[12:08] <mornfall> bah what a sucky day
[12:08] <mornfall> --> sleep
[04:35] <freeflying-ibook> no OSD for fn+Fx
[04:36] <freeflying-ibook> no OSD for fn+Fx in dapper on ppc
[07:40] <viviersf> Riddell : PING !!!!!!!!!
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hehe, that's an eager ping viviersf 
[07:56] <viviersf> oh yeas
[07:56] <viviersf> i need docs\
[07:56] <viviersf> los of docs 
[07:56] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:56] <viviersf> and mr kde must help me here
[07:56] <Hobbsee> i see...
[07:56] <viviersf> "why is kde superioir to gnome"
[08:20] <mornfall> where's everyone
[08:20] <Hobbsee> asleep?
[08:20] <mornfall> bah
[08:20] <Hobbsee> pathetic, i know
[08:20] <Hobbsee> what were you after?
[08:21] <mornfall> nothing in particular... possibly status on adept upload
[08:22] <mornfall> but considering Riddell got around 2am to d/l it it's not very far
[08:23] <Hobbsee> ah great
[08:24] <Hobbsee> i got a new version of adept today in the repos, if that helps
[08:24] <mornfall> hmm, which one would that be?
[08:24] <mornfall> if it's what i gave him last night he's quick
[08:25] <mornfall> weee
[08:26] <mornfall> oooh, i'm probably not on the kati^Wsoyuz whitelist so i don't get mail
[08:26] <mornfall> hmm, no it's not it
[08:27] <mornfall> or is it
[08:27] <mornfall> no it's not
[08:27] <mornfall> feb 8
[08:29] <mornfall> it's in, it's just my mirror lagging
[08:29] <mornfall> \o/
[10:47] <mornfall> hmm, still everyone in limbo?
[10:49] <ubijtsa2> mornfall: how do you mean?
[10:50] <mornfall> just wondering if anyone woke up in the meantime :-)
[10:52] <sealne> well /me is trying to get X working again on his main machine after upgrading to dapper :(
[10:52] <mornfall> does launchpad support escalating bugs to say bugs.kde.org?
[10:52] <mornfall> and, what one needs to do to be able to close the bugs
[11:16] <Riddell> mornfall: you can't automatically send them to bugs.kde.org unfortunatly, but you can mark them to watch an entry on bugs.kde.org
[11:16] <Riddell> mornfall: click on the ubuntu notice, can you close the bug there?
[12:33] <viviersf> Riddell, is dekorator in your kde ?
[12:42] <mornfall> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, *kills launchpad*
[12:42] <mornfall> Sorry, Launchpad took too long to process your request.
[12:52] <Tm_T> =)
[01:07] <Riddell> viviersf: I've never heard of it
[01:08] <ubijtsa2> Riddell: it's a kwin extension iirc
[01:09] <Tm_T> dekorator is kwin style hack iirc
[01:10] <Tm_T> allow youcreate kwin styles easily, but it's uff so ugly code
[01:33] <viviersf> :(
[01:33] <viviersf> means there is no such package
[01:35] <ubijtsa2> viviersf: building it yourself is doable..
[01:35] <viviersf> i know that 
[01:35] <viviersf> wouldve been easier 
[01:35] <viviersf> thats all
[01:35] <ubijtsa2> da, I know :)
[01:55] <viviersf> more work for cmj
[02:28] <Tonio_> hi everyone.
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't have the rights to post on the kubuntu-devel ML....
[02:28] <hunger> Hi there.
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: works, sorry, Sender address problem.....
[02:35] <Riddell> that list was getting so much spam I had to set it to just reject anyone not on it
[02:41] <jpatrick> moins
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't the ML server using sbl filtering ? it is so light and efficient !
[02:46] <Riddell> no idea.  I really really wish mailman would obfuscate the addresses on its listinfo pages though
[02:47] <Tonio_> according to my tests, sbl filtering gives about 99% of spam rejected... and it doesn't use any resources, cause it is based on dns ;)
[02:47] <jpatrick> Tonio_: who do I ask for my @ubuntu.com address?
[02:48] <viviersf> lol Tonio_ 
[02:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it cost money?
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, it is a free service ;)
[02:51] <viviersf> Riddell, superkaramba package on dapper is broken
[02:51] <viviersf> :(
[02:54] <Riddell> viviersf: works for me, what's wrong with it?
[02:55] <viviersf> it doesnt want to install
[02:55] <viviersf> :)
[02:57] <Riddell> is there an error message?
[03:05] <jpatrick> ok what happened to the topic at #kubuntu ?
[03:06] <Riddell> good question, any idea what it was before?
[03:06] <jpatrick> I'm trying to get that from my logs
[03:08] <jpatrick> got it
[03:08] <ubijtsa2> [07:14:22]  *** Red_Herring sets the channel topic to "!".
[03:09] <jpatrick> he's not there anymore
[03:09] <ubijtsa2> but there was loads of experimenting with !blahblah stuff around that time
[03:09] <Mez> Riddell: er
[03:10] <ubijtsa2> apparently the topic was not protected..
[03:10] <Mez> KDE 3.5.1 looking good for backport
[03:10] <Riddell> Mez: hmm?
[03:10] <Riddell> Mez: oh, rocking!
[03:10] <jpatrick> ubijtsa2: they are for most of the channels... :/
[03:10] <Riddell> Mez: now, are backports actually happening with soyuz?
[03:11] <Mez> Riddell, no
[03:11] <Mez> lol
[03:11] <Riddell> ah, foo 
[03:11] <ubijtsa2> jpatrick: I gather that goes for #kubuntu as well now? :)
[03:11] <jpatrick> yes :)
[03:11] <Riddell> I don't like protected topics
[03:12] <ubijtsa2> Riddell: have a bot that allows it to be changed
[03:12] <ubijtsa2> arcnet's #linux has that iirc
[03:12] <Riddell> how would that stop abuse?
[03:13] <Riddell> 1 abuse in almost a year is not a bad rate really :)
[03:13] <jpatrick> they mostly abuse ubotu 
[03:13] <ubijtsa2> Riddell: 'cause the bot can have an ACL for who can change it :)
[03:14] <ubijtsa2> that ACL can be much more liberal than who gets chanop for example
[03:14] <JRe> is there any repository with the test version of Kopete ?
[03:23] <Riddell> JRe: http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete/
[03:23] <Riddell> use at own risk, not my packages
[03:23] <Riddell> blame problems on Tm_T :)
[03:23] <jpatrick> haha
[03:27] <jpatrick> Riddell: who do I ask for my member thingys? (can't find anything on it anywhere (except the cloak))
[03:28] <Riddell> what thingys?
[03:28] <jpatrick> email, etc
[03:29] <Riddell> you're already in https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers
[03:29] <jpatrick> yes
[03:29] <Riddell> e-mail is probably handled by elmo or znarl, probably an e-mail to rt is the correct thing to do
[03:29] <jpatrick> rt?
[03:30] <Riddell> rt@admin.canonical.com
[03:30] <Riddell> automated support ticket thingy
[03:30] <Riddell> but check with other motu first if that is the right thing
[03:32] <jpatrick> ok
[03:37] <sealne> bah todays live cd dosen't even get X working on my machine
[03:38] <JRe> Riddell: which backend you plan to use by default with dapper's Amarok  ?
[03:39] <JRe> Riddell: GStreamer ?
[03:39] <Riddell> xine
[03:39] <JRe> Riddell: did you notice that xine does not support kio-slaves ?
[03:39] <Riddell> yeah
[03:40] <JRe> Riddell: arg it's a nightmare
[03:40] <JRe> Riddell: every time you'll use media:/ or system:/ it's impossible to read
[03:41] <JRe> Riddell: will see with ervin if I can do something about that
[03:41] <Riddell> but it does work with gstreamer?
[03:41] <jpatrick> yes
[03:41] <JRe> Riddell: on #amarok they say that yes
[03:42] <JRe> Riddell: but I don't like gstreamer so much
[03:42] <Riddell> gstreamer isn't an option alas, no 0.10 plugin yet
[03:42] <JRe> k
[03:43] <JRe> Riddell: ok I will see if I can work with ervin and Amarok's developper to fix this before release of 1.4
[03:43] <Riddell> that would be really good if you did
[03:43] <Riddell> kaffeine needs it too :(
[03:43] <JRe> Riddell: yes right
[03:46] <poningru> woo
[03:46] <poningru> Riddell at lugradio live!!!
[03:50] <Riddell> again
[03:51] <jpatrick> Riddell: the amaroK 1.4beta1 announcement mentions a breezy repo but there is none
[03:52] <jpatrick> plus it say "See the Amarok 1.3.8 release page"
[03:52] <Riddell> doh
[03:52] <Riddell> you could never tell I just copied that page from the last amarok release :)
[03:52] <Riddell> fixed
[03:53] <raphink> Riddell: do you know if http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ is obsolete now?
[03:53] <jpatrick> no breezy pkgs....
[03:53] <Riddell> raphink: for new build logs yes
[03:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: sadly not
[04:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks =)
[04:05] <Riddell> hello enfact 
[04:06] <enfact> hey riddel
[04:06] <enfact> and everybody
[04:06] <JRe> l
[04:06] <JRe> o
[04:09] <raphink> Riddell: what do you think of klik?
[04:14] <enfact> been working on a lot of gui designs
[04:14] <enfact> http://www.kde-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=enfact
[04:16] <raphink> enfact: nice
[04:16] <Riddell> raphink: nice idea, not convinced the security precautions are good enough yet
[04:16] <raphink> Riddell: ok
[04:17] <raphink> Riddell: do you think it interesting to package it ?
[04:17] <raphink> ;)
[04:17] <raphink> Riddell: so that the protocol can be installed through a package
[04:19] <enfact> hmm
[04:20] <Riddell> raphink: I suppose that would be ok
[04:20] <raphink> ok
[04:20] <raphink> I'm not sure there's a debian package yet
[04:20] <Riddell> raphink: could you check with mvo first to ask if it's sane to do such a thing
[04:20] <raphink> I think it could be interesting
[04:20] <raphink> for all these people who always want to check the latest version of apps without having to use dev distro
[04:21] <raphink> mvo?
[04:22] <Riddell> raphink: mvo looks after the package management stuff in ubuntu
[04:22] <jpatrick> #ubuntu-devel
[04:22] <Riddell> he'd be more likely to know if there's any reason not to package it
[04:23] <Riddell> sebas: you have 4 students working on KDE?
[04:24] <sebas> Riddell: Claire has two working on high-tech marketing, and two will visit us on friday to talk about a code verification project that they've got to do.
[04:25] <sebas> We'll recommend them KDE, of course.
[04:25] <Tm_T> sebas: don't recomend, FORCE! ] ;=
[04:27] <sebas> FORCE?
[04:27] <jpatrick> --force=all
[04:28] <sebas> Oooh..... :)
[04:28] <sebas> Nevermind.
[04:28] <sebas> 'recommend' is with the help of a 'no grade'
[04:28] <Tm_T> jpatrick: --force=all --kill-resist
[04:28] <jpatrick> Tm_T: rofl....
[04:30] <jpatrick> Tm_T: --force=all --kill-resist --(de)bug=full
[04:30] <jpatrick> ok, I've finished
[04:33] <sebas> Thx. :)
[04:34] <Tm_T> muhah
[04:34] <Tm_T> jpatrick: aye aye sir!
[05:01] <allee> JRe: a 'media2path [-d]  URL  # -d: return path to device instead of path dir/file'  would be handy too ;)
[05:04] <jpatrick> allee: updated kmplayer in REVU
[05:08] <allee> jpatrick: will have a look later
[05:23] <raphink> Riddell: I talked with mvo and with a klik dev
[05:24] <raphink> Riddell: I'll add klik to the Kubuntu meeting agenda and I'll try to get the dev to the meeting so they can talk about it more :)
[05:25] <Riddell> raphink: what did mvo say?
[05:25] <raphink> Riddell: mvo is interested by the concept though, and wants to keep informed :)
[05:25] <raphink> the main point for me will be to try to get upstream release a proper tarball with the scripts
[05:25] <raphink> since dapper uses kernel 2.6.15 that has FUSE activated by default
[05:26] <raphink> there is no trick required in /etc/fstab to get klik work on dapper
[05:26] <raphink> so it's nicer
[05:26] <Riddell> hmm, interesting
[05:26] <raphink> so there's just a bunch of scripts and .desktop and .protocol to install in the right places
[05:27] <raphink> upstream say they have to modify the scripts to use FUSE though
[05:27] <raphink> and that was done in KANOTIX
[05:27] <raphink> that uses klik by default
[05:27] <Riddell> klik is a great idea, I'm just worried about the security issues
[05:28] <raphink> mhm
[05:28] <raphink> Riddell: well if you think about it, see how breezy users behave right now
[05:28] <raphink> they use backports all the time, or unofficial packages found on KDE-Apps
[05:28] <raphink> or even share tricks on how to install stuff the most horrible way possible
[05:29] <raphink> klik would still be much better than most of these options imo
[05:29] <raphink> furthermore, I think quite a lot of Kubuntu users have begun to use it
[05:29] <raphink> or even Ubuntu users
[05:29] <raphink> since it works on gnome, too
[05:30] <raphink> and have set these dirty /etc/fstab stuff 
[05:30] <raphink> to have it work properly 
[05:30] <Riddell> yep
[05:30] <raphink> I think providing it officially as a system-wide deb install would be cleaner than having people use it unofficially
[05:30] <raphink> at least we'll know how it's installed ;)
[05:31] <Riddell> backports are fine since that goes through various sane people, but stuff like easykubuntu could do anything to your system
[05:31] <raphink> yes
[05:32] <raphink> I think it is a fact that users want a stable system while being able to test new features all the time
[05:32] <raphink> and having them use chroots is not the best idea ;)
[05:38] <Mez> Riddell, it goes through various sane people? It goes through me and elmo usually
[05:38] <Mez> you're calling me and elmo sane?
[05:39] <Mez> raphink: FYI: new simias/libflaim/log4net packages uploaded to revu
[05:39] <Mez> soon to be followed by ifolder once I have the B-D's sorted
[05:39] <raphink> Mez: lol
[05:39] <Riddell> Mez: well it goes through whoever packaged it in the first place and the MOTU reviewers too
[05:39] <enfact> having an official easyubuntu would be great
[05:40] <enfact> "official"
[05:40] <Mez> Riddell, ah ...
[05:40] <Mez> lol
[05:40] <Mez> I thought you were calling me sane for a moment
[05:40] <Riddell> enfact: presumably that would just be a kubuntu-not-really-free meta-package that people could install
[05:41] <Riddell> Mez: well you can't tamper with the package so you don't figure in the equation :)
[05:41] <Mez> Riddell, I can :D if it's in universe
[05:42] <Riddell> yep, and first time we spot you doing anything malitious we kick you out
[05:45] <raphink> hehe
[05:45] <Riddell> hello tinin 
[05:46] <tinin> hello
[05:46] <tinin> new here
[05:46] <Riddell> tinin: going to become an elite kubuntu developer?
[05:46] <tinin> some day
[05:46] <jpatrick> Riddell: Am I one? :)
[05:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: certainly are
[05:46] <jpatrick> :o
[05:46] <jpatrick> I'm going to TechBoard
[05:47] <tinin> i only was trying to compile amarok
[05:47] <tinin> and i cant't , so i'll never be developer
[05:48] <jpatrick> Riddell: is there someone I can find expresso?
[05:48] <tinin> so here will i be able to talk to Mark Shuttelworth?
[05:48] <jpatrick> if he's around
[05:48] <tinin> XD
[05:49] <tinin> i'll blame on him personally!
[05:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: not yet, it doesn't do anything useful yet, I'll let you know as soon as it does :)
[05:49] <Riddell> tinin: he's touring asia at the moment and not on IRC much
[05:50] <jpatrick> okay then
[05:50] <tinin> thanx, i'm going to sleep a spanish siesta!
[05:51] <jpatrick> Riddell: some people upload packages universe, when they're not MOTU's - why is that so?
[05:51] <Riddell> jpatrick: how are you defining MOTU?
[05:51] <Riddell> only members of the ubuntu-dev team can upload
[05:51] <jpatrick> someone that can upload to universe / multiverse
[05:52] <Riddell> it's also possible for a MOTU to upload a package with someone else's name in the changelog though
[05:52] <jpatrick> i've seen freeflying upload by his name
[05:52] <Riddell> nah, that'll be me or someone else uploading with his name in the changelog
[05:52] <jpatrick> and some others (seth, ...)
[05:53] <jpatrick> ah right
[05:53] <Riddell> debuild -kfoo@bar.com  where foo@bar.com is the address to sign with
[05:53] <Riddell> I tend not to do that though since then the output from uploads often goes to /dev/null
[05:58] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer-base better use shlibs:Depends  # current  
[05:58] <jpatrick> good point
[05:58] <jpatrick> anything else? :)
[05:58] <allee> '|' stuff is Koos hackish way to the install in sid and sarge without source change
[05:59] <allee> jpatrick: did you search for -i copyright.  I doubt Koos is only copyright holder
[06:00] <allee> jpatrick: yeah and the gstreamer-0.8 dependency I mention in my e-mail is still there. Hmmm Riddel isn't either gst 0.10 required for dapper or even Xine
[06:00] <jpatrick> allee: FBFS with gst10
[06:01] <jpatrick> it tried pbuilding it with it
[06:01] <allee> jpatrick: I'm not surpriced otherwise pkg name would not have changed like s/0.8/0.10/ :)
[06:04] <jpatrick> allee: he's the only one with the copyright
[06:04] <allee> Depends: kmplayer-app (= ${Source-Version}).  Docu should only suggest the app and remove =  sourceversion is 
[06:06] <jpatrick> oppss, forgot that
[06:07] <allee> jpatrick: never trust upstream ;)   src/pref.*: * Copyright (C) 2003 Joonas Koivunen <rzei@mbnet.fi>
[06:08] <jpatrick> aha!
[06:09] <jpatrick> allee: maybe the patch should make it use xine by default?
[06:10] <allee> jpatrick: maybe if gstreamer 0.8 is a no-no for dapper then yes.  Let wait for 'last work' from Riddell :)
[06:10] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:11] <Riddell> no gstreamer 0.8 in main, universe is fine
[06:11] <jpatrick> kmplayer => universe
[06:12] <allee> Riddell: prefered default engine  xine or gst 0.8 ?
[06:12] <allee> + of for kmplayer
[06:17] <Riddell> allee: whichever works better :)
[06:17] <allee> jpatrick: I would like to suggest to add Koos at the top of debian/copyright.
[06:18] <allee> Riddell: heh, maybe jpatrick know what's 'better' ;)
[06:19] <jpatrick> allee: "This package was debianized by..."
[06:19] <allee> jpatrick: Koos and you worked on packaging
[06:19] <allee> jpatrick: yes.  See digikam/copyright for an example ;)
[06:20] <Tm_T> hmm, any of you know how I get fully functional libtunepimp in dapper ?
[06:20] <allee> jpatrick: afair Koos changelog entries were very short (understatement).  But I usually keep them too.  After all the pkging as a history
[06:21] <jpatrick> allee: yes sir
[06:22] <allee> jpatrick: I only suggested it! :)
[06:24] <jpatrick> should I change the maintainer line?
[06:24] <allee> jpatrick: no .la for debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkdeinit_kmplayer.so in kmplayer.install
[06:25] <jpatrick> okay....
[06:25] <allee> jpatrick:  does it work without .la?   I'm not sure if this is history now that kde fixed loading
[06:27] <jpatrick> there is a .la here
[06:28] <allee> kmplayer.install didn't list it.  Which pkg does .la own?
[06:28] <jpatrick> none, I think I have to add it
[06:29] <allee> jpatrick: so it works without?  then forget it
[06:29] <jpatrick> ok
[06:30] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer-base:  fix long description
[06:30] <jpatrick> done
[06:30] <allee> jpatrick: in general.  For info in Long descriptions  would not hurt
[06:33] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer meta pkg should not have versioned depends (and remove shlibs:Depends there)
[06:34] <allee> jpatrick: you like the kmplayer/kmplayer-app split?
[06:34] <allee> bbl
[06:34] <jpatrick> I merged the two
[06:46] <allee> jpatrick: ah, kmplayer long description and depends confused me :)
[06:51] <jpatrick> allee: uploading......
[06:51] <allee> jpatrick: wait ... to late ;)
[06:51] <jpatrick> opps
[06:52] <allee> jpatrick: copyright should be at least:  Copyright (C) 2002,2003,2004,2005.2006 by Koos Vriezen <koos ! vriezen ? xs4all ! nl>
[06:53] <allee> and add 'License:'  between the copright and the GPL license
[06:54] <allee> I would also mention in a sentence that it's GPL v2 only  (at least in copyright)  Maybe source code used v2only and v2+ mix.  Please check
[06:57] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1784 <- what I've done so far
[06:58] <jpatrick> brb
[06:59] <allee> jpatrick: 'k.  I'll have a look later.  User with wlan problems first ...
[07:41] <hunger> Ahhh.... fonts are nice again. Thanks for fixing this.
[07:43] <Riddell> :)  I hope the CKJ dudes can find a solution that doesn't break fonts for everyone else
[07:43] <Riddell> Huahua: do you have any notes from how you remastered the dapper CD?
[08:20] <jjesse> afternoon
[08:24] <jpatrick> evening jjesse 
[08:25] <jjesse> nothing like a 4 hour meeting to wreck productivity at work :(
[08:25] <Riddell> don't worry, tech board meeting in half an hour to keep you going :)
[08:25] <jjesse> wahoo :)
[08:25] <jjesse> Riddell: do you want a copy of the 2nd draft of the kubuntu when I'm done with it?
[08:27] <Riddell> the kubuntu what?
[08:27] <Riddell> oh, chapter
[08:27] <jjesse> chapter of the book sorry 
[08:27] <Riddell> sure
[08:27] <jjesse> typing problems today i guess
[08:28] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1786 ready
[08:29] <Riddell> hmm, this can be used as deciding factor of whether or not I give jpatrick my vote at tech board :)
[08:29] <jjesse> i vote against him :P
[08:29] <jjesse> just kidding of course
[08:29] <jpatrick> :)
[08:48] <Riddell> Huahua: about?  tech board in 15 mins
[08:51] <Riddell> jpatrick: where did you get the description of styleclock from in debian/control?
[08:51] <jpatrick> from it's kde-apps.org page
[08:52] <Riddell> fair enough then
[08:54] <Huahua> Good evening, Riddell.  The ring waked me.
[08:54] <Sime> Version 0.6.0 of Guidance is now in the website: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[08:54] <Riddell> Sime: you rock!
[08:55] <Sime> there are already some known bugs. But it is in principle feature complete.
[08:55] <Sime> We (I and sebas) intend to do regular and frequent bug fix releases.
[08:56] <Riddell> Huahua: they'll do the new packagers first which often takes a while
[08:56] <Sime> leading up to the dapper release.
[08:56] <Huahua> great
[08:57] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer-base should only Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}.  the toehr depends are a hack
[08:57] <jpatrick> ok
[08:58] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer-doc still has Depends: kmplayer-app (= ${Source-Version}).  remove it
[08:59] <jpatrick> added to todo
[09:00] <allee> jpatrick: Copyright (C) 2002,2003,2004,2005.2006 by Koos Vriezen <koos ! vriezen ? xs4all ! nl>
[09:00] <allee> jpatrick: not only 2005
[09:00] <jpatrick> I did 2002 - 2006
[09:01] <Riddell> "The licenses that apply might be from xicons.com or from Apple Computers Inc.
[09:01] <allee> oh, revu id?  Maybe I look at an old one, but copyright and changelog is definitly new.
[09:01] <Riddell> "
[09:01] <Riddell> that's never going to get past NEW
[09:01] <jpatrick> oh dear...
[09:01] <Sime> Riddell: (some) screenshots are also updated too on the site.
[09:02] <jpatrick> allee: copy here
[09:02] <Riddell> Sime: I'll package it up after the tech board meeting
[09:02] <allee> I rever to .diff in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1784
[09:02] <Sime> Riddell: will you be doing the packaging?
[09:03] <Riddell> Sime: would be nice to get it done sooner rather than later, heard from Fathi lately?
[09:03] <Sime> Riddell: I haven't heard anything from Fathi.
[09:04] <Sime> Riddell: It is important you/Fathi read the README file in 0.6.0.
[09:04] <Riddell> ok
[09:04] <Sime> Riddell: concerning displayconfig-hwprobe.py.
[09:04] <Sime> Riddell: our little tool that checks hardware at boot time.
[09:05] <Sime> Riddell: I've been using and testing it here. and it is crude but effective. ;)
[09:05] <Sime> Riddell: and it is *not* installed by the setup.py. 
[09:05] <Sime> Riddell: you'll have to do that in the debian/Rules (??)
[09:06] <Riddell> ok
[09:06] <Riddell> what does it do?
[09:07] <Sime> run dpkg-reconfigure if the gfx hardware has been changed.
[09:09] <Riddell> how does it know if the hardware has been changed?
[09:13] <Sime> by scanning the PCI bus.
[09:14] <Riddell> where does it store the result?
[09:15] <Sime> currently it dumps the result in /var/guidance-gfxhardware-snapshot, but is only becaues I don't know of a better place.
[09:15] <Sime> ideas?
[09:15] <ubijtsa> maybe /var/lib somewhere ? :
[09:15] <ubijtsa> )
[09:15] <jpatrick> Tonio_: just in time :)
[09:15] <Riddell> yes, probably /var/lib/guidance/guidance-gfxhardware-snapshot
[09:16] <ubijtsa> evening folks
[09:16] <Tonio_> yep, just, just, just
[09:16] <Sime> ok, fixed. Can I count on the dir /var/lib/guidance already existing?
[09:17] <Riddell> note in README that packagers should make sure it does
[09:17] <Sime> ok
[09:39] <allee> Tonio_: congratulation!
[09:39] <Tonio_> hehe nice !
[09:40] <jjesse> wow sure is tough to get membership there :)(
[09:46] <jjesse> question can't the KubuntuPackagingGuide be rolled into the PackagingGuide that the doc team is working on?
[09:47] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, it should be
[09:47] <jjesse> hmmm ok
[10:10] <jjesse> its worse then the spanish inquisition for jpatrick
[10:10] <jjesse> :)
[10:12] <jpatrick> :P
[10:22] <jpatrick> phew, that took some time :)
[10:22] <Riddell> my word yes
[10:22] <Riddell> well done jpatrick 
[10:22] <Riddell> hello jshadow 
[10:23] <jpatrick> thanks to you Riddell and everyone else
[10:24] <Riddell> but do be careful jpatrick, e.g. the styleclock package would get you stern words as it is with fuzzy copyright files
[10:24] <jpatrick> I don't plan to work on that until upstream clarifies
[10:25] <Riddell> jpatrick: I suspect he may not be able to otherwise he'd have already clarified it, I would just remove it from the .orig, it's just 1 theme of a few
[10:25] <Riddell> jpatrick: have you read debian-policy by the way?
[10:25] <jpatrick> I've looked though before many times
[10:25] <jpatrick> lintian problem checking
[10:25] <Riddell> groovy
[10:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you?
[10:26] <Riddell> I should probably read it myself again sometime
[10:27] <jshadow> hello
[10:27] <jpatrick> wow, member one day, dev the other
[10:28] <Riddell> watch out core-dev!
[10:28] <jpatrick> Riddell: should I note it's removal in changelog?
[10:28] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes
[10:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I haven't read the full debian policy, but partialy, I did.
[10:29] <Tonio_> I need to read it entirely in the next days, I'll have to now :)
[10:30] <jpatrick> Riddell: that'll take some time :)
[10:31] <allee> fwiw don't (re)read new-maintainers-guide when you find a reference, KubuntuPackagingGuide guide is better :)
[10:32] <jpatrick> allee: new maintainers guide is old (for example the debian/watch part)
[10:34] <allee> about sponsored REVU comments, sounds great.  Bye e-mail or pastebin URL here?
[10:35] <Riddell> Huahua: ping
[10:39] <jpatrick> allee: email is how raphink did it
[10:39] <allee> 'k
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell, I didn't said you "thanks"
[10:44] <Tonio_> I have to go (girlfriend at home for all the week ^^)
[10:44] <Tonio_> good night all
[10:45] <jjesse> night Tm_T
[10:45] <Riddell> night Tonio_, well done
[10:45] <jjesse> doh
[10:45] <jjesse> night Tonio_
[10:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: technically speaking I can upload now?
[10:53] <Riddell> jpatrick: once you've been added to the ubuntu-dev group I be
[10:53] <Riddell> I believe so
[10:53] <Riddell> if your gpg key is in the system
[10:54] <mornfall> \o/ hooray for my apparent inability to crash adept (after a bunch of fixes since alpha2)
[10:54] <Riddell> woo :)
[10:55] <mornfall> i did about dozen deinstalls, at least 2 updates, undo/redo, filtering, download in a single session and it terminated correctly
[10:55] <jpatrick> great, I'm off to bed now, been a very busy day :)
[10:55] <mornfall> s/deinst/(de)inst/
[10:55] <mornfall> jpatrick: enjoy :)
[10:55] <jpatrick> mornfall: thanks :)
[11:00] <allee> Anyone care to review codeine? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1544
[11:08] <allee> oh, at least codeine tarball needs fix ...
[11:14] <mornfall> well, there's a possible crash when a package visited by the browser disappears in an update
[11:14] <mornfall> but i will want to fix that anyway :)
[11:30] <ubijtsa> will Psi be updated to 0.10 in Dapper?
[11:49] <mornfall> i hate power outages in middle of debugging session
[11:50] <mornfall> i can't even recall what i was doing
[11:50] <mornfall> apart from the fact my emacs disappeared
[11:50] <mornfall> and ligt went out for a bit
[11:52] <mornfall> aaaaaaaaah
[11:53] <mornfall> not again :(
[11:53] <mornfall> lights blinking
[11:53] <mornfall> i hate it