[12:04] <ragna> i cannot access, an USB HDD i dont know what to do can anyone help me?
[12:05] <matt24> can someone help me install E: Couldn't find package module-assistant
[12:05] <Donvinzk> works, thanks everybody !
[12:06] <Donvinzk> I try to convert my mother to linux and ubuntu is useful for this...
[12:07] <Uno> i accidnetally screwed up my grub
[12:07] <Uno> i can't go to kubuntu now
[12:07] <dcwckd> ragna: wahts wrong?
[12:08] <dcwckd> Uno: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:08] <Kubuntu> k
[12:08] <dandielionous> I finally figured out how to fix my hwclock, system clock and taskbar clock so they all keep local time even after I reboot.
[12:08] <dandielionous> hehehehehe
[12:08] <dcwckd> you need to boot to the breezy disc in rescue mode, and do a grub-install
[12:08] <Psi-Jack> What's a good embedable media plugin for mozilla? The kaffeine plugin just loads up kaffeine externally.
[12:08] <dcwckd> mplayer?
[12:08] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, mplayer's embeds into the browser?
[12:09] <dcwckd> lasy I checked
[12:09] <dcwckd> yes
[12:09] <Psi-Jack> Are there any others?
[12:09] <Kubuntu> hmm
[12:09] <Uno> fd
[12:10] <tripplethrendo> can anyone tell me what controls the back button on my mouse?  it does something weird other than back
[12:10] <dandielionous> drivers control the mouse
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I don't see an mplayer plugin package. Heh
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> Nevermind.
[12:10] <matt24> can someone help me out with my sti driver install
[12:10] <matt24> I have everything besides 3d
[12:11] <bimberi> tripplethrendo: no idea, but there might be some clues here ...
[12:11] <matt24> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[12:11] <matt24> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[12:11] <matt24> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON X800 PRO Generic
[12:11] <matt24> OpenGL version string: 1.3.5272 (X4.3.0-8.16.20)
[12:11] <bimberi> !mousebuttons
[12:11] <ubotu> I guess mousebuttons is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto
[12:11] <ragna> ubotu: tell matt24 about ati
[12:11] <tripplethrendo> Thank you Bimberi thats a good start :)
[12:11] <bimberi> tripplethrendo: yw :)
[12:12] <matt24> I can't get the installer to open
[12:12] <matt24> whats the command
[12:12] <Kero_1116> hmm
[12:12] <Kero_1116> doesn't work
[12:13] <dcwckd> hold on, is usplash for GRUB or actual bootup process
[12:13] <dcwckd> or is that upower/
[12:13] <dcwckd> ?
[12:14] <Kero_1116> what?
[12:14] <Kero_1116> what's the difference
[12:14] <dcwckd> Im confused
[12:14] <dcwckd> what does usplash actually skin
[12:17] <thompa> im just wondering why ubuntu/kubuntu does not automatically setup other partitions and usb drives (ipod) automatically?
[12:17] <Kero_1116> what's the command to save in vi
[12:17] <thompa> :qw
[12:17] <thompa> ...kero
[12:18] <Kero_1116> thx
[12:18] <Kero_1116> what's the command to update the grub bootmenu?
[12:19] <Psi-Jack> I'm wondering the same thing, for the grub splash. :)
[12:19] <Kero_1116> i forgot the command
[12:19] <Psi-Jack> update-grub maybe?
[12:20] <tripplethrendo> dont u just edit the grub file?
[12:20] <thompa> !ntfs
[12:20] <ubotu> hmm... ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:20] <tripplethrendo> ^that script doesnt work quite right by the way
[12:20] <tripplethrendo> but i managed to fix it manually
[12:22] <thompa> i hope dapper is smart enough to mount partitions
[12:22] <Kero_1116> lol
[12:23] <thompa> maybe its a liability issue
[12:23] <thompa> even slackware is easier to ass windows partition
[12:23] <Kero_1116> what's the command to restart computer
[12:23] <thompa> reboot
[12:24] <UFO> if you do manual partition in install you got everything in media directory automatic... you need to do only the linux partitions and everything else is done for you
[12:24] <UFO> one for root and one swap
[12:24] <matt24> how do I run an install in super user
[12:24] <matt24> what is that
[12:25] <thompa> UFO: i did manula partition, i want to access ntfs and my ipod as a usb hard drive
[12:25] <Psi-Jack> Okay, how do I list files a package owns?
[12:25] <UFO> so arent the ntfs in media directory?
[12:25] <thompa> let me look
[12:26] <thompa> no i got 3 cdroms though
[12:27] <UFO> thompa: hmm... maybe it came from other installation... because i had suse before and used those partitions
[12:27] <thompa> its not in fstab is the first problem
[12:27] <thompa> UFO:  its the only problem i have with kubuntu
[12:28] <thompa> most other distros will give me /hda1 ntfs and even automount ipod
[12:28] <thompa> i like kubuntu cause its tidy though
[12:28] <UFO> thompa: /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[12:28] <thompa> ok ill try that
[12:29] <UFO> thompa: change the hda1 thing to your partitions... it may be something else
[12:29] <thompa> the forum has about 12 different ways to do add ntfs some pages long
[12:29] <thompa> mines hda1
[12:29] <thompa> thanks
[12:30] <thompa> UFO:  can i add the ipod the same way?
[12:30] <thompa> i want it only as a hard drive
[12:30] <UFO> how do you connect the ipod... usb?
[12:30] <NetGeek> I'm having some crashes with KDE 3.5.1, mostly in Kcontrol and konquer
[12:31] <thompa> yes usb
[12:31] <UFO> thompa: i really havent been using ipod but i could try with my digikamera if you need some information of usb drives
[12:31] <thompa> thats ok, im going to add a line for usb
[12:31] <thompa> i think that will work
[12:32] <matt24> can someone help me run the ati config
[12:32] <thompa> i just need to create a directory in media or something for it
[12:32] <thompa> thanks
[12:32] <UFO> thompa: there is also nice tool in system-settings--->disk-filesystems for mounting and so on...
[12:34] <thompa> cool ill take a look,
[12:34] <thompa> sudo mount -a gives me /media/hda1 does not exist
[12:35] <thompa> im going to reboot maybe
[12:35] <UFO> no you dont only reason for reboot is kernel change
[12:35] <UFO> oops... :)
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> How do I get it so when I open a File Manager konq profile, it doesn't load it as a tab of my Web Browser profile?
[12:40] <matt24> hello, whats the command for testing 3d
[12:41] <Psi-Jack> glxgears?
[12:41] <matt24> whys it so slow
[12:41] <Psi-Jack> Because you don't have X setup to use the accelerated driver you need?
[12:42] <Psi-Jack> Is it slow and jerky, or just decent and smooth?
[12:42] <matt24> decent and smooth
[12:42] <nikita> hey =) I ran "apt-get upgrade" and now there are no keyboard layouts in the Control Centre. O_o how can i get them back? i need my cyrillic layout :D
[12:44] <thompa> UFO: i used the automount script,  wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[12:44] <thompa> worked great
[12:45] <UFO> ok. good
[12:45] <thompa> now i need to do usb devices and im all go
[12:46] <thompa> !usb
[12:46] <ubotu> thompa: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:46] <nikita> !layout
[12:46] <ubotu> nikita: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:46] <Psi-Jack> If I load up Konqueror for web browsing, and then load up a konqueror file browsing, the file browsing one adds itself as a new tab to the web browser. However, if I load up a file browser, THEN a web browser, they remain seperated.   How do I fix it so that this does not happen for the first part? I want them seperate.
[12:49] <nikita> does anybody know at least is there any utilites that can help to configure the keyboard, fix the problem?
[12:52] <UFO> nikita: look in system-settings--->regional...
[12:53] <Psi-Jack> Grrr.
[12:53] <Psi-Jack> Where the crap is the kmenueditor? :/
[12:53] <Psi-Jack> In t he kmenu, that is. heh
[12:53] <nikita> UFO: that's the problem. i go in there i open this page where the list of layouts should be and there is nothinh in there and that happened right after the upgrade
[12:53] <nikita> UFO: =(
[12:56] <Psi-Jack> *sighs*
[12:57] <Psi-Jack> Why does Kubuntu hack up KDE so much that it makes some things just annoying as heck?
[12:57] <UFO> Psi-Jack: linux for humans
[12:57] <Psi-Jack> This is IN-humane!
[12:58] <UFO> Psi-Jack: yes im thinking like that too...
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> Ripping out the Konqueror (File Manager), KMenuEdit, and such, is /not/ very nice.
[12:59] <UFO> the kmenu... it can be started on console
[12:59] <zblach|away|> Psi-Jack, what the heck Kubuntu are you running?
[12:59] <zblach> what /msg NickServ IDENTIFY zakreeb
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> zblach: Breezy, of course.
[01:00] <zblach> Breezy, right?
[01:00] <zblach> to avoid weirdness like that, I just ran a server install, and then sudo apt-got kubuntu-desktop
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> Heh, really?
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> That's an odd way to get around it. heh
[01:01] <zblach> yeah. worked wonders
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> May have to do that if/when I put Kubuntu on my main HDD. I'm just on my spare, right now, testing things out.
[01:02] <zblach> ok, another thing to keep in mind is to add the KDE 3.5.1 repos
[01:02] <zblach> moved straight to that from command line
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> So, you actually have the File Manager, and Menu Editor both in your KMenu, where they're supposed to be?
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Right.
[01:03] <zblach> yeah, i guess
[01:03] <zblach> i just katapault them
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> I'll be putting my apt sources.list onto my usb drive. ;)
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Would you check? :p
[01:03] <zblach> ?
[01:03] <zblach> sure
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Not under Actions, on the base KMenu.
[01:04] <zblach> yeah, so, Konquerer, KMenu, ...
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> But under System,  or Utilities, you should, by standard KDE, have a "Konqeror (File Manager)" or similar entry.
[01:04] <UFO> Psi-Jack: type kmenuedit in console and do your menu
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> UFO: D'uh.
[01:04] <zblach> yup. all there
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> Well, mutha fracker!
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> By Kubuntu taking those things out the WAY they did, they make it so that one can't bind a hotkey to them. Like I wanted to make a WIN+E shortcut to load Konquerer's File Manager.
[01:06] <zblach> i can't help with hotkeys. i borked my keyboard entirely
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> I know how to do hotkeys.
[01:06] <thompa> !kernel
[01:06] <zblach> know how to re-enable Ctrl+Alt+F# for terminals?
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> It's just I'm pissed that simple things, Kubuntu devs don't think about that are important.
[01:06] <zblach> !kernel
[01:07] <jackel> Hey i have a question. If i install an optimized 64bit kernel with a 32bit kubuntu distro will it work?
[01:07] <UFO> thompa: stil problems with ipod
[01:07] <thompa> Psi_jack: i agree
[01:07] <thompa> whats the latest kernel version
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> I think I'll file a bug report to kubuntu about it. I'm P.O'd enough about it to do so.
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> 2.6.15, I think.
[01:07] <thompa> im running 2.6.12-10
[01:07] <UFO> thompa: look in kernel.org
[01:07] <thompa> i mean for kubuntu updates
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> 2.6.12-10
[01:07] <thompa> ok thanks
[01:08] <UFO> thompa: there is help for ipod http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-use-an-ipod-with-ubuntu
[01:08] <thompa> UFO: no i cant seem to get my ipod
[01:08] <thompa> ok thanks
[01:08] <jackel>  Hey i have a question. If i install an optimized 64bit kernel with a 32bit kubuntu distro will it work?
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> I wish there was a Kubuntu dev here, right now, so I could reem them. :)
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> jackel: Do you have a 64bit CPU?
[01:08] <jackel> yes
[01:08] <thompa> its not really ipod, its mounting external usb hard drive as sda1
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.. Should work, then.
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> You just wouldn't get muhc out of it.
[01:09] <thompa> i dont care about the music crap
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> jackel: AMD64, yes?
[01:09] <jackel> yeah
[01:09] <jackel> but the distro im using is 32bit
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> Okay, yeah, you'd be fine, Just wouldn't do much until you got 64bit-compiled apps. :)
[01:10] <jackel> it's better than the regular k7 kernels right?
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, truely.
[01:10] <UFO> thompa: to mount it
[01:10] <thompa> UFO: I should be able to just add ipod as a fat32
[01:10] <UFO> thompa: /dev/sdc2 /media/iPod vfat nosuid,noauto,nodev,rw,umask=077,gid=1000,uid=1000,user,defaults,noatime,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[01:10] <jackel> ok ty
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> That's the nice thing about AMD64. :)
[01:10] <thompa> ok let me try that
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> Real 32-bit native support.
[01:10] <thompa> my ipod has my /home directory backed up on it, is why i need it
[01:11] <jackel> i'm trying to install cedega so im just following the wiki :P
[01:11] <UFO> thompa: hmm..... pretty smart
[01:11] <thompa> UFO: i thought it should be sda1
[01:11] <coolio10> anyone know how i can get higher resolution?
[01:12] <thompa> coolio10: what do you have now?
[01:12] <coolio10> right now im using vesa because choosing nvidia brakes xserver
[01:12] <UFO> !nvidia
[01:12] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[01:12] <thompa> coolio10: vesa i think is only good to 24
[01:12] <thompa> coolio10: did you install nvidia-glx?
[01:12] <coolio10> i have 1024X768
[01:12] <thompa> oh that
[01:13] <thompa> i just add it to xorg.conf
[01:13] <slow-motion> n8
[01:13] <coolio10> wheres that lcoated?
[01:13] <thompa> go to /etc/X11
[01:13] <thompa> edit xorg.conf
[01:14] <thompa> change the area where is 1024x768 to your monitor characteristics
[01:14] <Nomad411> to give the group owber Write on a set of subfolders and files, don,t I just do a chmod -R +gw *
[01:14] <Nomad411> group owner
[01:14] <thompa> i use vim, but you can use gedit or whatever
[01:14] <zblach> kedit
[01:14] <thompa> or kedit
[01:15] <Psi-Jack> g? Remove all g from your memory banks. It's all k. :)
[01:15] <UFO> thompa: you could look at /etc/mtab for your ipod i think...
[01:15] <thompa> coolio10: also right click on kde desktop, choose configure desktop. display, see what that says
[01:16] <matt24> Hello, I think I have my sti drivers installed
[01:16] <matt24> can someone help me for a min
[01:16] <matt24> please
[01:16] <coolio10> it lists all the reses possible and still only lists 3
[01:16] <thompa> UFO: i know its connected cause its charging, ill try the fstab line first, thanks
[01:16] <Nomad411> arghh.. got it
[01:17] <UFO> thompa: the mtab could tell the right device name
[01:17] <thompa> coolio10: what are your monitor's optimum resolutions
[01:17] <thompa> coolio10: you need to add it to xorg.conf
[01:19] <thompa> coolio10: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
[01:19] <thompa> could that be it?
[01:20] <thompa> no that just tells me usb is ready
[01:20] <matt24> just finsihed installing the ati drivers. but I am getting mesa drivers when I do fglrxinfo
[01:20] <matt24> what could be the problem
[01:33] <lazybug> how do i control udp in firestarter?
[01:46] <_douglas> On my dell laptop, in the bios I have lcd monitor expansion enabled but when I play a game like ut2004 or change resolutions in linux, it doesn't expand to fit the monitor?
[01:47] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek_zzz: ping
[01:47] <_douglas> ???
[01:53] <dcwckd> hey guys
[01:53] <dcwckd> anyone around?
[01:53] <UFO> yes
[01:53] <dcwckd> fixed my problem
[01:54] <brydenn> yes
[01:54] <dcwckd> ok, xine engine will register w32 codecs, but gstreamer wont
[01:54] <dcwckd> any idea why
[01:55] <brydenn> anyone here have experience using KBFX?
[01:55] <brydenn> i need some help with that fuckn app
[01:55] <thoreauputic> different plugin architecture for gstreamer I think
[01:55] <Hobbsee> brydenn: language
[01:55] <brydenn> yah yah Hobbsee
[01:56] <brydenn> lol
[01:56] <brydenn> stop being a wuss lmfao
[01:56] <brydenn> ;)
[01:56] <brydenn> ya know, i wonder something....
[01:56] <brydenn> why does an IRC channel have to be so G rated
[01:56] <brydenn> i mean... how many 17 and unders actually use IRC?
[01:56] <brydenn> lmfao
[01:57] <Hobbsee> well, apart from the fact that i am one, and know many others - often people's language is offensive to people in different cultures
[01:57] <brydenn> its just launguage anyway
[01:57] <Hobbsee> and that has a tendancy to start arguments, and whatever
[01:57] <brydenn> well i'm not using racially derogitory language Hobbsee
[01:57] <brydenn> never would
[01:57] <Hobbsee> brydenn: case in point - what country are you in?
[01:57] <brydenn> USA
[01:57] <brydenn> :)
[01:57] <brydenn> Oregon to be exact
[01:58] <brydenn> west coast of the USA
[01:58] <brydenn> we're a little more libral over here
[01:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, well there's a phrase in the aussie language, i've forgotten what it is right now, and it's fine here - no one even thinks of it as offensive.  Yet if you say the same phrase in the UK, even completely accidently, and they get so offended
[01:59] <brydenn> lol really
[01:59] <brydenn> i wonder what it is
[01:59] <Hobbsee> *shrugs* - it's just common courtesy
[01:59] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i've unfortunately forgotten it right this second
[01:59] <brodel> has anyone here installed kbfx?
[01:59] <brydenn> i have brodel
[01:59] <Hobbsee> brydenn's having fun trying
[01:59] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:59] <brydenn> hey now Hobbsee
[01:59] <brydenn> i installed it
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:59] <brodel> yeah.. well I'm not having fun, but I'm trying :(
[01:59] <brydenn> getting it to work like its supposed to is another story
[02:00] <brydenn> yah brodel
[02:00] <brydenn> its a pain in the @$$
[02:00] <brydenn> i got it to work, kind of
[02:00] <brodel> anyway, I got this.. "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[02:00] <brydenn> like i got it to replace the KDE button
[02:00] <brodel> kakashi sensei is back :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[02:01] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[02:01] <Hobbsee> brodel: ^
[02:01] <brodel> roger that. thanks
[02:01] <brydenn> yah go download your dependancies
[02:01] <brydenn> :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:01] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: ahh yes, hi just for a bit..
[02:02] <brydenn> Hobbsee and beefsprocket have always been my friendly helpers when i've ran into kubuntu trouble
[02:02] <brydenn> ok guys, girl is here ;)
[02:02] <brydenn> bbl
[02:02] <brydenn> hehe
[02:04] <lazybug> how do i control udp in firestarter?
[02:04] <freeflying-ibook> how to play mp3 file on kubuntu-ppc
[02:04] <hatake_kakashi> anyone ever migrated the debian packages from one to another without having to install kubuntu and download the files all over again?
[02:04] <brodel> yeah.. I always see Hobbsee in here.
[02:04] <hatake_kakashi> freeflying-ibook: you need akode-mpeg
[02:04] <hatake_kakashi> !mp3
[02:04] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[02:04] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:04] <Hobbsee> brodel: hehe
[02:04] <Hobbsee> my holidays end soon, then i'll be at uni
[02:05] <freeflying-ibook> hatake_kakashi: why need akode-mpeg ?
[02:05] <hatake_kakashi> freeflying-ibook: check what ubotu said :)
[02:05] <brodel> Hobbsee, LjL, and nalioth are normally on when I am here.
[02:05] <mr-russ> hatake_kakashi: what are you trying to say about debain?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hehe - nalioth stays on the entire time that i'm here though
[02:05] <brodel> does kubuntu run on the new intel basked ibooks or imacs?
[02:06] <brodel> verizon sucks.. I told them my DSL was slow and I was running linux they said they don't support it and I'd have to get on a windows PC before they would help.
[02:06] <__mikem> try running a live cd in it to find out brodel
[02:07] <hatake_kakashi> mr-russ: kubuntu uses deb packages.. ok I'm trying to make this short.. I need to be able to backup any relevant updates, etc that I have had done and that I want it to work when I reinstall without having to download all those packages that I have previously downloaded again
[02:07] <brodel> __mikem: I don't have one.. but I've been thinking about it. I want one that runs XP, OSX and kubuntu
[02:07] <thoreauputic> brodel: as far as I know no linux runs on macintel yet
[02:07] <Hobbsee> *nalioth stays here all the time, i mean
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: i think you end up backing up all of / and copying it over somehow
[02:07] <__mikem> IF you want to use kubuntu, I recomend installing ubuntu first then installing the kubuntu-desktop package
[02:08] <Hobbsee> __mikem: why?
[02:08] <__mikem> because the kubuntu cd itself doesn't come with a lot of software preloaded
[02:08] <__mikem> ubuntu does
[02:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, not all the gnome stuff - but it still comes with a lot of the kde stuff
[02:08] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: well, that isn't a good idea, I would be happy if I can backup all those packages that I have got because that way I don't need to re-download all over again
[02:08] <Hobbsee> oh....
[02:08] <__mikem> Doesn't have any games on it
[02:08] <Hobbsee> you want *that*
[02:08] <__mikem> you have to get those manually
[02:08] <Hobbsee> __mikem: yeah, that always annoyed me - install kdegames
[02:09] <__mikem> I did
[02:09] <__mikem> but it should be preloaded
[02:09] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I have troubles with ubuntu, Gnome does not support my usb keyboard/mouse well.. I tried it on the hoary and the breezy (unstable) version
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: you want the files in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:09] <Hobbsee> __mikem: but then so should everything, and the system just becomes all bloated like mandriva
[02:09] <__mikem> ubuntu lacks usb support, but I think they are planing to work with that
[02:09] <brodel> oh bah.. now I have another error :( "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[02:09] <__mikem> hobbsee good point
[02:09] <brodel> lacks usb support?
[02:10] <__mikem> but they could also atleast preconfigure bintools and gcc for you
[02:10] <brodel> I have usb things..
[02:10] <Hobbsee> brodel: install kde-devel
[02:10] <brodel> I thought I already installed that.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> __mikem: why - most people dont compile?  besides, once you get one bit of devel stuff, you end up needing more and more
[02:10] <__mikem> I learned that the hard way with my laptop
[02:10] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: yeah last time I copied all those files and the apt-get fails to read from that place first.. I was later told in #debian that there is an index file. I also checked that it was on the parent directory of that. My question is, if I copy all those files plus the indexes, should I be set? or do I have to get something else? I don't want to download all those packages again or mess with dpkg to make sure that it works
[02:11] <__mikem> its a mess right now
[02:11] <brodel> nevermind.. no way I installed that massive package
[02:11] <Hobbsee> brodel: check it - otherwise you'll have to specify where it is
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:11] <brodel> I still don't get linux yet.. you gotta install 80 things to have one thing you want.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[02:11] <__mikem> Thats the one complaint my brother has about linux and he fancies himself a linux guru
[02:12] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I have tried ubuntu and I definetly like the somewhat meaner UI (somewhat faster) however, I would be happy if the USB products are supported because the mobo I have is sh*t. PS/2 ports are fscked
[02:12] <Hobbsee> brodel: well, use apt-cache show packagename, and get the names of the packages that you want inside
[02:12] <__mikem> he could easily be one of those guys that sells linux teck support
[02:12] <UFO> brodel: you got allready 1000 things with windows you dont want and cant get rid of it
[02:12] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: it has many dependencies, they are all individual little packages
[02:12] <brodel> I wish I was good with linux.. but I don't see how you guys just know what one thing means.. like I say here's the error and you tell me to install this
[02:12] <__mikem> hatake I believe the nice ubuntu developers should have that worked out by the next release
[02:12] <__mikem> thats what I heard on the message boards
[02:13] <brodel> yeah, but if windows needs something it's in the package :)
[02:13] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: its all trial and error + reading some of the debug info and/or checking with support :)
[02:13] <brodel> oh well. I want to get away from windows
[02:13] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: cool, sounds good
[02:13] <brodel> people at work think I'm nuts
[02:13] <thoreauputic> brodel: use the package manager, LUke!
[02:13] <__mikem> I had a problem with a webgear wireless addapter which is STILL UNSUPPORTED by linux
[02:13] <brodel> LUke?
[02:13] <__mikem> "net gear" rather
[02:13] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: nope, you're just unique :) I'm the only one linux user in my shared accomodation (amonst 6 other people who run linux)
[02:13] <thoreauputic> brodel: as in "Use the force"
[02:14] <brodel> I just do sudo aptitude install *whateverpeopleinkubuntusay*
[02:14] <Hobbsee> __mikem: not even with ndiswrapper?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:14] <__mikem> I didn't try that, it looked to iffy for my liking
[02:14] <Hobbsee> __mikem: what model's the wireless adapter?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> i just set up a netgear wg511 v2 card
[02:15] <brodel> kakashi, yeah.. it kind of sucks though. I like having someone to learn with like I did when I first got into PCs.
[02:15] <__mikem> I don't know I don't have it in front of me right now, I am running a live cd on my laptop
[02:15] <__mikem> desktop rather
[02:15] <Hobbsee> __mikem: if you want some help with it, i'll happily help you - ndiswrapper is actually a *lot* easier than it sound
[02:15] <brodel> Now I'm all alone as a linux user. No one at work will touch it.. my friends who are techies are scared of it.. :(
[02:15] <UFO> brodel: type in console apt-get install libqt3-headers
[02:15] <__mikem> Not necessary right now
[02:15] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: lemme give you one piece of important advice. When you get desparate for certain files to work, etc. Do not rely constantly on having universe/multiverse enabled just for you to do your requirements. I have done that not long ago and now I end up having to reinstall a whole bunch of things again because the WM/DE fails to work
[02:15] <brodel> it's still doing what Hobbsee told me to do..
[02:16] <Hobbsee> libqt3 headers will be in kde-devel
[02:16] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: we all have to have somewhere to start :) at least you made your move away from the usual pack
[02:16] <Hobbsee> brodel: i know where you come from - dad was in here this morning swearing at me because i run linux
[02:16] <brodel> I have no idea what that means kakashi.. I know I have those repos enabled.. but no idea why that's bad.
[02:16] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: eh, so am I, I need to find out a way to backup all my previous download to prevent me from doing it all over again
[02:17] <__mikem> um, if you are connected to a lan, just drop all your files off on the server
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: did you ever run non-official repos?
[02:17] <__mikem> thats what I do
[02:17] <brodel> my boss has pretty much told me that they'll never be a reason for me to learn linux at least not while working there.. that discouraged me a bit.
[02:18] <UFO> Hobbsee: yes but you really dont need that for compiling some software for your desktop... thats development ide
[02:18] <ragna> !avi
[02:18] <ubotu> I heard avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:18] <brodel> ok that's done.. let me retry this.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> UFO: i'm of the opinion of "if you're into compiling things, you may as well get a whole heap of the devel packages in one hit, as there are plenty that you have to get singly, so you only get as you need them
[02:19] <__mikem> A bit of a change in subject but I would like someones take on this. I am a big kde fan, I think its great that a product that has such a heavy focus on nice appearance still runs well also
[02:19] <brodel> woot.. configure finished
[02:19] <Hobbsee> brodel: yay!
[02:19] <__mikem> One thing I would say though is, the way the kubuntu desktop packages are configured makes it extremely hard if nt imposible to customize it.
[02:19] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: each little package has a dependency for another. If you get some files that belongs to Gnome side of things, apt-get may also get other Gnome dependencies. When you keep working towards it, you will soon realise that you have a whole bunch of files that came from universe/multiverse depos and that your system build is completely odd. I was trying to get mplayer to work from source and to get all the support that it has from kubuntu
[02:20] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: nope, they are all kubuntu packages, however I just have universe/multiverse enabled to get various things to work. I realised that I kinda made another mistake yet again
[02:20] <UFO> Hobbsee: actually im doing exactly same... but most of people doesnt need all the things come when installs kde-devel
[02:20] <Hobbsee> __mikem: there's a lot of work being done on the configuration of kubuntu - i agree, it's horrible now.
[02:21] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: the UI look and feel?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i'm not doing that work, so i cant tell you exactly, but after your thursday you can read a transcript of a meeting that will say what's being done to be changed
[02:21] <brodel> I didn't like ubuntu later on I think I realized I just didn't care for gnome.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> and people will vote on what should be changed, and what shouldnt
[02:21] <__mikem> Oh, the look and feel is great (as always with kde) its just the customization and lack of control features
[02:21] <brodel> because I ran kubuntu and that's all I want to run.
[02:22] <prospero2006> Do I have to restart X to make file associations kick in. --mp3 defaults to audacity
[02:22] <FunnyLookinHat> !codecs
[02:22] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[02:22] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: heh, its small little things that you want to get to work and that it is not part of the main packages. That's where things may get iffy
[02:22] <FunnyLookinHat> !easysource
[02:22] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:22] <__mikem> I am not a big gnome fan either, but I must say ubuntu really does gnome justice and I am sort of warming up to it, all though kde is still better
[02:23] <__mikem> the only real thing I have about kde in general is that it is still reminicent of windows
[02:23] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: ahh ok, I thought you cannot customise those UI look and feel easily. I was about to suggest kpersonalizer but that may mess around with settings that you don't want to see
[02:23] <prospero2006> !easysource
[02:23] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:23] <prospero2006> !help
[02:24] <__mikem> !bot
[02:24] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> dapper mirrors are so slow today....argh!
[02:24] <__mikem> Two words hob, bit torrent
[02:24] <brodel> one day I hope I understand better what it is I am doing.. I mean any idiot can follow a tutorial.. :( run this.. run that.. yeah but wtf am I doing?
[02:24] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: yeah I'm somewhat a fan of kde but I mean when you get to a certain stage, kde can get somewhat slow. There was this process called 'gam-server' which somewhat bogged various things down
[02:24] <brodel> I hate bein a noob.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> __mikem: this is the standard updates - not downloading a daily cd :P
[02:25] <brodel> I feel like my mom when I tell her to go to the desktop and she tells me she doesn't have a desktop.
[02:25] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: heh, everyone has to start somewhere
[02:25] <__mikem> o
[02:25] <Hobbsee> brodel: you learn it lol - check out !cli for some basic stuff
[02:26] <__mikem> hatake_kakashi kde and gnome are aimed at two totally different audiances. GNOME is for power users who don't need a lot of automation to get their computer to work, KDE is for people who like things done for them and think there should be a tool for everything
[02:26] <__mikem> I sort of fall inbetween these two definite classifications so some times when I am using my laptop I will load kde, and other times I will use gnome (I have both installed) its just how I feel that day
[02:27] <brodel> aww man.. I just got a bunch of errors.. no idea what it's talkin about!
[02:27] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I use various unsupported packages such as gkrellm and I saw once 'gam_server' took up around 10% of the CPU usage. Whenever I press the direction keys on the keyboard, the CPU usage rockets from ~10% to almost 100% for a short burst before the display comes out.. eg. I use irssi to chat, if I wanted to see what I wrote last, I press up on the keyboard to see what I said last. However with gam-server, it uses CPU usage to a certain
[02:27] <rich0rd> to start a flamwar __mikem: linus thinks gnome is not good because they are hiding to much configuration issues
[02:28] <rich0rd> he called the gnome developers "interface nazis"
[02:28] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I know what you mean.. however gnome and kde are just part of the diverse amount of WM/DE there are out there
[02:28] <rich0rd> go xfce go!
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:28] <__mikem> rich0rd most people who use gnome are people who are not affraid to fire up the terminal window
[02:28] <Hobbsee> __mikem: ditto for a lot of kde people, really
[02:29] <__mikem> most people who use kde think text mode should just die already
[02:29] <__mikem> atleast thats my impression
[02:29] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: what do you mean by that?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> sure, some do
[02:29] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: running konsole on KDE?
[02:29] <__mikem> I mean, you don't like it
[02:29] <__mikem> you can do it
[02:29] <Hobbsee> but it's a lot easier to configure by cli in some cases
[02:29] <__mikem> but you prefere not to
[02:29] <__mikem> like hobsee said
[02:30] <Hobbsee> see my wireless network havoc for details
[02:30] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:30] <__mikem> I guess a better way to put it is gnome users are masokistic
[02:30] <__mikem> they prefere to do things the hard way
[02:30] <brodel> anyone tell me what's happening here? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/553689
[02:30] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that anyone really wants to do things the hard way
[02:31] <hatake_kakashi> well, I had to deal things the hardway long before kubuntu came into light. Most of the time on my various other distros I spend my time on a real tty
[02:31] <__mikem> hobbsee I write windows applications in assembly language for fun, so you really can't tell me that
[02:31] <rich0rd> brodel: it seems, that there are headers missing
[02:31] <Hobbsee> well, most people then :P
[02:31] <__mikem> hatake yes but I am sure you sighed a great sigh of relief when you discovered kubuntu
[02:31] <__mikem> or kde
[02:31] <rich0rd> rich0rd: assure that you have the -dev packages installed you need for this
[02:32] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: well, somewhat. That's the other side of the long story short for me :) my longer aim is to move on to another one
[02:32] <brodel> rich0rd: you mean me with the dev packages?
[02:32] <__mikem> Progress hat progress
[02:32] <rich0rd> brodel: yes
[02:33] <rich0rd> damn i wrote my name ... time to go to bed?
[02:33] <Knowerrors> after installing new drives or partitions, is there a way to get fstab auto populated?  My second harddrive and my windows partition on first drive aren't recognized
[02:33] <brodel> I installed what the tut and hobbsee told me to have installed? anything I should check for?
[02:33] <__mikem> Speaking of progress hatake did you get that comment I made about writing windows apps in asm
[02:33] <bimberi> rich0rd: i do that - even after a good nights sleep :P
[02:33] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: yeah I did
[02:33] <rich0rd> brodel: some dev packages, if you installed some binary packes you probably miss the headers (or -dev packages for it)
[02:34] <__mikem> I just wanted to hear abillion people say I was crazy when I said that, but I guess that didn't happen
[02:34] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: but both CLI and GUI have their advantages as well as their disadvantages
[02:34] <rich0rd> brodel: what packages did you install?
[02:34] <__mikem> GUI is definitely good for managing servers, especially when you need real time data monitoring
[02:35] <__mikem> CLI is good when having to navigate a billion menus becomes to cumbersome
[02:35] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I learned to respect CLI the hardway.. back in the days of win9x was around, I was known to crash it very easily by messing around with regedit. Usual people at that time would freak out if their win9x stopped working and that they are switched to DOS
[02:35] <Psi-Jack> Well, I'm fricken impressed. Kubuntu's LDAP server handles full proper LDAPv3 binding.
[02:35] <brodel> kde-devel, kdevelop, kdevelop3-dev
[02:35] <brodel> checkinstall..
[02:35] <__mikem> hatake I am sure YOU were not the reason win9x crashed
[02:35] <__mikem> lol
[02:35] <__mikem> get it
[02:35] <brodel> that's all I think.
[02:36] <brodel> I barely remember 98
[02:36] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: yes, but then I realised that CLI was another way for me to get along with the OS, apart from all 'point-and-click' interface :)
[02:37] <y_o_u> hey all. anyone here have any experience with installing icon packs in kubuntu, rather troubleshooting installations?
[02:37] <__mikem> A lot of tools sort of merge the two, they take the best of GUI (real time data monitoring, etc) and merge it with the best of CLI (quickness and eligance)
[02:37] <__mikem> the best example of this is the process viewer
[02:37] <__mikem> which allows you to launch monitor and kill any running process
[02:38] <Hobbsee> now of course, when you run a development release and lose X, it's very useful to be able to semi-navigate in CLI!
[02:38] <__mikem> Yes granted
[02:38] <__mikem> in the programming world where I feel most at home, I never use wysiwyg editors, because I could never really get along with them
[02:38] <__mikem> I always write my code by hand
[02:39] <__mikem> ofcourse not many wysiwyg editors are available for c/c++ or assembly
[02:39] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: hehe top and iptraf
[02:39] <__mikem> and you have people running around with these editors and code generators, claiming to be programmers and they have no idea how to write code
[02:39] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: lol
[02:40] <__mikem> WHich brings up the other problem which is that it induces lazyness
[02:40] <rich0rd> brodel: assure that you have kdevelop3-dev  installed
[02:40] <__mikem> like when vb came out. WRiting software is fun and esay, yippee. "GReat but your software has limited functionality, requires all these runtime libraries that are hard to get, runs slow and basicly sucks"
[02:41] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: sounds somewhat like C to me where you needed to get the various stdlib etc
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> __mikem: wow! that does sound fun AND easy!
[02:41] <__mikem> lol
[02:42] <__mikem> yeh, but the vb programmers really were never taken serious
[02:42] <hatake_kakashi> they were bagged as virus creators and such
[02:42] <hatake_kakashi> though some progressed onto other languages
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> Wonder why that is?
[02:42] <__mikem> I still don't know why delphi didn't do as well in the market place as vb
[02:42] <_richard2> someone now about macromedia studio for linux?
[02:43] <__mikem> pascal is a tried and true language, basic has known performance issues, (all though today its a different story)
[02:43] <__mikem> why didn't delphi become the rad tool of choice
[02:44] <FunnyLookinHat> Would you guys recommend using Automatix?
[02:44] <rich0rd> brodel: i think i found it
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> python == the new basic that's kinda like C.
[02:44] <rich0rd> brodel: kdbg
[02:44] <hatake_kakashi> LeeJunFan: Microsoft created Visual Basic which allows new users to make simple little snippets of codes to make their windows OS work for them. However as soon as script-kiddies found that was a method to exploit other windows machines and that you can created with ease. It was somewhat their weapon of choice, of course VB later on became popular for its easiness as well as the ability to cause havoc
[02:44] <hatake_kakashi> FunnyLookinHat: hell no
[02:44] <hatake_kakashi> !automatix
[02:44] <ubotu> automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[02:44] <__mikem> Power Basic, and FRee basic actually produce exe files that run about as fast as ones created in c++
[02:45] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh dang, too late.
[02:45] <__mikem> interestingly enough
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> hatake_kakashi: thanks for that, but I was being sarchastic :)
[02:45] <hatake_kakashi> LeeJunFan: blah, oh well
[02:45] <rich0rd> red bull for the win!
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> I should have used my sarchasm emoticons :)
[02:45] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh
[02:45] <brodel> I installed kdbg.. still get same errors though
[02:45] <hatake_kakashi> LeeJunFan: yeah that'd be good :) I don't take sarcasms easily.. unless maybe you use ;)
[02:46] <rich0rd> brodel: damn it seems, that a header file is missing
[02:46] <__mikem> ANyway, mean while steve hutchenson and randyll hide (the assembly language masters if you will) are sitting aroud with their age old methods while everyone else chants assembly language is dead
[02:46] <hatake_kakashi> !easy
[02:46] <ubotu> hatake_kakashi: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:46] <hatake_kakashi> !easy-ubuntu
[02:46] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, hatake_kakashi
[02:46] <__mikem> prety soon, the languages of today will be dead and replaced by even higher level languages, and eventually those will be dead
[02:46] <__mikem> and then soon we won't even need programmerx
[02:47] <rich0rd> __mikem: that's an illusion
[02:47] <__mikem> rich0rd whats an illusion
[02:47] <rich0rd> __mikem, that soon we won't need programmers
[02:47] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: ASM is still somewhat alive and kicking. I know what you mean but people are addicted to the candy UI world. As machines get faster, sloppy programming practices as well as candy features will probably become the new standard
[02:48] <tonyyarusso> Hey, I'm just trying out KDE now, and I'm trying to figure out how to install a theme (.tar.gz).  I found the theme manager, but it doesn't show the file as a "theme-type" file, so it doesn't show up in the selector.  How does this work?
[02:48] <__mikem> hatake I am sorry, I get pationate about this, because I work my buns off learning th elow level stuff while all the people who do nothing but drag and drop get all the credit
[02:48] <brodel> I downloaded a deb file that might install this thing.. I can't figure out how to install it via the deb though
[02:48] <__mikem> "the low level"
[02:49] <Hobbsee> !deb
[02:49] <ubotu> To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:49] <fuzzy_eyebrows> thanks :)
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I know what you mean :) ASM is still very powerful. Take a look at menuetOS. Its an OS with GUI that is very small.. it fits on a floppy!
[02:49] <__mikem> WRiten in asm I presume, see people don't realize can be done with a little extra effort
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: best of all, that OS is fully written in ASM
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> true
[02:50] <__mikem> THe only problem with low level programming of any kind is always portability
[02:50] <hatake_kakashi> but ASM is very specific. Eg. there is different ASM codes and handles (I think) for x86, sparc, ppc, etc
[02:50] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: should be able to be installed from the colours section of system settings
[02:50] <hatake_kakashi> yes
[02:50] <__mikem> That is really a can of worms in itself so lets avoid that topic
[02:51] <__mikem> lol
[02:51] <hatake_kakashi> hence that could be the reason why linux kinda relies on C with a bit of ASM magic (well for x86 I saw there was ASM coding for kernel 2.4.x)
[02:51] <__mikem> I can't believe this, we went from kde to asm by some nefarious rout
[02:51] <__mikem> you got to live inline asm
[02:52] <hatake_kakashi> bimberi: I will join back later, I need to solve this problem of mine sooner than later :)
[02:52] <rich0rd> i think in brainfuck
[02:52] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: inline asm?
[02:52] <__mikem> some compilers allow you to mix asm code with a higher level language aka c/c++
[02:52] <__mikem> they call that inline asm
[02:53] <__mikem> gcc supports it
[02:53] <bimberi> hatake_kakashi: no, i mean it would be watching all this lovely offtopic discussion happening here </hint>
[02:53] <fuzzy_eyebrows> ..
[02:53] <fuzzy_eyebrows> kbfx is so not what I thought it was haha
[02:53] <hatake_kakashi> bimberi: ahh
[02:53] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: yeah I noticed that
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Okay, will look.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:55] <rich0rd> __mikem it was your fault talking about high and low level stuff
[02:56] <xored> hello guys. I used the 12er kerne ( breezy, selfebacked) to run wirelesslan with WPA on my intel pro wifi chipset ( ipw2200). Therfore i compiled ipw2200 and iee myself on installed the firmware and it works and working. Now iam switching to 15-4 to have suspend2, but i cannot get the ip2200 to connect to my WPA. Any tips ?ac
[02:56] <__mikem> Yeh, next time I get started on a rant, please stop me
[02:56] <Hobbsee> __mikem: hehe like "__mikem has left the channel (requested by Hobbsee: you're ranting)"?
[02:57] <__mikem> no
[02:57] <__mikem> something less demeaning
[02:57] <__mikem> lol
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ah, pity
[02:57] <__mikem> duck tape?
[02:57] <matt24> when a program freezes and I shut it down. I can't open it again
[02:57] <matt24> can someone help
[02:58] <Hobbsee> no, there are more effective forms on irc lol
[02:58] <matt24> is there a crlt+alt+del for linux
[02:58] <__mikem> nope just tried it
[02:58] <__mikem> nothing happened
[02:58] <__mikem> theres control c though
[02:58] <__mikem> but I think thats for the command line only
[03:00] <hatake_kakashi> matt24: Ctrl+Esc
[03:00] <rich0rd> matt24: you could use ctrl+alt+entf to restart X
[03:01] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: entf?
[03:01] <rich0rd> matt24: del hehe
[03:01] <bimberi> duct tape - surely :P
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[03:01] <bimberi> :P
[03:01] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi - my keyboards are german, so delete is "entfernen"
[03:01] <hatake_kakashi> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (Kills and restarts X, _not_ _recomended_)
[03:01] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: ahh
[03:02] <__mikem> funny story, when I was still learning linux and I wanted to know how to start xwindows, someone said to type startx but they said it in such a way where it sounded like "startch"
[03:02] <__mikem> so after about 5 screen fulls of "startch" I thought, ...
[03:02] <rich0rd> and i mixed it up again - it is backspace
[03:02] <matt24> is the process still running
[03:02] <matt24> how do I check
[03:02] <rich0rd> and it is recommanded as ctrlaltdel is in windows (not at all)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> matt24: top
[03:02] <rich0rd> !ps
[03:02] <ubotu> rich0rd: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:02] <__mikem> ubotu is fun to play with
[03:02] <ubotu> __mikem: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:03] <__mikem> !bot abuse
[03:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, bot abuse is a bannable offense
[03:03] <__mikem> lol
[03:03] <__mikem> se
[03:03] <prospero2006> Devices I have mounted with fstab are stuck to my desktop. Is there any way to get rid of them?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> it is
[03:03] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh, I switched from windows to linux mainly because I realised the advantages. I was a windows power user until it bit me hard that it is so much more fun to mess in linux
[03:04] <__mikem> I hear you, thats what I am going through, I went from being a power user who could handle anything to having to relearn the basics
[03:04] <UFO> hatake_kakashi: yep
[03:04] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: at that time, when I first started out on linux, I had a habit of running everything as root till I learned it is not fun at all
[03:04] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh, well, like I say, people have to start somewhere :)
[03:05] <__mikem> I at first ran as root all the time (in windows I always ran as administrater so why not) but I heard to many horror stories about what one simple fat finger on the terminal can do while running as root and decided to stop
[03:06] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: hahaha.. and I remember the days of where people loved to say 'rm -rf /'
[03:07] <__mikem> or sudo rm *.*
[03:07] <__mikem> lol
[03:07] <hatake_kakashi> there's many ways to approach it, but yeah
[03:07] <__mikem> lol
[03:07] <__mikem> 100 ways to really f*** up your system
[03:07] <__mikem> lol
[03:07] <hatake_kakashi> yup
[03:07] <xored> guys, i can connect through my wpa_supplicant on kernel ..12 with my current ipw2200 drivers, but i cannot do it under 15er.. i updated wpa to 0.5 right now, didnt helped. It seems in the logs, he cannot encrpyt the key, some help ?aac
[03:08] <__mikem> ???
[03:08] <matt24> any way to find out why firefox doesn't load any more
[03:09] <__mikem> Id just do dpkg reconfigure on it
[03:09] <__mikem> that should fix it
[03:09] <matt24> how do I do that
[03:09] <__mikem> dpkg reconfigure <name of package>
[03:09] <arrinmurr> matt24: start it from the terminal and see  what it's saying
[03:09] <__mikem> you may need to run as super user
[03:09] <__mikem> to do this
[03:09] <brodel> didn't know how to redo the taskbar.. had to reboot.. old windows habit :\
[03:10] <__mikem> NO, HES REGRESSING, WE MUST PERFORM THE EXERCISM
[03:10] <__mikem> lol
[03:10] <__mikem> jk
[03:10] <matt24> thats like me... just installed this and never going back to windows xp.  need to learn linux. sorry for being a noob
[03:10] <__mikem> Quite alright, I am a noob also
[03:10] <brodel> wish I could never go back to XP
[03:11] <brodel> I think I'd be fired pretty quickly though..
[03:11] <__mikem> SOme day windows emulators will be 100% functional and we can finally cast away our shackles that microsoft has us chained togeather with
[03:11] <hatake_kakashi> that'll be the day ;)
[03:11] <__mikem> lol
[03:11] <__mikem> one can dream can't he
[03:12] <__mikem> I did get bejeweled 2 to run on ubuntu under wine
[03:12] <matt24> how do I know if wine is installed
[03:13] <matt24> oh my
[03:13] <__mikem> if you didn't install it yourself it aint installed
[03:13] <hatake_kakashi> eh. I had various stream audio players making glitches every so often, so I got foobar2000 to work with wine and linux
[03:13] <hatake_kakashi> !info wine
[03:13] <ubotu> wine: (Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 14130 kB, Installed size: 55488 kB
[03:13] <matt24> why can't I get firefox to run
[03:13] <rich0rd> !info cowsay
[03:13] <ubotu> cowsay: (A configurable talking cow), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 3.03-6 (breezy), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 268 kB
[03:13] <rich0rd> ha
[03:13] <__mikem> hatake tell matt how to do a dpkg reconfigure on firefox
[03:14] <__mikem> I don't remember the name of the package off hand
[03:14] <matt24> yes please help
[03:14] <rich0rd> dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-firefox
[03:14] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: no can do heh, I'm on live-cd (Hoary)
[03:14] <__mikem> oops sorry
[03:14] <rich0rd> i think that should do it
[03:14] <__mikem> if not try sudo dpkg reconfigure mozilla-firefox
[03:15] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: np, I just wanted to see if anyone has tried backing up downloaded packages and indexes for another clean install of kubuntu/ubuntu again
[03:15] <matt24> nope
[03:15] <rich0rd> oops i always use  sudo bash
[03:15] <matt24> still not working
[03:15] <__mikem> hatake are you connected to a lan
[03:15] <rich0rd> what is "it" saying
[03:16] <matt24> nothing
[03:16] <matt24> the little icons bounces and then nothing
[03:16] <rich0rd> matt24: is a process still running?
[03:16] <matt24> have no idea how to check
[03:16] <rich0rd> ps axu| grep firefox
[03:17] <__mikem> the bouncy icon is always a welcome change from the dry and hackneyed hour glass
[03:17] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I am, but I hope to not configure another box to be a apt server
[03:17] <__mikem> no, hatake just put all the files you want to keep on the server, (or other machine in case its a p2p) and reload the system
[03:18] <matt24> nothing happened
[03:18] <__mikem> matt, you should atleast see text in the terminal
[03:18] <__mikem> do you have Konsole running
[03:18] <matt24> yup
[03:18] <matt24> nothing coming up
[03:18] <rich0rd> at least one should come up
[03:18] <rich0rd> (the grep=
[03:18] <matt24> nope
[03:19] <__mikem> ok, so, you typed it in and theres just a blank line under
[03:19] <matt24> yuo
[03:19] <rich0rd> press ctrl+d
[03:19] <rich0rd> i think you got the pipe wrong
[03:19] <xored> ok i found the problem. While compiling the new kernel 2.6.15-4 on breezy he fails to compliel ieee wich is needed for the encryption of wpa. How to fix it up ?
[03:19] <__mikem> I would ask you to pastebin the contents of the console window but I don't know how to use pastebin
[03:20] <rich0rd> he could paste it in #flood
[03:20] <__mikem> true
[03:20] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: last time I tried pulling just the packages alone from /var/cache/apt/archives, but apt-get fails to see it even though I put it back in there. I was told that there probably is an index file from a user in #debian. My question is, is there any other files I need to copy apart from the index file and the packages in order to make it work?
[03:20] <matt24> whats going on. any way to fix this
[03:21] <_douglas> Where in KDE is the list of supported resolutions, because on my desktop it lists a whole bunch more that are in my xorg.conf?
[03:21] <__mikem> no, if you need to install multiple packages really quickly when you redo the system, try writing a shell script
[03:21] <hatake_kakashi> matt24: what did you do last to make firefox not work?
[03:21] <_douglas> And I would like the same options on my laptop.
[03:21] <__mikem> in windows we would use batch files to do something like this and shell scripts are the rough equivilent
[03:21] <matt24> shut it down. because it locked up
[03:21] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: blah.. and deal with dpkg? heh its almost like dealing with rpm itself anyway :)
[03:22] <__mikem> rpm yuck
[03:22] <__mikem> um, yeh, but if you are frequently redoing your system, Id say itd be worth it
[03:22] <__mikem> but you do have a point
[03:22] <__mikem> writing the script would be cumbersome
[03:22] <__mikem> the other idea is just to memorize the packages you want and where to get them
[03:23] <rich0rd> !info apt-file
[03:23] <ubotu> apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section universe/base, is optional. Version: 2.0.7ubuntu5 (breezy), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
[03:23] <__mikem> rich0rd who was that for
[03:23] <hatake_kakashi> its just that I have downloaded around 1GB of packages and because the ISP I"m with here, has quota cap and it would not be a good idea for me to download them again. Thus having to wait for the packages to be downloaded.
[03:24] <brodel> I'm tired.. goin to bed. thanks for the help all
[03:24] <__mikem> oh, so you want the package managor to recognize a local repository on your system
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: well once I reinstalled kubuntu, yes
[03:25] <rich0rd> __mikem : i think there is a way to to that (local repo)
[03:25] <__mikem> I have never tried, I would have burned a cd of all the packages I need and dirrected synpatic to look in drive d
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> last time I tried it, it failed, I was told there might be an index file. However I want to make sure this time round that if I'm doing it again, I want apt-get to make sure that it sees the local cache first
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> blah :/
[03:26] <UFO> hatake_kakashi: why you can use dpkg -i to install the software
[03:26] <prospero2006> I just plugged my camera card reader into ubuntu. It detected it, mounted it, and opened it in a new window.
[03:26] <prospero2006> That's impressive
[03:27] <__mikem> Ubuntu is "da bomb"
[03:27] <hatake_kakashi> UFO: because if I do that, it would be literally dealing with rpm -i. It will complain about the deps, etc. I would be a little happier if apt-get can deal with that for me by reading the stuff from my local repo
[03:27] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: i found a solution for you (in german at least)
[03:28] <_hupp3l> hey, just wanted to thank the guys at ubuntu for adding the BCM43xx driver. thanx
[03:29] <UFO> look into the repository dir and open the index file for the format of it
[03:29] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/apt-offline.html
[03:29] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: ta
[03:29] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: if you need a translation i will try my best
[03:30] <hatake_kakashi> UFO: so only the index file and the repository cache?
[03:30] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: thanks
[03:30] <UFO> you could use the directory like cdrom is in the sources.list
[03:31] <brydenn> ok
[03:31] <brydenn> ;)
[03:32] <brydenn> ok so the question i have to ask again... who here has used KBFX before?
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> well last time I had an user guiding me through it (somewhat) but that failed to work. The user said that there maybe an index file stored.. so I'm hoping this time round doing it again, it will work rather than redownloading packages, wasting time and monthly quota
[03:33] <brydenn> hmm does anyone know of any other programs/applets/etc that I can use to change the kicker and KDE button?
[03:33] <brydenn> cuz KBFX sucks donkey balls
[03:33] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: whoa.. I only know very little German, wasn't expecting a full on one :/ I'll try online language translaters first :) but thanks for the heads up
[03:34] <brydenn> theball: you portland guy you ;)
[03:34] <brydenn> qwest sucks lol
[03:34] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: np, i am from austria/vienna so if you need any help in this case i will try
[03:34] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: thanks abunch again :)
[03:35] <brydenn> rich0rd: i've been to vienna, austria once
[03:35] <theball> brydenn: clode yes about 50 mile away, why?
[03:35] <theball> do you know of me?
[03:35] <brydenn> auh i'm from Portland too
[03:35] <theball> cool
[03:35] <rich0rd> brydenn: i study here
[03:35] <brydenn> cool rich0rd
[03:35] <theball> nice to see some locals
[03:35] <brydenn> everyone in vienna was nice when i was there
[03:36] <theball> kind of rare
[03:36] <brydenn> i spent most of my time in Budapest, Hungary though
[03:36] <brydenn> i agree theball
[03:36] <theball> anyone going to the linux fest in belvue area? in april?
[03:36] <brydenn> now you're from Portland, Oregon right... not Maine?
[03:36] <theball> correct
[03:36] <brydenn> sweet
[03:36] <brydenn> me too
[03:37] <theball> actualy kelos washington but my store is in oregon
[03:37] <brydenn> so do you know this program very well theball
[03:37] <prospero2006> anyone here installed the kweather package
[03:37] <brydenn> you have a store huh :)
[03:37] <prospero2006> ?
[03:37] <brydenn> i havent prospero2006
[03:37] <brydenn> sorry
[03:37] <theball> yeah in rainier oregon, just learning this program though
[03:37] <brydenn> oh i see
[03:37] <brydenn> yah this OS is nice
[03:37] <coolio10> why since i upgraded to 3.5.1 is my grub taking 10 mros seconds to load!!!
[03:37] <rich0rd> brydenn: yeah it's okay
[03:37] <brydenn> pretty clean and stable
[03:38] <theball> i have been using ubuntu for about 9 months but suse since 8.2
[03:38] <theball> i love this os!!!!!!
[03:38] <coolio10> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:38] <theball> i can have everything on this laptop and all my other computers just work
[03:38] <brydenn> Kubuntu only... not a big gnome fan ;)
[03:38] <coolio10> same here
[03:38] <theball> the laptop is ubuntu with kubuntu destop loaded on it
[03:38] <brydenn> yah
[03:39] <brydenn> same thing theball
[03:39] <coolio10> have you upgraded recently and noticed grub taking longer to load?
[03:39] <theball> yeah i notice the lag
[03:39] <brydenn> no i havent
[03:39] <brydenn> well i havent updated in awhile ;)
[03:39] <theball> i just loaded one pc with dapper kubuntu and that thing is quick now
[03:39] <coolio10> well i just started using kubuntu today because i was too lazy to fix xserver and now did today
[03:39] <theball> i love this distro
[03:39] <brydenn> when is dapper expected to be stable again?
[03:40] <theball> cut my teath on RH5.1
[03:40] <theball> and have been playing with linux in one form or another since then but 80% of the time now i use linux
[03:40] <MRmaverick> hi all
[03:40] <theball> hey MR
[03:40] <UFO> theball: do you use suse enymore... i downloades just the dvd image
[03:40] <MRmaverick> hi theball
[03:41] <theball> anyone going to the linux fest in belvue area? in april?
[03:41] <MRmaverick> anyone know why when i installed kubutu, then windows why i dnt get the option to boot kubuntu anymorwe?
[03:41] <theball> sus is primaraly for my server now as i love the interface, its 10.0
[03:41] <theball> MR load in reverse order
[03:41] <UFO> theball: ok..
[03:41] <MRmaverick> arg
[03:41] <MRmaverick> damn
[03:42] <theball> first windows on a partician then linux on another and the boot menu will allow the dual booting
[03:42] <MRmaverick> k
[03:42] <freeflying-ibook> my kububtu on ppc sometime has sound , sometime has no
[03:42] <theball> but at this point just load linux and install the boot loader and it will fix it
[03:42] <brydenn> hey, does anyone tried playing Super Nintendo ROMS using ZSNES on Kubuntu yet?
[03:42] <brydenn> cuz i'm having trouble installing ZSNES hehe
[03:42] <MRmaverick> u mean the dvd?
[03:42] <MRmaverick> wont reinstall it?
[03:43] <MRmaverick> jsut sort out boot bit right?
[03:43] <MRmaverick> isnt zsnes for widows?
[03:43] <theball> yeah it will but the dvd has an option to repair damaged os and it just updates a few things and then installs grub or lilo
[03:43] <MRmaverick> oky
[03:43] <brydenn> ZSNES is open source MRmaverick
[03:43] <MRmaverick> oh
[03:43] <theball> i love the dual boot capabilities
[03:44] <MRmaverick> wont effect windows righ?
[03:44] <MRmaverick> brb guys
[03:44] <theball> this laptop actualy has WINMEDCENT edition with kubuntu and sus on it. i like to play
[03:44] <coolio10> MRmaverick just starting to install kbuuntu?
[03:44] <__mikem> How long will it be untill kubuntu pressed cds start making the rounds
[03:45] <hatake_kakashi> brb
[03:45] <__mikem> !live
[03:45] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[03:45] <theball> correct wont efect windows as long as in the partition area you dont tell it to delete or format the partition
[03:45] <MRmaverick> nope
[03:45] <MRmaverick> allready had kubtun
[03:45] <MRmaverick> all sorted
[03:45] <coolio10> oh
[03:45] <__mikem> !ubuntu-live
[03:45] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[03:45] <__mikem> man, they are slacking on the bot
[03:45] <UFO> my laptop got remote controller... could i use it in mediacenter
[03:45] <MRmaverick> actualy got kubtunt too do all my windows stuff.. jsut cany play games..
[03:45] <theball> brydenn you part of pdxlug?
[03:45] <MRmaverick> brb
[03:46] <theball> MR that and my dvd burning needs are the only reason for windows
[03:46] <UFO> or does enyone know howto look what key are pressed....
[03:46] <UFO> keys
[03:47] <coolio10> anyone think mepis is better then kubuntu?
[03:47] <coolio10> or tried pclinuxos
[03:47] <__mikem> Ive used mepis before, ubuntu beats it hands down
[03:47] <rich0rd> UFO: look at lirc
[03:47] <coolio10> mepis seems hard to even get the thing burned!
[03:47] <__mikem> however the next version of mepis is supposed to be based on ubuntu
[03:47] <__mikem> no, mepis is easy to burn
[03:47] <brydenn> theball:  msg me
[03:47] <coolio10> many peeople saying burn at 4X and that made it worse for me
[03:48] <theball> distros are all similar but the package selection for ubuntu kubuntu beets all i have seen hands dosn
[03:48] <UFO> rich0rd: the laptop does have modified ir actually i can poweron with remote
[03:48] <__mikem> burned fine for me
[03:48] <__mikem> theball, don't steal my lingo
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !tell brydenn about pastebin
[03:48] <theball> oops sorry
[03:48] <__mikem> lol its ok
[03:49] <coolio10> can lilo be configured a lot like grub?
[03:49] <theball> no toe stepping intended
[03:49] <__mikem> I was only kidding
[03:49] <__mikem> don't worry about it
[03:49] <theball> i know
[03:49] <hatake_kakashi> coolio10: doubt it
[03:49] <theball> i love having fun with people
[03:49] <UFO> lilo is better in some situation
[03:49] <__mikem> same here
[03:50] <theball> so where you from --mikem?
[03:50] <__mikem> Florda
[03:50] <__mikem> you?
[03:50] <theball> washington
[03:50] <theball> love the trees and rain
[03:50] <__mikem> YOu are a stones throw from the hq of microsoft
[03:50] <coolio10> my kubuntu is bloated! every main kde package and more plus automatix and klix
[03:50] <theball> been all over and havent found anything i can tollerate as well
[03:50] <__mikem> coolio, kubuntu is ANYTHING but bloated
[03:51] <coolio10> i know but i made mine bloated
[03:51] <theball> coolio go to synaptic and remove what you dont want
[03:51] <__mikem> how did you accomplish this
[03:51] <__mikem> O, I thought he somehow downloaded a bloated distribution
[03:51] <coolio10> lol
[03:51] <rich0rd> UFO: maybe there is a lirc mapping for it
[03:52] <coolio10> i got 1439 packages isntalled
[03:52] <__mikem> holly sh*t
[03:52] <theball> i am at my kids kungfu school tapped into the wifi and chatting in a room full of parents who are pc clueless
[03:52] <theball> too funny
[03:52] <__mikem> I was always more of a tai kwan do person
[03:52] <UFO> the system does not see the port at all... its same as the buttons in keyboard like arrows... and the powerbutton
[03:52] <theball> i love watching the faces of the other parents
[03:53] <hatake_kakashi> coolio10: its not recommended to use automatix, and plus many eye-candy features can be turned off
[03:53] <__mikem> I am actually a computer programmer
[03:53] <theball> so is anyone here actively involved in helping develope ubun or kubun?
[03:53] <__mikem> a 17 year old hobbiest but still
[03:53] <__mikem> Nope
[03:53] <theball> wish i could program
[03:53] <UFO> rich0rd: the system does not see the port at all... its same as the buttons in keyboard like arrows... and the powerbutton
[03:53] <coolio10> ill remove it
[03:53] <__mikem> theball what kinds of software would you want to write
[03:54] <coolio10> is xfce any good?
[03:54] <theball> da*n you make me feel old ==mikem
[03:54] <__mikem> sorry
[03:54] <rich0rd> coolio10: if you want a fast and stable interface yes, if you want i candy and so on ... well no
[03:54] <UFO> ok... whats old :)
[03:54] <_sniff> hello peeps
[03:54] <theball> __mikem: probably something to help the developmentaly disabled
[03:55] <coolio10> anyone gettin anoyed of insertin the cd/dvd when installing certain packages?
[03:55] <crimsun> Xfce doesn't mean you can't have eye candy -- see xfce-look
[03:55] <__mikem> youd want to write software that helps people be productive
[03:55] <theball> and learn how to connect and control robotics stuff
[03:55] <__mikem> well, youd need to know c/c++, which takes a bit of effort
[03:55] <__mikem> believe me I know
[03:55] <crimsun> there are other languages besides C and C++
[03:55] <_sniff> i was hoping some1 would be able to help me a little please...
[03:55] <theball> __mikem: my brother is handicapped and at 43 he is only about 6 years old mentally and cant read
[03:55] <UFO> does enyone know how to see the hex codes of pressed key on keyboard
[03:55] <__mikem> oh
[03:56] <crimsun> UFO: xev
[03:56] <theball> i want to help people like that
[03:56] <theball> xev rocks
[03:56] <__mikem> well, you could write learning games, those are also usually writen in c/c++
[03:56] <UFO> crimsun: thx
[03:56] <theball> i dont even know where to start
[03:57] <theball> i am teaching my 10 year old son how to build and configure pc's,  that is really fun
[03:57] <__mikem> well, the best way to start is to pick up a nice book on c, once you know c learn c++, then find an api, learn how to use it, then you are in good shape to write a piece of software
[03:57] <rich0rd> UFO: have a eye on dmesg
[03:57] <theball> thanks for the idea
[03:57] <rich0rd> UFO: keys unknown to the kernel are shown there
[03:57] <theball> currently i am working on integrating a pc into my vw that i can control from a pda for movies and music in my car
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh I have an old C book by the two Deitel :)
[03:58] <__mikem> I do pure win32 programming so I am well seasoned, you might want to go with mfc
[03:58] <theball> whats mfc?
[03:58] <theball> brydenn you still here?
[03:58] <rich0rd> mircrosoft foundation classes
[03:58] <__mikem> I have about $5000 dollars worth of programming literature in our house
[03:58] <_sniff> if someone can offer me advice on being able to see filenames that use a foreign language in kubuntu i'd be grateful. At the moment my system contains english, chinese and russian file names but the display as "????.mp3"
[03:58] <theball> i can probably get that through my job
[03:58] <__mikem> well maybe not that much
[03:59] <__mikem> but quite a lot
[03:59] <rich0rd> __mikem: i am used to go to the local library - it is cheaper
[03:59] <theball> i can relate, we have 10 of thousands of dollars in training books for our techs.
[03:59] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: ahh that one again, heh, its not going to be fun, which fs are those files on?
[03:59] <UFO> rich0rd: why dmesg
[03:59] <__mikem> I have never sean a library that contains any good programming books out side of arcaic out dated win16 programming books in QuickC
[03:59] <_sniff> resifer
[04:00] <_sniff> actually fat32
[04:00] <_sniff> but resier doesn't work either
[04:00] <rich0rd> UFO: because if the kernel does not know what to do with the keycodes he prints it with dmesg
[04:00] <rich0rd> UFO: i used to get the keycodes for my MS - multimedia keyboard
[04:00] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: I got most of my probems solved - including sound, fn keys, and system rebooting
[04:01] <theball> bathroom break
[04:01] <_sniff> still let with this problem
[04:01] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: its either reiserfs or fat32, which one is it?
[04:01] <UFO> rich0rd: yes that what im trying to do... but this is actually same thing with ir... my friend played with me and stole my ir signal and shutoff my laptop
[04:02] <rich0rd> UFO: :-) i thought about doing this with the beamer in classes - but i never really tried it
[04:03] <theball> is anyone else in here from the northwest of america?
[04:04] <UFO> rich0rd: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/home/products/notebooks/amilo_a_1667g.html
[04:04] <_sniff> the files at the moment are on fat32, but even when they are copied to my reiser / partition the names still don't display
[04:05] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: well with fat32, I believe you can use iocharset=foo although I think it deals with one iocharset allowed, I think you can put in more if need be via comma or something.. if not, then copy it onto reiserfs and remake a kernel that has all your specified charsets enabled/compiled
[04:06] <theball> i am out, have a great night, see ya __mikem
[04:06] <__mikem> bye
[04:08] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: codepage= or iocharset=
[04:08] <UFO> acrobat reader howto?
[04:09] <__mikem> is there any way to get acrobat reader for linux to do text to speach like microsoft's accrobat reader can
[04:10] <__mikem> windows accrobat reader
[04:10] <__mikem> rather
[04:10] <__mikem> can someone say verbal slip
[04:11] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: nfi, have you tried various pdf viewers out there? eg xpdf etc?
[04:11] <__mikem> yeh, xpdf comes default with ubuntu
[04:12] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: and what about the adobe acrobat reader for linux?
[04:12] <__mikem> it doesn't have text to speach support hense the question
[04:12] <ilba7r> hatake_kakashi, it is the best though resource intentsive
[04:13] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: well, I think there are alternatives out there floating about maybe apt-cache search
[04:13] <hatake_kakashi> ilba7r: unless if you have a better suggestion to __mikem's problems
[04:14] <__mikem> Ill just use something else to read me the entire contents of Rinkworks COmputer SUpidities every night
[04:14] <ilba7r> ok what is his problem and did not wana intrude just help
[04:14] <hatake_kakashi> ilba7r: __mikem wants a pdf text-to-speech reader
[04:15] <ilba7r> oh never heard of one in linux
[04:15] <__mikem> have you ever been to Computer Stupidities
[04:15] <__mikem> http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid its hillarious
[04:16] <theball> back
[04:16] <__mikem> wb
[04:16] <theball> what a whacky place this kungfu school
[04:17] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: this one is a long shot.. but try finding an extension that is associated viewer/player that can do text-to-speech. Google around and grab a converter that can convert pdf to that other format.
[04:17] <theball> so whats the topic now
[04:17] <__mikem> WRestling practice was wackier
[04:17] <__mikem> ok
[04:17] <theball> well right now there are 23 9-12 year olds screeming and kicking
[04:18] <__mikem> sounds fun
[04:18] <theball> more like funny
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> theball: sounds like shin fight
[04:18] <theball> what were you looking for __mikem?
[04:18] <theball> well sort of hk
[04:18] <__mikem> sounds like the insurance company taking all your money
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> theball: pdf text-to-speech reader
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> theball: hk?
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh
[04:19] <theball> hatake_kakashi sorry for the abriviatoion
[04:19] <__mikem> You got to know that insurance companies love it when they have martial artists for clients
[04:19] <theball> windows or linux variaety?
[04:19] <__mikem> thats a great reason to tripple the premium
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> theball: no problems.. I use it too, but I just don't know what hk is..
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> theball: linux variety
[04:20] <theball> i am new ti irc so i am learning the code of conduct so to speek
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: or boncers *snickers*
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> theball: ah ok
[04:20] <__mikem> yes that to
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> s/boncers/bouncers
[04:20] <__mikem> lol
[04:20] <marburg> help! i need to configure my network, but i can't get xorg to start :'(
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: what's the error for xorg?
[04:21] <__mikem> This program has performed an ilegal opperation and will be shut down.
[04:21] <__mikem> lol
[04:21] <hatake_kakashi> hah
[04:21] <hatake_kakashi> reminds me of windows rg
[04:22] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.
[04:22] <theball> bashers
[04:22] <__mikem> Ill be you anything microsoft stopped using that error message in windows because they were damn tired of dealing with 30,00 tech support calls each day from people asking how long they have untill they are arrested
[04:22] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: i think i might know a solution, but i need net access :D
[04:22] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: how is your network configured?
[04:22] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: not at all
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: that and having to constantly putting people on hold with their classical musak for at least 2 hours :D
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: huh
[04:23] <__mikem> o my god that must really tie up the lines
[04:23] <__mikem> lol
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: well, they have money. so :)
[04:24] <theball> why do you think qwest inly supports microsoft products?
[04:24] <__mikem> they should put that money to good use and debug their software
[04:24] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: it's a lappy and i wasn't around a network jack when i installed
[04:24] <__mikem> or better yet REWRITE IT
[04:24] <hatake_kakashi> theball: because they cbf supporting the various distributions/configurations of linux out there, like most other companies do
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: and now you do or no?
[04:25] <marburg> yea
[04:25] <marburg> plugged in and all
[04:25] <theball> no no i was kicking qwest, they support only ms so they can make more money on the ms support lines
[04:25] <marburg> just not configured
[04:25] <marburg> i just need to set it up to use dhcp
[04:25] <marburg> shouldn't be too hard
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: I assume there is a dhcp server on your network? or how do you access the internet? through modem?
[04:25] <theball> only sarcasim
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> theball: that too heh
[04:26] <__mikem> O I got one more, Biggest oxy moron in the world... "Microsoft Works"
[04:26] <theball> more like broken
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: nah.. imo the biggest oxy moron is "Microsoft Windows ME"
[04:26] <rich0rd> the biggest is "military intelligence"
[04:26] <__mikem> lmfao
[04:26] <__mikem> that last one really topped everything
[04:27] <__mikem> but I am sort of a republican
[04:27] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: yea, dhcp - shouldn't be too hard to setup
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: ok, cool, you can setup via dhclient eth0 or dhclient3 eth0
[04:27] <__mikem> networking ubuntu boxes as easy as sleaping after a wrestling tournement
[04:28] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: where must i add the charset etc to?
[04:28] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: did you manage to understand the howto?
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: when you specify the mount.. eg. mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 -o rw,iocharset=utf8,cp431  I think
[04:29] <theball> hey all class is over catch you another day, thanks for the chat!!
[04:29] <__mikem> any time
[04:29] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: not quite, I googled around and found answers close to it, the translation provided by babelfish, I somewhat understood. I asked a user in #debian channel for more information too
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> theball: ditto from __mikem :)
[04:30] <rich0rd> is there a way to install skype
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> s/a/an
[04:30] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: that did it, thanks!
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> !skype
[04:30] <ubotu> skype is, like, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: np
[04:30] <__mikem> !windows
[04:30] <ubotu> I heard windows is unnecessary - everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[04:30] <rich0rd> it depends on a libqt3c102-mt
[04:30] <__mikem> !microsoft
[04:30] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[04:30] <__mikem> !bot abuse
[04:30] <ubotu> bot abuse is, like, totally, a bannable offense
[04:31] <__mikem> !i love you
[04:31] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[04:31] <__mikem> lol
[04:31] <__mikem> jk
[04:31] <theball> oh __mikem try this. http://www.experts-exchange.com/Miscellaneous/Q_21375764.html
[04:31] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: that requires you to probably enable universe/multiverse in sources.list
[04:31] <theball> bye
[04:31] <__mikem> bye
[04:31] <hatake_kakashi> !info libqt3c102-mt
[04:31] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: i did that but it is some strange version
[04:32] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: and that doesn't work as well?
[04:32] <rich0rd> i am able to install it with --ignore-depends (but then apt always rants about the missing dependency)
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: maybe try what ubotu said about skypehowto
[04:33] <marburg> is there a standard apt-get server?
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: standard??
[04:34] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: or like a list of them? to choose from?
[04:34] <rich0rd> will apt-spy work sometimes with ubuntu (or does it already?)
[04:34] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: there was during the ubuntu/kubuntu (Hoary) installation
[04:34] <hatake_kakashi> !apt-spy
[04:34] <ubotu> hatake_kakashi: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:35] <Snake__> Hey, anyone in here willing to help me out with creating my own branch of linux distrobution
[04:35] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: all I can say is, its not going to be easy :) try LFS cookbook first before attempting such idea
[04:36] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I want to do what knoppixmame did...but better
[04:36] <EightiesK> anyone know a good place to get kde themes
[04:37] <Hobbsee> kde-look.org
[04:37] <Snake__> EightiesK: kdelook?
[04:37] <EightiesK> other than there
[04:37] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: ahh, well check their forums first on how to make a hd install, from there, customise it to the way you want. Get cloop utilities (compressed loop) and create image. Then you should be set I think, no guarentees as I never tried it before
[04:38] <surly> EightiesK : kde.themes.org
[04:38] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I think I may have figured out what I want to do
[04:38] <Snake__> never mind :)
[04:38] <surly> anyone using the "conky" system monitor?
[04:39] <Snake__> I just need to figure out how to add games to this
[04:39] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: well if you wanted to add it in permanently, you need to remaster the image
[04:39] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I presumed..
[04:40] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I gotta figure out what version of mame their runnin
[04:40] <__mikem> well I am out of here
[04:40] <__mikem> bye guys
[04:41] <__mikem> good night
[04:41] <hatake_kakashi> nn
[04:44] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd and _sniff: did it work?
[04:44] <rich0rd> Meg: hrhr ahoi
[04:44] <Meg> :)
[04:44] <rich0rd> welcome a friend of mine
[04:45] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: after I add in these games, what would I have to do to make it bootable again
[04:45] <Meg> very nice
[04:45] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: o.O
[04:45] <rich0rd> just managed to install her kubuntu all by herself
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: well the stuff that I said previously should work.. but you may want to check their forums prior to doing so, as I'm only assuming that will work
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: cool
[04:48] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: so now we got a/another female user ^^
[04:48] <rich0rd> i saw her first!
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[04:49] <Hobbsee> who's this?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> another female?
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: btw did that skype work? :)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> oh hi Meg
[04:49] <Hobbsee> !
[04:49] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[04:49] <Hobbsee> silly enter key being too close
[04:50] <hatake_kakashi> laptop keyboard I presume? :D
[04:50] <rich0rd> just installed alien
[04:51] <dcwckd> hey everyone
[04:51] <dcwckd> will installing an nvidia driver, help my system at all?
[04:51] <dcwckd> or is it worthless?
[04:51] <rich0rd> it will help
[04:51] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: rich0rd cool
[04:51] <rich0rd> dcwckd: playing 3d games, desktop performance ... it will help :)
[04:52] <dcwckd> ok
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> dcwckd: I don't see why not
[04:52] <dcwckd> is there any easy way to do it?
[04:52] <dcwckd> through apt?
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> !nvidia
[04:52] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:55] <rich0rd> nice skype works like a charm
[04:55] <rich0rd> ... so rpms are statically linked?
[04:55] <rich0rd> or do they use another version
[04:56] <hatake_kakashi> rpm is just another package just like deb. rpm itself is almost equivalent to dpkg
[04:57] <Meg> hi hobbsee
[04:57] <Meg> yea, skype worked :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:57] <hatake_kakashi> and probably, skype is probably more biased towards rpm based distros imo
[04:58] <Snake__> Is it possible to format a hard drive in kubuntu live disk.
[04:58] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: yes, with Hoary you can afaik
[04:58] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: Breezy...
[04:58] <Snake__> and wtf is afaik...lol
[04:59] <rich0rd> !gpart
[04:59] <ubotu> rich0rd: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:59] <rich0rd> damn
[04:59] <Snake__> !gparted
[04:59] <rich0rd> try gpart
[04:59] <ubotu> Snake__: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:59] <Snake__> hmm
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: as far as I know
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> !parted
[04:59] <ubotu> [parted]  a GNU program for creating, destroying, resizing, checking and copying partitions.  http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html
[04:59] <Snake__> rich0rd: does that come with the KUBUNTU live? I know its in ubuntu live, but I dont think its in the kde version
[05:00] <hatake_kakashi> imo, parted looks almost as friendly as fdisk for linux
[05:00] <marburg> "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aboritng"
[05:00] <Snake__> alright ill check into it all
[05:00] <EightiesK> how do you install lipstik?
[05:00] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: did you try running it from a newly created user?
[05:00] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: yes...
[05:00] <hatake_kakashi> EightiesK: lipstick theme?
[05:01] <EightiesK> yes
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: you need to setup the groups properly I believe
[05:01] <EightiesK> I did as the install said
[05:01] <marburg> video group?
[05:01] <EightiesK> but it didn't work
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> EightiesK: maybe you may need to logout and log back in again on KDE
[05:01] <EightiesK> k
[05:01] <EightiesK> brb
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: probably, nfi
[05:01] <EightiesK> restarting xserver
[05:02] <Meg> so, now I have to find a way to disable my mousepad. any ideas?
[05:03] <hatake_kakashi> Meg: disable your what? mousepad? umm, isn't that the thing that your mouse is sitting on? lol
[05:03] <EightiesK> nothing
[05:04] <rich0rd> Meg: i think she ment her touchpad on the laptop
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> EightiesK: probably, the theme needs to be installed in the correct directory, that I have no idea
[05:04] <EightiesK> ...
[05:04] <EightiesK> :-(
[05:04] <rich0rd> the sesitivity is far too high, i already looked for a way to switch the sensibility down but ...
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: ahh laptop.. umm no idea, remap the link or something?
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> hmm
[05:05] <rich0rd> at the moment if i navigate my mouspointer over the screen it generates unwanted doubleclicks
[05:05] <Meg> ja, touchpad
[05:05] <Meg> very late it is..
[05:05] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I found out knoppixmame has built in support so that you can add roms, then it will make a fresh bootable ISO to burn, with all your roms on it
[05:05] <dcwckd> !nvidia
[05:05] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:06] <hatake_kakashi> there's various settings for mouse.. see if you can try and make each of them 'dud' (i.e. stupidfy them :))
[05:06] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: well, try that, it may work :)
[05:06] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: im goin for it, got to format this hard drive first, so that I can save the ISO it spits out :)
[05:07] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: yup, that's an affirmatory as a basic requirement you need to do that :)
[05:07] <Snake__> lol
[05:07] <Snake__> I gotta go find pants...
[05:07] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[05:08] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: that won't be as fun as reinstalling kubutu again because you made your current kubuntu literally unuseable :)
[05:09] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: Virtual drives are a magic sent from the heavens
[05:09] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: or you meant vmware -_-
[05:10] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: Na, MS Virtual PC, I paid for it, mine as well use it
[05:10] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: ah lol
[05:12] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: ever use it? Its really a neat program
[05:12] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: nope
[05:19] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: check it out one day, its a great way to screw with things and not mess up your main rig
[05:20] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: ping
[05:21] <EightiesK> !kbfx
[05:21] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, EightiesK
[05:21] <Snake__> mittens
[05:21] <Snake__> hehe
[05:21] <Snake__> that never gets old
[05:21] <EightiesK> how do you install kbfx?
[05:21] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: hey
[05:21] <Snake__> kbfx....thats aaaaa DM right?
[05:22] <EightiesK> its a kmenu replacement
[05:22] <Snake__> Ooo yes yes
[05:22] <Snake__> hmm
[05:22] <Snake__> no repos?
[05:22] <Snake__> apparently not
[05:22] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: i still have no sound on ibook now
[05:23] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: was it working on breezy?
[05:23] <Snake__> EightiesK: no im sorry, im not really sure
[05:23] <Snake__> :(
[05:24] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: hvaen't try on breezy . sometimes has ,
[05:25] <EightiesK> !wifi
[05:25] <ubotu> wifi is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:25] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: which version of the kernel are you running (on dapper)
[05:30] <freeflying-ibook> 2.6.15-15-powerpc
[05:31] <robotgeek> i think that's what i have on my machine too
[05:31] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: maybe just file a bug
[05:31] <robotgeek> maybe crimsun can help
[05:32] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: why  there are problems with 2.6.15-powerpc
[05:34] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: there was a regression bug, i think. however, i think it has been fixed as sound works for me. it was working for me on breezy, however. i have a feeling that yours might be a new bug
[05:36] <djzn> you know what is missing in kubuntu... a kde network applet status
[05:36] <djzn> is there any package on that matter?????
[05:37] <rich0rd> superkaramba with some applet?
[05:38] <djzn> is there such thing?
[05:39] <hatake_kakashi> !superkaramba
[05:39] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[05:41] <Hobbsee> djzn: kwifimanger
[05:41] <Snake__> superkaramba is amazing
[05:41] <Hobbsee> apart from that, there is one in kde3.5.1, but i didnt think too much of it
[05:41] <Snake__> Hobbsee: just let him get sk ;)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <Hobbsee> well once you find a nice applet for that in sk, then tell me about it, cos i'd like to see it!
[05:42] <djzn> wait
[05:42] <Snake__> Hobbsee: I got one
[05:42] <djzn> SK is an applet?
[05:43] <rich0rd> no it is a phyton application
[05:43] <Snake__> djzn: sk run things called "Themes" which is like widgets
[05:43] <djzn> yes....
[05:43] <djzn> and?
[05:43] <Snake__> djzn: there are tons of moniter "Themes"
[05:43] <djzn> is there a ready package for kubuntu?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> what's it called Snake__
[05:43] <Snake__> Hobbsee: im gettin lin
[05:43] <Snake__> k
[05:44] <Snake__> djzn: check adept
[05:44] <hatake_kakashi> I wonder if it is possible to first install Kubuntu Hoary CD and then install Ubuntu Hoary CD, so that I get both WM/DE?
[05:44] <djzn> coz everytime I try to compile something in kubuntu, it gets errors
[05:44] <Snake__> djzn: you need the packages to complie then
[05:44] <hatake_kakashi> !build-essential
[05:44] <ubotu> I heard build-essential is a meta package for software building see !gcc for more info
[05:44] <Snake__> Hobbsee: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=34774
[05:44] <Snake__> check that
[05:45] <Snake__> Hobbsee: it takes a little setting up in the script, but its definatly a cool theme
[05:45] <Snake__> and its all explained
[05:45] <Hobbsee> ok
[05:46] <Snake__> Hobbsee: while your there, dont forget to get my theme
[05:47] <Snake__> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=34503
[05:47] <Snake__> :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:49] <Snake__> lol
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:51] <Hobbsee> oh it should...it did before
[05:52] <Snake__> yea well ive herd of what a wasteland dapper is......
[05:52] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  does SK work under Dapper at the moment?  There are some inconsistencies with SK and 3.5.1 on some widgets right now
[05:53] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - i dont remember tryign with 3.5.1
[05:53] <Snake__> kkathman: like what
[05:53] <kkathman> for instance, Liquid Weather balks now...but I think there is a new fix for it
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[05:59] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  the new release fixed the 3.5.1 probs
[05:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:59] <kkathman> at least in LWP
[06:00] <djzn> i know of build essential
[06:00] <djzn> but that's the point
[06:00] <djzn> i have it
[06:00] <djzn> and it wont compile
[06:00] <djzn> even with devs and libs
[06:01] <djzn> -dev's
[06:01] <djzn> everything
[06:01] <kkathman> djzn what wont compile?
[06:01] <djzn> KDE stuff
[06:01] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: thanks for the input, going to give this thing a go
[06:05] <xored> what modprobe to load for hda intel soudn chipsets ?
[06:07] <crimsun> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:09] <xored> crimsun: do not have that modprob
[06:09] <crimsun> xored: ?
[06:09] <xored> i compiled my own kernel
[06:09] <xored> 15er
[06:09] <kkathman> lol you'd better :)
[06:09] <kkathman> hehe
[06:09] <xored> maybe i forget to build it in as a module ?
[06:10] <crimsun> if you don't have it, then yes, you forgot to modularise it.
[06:10] <xored> i just recompiled to get rid of the build in also, so that i can load a "new" also driver ? or must i do it that as "also" module, not keep it away ?#
[06:10] <crimsun> kubuntu's kernel is as modularised as possible
[06:10] <xored> but crimsun i tryied to compile the current also drivers and he fails with : you got "also as build in kernel"
[06:11] <crimsun> xored: grep CONFIG_SND /boot/config-$(uname -r) |head -1
[06:12] <xored> crimsun: i completeyl not compiled alsa
[06:12] <crimsun> xored: ...then you need to compile it externally
[06:12] <xored> becvause i thought i do not have to / not may, because of compiling the current alsa driver myself
[06:13] <xored> crimsun: i compiled the alsa driver, but how to isntall the modprobe then ?
[06:13] <crimsun> xored: did you configure, make, and make install?
[06:13] <xored> yes
[06:14] <trooper00> should be as easy as modprobe alsa
[06:14] <crimsun> so now depmod -e
[06:14] <crimsun> (there's no 'alsa.ko')
[06:14] <xored> and no ?
[06:14] <xored> and now ?=
[06:14] <crimsun> now sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:14] <xored> hehe
[06:14] <xored> there ist its :9
[06:14] <xored> thank you alot
[06:15] <xored> what makes frpomof -r ?
[06:15] <xored> sorry
[06:15] <xored> what makes depmod -e ?
[06:15] <crimsun> xored: it rebuilds the module dependencies files
[06:15] <xored> crimsun: he failed on load
[06:15] <xored> he could not find
[06:15] <xored> /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-insrtall
[06:16] <Snake__> robotgeek: you here?
[06:16] <robotgeek> yes Snake__
[06:16] <Snake__> robotgeek: any sucess in getting our patch in?
[06:16] <crimsun> xored: um...why did you compile alsa to begin with?
[06:16] <robotgeek> Snake__: i havent found jjesse yet
[06:16] <xored> crimsun: need the newst one cause of sound problems
[06:17] <Snake__> robotgeek: ugh, alrighty
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[06:17] <crimsun> xored: did you follow my instructions on the wiki?
[06:17] <xored> crimsun: the new release has a ton of hda fixes
[06:17] <xored> yes
[06:17] <Snake__> robotgeek: is (s)he the only one that can/will submit it??
[06:17] <xored> exactly that one
[06:17] <xored> crimsun: i did
[06:17] <xored> but
[06:17] <xored> one second
[06:17] <robotgeek> Snake__: for kde, he is the the only one i guess
[06:17] <crimsun> xored: if you did, then why did you compile a new kernel _and_ a new ALSA driver?
[06:17] <kkathman> still waiting :(
[06:17] <Snake__> robotgeek: thats a bit stupid
[06:17] <xored> new kernel for suspend 2 crimsun
[06:18] <crimsun> forehead -> desk
[06:18] <robotgeek> Snake__: i am asking someone else
[06:18] <Snake__> Alright, robotgeek wern't you trying to get upload access?
[06:19] <xored> crimsun: why did you asked ?
[06:19] <crimsun> xored: because you took the long way around.
[06:19] <robotgeek> Snake__: i need to become a member for that
[06:19] <xored> crimsun: there are a lot of bugs with the 0.9er also drivers
[06:19] <crimsun> xored: "0.9er"?
[06:19] <Snake__> robotgeek: well become a damn member :P
[06:19] <robotgeek> heh, i am applying
[06:19] <Haalbert> it's in german!!
[06:20] <xored> crimsun: so i compiled alsa-driver-1.0.10 and alsa libs, oss and utils
[06:20] <Haalbert> why is kubuntu in german?
[06:20] <Haalbert> why not also in english?!
[06:20] <crimsun> xored: why not just use Dapper Flight 3?
[06:20] <xored> crabstic: omg, i tryied to load it as normal user..
[06:20] <Snake__> Haalbert: it is in englishm its in quite a lot of languages
[06:20] <JasonF> 1.5 beta++
[06:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone can help me fixing kaffeine?
[06:20] <JasonF> Koffice w/OD support is good
[06:20] <xored> crimsun: cause i need to reinstall the whole system .  ?
[06:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i dunno why it can't play anything..
[06:21] <crimsun> xored: no, you could have dist-upgraded to Dapper
[06:21] <JasonF> hiya crimsun, I'm going to install kubuntu!
[06:21] <Haalbert> Snake__: http://kubuntu.org/special-cds.php <-- do they lie?
[06:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how do you evalueate Koffice against OpenOffice?
[06:21] <crimsun> JasonF: oh dear
[06:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> JasonF: That was for you :)
[06:21] <Snake__> Haalbert: lemme see
[06:21] <JasonF> Don't call me dear in public, crimsun :)
[06:21] <xored> crimsun: ok, shoudl have too...but i got it now
[06:21] <xored> crimsun: what mixer do i need to unmute channekls ?
[06:22] <crimsun> xored: any.
[06:22] <JasonF> Tallia1Kubuntu: I am an OpenDocument Fellowship press guy, so any OD support in a new app is greeeat
[06:22] <crimsun> xored: e.g., alsamixer, kmix, amixer, aumix, ...
[06:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> OD?
[06:22] <Snake__> Haalbert: Ahhh that was just released, thats why, the english version has been out for a while, would you like a link to the english?
[06:22] <xored> crimsun: i started kmix, and there is no current mixer to choose
[06:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> JasonF: and OD is in Koffice?
[06:22] <JasonF> Tallia1Kubuntu: we in fact had a demo up at Scale 4x, the same OpenDocument file opened in OO.org and the 1.5b of KOffice
[06:22] <crimsun> xored: so quit kmix and use alsamixer
[06:23] <Haalbert> Snake__: oh, really?
[06:23] <trooper00> Haalbert: of course its going to be in german if you download the german cd ;)
[06:23] <xored> crimsun: do i need to compile alsa-mixer ?
[06:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what about capabilities?
[06:23] <crimsun> xored: ...no
[06:23] <Haalbert> so the english version is out but they still give us the older breezy for download?!
[06:23] <Snake__> Haalbert: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/ theres the english releases, any of the live CDs will come with all that the german one does
[06:23] <xored> apt get ?
[06:23] <Meg5254> hi again
[06:23] <Meg5254> i have another question
[06:23] <JasonF> Tallia1Kubuntu: haven't worked on koffice enough to know
[06:23] <JasonF> brb, installing
[06:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> there's the same amount of tools?
[06:23] <xored> crimsun: can i use the one form reps ?
[06:23] <Haalbert> trooper00: no, i don't like the german version (or any other nationalistic version of (k)ubuntu)
[06:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like drawing.. math.. xl..
[06:24] <Meg5254> where do i put a bash script when i want it to start when i boot my computer?
[06:24] <xored> crimsun: ok its allready installed, my fault
[06:24] <Haalbert> Snake__: thank you.
[06:24] <xored> crimsun: alsamixer : function snd_ctl_open failed or default : No such device
[06:25] <trooper00> Haalbert: i only used the cd once and tossed it.. anything sitting around on cd is going to be out of date almost immediately anyways
[06:25] <Haalbert> btw, is the new dapper installer / live cd almost ready?
[06:27] <xored> crimsun: sorry if iam disturbing you
[06:28] <xored> crimsun: but this howto is minimalistic , and the forum do not help me with that steps
[06:28] <crimsun> xored: sigh. It's difficult to help you when you've introduced so many other variables into the equation.
[06:29] <xored> crimsun: just one question : is the alsmixer copiled with the drivers / libs or is it the old version of my old als driver
[06:29] <xored> crimsun:  and therefore not working
[06:30] <xored> crimsun: i rebooted and its working now..
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys.. i need a help in compiling KINO the video editor for KDE
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried the version 0.6.x but i can import only in DV format
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need instead to import from mpeg avi.... and this is only in version0.8
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to download it from debian repositories and install it by dpkg but it didn't work
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to compile but i have the following errors
[06:33] <xored> crimsun: mp3s playing, but i do not here anything. i think i "unmuted" all channels..
[06:34] <crimsun> xored: pastebin: lspci -v ; lspci -nv
[06:35] <xored> crimsun: one second, going online with the laptop..
[06:36] <Haalbert> so do you mean the current official kubuntu breezy download is not similar to the first official kubuntu breezy download?
[06:36] <Haalbert> 
[06:36] <xored> crimsun: so iam back, sorry lost the last commands..could you repeat ?
[06:38] <bimberi> 16:34:39 <crimsun> xored: pastebin: lspci -v ; lspci -nv
[06:38] <xored> thank you
[06:39] <xored> !paste
[06:39] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:39] <bimberi> np :)
[06:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the problem is that require a libdv > 0.103 but in repositories there's only the version: woody
[06:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i come back from version woody of libdv to the breezy one?
[06:39] <robotgeek> Snake__: done
[06:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need the headers... and in reps there is code only for breezy version
[06:40] <xored> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8634
[06:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[06:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> libdv4-dev:
[06:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu>   Depends: libdv4 (=0.103-2ubuntu1) but 0.103-woody2 is to be installed
[06:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i resolv this? i need to come back to the ubuntu1 .. because otherwise i can't install source to compile kino
[06:42] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: perhaps disable the debian repos in your sources.list, then update and retry
[06:44] <Hobbsee> !repos
[06:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:45] <xored> crimsun: :/
[06:47] <Haalbert> anybody here? (other than me)
[06:47] <crimsun> xored: please be patient
[06:47] <trooper00> Tallia1Kubuntu: if it turns out you can't get the dependency from the repos, you could always just compile a copy of libdv yourself
[06:47] <JasonF> I just installed kubuntu, and it's only letting me set my resolution to 640x480
[06:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried that too
[06:47] <xored> crimsun: ofc
[06:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but it didn't work pretty well
[06:48] <xored> crimsun: iam deaktivted arts now..
[06:48] <JasonF> any ideas on setting it to full size?
[06:48] <bimberi> !resolution
[06:48] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:48] <bimberi> JasonF: ^^^
[06:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the problem is kubuntu is always the same
[06:49] <crimsun> xored: your pci ids have not been added to the driver
[06:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> GLIB and GTK
[06:49] <crimsun> xored: cat /proc/asound/cards
[06:49] <xored> one second
[06:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> libdv requires glib and i can't compile the new glib
[06:50] <xored> 0 [Intel          ] : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[06:50] <xored>                      HDA Intel at 0xb0000000 irq 19
[06:50] <Haalbert> Kubuntu has built a (German language) Live CD of Kubuntu Breezy with KDE 3.5.1 and KOffice 1.5 beta 1.
[06:50] <xored> crimsun: i ran alsaconf after loaded the module
[06:51] <xored> there is also a car0 in /proc/asound, with the id=intel etc
[06:52] <crimsun> xored: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[06:53] <xored> crimsun: thats my lsmod :http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8636
[06:53] <xored> Mixers:
[06:53] <xored> 0: Analog Devices AD1986A
[06:54] <xored> shoudl i use the digital one ?
[06:56] <xored> crimsun: just a beside question : should i test sound with amarok or xmms or something more "easier" to be sure its not an soft prob ( for example codec etc)
[06:58] <crimsun> I need to cross-check your codec.
[06:59] <xored> iam just here to serve :)
[06:59] <crimsun> xored: pastebin amixer output
[06:59] <maxtor> hii
[06:59] <xored> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8637
[07:01] <crimsun> xored: mute 'Headphone'
[07:01] <xored> k
[07:01] <xored> done
[07:02] <crimsun> no sound?
[07:02] <xored> nothing changed, no sound
[07:02] <xored> amarok, alsa
[07:02] <xored> (arts disabled completely)
[07:03] <xored> amarok->xiner->arts
[07:03] <crimsun> unmute Headphone and increase its level
[07:03] <xored> done ( 100%)
[07:04] <crimsun> hear anything?
[07:04] <xored> should i pluggin headfones( speakers nothing)
[07:05] <xored> crimsun: should i use amarok or xmms for testing ?
[07:05] <crimsun> xored: aplay
[07:06] <xored> nothing chnaged
[07:07] <xored> crimsun: can ubunutu play mp3 files from scratch ?
[07:07] <crimsun> no.
[07:07] <crimsun> did you compile 1.0.10 or 1.0.11rc3?
[07:07] <xored> 1.0.1
[07:07] <xored> 1.0.10
[07:08] <xored> what do i need for mp3 playing ? (as iam trying to play mp3s right now)
[07:08] <xored> i just want to avoid its an codec problem
[07:09] <crimsun> you need to use 1.0.11rc3
[07:10] <xored> ok..how to uninstall properly ?
[07:10] <xored> searching in lib/modeles/curkernel/.. ?
[07:10] <crimsun> just compile alsa-{driver,lib,utils} separately and install over what's there
[07:11] <xored> ok
[07:11] <xored> do i need all in the new versin
[07:11] <crimsun> yes
[07:11] <xored> or just the driver ?
[07:11] <xored> ok
[07:11] <JasonF> Why does firefox look somewhat strange in Kubuntu? It's like the menubar fonts aren't quite right
[07:11] <crimsun> gtk/qt skew
[07:12] <JasonF> yuck, any way to improve it?
[07:12] <crimsun> no idea, I don't use KDE
[07:16] <xored> crimsun: do i need to restart, or just modprobe - r hda-intel ?
[07:17] <trooper00> JasonF: i think if you goto the gtk styles and fonts and just hit apply or something.. i think i know the look you are describing
[07:18] <swim> hey folks is there anyway to find out what speed my ram is within the machine?
[07:19] <crimsun> xored: unload, reload
[07:19] <xored> ok
[07:19] <xored> but first compile all 4,right ?
[07:19] <rj_not_ajay> anyone ever concider changing the name of this distro
[07:19] <rj_not_ajay> i mean
[07:19] <rj_not_ajay> kubuntu
[07:19] <rj_not_ajay> its funnny to say
[07:21] <xored> crimsun: where is the load / unload script ?
[07:22] <xored> crimsun: making a rebbot, right back
[07:24] <PaperClip> hmm, how bout we change the name of this distro to... PaperClipOS!
[07:25] <PaperClip> or googleOS
[07:25] <PaperClip> even though they dont support us
[07:25] <swim> hey folks is there anyway to find out what speed my ram is within the machine?
[07:27] <xored> crimsun: ok rebooted, channels are all unmuted, amarok doesnt seem to give any sound
[07:27] <trooper00> swim: within the os? got me. that information is usually available in the bios though
[07:29] <xored> crimsun: installing codecs rigth now
[07:34] <freeflying-ibook> crimsun: hi
[07:34] <xored> crimsun: i installed all codecs, still now sound
[07:36] <crimsun> freeflying-ibook: hi
[07:37] <freeflying-ibook> crimsun: after freshinstall of dapper to ibook ,  no sound still
[07:38] <crimsun> freeflying-ibook: known issue with some ibooks, benc's working on it
[07:38] <EightiesK> !tvcard
[07:38] <ubotu> EightiesK: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:38] <freeflying-ibook> crimsun: sometims it can work
[07:38] <crimsun> xored: does /proc/asound/version confirm 1.0.11rc3?
[07:38] <EightiesK> any one know a place I can get a driver for my X- Capture card
[07:38] <EightiesK> I've had it since windows 95
[07:38] <EightiesK> =-o
[07:38] <crimsun> freeflying-ibook: I don't have hardware to test, sorry
[07:38] <xored> crimsun: yes
[07:39] <xored> 1.0.11rc3
[07:39] <xored> installed al gstream codecs and w32 codecs
[07:40] <xored> shoudl i activate arts again ?
[07:40] <crimsun> xored: then you'll need to revert to a fresh installation of breezy so we can step through it
[07:41] <crimsun> I'm very tired right now (it's 1:41 AM)
[07:41] <EightiesK> anyone?
[07:41] <xored> its 5:00 on my planet here :)
[07:41] <xored> crimsun: its ok ,thank you
[07:41] <xored> have a nice morning
[07:41] <xored> bye
[07:43] <Red_Herring> zZzZzZ
[07:44] <freeflying-ibook> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/31365
[07:44] <EightiesK> !capturecard
[07:44] <ubotu> EightiesK: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:47] <Red_Herring> you and your windmills...
[07:49] <crimsun> fir	frfree	?
[07:50] <ace> hi all
[07:50] <ace> !kdm
[07:50] <ubotu> ace: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:50] <Red_Herring> zZzZzZzZ
[07:50] <ace> !kdm
[07:50] <Red_Herring> man i need sleep
[07:50] <Red_Herring> well...
[07:51] <ace> that bot is funny...
[07:51] <Red_Herring> ya
[07:51] <Red_Herring> he is
[07:51] <ace> anyway
[07:51] <Red_Herring> !ubotu
[07:51] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[07:51] <Red_Herring> wha?
[07:51] <ace> yeah well. long story
[07:51] <Red_Herring> so ya come here when ya wake up?
[07:51] <ace> ah
[07:51] <Red_Herring> well,
[07:52] <Red_Herring> i gotta get up at 7
[07:52] <ace> because in my sleep
[07:52] <Red_Herring> and its 1 right now
[07:52] <ace> I am thinking things
[07:52] <ace> and then I wake up
[07:52] <Red_Herring> you sleep type?
[07:52] <ace> and then I need HELP
[07:52] <Red_Herring> oh
[07:52] <ace> heh heh
[07:52] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:52] <Red_Herring> lets hear it
[07:52] <ace> wha about u ?
[07:52] <Red_Herring> eh, i just cant get ta sleep
[07:52] <Red_Herring> and this soooooo beats reading that damn book
[07:52] <Red_Herring> bless me ultima
[07:52] <ace> obsessive compulsive asominac ?
[07:52] <Red_Herring> nah
[07:53] <Red_Herring> just a bit nervous
[07:53] <ace> wah ?
[07:53] <Red_Herring> valentine's day is tmrw
[07:53] <Red_Herring> i wanna impress this girl
[07:53] <ace> heh heh
[07:53] <Red_Herring> ;-)
[07:53] <ace> wonder if my valentime knows about kdm :-)
[07:53] <_sniff> it#s valentines day today
[07:53] <Red_Herring> and guess what!
[07:53] <crimsun> what the heck happened to my client?
[07:53] <ace> wa ?
[07:53] <Red_Herring> she knows a thing or to about computers!
[07:54] <ace> good for you !
[07:54] <Red_Herring> ya
[07:54] <Red_Herring> its a perfect match
[07:54] <Red_Herring> jk
[07:54] <ace> you know win4lin ?
[07:54] <Red_Herring> well
[07:54] <Red_Herring> ya
[07:54] <Red_Herring> but i havent used it
[07:54] <ace> okay i know it too
[07:54] <ace> i like it
[07:54] <Red_Herring> nice
[07:54] <ace> and it's needed for my project
[07:54] <Red_Herring> project?
[07:54] <ace> so, let's get that out of the way :-)
[07:54] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:55] <ace> project: installing 7 schools with 1 server and 8 thin clients...
[07:55] <ace> each.
[07:55] <Red_Herring> really? nice
[07:55] <ace> pretty cool
[07:55] <ace> look http://www.suares.an
[07:55] <Red_Herring> i wanna get that for my school
[07:55] <ace> click 'publicaties'
[07:55] <ace> and then download the pilot project document
[07:55] <ace> you might like it!
[07:55] <Red_Herring> huh
[07:55] <ace> most is in dutch but not that pdf
[07:56] <Red_Herring> where are you?
[07:56] <ace> www.curacao.com !
[07:56] <_sniff> peeps
[07:56] <ace> hi
[07:56] <Red_Herring> denmark?
[07:56] <ace> funnyu
[07:56] <ace> the caribbean!
[07:57] <Red_Herring> really?
[07:57] <_sniff> how can i get foreign file names to diplay correctly, it's really getting on my tits!?>
[07:57] <Red_Herring> _sniff, ok...
[07:57] <Red_Herring> that was odd
[07:57] <ace> ace: hello
[07:58] <Red_Herring> do you have the right character sets installed?
[07:58] <_sniff> to be honest i have no idea.... how might i check?
[07:58] <Red_Herring> to be honest
[07:58] <_sniff> i'm n00b btw
[07:58] <Red_Herring> i have no idea
[07:58] <_sniff> lol
[07:58] <ace> something with lc
[07:58] <ace> let me search
[07:58] <Red_Herring> i live in chicago, and never have any use for any characters but a-z
[07:58] <ace> !locales
[07:58] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, ace
[07:58] <Red_Herring> !locals
[07:58] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:59] <Red_Herring> !character-sets
[07:59] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[07:59] <ace> try dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:59] <ace> als I rememebr
[07:59] <Red_Herring> nice thinking
[07:59] <_sniff> what is "!character-sets" ?
[07:59] <ace> it gives you a list of countries/languages
[07:59] <ace> you want to generate something for
[07:59] <Red_Herring> well, foreing file names?
[08:00] <ace> just check all execpt hte japanes/big5/chinese
[08:00] <ace> you propbably will be on your way
[08:00] <ace> not sure though.
[08:00] <_sniff> mmm i need chinese and russian
[08:00] <ace> okay add that then :-)
[08:00] <ace> add all...
[08:00] <ace> and the !something
[08:00] <ace> i found out recently
[08:00] <Red_Herring> !somethign
[08:00] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:00] <ace> is asking a robot (!)
[08:00] <ace> to help you
[08:00] <ace> like
[08:00] <ace> !kernel
[08:00] <Red_Herring> !red_Herring
[08:00] <ubotu> Red_Herring: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:00] <_sniff> where do i do the ! commands?
[08:01] <Red_Herring> no
[08:01] <ace> just type !kernel
[08:01] <Red_Herring> "!"
[08:01] <Red_Herring> tells ubotu to look it up
[08:01] <ace> or !x
[08:01] <Red_Herring> !x
[08:01] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:01] <Red_Herring> !!
[08:01] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:01] <_sniff> where do i type "!character-sets"?
[08:01] <ace> just where you type your text now
[08:02] <ace> but it's only working in IRC
[08:02] <ace> has NOTHING to do with you linux installation
[08:02] <ace> there, you use
[08:02] <ace> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:02] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:02] <Red_Herring> dont type it in at the bash prompt
[08:02] <ace> I assume u use kubuntu
[08:02] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:02] <Red_Herring> ignore the !
[08:02] <Red_Herring> its just shorter than:
[08:02] <Red_Herring> ubotu, character-sets
[08:02] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:03] <Red_Herring> same effect
[08:03] <ace> the robot ignores me...
[08:03] <ace> ubotu, kernel
[08:03] <Red_Herring> ouch, harsh
[08:03] <Red_Herring> ubotu, kernel
[08:03] <ace> oh no
[08:03] <Red_Herring> wait...
[08:03] <ace> it's talking on a private channel with me
[08:03] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:03] <Red_Herring> NICE
[08:03] <ace> nah...
[08:03] <Red_Herring> it priv mesg me
[08:03] <ace> Red_Herring
[08:04] <Red_Herring> saying "someone just asked that 13 seconds ago"
[08:04] <ace> happen to know anything about kdm
[08:04] <ace> yeah
[08:04] <Red_Herring> well
[08:04] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:04] <ace> it did that to me to
[08:04] <ace> and then kept talking there
[08:04] <Red_Herring> ok... so about kdm
 unfortunately, kernel is disabled in my configuration
[08:04] <ace> yeah
[08:04] <ace> in gdm
[08:04] <ace> I can maken win4lin
[08:04] <ace> a full screen thing
[08:04] <ace> you log in
[08:04] <ace> and Bhaaammmmm! you get a full screen
[08:04] <ace> win98 session
[08:04] <Red_Herring> huh, yeah
[08:04] <ace> no linux at all
[08:05] <ace> Do you know if that can be done in kdm ?
[08:05] <Red_Herring> hmmmm
[08:05] <Red_Herring> why bother?
[08:05] <Red_Herring> if it works with GDM
[08:05] <Red_Herring> just stick with that
[08:05] <ace> yeah you might be right
[08:05] <Red_Herring> i mean, you can still run kde and all w/ gdm
[08:06] <ace> it's just that I did this whole trick at http://www.suares.an/Kubuntu_LTSP_Win4Lin
[08:07] <Red_Herring> well, you can install gdm from kubuntu, so that shouldnt be an issue...
[08:08] <Red_Herring> but i thought there were sources for the 2.6.11 kernel
[08:08] <ace> don't get me started on the kernel
[08:08] <Red_Herring> ok
[08:08] <Red_Herring> i wont
[08:08] <ace> 2.6.11 was never a production kernel
[08:09] <Red_Herring> i mean, i installed gentoo yesterday
[08:09] <ace> and 2.6.12 there are no win4lin patches for
[08:09] <ace> so
[08:09] <ace> this is what I came up with
[08:09] <Red_Herring> and totally chickend out on the kernel comp
[08:09] <ace> what made you afraid ?
[08:09] <Red_Herring> well
[08:10] <Red_Herring> i mean, i just didnt want to not include something
[08:10] <ace> gotta go in 5
[08:10] <Red_Herring> then end up desparatly needing it
[08:10] <ace> just try
[08:10] <Red_Herring> alright, i should sleep soon too
[08:10] <ace> and if it fails, try again
[08:10] <Red_Herring>  i know
[08:10] <ace> that's the learning process
[08:10] <ace> and yes
[08:10] <ace> there are too many options
[08:10] <ace> and you'll only learn by f*ing up a couple of times
[08:10] <Red_Herring> yeah...
[08:10] <ace> so don't worry
[08:10] <Red_Herring> gentoo has the genkernel
[08:10] <ace> it just takes so loooooong...
[08:11] <Red_Herring> and i tried that
[08:11] <Red_Herring> and i got the same menuconfig screen
[08:11] <ace> don't they give some default config
[08:11] <ace> the same they use to start the system in the first plac e?
[08:11] <Red_Herring> but its just when you run into a problem down the road
[08:11] <Red_Herring> its hard to point to where it is
[08:11] <Red_Herring> but if the problem lies in the kernel
[08:11] <ace> i don't think it works that way
[08:11] <Red_Herring> its unlikely i will catch it
[08:11] <ace> you either have a problem tight away
[08:12] <Red_Herring> well, i had a problem with the nvidia drivers
[08:12] <ace> like scsi driver missing -> no /dev/sda1
[08:12] <ace> and you should just build everything as modules
[08:12] <ace> whyen possible
[08:12] <Red_Herring> and i didnt realize that i forgot to compile the kernel with the right options
[08:12] <Red_Herring> ya, now i realize that
[08:13] <ace> in the old days
[08:13] <ace> I disabled moudles alltogehter
[08:13] <Haalbert> why is xml so much appreciated, considering how bulky it is?
[08:13] <ace> just took what  I needed
[08:13] <ace> made very small kernels
[08:13] <ace> can't really do that anymore
[08:13] <ace> too much options that I don't really understand...
[08:13] <Red_Herring> Haalbert, why is windows so appreciated, concidering how BULKY, INSTABLE, AND INSECURE it is
[08:14] <ace> goota go
[08:14] <Red_Herring> yeah, i was looking through the driver list
[08:14] <ace> nice talking to ya, Red_Herring !
[08:14] <Red_Herring> i did?
[08:14] <ace> wow
[08:14] <Red_Herring> ace, nice talking to you
[08:14] <ace> amazing huh ???
[08:14] <Red_Herring> i didnt know i could do that
[08:14] <Haalbert> i was disconnected. did i get any answer in the meantime?
[08:15] <Red_Herring> Red_Herring Haalbert, why is windows so appreciated, concidering how BULKY, INSTABLE, AND INSECURE it is
[08:15] <Haalbert> Red_Herring: nice answer. btw, are there any sane alternatives to xml?
[08:16] <Red_Herring> not that im aware of
[08:16] <Haalbert> Red_Herring: thanks
[08:16] <Red_Herring> no problem
[08:17] <Red_Herring> but im not aware of much
[08:17] <Red_Herring> so that line was practically worthless
[08:17] <Red_Herring> either way
[08:26] <Haalbert> which files on a dvd contain subtitles?
[09:06] <ark3qqq> Hi. I'm trying to compile some software. I'm getting errors like "stdlib.h: No such file or directory." What package(s) do I need to install?
[09:07] <ark3qqq> Or more generally, how do I get a sane environment for building stuff written in C?
[09:11] <_sniff> !character-enoding
[09:11] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _sniff
[09:12] <_sniff> grr
[09:12] <_sniff> peeps
[09:13] <Haalbert> which files on a dvd contain subtitles?
[09:13] <_sniff> i was told to do "!character-encoding" but where do i type this... in a terminal?
[09:17] <ubijtsa2> !character-encoding
[09:17] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, ubijtsa2
[09:17] <ubijtsa2> nah, the !commands are for here in the #
[09:21] <_sniff> so...
[09:21] <_sniff> what must i do so that filenames written using chinese/russian appear ok in konqueror?
[09:21] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: what'cha trying to do?
[09:21] <ubijtsa2> oh..
[09:22] <ubijtsa2> uhm, for me it just works, if using a UTF-8 font
[09:24] <ubijtsa2> I tinker with cyrillic on a semi-regular basis, and I get plenty of asian spam..
[09:32] <_sniff> at the moment i live in china, i have many chinese file names in my system
[09:32] <_sniff> i also have some russian music etc
[09:32] <_sniff> but all the filenames display as ??????
[09:35] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: which font do you use?
[09:35] <tijn> ubijtsa, do i know you?
[09:36] <ubijtsa2> tijn: dunno - do you? :)
[09:36] <tijn> well
[09:36] <tijn> are you @ tb2?
[09:36] <ubijtsa2> tb2 ??
[09:36] <tijn> nevermind :D i dont know you ;)
[09:36] <ubijtsa2> hehe
[09:37] <tijn> is your real name anders?
[09:37] <ubijtsa2> tijn: da, correct
[09:37] <tijn> because the ubitsa i know is named anders also :D
[09:37] <tijn> haha
[09:37] <tijn> according to your host
[09:38] <ubijtsa2> well... :)
[09:38] <ubijtsa2> I have probably made myself well impopular on a lot of mailing lists by now :)
[09:39] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: I use Courier New in my yakuake/konsole, and that displays the chars good
[09:39] <ubijtsa2> tijn: so where would you know me from? :)
[09:40] <tijn> Torrentbytes
[09:40] <tijn> the ubitsa i know was a linux dude too :D
[09:40] <ubijtsa2> must be a different guy...
[09:40] <tijn> think so :D
[09:40] <tijn> wow, Eterm is nice
[09:41] <ubijtsa2> but the odds of two anders karlsson using 'ubijtsa' as nick/handle is quite small
[09:41] <tijn> yes indeed
[09:41] <tijn> karlsson not i think
[09:41] <tijn> Anders only :)
[09:42] <ubijtsa2> heh, Anders is a common name in .se :)
[09:42] <tijn> ah ic
[09:43] <tijn> ubitsa inst :)
[09:43] <ubijtsa2> ubijtsa is a russian word (in latin script)
[09:44] <tijn> aah
[09:44] <_sniff> so what do i have to change so they display in konqueror ok? In suse the foreign names work fine in kde
[09:45] <tijn> what does it mean?
[09:45] <ubijtsa2>  - killer, assassin
[09:45] <tijn> ah
[09:45] <tijn> cant read those chars btw
[09:46] <ubijtsa2> a very tedious link to my preference of character to play in NeverWinter Nights :)
[09:46] <_sniff> i can see the characters and read them
[09:46] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: then you probably use UTF-8 :)
[09:48] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: you probably need to change the font, that should be all. if you currently use a font that is latin only, it can't display the cyrrilic/chinese
[09:48] <ubijtsa2> cyrillic even
[09:48] <ubijtsa2> hmm, I seem to use Arial in Konqueror
[09:49] <_sniff> dejavu sans?
[09:49] <ubijtsa2> it copes with russian at least
[09:49] <ubijtsa2> that _may_ work. let me check
[09:50] <ubijtsa2> yeah, works for me
[09:50] <_sniff> it doesn't work for me
[09:50] <_sniff> what do i do to use utf8?
[09:51] <ubijtsa2> hmm.. in Breezy that should be automatic
[09:51] <_sniff> yeah it's brezzy
[09:51] <_sniff> breezy
[09:51] <_sniff> maybe i need to install aother language?
[09:51] <_sniff> although in kde I have english and chinese installed
[09:53] <ubijtsa2> in kde, I have british english set as my locale
[09:53] <ubijtsa2> other than that, all I have changed is fonts
[09:54] <_sniff> where do u change the fonts?
[09:56] <ubijtsa2> kde menu - System Settings -
[09:56] <ubijtsa2> then Appearance
[09:56] <ubijtsa2> and Fonts
[10:08] <ubijtsa2> http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/8478/desktop1vn1co.jpg  <-- Oooooh.. Shiny!
[10:09] <ubijtsa2> kde4 (mock-up) that makes me want it - now darn-it!
[10:13] <darkblue> anyone here know of a good guide/help on setting up 3 monitors on Kubuntu?
[10:22] <ubijtsa2> darkblue: as in Xinerama ?
[10:24] <darkblue> yeah, xinerama
[10:25] <ubijtsa2> hm..
[10:25] <darkblue> cant find anything on the net about it
[10:26] <darkblue> and have been trying for days now
[10:26] <ubijtsa2> http://lenin.trudheim.com/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Trudheim/DellXineramaGX280  <- might give you enough to go on
[10:26] <darkblue> thanks, i'll have a look
[10:27] <ubijtsa2> it won't tell you how to do three screens, but you should be able to work out how to from there
[10:27] <ubijtsa2> essentially, you have to tell X about your three devices, and your three screens, and then tell it how the layout is
[10:29] <darkblue> yeah, thanks
[10:43] <_mindspin> hi, after upgrading to breezy on a thinkpad 600x the performance is not like on hoarey, has nayone an idea to increase performance?
[10:46] <keqiuguang> hi
[10:46] <keqiuguang> anyone cam install maplestory into their computer?
[10:46] <keqiuguang> can
[10:46] <keqiuguang> i mean
[10:48] <keqiuguang> hey
[10:48] <keqiuguang> is anyone goin to answer ny Q
[10:48] <mornfall> is that a metaquestion?
[10:51] <Ilokaasu> does anyone know good program for editing videos @ linux...adding music& other effects would be nice
[10:52] <eder> hi
[10:52] <tijn> well kino should be nice
[10:53] <eder> i'm brazilian and do not understand english very well
[10:53] <eder> i'm have a problem
[10:54] <eder> i work "apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[10:54] <Ilokaasu> tijn i've heard that it doesnt support like avis etc
[10:54] <Ilokaasu> only dv straight from recorder
[10:54] <tijn> ah ic
[10:54] <tijn> cinneralle?
[10:54] <eder> and apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird-locale-pt-br
[10:55] <tijn> cinnerella :S something like that
[10:55] <Ilokaasu> does that have effect adding features etc ?
[10:55] <tijn> think so, its know as a pro tool
[10:55] <tijn> not sure, i dont edit
[10:56] <eder> darl.. nb
[10:56] <Ilokaasu> ok i test it
[10:56] <tijn> k
[10:58] <tijn> who knows a nice wifi app, so i can scan and use wep keys?
[11:00] <_sniff> tijn: i would like to know the same thing
[11:00] <tijn> ah
[11:00] <tijn> :)
[11:00] <_sniff> i got kde running, if you install Suse they have all kinds of realy cool apps that novell made for it
[11:02] <vvatsa> tijn: will kwifimanager not do?
[11:03] <tijn> well, it does
[11:03] <tijn> but i wanna see if its encrypted, and what ip the network uses
[11:03] <vvatsa> iwconfig
[11:04] <_sniff> i can't find iwconfig in adept
[11:04] <_sniff> ...
[11:04] <vvatsa> should just have it, its command line tool
[11:04] <tijn> i know, but there are multiple networks
[11:04] <tijn> and i wanna see what ip each net uses
[11:05] <_sniff> also what about the best torrent client?
[11:05] <vvatsa> tijn: well you can't see the network topology untill you join the network I think.
[11:05] <tijn> vvatsa, affraid so
[11:05] <tijn> ok in that case kwifimanager is ok
[11:05] <tijn> _sniff, bittornado
[11:06] <tijn> also, try freeloader, better grfx
[11:07] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: iwconfig is part of the wireless tools
[11:08] <ubijtsa2> "wireless-tools" to be precise
[11:15] <_sniff> how do i mount /dev/dha5    a fat32 partition then format it with reiser and mount it as /home?
[11:16] <hatake_kakashi> you have to format it, then mount it, or you can edit fstab and then mount it (which makes it easier)
[11:16] <_sniff> also what is ktorrent like?
[11:16] <hatake_kakashi> never tried it
[11:18] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi:  hi!
[11:18] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: hi again
[11:18] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: sounds good, i will follow what you advise
[11:18] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: what should be my first step?
[11:18] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: ok, but make sure you have backed up your data somewhere first before attempting it
[11:19] <_sniff> yeah
[11:19] <_sniff> its all ok
[11:19] <_sniff> hey which is better ReiserFS or Reiser4?
[11:20] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: you need to make sure that the partition/disk you want to format it is not mounted
[11:20] <hatake_kakashi> So far I've heard claims that Reiser4 is not that great
[11:20] <_sniff> yeah
[11:20] <_sniff> ok
[11:20] <_sniff> hang on i think i just figured it out in system settings
[11:20] <ita> hi all .. im getting a kubuntu 5.10 install cd burned at the very moment... im about to switch to kubuntu today .. (running fc3 atm) .. is there anything you might want to tell me about... lets say .. help me NOT to get in all the 5 standard traps everyone gets into .. or is it easy as 1-2-3 and i will be back online in like 2 hours ? :))
[11:21] <_sniff> what are the probs with reiser4?
[11:21] <_sniff> ita: if your install goes well you should be back online in less than an hour
[11:23] <_sniff> ita: I can only advise that when the installation is complete you open up adept and get "usbmount" installed for auto mounting/unmounting of usb discks
[11:24] <Haalbert> ita: do you use dhcp for your internet access?
[11:25] <ita> thank you i will .. since im on a lan i will have no hassle with dialup or anything .. last question : i have an ati gfx board .. can/should i use drivers from ati.com or is there something i should know ?
[11:25] <ita> no i have fixed ip
[11:25] <Haalbert> ita: but you know how to setup your network, right?
[11:26] <ita> hopefully yes
[11:26] <Haalbert> ita: then you should be back online in almost certainly not more than one hour.
[11:26] <_sniff> what is your standard screen res ita?
[11:26] <Haalbert> ita: just do an ifconfig (as root) before leaving
[11:26] <ita> 1280 1024
[11:27] <_sniff> ah that should be fine
[11:27] <_sniff> i had probs with widescreen
[11:29] <_sniff> to mount my new /home partition, what options do i set, do i use noauto? or just defaults?
[11:30] <skypa> defaults should do the job
[11:30] <_sniff> alright
[11:30] <ita> ok i did a "more /etc/resolv.conf" .. a "ifconfig" and a "route" .. i printed all that .. cd is finished ... im excited .. i think its time for Kubuntu!
[11:30] <skypa> use noauto if you don't want it to be mounted at boot time
[11:30] <_sniff> dp i allow executables?
[11:30] <skypa> defaults includes exec, yes
[11:30] <_sniff> ah
[11:31] <ubijtsa2> ita: just be aware that root does not get a password set in the install.. use sudo once install is done
[11:31] <_sniff> allow suid and sgid attribs?
[11:31] <skypa> oh, I'm not sure .. but I'd say yes
[11:32] <tijn> or sudo passwd root
[11:33] <_sniff> how do i unmount a driv
[11:33] <_sniff> partition?
[11:33] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: umount
[11:33] <_sniff> mmm simple
[11:33] <skypa> sure is :)
[11:34] <_sniff> bash: unmount: command not found
[11:34] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: use 'umount'
[11:34] <ubijtsa2> only one 'n' in 'umount' :)
[11:34] <_sniff> ah!
[11:35] <_sniff> now how do i format said partition?
[11:36] <skypa> mkfs.[fileystem]  /dev/hdx
[11:36] <_sniff> filesystem = reiserfs?
[11:36] <ubijtsa2> mkreiserfs
[11:36] <ubijtsa2> I think
[11:36] <skypa> close
[11:36] <skypa> mkfs.reiserfs
[11:36] <ubijtsa2> they've created the alias then..
[11:37] <ubijtsa2> shows how long ago I used reiser :)
[11:37] <skypa> never used it.. although I got tired of ext3 more than one time
[11:37] <skypa> maybe I give xfs a try
[11:37] <_sniff> what u use now ubjita?
[11:38] <_sniff> skypa: what fs u use?
[11:38] <skypa> ext3
[11:38] <_sniff> WHY NOT REISER?
[11:38] <_sniff> skypa: why not reiser?
[11:38] <hatake_kakashi> different fs has their advantages/disadvantages
[11:38] <skypa> well, reiser is still not allowed in the kernel.. and that makes me think :p
[11:38] <ubijtsa2> skypa: reiser3 is in the kernel
[11:38] <_sniff> yes definately
[11:39] <ubijtsa2> reiser4 isn't yet
[11:39] <skypa> well, 4 isn't
[11:39] <_sniff> reiser4 still has bugs
[11:39] <_sniff> i checked on the net
[11:39] <_sniff> skypa: why not use reiser? is ext 3 better?
[11:39] <ubijtsa2> reiser3 is good for loads of small files, or a few huge ones. if you have a mix, you are better off with ext3 iirc
[11:39] <skypa> just a sec, my cell is ringing
[11:39] <hatake_kakashi> can someone please pass the very first line of their kubuntu sources.list file? 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list| head -1'
[11:40] <ubijtsa2> if you have a news-spool, you may want to use reiser on that
[11:40] <tijn> hatake_kakashi, #Sources for apt
[11:40] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[11:40] <hatake_kakashi> skypa: reiser uses a b*tree filesystem, its good with smaller sized single files, however with bigger chunks of files it does not perform that particularly well
[11:40] <hatake_kakashi> thanks _sniff
[11:40] <hatake_kakashi> tijn: lol that looks like a modded one
[11:40] <tijn> ;)
[11:41] <_sniff> :D
[11:41] <ubijtsa2> reiser is also a PITA to fix when it goes wrong
[11:42] <_sniff> reiser 3 is the filesystem of choice for suse, lindows, ftosx, libranet, xandros and yoper
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> yeh.. I have used it
[11:44] <ubijtsa2> I used it very early on, before it became the default in SuSE
[11:44] <RoccoBG> Hi
[11:44] <_sniff> hmm how do i get /home on / to my newly created /home partition
[11:44] <_sniff> ?
 skypa: why not use reiser? is ext 3 better? <-- I have no idea really, I used ext2 a couple of years ago in my first linux installation and sticked with it
[11:44] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: you have to edit fstab and then set the mountpoint as such
[11:44] <RoccoBG> Can you guys tell me which release of Kubuntu I should go for? Im looking at Dapper Drake but wasnt sure why it wasnt on the download page.
[11:44] <_sniff> reiser with an ordered journal is quick
[11:44] <hatake_kakashi> ext3 is more or less the linux standard fs
[11:44] <_sniff> i got it mounted
[11:45] <RoccoBG> Im a beginner who needs stable OS to start with
[11:45] <_sniff> but when i go to home in konqueror it says "The file or folder /home/sniff does not exist."
[11:45] <skypa> !dapper
[11:45] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. Be warned that it's not yet stable so if you must use it please help out with testing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing.
[11:45] <_sniff> RoccoBG: you don't want windows then
[11:45] <skypa> @ RoccoBG
[11:45] <RoccoBG> Ah I see
[11:45] <skypa> !breezy
[11:45] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:46] <RoccoBG> thanks skypa
[11:46] <skypa> so, just grab the breezy release and you should good to go :)
[11:46] <hatake_kakashi> bah.. anyone on Kubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog)?
[11:46] <RoccoBG> A new user join the Linux community :P
[11:46] <hatake_kakashi> RoccoBG: you on Hoary?
[11:46] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: when i go to home in konqueror it says "The file or folder /home/sniff does not exist."
[11:47] <RoccoBG> No I dont have any Linux at the moment.
[11:47] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: you need to first mount it, when mounted you can see it
[11:47] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi:  so i guess i need to get the contents copied from / .... right?
[11:47] <RoccoBG> I will be formating and dual booting with Windows
[11:47] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: no no, check to see if its mounted first
[11:47] <hatake_kakashi> RoccoBG: ahh ok.. and I presume you don't even have the disc for 5.04?
[11:47] <skypa> just take your time RoccoBG, there's a lot to learn and understand :)
[11:47] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi:  how i check if it's mounted?
[11:48] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: type 'mount' to see if its there
[11:48] <RoccoBG> My task is to creat a usable and frendly Linux enviourment to use on day to day basis. Have Windows as a back up so if I get stuck with something I can always go and check online help.
[11:48] <_sniff> RoccoBG: during the install of ubuntu take the option NOT to put the bootloader in the MBR, put it on the / partition
[11:48] <RoccoBG> And leave a few GB for playing games occasinally
[11:48] <RoccoBG> Ok
[11:49] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: /dev/hda5 on /home type reiserfs (rw,nodev)
[11:50] <_sniff> also in my install there is a bug, when i tell it to put the bootloader on the / partition it has a fatal error. But if I go back and do it again it works
[11:50] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: ok try opening konqueror and point to /home instead of /home/_sniff for example
[11:50] <RoccoBG> There is a frend who is coming to give me a few hints while doing it myself. He is quite experienced with it. Not Kubuntu particually but he agreed its a great beginners choice.
[11:50] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: hmm
[11:51] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: it has the sniff folder inside. But i click it it tells me the folder doesn't seem to exist anymore
[11:51] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: so under /home you can see _sniff but when you click on it, it says its not available?
[11:51] <_sniff> yep!
[11:51] <_sniff> but that's probably because before the home dir was inside / partition
[11:52] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: wait.. so after you formatted to reiserfs, you mounted it and copied the contents from / to /home?
[11:53] <ita> well ... i will install kubuntu -NOW- .. wish me luck :) ciao for now
[11:53] <_sniff> no not copied yet
[11:53] <skypa> _sniff, would you mind doing a "ls -lha /home/_sniff"
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: so the data is on the / directory
[11:53] <skypa> I'm curious what the rights on that directory are
[11:54] <hatake_kakashi> I don't think its the issue about permissions, otherwise it would say Access Denie
[11:54] <hatake_kakashi> s/Denie/Denied
[11:54] <skypa> hm, true..
[11:56] <hatake_kakashi> maybe Konqueror does caching? like you may have visited that partition/disk before whilst it was mounted as a vfat type of fs. When you unmounted, formatted and mounted it again, Konqueror still thinks the file is there?
[11:56] <hatake_kakashi> either that or maybe you tried formatting it whilst its mounted (not ideal imo(
[11:56] <_sniff> sniff@ubuntu:~$ ls -lha /home/sniff
[11:56] <_sniff> ls: /home/sniff: No such file or directory
[11:58] <hatake_kakashi> anyone who was on Hoary Hedgehog (5.04) for Kubuntu?
[11:58] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: i made sure it was unmounted, infact it wouldnt let me format while mounted
[11:59] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: that's what I thought, ok, well I assume there is nothing on the /home part, move your data from / to /home
[11:59] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: what is the command for this?
[12:03] <kwewu14> if i want to use the latest kde with ubuntu, should i install ubuntu or kubuntu cd?
[12:04] <ubijtsa2> kubuntu
[12:04] <kwewu14> ok, thanks.
[12:04] <ubijtsa2> and there are some repositories ar kubuntu.org to get KDE 3.5.1
[12:05] <ubijtsa2> s/ar/at/
[12:05] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: mv /<foo> /home (where foo = the folder that you want to move)
[12:05] <kwewu14> ok, if i install from the kubuntu cd, should i be here for support or #ubuntu? or both?
[12:06] <ubijtsa2> kwewu14: if kde related, probably best here
[12:06] <ubijtsa2> if the underlying bits, don't matter which channel :)
[12:10] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: i'm going to be doing mv /home /home    so how can this work?
[12:11] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: you have to move file/folder from / directory except for /home because your destination is /home. So move the appropriate one
[12:11] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: I hope you did not backup your data on your / as /home prior to unmounting
[12:11] <hatake_kakashi> Was there anyone running on Hoary Hedgehog?
[12:12] <_sniff> when i installed i created only one partition (=/) so this was used for my /home
[12:12] <tijn> Hoerig stekelvarken :D
[12:12] <skypa> what would be the default $QTDIR be in kubuntu?
[12:13] <Tm_T> skypa: echo $QTDIR ?
[12:13] <Tm_T> whoops, nothing
[12:13] <Tm_T> then it must be /usr
[12:14] <skypa> :D
[12:14] <Tm_T> atleast I think so
[12:16] <_sniff> what is the delete command/
[12:16] <_sniff> ?
[12:16] <_mindspin> rm
[12:16] <_sniff> how about kill directories?
[12:17] <hatake_kakashi> same
[12:17] <hatake_kakashi> rm -r
[12:18] <ubijtsa2> or rmdir if dir is empty
[12:20] <_sniff> how about a make directory?
[12:20] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: mkdir
[12:20] <_sniff> oh dear i think my entire install has been thrashed
[12:21] <_sniff> my only chance...
[12:21] <_sniff> what about the command to make a new user?
[12:21] <hatake_kakashi> adduser or useradd
[12:21] <_sniff> look at this!!#
[12:21] <tijn> libdvdcss isnt in de sources?
[12:21] <_sniff> sniff@ubuntu:~$ sudo adduser
[12:21] <_sniff> sudo: cannot get working directory
[12:22] <_sniff> oh shit
[12:22] <_sniff> the end of the world for me
[12:22] <hatake_kakashi> check with 'echo $PWD'
[12:23] <closeasperil> hi!
[12:23] <hatake_kakashi> hi
[12:23] <_sniff> i think i delete the roots home dir
[12:24] <_sniff> thats so gay
[12:24] <closeasperil> would anyone be so kind to help me with a simple question conderning proftp config?
[12:24] <closeasperil> concerning
[12:24] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: err.. you are not going to tell me you removed the wrong folders/files under / ?
[12:24] <tijn> hehe
[12:24] <_sniff> i removed /home
[12:24] <tijn> sniffer
[12:24] <_sniff> now sudo gives me errors
[12:24] <_sniff> hehehehe
[12:25] <hatake_kakashi> closeasperil: have you tried #proftpd first? I never tried proftpd
[12:25] <tijn> you removed /home?
[12:25] <_sniff> my sniff dir in /home has the owner set to root
[12:25] <_sniff> yeah i removed /home
[12:25] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: you could have simply chown it
[12:25] <_sniff> i need to reclaim my sniff dir
[12:25] <_sniff> that's a bit late now, and i ain't got a clue incase you didn't realize!"
[12:26] <closeasperil> hatake_kakashi: well actually i ment proftpd :P
[12:26] <_sniff> how do i hange the owener from root to sniff on /home/sniff
[12:26] <_sniff> ?
[12:27] <hatake_kakashi> closeasperil: yeah I noticed, its a daemon, like I said, I had little experience in configuring one, and I belive there is a channel on the network
[12:27] <closeasperil> hatake_kakashi: its a general question more or less anyway...
[12:27] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: sudo chown -R sniff:sniff /home
[12:27] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: chown _sniff /home/_sniff
[12:27] <ubijtsa2> ah, s/_//
[12:27] <hatake_kakashi> closeasperil: about proftpd? mmh
[12:28] <closeasperil> TimeoutNoTransfer 600
[12:28] <closeasperil> TimeoutStalled 100
[12:28] <closeasperil> TimeoutIdle 2200
[12:28] <_sniff> sniff@ubuntu:~$ sudo chown -R sniff:sniff /home
[12:28] <_sniff> sudo: cannot get working directory
[12:28] <_sniff> oh crap
[12:28] <closeasperil> users get a timeout and i was wondering in what these timeouts are given here? minutes, seconds, nanoseconds ^^
[12:29] <tijn> erhm libdvdcss where the f* do i find it for kubuntu?
[12:29] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: I know why try cd ..
[12:29] <_sniff> tijn: good question
[12:30] <hatake_kakashi> you probably have removed that folder whilst you are on it
[12:30] <_sniff> ah ok
[12:30] <hatake_kakashi> s/folder/directory
[12:30] <_sniff> i should do what
[12:30] <_sniff> oh no
[12:30] <_sniff> now none of my programs work
[12:30] <_sniff> ah shit!
[12:30] <_sniff> dan n00b!
[12:30] <_sniff> damn n00b
[12:31] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: cd /
[12:31] <_sniff> i can't even start the terminal
[12:31] <_sniff> i have only one chance before I resort to a reinstall....
[12:31] <kavit> _sniff: ctrl + alt + f1
[12:31] <kavit> will drop you to a console
[12:32] <_sniff> what do i press to get back into x?
[12:32] <tijn> alt-f7
[12:32] <kavit> _sniff: ctrl + alt + f7
[12:32] <tijn> without ctrl
[12:33] <kavit> wow never thought a day would come where it would be common in *nix to not use the ttys at all.
[12:34] <kavit> it has come a long way userbase wise
[12:34] <Tm_T> tty is good
[12:34] <Tm_T> <3
[12:34] <_sniff> ok
[12:34] <_sniff> how do i see if it worked?
[12:34] <hatake_kakashi> see if what worked?
[12:35] <_sniff> my apps still are broken
[12:35] <_sniff> i havw an idea
[12:37] <dutch> any one know when Dapper will be released officially  ?
[12:38] <vvatsa> 04/06
[12:39] <dutch> vvatsa: thank you
[12:39] <vvatsa> dutch: welcome.
[01:04] <kwewu14> ummm...
[01:05] <kwewu14> i just installed kubuntu, and the GUI came up, its at a resolution that's so large i can't see the whole screen
[01:05] <kwewu14> i can't even login because i don't know where to click for username and password
[01:06] <farous> kwewu14: you are on a laptop right
[01:06] <kwewu14> no, desktop.
[01:06] <farous> hmm is that a fresh install
[01:06] <kwewu14> yes.
[01:07] <kwewu14> brand new.
[01:07] <farous> do you know your monitor resoluiton
[01:07] <kwewu14> yeah.
[01:07] <kwewu14> it looks like kubuntu is trying to use 320 or something
[01:07] <farous> ok use the pastebin and paste the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for me
[01:07] <kwewu14> i can get 1280x1024@60Hz i'm pretty sure.
[01:08] <kwewu14> it would be nice if it was autodetected though, like ubuntu does.
[01:08] <farous> kwewu14: or you can use the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:08] <kwewu14> ummm, it didn't give me a default root password either.
[01:08] <kwewu14> so how do i login to root?
[01:09] <farous> ya
[01:09] <farous> not as rooot
[01:09] <farous> use the sudo command
[01:10] <farous> kwewu14: before you do that i wana have alook at the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> hows your day been?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> fairly good - only got yelled at about the router once..
[01:20] <Mucki> hi
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[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Mucki
[01:21] <Mucki> has any1 got an idea y my bold fonts r so huge compared to the normal fonts?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> because you drop letters?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Mucki: check your gtk font settings
[01:22] <Hobbsee> woo!  23 second lag!
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. nice effort
[01:23] <Mucki> ok, but whats the gtk font setting gotta do with kde apps?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ah ok - it definetly is a kde app?
[01:24] <Mucki> yup
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:25] <Mucki> only got that prob on dapper, on breezy it was fine :)
[01:25] <hatake_kakashi> Mucki: I presume you are on 3.5?
[01:25] <Mucki> yeh
[01:26] <tijn> aha wifi-radar
[01:26] <tijn> sweet tool
[01:26] <hatake_kakashi> Mucki: yeah I had that happening once, but when I upgraded later to 3.5.1 those bold fonts disappeared
[01:26] <Mucki> could it possibly be the fglrx drivers?
[01:27] <Mucki> well, i am on 3.5.1 too
[01:28] <hatake_kakashi> Mucki: doubt it, I am on nvidia, but when I switched to kde3.5.1 those bold fonts disappear
[01:28] <Mucki> hmm weird
[01:29] <hatake_kakashi> that's after upgrading of course
[01:29] <farous> Mucki: i am having the fglrx drivers and the fonts seems little bold here
[01:29] <hatake_kakashi> Mucki: I believe you can adjust the settings manually, but I don't know if that works
[01:30] <Mucki> i'd welcome every suggestion hatake_kakashi :)
[01:32] <hatake_kakashi> Mucki: well, I think its Vera Sans or something? that's the font name.. like I said, I don't know if it helps, but yeah
[01:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, they changed the fonts in dapper - not sure whta from, but i want the old ones back!
[01:34] <ubijtsa2> Bitstream Vera Sans and DejaVu Sans are *very* similar
[01:35] <Mucki> yeh, i see no difference :)
[01:36] <unico> oi
[01:38] <hatake_kakashi> Mucki: hmm
[01:40] <Mucki> well thanks anyway, i hope it will be resolved by when dapper is released :)
[01:42] <Slaphappy> hi... how can i install human theme from gnome in kde.. i want my gtk apps to look good
[01:42] <Slaphappy> anyone any ideas?
[01:44] <ubijtsa2> Slaphappy: the Plastik theme is pretty close
[01:45] <ubijtsa2> as for the colour theme, you can check kde-look.org if they have it
[01:47] <manas> I get 'Loading of player part gstreamer part failed' when I try to run kaffeine. I have kaffeine-xine installed.
[01:48] <manas> How do I fix this ? Can a 'apt-get remove --purge kaffeine*' and reinstall help ?
[01:48] <hatake_kakashi> !info kaffine-gstreamer
[01:48] <Hobbsee> night all...
[01:49] <hatake_kakashi> nn
[01:49] <manas> hatake_kakashi: I prefer xine. Any way to get this working ?
[01:50] <hatake_kakashi> manas: apt-get it?
[01:50] <manas> hatake_kakashi: I mean I prefer libxine as the engine ...
[01:50] <hatake_kakashi> manas: you want libxine to work on kaffeine?
[01:51] <manas> hatake_kakashi: any way of solving this gstreamer_part error ?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> theball: please dont do that
[01:51] <hatake_kakashi> manas: which one do you want to solve first, gstreamer or libxine?
[01:51] <manas> hatake_kakashi: yup. Isn't that what the installation candidate kaffeine-xine is supposed to do ?
[01:52] <hatake_kakashi> provide libxine?
[01:52] <kosh> manas: if you have the xine part installed you should just have to change kaffeine to use xine and then restart it and you should not have that problem anymore
[01:52] <hatake_kakashi> !info libxine
[01:52] <manas> kosh: how do I do that ?
[01:53] <theball> Hobbsee: i am sorry, i am learning this program and did not meen to cause any problems
[01:53] <kosh> settings -> player engine -> kaffeine
[01:54] <kosh> sorry it takes me a bit to respond my system is pretty heavily loaded doing db tests right now
[01:54] <manas> hatake_kakashi: I have libxine installed. Xine works. I have kaffeine installed. Preview with kaffeine works in konqueror tabs. When I try to run kaffeine through kicker / katapult it gives that error.
[01:55] <manas> ok thanks guys. Just clicking on settings-player engine -> kaffeine once was needed.
[01:56] <manas> then it picked up the xine engine.
[01:56] <manas> kosh, hatake_kakashi
[01:56] <manas> :thanks
[01:58] <kosh> in amarok I use the xine engine for playing also
[01:58] <kosh> since I can't figure out how to get 7.1 output out of gstreamer
[01:58] <kosh> but with xine it is trivial
[01:59] <Al-Daja> i don't have libdl-dev in my ubuntu what i should do?
[01:59] <kosh> I have also run into far more problems with gstreamer then xine
[02:00] <Al-Daja> sudo apt-get install libdl-dev doesn't work too
[02:00] <kosh> aj what needs it?
[02:00] <kosh> it is not in the archive
[02:01] <Al-Daja> kosh: any tip?
[02:01] <kosh> what program needs it?
[02:01] <kosh> what problem are you trying to solve?
[02:02] <Al-Daja> trying to install kvirc
[02:02] <kosh> kvirc does not depend on that at least not the version in kubuntu breezy
[02:03] <Al-Daja> hmm
[02:03] <kosh> Depends: kvirc-data (>= 2:2.1.3.0), kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1), libx11-6, libxext6   and kvirc-data has no depends
[02:04] <Al-Daja> hmm so means even i already installed almost everything connect to kubuntu something is missing, because my default os is ubuntu, right kosh ?
[02:05] <kosh> aj kubuntu is part of ubuntu, it is in the same archives with the same apt lines
[02:05] <kosh> al however what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:05] <Al-Daja> 5.1
[02:05] <feistel> hi
[02:05] <feistel> I need a guide or how-to, to make a ubuntu based distribution (like Kubuntu)
[02:06] <ita_> hi all .. i downloaded kubuntu 5.10 .. i burned it like 2 times now .. once with nero6 on windows once with k3b on fc3 ... both times i try to install ... at 60% of "base system" he aborts with "Unable to Install initrd-tools" .. as i said i burned it 2 times now .. i downloaded at the flomirror .. is there anything i can do about that?!
[02:06] <theball> feistel: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:06] <kkathman> aptitude might be a bit better if you ever want to uninstall it :)
[02:07] <ubijtsa2> ita_: hmm.. I had no problem with the kubuntu ISO I downloaded some weeks ago
[02:07] <ita_> yes its the iso
[02:07] <ita_> (i downloaded and burned)
[02:07] <feistel> theball: I just now runing Kubuntu
[02:07] <ubijtsa2> ita_: you can md5sum it and compare against the download sites md5sum
[02:08] <feistel> theball: I need make my own distribution based on ubuntu
[02:08] <ubijtsa2> if they differ, something bad happened in the download
[02:08] <kosh> al sorry I don't know the version numbers, I just know what the actual names are like breezy, dapper etc
[02:08] <theball> i must have misunderstood the question, i thought you wanted ubuntu to look like kubuntu
[02:09] <ubijtsa2> warty=4.10, hoary=5.04, breezy=5.10, dapper=6.04
[02:09] <kosh> then kvirc should just work then since I am running breezy also and it is certainly installable
[02:10] <kosh> ubijtsa: do you know why the version numbers are so strange?
[02:10] <kosh> why .10 and .04 sutff?
[02:10] <ubijtsa2> kosh: 10 = October, 04 = April
[02:10] <ubijtsa2> 4 = 2004
[02:10] <ubijtsa2> 5 = 2005
[02:10] <kosh> ubijtsa: ah I see
[02:10] <ubijtsa2> etc etc
[02:10] <ita_> can i do the md5 trick on windows somehow cause i cant get back on my fc3
[02:11] <ubijtsa2> ita_: yeah, md5sums.exe apparently
[02:11] <Meg5254> morning
[02:11] <ubijtsa2> you may have to google for it
[02:13] <Meg5254> can anybody tell me where to put a bash script and what to do, so that it starts when linux boots?
[02:13] <ita_> thank you getting tool now
[02:13] <kkathman> Meg5254: put it in probably /usr/bin  then symlink to ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:14] <kkathman> or  you could put it in /usr/local/bin also if you wish
[02:14] <farous> Meg5254: if you need it for single user you can put it in your home dir and call it for the .bashrc file
[02:15] <farous> do not know of kde will honour env var set in a bash env. though
[02:16] <ita_> sorry to bother again ... i calculated md5 of iso on my hd now .. i go t iso from http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu/ - where can i get "orig" md5 checksum ?
[02:21] <ubijtsa2> ita_: one sec
[02:22] <kosh> Meg5254: do you really want it to be started when linux starts or when you log into kde?
[02:23] <ubijtsa2> 1dae9ca81cf3eb1dbe7966f39a39daf3  kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[02:23] <kosh> kkathman: you should not put anything in /usr/bin
[02:23] <ita_> wow that checksum is totally different to mine ://
[02:24] <ubijtsa2> ita_: it was the i386 install right?
[02:24] <ita_> yes i downloaded exactly http://de1.mirrors.flosoft.biz/kubuntu/cd/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[02:24] <Meg5254> kosh: i only want that it is already working when i log in
[02:24] <Meg5254> so i think its ok when it starts whith kde
[02:24] <ubijtsa2> ok.. I looked at http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[02:25] <ubijtsa2> if there are kubuntu 5.10 ISO's floating about for download that are broken, we have a problem..
[02:26] <kosh> okay there is an autostart thing in kde but I have to look up where that is in kubuntu, there used to just be a folder on the desktop for that
[02:26] <ubijtsa2> kosh: .kde/Autostart someone said a few mins ago
[02:26] <kosh> ubijtsa: assuming it was downloading without problems
[02:26] <ita_> as i said i downloaded from the above location ... but thank you very much i download again from the url you gave me
[02:26] <ubijtsa2> kosh: indeed
[02:27] <ubijtsa2> ita_: hope it works better this time :)
[02:28] <kosh> I would download it to test it but my system is pretty hammered already right now
[02:28] <ita_> thank you for your effort ... one last thing .. we have a astaro firewall which does viral scan and stuff on dl files .. CAN IT be the astaro destroys my file ?!
[02:28] <kosh> it shouldn't however who knows what it really does
[02:29] <ita_> hopefully my boss does not come in :) i told him ill reinstall and be back in business in 2 hours .. which
[02:30] <ita_> was one hour ago :)
[02:30] <ubijtsa2> that would be why I have not yet run dist-upgrade to Dapper :)
[02:31] <kosh> you upgraded dists on a live machine?
[02:32] <ubijtsa2> you can dist-upgrade a live box yeah
[02:32] <kosh> I know you "can" but that is not the point
[02:32] <kosh> I switched from debian/sid which I had been running for 5 years to kubuntu breezy
[02:32] <kosh> however actually switching a live production box from one dist version to another is a risky thing to do without testing it on a test setup first
[02:33] <ubijtsa2> Mmhmm, I did that from Sarge to Hoary
[02:33] <ubijtsa2> Yeah.. This desktop I can relatively easily recreate though
[02:34] <kosh> oh yeah I would do it on a desktop no problem
[02:34] <kosh> but I can't imagine doing that to servers :)
[02:34] <ubijtsa2> I will test the dist upgrade on a separate box when I have less work on
[02:34] <patrix> woo
[02:34] <patrix> I installed kubuntu last night
[02:34] <ubijtsa2> might try it in vmware
[02:34] <patrix> never tried *ubuntu before
[02:35] <kosh> right now I just wish I could upgrade my computer already these tests are really hammering it
[02:35] <patrix> I was impressed heh. last time I tried a "detects lal your hardware user firendly" linux distribution it screwed everything up (back in the 90s )
[02:35] <kosh> should be able to replace it by the end of the month
[02:35] <kosh> patrix lots of stuff has changed since then :)
[02:35] <patrix> indeed lol
[02:36] <patrix> well although I'm quite happy with bsd, I tired it to see if my usb headset worked better than in fbsd...
[02:37] <patrix> so I'm wondering if any of you hve experience using a usb headset (say with skype) in ubuntu
[02:38] <kosh> sorry no idea on that one
[02:38] <kosh> I have never used a usb headset or skype
[02:38] <patrix> oh well
[02:38] <patrix> heh
[02:38] <kosh> heck I only use a telephone once or twice a month at most :)
[02:38] <patrix> lol
[02:38] <JakubS_> you plug it and either it is recognized and works immediately or you are out of luck :-)
[02:38] <patrix> lol
[02:38] <patrix> it's not that simple JakubS_
[02:38] <patrix> see I plug it in, it's recognized, all the /dev entries are there
[02:38] <farous> patrix: for skype install it from seveas repos and try it out
[02:39] <patrix> yes yes
[02:39] <patrix> so I did that :)
[02:39] <farous> running skype here but never with usb headset
[02:39] <patrix> I can make oine phonecall with skype
[02:39] <JakubS_> patrix: and alsa driver is loaded fine?
[02:39] <kosh> I prefer irc and email to actually talking
[02:39] <patrix> works fine
[02:39] <JakubS_> me too
[02:39] <patrix> I called my phone and talked to myself (lol)
[02:39] <JakubS_> you must be really desperate :-)
[02:39] <patrix> and hwne I hung up I got a message on the console saying "/dev/dsp1: device or resource busy"
[02:39] <kosh> remember to yell echo into the phone :)
[02:40] <farous> :)
[02:40] <patrix> and after that I cajn't amke any new calls unless I quit skype and relaunch it (And for some reason it launches real slow in kubuntum, but whatever that's not hte issue here)
[02:40] <kosh> well that is better then I would have thought it would do
[02:40] <JakubS_> patrix: i heard about it, it was some skype bug
[02:40] <patrix> lol
[02:40] <patrix> JakubS_: oh?
[02:40] <JakubS_> there was even fix (workaround)
[02:41] <patrix> do you remember where?
[02:41] <JakubS_> http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t=32290 - this is your problem?
[02:41] <patrix> sounds like it
[02:42] <JakubS_> see last page - looks like working workaround
[02:42] <patrix> I'll read, thank you :D
[02:45] <lunitik> Hey, I don't know where else to ask, but is there plans for Adept to obey kde settings any time soon?
[02:45] <kkathman> the new Adept is pretty kewl
[02:45] <kkathman> and yes it will
[02:45] <lunitik> huge icons, text under icons, and not obeying OS X-style application menu atm  :(
[02:46] <lunitik> let alone obeying fonts settings etc...
[02:46] <kkathman> well you obviously have the Dapper version?
[02:46] <lunitik> kkathman: yes
[02:46] <kkathman> yah thats the one that will be there Im sure
[02:46] <kkathman> tiny steps :)
[02:47] <lunitik> kkathman: I don't like too much  :(
[02:47] <lunitik> kinda wanting to just install kpackage again, and say to hell with kubuntu-desktop  :/
[02:47] <kkathman> yah well, kubuntu devs kinda do their own thing
[02:48] <kkathman> they decided to put their own "system settings" thing for instance
[02:48] <kkathman> iccck
[02:48] <lunitik> that and openoffice.org are the only applications I use that noticeably don't fit into my desktop
[02:48] <Psi-Jack> What repo has that Skype package that has the DSP wrapper on it?
[02:48] <lunitik> kkathman: I actually like that
[02:48] <kkathman> well Adpet is definitely better than the first release
[02:49] <lunitik> Psi-Jack: Skype won't be in kubuntu... try apt-get.org maybe?
[02:49] <kkathman> lunitik: I hate that...I like kcontrol cuz its standard KDE
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> lunitik: Excuse me?
[02:49] <farous> !skype
[02:49] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[02:49] <kkathman> right skype wont be there
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> Seveas, yes.
[02:49] <farous> Psi-Jack: try seveas repos
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> farous: Thanks! That's the one.
[02:49] <farous> do not if it has the wrapper or not
[02:49] <farous> yw :)
[02:50] <Psi-Jack> It does. Seveas is the one that made the package. :)
[02:50] <farous> nice
[02:51] <lunitik> kkathman: imo, its better organized, cleaner... its probably gonna be at least simular to what ends up in kde4...
[02:52] <lunitik> kkathman: similarly katapult will also likely be in kde4...
[02:52] <kkathman> well I wouldnt mind it so much, if it would work
[02:52] <kkathman> dont like katapult either
[02:52] <lunitik> kkathman: works fine here?
[02:52] <kkathman> in Dapper perhaps but not in Breezy
[02:52] <lunitik> kkathman: I don't even know the point of katapult, but it stays out of my way...
[02:52] <kosh> I find that katapult is vaslty slower to start then just using alt-f2
[02:52] <jpatrick> lunitik: more likely fused with Tenor
[02:52] <kosh> all the graphics really seem to slow it down
[02:53] <kkathman> kosh yes
[02:53] <kosh> when my system is not loaded at all I don't notice it
[02:53] <kkathman> and alt-f2 has auto complete too
[02:53] <kkathman> hehe
[02:53] <kosh> but when the system is absolutely pegged alt-f2 launches far far faster then katapult does
[02:53] <kkathman> right
[02:54] <kosh> right now I have 2GB of ram and xp 3200 cpu and my system is at 100% cpu, memory usage doing some automated tests
[02:54] <kkathman> there is some huge overhead that kubuntu is paying somewhere cuz its quite inefficient, perhaps the 15 kernal will fix that
[02:54] <kosh> katapult is just painful to use in that situation
[02:54] <kkathman> thats all it is
[02:54] <kkathman> its alt-f2 + graphics
[02:54] <kosh> it is an applicaiton launcher but a very slow one since it has so many things to make it look better
[02:54] <lunitik> hah.. k
[02:55] <lunitik> kkathman: I get a lot of kio_file and kio_http processes all the time... ps -e and see if you have a bunch, if so, pkill -9 them
[02:55] <farous> kosh: why not switch to a lighter window manager and other lighter progs
[02:55] <lunitik> kkathman: makes things much more responsive
[02:56] <kosh> farous: because the programs are using very little resources compared to what my tests are using
[02:56] <farous> i have a 1gb ram here and eh just uing less than quarter of it cpu at 20% utiliz at lowest freq
[02:56] <kkathman> maybe so..but it just shouldnt do that...I run another distro...I can open the exact same apps even more and use 1/2 the memory and less than 1/2 the idle CPU time
[02:56] <kosh> farous: it is not kde that is using those resources by a longshot, kde is actually very memory efficient because so much is shared
[02:56] <lunitik> farous: because KDE is awesome, and is more than just a window manager... kwin also is probably the best window manager around though... but I like a complete desktop though..
[02:56] <kosh> farous: what is using all the memory and cpu is an automated test suite I am running against a zope database
[02:56] <kkathman> kosh yes - my point exactly
[02:56] <lunitik> kkathman: do what I said...
[02:57] <lunitik> kkathman: its a pain, but I swear it makes the system faster  ;)
[02:57] <farous> ok kosh understand now
[02:57] <kkathman> lunitik:  I understand...but should I have to be watchdogging it?
[02:57] <lunitik> kkathman: no... but meh... you DO have to...
[02:57] <farous> i am not here for desktop or wm war just like my sys slim so can have the resources for compiling
[02:57] <kkathman> ugh sigh
[02:57] <kosh> I have tested variou environments and I get the work done faster under kde and I have also benchmarked the tests and it makes almost no difference in speed
[02:57] <lunitik> kkathman: SUSE doesn't seem to have the issue though, so I guess its a Kubuntu thing  :/
[02:58] <kkathman> lunitik: yes exactly suse does not
[02:58] <lunitik> I just can't be asked to install SUSE and go in search of all the codecs and things...
[02:59] <kkathman> lunitik:  I dual boot
[02:59] <farous> lunitik: that was my int. quest. for suse is gona adpot the GPL so does that mean you need to hunt for restricted formats as in ubuntu
[02:59] <lunitik> kkathman: I see no point dual booting multiple distro's...
[02:59] <farous> opensuse i mean
[03:00] <lunitik> farous: they are all available via packman, so its not a huge deal... having them in multiverse is just more conveniant though...
[03:00] <kosh> I have to admit I have not seen the processes sticking around problem in kubuntu
[03:01] <lunitik> farous: you were right first time... opensuse refers to the process of development, the result is still "SUSE Linux"...
[03:02] <lunitik> just the official version of SUSE doesn't...
[03:02] <farous> lunitik: i just found it harder to set things with suse to little information. i remember that when i tried installing libdvdcss2. back with suse 9.0 thanx for the info though my friend
[03:02] <lunitik> 1 CD Install has a bunch of little tweaks though, quite nice really...
[03:04] <farous> on a parallel subj mepis does that all automatically. just did not check if they use the gs-afpl ver or the gs-eps like ubuntu
[03:04] <lunitik> ck kernel tweaks, preloading, prelinking etc etc etc
[03:04] <lunitik> farous: Mepis will soon be based on Ubuntu apparently  :/
[03:04] <pirko> hi all I have small problem with network interface in my kubuntu /  I cannot setup default gateway on Routes tab in network settings. Does somebody know about any other way?
[03:04] <farous> i would like a ubuntu based distro with the nonfree already tweeked in
[03:05] <lunitik> farous: the guy behind it is getting mad at etch's speed of development  :/
[03:06] <kwewu14> kubuntu-desktop:
[03:06] <kwewu14>  Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[03:07] <kwewu14> then i try and mark it for install, and it complains about another package...
[03:07] <kwewu14> and so on and so on.
[03:07] <kosh> kubuntu-desktop won't work if you are using kde 3.5
[03:07] <blackflag> Hello all
[03:07] <kosh> since it depends on akode which is not the same package anymore
[03:07] <kwewu14> how do i install kde3.5 then?
[03:08] <farous> priko look at the file /etc/resolv.conf
[03:08] <blackflag> I have a printing problem with cups
[03:08] <lunitik> kwewu14: search ubuntu backports, add its source to apt, and upgrade
[03:08] <kwewu14> (3.5.1) i have the 351 repository in my sources.list
[03:08] <lunitik> kosh: umm... yeah it will...
[03:08] <Mez> !tell kwewu14 about backports
[03:08] <kwewu14> i don't have any kde installed right now
[03:08] <blackflag> I think I setup cups correctly cause when I can print a testpage localy
[03:08] <Mez> kwewu14, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:08] <lunitik> kosh: nothing in kubuntu-desktop defines package version
[03:08] <kwewu14> Mez: read up
[03:09] <blackflag> I can only see the printers when I use localhost
[03:09] <kosh> lunitik: it depends on akode though and akode is not in kde 3.5
[03:09] <kwewu14> why should i need backports to install a new kde?
[03:09] <Mez> kwewu14, well - KDE 3.5.1 will be backported
[03:09] <farous> !kde
[03:09] <ubotu> I guess kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[03:09] <blackflag> When I try to connect via IPP then I diont get a list of the installed printers
[03:09] <farous> i think kde is old and unmaintained now
[03:10] <blackflag> so what is wrong?
[03:10] <lunitik> kosh: umm... I'd imagine they put the new kubuntu-desktop in backports... weird if they didn't  :/
[03:10] <blackflag> can someone help?
[03:10] <lunitik> farous: lol @ unmaintained... its probably the most active open source project.
[03:10] <farous> lunitik: i ment in ubuntu repos
[03:11] <pirko> thanx there is my nameserver, but the internet still doesn't work, I hve configured manualy all necessary ip's like on my second computer, but there seems be still problem
[03:11] <lunitik> farous: second largest, behind only the kernel
[03:11] <farous> they focus effort on kubuntu
[03:11] <farous> not the kde meta pacakge
[03:11] <ita_> i get a heart attack
[03:11] <lunitik> farous: 'kde' comes from debian...
[03:11] <lunitik> farous: just as much maintained though...
[03:12] <ita_> i downloaded again, this time the astaro firewall served me a 329 mb file after checking
[03:12] <ita_> is there a ftp:// dl link ? cause i think the firewall doesnt care about ftp
[03:12] <farous> lunitik: when i tried to install the kde meta package i ran into all sorts of prob not with kubuntu. When i asked here this is the ans i got
[03:13] <Psi-Jack> Okay, can someone help me out with a little apt/dpkg divert trick I want to make? I want my skype package to rename skype to skype.bin, and the skype-dsp-hijacker to symlink it's script to skype.
[03:13] <theball> blackflag: do you know the ip of the printer
[03:14] <kwewu14> is backports ports of new packages for the next release to the currnet release?
[03:14] <farous> kwewu14: backports are ports for any new package that appeared after the official release
[03:15] <farous> ubuntu policy to take snapshots then freeze any upgrades and only maintain security updates
[03:16] <kwewu14> yes i know that, but why did i get told to put backports in my sources.list?
[03:16] <farous> anyother update you get is from backports and i think multiverse
[03:16] <kwewu14> kubuntu.org says 3.5.1 is available and i can't install it
[03:16] <Meg5254> another question: which burning programm can you recommend?
[03:16] <kwewu14> k3b
[03:16] <farous> kwewu14: if you need updated packages after the official release then you need the backports otherwise you do not
[03:17] <theball> away
[03:17] <kwewu14> i still don't get it, i want to install kde3.5.1...i put the apt line in my sources.list
[03:17] <kwewu14> the one on kubuntu.org for the 351 release.
[03:18] <kwewu14> but i can't install kubuntu-desktop
[03:18] <kwewu14> someone said add backports, i added it, installed all the upgrades, and i still can't use kde3.5.1
[03:19] <theball> one option is to change the breezy entries in sources.lst to dapper and then update and then install kubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <farous> kwewu14: did you run a reso update
[03:19] <farous> and tried to upgrade
[03:20] <orion_fr_24> what do I need to properly read .mov quictime file ???
[03:20] <farous> did you update your sources
[03:21] <kwewu14> reso update?
[03:21] <kwewu14> yes, i updated my sources
[03:21] <farous_away> kwewu14: sudo apt-get update
[03:22] <farous_away> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:22] <kwewu14> i did, i don't have any kde installed right now so that won't help./
[03:22] <farous_away> so just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:23] <farous_away> in the terminal it would tell you if anything is wrong
[03:23] <kwewu14> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:23] <kwewu14>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[03:23] <kwewu14> E: Broken packages
[03:24] <kosh> just do sudo apt-get install kde
[03:24] <kwewu14>   kdegraphics-kfile-plugins: Depends: libpoppler0c2-qt (>= 0.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[03:24] <kwewu14> kosh: thanks
[03:24] <farous_away> broken?
[03:24] <kwewu14>   kde: Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[03:24] <farous_away> you might have a conflict somewhere
[03:25] <kwewu14>  libpoppler0c2-qt: Depends: libpoppler0c2 (= 0.4.2-0ubuntu6) but 0.4.2-0ubuntu6.5 is to be installed
[03:25] <kwewu14> the different is .5 and it won't install with it :/
[03:25] <farous_away> kwewu14: ok comment all other repos except the the official ubuntu and the kde351 one
[03:26] <kosh> hmm that is strange I am running kde 3.5.1 and I have libpoppelr0c2 version 0.4.2-0ubuntu6.5
[03:26] <farous_away> than sudo apt-get update
[03:26] <Meg5254> thanx for the help before
[03:26] <farous_away> and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <farous_away> it might be a strange repos causing this conflict
[03:27] <Meg5254> Im a little bit overstrained with linux in the moment :)
[03:27] <farous_away> lol expect to be overstretched Meg5254 ;)
[03:28] <farous_away> runing linux is like having a baby the more time pass the more attendence it needs
[03:28] <bert_> Hi Jriddell, I've just been reading some of your blogs
[03:28] <Meg5254> :)
[03:29] <kosh> hmm my experience is that windows needs a heck of a lot more attention
[03:29] <kosh> at least that is true of 2.0 through xp
[03:29] <Riddell> bert_: mm hmm?
[03:30] <kwewu14> [6;3~this is a nightmare.
[03:30] <kwewu14> dependancy problems everywhere
[03:30] <farous_away> kosh not if you are a user not serv admin
[03:31] <kosh> farous_away: just playing games I find that windows requires far more maintenance
[03:31] <kosh> just keeping the various programs updated is a royal pain
[03:31] <Meg5254> which burning programm can you recommend?
[03:31] <kosh> uninstall old video driver, reboot, install new one, reboot, grab patch for x game etc
[03:31] <kosh> Meg5254: k3b
[03:31] <farous_away> i miss that every thing just works ;)
[03:32] <bert_> I'v even bookmarked your blogs, doesn't that make you feel famous?
[03:32] <kosh> my experience is that there is no system where everything just works
[03:32] <kkathman> kosh its interesting, debian itself has had an AutoAdept for a while, but that hasnt been ported to Kubuntu quite yet
[03:32] <farous_away> no irc no blogs no forums just work
[03:32] <kkathman> kosh and I agree with  you - no magic potion :)
[03:33] <kosh> under windows I have some hardware that I can't even get to work
[03:33] <Meg5254> kosh: ah :)
[03:33] <Meg5254> wasnt shure if that was for me
[03:33] <Meg5254> thanx
[03:33] <kkathman> kosh lol
[03:33] <kosh> the ati binary radeon driver CAN NOT initialize two radeon cards
[03:33] <kosh> there is no way around it
[03:33] <kosh> it will run the highest version card it can find and that is it
[03:34] <kosh> so I can do quad monitor out on linux but not under windows
[03:34] <khs> could someone help me to install kubuntu to my laptop? :)
[03:34] <Meg5254> khs: to install kubuntu is not so hard
[03:35] <kkathman> khs do you have an install disk?
[03:35] <khs> Meg5254: yeah i know. but i have problems with X and sound card :)
[03:35] <kosh> and windows used to suck really really badly if you had surround sound, varoius programs would keep trying to reset the mixer for stereo settings, finaly creative labs added an option so that only its control panel could change any sound card settings
[03:35] <farous_away> frankly as you said no magic potion. spending time reading forums take nearly same time to search for software on window or repair corrupted files
[03:35] <Meg5254> I see
[03:36] <kosh> farous I have had to spend a lot of time reading on forums on windows also to figure out how to get stuff to work, like finding that a game was crashing on startup becasue I did not have windows media player installed
[03:36] <kosh> farous_away: there was nothing int he program that said it needed media player in any way and people just found it by trial and error
[03:36] <khs> Meg5254: i have hp pavilion zv6000-series laptop (ati radeon xpress 200M IGP) and i cant get x to start :\
[03:36] <kwewu14> what repository is libavahi-client1 in?
[03:37] <khs> Meg5254: actually i got it start but screen went blank and i couldnt get back to the terminal :\
[03:37] <Meg5254> uije
[03:37] <Meg5254> khs: I dont know very much about this thinks, Im just glad that I had no problems installing kubuntu
[03:38] <khs> Meg5254: heh. k. my friend installed it well to desktop :)
[03:40] <Psi-Jack> Is it possible, with dpkg-divert, to make a double-redundant diversion from two packages? For example, diverting package "skype" and it's /usr/bin/skype to /usr/bin/skype.bin using rename, and package skype-dsp-hijacker's /usr/bin/skype_dsp_hijacker to link /usr/bin/skype to it?
[03:41] <vge> Psi-Jack: what are you trying to atcheave?
[03:42] <Psi-Jack> vge: Renaming the binary skype executable to skype.bin and making the dsp hijacker replace it, and call skype.bin instead. So all I'd have to do is run skype, not skype_dsp_hijacker
[03:44] <vge> well donno about your problem, was just curios cos i had problem with skype and it's debendencies
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> Eh? Heh. Are you using seveas' skype package?
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> Or Skype's own (which I believe seveas' uses)
[03:45] <vge> skypes own, but i fixed it allready with repacked skype
[03:45] <msemtd> Hi all, does anybody know the correct way to add a dir to the system-wide X font path? some defoma magic?
[03:46] <_martin_> hi, I've just installed the nVidia-drivers...but my problem is - when I reboot the system, I have to make nvidia-glx-config enable and restart xserver again to get the drivers loaded!
[03:46] <_martin_> erm, short and simple - my xserver somehow doesn't enable the changes after rebooting
[03:46] <vge> _martin_: make em run when kubuntu starts before the X starts?
[03:47] <_martin_> I don't know what you mean by thus...
[03:47] <_martin_> *this
[03:47] <_martin_> this is a fresh install
[03:48] <bert_> Does anyone know how to stop Kubuntu from putting my hardware clock back 10 and half hours when it boots?
[03:48] <_martin_> and I don't know much
[03:48] <vge> _martin_: so basically you need to run shell command before X starts, correct?
[03:48] <bert_> The desktop clock shows the right time always
[03:49] <_martin_> no
[03:49] <_martin_> x starts anyway
[03:49] <vge> no i mean, shell command to run nvidia drivers
[03:49] <_martin_> but to get the nvidia-drivers with opengl et cetera loaded, I have to reconfigure the xorg.conf
[03:49] <_martin_> yes
[03:49] <_martin_> exactly
[03:49] <_martin_> and then restart x
[03:49] <_martin_> so they do not load automatically
[03:50] <bert_> I have removeable hard drives and when I put back in Windows, I have to reset the clock, other versions of Linux don't change the clock
[03:50] <_martin_> and now I've got to find a work-around to get them loaded automatically
[03:51] <nat> I'm looking for a solution like norton ghost on windows but for my kubuntu... I'd like to try xen then after restore my kunbuntu (and I haven't enough free space disk to install both
[03:51] <vge> _martin_: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/07/adding-a-startup-script-to-be-run-at-bootup/ can this fix your problem?
[03:51] <Flexo> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? <-- wth?
[03:51] <ita_> ok i give up
[03:51] <_martin_> that may work, vge...
[03:51] <bert_> Can't you backup Linux with Ghost?
[03:52] <ita_> there is no way getting a image that works for me
[03:52] <_martin_> but what's the shell-command to restart the x-server, vge?
[03:52] <ita_> ill check back later, thanks for your support...
[03:52] <Flexo> can anyone please help me?
[03:52] <nat> is it existing on linux ?
[03:52] <tijn> well Flexo
[03:52] <tijn> or apt is in use
[03:52] <tijn> or you are not root
[03:52] <vge> _martin_: well you can run commands before the X is started
[03:53] <_martin_> oh
[03:53] <Flexo> i am on root and theres no other apt session
[03:53] <_martin_> do they get run by root?
[03:53] <_martin_> so no need to sudo?
[03:53] <vge> "i guess" (donno)
[03:53] <_martin_> ok
[03:54] <_martin_> I'll try
[03:54] <_martin_> brb
[03:54] <tijn> ps ax |grep apt-get
[03:54] <_martin_> and - thx :)
[03:54] <Flexo> ah, il try that
[03:56] <bert_> Use ghost 2003 to backup Linux
[03:58] <Flexo> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. <-- if i try using synaptic
[03:58] <Flexo> after shutting down all apt-get pids
[03:59] <nat> I'm looking for a solution like norton ghost on windows but for my kubuntu... I'd like to try xen then after restore my kunbuntu (and I haven't enough free space disk to install both)
[04:01] <Flexo> grateful for answers :)
[04:01] <bert_> Nat: Just use the ghost 2003 disk and boot from it, backup linux to a CD or DVD
[04:01] <tijn> well
[04:01] <tijn> or else there is ghost4linux
[04:02] <nat> but i don't have ghost ... is it free ?
[04:02] <nat> I don't have windows
[04:02] <nat> okok
[04:03] <bert_> NO, ghost is a commercical program, I bought one from Ebay for a few dollars
[04:04] <Meg5254> gml
[04:04] <Meg5254> cant find the win32 codecs packet for xine
[04:04] <Meg5254> do I have to add something in the sources,list?
[04:04] <farous_away> ghost is that like in gs ghost-view for ps viewing
[04:04] <sealne> is anyone here using dapper with an nvidia card?
[04:04] <vvatsa> hey guys, installed dapper the other day, what do you need for mp3 support?
[04:04] <squid0> hey. i want to change my laptop monitor refresh rate, but the only option is 60Mhz. any help?
[04:05] <vvatsa> sealne: me
[04:05] <sealne> vvatsa: any problems?
[04:05] <vvatsa> nope, seems to be working
[04:05] <sealne> X won't work for me
[04:05] <bert_> Norton Ghost
[04:05] <vvatsa> sealne: are you using the nvidia drivers from apt?
[04:05] <farous_away> ok for backup then right thanx bert_
[04:05] <Psi-Jack> Bleh!
[04:05] <sealne> squid0: tfts norammly only do 60
[04:06] <Psi-Jack> dd!
[04:06] <Psi-Jack> Screw Norton Ghost.
[04:06] <sealne> vvatsa: standard nv
[04:06] <kwewu14>   libpoppler0c2-qt: Depends: libpoppler0c2 (= 0.4.2-0ubuntu6) but 0.4.2-0ubuntu6.5 is to be installed
[04:06] <squid0> sealne: hm. that's not nice. cause if i plug in an external monitor to the laptop, the external monitor flickers terribly
[04:06] <vvatsa> enable the ristricted repos. and install the nvidia drivers, make sure the nvidia module loads then enjoy openGL goodnedd
[04:07] <vvatsa> s/goodnedd/goodness/
[04:07] <sealne> but non free badness :(
[04:07] <kwewu14> how do i get libpoppler to be the version i need?
[04:07] <nat> aren't there anything in GPL for doing this /
[04:07] <nat> ?
[04:07] <sealne> vvatsa: thanks i'll have a look at that
[04:07] <bert_> Why screw norton ghost? I use it all the time to back up windows XP
[04:08] <Psi-Jack> bert_: dd works just fine, and it's free. ;)
[04:08] <C-O-L-T> where is trash/wastebin in the filesystem
[04:08] <nat> but with dd how can i restore the fs after Psi-Jack ?
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> bert_: I've gone totally anti Symantec since their software has turned to crap over the past several years.
[04:09] <theball> squid0: try this method, it worked well on my laptop! http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu#How_to_install_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> nat: The same way, just reverse the if and of.
[04:09] <bert_> Psi-jack: haven't heard of that one. is DD the name of it? or is it short for something?
[04:09] <squid0> theball: ok, thanks for the lnk. i'll look into it
[04:09] <nat> ok but i won't have a system when i will reboot ...
[04:10] <theball> it took about 3 minutes total. best of luck
[04:10] <kwewu14> nevermind, i got it.
[04:10] <Psi-Jack> dd if=/dev/hda# of=/mnt/backup, then to restore, dd if=/mnt/backup of=/dev/hda#
[04:10] <Psi-Jack> A very SIMPLE example, mind you.
[04:10] <nat> a ok, with a livecd i should be able to do that no ?
[04:10] <Psi-Jack> bert_: dd is part of gnu's basic tools. It stands for Convert and Copy
[04:10] <Psi-Jack> bert_: It would've been cc, but that was already taken. ;)
[04:10] <squid0> theball: thanks
[04:11] <squid0> theball: what does it actually do?
[04:11] <nat> ok thks Psi-Jack !
[04:11] <bert_> psi-jack: I will have to check that out, thanks
[04:11] <Psi-Jack> dd will make a RAW backup of the HDD, just like Ghost basically does.
[04:11] <Psi-Jack> So if your partition is 20gb, the backup file will be 20gb
[04:13] <sealne> you can compress it tho
[04:13] <bert_> Pity it doesn't only just copy the data, my hard drive is 80gb
[04:13] <sealne> have a look at rdiff-backup
[04:13] <sniff> oh peeps what a day
[04:13] <sealne> its nice as it keeps versions
[04:14] <zyth> Anyone know I change my personal mode in Konversation?
[04:14] <sniff> someone tell me how I edit the kde startup thingy>?
[04:14] <kwewu14> how do i change my display manager back to gdm?
[04:14] <kwewu14> kdm is all messed up
[04:14] <kkathman> sniff:  could you be more specific?
[04:14] <sniff> k
[04:14] <jpatrick> kwewu14: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[04:14] <kkathman> other than kde startup thingie :)
[04:14] <vvatsa> kwewu14: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[04:14] <zyth> cause /mode mynick +i isn't working...
[04:15] <jpatrick> sniff: edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[04:15] <sniff> i need to add "fsfn -o" to the kde startup, so i get an OSD when I use the function keys on my laptop
[04:15] <sealne> vvatsa: which package is it you ment for nvidia?
[04:15] <kkathman> ahh create a bash script and put that in your ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:15] <vvatsa> sealne: which card do you have?
[04:16] <vvatsa> sealne: your prob need nvidia-glx
[04:16] <kkathman> or. alternatively, add it to your home directory, bashrc
[04:16] <kkathman> the latter I dont recommend
[04:16] <kkathman> hehe
[04:16] <sealne> vvatsa: riva tnt2
[04:16] <vvatsa> sealne: your prob need nvidia-glx the leagecy one then
[04:17] <sniff> jpatrick: thank you i will try this
[04:17] <vvatsa> sealne: nvidia-glx-legacy
[04:18] <sniff> i got one other problem - each time i startup my computer i must open a terminal and type "pon dsl-provider" to connect. Even though when I ran pppoeconf I told it to connect automatically. Is there any way to solve this?
[04:20] <kwewu14> why are some of my fonts way too big to display properly?
[04:21] <sniff> could i add "pon dsl-provider" to kdmrc?
[04:21] <kwewu14> the text when i type my login in gdm is too large, in kde the icon bubbles fill up the screen with massive text and make the system chug
[04:22] <sniff> kwewu14: that#s awful - i hope it doesn't happen to me
[04:22] <zyth> anyone know how I'd do /mode mynick +i in konversation?
[04:22] <sniff> kwewu14: i can only suggest having a look at the fonts setup in system properties
[04:22] <zyth> n/m I am dumb.  llol
[04:26] <kwewu14> ahahaha.
[04:26] <kwewu14> nevermind
[04:27] <kwewu14> it was the nv drivers.
[04:27] <kwewu14> i install nvidia-glx and now it works.
[04:29] <sniff> what about my prob with the dsl modem
[04:29] <sniff> i'd really appreciate a suggestion
[04:30] <kameron> anyone successful in playing mkv (matroska) files in mplayer?
[04:30] <zyth> kameron: I think VLC plays them
[04:30] <Howitzer> how do i uninstall EVERY nvidia driver on my system?
[04:30] <kameron> zyth, all the major players are supposed to play them, but my audio is slurred really badly.
[04:31] <kameron> Howitzer, sudo apt-get remove nvidia*
[04:31] <kameron> could be dangerous though Howitzer
[04:31] <kosh> sniff: I am tring to look up where that can be put
[04:33] <Howitzer> kameron: if i close of X
[04:33] <kameron> Howitzer, yeah, it could mess up your X pretty bad
[04:33] <Howitzer> and instantly reinstall the proper drivers, what problem could there be?
[04:33] <Howitzer> *close off
[04:33] <Howitzer> because i installed the kubuntu nvidia drivers and the nvidia sh aswell
[04:34] <Howitzer> but none give me the video acceleration
[04:34] <kameron> ah
[04:34] <kwewu14> how come i can't adjust my gamma settings in the kubuntu control panel?
[04:35] <farous_away> Howitzer: did you follow the howto on installing binary drivers
[04:36] <Howitzer> yeah
[04:36] <Howitzer> wait
[04:36] <Howitzer> what one do you mean?
[04:36] <Howitzer> nvidia.com's howot?
[04:36] <Howitzer> *howto
[04:36] <farous_away> and you edited the xorg.conf file
[04:36] <Howitzer> yes
[04:36] <farous_away> no ubunto howto
[04:36] <farous_away> !nividia
[04:36] <ubotu> farous_away: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:36] <Howitzer> but i had to reedit some stuff to make KDE work in general
[04:36] <farous_away> !nvidia
[04:36] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:37] <farous_away> there it si the how to
[04:37] <Howitzer> KDE would freeze but the mouse would still move and all
[04:37] <farous_away> check the forums there might be a workaround for your prob
[04:37] <kosh> sniff: what I would do is stick it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh but I doubt that is the best place but it should work
[04:37] <Howitzer> Note: RenderAccel has a bug. Memory leak and crashes. Disable it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the section "Device".
[04:37] <Howitzer> Option          "RenderAccel"   "false"
[04:37] <sealne> vvatsa: well things are improving now i have a white rectangle with some red dashes on it
[04:38] <vvatsa> crap
[04:38] <farous_away> that is the first time i hear this error Howitzer
[04:38] <farous_away> if i were you i would either google it or search the forum
[04:39] <Howitzer> which i did
[04:39] <Howitzer> and i found some answers that may have disabled the accelleration
[04:42] <farous_away> Howitzer: it took me two month to make my ati work properly :( but heard nvidia are better
[04:42] <Howitzer> yeah
[04:42] <Howitzer> nvidia supplies native drivers :D
[04:42] <Howitzer> i heard ati doesn't, or they were really crappy
[04:43] <farous_away> crappy is the perfect word
[04:43] <farous_away> that is why it is strange to find someone complain about nvidia
[04:43] <kosh> the ati binary driver can not initialize two radeon cards in a box, that is true of windows and linux
[04:44] <farous_away> did you compile from source
[04:44] <farous_away> kosh did you try setting it as dual head. two devices to BusId
[04:44] <farous_away> for i am setting it like that here with one card
[04:45] <farous_away> and know it work with double cards seen the config scripts
[04:49] <damnhil>  what software do you use for webcam recording?
[04:49] <farous_away> kosh do you have a link just curious? ps i do not get pms as i do not to login as registered today :)
[04:49] <kosh> farous_away: I tried almost every combination I could come up, right now with the oss ati drivers I can run two differnent radeon cards with two monitors on each card for 4 monitors total
[04:50] <kosh> farous_away: they are all referenced by busid
[04:50] <kosh> farous_away: however the proprietary ati driver won't work in that config, actually I can get it to turn on just two of the monitors and fglrx doesn't even try to bind to the other card in the log file from what I could see
[04:51] <kosh> farous_away: I have an x850 and a 9250
[04:51] <farous_away> kosh fglrx hate xinerama
[04:51] <sniff> oh shit
[04:51] <farous_away> so if you have it running either in gdm start file or in the xorg you need to disable it
[04:51] <sniff> bloody hell
[04:51] <farous_away> it handle xinerama internally
[04:51] <sniff> that's really annoying
[04:52] <kosh> farous_away: it is not xinerama even when I turn that off it will only activate one card, that is true under windows also
[04:52] <sniff> i use my fn keys to control the volume, but it mutes the sound and then controls the volume slider
[04:53] <farous_away> kosh i wish i did not delete the link for this guy was runing it on two cards do not think so both were raedon
[04:54] <kosh> farous_away: I tried every search term I could think of to figure out the problem, however I asked about doing it with nvidia cards and was handed configurations on how to do it for those and the person even tested that it would work
[04:54] <djisola> hi
[04:54] <kosh> farous_away: so when I replace this box I am getting two nvidia cards since I can run 4 monitors with xinerama and have it all opengl accelerated
[04:54] <djisola> http://iamerasmus.eltridente.org/juanje/ue/img003.jpeg.html <--- final design for dapper? where is the pyqt gui? and where are the sources?
[04:55] <farous_away> kosh ok yah i regret now going with ati
[04:56] <kosh> ati worked well with what I had earlier on and at the time the nvidia cards where running far hotter and the drivers had more problems then the free software ati drivers do
[04:56] <kosh> so I don't regret my decision but my next system will be nvidia
[05:00] <farous_away> can not find the link :(
[05:01] <Toothpick> If I install kubuntu to a partition on my hd will it automatically detect my other distro and modify grub, or will that need to be done manually?
[05:04] <sniff> what a load of gay
[05:08] <Riddell> sniff: do not use homophobic language on this channel
[05:09] <kkathman> Toothpick:  no it wont
[05:10] <kkathman> Toothpick: unlike other distros, (k)ubuntu does not detect other systems, so you will have to create a manual grub entry for the other ones
[05:10] <kkathman> unless thats changed in Dapper
[05:11] <farous_away> Toothpick: you can do that when during the installation using custom partition
[05:12] <Toothpick> kkathman: ok, thanks.
[05:13] <Toothpick> I have kanotix installed at the moment...works well, just haven't been able to get eternal lands to work.
[05:13] <kkathman> np
[05:13] <Toothpick> Wanted to see if it would be different with ubuntu...
[05:14] <kkathman> Toothpick:  Im hoping that ubuntu/kubuntu will incorporate the auto-detect feature in the future. I
[05:15] <kkathman> Perhaps they are working on it, but last time I checked in, they still had no such capability, unfortunately
[05:15] <Toothpick> What I should do is install kubuntu first, and then kanotix ;)
[05:16] <Toothpick> I'll just try the live cd, that will tell me if eternal lands will work with it.
[05:16] <kkathman> Toothpick:  yes if you have that option its best to install kubuntu first, let it write the mbr/grub, then backup your menu.lst, then install your other system.
[05:17] <kkathman> if Kanotix does autodetect, then yer in great shape
[05:18] <kkathman> if not, then install Kanotix and modify the backed up GRUB
[05:21] <pointwood> so, how scary is kubuntu dapper currently?
[05:21] <pointwood> lots of bugs or does it work resonably well?
[05:21] <kkathman> pointwood: its more than a month away, perhaps 2 from release, so its still rough
[05:21] <kkathman> its tolerable I'd guess
[05:22] <pointwood> you're running it?
[05:22] <kkathman> but you still have lots of updates
[05:22] <pointwood> k
[05:22] <kkathman> I am not, no, but have coleagues that are
[05:23] <pointwood> I guess I'd better wait :)
[05:23] <pointwood> especially considering that I'll probably be without an internet connection for a little while sortly
[05:23] <pointwood> * shortly
[05:24] <pointwood> I just wanted to upgrade to the new amarok beta :)
[05:45] <JasonF> What is the default sound system of kubuntu?
[05:45] <JasonF> Like i'm installing VLC, should I use arts plugin or alsa
[05:46] <_mindspin> can anyone tell me how to disable kaffeine running in background after being closed?
[05:50] <jpatrick> cya!
[05:51] <jaydp> anybody. how do u play mp3 in kubuntu?
[05:52] <tinin> install libraries needed, jaydp
[05:53] <tinin> gstreamer-mad
[05:53] <jpatrick> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:53] <jaydp> i have already done that, gstreamer-mad
[05:57] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[06:01] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:05] <vge> if i need to ./configure  what was the prefix something to point the configure where KDE is located?
[06:05] <vge> or something
[06:05] <jpatrick> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[06:06] <vge> Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:06] <vge> still complains ""
[06:07] <jpatrick> install libqt3-mt-dev
[06:07] <vge> is installed
[06:08] <hello\> After a resent upgrade, xine-engine refuses to play mp3 files. How can I fix this?
[06:08] <hello\> I'm running dapper.
[06:09] <RoccoBG> hi, I've just download Kubuntu and I wanted to write it to a CD. However, when I try to do it Nero comes with error that there isnt enough space. Required is 1.3GB where I got 700MB obviously. Do I just burn the .iso image and install it from the CD or does it need extracting?
[06:10] <jpatrick> RoccoBG: no
[06:10] <RoccoBG> no what?
[06:10] <jpatrick> don't extract
[06:10] <RoccoBG> ah
[06:11] <RoccoBG> so just burn it right?
[06:11] <jpatrick> yes
[06:11] <jpatrick> as image
[06:11] <RoccoBG> Excellent, that will save me a lot of hassle
[06:11] <RoccoBG> pheew
[06:11] <RoccoBG> thanks man
[06:12] <jpatrick> no problem
[06:17] <vge> hmm, how do i point ./configure a KDE library folder or something, somebody here mentioned it the last time, now i cant find it anywhere
[06:21] <herv> hi
[06:25] <sniff> what is the command to format please?
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> sniff: man mkfs
[06:25] <sniff> ahh damn man pages
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> sniff: there's mkfs.vfat mkfs.ext2 mkfs.ext3, etc.
[06:26] <sniff> i need reiser
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> sniff: why? reiser blows.
[06:26] <sniff> why does it blow?
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> sniff: it's not very fast. I think when they finally stabilized it over the last few years all their fixes made is slower than even ext3.
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> ext3 is actually one of the faster FS'es.
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> sniff: http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html
[06:29] <kwewu14> i'm trying jfs right now.
[06:29] <kwewu14> i like it.
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> I had the worst problems with reiserfs3 a few years back and I won't touch it with a 10' pole now.
[06:34] <kosh> I had some nasty issues with it as well
[06:35] <MetaMorfoziS> !kooldock
[06:35] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MetaMorfoziS
[06:35] <kosh> so far I have had the fewest problems with xfs and ext2/ext3
[06:35] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody use kooldock
[06:35] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[06:35] <gamma> Kopete has removed support for the old XSL based chat window themes and now supports the same chat window themes that the Mac OS X client Adium uses.
[06:35] <jpatrick> MetaMorfoziS: you know, I think I'll package that
[06:35] <gamma> wohoo
[06:35] <kosh> reiserfs3 is not even maintained anymore really
[06:35] <vge> configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. <-- what do i need to do with this one? :/
[06:35] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, a new repository
[06:35] <kosh> and hans wants to put reiserfs4 in which will probably have even more problems
[06:35] <MetaMorfoziS> but if i try to isntall it
[06:36] <MetaMorfoziS> it said can't install
[06:36] <gamma> anyone here try the amarok beta? how is it?
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS> it said:
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS>  Fgg ettl: kdelibs4 (>=4:3.4.2) but it is not installable
[06:37] <MetaMorfoziS>  Fgg ettl: libqt3c102-mt (>=3:3.3.3) but it is not installable
[06:38] <djib> how can I turn off wireless network detection in KDE ? It uses a lot of battery power and I don't use it !
[06:39] <MetaMorfoziS> boot up manager?
[06:40] <MetaMorfoziS> apt-get install bum
[06:44] <kwewu14> ok, i was sKeptiKal....
[06:45] <kwewu14> but i'm really happy with kubuntu now.
[06:45] <kwewu14> no slower than a system compiled from scatch.
[06:45] <kwewu14> scratch.
[06:46] <vge> what prefix i need to give to ./configure that it finds the Qt or something :/
[06:47] <trappist> vge: it should be able to find them if you have them installed
[06:47] <djib> kwewu14: you still can compile almost anything using apt-build
[06:47] <trappist> vge: but if you're *sure* you have them installed, ./configure --help to see how to specify their location
[06:47] <Riddell> kwewu14: great :)
[06:47] <djib> kwewu14: thus making your kubuntu a gentoo-like system
[06:49] <vge> well, how can i be positive to see where they are?
[06:50] <trappist> vge: apt-cache search libqt3 | grep dev and install those.  they should end up in /usr/include and/or /usr/include/qt3
[06:53] <vge> trappist: the packet is installed, but ill check the dirs
[06:54] <vge> well all i can say that there are meny files in /usr/include and /usr/include/qt3
[06:56] <trappist> vge: try ./configure --help and if all else fails, have a look at the configure script and see what it's looking for.  for example, it might be looking for qt4 headers (for some reason)
[06:57] <sniff> what is the command to copy a directory?
[06:57] <vge> well i have configured this earlier with some path to KDE something but cant find the reference anymore :/
[06:57] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody know, how can i install kooldock ?
[06:58] <djib> how can I turn off wireless network detection in KDE ? It uses a lot of battery power and I don't use it !
[06:58] <gamma> djib: do you have a button on the laptop to disable it?
[06:58] <djib> no gamma
[06:58] <djib> well at least I don't think so
[06:59] <djib> yeah, I'm pretty sure there aren't, I just checked
[06:59] <gamma> can you disable it in windows?
[06:59] <djib> gamma: yes
[06:59] <eidolon> grrr.  okay, firefox keeps popping up the crossover license expiration thingy.
[06:59] <eidolon> how do i disable crossover?
[06:59] <sniff> what is the command to copy     /home/user/firefox   to /opt? much appreciated
[07:00] <gamma> djib: see anything in the kcontrol panel?
[07:00] <djib> well not really
[07:01] <djib> gamma : it says eth0 -> desactivated
[07:01] <djib> but it does keep on looking for the network
[07:02] <gamma> how bad is it killing your battery life?
[07:02] <djib> well I have 1h45 on Windows and 45 minutes on Linux
[07:02] <djib> roughly
[07:02] <gamma> ouch
[07:02] <djib> yes !!
[07:02] <djib> not good !
[07:03] <gamma> the only thing i can think of which is very hackerish is to find the name of the internal wireless card module and 'sudo modprobe -r' it
[07:04] <aitor> I, I've got a problem with usb devices
[07:04] <djib> gamma: yes I thought of that... I was just wondering if there were a nicer way to go
[07:04] <aitor> whenever I plug an usb pen drive , my system tries to automount it and fails saying :"can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[07:05] <aitor> but I am able to mount it by sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/...
[07:05] <aitor> why could it be?
[07:05] <gamma> djib: did you mess with iwconfig?
[07:06] <djib> gamma: what is iwconfig ?
[07:06] <gamma> man iwconfig.. there's a power flag
[07:06] <djib> ok
[07:07] <yellow> hi
[07:07] <gamma> you can atleast disable it from searching anyway with that
[07:08] <djib> gamma: strange I did a iwconfig eth0 power off and it keeps on flashing
[07:08] <gamma> that disables power management
[07:08] <djib> ok ^^
[07:08] <gamma> try iwconfig wlan0 period 60
[07:08] <gamma> and see if that does anything
[07:09] <djib> hang on I tried doing a power on but it says
[07:09] <djib> Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) :
[07:09] <djib>     SET failed on device eth0 ; Operation not supported.
[07:09] <gamma> so iwconfig is out then :P
[07:09] <djib> damn
[07:10] <djib> how come it flashes then !
[07:10] <gamma> there isn't a Fn+key combo that is supposed to disable it?
[07:11] <djib> loooooooool
[07:11] <gamma> if not i suggest modprobe -r modulename
[07:11] <gamma> djib: is there?
[07:11] <djib> yes :D :D
[07:11] <gamma> and it disabled it?
[07:11] <djib> I never thought it would work
[07:11] <djib> yes
[07:11] <gamma> :P
[07:12] <djib> I thought those keys were only binded in windows
[07:12] <yellow> kubunto rocks
[07:12] <gamma> nah i think they're linked to acpi or something
[07:12] <gamma> powermanagement..
[07:12] <djib> yeah man ! even turning of the screen works
[07:12] <djib> this is cool
[07:12] <gamma> haha
[07:12] <djib> I used it all the time when I was on windows
[07:13] <gamma> i wish my laptop had that support
[07:13] <djib> IBM rocks
[07:13] <gamma> i have an external wireless card, hibernate doesn't work.. lid switch doesn't work
[07:13] <gamma> yea i was looking at ibm when i got my laptop
[07:13] <gamma> i knew they had good linux support..
[07:13] <djib> yes !
[07:13] <djib> I'm soo happy of my laptop
[07:14] <gamma> only thing is.. i like how my laptop screen does 1600x1200 for resolution :P
[07:14] <djib> It's quite expensive though
[07:14] <gamma> yea ibm is expensive for what you get
[07:14] <djib> gamma : the new version of mine also does. But it's not an IBM
[07:14] <gamma> it's HEAVY though
[07:15] <gamma> like 7 pounds or something
[07:15] <aitor> gamma, 1600x1200? O_o
[07:15] <gamma> aitor: yea 0.o
[07:15] <djib> ... apparently this is not the only problem for the battery
[07:15] <djib> it still displays 45 minutes left
[07:15] <aitor> I want a laptop like yours :)~~
[07:16] <gamma> aitor: you don't know how much i want a small 12" laptop that weighs 3 pounds now
[07:16] <aitor> lol
[07:16] <gamma> this one isn't portable
[07:16] <gamma> it's like carrying a bag of rocks
[07:16] <gamma> djib: did you ever let the battery totally drain? sometimes that isn't accurate
[07:16] <gamma> it could be inaccurate in windows too
[07:16] <djib> well yes
[07:16] <aitor> 7 pounds is like....3,5kg?
[07:17] <gamma> 7 pounds = 3.17514659 kilograms
[07:17] <gamma> gotta love google ;)
[07:17] <djib> gamma when is says 0% it can stay up for about an extra hour
[07:17] <yellow> kubuntu on an IBM r51 rocks
[07:17] <aitor> ;)
[07:17] <gamma> djib: in windows or linux?
[07:17] <djib> yellow on a T40 as well
[07:17] <djib> gamma both I'd say
[07:17] <yellow> :-D
[07:17] <aitor> I'm buying a HP dv8050 this week, weights a little more
[07:17] <gamma> so then see how it goes
[07:17] <aitor> but it will be nearly a mobile desktop though
[07:18] <neoncode> Hey I installed the latest bit torrent via .deb but how do I launch it? And what changes to I need to make to my NAT?
[07:19] <gamma> aitor: got a link to the stats for that laptop?
[07:21] <djib> is there a way I could change the remaining time that klaptopdeamon displays ?
[07:21] <aitor> yeah, wait till i find it...but it's a Turion ML-37, 1024MB DDR RAM, 160 (2x80) GB HDD and Ati XPRESS 200
[07:21] <gamma> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_series.do?series_name=dv8000z_series&catLevel=2&category=notebooks/hp_pavilion&storeName=computer_store
[07:21] <gamma> is it that?
[07:21] <gamma> 17 inch screen? 0.
[07:21] <gamma> o
[07:22] <gamma> djib: it goes off of whatever /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info displays
[07:22] <gamma> cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info
[07:22] <gamma> or 'cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state' rather
[07:22] <djib> design capacity:         47520 mWh
[07:22] <djib> last full capacity:      10500 mWh
[07:22] <djib> that could explain a lot
[07:22] <gamma> check the other one
[07:23] <djib> I haven't used windows in a while
[07:23] <djib> maybe it my battery is just dying
[07:23] <gamma> i got rid of windows for good a few weeks back
[07:23] <gamma> check the state one
[07:23] <djib> ?
[07:23] <gamma> see what the remaining capacity is
[07:23] <aitor> yea, the one with 17" 1440x900 screen
[07:23] <gamma> or 'cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state' rather
[07:23] <aitor> 1500 euro
[07:23] <gamma> aitor: that's going to be a HUGE laptop :P
[07:23] <skypa> "kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so" <-- is there a hint/website/wiki on how to resolve that problem?
[07:24] <skypa> using breezy with kde351
[07:24] <gamma> skypa: is kmail crashing because of it?
[07:24] <skypa> well, it ain't starting up
[07:24] <aitor> yeah, I've seen it, but I will use it as a mobile desktop , as I live between two cities
[07:24] <djib> gamma what do you mean by state 1 ?
[07:24] <skypa> so yes, I guess :)
[07:24] <aitor> not going to take it to the park or so
[07:24] <gamma> djib: just type that line in
[07:24] <gamma> or 'cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state' rather
[07:24] <djib> I did
[07:24] <aitor> if that was the case, I'd buy a small but "cute" ibook :D
[07:25] <gamma> what's it say for remaining capacity?
[07:25] <djib> next pc I get will be a mac
[07:25] <aitor> Powerbooks are far too expensive
[07:25] <aitor> and Ibooks are short for me, I think
[07:25] <gamma> i want a 12" powerbook/macbook pro when that comes out
[07:26] <gamma> or a small dell
[07:26] <aitor> I won't spend 2000  to have a Powerbook
[07:26] <aitor> no way
[07:26] <aitor> cause I hate 12" screens, and that's the "cheap" Powerbook
[07:26] <gamma> skypa: were all the packages upgradeed and did you restart kde/kdm?
[07:27] <skypa> yes they were, but I just figured it out
[07:27] <gamma> i want something small though.. if you have to carry your 17inch laptop around all the time you'll see what i mean
[07:27] <skypa> a forced reinstall solved it
[07:27] <gamma> skypa: ah
[07:27] <skypa> some dep trouble with "libmimelib1c2a" as it seems
[07:28] <skypa> wobbly windows for the win :)
[07:28] <gamma> i'm waiting until someone makes a package of it
[07:29] <gamma> it should be easy for dapper since it's just a xorg module
[07:29] <gamma> what does everyone use for a default homepage?
[07:29] <skypa> me too
[07:29] <gamma> google? 0.o
[07:29] <skypa> google, yes
[07:31] <aitor> google dying?
[07:31] <aitor> on what dimension of the multiverse?
[07:31] <gamma> by dying i mean stocking falling off the face of the map
[07:32] <gamma> stocking = stock
[07:32] <gamma> lol
[07:33] <aitor> lol
[07:35] <aitor> I hope kubuntu won't give any problem on that HP laptop
[07:35] <skypa> gl
[07:36] <skypa> great, the 8xxx nvidia driver finally made the composite mode stable
[07:36] <djib> do you know a good ftp client for kde
[07:36] <djib> konqueror doesn't like my ftp
[07:37] <gamma> skypa: you should just switch to dapper
[07:37] <skypa> why's that, gamma?
[07:37] <gamma> because you seem to like bleeding edge
[07:38] <skypa> I sure do ;)
[07:38] <skypa> you wouldn't know where to get some decent dapper repositories, do you?
[07:38] <skypa> since my sources.list is quite bloated atm
[07:38] <aitor> what will be the major changes from breezy to dapper?
[07:38] <djib> aitor: pen tablets !!!!!!!
[07:39] <gamma> skypa: i didn't even really modify my dapper list because it's got everything new for the most part
[07:39] <skypa> you installed from a dapper cd?
[07:39] <gamma> there are some bugs in it though :P.. i'm having a problem with cups
[07:39] <gamma> yea
[07:39] <djib> is dapper stable enough to be used ?
[07:39] <aitor> djib, what are pen tablets?
[07:39] <djib> I tried fligh 1 it was not great
[07:40] <terrax> Hmm do you have any idea what this could mean? bin_PROGRAMS: variable `Xglx_programs' is used but `Xglx_programs' is undefined. Its when running a autogen.sh
[07:40] <skypa> aitor, don't you know those digital tablets on which you can draw with a plastic pen directly to your monitor?
[07:40] <gamma> djib: only bug i have is the latest nvidia drivers make the console blank and i can't print
[07:40] <aitor> o yes :D
[07:40] <djib> aitor: it's stuff you use to draw and to do image post processing. It's a pointing device, just like a mouse. Configuration in dapper will be very easy !
[07:40] <aitor> that rocks, my bro will be happy with that :D
[07:40] <djib> gamma: ok
[07:40] <djib> and when is dapper supposed to be released?
[07:40] <aitor> he loves image processing :D
[07:41] <terrax> Anyone?
[07:41] <gamma> april 4th
[07:41] <aitor> april, djib, or so it should be
[07:41] <gamma> or aprilish
[07:41] <djib> ok, I'll wait then
[07:41] <skypa> I second that
[07:41] <djib> I've gotta run
[07:41] <djib> see you all
[07:42] <gamma> 6.04 = april, 2006.. 5.10 = october 2005
[07:42] <skypa> how come gamma?
[07:42] <aitor> version numbering is never clear in any software product lol
[07:42] <gamma> or nm i guess it works
[07:43] <gamma> i was thinking we're going to be at version 20 in 2020, but that works
[07:43] <gamma> ubuntu 20.05 might get a little confusing/annoying though
[07:44] <skypa> brb
[07:44] <aitor> don't worry, by that year world will have been destroyed lol
[07:44] <gamma> that's the spirit!
[07:45] <gamma> i just don't want it to turn into this series.. http://www.nowthatsmusic.com/ :P
[07:45] <keitsi> we'll all be under sea by 2020 :P
[07:45] <gamma> gotta love now volume 20
[07:46] <yellow> i dont like konverstion....i think il go back to irsii
[07:46] <gamma> konversation .19 is great imo
[07:46] <gamma> i switched from using irssi for the last 2 years to it
[07:47] <gamma> i still use irssi when chatting over ssh though
[07:47] <yellow> do you like it? istarted it for the first time today:)
[07:47] <yellow> thats my plan also
[07:48] <gamma> yea konversation does everything right.. it's simple
[07:48] <yellow> okay than i wil give it a try
[08:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> Hello, anyone tried Xgl yet with Dapper?
[08:05] <yellow> why do SIM and kopete crash under breezy if the get a msg from an ICQv9 client?
[08:06] <damnhil> What's the best web camera to buy for v4l?
[08:07] <slewis> anybody having difficukty upgarding to kde 3.5.1?
[08:07] <damnhil> slewis: i would not dare to upgrade to 3.5.1
[08:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> Hello, anyone tried Xgl yet with Dapper?
[08:08] <slewis> why?
[08:11] <vge> slewis: no problem here
[08:13] <_anilk> slewis: kde 3.5.1 on breezy ?
[08:13] <_anilk> slewis: for me it went thru fine
[08:15] <slewis> i get the message "The following packages have been kept back"
[08:16] <slewis> which are all of them
[08:17] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...what are the recomended webcams to use with kubuntu?
[08:18] <slewis> i'm having the same problems upgrading to 3.5.1 as other users in the forum
[08:18] <charwood> I've got a USB drive icon on my desktop.  When I try and mount it, it says that only root can mount it.  How do I give my own user permision to mount that device?
[08:18] <charwood> Option in fstab?  Chowning /dev/sda1?
[08:21] <slewis> i aslo get this "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 68 not upgraded"
[08:21] <slewis> is there something i'm missing
[08:22] <charwood> slewis: Are you doing apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:22] <slewis> tried that
[08:22] <slewis> still wind up with the same result
[08:25] <jihi> hi
[08:25] <jihi> how can i save the packages, i have already downloaded, so that i can use them on another system too?
[08:32] <zicero> hi all could someone help me out of a i think standard noob situation .. im trying to apt-get this_and_that but i keep getting "E: Package XXX has no installation candidate" .. do i have to set up repos like with yum or is the phrase "from universe repo" of any importance ?
[08:32] <zicero> huh sorry re-nick-ing
[08:34] <matt24> Hello, my system is buggered and needs to be fixed
[08:34] <matt24> getting alot og errors
[08:34] <matt24> any way to restore my install
[08:34] <matt24> or do I have to reinstall
[08:35] <ace> openoffice crashes all the time ! aaaggh....
[08:36] <vge> ita: yes, if you havent allready, you need to set the repos
[08:36] <matt24> how do I update my system from termial
[08:36] <matt24> terminal
[08:37] <ita> (kde) adept / manage repos shows me i have like 10 repos set up (not me default) .. so i need to find a good repo list now ?
[08:39] <litb> can i use debian packages with kubuntu?
[08:39] <litb> etch?
[08:39] <vge> yes
[08:39] <ita> for example im following doc on kubuntuwiki telling me to get k3b-mp3 .. apt-get yields in the error i posted adept doesnt find results
[08:39] <vge> i have atm about 17K packgages available
[08:39] <litb> are they compatible?
[08:39] <vge> moust are
[08:40] <litb> cool
[08:40] <litb> most?
[08:40] <litb> hopefully libstdc++ is..
[08:40] <litb> i plan to move from suse to kubuntu
[08:41] <litb> does kubuntu have regulary security updates?
[08:41] <gilrim> not in the same way as susa afaik. you update manually thru the package manager
[08:42] <gilrim> or you could probably use cron to some extent
[08:42] <litb> hmm, can't i just add a source into apt/sources.list
[08:42] <litb> and do apt-get upgrade ?
[08:42] <litb> as in debian?
[08:42] <gilrim> as root, yes
[08:42] <gilrim> sure
[08:43] <litb> and are the packages recent?
[08:43] <gilrim> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade or something
[08:43] <litb> i mean gnome libs too?
[08:43] <litb> for gimp etc
[08:43] <litb> for example, what X is used atm in kubuntu?
[08:44] <gilrim> I'm more or less aa newbie myself, but I guess you'd get those updates as well, altho ubuntu is more gnoe centric (?)
[08:44] <litb> can u tell me what X you use?
[08:45] <litb> pleaze...
[08:45] <gilrim> sure - if you can tell me how I'd know :p
[08:45] <gilrim> what command would I issue?
[08:45] <litb> X -version
[08:46] <litb> should work
[08:46] <litb> don'T have a linux box right here
[08:46] <litb> but i'm pretty sure
[08:46] <gilrim> "X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2" and a whole bunch of kubuntu versions?
[08:47] <litb> k, thx
[08:47] <gilrim> ie: it's giving more info, but as far as I can tell that's to do with kubuntu
[08:47] <gilrim> np
[08:47] <litb> seems that it doesn't use 7.0 ...
[08:47] <litb> i use 7.0 here
[08:47] <litb> self compiled
[08:47] <gilrim> would there be any reason to upgrade?
[08:48] <litb> sure
[08:48] <litb> cairo-clock
[08:48] <gilrim> btw: do you think you could help me make fuse work? ( or someone else for that matter)
[08:48] <gilrim> cairo-clock?
[08:49] <litb> http://download.freshmeat.net/screenshots/58342.png
[08:49] <litb> i don't have any clue about fuse
[08:50] <litb> what do you want to do?
[08:50] <gilrim> well, I've installed fuse (or tried that is)
[08:51] <litb> is kubuntu stable?
[08:51] <gilrim> and running fuseftp gives me this: Can't locate auto/Fuse/autosplit.ix in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl/5.8/AutoLoader.pm line 160.
[08:51] <gilrim> as far as I can tell, yeah
[08:51] <litb> here, i'm on a bleeding edge system, using initng
[08:52] <litb> i'm a perl fool
[08:52] <gilrim> that's one of several occurances of that file
[08:52] <litb> never have tried fuse. i think it is time to do
[08:52] <gilrim> so it would see that the path's are off?
[08:52] <litb> i could mount my hp into my root
[08:53] <gilrim> yeah, I'd die to have a ftp mounted locally
[08:53] <litb> and let quanta work on it
[08:53] <MetaMorfoziS> where is the list of the umask-s parameters?
[08:53] <gilrim> fuse's got some ntfs read write going, right?
[08:53] <MetaMorfoziS> @ /etc/fstab ?
[08:54] <litb> hmm, how is fuse and ntfs related?
[08:54] <gilrim> fuse is a loader for filessystems?
[08:54] <MetaMorfoziS> i want to set up for only one user have the permission to view mounted partitions
[08:55] <litb> but i don'T see the relation to the ntfs driver
[08:56] <litb> is there a new ntfs driver developed for fuse?
[08:57] <ita> let me ask one more thing : is there a way to get outlook mails as in exchange server and ad in the back (i used evolution on fc3) ?
[08:59] <gilrim> I'm pretty sure evolution's availibe for kubuntu, but thunderbird's got imap suppurt, so I don't see why you would't just use that?
[08:59] <gilrim> so for ad, are ou thinking for logins and such?
[08:59] <litb> Kubuntu Dapper Drake wil be the next version. i see...
[08:59] <litb> then i probably switch
[09:00] <gilrim> http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems#TOC
[09:00] <gilrim> ntfsmount is part of ntfsprogs package. It's rely on libntfs, thus it have more features than kernel driver. ntfsmount supports file overwrite with changes to file size, have limited file and directory creation/deletion support and can operate with named data streams. CVS version also supports special Interix files (symlinks, block and character devies, FIFOs and sockets).
[09:01] <ita> i needed a special exchange connector for evolution
[09:01] <gilrim> ita: but it was availibe thru adept or?
[09:02] <litb> ah, ok
[09:02] <litb> rdale: hi, im already here :)
[09:03] <rdale> ah, I see hi!
[09:03] <ita> i didnt check until now .. im just looking around on my "20-min-old-os-desktop" and i found kontact so im curious if thats a evolution replacement maybe
[09:05] <litb> gilrim: have you tried this: http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=KIO+Fuse+Gateway
[09:05] <litb> ?
[09:05] <litb> it looks fine
[09:06] <ita> ok thanks again ill be back tomorrow installing kubuntu in office ciao
[09:07] <jatos> hi
[09:09] <litb> does kubuntu startup fast?
[09:09] <jatos> reasonable fast
[09:09] <MetaMorfoziS> only fo me loads slowly the www.kde-look.org
[09:09] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[09:09] <jatos> more to the point, it runs fast once its started
[09:09] <litb> it loads heavy slowly
[09:10] <litb> kde-look.org i mean
[09:10] <jatos> ah
[09:10] <litb> try wxwidgets.org
[09:10] <litb> it's slow too
[09:10] <litb> there must be a backbone gone
[09:12] <jatos> anyone here ever had their box hacked?
[09:12] <charwood> I've got a USB drive icon on my desktop.  When I try and mount it, it says that only root can mount it.  How do I give my own user permision to mount that device?
[09:12] <litb> charwood: pmount
[09:13] <litb> it's a fine utility
[09:13] <litb> let you mount removable media without being root
[09:13] <charwood> litb: Thanks.
[09:13] <jatos> I got mine hacked earlier, not surprising my security procedures aren't the bets on earth and I had it connected directly to the net
[09:13] <charwood> litb: Can I configure KDE to do this automatically with my desktop device icon?
[09:14] <litb> what?
[09:15] <litb> remove it? :)
[09:15] <charwood> litb: I'd like to be able to use KDE context menus to mount/unmount that device.
[09:15] <litb> yes, afaik KDE uses pmount automatically
[09:15] <litb> if it's availaible
[09:15] <charwood> litb: Excellent.  Thank you again.
[09:16] <litb> at least on my system
[09:16] <litb> but my KDE uses hal
[09:16] <quinn> ok, I just installed Kubuntu to compare it to Ubuntu and I am experiencing some VERY strange behaviour
[09:16] <quinn> I set my .bash_profile to a single line as follows:
[09:17] <quinn> exec env -i HOME=$HOME TERM=$TERM PS1='\$ ' /bin/bash
[09:17] <quinn> it should then execute a non-login shell which would read my .bashrc, which does not override my PS1 variable
[09:17] <quinn> and yet when I do source .bash_profile
[09:18] <quinn> it fills in the system default prompt (which I hate, it's a waste of space)
[09:18] <quinn> why?
[09:18] <ubijtsa> quinn: .bash_profile is read once - at login
[09:18] <ubijtsa> quinn: .bashrc is read for every shell started
[09:19] <ubijtsa> if /etc/bashrc sets the prompt - it will over-ride your .bash_profile
[09:19] <aitor> hi
[09:20] <aitor> I've got a painful problem with usb pen devices
[09:21] <aitor> when i plug one, my system says It cannot mount it because there is no entry in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:21] <aitor> I can mount it with sudo mount though
[09:21] <litb> use pmount
[09:21] <aitor> if I add my user to plugdev group, the system behaves strangely
[09:21] <aitor> pmount is already installed on my system
[09:21] <litb> it's excellent
[09:21] <litb> hmm
[09:22] <quinn> ubijtsa I have a ~/.bashrc, is it still reading /etc/bashrc?
[09:22] <charwood> litb: I guess you must get that question a lot.  (-8
[09:22] <aitor> well pmount is installed, but is there any way I should tell my system to use it, or does it use it by default?
[09:22] <ubijtsa> quinn: it reads /etc/bashrc first, then ~/.bashrc - it is in the man-page somewhere
[09:23] <quinn> cat: /etc/bashrc: No such file or directory
[09:23] <ubijtsa> hmm. let me find it
[09:23] <litb> charwood: yes, youre right
[09:23] <aitor> don't know if it has anything to do with this, but I cannot access my camera with other user than root
[09:23] <quinn> I'm just accustomed to things working a bit differently, I guess
[09:23] <ubijtsa>  /etc/bash.bashrc
[09:24] <litb> and i oftenhave problems with it, since i installed udev and hal and so on myself
[09:24] <litb> and have to set up rules
[09:24] <aitor> It all began when I had to wipe  my old user due to a strange problem :S
[09:24] <quinn> aitor: then the device representing your camera has bad permissions, create a group, camera, then chgrp your camera device to camera, and enable the necessary group permissions
[09:24] <ubijtsa> quinn: you should also have a /etc/profile
[09:25] <quinn> aitor: then you can add users to the camera group
[09:25] <quinn> ubijtsa: looking now
[09:26] <Donvinzk> hi, in my gtk app, I do not have double clic enabled, what should I do ?
[09:26] <aitor> quinn, is there any way of doing this independently of the exact device? because I often have to plug 2 or 3 different cameras
[09:26] <ubijtsa> quinn: you can in addition to ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile have a ~/.bash_login and a ~/.bash_logout :)
[09:27] <quinn> ubijtsa: interesting, there's a nested if structure that tests for $PS1, then for $BASH, then sets the ugly default prompt
[09:27] <ubijtsa> quinn: you can redefine PS1 - PS4 in your own .bashrc
[09:27] <eightiesk> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/554808
[09:29] <quinn> aitor: you'd want to look at documentation for udev and hotplug, I'm from the old school BSD approach to UNIX, and know very little about the Linux approach to dynamically creating /dev
[09:29] <aitor> ok, thanks
[09:29] <_andy> hey guys
[09:29] <quinn> aitor: sorry :(
[09:29] <_andy> anyone speak german and can help me?
[09:29] <aitor> no problem, at least you tried to help ;)
[09:30] <quinn> ich spreche ein bisschen
[09:30] <ubijtsa> maybe there is a #kubuntu-de ?
[09:30] <quinn> aitor: I expect udev has some kind of rule about this sort of thing
[09:30] <_andy> mein bildschirm hat ziemliche strungen ich glaub das liegt an irgendeiner konfiguration
[09:30] <vge> es pasen right vaisen (sry, played only mohaa :)
[09:31] <_andy> die strungen gehen mit dem fenster
[09:31] <larsivi> !de
[09:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[09:32] <quinn> _andy:  tut mir leid, ich kenne das Wort bildshirm nicht...
[09:32] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[09:32] <quinn> s/bildshirm/bildschirm/
[09:32] <Psi-Jack> Can ya'll please go to #kubuntu-de for the German talk?
[09:33] <Psi-Jack> Anyway.
[09:34] <quinn> sorry, didn't realize such a thing existed
[09:34] <Psi-Jack> I have a problem trying to install Kubuntu on one of my servers, and I experienced the same problem on this system I'm on now, with a multi-level partitioning arrangement. Making /usr, /var, /home, etc..
[09:34] <quinn> why would you use kubuntu for a server?
[09:34] <Psi-Jack> It gets to installing the image-386, for the kernel, and fails.
[09:34] <Psi-Jack> quinn: Because it's better than running Debian as a server?
[09:35] <quinn> define 'better'
[09:35] <Psi-Jack> Better is an opinionated term. I don't like Debian for my reasons.
[09:35] <quinn> fair enough
[09:35] <quinn> have you considered something not in that vein?
[09:36] <Psi-Jack> There's a server mode install of Kubuntu. It doesn't install all the extra kubuntu-desktop stuff.
[09:36] <quinn> so in that case what is the advantage of running Kubuntu over, for instance, Debian testing?
[09:37] <Psi-Jack> For one. "Stable" is the key. Kubuntu/Ubuntu updates every 6 months. Debian hasn't updated a full version in 2 years.
[09:37] <Nilisco> When did sarge come out?
[09:38] <quinn> actually debian JUST updated the full version
[09:38] <Psi-Jack> Oh wait, I was wrong. Apparently there was a release just in Dec 20th, 2005.
[09:38] <Psi-Jack> But still. :p
[09:38] <quinn> the ubuntu etc. instaler, for instance, is more or less the same as the current debian stable installer
[09:38] <quinn> oh c'mon now
[09:38] <quinn> most ubuntu packages are pulled straight from debian
[09:39] <quinn> I can only assume they are pulling them from teting
[09:39] <quinn> testing*
[09:39] <jpatrick> yep
[09:39] <quinn> as it turns out
[09:39] <quinn> testing in debian is more stable than most distributions stable branch
[09:39] <quinn> Konversation beats the hell out of XChat
[09:39] <Psi-Jack> quinn: I've had differences in that statement. Some revolve around apt itself being broken.
[09:40] <quinn> if apt is broken, so is ubuntu ;)
[09:40] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. I'm not interested in running Debian.
[09:40] <quinn> what kind of server is it?
[09:41] <Psi-Jack> This is one of many. This will be the webserver.
[09:41] <quinn> if it's just a webserver is doesn;t really matter what you run :)
[09:41] <quinn> a LAMP is a LAMP
[09:41] <supertijano> Hey guys, does anybody have a problem with amaroK crashing randomly?
[09:41] <Psi-Jack> I'm setting up a webserver, mail server, mysql server, and ldap server, all seperately.
[09:42] <quinn> I suggest you look into SuSE
[09:42] <Psi-Jack> I suggest you stop sending me to all other distributions. :p
[09:42] <vge> lamp is the same what ever distro you use :)
[09:42] <quinn> but LDAP is NOT
[09:42] <Psi-Jack> I know what /I/ want.
[09:42] <quinn> have you played with LDAP?
[09:42] <ubijtsa> quinn: there is the little issue of Ubuntu having guaranteed support for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server tho
[09:42] <Psi-Jack> Yes. Yes I have actually.
[09:43] <quinn> ok
[09:43] <quinn> suit yourself then :)
[09:43] <ubijtsa> quinn: Debian does not offer that kind support..
[09:43] <quinn> ubijtsa are you saying that if it breaks, I can sue ubuntu?
[09:43] <quinn> I doubt that VERY much
[09:43] <Psi-Jack> K/ubuntu's OpenLDAP server is fully functional with full LDAPv3 SASL bind support, out of the box, per say.
[09:43] <ubijtsa> quinn: you can try
[09:43] <quinn> you would have to buy ubuntu from a third party
[09:44] <quinn> per se*
[09:44] <ubijtsa> what I am saying is - Dapper Server will still have support in the form of security updates in 2010
[09:44] <quinn> well golly
[09:44] <ubijtsa> Will Sarge have that?
[09:44] <vge> perse is ass in finnish, little offtopic but i guess the meaning was the same ;)
[09:44] <quinn> windows probably will too ;)
[09:45] <Tm_T> vge: perse
[09:45] <quinn> or you could always buy unix from SCO ;)
[09:45] <ubijtsa> quinn: or we could beat you to a pulp for being faaaar to OT ;)
[09:46] <quinn> what is this, #debian? ;)
[09:46] <quinn> in any case
[09:46] <quinn> is there any way for me to override the reading of /etc/profile for a specific user without overriding the reading of my local configuration scripts?
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Debian is ancient to me. Still has /old/ software. KDE 3.3.2, for example. With the head developers asses stuck up their noses, they won't get anywhere. I consider Debian a dead-end street, these days.
[09:48] <Psi-Jack> One moment. Gotta see if it worked this time, installing.
[09:48] <ubijtsa> Debian isn't dead, just not moving fast enough..
[09:48] <quinn> Psi-Jack: UNIX is ancient too, if you want a modern operating system, read up on Plan 9 from Bell Labs, it's their answer to the shortcomings of UNIX
[09:49] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsa: exactly. ;)
[09:49] <Psi-Jack> Which will kill it in the long run.
[09:49] <quinn> Psi-Jack: don't bet on it
[09:49] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsa: But note, I didn't say it was dead. I said it was a dead-end street, and that *I* consider it dead.
[09:50] <ubijtsa> Debian ain't going anywhere in a hurry. If you want something to run on Sparc or Alpha - Debian is a good bet
[09:50] <quinn> Psi-Jack: the flip side of their snail's pace development cycle is that debian stable WILL NOT BREAK
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. My installation failed, AGAIN, trying to install the kernel. :/
[09:50] <quinn> there's a version of FC specifically for the sparc, a friend of mine maintains it
[09:51] <ubijtsa> and considering Ubuntu is feeding all fixes back up the tree, Debian eventually gets good as well
[09:51] <quinn> why does this Cygnus_X1 person insist on spamming the channel with his present music selection?
[09:51] <quinn> Cygnus_X1: get PSI and spam your buddy list
[09:51] <quinn> aww
[09:51] <quinn> too late
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> heg
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[09:52] <ubijtsa> perhaps he is testing the new amarok
[09:52] <supertijano> Does the new amaroK do that?
[09:52] <quinn> I have a friend who works on the PSI project, and he is attempting to integrate the new amaroK with PSI's pubsub
[09:52] <Psi-Jack> Why does Kubuntu's installation fail, trying to install the kernel? It's worked for me, ONLY when I have a /boot and / partition, but when I add in /usr, /var, and /home or more, it fails.
[09:53] <quinn> Psi-Jack: are you getting any errors?
[09:53] <pointwood> supertijano: the current amaroK does it too
[09:53] <Psi-Jack> It's saying basically, it couldn't install the kernel, and to read the /target/var/log/bootstrap.log, which doesn't exist.
[09:53] <pointwood> do a /media in Konversation
[09:54] <supertijano> I don't know, my amaroK keeps crashing. :(
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyone here have been able to compile by hand the last gtk+?
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> some program that i need use the last version but it is not in the reps
[09:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and i had really hard time in trying to compile it, explicitely with glib
[09:55] <quinn> ubijtsa: I found my problem, it isn't in /etc/profile, my ~/.bash_profile is overriding every environment variable that generates execpt $HOME and $TERM
[09:55] <Psi-Jack> One sec, I'll go see if there was anything more... Specific about the error.
[09:55] <quinn> it's in /etc/bash.bashrc, which is running after .bash_profile but before .bashrc
[09:56] <nat> how can i update to 2.6.14 my kernel ?
[09:56] <quinn> I propose to correct it by setting the --rcfile switch in my .bashrc to read only the local .bashrc
[09:56] <litb> oh yes, how about the kernels?
[09:56] <litb> are they recent?
[09:56] <ubijtsa> nat: update from what ?
[09:56] <litb> i'm used to use the most recent one, everytime
[09:57] <ubijtsa> litb: in dapper, 2.6.15
[09:57] <nat> ubijtsa : 2.6.12
[09:57] <litb> good, recent enough :)
[09:57] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Here's the full error:
[09:57] <ubijtsa> nat: as far as I know, there isn't a 2.6.14 ubuntu kernel
[09:57] <ubijtsa> there is a 2.6.15 in dapper..
[09:57] <nat> litb: because since 2.6.14 i've some problem with my cdrom
[09:57] <quinn> ubijtsa: no good :(
[09:58] <Psi-Jack> Unable to install the selectect kernel. An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system.  Kernel Package: 'linux-386'
[09:58] <ubijtsa> quinn: no good what? :)
[09:58] <nat> so is it possible to update simply to 2.6.15 ?
[09:58] <Psi-Jack> s/selectect/selected/
[09:58] <pointwood> supertijano: you're not the only one experiencing amaroK crashes...
[09:58] <quinn> ubijtsa: trying to override the system-wide /etc/bash.bashrc
[09:58] <Psi-Jack> What would cause this error, and how can I get it to work? heh. It's rather quite frustrating.
[09:59] <ubijtsa> nat: I don't know what it will do to your system *just* grabbing 2.6.15 from dapper
[09:59] <supertijano> pointwood: do you know what's wrong?
[09:59] <pointwood> nope
[09:59] <supertijano> Hmm
[09:59] <ubijtsa> quinn: you should be able to.. what does the bash man page say?
[09:59] <nat> are you in drapper ?
[10:00] <nat> ubijtsa ?
[10:00] <pointwood> supertijano: but it sounds like they are fixing a lot of crash bugs in the 1.4 version, so I hope that will be better
[10:00] <ubijtsa> nat: you quite likely would need modutils and a bunch of other packages as well...
[10:00] <ubijtsa> nat: no, I am still using Breezy, so 2.6.12 kernel
[10:00] <pointwood> I also hope the eventual switch to gstreamer 0.10 will make it a lot better
[10:00] <supertijano> Yay! Soon. Thanks
[10:01] <nat> because i'm a little bit afraid to upgradeto drapper..
[10:01] <quinn> ubijtsa: --rcfile <file> is supposed to use <file> instead of the default /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bashrc sequence
[10:01] <ubijtsa> nat: from what I have heard, dapper is quite stable
[10:01] <pointwood> dunno what the status is in regards to gstreamer 0.10 though
[10:01] <pointwood> ubijtsa: really?
[10:01] <supertijano> I mean, it seemed to work fine before on SUSE 10
[10:01] <ubijtsa> quinn: hmm
[10:02] <quinn> I copied .bashrc to override.bashrc and then specified --rcfile $HOME/override.bashrc in .bash_profile, but no dice
[10:02] <ubijtsa> pointwood: yeah, been some talk about it on here last couple days
[10:02] <ubijtsa> quinn: there is some other flag as well that prevents loading of env files
[10:02] <Psi-Jack> Can anyone help me with my installation problem? :/
[10:02] <wasp_ems> how do i resolve my ip?
[10:02] <pointwood> supertijano: I must say, I've been messing around quite a bit with my install, so it wouldn't be surprising if it is my own fault that it is crashing here :)
[10:03] <quinn> ubijtsa: I can use --norcfile but that won't souce ANY of my configuration, leaving me with an unconfigured environment
[10:03] <wasp_ems> basically does anyone here use dc++??
[10:03] <pointwood> ubijtsa: okay, I was considering upgrading when I saw the amaroK 1.4 beta release :)
[10:03] <ubijtsa> quinn: how about --noprofile ?
[10:03] <supertijano> pointwood: I reinstalled everything on my laptop like three days ago.
[10:04] <pointwood> k
[10:04] <ubijtsa> pointwood: once I am done with the urgent stuff at work, I'll update there first
[10:04] <quinn> ubijtsa: one possible solution is simply to remove the /etc/bash.bashrc file, but then subsequent upgrades may replace it
[10:04] <ubijtsa> quinn: they will yes
[10:04] <quinn> ubijtsa: I need to read that file and see what all it is doing to my environment
[10:04] <pointwood> ubijtsa: well, I'm going to lose my connection friday, so I think I'll wait
[10:04] <ubijtsa> pointwood: the home server will not be upgraded until April/May
[10:05] <pointwood> until I get a connection again :)
[10:05] <ubijtsa> pointwood: probably a good idea :)
[10:05] <pointwood> yup
[10:05] <UFO> is this working?
[10:05] <supertijano> Oh yeah, I also noticed that when I reinstalled, Adapt was missing a lot of applications I normaly used, but I got them back
[10:06] <pointwood> k
[10:06] <pointwood> supertijano: why did you switch from opensuse?
[10:06] <Mucki> anyone here got wine running on dapper? all i get when i run it in konsole is "killed" :/
[10:07] <supertijano> I'm experimenting.
[10:07] <UFO> do you eny problems with networking on dapper
[10:07] <supertijano> I just recently got a laptop, and SUSE 9 was having trouble with my desktop's graphic cards anyway
[10:07] <pointwood> I've heard really good things about opensuse
[10:07] <nat> what is the exactly name for the source.list to upgrade to drapper ?
[10:08] <supertijano> I like Kubutu better to tell you the truth
[10:08] <slow-motion> bbl
[10:08] <UFO> pointwood: yes i have the suse10 and its looking great
[10:08] <supertijano> I feel like I'm learing more with Kubuntu
[10:08] <pointwood> k
[10:08] <quinn> ubijtsa: it's actually a fairly useful script, it tests for interactivity and returns if none, then it adjusts the lines and columns variables and sets a prompt based on where you may be chrooted, it has a commented section to set titles of xterms to user@hostname:pwd
[10:08] <UFO> pointwood: but i dont like the rpm mess with it
[10:09] <pointwood> next opensuse release is just around the corner IIRC
[10:09] <quinn> ubijtsa: how can I force kubuntu not to update it if I remove it?
[10:09] <pointwood> I don't understand why rpm is a mess
[10:10] <pointwood> if anything is a mess then it is likely the packages themselves
[10:10] <pointwood> not the system
[10:10] <supertijano> I still don't know how to compile from source. Haha
[10:11] <pointwood> you shouldn't have to :)
[10:11] <supertijano> I've tried many times before, but always, some other package is missing
[10:11] <supertijano> I gave up on it.
[10:11] <pointwood> and compiling from source doesn't have much to do with rpm either
[10:12] <ubijtsa> quinn: I don't think you can
[10:12] <pointwood> the reason debian works so well, is that the packages are generally of such a high quality
[10:12] <quinn> ubijtsa: I am really annoyed that I am unable to override this behaviour, is this a bug in bash, or in kubuntu's implementation, that's the question
[10:12] <supertijano> I don't understand too much about these packages anyway.
[10:13] <supertijano> I know a lot of distributions have their own suffix, and then there's compiling from source and I think .rpm
[10:13] <supertijano> That's how I understand it anyway
[10:14] <wasp_ems> anyone know how i can unlock a folder??change permissions on it ??
[10:14] <UFO> chmod
[10:14] <UFO> wasp_ems: use chmod
[10:15] <wasp_ems> well i dont know how to
[10:15] <pointwood> I would say most distros either use .deb (debian) or .rpm (redhat) and then there are the source based distros, where Gentoo is the most famous one
[10:15] <UFO> wasp_ems: do you want to do it graphical or console style?
[10:16] <wasp_ems> i dont mind
[10:16] <wasp_ems> whichever way i will learn so
[10:16] <UFO> try right click on the file and look at permission
[10:16] <supertijano> Oh! So .rpm is redhat. Hehe whoops.
[10:16] <supertijano> I was thinking of .package
[10:16] <UFO> redhat package manager
[10:16] <pointwood> RPM == Redhat Package Manager
[10:16] <pointwood> too slow :)
[10:17] <supertijano> It all makes sense now. haha blonde moment
[10:17] <pointwood> hehe
[10:17] <wasp_ems> UFO: it is forbidden for groups and admin can view
[10:17] <supertijano> So.. I've heard of this Alien program.. What does that do?
[10:18] <jpatrick> !alein
[10:18] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, jpatrick
[10:18] <jpatrick> !alien
[10:18] <ubotu> well, alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[10:18] <Psi-Jack> Unable to install the selected kernel. An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system.  Kernel Package: 'linux-386'   <-- I get this error when I setup an installation to multiple partitions, /boot, /, /usr, /var, /home, etc.. When I setup just a /boot and / it's worked. This has happened on TWO machines now, and I need to know what's wrong, and why it keeps doing this. I would really like some hel
[10:18] <wasp_ems> UFO: any help?
[10:18] <supertijano> So that's all it does. I read that it like "exports" packages or something in Adapt
[10:19] <coolio10> hi everyone
[10:19] <UFO> wasp_ems: for what?
[10:19] <wasp_ems> UFO: for unlocking the files...changing the permissions
[10:19] <coolio10> can anyone show me a copy of a default sources.list for theyre kubuntu?
[10:19] <Psi-Jack> !sources
[10:19] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:20] <supertijano> http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php
[10:20] <pointwood> supertijano: most likely you'll not need it
[10:20] <Psi-Jack> Second link
[10:20] <nat> what is the substitution word for breezy to upgrade to drapper ?
[10:20] <UFO> wasp_ems: did you try right clicking the file and change the permission
[10:20] <wasp_ems> i cannot because i am not in as root
[10:21] <supertijano> I didn't think so. Don't most applications have like 30 packages things on their website for nearly all distros?
[10:21] <coolio10> does deleting the top line in sources.list mess up kubuntu packages? (The to pline tells you to insert the dvd used to install kubuntu)
[10:22] <UFO> wasp_ems: ok... sudo chmod 777 *filename*   ... with that you got right for everyone to do everything
[10:22] <pointwood> maintainership of?
[10:22] <jpatrick> pointwood: the universe repo
[10:22] <pointwood> congrats :)
[10:23] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[10:23] <jpatrick> thank you
[10:23] <Psi-Jack> I've checked the forums. Nothing there regarding my errors. :/
[10:23] <Psi-Jack> Nothing in the Wiki, either.
[10:24] <wasp_ems>  UFO it says read only file system
[10:24] <wasp_ems> UFO: but the root is the only one who can read it..how can i read it?
[10:24] <UFO> wasp_ems: playing around with ntfs?
[10:24] <wasp_ems> UFO: yes
[10:25] <wasp_ems> UFO: i have my external harddrive and windows locked..all i need to do is change the permissions so i can view its content
[10:25] <UFO> wasp_ems: you shouldnt write to it... it can break the partition!
[10:25] <wasp_ems> UFO: i dont want  to write to it
[10:25] <coolio10> can someone post theyre default sources.list for me?
[10:25] <wasp_ems> UFO: just access my files
[10:25] <supertijano> so pointwood, I have another question: in all things I read about linux and specific applications, most of them recomend to compile from the source. Why?
[10:26] <pointwood> really? what applications is that?
[10:26] <supertijano> apache for example. if I remember right
[10:26] <UFO> wasp_ems: try change the permission on system-settings--->drives   or something like that
[10:27] <pointwood> supertijano: don't think so. In any case, the recommended way here would be to install it through adept or with apt-get
[10:29] <ubijtsa> quinn: my guess is bash
[10:29] <supertijano> I remember when I wanted to install it, before I knew of adept hehe, I went on the website and it said to do make and make install and so forth
[10:29] <pointwood> supertijano: generally, I would say that you shouldn't compile it from source if you can find it in the repository
[10:30] <rance> supertijano, the reason some packages suggest compiling from source is because that there are so many options that need to be specified at compile time, sometimes (and I did say sometimes) you just need to install a package from source just so you know what you have and what options you used, when you use a package, you use the options that person felt were reasonable
[10:30] <wasp_ems> UFO: thanx is worked perfectly
[10:31] <pointwood> that is where source based distros excel
[10:31] <UFO> wasp_ems: no problem
[10:32] <supertijano> Okay. Thanks
[10:33] <rance> I used to be a gentoo freak, but Im slowing getting away from it
[10:33] <pointwood> np
[10:33] <supertijano> How long have you been using linux?
[10:33] <pointwood> I used gentoo at some point
[10:34] <pointwood> hrm...not sure how long actually
[10:34] <pointwood> a year or so I would guess
[10:34] <supertijano> Only? :O
[10:34] <supertijano> Haha
[10:34] <pointwood> if you count from when I switched to using linux as my primary desktop
[10:34] <rance> ive used one linux distro or another for several years, but it was kubuntu that finally convinced me to stop dual booting my main box
[10:35] <slow-motion> re
[10:35] <supertijano> I bought red hat 10 from ebay, and it wasn't the greatest thing in the world, so I didn't use it too much in the beginning. Now I'm starting to get into it
[10:35] <pointwood> I have dual-boot, but I more or less never boot into windows
[10:37] <Psi-Jack> AHA!
[10:37] <supertijano> I have to for photoshop rarely. But I've gotten lazy on that too
[10:38] <Psi-Jack> On the installation's own /var/log, messages had errors about installing the linux-386 kernel. linux-restricted-modules has an MD5Sum mismatch, ON THE CD. How the heck..
[10:38] <supertijano> I've bought like 3 books about linux, and the command shell and all that nice stuff, I just haven't read any of them yet.
[10:38] <pointwood> hehe
[10:38] <pointwood> I'm a mere user
[10:39] <rance> believe it or not the first linux distro I ever liked was slackware 10
[10:39] <pointwood> which also means that in many ways, I'm still a n00b :)
[10:39] <supertijano> Well, I wanted to learn about it, you know, but now I just use the internet for refrences
[10:39] <supertijano> Ouch. I tried slackware before
[10:39] <pointwood> same here
[10:39] <rance> everything Id tried before that was way to kludgy
[10:39] <pointwood> rance: nice
[10:39] <supertijano> Well, you know, good for you. You're brave
[10:40] <pointwood> I bet slackware is great if you know linux pretty well
[10:40] <supertijano> Yeah, I heard you learn a lot faster with it.
[10:40] <Psi-Jack> No, it's not really.
[10:40] <pointwood> same goes for gentoo :)
[10:40] <Psi-Jack> Slackware still to this day, refuses to come with PAM. Which I think is quite essential.
[10:41] <supertijano> I have to look up PAM Haha
[10:41] <Psi-Jack> Pluggable Authentication Module
[10:41] <supertijano> I see.
[10:41] <pointwood> what is the alternative?
[10:41] <Psi-Jack> You're using it right now.
[10:42] <supertijano> Is that why my internet didn't work with it?
[10:42] <Psi-Jack> pointwood: Strictly using shadow passwords.
[10:42] <pointwood> k
[10:42] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Nope.
[10:42] <rance> once I did the compile from source route, and I know how to do it, im comfortable understanding why my pc is doing what its doing, and how to change it
[10:42] <supertijano> I thought slackware was suppose to be safer
[10:42] <pointwood> Psi-Jack: shadow passwords aren't secure enough?
[10:43] <Psi-Jack> pointwood: Hell no.
[10:43] <rance> so I dont need the "source" anymore, I know how to play with the packages, and if I really dont like one, I make it myself
[10:43] <pointwood> okay
[10:43] <pointwood> I must say I haven't really looked into that at all
[10:43] <Psi-Jack> Using /just/ shadow passwords requires you to have anything that needs authentication, to have root access, even temporarily.
[10:43] <wasp_ems> what is the media player calles..mx something
[10:43] <wasp_ems> called
[10:43] <wasp_ems> xmms
[10:44] <wasp_ems> ?
[10:44] <pointwood> wasp_ems: yes
[10:44] <wasp_ems> thanx
[10:44] <rance> slackware is more like the original debian (on which kubuntu is based) older software is "better" becuase its more stable
[10:44] <supertijano> Makes sense
[10:44] <Psi-Jack> rance: You have an odd sense of stability. :p
[10:45] <supertijano> Gentoo is older too, right?
[10:45] <rance> thats true to an exent, but when you cant buy old network cards anymore, some of your "old stable" must give way to "new tricky"
[10:45] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: No
[10:45] <supertijano> Really? I always get Gentoo and Debian mixed up. :/
[10:45] <jpatrick> how can one do that?
[10:45] <Psi-Jack> Debian is the one that's got really old software in "stable" release.
[10:45] <nat> which image is the best to install between linux-image-2.6.15-14-k7 or linux-image-2.6.15-15-k7 ?
[10:46] <rance> gentoo is a compile from source distro, infact its more like freebsd than it is linux in its structure
[10:46] <Psi-Jack> nat: Later revisions are usually better.
[10:46] <supertijano> I think it has to do with the fact that I know next to nothing about gentoo
[10:46] <coolio10> how do i hide gnome apps from the kde menu?
[10:46] <jpatrick> hello Nirvana
[10:46] <Nirvana> hiya Patrick LO
[10:46] <coolio10> or remove gnome completely from kbuuntu
[10:46] <Nirvana> :P^^
[10:47] <pointwood> rance is right, Gentoo is the BSD version of Linux
[10:47] <supertijano> Alright.
[10:47] <jpatrick> Nirvana: seen the topic? :)
[10:47] <coolio10> can someone show me theyre sources.list in pastebin
[10:47] <Nirvana> coolio10: I think there was a thread in the ubuntu forums about completely removing ubuntu-desktop.. lemme search
[10:47] <Nirvana> ooooohhhh, you made it!
[10:48] <Nirvana> and I think I've seen tonio on this channel before too..lol
[10:48] <jpatrick> Nirvana: he just left
[10:49] <Nirvana> jpatrick: lol, I meant another day though
[10:49] <coolio10> i accidentally installed gnome package and it came with synaptic and stuff so i deleted it and synaptic and other stuff still stayed
[10:49] <Nirvana> soooo, how about Canada (aka my country and the greatest country ever) ripping Italy 16-0... :D
[10:50] <jpatrick> at what?
[10:50] <Nirvana> girls hockey
[10:50] <supertijano> Ouch. Haha. Good for you
[10:51] <Nirvana> coolio10: to completely remove ubuntu-desktop (including all of it's components): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96046
[10:51] <quinn> well come on now, italy can't be expected to compete with canada at hockey
[10:51] <quinn> much of italy doesn't even have a proper winter :)
[10:51] <Nirvana> I've never even seen a hockey game go that high.. ever
[10:51] <pointwood> girls hockey?
[10:51] <Nirvana> yes
[10:51] <quinn> whereas canada doesn't have a proper summer
[10:51] <pointwood> didn't know that existed :)
[10:51] <Nirvana> womens hockey in the olympics has been around for as long as I've been alive (that's not saying much though)
[10:51] <supertijano> I didn't know Italy had a hockey team. Hahaha
[10:52] <Nirvana> lol
[10:52] <quinn> actually the NHL allows women to play
[10:52] <supertijano> I know, but Italy? Man. Haha
[10:52] <pointwood> but then again, I'm not much into the winter olympics
[10:52] <pointwood> we suck at winter sports :)
[10:52] <Nirvana> BTW.. they also beat Russia (which is just as North as Canada btw) 12-0
[10:52] <supertijano> Holy shit. Haha
[10:52] <quinn> 12 to nothing?
[10:52] <Nirvana> yep
[10:52] <quinn> jesus christ
[10:53] <quinn> when are they playing the US?
[10:53] <Nirvana> I think (didn't watch that game), but I know they got 12 goals
[10:53] <Nirvana> quinn: no idea
[10:53] <quinn> 12 is insane
[10:53] <thompa> UFO: turns out my ipod was not working becuase it needed a reset
[10:53] <supertijano> I don't think they should even play the US
[10:53] <pointwood> many, many years ago, you guys beat us 46-9 or something
[10:53] <Nirvana> quinn: expect around 7-0 though :p
[10:53] <quinn> 3-0 nothing is a killing
[10:53] <supertijano> Especially Russia
[10:53] <coolio10> nirvana: it isnt working
[10:54] <Nirvana> coolio10: what error do you receive?
[10:54] <coolio10> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:54] <coolio10> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:54] <Nirvana> close adept
[10:54] <coolio10> k
[10:54] <thompa> UFO: now it just pops up on desktop, stupid me, spent hours trying to configure it
[10:55] <coolio10> nirvana i deleted the top line of sources.list which asks you to insert kubuntu dvd on certain packages so will it effect the packages or is it a security feature?
[10:56] <coolio10> if i shouldnt of please post the top of your sources.list or something
[10:56] <Foodcoman> Afternoon'
[10:56] <Nirvana> coolio10: no it will not affect packages.. all packages on the CD are available in repo's anyways
[10:56] <jpatrick> Nirvana: I'll see you around, maybe at the forums / Kubuntu meeting, night everyone
[10:56] <coolio10> ok
[10:56] <Nirvana> bye bye jpatrick!
[10:56] <Nirvana> meeting next thurs btw :P
[10:56] <jpatrick> bye now
[10:56] <jpatrick> I know :P
[10:57] <supertijano> What happened to ubijtsa?
[10:57] <Foodcoman> Anyone a Grub god?  Got a SCSI RAID BIOS question
[10:58] <Nirvana> Foodcoman: I didn't know Grub was a religion
[10:58] <Nirvana> but I know man grub + google very well
[10:58] <Foodcoman> hahaha, true
[10:58] <rance> If I say Im a Grub God, does that mean if you guys give me money its tax deductible in the USA
[10:59] <Nirvana> no, in fact, you owe me 15%
[10:59] <Nirvana> brb
[10:59] <rance> Food, ask anyway
[10:59] <B1zz> heheh
[10:59] <Foodcoman> Been googling....Just a tough one.  I will find the right one sooner or later.
[10:59] <supertijano> Haha What about that new Freedom law, or something?
[11:00] <Foodcoman> Old server Compaq Proliant DL380 with SCSI HARDWARE RAID 6 drives
[11:00] <rance> ok
[11:00] <Foodcoman> 733 mhz.
[11:00] <ubijtsa> supertijano: I am here
[11:00] <wasp_ems> question:i put an audio cd to play..kscd opens the tracks are seeming to play but there is no sound..any help?
[11:00] <Foodcoman> I have seen 2 situations depending on if I choose raid 0 or other.
[11:00] <supertijano> You'be been so quiet!
[11:01] <Foodcoman> 1) idenifies as EXT 2 not 3 or Reiser.  Or cant find /dev/ida/c010P1
[11:01] <supertijano> Ubijtsa, does that mean what I think it means?
[11:01] <ubijtsa> supertijano: with a 13 month old kid, and another on the way - sitting at the computer all the time is not an option
[11:01] <ubijtsa> supertijano: what do you think it means?
[11:01] <supertijano> Sorry. Just asking.
[11:01] <Foodcoman> That is after initial install and reboot.
[11:01] <supertijano> Killer?
[11:02] <ubijtsa> supertijano: da, well - assassin :)
[11:02] <supertijano> Yeah. Close enough.
[11:02] <supertijano> Where are you from?
[11:02] <ubijtsa> .se originally
[11:02] <pointwood> .dk here :)
[11:02] <supertijano> Oh
[11:02] <ubijtsa> now living in .uk since -96
[11:02] <supertijano> Yeah. I know how it is
[11:03] <ubijtsa> I do try and answer questions when I can...
[11:03] <supertijano> Yeah. Thanks
[11:03] <ubijtsa> the very least I can give back to ubuntu :)
[11:04] <supertijano> I hope to do the same one day. Haha
[11:04] <supertijano> You work for them?
[11:04] <supertijano> Or you just wish?
[11:04] <mornfall> hrm
[11:04] <ubijtsa> as it is, I am paid to test AV products instead
[11:05] <ubijtsa> I wish I worked for Canonical
[11:05] <mornfall> adept users? would you prefer "preview changes" to be disabled when there are no changes?
[11:05] <supertijano> Who do you work for?
[11:05] <mornfall> (does that make sense at all?)
[11:05] <pointwood> ubijtsa: indeed, that would be cool
[11:05] <ubijtsa> ehrm... McAfee
[11:05] <supertijano> Hmm. Cool cool
[11:05] <supertijano> mornfall: does it really make a difference?
[11:06] <mornfall> supertijano: only in user perception, i'd say
[11:06] <rance> Food, you said there were two scenarios, where is the second
[11:06] <Red_Herring> why dont we have any ops?
[11:06] <ubijtsa> Red_Herring: !kops will soon get them here
[11:06] <Red_Herring> heh
[11:06] <Foodcoman> rance: varied depeding on if I configured Bios for RAID1 or RAID5
[11:06] <supertijano> mornfall: I'd say no
[11:06] <Red_Herring> yesterday i accidentally changed the topic for this place
[11:07] <Foodcoman> RAID0
[11:07] <Red_Herring> :-P
[11:07] <Foodcoman> Sorry not raid 1
[11:07] <ubijtsa> Red_Herring: they know :)
[11:07] <Red_Herring> it was an accident1
[11:07] <Riddell> Red_Herring: we do have ops
[11:07] <ubijtsa> they know that too
[11:07] <Riddell> hmm, how can you accidently change the topic?
[11:07] <Red_Herring> well
[11:07] <Riddell> !kops
[11:07] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fooishbar, haggai, amu, uniq, Mez, seth_k, nikkia, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, or robotgeek
[11:07] <Red_Herring> laptop, and it was dark
[11:07] <Riddell> see, lots of them
[11:07] <robotgeek> yay
[11:07] <Red_Herring> and i accidentally hit shift tab
[11:07] <Red_Herring> and enter
[11:07] <Foodcoman> rance: I am setting up for Raid0 right now no fault T.
[11:08] <Red_Herring> and it changed the title
[11:08] <robotgeek> Riddell: :)
[11:08] <Riddell> robotgeek: fair enough, you're forgiven :)
[11:08] <Riddell> err, Red_Herring rather
[11:08] <gilrim> anyone able of helping me with fuse?
[11:08] <robotgeek> heh
[11:08] <robotgeek> Riddell: i just upgraded to kde 3.5.1 on breezy, very nice :)
[11:09] <rance> well, last time I checked, if linux understands you scsi card, then you have all the options on the "virtual disks" that your scsi card shows, even booting, but you migh have a card with "non-standard" options, if you are using any of those options, grub might give you trouble
[11:09] <Riddell> Foodcoman: :)
[11:10] <robotgeek> ksystraycmd is just awesome. i like all my apps docked :)
[11:10] <thompa> where is the import mail folder function for kmail?
[11:10] <supertijano> Well, bye everybody. I'm going to sleep finally.
[11:10] <ubijtsa> updating clamav - /etc/init.d/clamav-freshclam: line 151: log_daemon_msg: command not found
[11:10] <Foodcoman> rance: Install goes flawless right until reboot.
[11:11] <ubijtsa> anyone know what provides "log_daemon_msg" ?
[11:11] <Foodcoman> Drops to s troubleshooting shell.  Seems to start decompressing kernel.
[11:12] <wasp_ems> for some reason..when i put an audio cd in my external cd drive, it has no sound
[11:12] <wasp_ems> can something be done?
[11:12] <Red_Herring> is it plugged in? :-P
[11:12] <wasp_ems> it plays but no sound comes out
[11:12] <wasp_ems> it is a usb
[11:13] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: sounds like a line out of "The IT Crowd"
[11:13] <thompa> wasp_ems: is your mixer volume up
[11:13] <wasp_ems> yes
[11:13] <Red_Herring> robotgeek, why thank you
[11:13] <wasp_ems> because from the other cd drive ita plays fine
[11:13] <thompa> !alsa
[11:13] <ubotu> I heard alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, see also !dmix
[11:13] <Red_Herring> thats always the problem with me
[11:13] <Foodcoman> rance: I assume that with Hardware raid you would not want to install Software raid.  I am going to let LVM install /dev/ida/c0d0 #1 ext #5 swap
[11:14] <wasp_ems> any suggestions?
[11:14] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: 1) Have you tried turning it off and on again 2) Is it definetly plugged in :)
[11:14] <UFO> wasp_ems: you should find the way to listen digital way the sounds... internal cd drive have a cable connected to sound card
[11:14] <wasp_ems> :S
[11:14] <hatake_kakashi> a 2 to 3 pin type connector
[11:15] <Red_Herring> robotgeek, its somehow insulting when i ask that to people
[11:15] <hatake_kakashi> err 2 to 4 pin
[11:15] <Foodcoman> rance: Creating partions and LVM partitions.
[11:15] <Red_Herring> im like" well im just making sure"
[11:15] <bimberi> [0]  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/UbuntuCommunityTalk
[11:15] <UFO> try to open the waw files manually from cd
[11:15] <Foodcoman> rance: Copy base system now.
[11:15] <wasp_ems> i did...thay seem to play but no sound comes out
[11:15] <robotgeek> bimberi: thanks for ze link
[11:15] <UFO> wasp_ems: not using any cd player...
[11:15] <Foodcoman> rance: Writing to SCSI 3 RAID 0 just fine at this point during instal.
[11:16] <hatake_kakashi> wasp_ems: is there sound apart from just playing from music? or no?
[11:16] <bimberi> robotgeek: :)
[11:16] <Foodcoman> rance: Launched install with server.
[11:16] <wasp_ems> what does that meen?
[11:16] <quinn> can anybody tell me what libmudflap is, and why it's getting pulled in with gcc? (and why gcc is not part of the base install of Kubuntu?)
[11:17] <Riddell> quinn: no space on the CD for a compiler, users don't need one
[11:17] <thompa> where is the reload button for updates in adept?
[11:18] <Foodcoman> Side point.  Installed Squid and home.  Through SSH tunneling 3128 to 3128 and proxy http through home squid machine.  Looking forward to travel and wireless now.
[11:18] <thompa> i have 12 updates but kde 3.5 is not amongst them
[11:18] <quinn> Riddell: and what's libmudflap?
[11:18] <Red_Herring> !kde3.5
[11:18] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:19] <Riddell> quinn: no idea, apt-cache will probably tell you
[11:19] <hatake_kakashi> !info libmudflap
[11:19] <__mikem> hey
[11:19] <quinn> Riddell: man aptitude, man
[11:19] <hatake_kakashi> hi __mikem
[11:19] <thompa> thanks, i just thought that adept had a refresh, reload option
[11:20] <quinn>  GCC mudflap shared support libraries
[11:20] <quinn> how informative :-D
[11:20] <bimberi> !kde3.5.1 is <reply> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:20] <ubotu> okay, bimberi
[11:21] <Red_Herring> what? its dist-upgrade now?
[11:21] <Foodcoman> rance: 70% copying to raid drives perfectly so far.  Reboot after and Grub is where I quickly become lost.
[11:21] <thompa> what has changeg?
[11:21] <mornfall> thompa: the recycle icon in toolbar
[11:21] <mornfall> thompa: first from left
[11:21] <quinn> Red_Herring: dist-upgrade is a more careful version of the regular upgrade
[11:21] <Red_Herring> ok
[11:21] <mornfall> quinn: err, exactly the reverse
[11:22] <quinn> Red_Herring: it just makes sure not to break anything by installing new updates
[11:22] <mornfall> quinn: dist-upgrade is a more adventurous variant
[11:22] <mornfall> bah
[11:22] <quinn> mornfall: are you sure?
[11:22] <__mikem> !kde3.5.1
[11:22] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:22] <Red_Herring> quinn, gotcha
[11:22] <__mikem> it works
[11:22] <mornfall> quinn: considering the amount of time i spend in apt code, i'd say so
[11:22] <Foodcoman> rance: Copying remaining packages
[11:22] <thompa> has that changed?
[11:22] <quinn> mornfall: touche
[11:23] <mornfall> quinn: anyhow, dist-upgrade will install or remove packages... upgrade won't
[11:23] <thompa> i could swear earlier i just did apt-get update, then dist-upgrade
[11:23] <thompa> and got 3.5
[11:23] <mornfall> quinn: upgrade will just try to upgrade everything that does not need anything new or removals of something already installed
[11:23] <Foodcoman> rance: Time zone and user creation done, configuring apt and test repos now.
[11:23] <quinn> mornfall: so in fact I should say it's a more intelligent upgrade
[11:23] <__mikem> hey, if I want to upgrade kde to 3.5.1 and I have both kde and gnome installed what do I do?
[11:23] <mornfall> quinn: no, it's just less safe
[11:24] <rance> Foodcoman: just a thought, is your scsi driver loades as a module, or is it compiled in the kernel? You cant boot off a scsi drive if scsi in not IN the kernel or it wont recognize the drives
[11:24] <mornfall> quinn: dist-upgrade is much more likely to break your system :)
[11:24] <Foodcoman> Installing grup (HD0)
[11:24] <quinn> oh
[11:24] <thompa> dist-upgrade wont break things in kubuntu
[11:24] <quinn> I wish I didn't like psi and amaroK and other things with annoying qt dependancies
[11:24] <Foodcoman> rance: Odd that the install wood work flawless but the main install would not.  Hrmmm.
[11:24] <Red_Herring> !upgrade
[11:24] <thompa> unless youve added some extra repos
[11:24] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:25] <__mikem> hey, if I want to upgrade kde to 3.5.1 and I have both kde and gnome installed what do I do?
[11:25] <mornfall> quinn: (eg, you almost never want to dist-upgrade stable machines (servers)... just upgrade to security fixes... and dist-upgrade to a new stable release :)
[11:25] <Foodcoman> I am at the reboot phase now.
[11:25] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: you can upgrade to 3.5.1, it shouldn't affect your gnome part
[11:25] <mornfall> thompa: your faith in kubuntu is amusing :-)
[11:25] <Foodcoman> rance: Rebooting
[11:25] <rance> well, I hope that works
[11:25] <__mikem> ook
[11:25] <Red_Herring> any idea if dapper will ship w/ xgl?
[11:25] <Red_Herring> or if it will even have xgl available?
[11:25] <quinn> mornfall:  I find faith in any computer system disturbing :)
[11:25] <rance> mornfall said "amusing" at first glance, i thought it was AMAZING
[11:26] <Foodcoman> rance: Using default 5.10 Breezy Final install CD.....
[11:26] <Foodcoman> rance: Compaq Smart array init
[11:26] <Foodcoman> rance: Grup loads
[11:26] <mornfall> now i have found a crasher in adept, but it looks fairly reliably reproducible so no big deal... *bbiab*
[11:26] <Foodcoman> rance root(hd0,0
[11:26] <__mikem> I can't wait to see what mepis looks like as an ubuntu dirivitave
[11:27] <Foodcoman> rance: Filesystem is ident as ext2fs (I installed as EXT3)
[11:28] <thompa> !kde3.5
[11:28] <ubotu> (you might want !kde3.5.1) To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:28] <Red_Herring> are they gonna start charging for mepis?
[11:28] <Foodcoman> rance: Kernel starts and uncompressing begins.  Then wap to a shell
[11:28] <__mikem> probably not
[11:28] <dell500> is the new kde is stable?
[11:28] <rance> on first install, thats normal
[11:28] <hatake_kakashi> dell500: you wish
[11:29] <thompa> can someone tell me if the upgrade to 3.5 has changed?
[11:29] <dell500> thought so
[11:29] <thompa> maybe I was running dapper before on the other box
[11:29] <__mikem> hatake_kakashi does that mean no?
[11:29] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: not all things are expected to work well
[11:29] <dell500> __mikem, i think so
[11:30] <david> hello, If I install the kubuntu dapper beta, will it be possible to update to dapper 'stable' when it is released?
[11:31] <__mikem> I never use beta software
[11:31] <Red_Herring> __mikem, ever use google products?
[11:31] <visik7> david: yes
[11:31] <david> __mikem: I don't need it for real use, just to play with :)
[11:31] <Red_Herring> gmail, google news, video?
[11:31] <Red_Herring> they are beta
[11:31] <thompa> !kde3.5.1
[11:31] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:31] <david> visik7: ok thanks visik7
[11:31] <__mikem> Red_Herring no
[11:31] <Foodcoman> rance: root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root ro quiet splash
[11:32] <__mikem> why
[11:32] <thompa> so I want 3.5.1 I guess
[11:33] <Foodcoman> rance: Thanks for all the help, I am going to have to google till I finde this one.  Thanks again.
[11:33] <__mikem> !mepis
[11:33] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[11:34] <__mikem> it used to have a definition for that
[11:34] <UFO> if debian would be a bit more up to date it would be number one to power users... the ubuntu got too much conf for beginners
[11:35] <hatake_kakashi> UFO: ever considered about testing/unstable packages from debian? :)
[11:35] <visik7> the only thing that I don't like in config in ubuntu is networking
[11:35] <__mikem> networking ubuntu is easy
[11:35] <UFO> hatake_kakashi: yes but there was also lot of depency problems
[11:36] <visik7> __mikem: so u can tell me why /etc/init.d/networking stop doesn't kill dhclient ?
[11:36] <__mikem> Why do you need it to?
[11:36] <hatake_kakashi> UFO: that's where you are on your own, enabling universe/multiverse and from there on its mostly trial-and-error, or make-or-break parts
[11:36] <visik7> why do u want to know ?
[11:37] <__mikem> because stoping dhclient doesn't seem like something that NEEDS to be done
[11:37] <__mikem> as far as why it doesn't, its probably a permissions problem
[11:37] <visik7> from root ?
[11:37] <visik7> I need to restart networking sometimes
[11:37] <__mikem> are you running as root when you do it
[11:37] <hatake_kakashi> dhclient has to be run from super-user, unless you do sudo or suid
[11:37] <visik7> running as root
[11:38] <visik7> or sudo /etc/....
[11:38] <visik7> I need to restart hotplug-net
[11:38] <visik7> instead
[11:38] <thompa> is kde 3.5 considered stable in kubuntu?
[11:38] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:39] <UFO> thompa: it worked great for me even on 64bit
[11:40] <thompa> UFO: I cant remember adding it to my repos last time
[11:40] <dcwckd> hey guys, anyone notice that kopete (kde 3.5.1) fails to send messages alot with the MSN protocol
[11:40] <__mikem> gee I wonder why
[11:40] <UFO> thompa: do you need the instructions?
[11:41] <visik7> dcwckd: yes
[11:41] <thompa> UFO: do you know where the import kmail function is?
[11:41] <dcwckd> why
[11:41] <visik7> dcwckd: this is why  I switch back to gaim
[11:41] <thompa> no I think i was running dapper lol
[11:41] <__mikem> for one thing, kde3.5.1 is unstable still from what I hear, and we all know that microsoft does everything it can to make sure anything it produces doesn't work well with linux
[11:41] <UFO> thompa: no. sorry :(
[11:42] <thompa> UFO: thats ok, I think its an extra package
[11:43] <slow-motion> n8
[11:43] <_sam> i'll reinstalled kubunto 5.10 twice an i still can't successfully upgrade to kde 3.5?
[11:44] <_sam> keeps holding back packages
[11:44] <visik7> uh ?
[11:44] <arrinmurr> __mikem: hmm.. i haven't had any problems with kde 3.5.1
[11:44] <_vge> same
[11:44] <visik7> _sam: u need to dist-upgrade
[11:44] <_sam> can't figure out what i'm doing wrong
[11:44] <visik7> not just upgrade
[11:44] <__mikem> I "heard" that kde3.5.1 was still unstable
[11:44] <_sam> done that
[11:44] <visik7> _sam: wfm
[11:44] <arrinmurr> _sam: do you try to upgrade everything at once?
[11:45] <_sam> yeah
[11:45] <visik7> _sam: first I upgrade all ubuntu packages
[11:45] <visik7> and then add kde351 repo and upgrade to it
[11:45] <arrinmurr> yeah, that's the way to do it
[11:45] <_sam> so upgrade all the 3.4 stuff first?
[11:46] <visik7> 3.4 and all other things
[11:46] <visik7> than dist-upgrade
[11:46] <__mikem> brb
[11:47] <_sam> my my install is hosed now
[11:47] <_sam> do have to do another reinstall
[11:47] <arrinmurr> well, that's probably the easy way to do it ;)
[11:47] <wasp_ems> ok i want to run a program from windows..can anyone guide me on how to do so?
[11:48] <_sam> kubuntu is very delicate
[11:48] <visik7> apt-get install wine
[11:48] <visik7> _sam: external repo aren't offcial repo
[11:48] <_sam> can't make a samll mistake
[11:48] <visik7> and have to be used with care
[11:49] <thompa> UFO: I got it, I needed kde 3,5 and kmailcvt package to import kmail folders
[11:49] <hatake_kakashi> _sam: its literally impossible to not make a mistake.. I made sure that when I dist-upgrade from Hoary to Breezy that my upgrade will not go wrong. However I lost failsafe part of X as a result
[11:49] <wasp_ems> visik7: ok thanx..thats done..now what?
[11:49] <UFO> thompa: in what prog were you importing?
[11:50] <visik7> wasp_ems: don't remember what we are talkin' about
[11:50] <visik7> wasp_ems: ah
[11:50] <wasp_ems> visik7: wine
[11:50] <visik7> wasp_ems: wine file.exe
[11:51] <_sam> before i leave to do yeat another install can someone suggest a linux distro for running RDP only
[11:51] <JasonF> What's the best way to get opera running on ubuntu? The install from their site was less than working
[11:51] <_sam> i want to use an old laptop as a RDP clientr
[11:51] <arrinmurr> !opera
[11:51] <ubotu> from memory, opera is not in the Ubuntu repositories, but you can always download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ and then see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[11:51] <_vge> JasonF: works perfectly for me?
[11:51] <thompa> UFO: Im importing my kmail folders from another computer into kmail File: Import Messages
[11:52] <thompa> UFO: from my ipod
[11:52] <thompa> and it works great
[11:52] <UFO> thompa: oh... the ipod situation... you got it work
[11:52] <UFO> thompa: was the main reason in fstab?
[11:52] <JasonF> Everytime I try to run opera, I get this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/555081
[11:52] <thompa> yes, it was the ipod needed a reset
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> thompa: you got ipod 5th gen (iPod with video) and that works well with the latest amaroK/
[11:53] <thompa> its last years Ipod
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> bah
[11:54] <UFO> i got an card reader in my laptop and im trying to get it work... but... i could use up to 1GB mmc
[11:54] <thompa> UFO:  so there was nothing wrong with fstab, just my ipod was plugged in too long and needed a reset
[11:55] <wasp_ems> visik7: so i write in the terminal wine and the location of the .exe program?
[11:55] <visik7> yes
[11:55] <thompa> hatake_kakashi: its 4th gen I think, use it only for hard drive, and have /home back up onit and some linux distros
[11:55] <wasp_ems> visik7: i did it but it cannot find it
[11:55] <visik7> wrong path
[11:55] <UFO> thompa: the idea to my card reader came from your ipod.... becouse i could write all my passwords and some mails to the kamera but could also use the cardreader on the laptop...
[11:56] <hatake_kakashi> thompa: you cannot play videos I believe? if not then you do not have the one that I have
[11:56] <wasp_ems> visik7: i found the path from c: program files etc
[11:56] <visik7> it's obviously wrong
[11:56] <thompa> UFO: I used my digital camera  once also
[11:56] <visik7> u need to provide the path from /
[11:57] <UFO> thompa: the usb drives are working quite well on linux....
[11:57] <thompa> anything will work, the trick is if you want to boot linux off a usb device
[11:58] <UFO> thompa: kernel thing i think
[11:59] <thompa> http://www.simonf.com/usb/
[11:59] <UFO> The SuSE is looking fantastic.... its well tuned distro... an eye candy :)
[11:59] <thompa> UFO: you running it
[11:59] <UFO> thompa: yes
[11:59] <kkathman> thompa agreed...I am also
[11:59] <thompa> which version?
[12:00] <visik7> UFO: use suse and don't bother us
[12:00] <UFO> thompa: but i have the kubuntu also
[12:00] <thompa> the 5 cd thing is stupid i think
[12:00] <kkathman> visik7:  lets dont get into a flame war...many people run multiple distros
[12:01] <UFO> thompa: i got 10.0
[12:01] <coolio10> how do you use wine?
[12:01] <visik7> kkathman: nothing against running multiple distro, but with who says on distroX channel distroY is fantastic
[12:01] <tinin> !wine
[12:01] <kkathman> I dont see anywhere that you cant state an opinion :)
[12:02] <coolio10> what?
[12:02] <UFO> kkathman: :)
[12:02] <thompa> UFO: the xgl patch?
[12:03] <UFO> thompa: what do you mean?