Riddell: should the configure of fontconfig for CJK be brought to the coming Technical Board Meeting
[01:32] <freeflying> robotgeek: mine is 1.33G
[01:32] <robotgeek> freeflying: should'nt be very different
[01:32] <Riddell> freeflying: that sounds like a good idea, if you can make the meeting and know what to say
[01:32] <freeflying> robotgeek: y
[01:33] <robotgeek> freeflying: uname -a
[01:33] <freeflying> Riddell: when the coming meeting take , I will be on train still , so I could not take part the meeting 
[01:34] <robotgeek> freeflying: has it worked in breezy?
[01:34] <freeflying> robotgeek: I'm not using ibook now , I just want to have a kubuntu installed comp for the CanonicalAsiaTour/ShangHai's meetings
[01:35] <robotgeek> freeflying: ah okay, if you upgrade to the latest kernel, sound should work i am gusesing
[01:48] <freeflying> Riddell: shall I add this point to the agenda
[01:49] <Riddell> freeflying: it needs someone who knows the issues to be able to talk about it though
[01:49] <hunger> Riddell: You are supposed to fix suspend in kde?
[01:49] <hunger> Riddell: Any estimation no when it will work again?
[01:50] <freeflying> Riddell: y, huahua will attend the meeting 
[01:50] <Riddell> freeflying: oh cool
[01:50] <Riddell> hunger: no idea just now I'm afraid
[01:50] <Riddell> pmi should work though?
[01:50] <freeflying> Huahua: ping
[01:50] <hunger> Riddell: pmi?
[01:51] <Riddell> pmi action suspend
[01:51] <hunger> Riddell: No idea what needs doing or no idea when it will be done?
[01:51] <Huahua> freeflying: pong 
[01:51] <Huahua> Riddell: I will attend the meeting
[01:51] <hunger> Riddell: pmi action suspend does nothing. Just like pressing the suspend button.
[01:52] <freeflying> Riddell: Huahua know this issue more than me , and he have contribued too much for BetterCJKSupport
[01:52] <Riddell> Huahua: great, put it on the technical board agenda then
[01:53] <Huahua> thanks
[01:54] <Riddell> hunger: in your case I'm not too sure what the problem is then
[01:54] <freeflying> Riddell: also huahua has remastered kubuntu's install CD for chinese users 
[01:58] <Riddell> ooh, well done Huahua 
[01:58] <Riddell> we should announce that on kubuntu.org
[04:39] <Tm_T> o'ou
[04:39] <Tm_T> how I disabled kdm theme
[04:39] <Tm_T> raphink: moin
[05:55] <Riddell> ** test amarok beta on dapper deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta1/ dapper main
[05:58] <sealne> is dapper ok to use on your main desktop yet?
[06:04] <Tm_T> sealne: I've been using it since... hum, before KDE 3.5 I think
[06:04] <Tm_T> I find it very stable these days
[06:05] <sealne> yeah thought so
[06:06] <sealne> dist-upgrade time :)
[06:11] <Tm_T> yay!
[06:12] <Tm_T> sealne: when you find these borkages...
[06:13] <sealne> hmm lots of locale complaints from debconf during the dist-upgrade
[06:13] <Tm_T> haha
[06:14] <Riddell> that always happens
[06:19] <ubijtsa2> hmm.. I raised a defect earlier today, 31309, is there anyone I should mail about it, or is there some official bod classifying and assigning them?
[06:22] <Riddell> canonical hasn't hired the QA person yet
[06:39] <Tm_T> someone should hire me to Q person ;)
[06:43] <sealne> bah X dosen't work
[06:43] <Riddell> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[06:45] <sealne> that would probably just splat dual head stuff
[06:46] <sealne> the screens are completly blank and not responding to anything
[06:50] <sealne> ohwell worry about that tommorow
[06:57] <mornfall> Riddell: can you sync libapt-front from unstable?
[06:58] <mornfall> Riddell: adept will go in soonish i guess (currently in isaac's hands)
[06:59] <Riddell> mornfall: sure
[07:00] <mornfall> 0.3.6
[07:03] <mornfall> thanks
[07:04] <Riddell> mornfall: not in the archive http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/liba/libapt-front/
[07:04] <mornfall> Riddell: it was only ACCEPTed few hours back
[07:05] <mornfall> hmm
[07:05] <Riddell> found it at http://incoming.debian.org/
[07:05] <mornfall> interesting... but okey
[07:06] <Riddell> is that unexpected?
[07:06] <mornfall> possibly not synced from master :-)
[07:06] <mornfall> i have no idea when/how often it is synced
[07:08] <mornfall> i could write a blog
[07:08] <mornfall> i'll when it reaches archives
[07:08] <mornfall> i will*
[07:50] <seth|lappy> Riddell, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30271 << is the system:/ preview set up by default?
[08:13] <seth|lappy> Riddell, also any guesses on if we will get Amarok 1.4 exempted to be in Dapper? Or will it just appear too late
[08:33] <Riddell> sealne: I doubt amarok 1.4 will go in, please test the archive for the beta though
[08:33] <Riddell> oh, seth went, sorry sealne :)
[08:48] <Drakeson> seems like something about xserver has been b0rked! the bold fonts are extremely bold now!
[08:50] <mornfall> hmm
[08:57] <luka74> Drakeson: see this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128080
[09:02] <Drakeson> luka74: thanks. has anybody considered filling a bug report against ttf-arphic-uming ?
[09:06] <Tonio__> mornfall: ping ?
[09:06] <mornfall> Tonio__: pong
[09:06] <luka74> Drakeson: I have problems with Malone - hard to find if something is already submitted (it seems that I am used to Bugzilla)
[09:07] <Tonio__> mornfall: are you fine with that icon or would you like something else ?
[09:07] <mornfall> Tonio__: i don't particularly care
[09:07] <mornfall> i wish my fonts were normal
[09:07] <mornfall> why oh why has fontconfig to be so fucked
[09:08] <Tonio__> I can understand you on that point.....
[09:09] <Drakeson> mornfall: now after 'apt-get remove ttf-arphic-uming' my desktop has become a better place ;)
[09:10] <luka74> Drakeson: font issue is already in Malone: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-arphic-uming/+bug/31149
[09:16] <Drakeson> luka74: Thanks :)
[09:25] <mornfall> --> break
[09:28] <mornfall> Riddell: if you have time, could you please look into getting this into archive? http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.89.tar.gz
[09:29] <mornfall> it won't get into unstable today it seems, isaac is busy with other things
[09:29] <Riddell> mornfall: great, will do
[09:30] <mornfall> thanks a lot
[11:06] <mornfall> :'(
[11:08] <Riddell> ?
[11:10] <mornfall> generally unhappy
[11:25] <allee> Riddell: Update channel topic? KubuntuDapperGoals 'points' to https://launchpad.net/sprints/ubz  or better https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-roadmap-dapper