=== mrfreeze_ [n=mrfreeze@63.37-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-71-199-218-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] ducky - different errors trying to do RAID1 on the same box [12:16] box is haunted === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-176-23.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] the tar that the installer has doesn't create?! === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-158-224.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson111 [n=earobins@HSE-Kingston-ppp329262.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] heylo [12:32] heylo [12:33] helyo ? [12:38] hmm? [12:39] :) [12:39] hey ogra how is it going? [12:40] very good ... ltsp is getting in shape for dapper+1, edubuntu is going forward ... all fine .. [12:40] err s/dapper+1/dapper/ [12:40] my mind is already in the future :) [12:41] cool.. [12:42] how is the grub hacking going ? [12:43] its coming.. [12:43] great :) [12:44] i have a couple of ideas for dapper+1, but now just trying to catch up [12:46] i recently had a meeting with people who wanted something like a mixed ltsp/windows dual netboot environment ... would be funnyly crackful to make grub netboot aware :) [12:46] so you have a grub menu to select what to netboot ... [12:48] grub has netboot..:) [12:48] hehe [12:49] still, they wanted to use something like partimage to store the windows image from only one PC and provide it for all machines in the network ... would get them into heavy license problems ... [12:49] icky...windows :) [12:49] heh [12:50] http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/grub/netboot/?root=grub [12:50] oh, wow ... [12:50] i'll take a deeper look for dapper+1 ;) [12:52] tmpfs for /var/run and /var/lock now? [12:52] What drove that out? === earobinson111 [n=earobins@HSE-Kingston-ppp329102.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] wasabi: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000048.html [12:56] Ooh. Networking started by udev now? [12:56] That is an interesting one indeed. [12:56] everything hardware related started by udev now :) [12:56] Does that drive out ifupdown? [12:57] no, ifupdown is still used [12:57] So, if interfaces defines a configuraiton for ethN, and ifrename gives it a specific name, hotplug will invoke ifupdown? [12:57] hotplug is gone [12:57] no hotplug [12:57] Yes yes, I know. [12:57] Wasn't using "hotplug" as a product name. [12:58] And auto ethN isn't required in interfaces anymore then? [12:58] it is. [12:59] udev>ifupdown [12:59] ? [12:59] Yes but a manual up down command still needs to be available. [12:59] udev calls ifupdown upon seeing 'auto' in /etc/network/interfaces when the module is loaded [12:59] Ahh. Okay. [01:00] That's perfect then. [01:00] So ifupdown still keeps the neccassary state info. [01:00] exciting exciting. ;) === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] Now if only network manager cooperated with all that. === MrRio [n=rio@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/MrRio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson111 [n=earobins@HSE-Kingston-ppp329102.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.97.6.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-13.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] is anyone using the bogofilter plugin for evolution? I'm trying, but it doesn't seem to detect any spam === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=null@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netdur [n=adel@adsl196-252-52-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] can't ubuntu installer ask all questions needed in early stage? [03:01] I mean, I'm installing cf3 right now, during "select and install software" progress a dialog pop up asking for screen resolution [03:03] I don't know how long the progress stopped because of that, but I guess... ubuntu installer should ask all questions early to avoid us wasting time === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ [n=j@e178026071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] netdur: normaly it figures out screen res for you [03:23] netdur: but if you are in a hurry - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet "Hands Off Install" [03:25] symantic, Add repo, any options (default is fine), hit OK - button blinks, but dialog doesn't close - regardless of how I hit, press, click, type === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-51.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch__ [i=ajmitch@port169-55.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-158-224.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:22] Hi devs :D === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-158-224.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178026071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] I've decided that building thunderbird is my least favourite thing ever. === juser [n=juser@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-158-224.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:51] sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp... ends with Setting up linux-686-smp (2.6.15.14). Shouldn't the grub menu and kernel name have SMP in it? (2 x P3 box) [06:55] CarlFK: linux-686-smp is just a dummy package to transition to linux-686, since all our x86 kernels now support SMP/UP autodetection. [06:55] ah - that explains it [06:55] thanks === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- is now known as GmanAFK === jmg [n=Jernau@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] are there any .debs for fedora directory server? [07:17] Mithrandir: ping === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B155E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] good morning [07:41] um, should a box going into hiberenate say "The system is going down for system halt NOW!" ? [07:41] which may explain why when I try to wake it up it doesn't resume where it left off [07:41] good morning all === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-32-87.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-19-27.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-136-159.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] sorry to bug people here, but who is incharge of planet ubuntu? the feed is broken [08:18] poningru, jdub === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-155-139.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] jdub is, but I think you should mail him [08:19] ok === Huahua [n=hua@222.50.182.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] wuh, waiting for xgl to hit the archives === pupy [n=usr@238.Red-88-5-171.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] hello [08:36] I've compiled udev, sysfstools and hotplug within a custom linux I've built, my question is whether is there anyone who could point me on how to get this to work, either pointing me to any of the ubuntu related sources, or to any good doc or tutorial on how to get automatic device detection working [08:37] Is anyone else seeing this *****[netclusive] SPAM-ERKENNUNG ? on ubuntu-devel [08:37] yeah === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-153-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] Lathiat: it's on the archive also [08:38] WTF is that spam filter doing [08:38] some incoming smtp filtering on the new dc link? :) [08:39] 220 esperanza.ubuntu.com ESMTP Exim 4.52 Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:38:53 +0000 [08:39] weird [08:50] jdub, poke - have a look at bug 14630 :) [08:50] malone bug 14630 in ubuntu-artwork "Gdm theme Human with face list" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/14630 [08:54] zakame: yes? [08:55] ohh face browser [08:56] Mithrandir: I'd like to know what's up with NetworkAuthentication, I see its approved-but-deferred in Dapper... [08:56] jsgotangco, yeah, looks quite cool :) [08:56] zakame: I ended up not having time to get it implemented for dapper. === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] ah [09:02] I'm doing a bit more research, but I think I can help implement this [09:02] am, you're all very kind guys.. [09:08] zakame: if you'd like to, that'd be excellent. It might be a bit on the late side for dapper, though. :-/ [09:11] Mithrandir: I'll see what I can do then :-) === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-183-117.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-153-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pupy [n=usr@238.Red-88-5-171.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["http://davidtuck.atspace.com/MJinNYC.JPG"] === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@212.166.228.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@pD951DF50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-14.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [gijoework] [n=[gijoe] @cacher3.ericsson.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionelp [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178026071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sebest__ [n=sebest@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@88-104-130-44.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] is there any way that gnome-screensaver could break resume-from-suspend ? [09:54] --> mjg59 :) [09:56] lifeless, thats rather gnome-power-manager that concurs with a leftover from acpi-scripts ... [09:56] how does it break ? [09:57] howdy all [09:58] ogra: locks up hard [09:58] black screen, no reaction to fn-buttons, ctrl-alt-F1 etc, power button. === Treenaks has a locking-on-resume laptop as well [09:58] have to hold power for 30 seconds to kill it. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] thats unlikely to be gnome-screensaver or gnome-powermanager === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] rather the backend ... [09:59] g-p-m is dumb and only calls pmi in the background ... g-s-s has nothing to do with suspend/resume ... if it works usually for you, it shouldnt be the prob === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-153-216.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-147.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kinnison returns [10:12] Kamion: Is there some channel I need to be on, other than here? [10:13] Kinnison, they will come over time ... :) [10:13] depending on which packages you work [10:13] Kinnison: ubuntu-x and ubuntu-kernel [10:13] should xvfb Depends on xauth? [10:13] if you want to help in support, #ubuntu as well [10:14] Kinnison: of course that means you will also help maintaing both :) === Kinnison grins fabbione === Kinnison is still looking at bug lists [10:14] Kinnison, oh, #ubuntu-meeting might be helpful :) [10:14] Kinnison, so you are officially a new colleague now ? [10:15] ogra: yep, although I'm still waiting on my ubuntu membership [10:15] yay [10:15] welcome then :) [10:16] Thanks [10:16] Kinnison: What package sets interest you? [10:16] Kinnison: We have no end of stuff we can offload on you. ;) [10:16] infinity: Currently power-management and laptop stuff [10:16] infinity: I'm most interested right now in getting my suspend button to sodding well suspend my laptop [10:17] Kinnison: How often does soyuz do cron.daily-like tasks? [10:17] infinity: once per hour, starting on the hour [10:17] Kinnison: I find it a bit disconcerting that my uploads seem to take hours to end up in build queues... [10:18] same here [10:18] the buildds all seem IDLE for a long time [10:18] I mean... I like a rest too, but... :-) [10:18] Currently we only build from the published package set [10:18] dholbach, RT #2865 [10:18] which means after a cron.daily cycle [10:18] for instance, mozilla-thunderbird, uploaded 2 hours ago, still not in build queues. [10:18] feel free to follow up (if thats possible) [10:19] infinity: 2hrs and not built is odd [10:19] Kinnison, i'm waiting since 3pm yesterday ... [10:19] thats more than 2h :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] hello [10:19] hey pitti [10:20] Kinnison: Actually, if the recent build logs are to be believed (and if they are, in fact, in reverse chronological order), nothing has built for 1.5 days.. [10:20] okay that's very odd [10:20] and noone rang me === sivang hugs pitti and Kinnison [10:21] Kinnison: Well, since I don't get mailed build logs, dealing with the web UI to see what's up is taking some getting used to. [10:21] an upload was broken for most of the day yesterday [10:22] Kinnison, i thought you handed it over, so RT was my choice ... [10:22] mailed buildlogs for ftbfs would be great [10:22] ogra: RT won't help much, you need to file bugs on soyuz. [10:22] ah [10:22] k [10:22] hey infinity, sivang, dholbach [10:22] hi Kinnison === pitti hugs ogra, too === ogra hugs pitti === carlos_ [n=carlos@gandalf.pemas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@gandalf.pemas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] hey carlos_ [10:32] pitti: hi [10:35] ogra: which RT request was it? [10:36] RT #2865 [10:40] elmo: please sync noweb 2.10c-3.2 (stable-security) and elog (new universe upstream, but tons of security fixes) === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-14-136.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kinnison goes to acquire coffee during workrave break === carlos [n=carlos@62.87.126.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] CarlFK: to get scp in the installer, 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' [11:01] CarlFK: /var/log/debian-installer moved to /var/log/installer, but won't be available until after the first reboot [11:02] CarlFK: there is no longer a typescript of tty1 activity in /var/log/base-config.log, which is what ogra was referring to (although it was only ever a typescript of the second stage, not the first), because we no longer run base-config [11:02] CarlFK: I don't know of a convenient way to get a screenshot of tty1 in the first stage other than a virtualisation environment of some kind or an actual camera [11:02] Kinnison: sounds like just this channel will be fine for now [11:03] Kamion: cool [11:03] and welcome aboard [11:03] Kamion: if you have the fb running, just catting /dev/fb0 to a file might work. [11:03] Kamion: I take it no word from mako or sabdfl about my membership? [11:04] Kinnison: I'll mail them now with a log of the meeting [11:04] Kamion: thanks [11:04] unless i'm really lucky, this fix to hal will take a while anyway [11:04] Mithrandir: /dev/vcs* if fb isn't running ? [11:04] Treenaks: I'm not sure if you can grab what's on a tty if it's not a fb. [11:05] Mithrandir: Virtual consoles: yes; ttys: I don [11:05] uh [11:05] other ttys: no idea [11:05] well, VCs are what's interesting here. I doubt ttyS's save any state at all [11:05] Mithrandir: cat /dev/vcs1 [11:06] indeed === martink [n=martin@p54B3BB4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] Kinnison: (mailed) === Kinnison nods Kamion [11:17] hm, i get no mails from the ubuntu lists anymore :/ "postfix/smtpd[13260] : timeout after DATA from esperanza.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.173] " [11:18] slomo, i get them ... [11:18] (more than i like :) ) [11:19] ogra: hmm, please send a testmail to me ;) maybe something is broken... but my own mails arrive [11:20] a PM ? [11:20] ogra: no, email... to slomo@ubuntu.com or mail@slomosnail.de [11:20] sent [11:21] yes, i wanted to know if a personal mail would suffice :) sent anyway === ogra watches dholbach getting praise on the desktop ML [11:21] well deserved :) [11:23] ogra: thanks [11:23] is that the bogofilter thing? [11:23] yup [11:23] whiprush, hey ! [11:23] I was wondering who did that. Very cool, works great here. [11:23] ogra: hey, I got some good edubuntu news. [11:23] whiprush, jammcq pinged me yesterday, youre a heavy edubuntu promoter i heard :) [11:24] hehe :) [11:24] Our Loco is helping out a local charity prebundling ubuntu. [11:24] heh [11:24] thats so cool :) [11:24] We already have 50 that are vouched for. [11:24] should be fun. [11:24] wow [11:25] i didnt even know you and jammcq know each other :) [11:25] yeah we start building them on saturday and taking pics of kids installing it and stuff, should be awesome. [11:25] heh, he's my lug president. :p [11:25] lol [11:25] ogra: hm, i didn't get the mail yet... i got two connects from fiordland.ubuntu.com but nothing happened yet... weird [11:26] the world is so small :=) [11:26] slomo, it didnt come back either [11:26] i'll look im my servers log, wait a sec, probably it shows something [11:27] ogra: I'm tasked with customizing the CD with some content, I'll swing by later, (going to work now) [11:27] Feb 13 11:26:53 aleph postfix/smtp[9949] : 7962B220CA5: to=, relay=mail.slomosnail.de[83.151.31.59] , delay=300, status=deferred (host mail.slomosnail.de[83.151.31.59] said: 421 mail.slomosnail.de Error: timeout exceeded (in reply to end of DATA command)) [11:27] slomo, ^^^ [11:27] whiprush, thanks for everything :) [11:28] ogra: nice... i didn't change anything in my setup since yesterday and now it stops working ;) hmm... [11:29] oh, above... [11:29] Feb 13 11:21:53 aleph postfix/smtp[9949] : certificate verification failed for mail.slomosnail.de: num=21:unable to verify the first certificate [11:29] did your tls cert expire ? [11:29] ogra: ah... thanks... that's most probably the problem :) [11:31] yes... *sigh* should work now again [11:31] want another testmail ? [11:31] sure [11:32] sent === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c128231.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] ogra: there's a new dia release [12:07] hmm, worth it ? [12:07] ogra: dia 0.95-pre1 - dunno if you want that in edubuntu [12:08] pre1 sounds scary [12:08] ogra: it can only be better ;))) === dholbach shrugs [12:08] i'll look at it [12:08] cool [12:17] Mithrandir: since I think you're already part-way there, could you start looking at keymap configuration in espresso? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/GnomeUserInterface and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/BaseSystemConfiguration are relevant [12:17] Mithrandir: you'll want to bzr pull, I've been doing the debconffilter refactoring work === j^_ [n=j@e178026071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ is now known as j^ [12:20] Kamion: will do. [12:21] Mithrandir: thanks [12:22] I'm going to try to make the gparted integration slightly less painfully bad today, I think [12:23] mvo, I have some suggestions/bugs about the update-manager dist-upgrader, where did you sent the mail originally? [12:26] koke: I send it to ubuntu-devel, feel free to mail me personally about this (especially upgrade reports) === mvo goes for lunch now [12:32] mjg59: ping [12:42] Hi [12:44] mjg59: I was wondering why your xgl upload is in the -kserver package. Can see that causing lots of questions. [12:44] It's not [12:44] I haven't uploaded xgl yet [12:44] mjg59: hm, see, lots of questions already. :) [12:44] I've just removed it from the kdrive one === HiddenWolf hides. :) [12:44] seb128, what about http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94049 ? can we have it ? [12:44] mjg59: You did not? I installed it yesterday:-) [12:45] ogra: no [12:45] hunger: That's old xgl === hunger wonders which version he grabbed... [12:45] seb128, why ? [12:45] Like, really old [12:45] seb128, its really giving edubuntu users a hard time ... [12:45] That explains why it does not work too well then. [12:45] Try utterly ancient. :) [12:45] ogra: because I don't want to divert from upstream for that, especially for a patch I don't understand === sivang is first to try XGL official dapper debs if/when they're out :) [12:46] seb128, it forces users of internet cafes to switch to xfce or KDE, thats quite a big amount ... [12:46] ogra: I need to have a look on it, it seems to not be too long should be quite easy [12:46] sivang: you'll have to beat a horde of anxious users to it. ;) [12:46] sivang: Not if I can beat you to it. I'd really like to see what all the fuss is about. [12:46] sivang: This evening, with luck - compiz has broken itself, and I want that in first so I can test the Xgl package [12:46] ogra: did you try the patch? [12:46] seb128, i'd love you till the end of my life if we could get it [12:47] will do and repoirt back [12:47] is that supposed to convince me? :p [12:47] lol [12:47] as long as it doesnt scare you [12:47] mjg59: yay, that means you're getting clsoe right? === seb128 hides behind dholbach [12:47] sivang: Yes. Xgl builds and works fine, but needs integration love [12:47] ogra: it does in fact :p [12:47] oh, sorry :) [12:48] let me know if it fixes your issue [12:48] seb128: shall I bring ogra back into his cage? :-) [12:48] It also needs me to figure out why it won't run standalone [12:48] if it does we will ship with next package update === ogra makes menkeyish noises [12:48] dholbach: yes please :) === dholbach hugs ogra [12:48] *monkeyish === _koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] haha [12:50] Hm. [12:50] The build is bitching about undefined symbols, but in plugins that are designed to be opened in the main program [12:50] Which is where those symbols are define [12:50] d [12:51] There's something obviously wrong here, I think [12:51] its a very unixy trick [12:51] Oh, I see why Xgl bitches in standalone mode [12:51] seb128: weill you upgrade to the new gtk release? [12:51] fucks up and dies on windows [12:51] lifeless: I'd expect it to work fine here, but the linker seems to have other ideas [12:52] doko: sure, it's on my disk since yesterday, I just run GTK for a day or so usually before uploading, why? [12:53] mjg59: using libtool ? [12:53] lifeless: Yeah [12:53] make sure it has the 'be as broken as windows' feature turned off [12:53] maswan: care to kick ravel? :-) [12:56] seb128: the wxpython maintainer did ask me [12:57] Debian question or Ubuntu one? [12:58] pitti: something still seems to be popping up a window for /target when espresso mounts it [12:58] /dev/sda1 on /target type ext3 (rw) [12:58] mjg59: (do you have time for that wacom-tools stuff today?) [12:59] Kamion: hmm, trying to reproduce here [12:59] Treenaks: This evening [12:59] Kamion: good timing, btw, I uploaded a new g-v-m 10 seconds ago :) [12:59] mjg59: cool, thx [01:00] pitti: heh. live CD image from a few days ago === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-17-37.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] lifeless: Works if I use automake-1.7 rather than 1.9 [01:05] Looks like the linker flags aren't being passed through [01:07] Hmm, looks like my laptop isn't coming out of suspend again === Kinnison bahs [01:08] Kinnison: lots of people seem to have that === Treenaks has that too [01:08] Treenaks: yeah, annoying when I'm trying to fix a bug in the suspend button [01:08] Kinnison: Suspend button bug? [01:08] mjg59: toshiba, hal, blah [01:08] Kinnison: (Note that I've changed the handling of suspend buttons a lot) [01:09] mjg59: the outward sign is "pressing fn+f3 does not suspend the laptop" === lemsto [n=salim@ANantes-154-1-42-249.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] hmm, I can ping it, but it's not come back further than that [01:09] Kinnison: It should just be generating a keycode now, and latest hal should pick up on that with hald-keyboard-addon [01:09] Kinnison: You'll need g-p-m === Kinnison has g-p-m [01:09] Latest? === Kinnison will tell you when his laptop has booted again [01:10] Pressing the sleep button ought to be generating a dbus system message === Kinnison nods [01:11] But that needs latest hal [01:11] what info would help? [01:12] Package versions, whether hald-addon-keyboard is running, whether you get a message on the system bus when you hit the key [01:12] And whether sudo acpi_fakekey 142 does the same thing [01:12] Oh, acpi_fakekey may be broken - someone pointed that out to me [01:12] right, a dist-upgrade shows nothing halish [01:12] hald-addon-keyboard is running [01:13] If you run xev and do sleep 2; sudo acpi_fakekey 142 then point at the xev window, does it generate an event? [01:13] Kamion: hmm, g-v-m doesn't do anything here if I mount something on /target [01:13] Kamion: which g-v-m version did you use? [01:14] Kamion: that was fixed in 1.5.10-0ubuntu4 [01:14] mjg59: no, and sudo exits with status 2 [01:14] Kinnison: Ok, acpi-fakekey is broken [01:15] would it help if I investigated that? [01:15] Nah, known bug [01:15] With known fix [01:15] Just need to upload [01:15] Okay [01:15] It seems to work for me entirely by accident, so I didn't catch it [01:15] Right [01:15] If you have a fix, I'll move on to something else for now [01:16] like looking at why my sodding machine doesn't come back properly [01:16] seb128: s/or/and/ [01:17] doko: it has been uploaded yesterday to Debian and will be today to Ubuntu [01:17] pitti: 1.5.12-0ubuntu1 === aigarius [n=aigarius@85.254.221.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] Kamion: hm, do you want to help me with debugging? [01:18] Kinnison: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/31302 [01:18] malone bug 31302 in acpi-support "[PATCH] Fix typo in acpi_fakekey.c" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [01:18] anyone would have comment on this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015252.html [01:18] pitti: sure, except that I just rebooted that live CD so it'll take a moment to set up again [01:18] Kamion: no problem, see /msg [01:19] Oh argh now the build has broken again [01:20] Hang on [01:22] Nngh. [01:22] Why has dh_make put CFLAGS stuff in that breaks the build? [01:24] mjg59: Who is the best person to ask about gnome-power-manager? [01:24] Kinnison: I'm a good start [01:25] should it be showing options for what to do when I press the suspend button? [01:25] Yes === ogra raises his hand as well (but only for the trivial bits) [01:25] Ah. But possibly only if it thinks you have a suspend button (which it ought to) [01:25] Right, well it isn't [01:25] thats a hal thing then ... [01:25] Okay, so hal needs to be educated about toshiba laptops? [01:25] No [01:26] g-p-m needs to be told to show the suspend stuff all the time [01:26] Since we can't actually tell if you have a suspend key or not [01:26] Right === carlos [n=carlos@62.87.118.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] Go go compiz upload! [01:35] heh [01:36] mjg59: Okay, so turning off video-post made the laptop come back after suspend [01:36] Kinnison: Fun [01:37] Kinnison: Now you get to work out why that's unhappy :) [01:37] aye [01:37] mjg59: Wooyay [01:37] Xgl will follow later [01:37] Kamion thanks for the answers [01:37] I probably need to do that from home, it's going to need some testing [01:38] mjg59: heh, but coming back from suspend, g-p-m's icon has vanished === Kinnison sighs [01:39] hmm, looks like your dbus crashed or something [01:40] dbus is fine [01:40] well, networkmanager hasn't died [01:40] hmm [01:40] Kinnison: Is there still a space where the icon should be? [01:40] no [01:40] (And in gnome-power-manager still running?) [01:40] s/in/is/ [01:40] no it isn't [01:40] does it come back if you start the preferences ? [01:41] ogra: yes it does [01:41] hmm ... [01:41] and a suspend/resume cycle just reliably killed it again [01:41] Kinnison: Ok. Can you do gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --verbose ? [01:41] doesnt happen here [01:41] mjg59: yep, I'll do that right now [01:41] See where it's falling over [01:41] If that's not enlightening, then do the same with a gdb stuck on it [01:41] at least I can resume reliably again [01:42] Can anyone other than elmo do NEW? [01:42] kamion can === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] mjg59: okay, this time, it stayed alive, and I got a six-icon logout dialog [01:42] Kinnison: ? [01:42] Weird [01:42] wasn't the 6-icon dialog abandoned? === hunger still can not suspend. Suspend request is just ignored. [01:43] I wonder if that was it somehow getting a power buttn event [01:43] hunger: With what? g-p-m? [01:43]