[12:02] <ajmitch_> raphink: yeah, and my home box is in NZ
[12:02] <ajmitch_> I'm in australia
[12:02] <raphink> argh :s
[12:03] <ajmitch_> a good thing I can collect my email on my laptop
[12:03] <ajmitch_> & that my gpg key is on the usb mem stick with me
[12:04] <raphink> yes
[12:04] <ajmitch_> still very very annoying
[12:05] <fbond> dolson: sounds good :)
[12:06] <dolson> fbond: I looked at om and omins, but Willem's debianizations have a ton of source patches for whatever reason, so I'm putting it off for a while
[12:15] <fbond> hmm.  om looks good.  i bet most of those patches could be scrapped at this point.  om will see a new release (0.3.0) soon, anyway.  might as well wait, for now.
[12:16] <dolson> yeah, I read that, but I don't know how soon soon is.. will it hit before it's too late for dapper?
[12:20] <fbond> dolson: probably.  there's not much time left :)
[12:21] <fbond> raphink: "it is a good practice (although not compulsory in any way) to install into debian/tmp/ and use this path in .install files"
[12:21] <ajmitch_> about a week
[12:21] <fbond> raphink: i don't follow this entirely
[12:21] <fbond> my package does install into debian/tmp.  You would like my install files to reference this dir explicitly?
[12:21] <raphink> fbond: using the --prexid argument for configure
[12:21] <raphink> or DEBHELPER variables iirc
[12:21] <raphink> oh well then
[12:22] <ajmitch_> raphink: eh? --prefix for configure should never need to mention debian/tmp :)
[12:22] <raphink> you should use debian/tmp/ in your install files
[12:22] <raphink> ajmitch_: I still need to learn morea bout that ;)
[12:22] <raphink> I use cdbs ;)
[12:22] <tseng> hi ajmitch_
[12:22] <ajmitch_> raphink: if you did use that I would send it back for fixing
[12:22] <ajmitch_> hello tseng
[12:23] <raphink> ajmitch_: hehe
[12:23] <ajmitch_> raphink: it can break things
[12:23] <raphink> ok
[12:24] <raphink> good to know ;)
[12:24] <fbond> i would assume some build systems hard set paths in programs to --prefix prefix
[12:24] <fbond> sorry if i'm being daft
[12:25] <ajmitch_> yes, they can
[12:25] <ajmitch_> which is why DESTDIR is generally used with make install
[12:25] <fbond> 'dh_install -A --sourcedir=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp' is not ideal?
[12:25] <fbond> it is better to leave off --sourcedir?
[12:25] <fbond> and put debian/tmp/file/to/install in .install file?
[12:25] <azeem> it is equivalent
[12:26] <azeem> --sourcedir is useful when you migrate old dh_movefiles packages to dh_install
[12:26] <LaserJock> azeem: got a minute?
[12:26] <azeem> LaserJock: argh, sorry
[12:26] <azeem> saw your ping, but got distracted
[12:26] <azeem> LaserJock: what's up?
[12:30] <dolson> how would I properly put the Copright Holder: line in debian/copyright if the single author of the program says written by him, and (c) 2004 Novell ?
[12:30] <azeem> LaserJock: btw, I had another look at the ghemical amd64 bug today, and saw that current CVS no longer has that file nor that function
[12:30] <azeem> so that will make it a bit more difficult to fix it
[12:31] <azeem> I should try my look on the Debian amd64 porting machine
[12:31] <LaserJock> hmm, did they say why the removed it?
[12:32] <azeem> code restructuring I think
[12:32] <azeem> it wasn't the only file
[12:32] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:59] <crimsun> well that's interesting.
[02:00] <crimsun> Dapper's libpqxx's debian/control clearly has Conflicts/Replaces on Breezy's libpqxx-2.5.5c2, but they're not showing up at all in apt-cache
[02:08] <minghua> crimsun: strange indeed, I looked at the build log at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libp/libpqxx/2.5.5-2ubuntu1/libpqxx_2.5.5-2ubuntu1_20051201-1015-i386-successful.gz, the Conflicts/Replaces with -2.5.5c2 is not there either
[02:09] <minghua> crimsun: I think I got it
[02:09] <minghua> # Make sure debian/control is up-to-date.
[02:09] <minghua> debian/control: debian/changelog debian/control.in
[02:09] <minghua>         sed $(SEDPATTERN) <debian/control.in >debian/control
[02:10] <crimsun> ah, d'oh
[02:10] <crimsun> I didn't even look for .ins
[02:10] <minghua> crimsun: we didn't patch control.in
[02:10] <crimsun> right
[02:10] <crimsun> that's the gotcha
[02:11] <crimsun> silly me, the tab-completion on debian/control should have been a clue
[02:13] <minghua> Hmm, maybe a bug should be filed about not shipping the debian/control file at all
[02:19] <crimsun> minghua: thanks for the quick check
[02:20] <minghua> crimsun: no problem
[02:47] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[02:47] <raphink> hi freeflying
[02:47] <ajmitch_> hi
[04:04] <LaserJock> anybody here ever use svn.debian.org?
[04:10] <MarioMeyer> ajmitch_, ping
[04:18] <ajmitch_> MarioMeyer: pong
[04:18] <MarioMeyer> can i pvt u? about py packages
[04:19] <ajmitch_> about what packages?
[04:19] <MarioMeyer> do you have any docs about making it?
[04:19] <MarioMeyer> i have a couple of py apps to package
[04:20] <ajmitch_> docs? no, I just do it :)
[04:20] <MarioMeyer> i'd like to learn how ;)
[04:20] <ajmitch_> it's easiest if they're using distutils & you use cdbs
[04:21] <MarioMeyer> nope.. we're developing them..
[04:21] <MarioMeyer> for NetworkWideUpdates
[04:22] <ajmitch_> ok, do you have anything like distutils, or are they just files in a directory?
[04:22] <MarioMeyer> just files
[04:23] <nictuku> damn that developer
[04:23] <nictuku> oops that's me =] 
[04:23] <MarioMeyer> lol
[04:24] <MarioMeyer> nictuku, all your fault
[04:24] <MarioMeyer> ;)
[05:01] <minghua> LaserJock: I do
[05:10] <wasabi> o I'm trying to make a init script... start-stop-daemon, with a python daemon. It starts fine, but can't stop it. Says it's not running
[05:10] <wasabi> Lock file is created fine.
[05:11] <wasabi> ahh got it.
[05:11] <wasabi> --name bad.
[05:13] <ajmitch_> :)
[05:33] <LaserJock> minghua: hmm, I was trying to commit to a project on svn.debian.org but it wasn't working. But then I saw on the Debian wiki that sometimes it takes a while so maybe I will just try tomorrow
[05:33] <ajmitch_> it can take awhile for account data to sync
[05:33] <ajmitch_> maybe a day or so
[05:34] <LaserJock> I guess I just need to chill out ;-)
[05:35] <minghua> LaserJock: yes, svn.d.o syncs the account data from alioth once per day
[05:35] <minghua> ah ajmitch_ already told you that :-P
[05:35] <LaserJock> would that include being added to a project?
[05:35] <LaserJock> cause I can ssh into svn.debian.org
[05:36] <LaserJock> I just can't seem to commit
[05:36] <minghua> LaserJock: yes, you need to be added to a project to write to its svn repo, I suppose (I never tried otherwise)
[05:36] <LaserJock> makes sense, otherwise anybody with an account could commit to any project
[05:37] <LaserJock> I'm just getting excited, azeem has got a chemistry CDD called debichem. He added me today and I wanted to commit something
[06:02] <LaserJock> crimsun: ping?
[06:10] <LaserJock> ajmitch: around?
[06:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes?
[06:13] <LaserJock> ajmitch: will you be at the next TB meeting?
[06:13] <ajmitch_> probably not
[06:13] <ajmitch_> what time is it?
[06:14] <LaserJock> 20:00 UTC
[06:14] <LaserJock> on the 14th
[06:14] <ajmitch_> 6am local time, iirc
[06:14] <LaserJock> ouch
[06:14] <ajmitch_> so I won't have net access
[06:15] <LaserJock> ok, I was thinking of trying for MOTU so I was wondering who all could make it
[06:15] <ajmitch_> sorry, I'm away from home, working :)
[06:15] <LaserJock> oh, that's right your in Australia
[06:15] <ajmitch_> MarioMeyer: what was your question?
[06:16] <MarioMeyer> about that python package creation
[06:16] <MarioMeyer> just files on the dir
[06:16] <ajmitch_> MarioMeyer: that's not a question really
[06:17] <MarioMeyer> i wanted to know how to package it
[06:17] <ajmitch_> or it's one that's vague enough that I could spend lots of time stepping you through packaging it
[06:17] <MarioMeyer> basically i need a package that puts it in site-packages/pkgname/
[06:17] <MarioMeyer> or smth
[06:17] <ajmitch_> ok
[06:17] <ajmitch_> so put them in there, debian/rules is just a makefile
[06:18] <nictuku> MarioMeyer, we need to package it in python first using distutils, preferably
[06:18] <MarioMeyer> making debian/rules to move them there is enough, then?
[06:18] <ajmitch_> if it's done right, you have to put them in a directory under debian/
[06:22] <zakame> hi MOTUs :)
[06:22] <ajmitch_> hello zakame
[06:22] <zakame> hello ajmitch
[07:24] <ajmitch> someone should really kill that epiphany vs firefox thread
[07:24] <ajmitch> hm, another kiwi
[07:24] <zakame> heh
[07:25] <zakame> gmail clogger
[07:25] <ajmitch> I go to that folder, hoping to see important mail
[07:25] <ajmitch> and then get sorely disappointed
[07:37] <jsgotangco> Debian Search disabled
[07:37] <jsgotangco> The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it.
[07:37] <jsgotangco> ?
[07:38] <ajmitch_> hello dholbach
[07:38] <zakame> good afternoon dholbach
[07:38] <dholbach> hello andrew! :)
[07:38] <dholbach> hey zak!
[07:38] <jsgotangco> :P
[07:38] <zakame> jsgotangco: packages is down, try pdo.debian.net
[07:39] <dholbach> hey jerome
[07:39] <jsgotangco> zakame, err i'm not looking for packages :P
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning everybody else :)
[07:40] <jsgotangco> i'm looking for a friggin' HCL similar to what RHEL has and its quite in-depth
[07:40] <zakame> jsgotangco: all the same, the search thing I think is on the same as the packages.d.o server
[07:40] <jsgotangco> hi daniel how's berlin?
[07:41] <jsgotangco> zakame, site search is different from package search it seems
[07:41] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i'm glad to be back, after my parents' place, luxemburg and london :-)
[07:41] <dholbach> jsgotangco: althought I enjoyed the other parts too. :-)
[07:41] <dholbach> jsgotangco: but it's cold - longon was at least 15 warmer
[07:42] <jsgotangco> oh you went to luxenbourg?
[07:42] <Kyral> ...I'm gonna have to trim up my Hackergotchi tomorrow (today?)
[07:42] <jsgotangco> luxembourg
[07:42] <jsgotangco> there
[07:43] <dholbach> jsgotangco: oh, i wanted to write to sounder@ about it - i was at linuxdays.lu
[07:43] <dholbach> did a booth and a talk
[07:43] <jsgotangco> must be tiring to be travelling a lot lately
[07:44] <dholbach> The travelling was ok, it's just nice to be home again - and to be able to try all the records I bought in London. :-)))
[07:44] <dholbach> jsgotangco: how is life for you?
[07:44] <ajmitch_> dholbach: ah, the life of the international traveller ;)
[07:44] <jsgotangco> yeah jetsetter
[07:44] <dholbach> hahaha
[07:44] <dholbach> you guys are funny :)
[07:44] <jsgotangco> dholbach, pretty stressful  lately
[07:45] <dholbach> why is that?
[07:46] <ajmitch_> work == stress?
[07:46] <jsgotangco> deadlines and stuff, im just a common server admin
[07:46] <ajmitch_> ah
[07:46] <ajmitch_> don't worry, I'm writing C# code
[07:46] <dolson> hey, question.. I'm trying to test a package in pbuilder, but it fails with "no rule to make target /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make"... question is, do I have to copy the contents of that file into my debian/rules for it to work properly? right now I have it as an include and it works with debuild..
[07:47] <jsgotangco> we're not like someone who just roams around europe and do sprints and talks
[07:47] <dholbach> dolson: you build-depend on dpatch?
[07:47] <dolson> dholbach: !!! thanks
[07:49] <dholbach> dolson: de rien :-)
[07:49] <dolson> no idea what that means, but ok!
[07:50] <dholbach> french for: "anytime" - "don't worry" :-)
[07:51] <dolson> cool, cool :) I will have this uploaded soon.. I just gotta fix the build-deps because there was no configure or anything good like that.. the makefile alone is crap, has no install, clean, etc.
[07:51] <zakame> gaah
[07:51] <dholbach> As I said, I'll be quite busy with GNOME 2.13.92, but just tell me when I need to take a look
[07:51] <zakame> using CDBS' buildcore?
[07:51] <dholbach> dolson: I really want to help you guys get going.
[07:52] <dolson> dholbach: it's super appreciated.. I don't know any other distros that have the PAM/glibc/bash patches for rlimits yet, but I'm told dapper will. you guys have been great to me, and I have learned a lot in just a couple days
[07:53] <dholbach> dolson: that's my impression to - you're doing very well! :)
[07:54] <dolson> dholbach: one week ago, my only hope was checkinstall. thankfully, it's broken on dapper, so the temptation is gone, lol
[07:55] <dholbach> haha!
[07:55] <whiprush> hi guys
[07:55] <dholbach> It's great being able to not fix stuff for just oneself, but for everybody
[07:55] <ajmitch> hey whiprush
[07:55] <dholbach> hey whiprush
[07:55] <zakame> hello whiprush
[07:55] <zakame> dholbach++
[07:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: at the moment I can't even do that
[07:55] <whiprush> wow, don't I feel popular. :)
[07:56] <dholbach> ajmitch:  busy?
[07:56] <whiprush> heh
[07:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: yes, and with no net access outside work
[07:57] <dolson> dholbach: yeah, I have had many people suggest I put up a repository.. but wtf is the point of that? we can help improve and expand ubuntu... seems like a better idea to have it all in officially, rather than some 3rd party stuff. and I've had a few submissions of packages.. naming conventions are screwed up and lintian flips out because they were all done in checkinstall. I don't want to be a part of something like that, with a bunch
[07:57] <dolson> of fundamentally broken packages.. but that's just me :)
[07:58] <dholbach> That's the spirit! :)
[07:59] <dolson> hardcoded incorrect qt lib paths suck
[08:00] <zakame> dolson++
[08:03] <dolson> uploaded. next!
[08:04] <jsgotangco> whiprush, fridge!
[08:05] <whiprush> heh
[08:17] <floam> dolson: think you're too cool for #io?
[08:17] <dolson> floam: lol
[08:18] <dolson> floam: I am only in this channel because the xchat panel notifier thingy shows up whenever someone types, and I don't care right now if anyone says anything other than what is said in here
[08:19] <zakame> lol
[08:19] <floam> dolson: panel notifier? are you on xchat-gnome?
[08:19] <dolson> yeah
[08:19] <floam> just go into preferences and turn off that plugin
[08:20] <floam> there's like notification, and on-screen display
[08:20] <floam> maybe it's one of them
[08:21] <dolson> floam: I like the plugin
[08:21] <floam> oh.
[08:21] <dolson> floam: I just don't like that it's not very configurable.. like, "ignore all channels, but this one"
[08:21] <floam> so,
[08:21] <floam> dolson: think you're too cool to get nofifications from #io?
[08:21] <dolson> floam: yes. the thing would be blinking all the time from Mongoose
[08:22] <floam> it should only blink up if you are addressed
[08:22] <floam> at least that's what it does here
[08:22] <dolson> well, there's different icons
[08:22] <floam> oh, the notification icon
[08:23] <floam> I only have the OSD thing on, which uses libnotify
[08:23] <dolson> yeah, when I see the icon, I come in here and read what's going on
[08:23] <dolson> because it is important! to me
[08:23] <floam> and pops up telling me what someone said to me
[08:23] <dolson> yeah it does that too
[08:23] <floam> it works nice because it can popup over a fullscreen game without messing that game in the bottom corner for a few seconds
[08:23] <floam> s/game/game up/
[08:24] <dolson> but sometimes people spell names wrong and whatnot, or don't always address me, and I like to follow everything that's said in here anyhow
[08:24] <dolson> it's how I learn things :)
[08:24] <floam> I didn't realize you were a master or prospective
[08:24] <floam> I just joined here because I hope to see someone mention it when compiz gets into universe
[08:25] <dolson> I am no master
[08:25] <dolson> I'm just trying to get some music apps packaged for dapper
[08:25] <floam> s/prospective/prospective master/
[08:25] <floam> oh, like what?
[08:26] <dolson> well, there's a list I'm slowly picking from on my wiki. but so far I have packaged mx44, a fixed seq24, a launcher util I wrote, and qmidiarp
[08:27] <dolson> floam: did you realize that there is a channel called #io?
[08:27] <floam> literally #io?
[08:28] <floam> I guess there is
[08:28] <zakame> yeah
[08:28] <floam> there will always only be one true io in my mind
[08:29] <dolson> I only joined it because I figured someone wouldn't know what you were referring to :) and I was right
[08:30] <zakame> heh /me would be that someone :P
[08:30] <floam> hah
[08:30] <dolson> has there even been any new Linux games lately?
[08:30] <zakame> well anyhow I've nothing much to do except hack up a linux 101 presentation :P
[08:30] <dolson> the last one I bought was Lugaru
[08:30] <floam> dolson: coldwar I guess
[08:31] <floam> you can download a linux demo, it's pretty and fun
[08:31] <floam> oh
[08:31] <dolson> I promised them I'd buy it if they had a Linux port, and then like the next day Ryan had one out.. so I was like, damn.
[08:31] <floam> ryan just ported second life
[08:31] <floam> and there's a beta you can download
[08:31] <dolson> second life.. sounds like a FPS
[08:31] <floam> MMORPG
[08:32] <dolson> ah. pay-for?
[08:32] <floam> http://secondlife.com/
[08:32] <floam> free
[08:32] <floam> unless you buy land
[08:32] <floam> it's very weird
[08:32] <floam> it's not really a game per-se
[08:32] <floam> it has it's own economy and stuff
[08:32] <floam> and you can make things
[08:32] <floam> it's really weird
[08:32] <floam> it's like a second real life
[08:32] <floam> you can directly exchange cash in the game for real currency
[08:32] <dolson> then it is a fitting name
[08:32] <floam> yes
[08:32] <dolson> I don't even have a first life...
[08:33] <dolson> I think I have a half life
[08:33] <zakame> hoho
[08:33] <floam> hm, there's a northland demo for linux
[08:33] <floam> and lgp is beta testing x2 which I've been playing which is a bit fun
[08:33] <dolson> I had to get Lugaru because a game where you play a killer kungfu bunny rabbit is just the ideal thing for fans of Donnie Darko
[08:34] <dolson> oh yeah, I'm on that beta
[08:34] <floam> dolson: I bought lugaru
[08:34] <floam> it's fun
[08:34] <dolson> but it doesn't work on my system very well.. I need an upgrade I think
[08:34] <floam> well, was fun
[08:34] <floam> for a week
[08:34] <floam> dolson: have you gotten the newer betas?
[08:34] <floam> the first was was very very slow
[08:34] <floam> it's gotten better
[08:34] <dolson> Lugaru needs MP
[08:34] <floam> like 80% better
[08:34] <floam> as far as framerate
[08:34] <dolson> floam: nope.. been busy. I started a site for ubuntu musicians and then got into packaging, so I haven't had time
[08:35] <dolson> plus I'm looking for a job :\
[08:35] <floam> dolson: do you know lee revell
[08:35] <dolson> yeah
[08:35] <dolson> he's on the LAU list
[08:35] <floam> he's been trying to get a bunch of latency related stuff done for music people
[08:36] <dolson> yeah, I'm pretty sure he linked to my wiki when he sent the emails in
[08:36] <floam> ah
[08:36] <dolson> I am running a patched pam right now, and it works very well
[08:38] <dolson> although the patches he is pushing for are for allowing apps to request realtime access. the latency stuff is more at the kernel level, and we can't get any better than having CONFIG_PREEMPT=y in the dapper kernel without further patches that may cause issues
[08:38] <floam> yeah
[08:38] <floam> I follow lkml a lot
[08:38] <dolson> Mark has said it will happen, but I'm not sure exactly any details he has planned
[08:38] <floam> it'd be interetesting if some of ingo's -rt stuff got in
[08:39] <dolson> I am running it, and it is fantastic... 95% pre-emption vs 50%
[08:39] <floam> rad
[08:39] <dolson> I was compiling a kernel, running a cpuburn program, surfing in firefox, chatting in gaim, all while listening to some MP3s through XMMS plugged through JACK-Rack with 0 xruns
[08:40] <zakame> ooh haven't touched -rt and kernel-backing for some time now
[08:41] <dolson> I managed to patch the -rt over ubuntu's kernel source, with a whole ton of failed hunks that I patched in by hand.. but in the end, it didn't compile. some function had too few parameters and it errored out, so I gave up
[08:47] <dolson> what the crap
[08:48] <zakame> waah
[08:48] <dolson> this package doesn't even have a Makefile :|
[08:48] <zakame> go buildcore.mk then ;)
[08:48] <dolson> mmm, I don't yet know what that means
[08:49] <dolson> ah, there appear to be make files, but not named that
[08:53] <dolson> it's the first time I've seen that. I'm such a n00b
[08:57] <nomed> dholbach, how is  the galago stuff  going?
[08:59] <dholbach> nomed: I cancelled the operation
[09:00] <nomed> does this mean dapper will not have galgo's pkges ?
[09:00] <dholbach> nomed: the problem was, I had to have packaged svn, which has a soname change in the library - unfortunately we're not in a period of our release cycle, where I'd rather not do a transition
[09:00] <dholbach> It's Dapper+1 material, I'm sorry.
[09:01] <dholbach> apart from having a difficult discussion to get SVN packages in after UpstreamVersionFreeze
[09:02] <nomed> do you think it's better if ChipX86 will remove those debian dirs from svn ?
[09:02] <dholbach> Absolutely.
[09:03] <dholbach> It messes up the .diff.gz every time and I had to patch out the debian/Makefile* by hand (and out of configure.*)
[09:03] <nomed> yep
[09:03] <dholbach> They make no sense.
[09:04] <nomed> i would try to figure out if xfce-galago can be fixed ...
[09:04] <nomed> and how ...
[09:04] <nomed> i'll pkge *galago* by myself so ..
[09:06] <dolson> man, this guy was on crack
[09:06] <dolson> there is no install, and the readme doesn't say what files need to be where
[09:08] <dolson> it wouldn't be bad if it was just the app, but there's the app, several xml files, a couple png files, an ams file... a desktop file that references a non-existant icon..
[09:19] <dolson> ..and so does the source code. wow. just wow.
[09:19] <zakame> lol
[09:53] <dolson> argh. litter-training-ferret--
[11:33] <dolson> fbond: did you say you had packages for linuxsampler?
[11:43] <sealne> what is the way to debify a package that dosen't use auto stuff, it has a makefile with /usr/local specified do i need a patch to change that to debian/tmp or something?
[11:46] <dolson> sealne: you need to use a patch. what I do is copy the directory, make the changes I need, then diff -ru on them both.. then follow the process in the debian maintainer's guide about patches
[11:46] <zakame> hi all
[11:46] <dolson> wb zakame
[11:46] <sealne> is debian/tmp what i want to change it to?
[11:46] <zakame> thanks dolson
[11:47] <zakame> there's also debdiff too
[11:48] <sealne> ah $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin ?
[11:48] <dolson> yeah, that's what you would want
[11:48] <sealne> ta
[11:48] <dolson> np :)
[12:10] <sealne> should i change mkdir and cp to install?
[12:40] <dolson> sealne: not sure what you mean
[12:45] <dolson> sealne: if the makefile has the paths hardcoded, then yeah, I'm sure you have to put destdir in
[12:45] <dolson> 645am.. bed time
[02:31] <freeflying> Yagisan: hi
[02:38] <Yagisan> hows it going freeflying ?
[02:38] <freeflying> Yagisan: are u from Japan ?
[02:39] <Yagisan> freeflying: no, I'm from Australia. My wife is from Japan however
[02:39] <Yagisan> freeflying: What about you ? where are you from ?
[02:39] <freeflying> Yagisan: hehe , I just look for some guys from CJK
[02:39] <freeflying> Yagisan: I'm from China PRC
[02:43] <Yagisan> freeflying: I only know one chinese word. Nihow (probably spelt wrong, and most likely wrong dialect too). It's either cantonese or mandarin for hello
[02:45] <freeflying> Yagisan: cool , hehe
[02:47] <Yagisan> freeflying: It comes from having my wife mistaken for being Chinese or Korean everywhere she goes. I can also say hello in Korean too now.
[02:48] <freeflying> Yagisan: we chinese also being mistaken as Japnese and korean too
[02:49] <Yagisan> freeflying: actually I had a similar situation, when I was in Japan, I was mistaken as someone from the USA quite often.
[02:50] <Yagisan> freeflying: I don't know why so many people make mistakes, you all are quite clearly different looking
[02:50] <jsgotangco> ni hao :D
[02:50] <freeflying> Yagisan: that's because you know we clearly , but others will not
[02:51] <freeflying> jsgotangco: hi , from korea ?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> nope, i've been there frequently though
[02:51] <Yagisan> freeflying: he spelt my nihow differently ;)
[02:53] <Yagisan> freeflying: hi in korean (womens dialect TTBOMK) is un yu ha say o (typed as I, a native english speaker, would pronounce it)
[02:53] <freeflying> Yagisan: hehe  :)
[02:59] <zakame> hi MOTUs :)
[03:29] <gypsymauro> hello
[03:30] <gypsymauro> sorry I can do a mirror of universe and multiverse repositories without having legal troubles?
[03:30] <zakame> hello gypsymauro
[04:44] <rob^^^> dholbach, could you take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/31244 real quick if you aren't too busy?
[04:45] <dholbach> rob^^^: error: page not found
[04:46] <rob^^^> dholbach, hrmm, I got that in an email
[04:46] <rob^^^> basically byzanz would compile cleanly on breezy if it's dephelper req was lowered to that of breezy
[04:47] <dholbach> rob^^^: i dunno if we backport NEW stuff to breezy
[04:47] <rob^^^> I wasn't suggesting that, just to lower the dep in case someone wanted to
[04:47] <dholbach> hrm
[04:48] (dholbach/#ubuntu-motu) and i got a bug report for that? :(
[04:49] (rob^^^/#ubuntu-motu) hehe
[05:03] <stratus> dholbach: can you tell me about the UVF exceptions processing status?
[05:04] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:04] <dholbach> stratus: let me look for the link
[05:05] <stratus> dholbach: oh, is there a status page in the wiki?
[05:05] <dholbach> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-January/000177.html
[05:05] <dholbach> that's the process
[05:06] <dholbach> i usually try to pass new uvf requests weekly to matt and colin
[05:06] <dholbach> (just sent a bunch of them today)
[05:06] <stratus> oh no, i'm aware about the process really
[05:07] <stratus> i asked the status, because i requested bzrtools and you replied but i see it wasn't processed
[05:07] <stratus> i think it was at least two weeks ago
[05:07] <stratus> is there a status page with the requests or something like that?
[05:07] <dholbach> ah right
[05:07] <stratus> I can help you starting one if you agree, let me know
[05:08] <dholbach> i said it's ok, but i'm not sure, if somebody requested a sync from debian
[05:09] <dholbach> i just talked to slomo_ on #ubuntu-desktop - if sync take too long from debian (because elmo is very busy at the moment), we shouldn't hesitate to upload a -0ubuntu1 version ourselves (if we have uvf exception approval)
[05:09] <dholbach> it's better to get stuff included asap, so it gets more testing until release
[05:09] <stratus> i agree, let me know, i'm the bzrtools maintainer in debian
[05:09] <dholbach> if it's a no-change -0ubuntu1 -> -1 sync, we can always do that before release
[05:11] <dholbach> stratus: i'll write elmo today (regardless if anybody else asked in the meantime) and if it's not done soon, i'd sponsor you an upload - does that make sense?
[05:11] <stratus> dholbach: sure, thanks.
[05:11] <dholbach> Cool.
[05:12] <stratus> dholbach: btw, what we can do about the others UVF ? Are they all processed ? Don't we need a wiki page to post the 'pending' stuff?
[05:12] <dholbach> i have a file on my disk where i keep track
[05:12] <dholbach> but i can put it on the wiki for sure
[05:12] <stratus> dholbach: it would be cool because the first thing i did was seek in the wiki for something like that.
[05:13] <dholbach> i just look at the mailing list, see if there are changelog/diffstat and somebody else who seconds the decision - with that info i'm happy to talk to matt and colin about it
[05:13] <dholbach> right
[05:13] <stratus> dholbach: I can help you listing the messages-ids from motu ML in the article if you don't have too much time to process it yourself
[05:13] <dholbach> i'll just do it
[05:13] <dholbach> it's a great idea
[05:13] <dholbach> thanks
[05:13] <stratus> heh
[05:14] <stratus> so, drop me a message when you list the stuff there in the wiki, after that i'll start posting the package name, who asked the exception and the message-id.
[05:14] <dholbach> cool
[05:16] <stratus> ;)
[05:21] <dholbach> stratus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus
[05:21] <dholbach> stratus: nothing fancy :)
[05:22] <stratus> dholbach: you're fast! :)
[05:22] <dholbach> i had the file on my disk already :)
[05:23] <stratus> dholbach: you said, heh. btw, i'll start reviewing the ML to see if there's some package missing, thanks!
[05:23] <dholbach> Cool, thanks.
[05:23] <dholbach> There were 2 or 3 which didn't have any diffstat/changelog attached
[05:24] <dholbach> I should have asked back on those
[05:27] <dholbach> stratus: i mailed James about bzrtools
[05:27] <dholbach> I'll get going on the MOTU report now.
[05:28] <stratus> dholbach: heh
[05:44] <dholbach> it's the 12th edition of the motu report!
[05:44] <dholbach> it's the BIRTHDAY edition
[05:45] <tseng> 1 year of dholbach !
[05:45] <tseng> (and me)
[05:45] <dredg> is it a year?
[05:45] <dredg> holy crap
[05:47] <dholbach> 11 months
[05:47] <dholbach> damn, it's not the birthday edition yet
[05:55] <dholbach> I'm going to announce the REVU day (wednesday, yes THIS wednesdays :)) with the motu report
[06:00] <Toadstool> heya MOTUs o/
[06:00] <dholbach>  hey Toadstool! o/ *high five*
[06:00] <Toadstool> :)
[06:02] <dholbach> Does anybody remember some exciting packages we got through NEW in the last time?
[06:05] <ogra> dholbach, many went from REVU to debian directly .....
[06:05] <dholbach> Ah.
[06:06] <Toadstool> dholbach: you mean, packages that were reviewed on REVU and which are waiting in Debian's NEW ?
[06:06] <dholbach> in Debian's NEW?
[06:06] <dholbach> did I miss something?
[06:06] <ogra> Toadstool, nope, the ones in our NEW
[06:06] <dholbach> why don't they wait in Ubuntu's NEW?
[06:06] <Toadstool> no I misunderstood something, I'm a little tired, sorry :)
[06:07] <dholbach> Toadstool: don't worry. :)
[06:07] <ogra> Toadstool, note that we're less than 10 days from feature freeze, if debian NEW approval is slow, packages from there might not get into ubuntu
[06:08] <lucas> also, elmo is currently slow too, so packages which got out of NEW in Debian might not get into Ubuntu very fast
[06:09] <lucas> (ie: sync requests are not processed)
[06:09] <ogra> thast why you should uplaod to ubuntu ...
[06:09] <ogra> NEW in ubuntu *will* be processed before ff
[06:11] <Toadstool> that's why I'm looking forward the REVU day, my package's been accepted in Debian's NEW yesterday but there's no chance it will get out of NEW before ff :p
[06:12] <JavaGeek> hello
[06:13] <JavaGeek> what is the correct sources.list setup for having multiverse and universe, along with the usual updates?
[06:13] <dholbach> JavaGeek: just enable the sources in synaptic
[06:14] <JavaGeek> dholbach: is there a console equivalent?
[06:14] <dholbach> just remove the # from the stock /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:15] <JavaGeek> well, that's the thing... my sources.list appears to have been... edited. :(
[06:17] <hub> JavaGeek: add "universe multiverse" to the line with "main"
[06:19] <dholbach> JavaGeek: you had another question? :)
[06:19] <JavaGeek> yes... where is the place to ask for new packages?
[06:19] <JavaGeek> in particular, lincity-ng
[06:19] <JavaGeek> :)
[06:20] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[06:20] <dholbach> Afaik it should be on there already.
[06:20] <Kyral> lincity-ng is in the repos
[06:20] <dholbach> ah cool
[06:20] <Kyral> Universe
[06:20] <Kyral> 1.0.2-1
[06:20] <JavaGeek> ah, then my first question applies... I had my sources list wrong :)
[06:20] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[06:20] <JavaGeek> thx
[06:20] <Kyral> *hugs apt-cache policy*
[06:20] <dholbach> :-)
[06:21] <hub> same here
[06:21] <hub> I have it
[06:21] <Kyral> Eh its not a good SimCity clone...
[06:21] <Kyral> If I really wanted to play SimCity I'd just fire up WINE
[06:23] <hub> Kyral: I prefer freeciv
[06:24] <Kyral> Eh I don't really use my computer for gaming in the first place
[06:24] <Kyral> Thats what my GameCube and GBA are for ;D
[06:24] <hub> I don't use anything ofr gaming
[06:24] <hub> unless it involve dices and a board
[06:24] <Kyral> I have an addiction to Mega Man :D
[06:24] <hub> or dsomething else
[06:25] <Kyral> and Harvest Moon, strangly enough
[06:25] <Kyral> but I digress
[06:25] <Kyral> I'm hungry
[06:25] <Kyral> and hungry Hacker != Happy Hacker ;P
[06:26] <hub> me too
[06:26] <hub> it is diner soon
[06:26] <Kyral> lunchtime :D
[06:27] <hub> diner soon here :-)
[06:27] <JavaGeek> well, hopefully someone will port it to PSP
[06:27] <JavaGeek> :)
[06:28] <Kyral> Ick PSP
[06:28] <Kyral> tries to do too much
[06:28] <Kyral> Gimme my good ol' GBA or DS :D
[06:28] <ogra> hub, oh, youre in .fr ?
[06:28] <hub> ogra: I leave tomorrow
[06:28] <ogra> ah
[06:28] <Kyral> oh, IMO, we should abolish Timezones and make everyone use GMT ;P
[06:28] <JavaGeek> Kyral: try VNC'ing to your box with GBA ;)
[06:29] <Kyral> JavaGeek: this is what my laptop is for
[06:29] <Kyral> <<< Nintendo Fanboy since his first Game Boy back in 1990
[06:29] <JavaGeek> anyway, we digress
[06:30] <Kyral> *now I eat!*
[06:30] <JavaGeek> thank you all
[06:30] <JavaGeek> mmm... what's the package name? lincity-ng?
[06:31] <phanatic> hi people
[06:31] <dholbach> hi phanatic
[06:31] <JavaGeek> ahh... it's in dapper
[06:33] <JavaGeek> well, anyway, gotta go. Thanks again
[06:40] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[06:40] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[06:41] <LaserJock> dholbach: I need to get gausssum into Ubuntu. I got it into Debian unstable but it needs to be synced over to Dapper. Can you request that for me?
[06:42] <dholbach> why didn't it go into ubuntu in the first place?
[06:42] <dholbach> I think we should start collecting sync requests again
[06:42] <LaserJock> because I decided to package it for Debian and let it sync to Ubuntu so I wouldn't have to do it twice ;-)
[06:43] <dholbach> and mail them to James every now and then
[06:43] <dholbach> but I'd be *REALLY* happy, if it wasn't me, who had to do this
[06:43] <LaserJock> yeah, I already had crimsun do a few for me but it would probably be better to batch them
[06:43] <LaserJock> but he said to ask you about gausssumm since it would be NEW in dapper
[06:44] <dholbach> doesn't matter
[06:44] <dholbach> everybody who's known to James should be able to ask a sync
[06:44] <dholbach> Ok, how do we do this?
[06:45] <LaserJock> but if it hasn't been in Ubuntu before it isn't as easy, is it?
[06:45] <dholbach> it is
[06:45] <ogra> its very easy if you get it into ubuntu NEW
[06:45] <dholbach> do a wiki page and have a    || Who || Package || Justification || Requested (yes/no) ||     table for syncs?
[06:46] <Mithrandir> \sh_away: you might want to do a s/ooffice/&2/ in the config to actually make your ooqstart change useful.
[06:46] <dholbach> Mithrandir: it wouldn't work anyway, I guess - I tried to get it working before breezy release - seems that Linux OOo doesn't have the "preload" stuff
[06:46] <LaserJock> dholbach: do we need a justification for non-UVF breaking syncs?
[06:47] <dholbach> Mithrandir: (at least that's what i found out that time)
[06:47] <Mithrandir> dholbach: I'm basically forwarding a request from _rene_ about it.
[06:47] <dholbach> Oh, ok.
[06:48] <dholbach> LaserJock: i think it's good to have it.
[06:48] <dholbach> LaserJock: but we don't have to be as dead-serious as about uvf
[06:48] <ogra> LaserJock, nope, but it generates far less work if you dont push it to debian and sync from there, but upload directly to ubuntu, elmo is *very* busy it puts extra workload on everybody ...
[06:48] <ogra> (for NEW packages that is)
[06:49] <ogra> additionally it might hang in debians NEW for to long to make the freezes ...
[06:49] <LaserJock> ogra: it's already in unstable
[06:49] <LaserJock> and testing I guess
[06:49] <ogra> LaserJock, understood ...
[06:49] <dholbach> then it's just a sync
[06:49] <LaserJock> ok
[06:50] <ogra> i'm just a bit worried that suddenly everybody pushes his packages into debian instead of ubuntu
[06:50] <LaserJock> well, I took over an ITP so I was going to put it in Debian anyway
[06:50] <ogra> it raises the load ...
[06:51] <LaserJock> ogra: but it creates less delta if we don't have an 0ubuntuX version about, right?
[06:52] <ogra> i doubt it since it slows down everything ...
[06:52] <dholbach> we can always do a -0ubuntu1 -> -1 sync
[06:52] <dholbach> (if it contains no changes but the changelog)
[06:52] <LaserJock> but then why not just send -1 over
[06:52] <ogra> you need to push your change into debian first ... that takes extra time
[06:52] <dholbach> if we're blocked on syncs, we shouldn't wait for them :)
[06:53] <dholbach> and it's good to expose stuff to our users early
[06:53] <dholbach> soon we'll have a shiny request-your-sync-through-launchpad in place
[06:53] <dholbach> but at the moment we haven't
[06:53] <dholbach> :/
[06:53] <dholbach> which is sad, but we have to deal with it
[06:53] <ogra> and i guess even in launchpad it will need a human intervention to check ...
[06:54] <dholbach> maybe
[06:54] <dholbach> depending on the team you're in and the state of the release cycle
[06:55] <LaserJock> anyway, I am going through the MOTU Science packages and looking for sync/merges that need to be done. So should I just ask for syncs if the package has some real improvement or what?
[06:55] <LaserJock> there are quite a few -1 -> -1.1 kind of things
[06:56] <dholbach> sounds like a good idea, if it's stuff that works for us
[06:57] <LaserJock> but how hard do I need to justify the syncs/merges?
[06:57] <dholbach> not so much
[06:58] <LaserJock> I realize that elmo is very very busy so I guess I'm thinking that I don't want to create problems by requesting a bunch of syncs/merges for trivial things, is that a correct thinking?
[06:58] <LaserJock> on the other hand, why not have the latest Debian version that we can in Dapper?
[06:58] <dholbach> no, just do
[06:59] <dholbach> it makes perfect sense
[07:02] <LaserJock> ok, so are we going to do a wiki page?
[07:12] <dholbach> I had wished somebody else would take it.
[07:12] <dholbach> But I'm going to do it and ask everybody on the mailing list
[07:12] <LaserJock> do you want me to make the wiki page?
[07:13] <dholbach> yeah, that'd be great - although we should have one already around
[07:13] <LaserJock> it might have been cleaned out, I don't know
[07:13] <dholbach> hm, it seems we don't
[07:13] <dholbach> :)
[07:14] <dholbach> if you tell me the name, ill mail the mailing list
[07:14] <LaserJock> so should this just be syncs, or merges too?
[07:14] <dholbach> syncs
[07:14] <dholbach> merges is nothing we have to batch or request - or did i get your intention wrong?
[07:15] <LaserJock> oh, that makes sense. you understood me right ;-)
[07:15] <dholbach> ok, cool.
[07:19] <tseng> dholbach: a what?
[07:20] <tseng> :P
[07:20] <ogra> tseng, for the monthly report :)
[07:20] <tseng> ah
[07:20] <dholbach> phanatic: WOW!
[07:20] <dholbach> ogra: afterwards?
[07:20] <ogra> if you realeased it :)
[07:22] <phanatic> dholbach: i'm already after 2 appearences on tv as well ;)
[07:22] <dholbach> phanatic: stuff about Ubuntu?
[07:23] <phanatic> dholbach: right. first i spoke about history and general stuff, then about installing/upgrading
[07:23] <phanatic> was quite fun :)
[07:24] <dholbach> Coool.
[07:24] <phanatic> the hunagrian ubuntu site was launched recently
[07:25] <phanatic> Gauvain just called me "the Hungarian Ubuntu guy" :)
[07:26] <dholbach> haha :)
[07:28] <dholbach> nobody for a quick interview?
[07:29] <LaserJock> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SyncRequests
[07:29] <LaserJock> dholbach: I'd do it but you probably want somebody more prestigious ;-)
[07:29] <dholbach> LaserJock: thanks a lot
[07:30] <LaserJock> hi seth|lappy
[07:31] <dholbach> LaserJock: Everybody doing work in here is 'prestigious' in my eyes. :-)
[07:31] <seth|lappy> hi LaserJock
[07:36] <seth|lappy> is udev still deadly? :P I'm thinking of trying an upgrade again
[07:37] <dholbach> seth|lappy: atm there is some network interface rename messing :)
[07:38] <seth|lappy> dholbach, alright, that was what I was referring to :)
[07:38] <seth|lappy> thanks
[07:38] <dholbach> but i was told, that a   1) look up in /proc/net/dev; 2) sudo ifconfig <funny interface name> up; 3) sudo dhclient &   can cure it :-)
[07:38] <dholbach> (at least it did on two boxes, I came across) :-)
[07:38] <seth|lappy> I fear network death, since then it would be considerably harder to get the box up-and-running again with new packages
[07:38] <dholbach> yeah
[07:39] <ogra> the manual way is pretty reliable though ...
[07:39] <ogra> its just that you have to do it every boot ...
[07:39] <ogra> and the iface name might change every time
[08:10] <phanatic> if any of you has some time, could you have a look at this one, please: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1757 ?
[08:17] <dholbach> How does this look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Report/Draft ?
[08:17] <dholbach> (still saving) /me whistles
[08:19] <ogra> dholbach, nice
[08:20] <dholbach> ogra: Thanks.
[08:20] <dholbach> If somebody else could proof-read, I'd be happy and mail it.
[08:23] <crimsun> dholbach: in Jordan's statement regarding what he likes about MOTU, it should probably read "A person can come to the MOTU" instead of "I person can come to the MOTU"
[08:24] <dholbach> crimsun: ah right :)
[08:24] <crimsun> dholbach: sorry, been away in meetings most of the day
[08:25] <ogra> ah, missed that one ...
[08:32] <LaserJock> hmm, seems like LaserJock got kinda wordy  :-)
[08:43] <Kyral> I just realized that the first "u" in uupdate and uscan stands for "upstream" lol
[08:43] <dholbach> So I can send it? Really? :)
[09:22] <dholbach> stratus: nice work on the wiki page :)
[09:23] <tseng> dholbach: hm wherE?
[09:23] <stratus> lol
[09:23] <dholbach> MOTU/UVFStatus
[09:23] <stratus> dholbach: i just ripped off my internal table scheme (we use moinmoin here too), that turned out to be ripped off from early days of the ubuntu wiki =)
[09:23] <tseng> am i meant to do my reports on the wiki now?
[09:24] <stratus> i doubt
[09:24] <stratus> dholbach: btw, i'll just go through the UVF mails, populating more the article if necessary
[09:24] <dholbach> tseng: no... this is just an overview
[09:24] <dholbach> stratus: that's very nice of you - thanks.
[09:25] <stratus> i updated the article to inform that if you want to ask for a UVF exception you should mail ubuntu-motu ML and not update the wiki
[09:25] <lucas> dholbach: did you package ekiga from scratch, or did you use an existing package ?
[09:25] <stratus> dholbach: you're welcome and that was trivial for me. :)
[09:26] <dholbach> lucas: I think I mentioned it in the changelog - I used Kilian's package.
[09:26] <dholbach> lucas: same goes for the necessary libraries
[09:26] <dholbach> lucas: kilian's ekiga package was heavily based on the existing gnomemeeting package
[09:26] <lucas> ah yes
[09:26] <dholbach> stratus: cool
[09:26] <lucas> I missed that
[09:27] <stratus> in a side note, kids running debian sid should take a look at initng package in experimental.
[09:27] <lucas> dholbach: the esd bug was fixed in upstream's CVS
[09:27] <dholbach> lucas: oh nice
[09:27] <dholbach> lucas: thanks for the pointer
[09:27] <lucas> I think we can wait until another beta gets released
[09:28] <lucas> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330586
[09:28] <stratus> i'm still shocked with the boot speed up and ngc (the initng control util)
[09:28] <Ubugtu> gnome2 bug 330586 in general "Doesn't work if esd is enabled" [Major,Resolved: fixed] 
[09:28] <Kyral> InitNG?
[09:28] <dholbach> I'm very busy with today's gnome release, so I won't do it today.
[09:28] <Kyral> My boottime is fine lol
[09:28] <Kyral> 49 secs
[09:28] <stratus> Kyral: i'm sure it's don't use it in dapper, it's just for debian sid users.
[09:28] <dholbach> but if somebody prepares an update to the momentary package, I'll happily sponsor an upload
[09:28] <Kyral> stratus: hmm, I should try it on my laptop
[09:29] <stratus> Kyral: my sid machine (faster than my ibook) is booting faster than the laptop for the first time.
[09:29] <Kyral> It's in Main yes?
[09:29] <dholbach> yes
[09:29] <stratus> Kyral: you will see just udev populating stuff and after that X will appear like magic.
[09:29] <Kyral> good..I'm trying to stay FSF complient
[09:29] <stratus> heh
[09:29] <stratus> great
[09:30] <Kyral> Look on the Forums for the topic called "How Free Are You"
[09:32] <Amaranth> the FSF is worthless :P
[09:32] <Kyral> whats up in the new GNOME anyway?
[09:33] <Amaranth> i mean, wtf is up with the GPL3?
[09:34] <Kyral> Yah that is funky...I mean they HAD to throw something about DRM in it, but in doing so they made it GPLv2 incompatible
[09:34] <lucas> Kyral: your understanding of "incompatible" is wrong
[09:35] <Kyral> oh
[09:35] <lucas> compatible means that you can follow terms of both licenses at the same time
[09:35] <Kyral> I've been focused on schoolwork ;P
[09:36] <Amaranth> lucas: how can you follow 2 and 3 at the same time?
[09:36] <lucas> by using GPLv2 or later, for example.
[09:36] <lucas> but you can't import code under GPLv3 in a GPLv2 app
[09:36] <stratus> GPLv3 is evil
[09:36] <stratus> GPLv2 or later is just a notice, not part of the license
[09:44] <Amaranth> from the sound of it the GPL3 might not even be DFSG-free
[09:44] <Amaranth> which would be sad
[10:05] <lfittl> dholbach: ping
[10:05] <dholbach> lfittl: pong
[11:18] <Windkracht8> Hi all, no sure if this is the right place so please redirect me if I'm wrong. 'GOK' depends on 'at-spi' but it doesn't told me when I installed it today
[11:18] <Windkracht8> can someone correct this?
[11:18] <dholbach> Hm?
[11:19] <dholbach> Windkracht8: this is rather not the right place, but it's ok - what happened? I mean, what's the problem?
[11:22] <Windkracht8> I installed gok just now with synaptic and it didn't work, so I started to google, I found it needs 'at-spi-registryd', so I installed 'at-spi' and now it works.
[11:22] <dholbach> oh, thanks
[11:22] <dholbach> i'll fix it just now
[11:22] <Windkracht8> So my conclusion is: gok needs 'at-spi' so that should be marked in the respertory
[11:22] <Windkracht8> ok, thanks by
[11:23] <dholbach> What's your name?
[11:23] <Windkracht8> Bart Vullings
[11:23] <Windkracht8> why?
[11:23] <dholbach> I'll put your name in the changelog - thanks! :-)
[11:23] <Windkracht8> thanks
[11:24] <Windkracht8> I saw a post on the forum about this, I'll answer him
[11:24] <dholbach> That'll be fixed in Dapper.
[11:24] <dholbach>  gok (1.0.6-0ubuntu2) dapper; urgency=low
[11:24] <dholbach>  .
[11:24] <dholbach>    * debian/control.in:
[11:24] <dholbach>      - gok depends on at-spi - thanks Bart Vullings.
[11:25] <dholbach> cheers :)
[11:25] <dholbach> I'll be back later
[11:28] <ajmitch_> hi
[11:33] <Windkracht8> bye all
[11:45] <LaserJock> azeem: ping?
[11:45] <azeem> pong
[11:46] <LaserJock> azeem: I was able to commit to debichem, I just needed to wait a day for svn.debian.org to sync to alioth
[11:48] <azeem> ok
[11:50] <LaserJock> azeem: got a minute? or is it time for bed for you?
[11:51] <azeem> sure, I'm going to be up for a while
[11:56] <dolzzzon> fbond: ping