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| mdz | seb128: do you know if anyone is interested in visualization functionality in rhythmbox? currently it seems only totem does this | 12:12 |
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| HiddenWolf | mdz: the request pops up from time to time | 12:13 |
| HiddenWolf | mdz: rhythmbox upstream wouldn't mind, as a plugin | 12:13 |
| HiddenWolf | mdz: and they are investigating hijacking gedit's plugin system now that 0.9.3 is out. | 12:14 |
| mdz | only as a plugin? | 12:14 |
| seb128 | mdz: upstream has some plugin code to the CVS now, maybe they could do a plugin for it right | 12:15 |
| HiddenWolf | mdz: doctau and the others feel that RB is a music player first and foremost, and that there is too much to improve in the core yet to think about branching out. | 12:15 |
| seb128 | do you think that visualisation is something useful for a music player? | 12:15 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128: it'd make a hell of a screensaver in fullscreen mode with visualisations. :) | 12:15 |
| mdz | seb128: yes, I like it | 12:15 |
| mdz | it certainly makes more sense in rhythmbox than in totem | 12:16 |
| seb128 | totem has already a video area that's easy to do | 12:16 |
| mdz | but totem isn't very nice as a music player | 12:16 |
| seb128 | but I think a rb plugin for that would be nice | 12:16 |
| seb128 | should be quite easy to do with gst | 12:17 |
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| dholbach | good night guys | 12:38 |
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| mdz | night dholbach | 12:44 |
| dholbach | have a nice rest of the day, mdz :) | 12:45 |
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| nemonoid | if I spot a problem with a failed build on the build farm, is there any way, or even a point of reporting a possible fix? | 12:56 |
| Burgwork | nemonoid, the uploader gets notified by email | 12:57 |
| Burgwork | nemonoid, do you have a fix for the build failure? | 12:57 |
| nemonoid | yeah...just wanted to know if there was a way of notifying the uploader | 12:58 |
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| Burgwork | nemonoid, email the maintainer if you have a fix, otherwise leave them alone as I am certain they are all over it | 01:07 |
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| LadyNikon | hey was anyone able to check out the bug for vpnc? | 01:31 |
| LadyNikon | sorry had to find the bug | 01:36 |
| LadyNikon | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vpnc/+bug/29727 | 01:36 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29727 in vpnc "vpnc: missing script vpnc-connect" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 01:36 |
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| sivang | night all | 01:50 |
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| Mez | mdz: ping | 01:54 |
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| hyperactivecrond | ubuntu express != gui installer, yes? | 02:57 |
| Burgwork | hyperactivecrond, ubuntu express is now espresso | 02:58 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok | 02:58 |
| Burgwork | hyperactivecrond, and espresso allows installs from the livecd | 02:59 |
| hyperactivecrond | espresso != gui installer | 02:59 |
| hyperactivecrond | then | 02:59 |
| Burgwork | it runs completely within GNOME on the live cd, so it is a gui installer | 02:59 |
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| hyperactivecrond | ah. i thought they were 2 seperate things | 03:01 |
| hyperactivecrond | are we doing a gui installer for the install cd/ | 03:02 |
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| jblack | Hi. My computer is self destructing. | 03:04 |
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| hyperactivecrond | whoops wrong channel for sarcasm... apologies jblack | 03:04 |
| jblack | I tried changing my theme. The theme program crashed. Now it crashes everytime it starts. It also seems that many gnome apps are crashing. Even firefox crashes now | 03:04 |
| hyperactivecrond | jblack: is this a development ? ? | 03:05 |
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| jblack | hyperactivecrond: It is for me. | 03:05 |
| hyperactivecrond | file a bug? | 03:05 |
| jblack | Did you catch "even firefox crashes" ? | 03:06 |
| jblack | I can't look up bugs or file a bug, or search google for other people solved it. #ubuntu isn't providing any help. | 03:06 |
| hyperactivecrond | install kde? lol | 03:06 |
| hyperactivecrond | try gnome failsafe login? | 03:08 |
| jblack | Yeah. I can try that. brb | 03:10 |
| jblack | No. everything crashes in failsafe gnome too. | 03:12 |
| jblack | I think whats happened is that I've selected a theme that crashes gnome. I think I can get out of it if I can change the theme by hand | 03:12 |
| hyperactivecrond | that works :) | 03:13 |
| jblack | I don't know how. Thats why I'm asking for help. | 03:13 |
| jblack | at least gnome-terminal runs | 03:13 |
| hyperactivecrond | hmm... | 03:13 |
| infinity | I assume the theme is broken, yes. | 03:14 |
| hyperactivecrond | yes | 03:14 |
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| infinity | jblack: Try ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/%gconf.xml | 03:19 |
| infinity | jblack: The first entry in there is the theme on my mahcine... | 03:19 |
| infinity | <entry name="theme" mtime="1129293671" type="string"> | 03:19 |
| infinity | <stringvalue>Human</stringvalue> | 03:19 |
| infinity | </entry> | 03:19 |
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| jblack | infinity: that took care of it, though I had to change about a dozen places in a half dozen files. | 03:37 |
| jblack | Thanks! | 03:37 |
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| whiprush | jblack: got your mail, I've been busy, but I'll get to it. :D | 03:38 |
| jblack | whiprush: Great. email about what? | 03:39 |
| whiprush | the bzr thing for the fridge. | 03:40 |
| jblack | Ahh. You're Jorge? | 03:40 |
| whiprush | yep | 03:40 |
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| netdur | is there any document about customization INSTALL cd? | 03:43 |
| jblack | Ok. You guys should know this. There's a problem in dapper right now. If a user select the SphereCrystal theme, then theme manager will crash and refuse to start. Also, most other complicated applications will crash too. | 03:51 |
| jblack | The proper solution is to reboot the computer, log into the console, grep through all SphereCrystal references, and replace them with something else -- say Human. | 03:51 |
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| fabbione | morning | 05:22 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:28 |
| ajmitch_ | morning pitti :) | 07:29 |
| zakame | hi pitti | 07:29 |
| zakame | and ajmitch_ :) | 07:29 |
| pitti | hi ajmitch_ | 07:30 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:53 |
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| lemsto | hi there!! | 09:00 |
| lemsto | i'd like to know if its possible ti take only few package from dapper and use them in breezy (such as firefox 1.5) | 09:01 |
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| dholbach | lemsto: encourage to use just what was compiled for breezy, such as stuff in breezy-{updates,security,backports} | 09:02 |
| dholbach | lemsto: and that's more of a #ubuntu question | 09:02 |
| dholbach | hello mvo | 09:02 |
| lemsto | dholbach, ok, thank u | 09:02 |
| mvo | hello dholbach | 09:02 |
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| dholbach | lemsto: no worries | 09:03 |
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| sivang | good morning all! | 09:18 |
| === sivang is happy after a very good glade design sessions last night. | ||
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| === pitti hugs sivang | ||
| pitti | sjoerd: I'm currently preparing a hal diff for you with changes that are interesting for Debian; do you have some minutes to talk about it today? | 09:43 |
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| pitti | mjg59: is your add-keyboard-addons hal patch already upstream? | 09:46 |
| sjoerd | pitti: yeah, probably tonight | 09:51 |
| sjoerd | btw davdid said he would probably release 0.5.7 today | 09:52 |
| pitti | sjoerd: uh, that would be nice | 09:52 |
| pitti | although I'm not sure whether we can upgrade to it | 09:52 |
| pitti | sjoerd: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/patches/hal-ubuntu-debian.diff | 09:53 |
| pitti | sjoerd: some patches speak for themselves, but some require some explanation | 09:53 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I will be online until at least 1700 CET (1600 UCT) | 09:54 |
| pitti | UTC, even | 09:54 |
| sjoerd | hrm, dunno if i will be back then | 09:54 |
| dholbach | mdz, Kamion: the new ekiga (part of GNOME release) will require a new pwlib and opal - luckily this time there is no API breakage this time. Do you want me to send you a UVF exception report or something? | 09:56 |
| sjoerd | probably have some time later in the morning too... i'll ping you :) | 09:56 |
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| dholbach | mdz, Kamion: upstream (which is debian-voip team as well) has packages ready, which i will just have to modify for debian/changelog (since they're stuck in debian NEW) | 09:57 |
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| slomo_ | Kinnison: hi... is stuff on dep-wait cleaned automatically now? | 10:15 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: Yup | 10:38 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: had time for the wacom-tools update yet? :) | 10:38 |
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| mjg59 | Treenaks: Nope - yesterday didn't entirely work out as planned | 10:39 |
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| Treenaks | mjg59: I saw heaps of Xgl-related uploads ;) | 10:42 |
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| lemsto | mondus44 | 10:45 |
| lemsto | oops | 10:46 |
| lemsto | sorry | 10:46 |
| lemsto | :) | 10:46 |
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| lemsto | nop, wrong channel | 10:46 |
| lemsto | :p | 10:46 |
| viviersf | hmmm | 10:47 |
| viviersf | weird | 10:47 |
| viviersf | new dapper chroot's locales doesnt want to regenerate :/ | 10:48 |
| Mithrandir | not even if you do a locale-gen $localename? | 10:49 |
| pitti | viviersf: what do you mean? does it say 'up-to-date'? | 10:49 |
| viviersf | i made a new chroot for dapper | 10:49 |
| viviersf | so i can start a new impi build | 10:49 |
| viviersf | dpkg-reconfigure locales just sais | 10:49 |
| viviersf | setting locale failed and a some other things | 10:50 |
| viviersf | http://pastebin.com/554049 | 10:51 |
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| Mithrandir | viviersf: do locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 | 11:00 |
| viviersf | kewl thx | 11:01 |
| viviersf | but if i want all the locales to get generated or is that a bad idea ? | 11:01 |
| seb128 | Riddell: "juk" still use gst0.8? | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | viviersf: install language packs, then. | 11:02 |
| viviersf | kk | 11:02 |
| Riddell | seb128: oh yes, I'll get rid of that | 11:02 |
| === Riddell does so | ||
| seb128 | thank you | 11:04 |
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| pitti | heeey Keybuk, welcome back | 11:04 |
| viviersf | thx Mithrandir :) | 11:05 |
| Keybuk | not "back", just being more cheeky <g> | 11:05 |
| Keybuk | pitti: did you get any further with your bug? | 11:06 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I added the udev stanza, but I didn't reboot yet | 11:07 |
| pitti | Keybuk: will do soon, but I wanted to finish some stuff first | 11:07 |
| pitti | Keybuk: this morning I was lucky and both eth cards were alright | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | ok, thanks | 11:08 |
| Keybuk | I have a hunch it's linux-wlan-ng being silly | 11:08 |
| ogra | seb128, where or what is python-gst0.10 ? it breaks the CD | 11:08 |
| pitti | Keybuk: but I don't use l-w-n on my desktop, I only have proper eth cards | 11:08 |
| Keybuk | pitti: ok, maybe it's not then :p | 11:08 |
| seb128 | ogra: universe | 11:09 |
| ogra | ah, k ... | 11:09 |
| seb128 | ogra: I'm not doing promotions, talk to Kamion :) | 11:10 |
| ogra | yup | 11:10 |
| Kinnison | slomo_: not currently | 11:10 |
| ogra | Kamion, ?? ^^^ can you promote python-gst0.10 ? | 11:10 |
| ogra | serpentine depends on it | 11:10 |
| ogra | seb128, i guess its the successor of 0.80 so no main inclusion report needed, right ? | 11:11 |
| seb128 | correct | 11:11 |
| ogra | :) | 11:11 |
| stub | Launchpad is going down in 10 minutes for the weekly code update. Estimated downtime is about 10 mins. wikis will be in readonly mode. | 11:12 |
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| Kamion | dholbach: those are fine | 11:15 |
| Kamion | ogra: I can't do promotions at the moment because I have no idea how to do override changes in Soyuz, sorry | 11:15 |
| Kamion | Kinnison: could you change python-gst0.10's override to main, or is that still an elmo thing? | 11:16 |
| stub | Update: Launchpad is going down in 15 minutes for the weekly code update. Estimated downtime is about 10 mins. wikis will be in readonly mode. | 11:16 |
| dholbach | Kamion: thanks | 11:16 |
| === ogra giggles while watching gnome-control-center build .... what the hell are eggaccelerators silly names ... | ||
| Kinnison | Kamion: elmo | 11:17 |
| Kinnison | Kamion: if he'd tell you how, that'd be grand | 11:17 |
| Treenaks | ogra: gnome egg* is unstable/not-yet-finished stuff | 11:17 |
| ogra | speed up your brekfast with our new eggaccelerators !!! | 11:17 |
| Kinnison | Kamion: I believe it's the override-change.py but I have no idea if he's fixed it all up yet | 11:18 |
| Keybuk | ogra: eggs that give you the runs? | 11:23 |
| ogra | hehe | 11:23 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kinnison] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | LP Upgrade was today, please report bugs if you see 'em | Launchpad maintenance in progress, uploads queued | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Keybuk] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | Launchpad maintenance in progress, uploads queued | ||
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| ogra | seb128, the patch from gnome bug #94049 works fine on all arches, no regression for normal usage, i'll do more testing with multihead people to confirm it works there as well | 11:37 |
| seb128 | cool | 11:37 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kinnison] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | LP upgrade was today, please report new bugs if you see 'em | ||
| Kinnison | expect queued uploads to be processed in 3 minutes time | 11:42 |
| === Kamion attempts to read gtk+2.0 source and discovers yet another 'debian/rules <givemethedamnsource>' argument to add to his list | ||
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~/src/packages/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0-2.8.10>$ debian/rules patched-source | 11:44 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~/src/packages/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0-2.8.10>$ debian/rules patch | 11:44 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~/src/packages/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0-2.8.10>$ debian/rules apply-patches | 11:44 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~/src/packages/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0-2.8.10>$ debian/rules unpack | 11:44 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~/src/packages/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0-2.8.10>$ debian/rules setup | 11:44 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~/src/packages/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0-2.8.10>$ debian/rules extract | 11:44 |
| Kamion | (the last after reading debian/rules) | 11:44 |
| Kamion | please provide aliases for some of the more common ones found in other packages so my chances increase | 11:44 |
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| === Keybuk *hugs* his trusty zsh tab-expansion rule | ||
| Keybuk | debian/rules <tab> .... oh-bugger-its-not-obvious | 11:47 |
| Kamion | debian/rules should not be as hard as tla :P | 11:48 |
| Treenaks | make needs a way to list targets ;) | 11:48 |
| Kamion | (the latter of which certainly requires completion to use sanely) | 11:48 |
| ogra | debian/rules gamble ? | 11:48 |
| StevenK | oh-bugger-its-not-obvious is a great target for debian/rules! | 11:48 |
| Treenaks | ogra: debian/rules random | 11:48 |
| ogra | Treenaks, yes, that would be called by gamble ;) | 11:49 |
| === StevenK notes his zsh doesn't tab complete debian/rules. | ||
| ogra | before debian/rules win or debian/rules loose :) | 11:49 |
| Keybuk | StevenK: | 11:51 |
| Keybuk | _debian_rules() { words=(make -f debian/r | 11:51 |
| Keybuk | _debian_rules() { words=(make -f debian/rules) _make } | 11:51 |
| Keybuk | compdef _debian_rules debian/rules | 11:51 |
| Keybuk | -- | 11:51 |
| Keybuk | (obviously without the first incomplete line) | 11:51 |
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| pitti | mjg59: do we have any excuse to upgrade to hal 0.5.7? | 11:59 |
| === mvo is away for lunch | ||
| seb128 | pitti: you didn't ask me, but like it has the .capacity for CDs and ncb? :) | 12:01 |
| seb128 | pitti: you may be interested by http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2006-February/msg00007.html | 12:02 |
| pitti | seb128: we'll also need the new ncb patch for that | 12:02 |
| pitti | seb128: right, that could be interesting, will take a look at it | 12:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: there is some chance than we ship with a GNOME that requires the new hal ... | 12:02 |
| pitti | seb128: the LUKS stuff still needs serious cleanup | 12:02 |
| seb128 | for stuff like that patch | 12:02 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: Several bugfixes | 12:05 |
| sivang | Keybuk: does it expand to the make targets in rules? | 12:08 |
| Keybuk | sivang: yes | 12:11 |
| Keybuk | at least, it should | 12:11 |
| Keybuk | (and seems to) | 12:11 |
| Keybuk | pitti: could you attach your /etc/iftab to bug 31188 please | 12:13 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 31188 in udev "device named eth0_clashed during swapping" [Major,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31188 | 12:13 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I already did? | 12:16 |
| sebest_ | sjoerd: ping | 12:16 |
| Keybuk | ah, it's in a comment, sorry | 12:16 |
| Keybuk | pitti: can you try something for me: run /lib/udev/iftab_helper eth1 00:06:4f:06:80:7c 1 | 12:17 |
| pitti | $ /lib/udev/iftab_helper eth1 00:06:4f:06:80:7c 1 | 12:17 |
| pitti | eth1_clashed | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | :o | 12:17 |
| ogra | heh | 12:17 |
| pitti | is that good or bad? | 12:18 |
| ogra | sounds not good | 12:18 |
| Keybuk | I'm having a moment here | 12:18 |
| Keybuk | I know why it doesn't work ;) | 12:18 |
| Keybuk | BECAUSE THE CODE IS JUST DAMNED WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG :p | 12:18 |
| === Kinnison hands keybuk some more bleach | ||
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| === Treenaks also gives Keybuk the rusty blunt spoon | ||
| === Gman is now known as GmanZZ | ||
| Keybuk | pitti: grab the udev source for me | 12:21 |
| pitti | god it | 12:21 |
| pitti | got it, even | 12:21 |
| seb128 | we get quite a bunch of gnome-power-manager bugs, who is responsive for that package? | 12:22 |
| Keybuk | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/80-extras-iftab_helper.patch | 12:22 |
| Keybuk | replace that patch | 12:22 |
| Keybuk | seb128: hmm, /^g/ ... you | 12:22 |
| seb128 | no no no :p | 12:22 |
| Kinnison | seb128: I've been looking at it yesterday and this morning | 12:23 |
| Kinnison | seb128: but other than that it's mostly been mjg59 | 12:23 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: do you want to be the bug contact for it? :) | 12:23 |
| ogra | seb128, worst case fall back on me | 12:23 |
| seb128 | there is no worst case | 12:23 |
| seb128 | there is just a pile of bug and nobody looking on them | 12:23 |
| ogra | (if you dont find anybody ...) | 12:23 |
| === StevenK beats Keybuk with glibc | ||
| ogra | i'm looking at them ... | 12:23 |
| Kinnison | seb128: I'll be bug contact, sure | 12:23 |
| seb128 | if we do ship it for dapper somebody needs to be responsive for them | 12:23 |
| Kinnison | seb128: I went through it a lot yesterday | 12:24 |
| seb128 | ok, cool | 12:24 |
| Keybuk | StevenK: "with glibc" ? | 12:24 |
| ogra | you might note that i'm subscribed to all of them | 12:24 |
| seb128 | lot stay un-assigned in fact | 12:24 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: It's big and nasty | 12:24 |
| Keybuk | seb128 maintains that too | 12:24 |
| ogra | oh ? | 12:24 |
| Keybuk | he's just in denial | 12:24 |
| StevenK | Heh | 12:24 |
| Keybuk | pitti: obviously then build and install it | 12:24 |
| lifeless | he must be wet then | 12:24 |
| Keybuk | and try the iftab_helper command again | 12:24 |
| === seb128 slaps Keybuk | ||
| StevenK | lifeless: Teehee | 12:25 |
| pitti | seb128: don't he's just fixing my network breakage! | 12:25 |
| pitti | s/ he/, he/ | 12:25 |
| seb128 | ok ok, I can wait a bit :) | 12:25 |
| Kinnison | seb128: Do I have to do something in launchpad to be "bug contact" for g-p-m? | 12:25 |
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| Keybuk | seb128: so, upstream are considering renaming it to gdev :) | 12:26 |
| Keybuk | Kinnison: | 12:26 |
| pitti | Keybuk: $ /lib/udev/iftab_helper eth1 00:06:4f:06:80:7c 1 | 12:26 |
| pitti | eth0 | 12:26 |
| === pitti applauds | ||
| Keybuk | click the "I want to be bug contact" link | 12:26 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: aah yes, thanks | 12:26 |
| Keybuk | pitti: just don't diff the two patches, okay :) | 12:26 |
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| Kinnison | Keybuk: gdev? | 12:27 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I overwrote it right away :) | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | Kinnison: I think it's under Contact settings on the first bug page, or something | 12:27 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: already done, thanks :-) | 12:27 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+subscribe | 12:27 |
| seb128 | good | 12:27 |
| seb128 | ogra: subscribe too if you are interested | 12:27 |
| ogra | doing | 12:27 |
| sebest_ | hello, i just installed vmware-server webui on breezy, and the httpd included is looking for libssl.so.4 | 12:28 |
| seb128 | thank you guys, so we have somebody gettings the bugs by default :) | 12:28 |
| === ogra waits for his inbox to explode | ||
| Kamion | bah, signals not propagated across gtksocket/gtkplug | 12:28 |
| Keybuk | ogra: I heartily recommend not having one | 12:28 |
| Keybuk | no e-mail is liberating | 12:28 |
| === Kamion throws away several hours' work | ||
| sebest_ | i added a link named libssl.so.4 pointing to libssl.so.0.9.7 and it's working | 12:29 |
| Keybuk | not to mention causes a massive increase in productivity | 12:29 |
| ogra | Keybuk, the bad thing about that is that my server doesnt know ... i tried that from christmas to mid january when my server was broken ... | 12:29 |
| StevenK | Keybuk: I used that argument when I broke the mail server at work. | 12:29 |
| StevenK | Keybuk: People didn't see it that way. :-) | 12:30 |
| ogra | but it only resulted in 6000 unread mails after the new server was in place :( | 12:30 |
| === Keybuk tries to think of a decent musical | ||
| Keybuk | I'm running out | 12:30 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: there aren't any? | 12:30 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: southpark: bigger, longer, uncut. | 12:31 |
| StevenK | Oh dear god. | 12:31 |
| === StevenK smothers Kinnison. | ||
| Keybuk | Treenaks: thankyou :) | 12:31 |
| Keybuk | Treenaks: that has exactly the kind of lyrics I was looking for | 12:32 |
| === Kinnison has never heard of the "there aren't any" musical | ||
| Keybuk | ok! that should be the end of that udev bug | 12:35 |
| StevenK | Keybuk: The King and I? | 12:36 |
| === Kinnison reads keybuk's change comment and realises he was just being mad for thanking treenaks | ||
| Keybuk | Kinnison: no, attack of the tab key, s/Treenaks/Kinnison/ :) | 12:38 |
| Treenaks | yeah, because t<tab> and k<tab> are so close :P | 12:40 |
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| === Kinnison gives keybuk a great big valentine's day snog | ||
| Keybuk | Kinnison: I'm sure my boyfriend and yours would object | 12:43 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: mine wouldn't complain so much as want in on the action :-) | 12:44 |
| sivang | heh | 12:45 |
| sivang | guys, as Steve once said in #lp , isn't this supposed to be a "family channel" ? :) | 12:45 |
| === mvo chuckles | ||
| Yagisan | no, it clearly say #ubuntu-xxx ;) | 12:45 |
| sivang | or maybe it's only #lp that's a family channel... | 12:46 |
| StevenK | Well, there was some hot and heavy developer on code action when Keybuk uploaded udev ... | 12:46 |
| sivang | ha ha ha | 12:46 |
| Keybuk | what's not family about two people snogging? | 12:47 |
| Keybuk | two people have to do a lot more than just snog to *get* a family | 12:47 |
| sivang | oh my god, I see that I gotta turn away from my loved irc window to get more work going :) | 12:48 |
| sivang | Keybuk: what's snuggle ? | 12:48 |
| Yagisan | StevenK: isn't the support line 1902-domyubuntu ? | 12:48 |
| sivang | (dict used that word to explain snog) | 12:48 |
| Treenaks | sivang: dict ;)# | 12:48 |
| sivang | Treenaks: what is snuggle then ? :) | 12:49 |
| Treenaks | sivang: dict tells you :) | 12:49 |
| Yagisan | sivang: TTBOMK it is/was slang for sex | 12:49 |
| === Kinnison laughs | ||
| Kinnison | dict's answer for 'snog' is typically wrong | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | heh | 12:50 |
| Yagisan | snog should be kiss, but you'd need a pom to confirm | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | very wrong | 12:50 |
| dholbach | ding offers "to pet, to to neck, to smooch" as well | 12:50 |
| sivang | snog: snuggle and lie in a position where one person faces the | 12:50 |
| sivang | back of the others | 12:50 |
| sivang | according to dict. | 12:50 |
| Kinnison | sivang: aye, that's wrong | 12:50 |
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| Keybuk | that's spooning | 12:51 |
| pseudo | hi dudes. | 12:51 |
| Kinnison | hi pseudo | 12:51 |
| Keybuk | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snog | 12:51 |
| Treenaks | dict needs an urbandictionary plugin (or, ud needs to export their db as a dict service) | 12:52 |
| sivang | pseudo: that's one hack of a clock you've got there :) | 12:52 |
| Treenaks | hack? or heck? :P | 12:53 |
| sivang | Treenaks: ah ah ah! | 12:53 |
| === sivang couldn't help it anymore | ||
| pseudo | lol heck | 12:53 |
| pseudo | =p | 12:53 |
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| Keybuk | I think we should usurp dholbach's "hug day" and replace it with "snog day" | 12:54 |
| Treenaks | snug day? | 12:55 |
| dholbach | Keybuk: right, let's think about the proper announcement later :) | 12:55 |
| Yagisan | oh god no - I just imagined it. | 12:56 |
| === sivang finds the british meaning of the temn, accoridng to urbandict | ||
| dholbach | Yagisan: stop whinging :)) | 12:56 |
| sivang | heh "A word originating in London, England. Meaning KISS. *Hopefully nothing more*." | 12:57 |
| tseng | "The two British girls in my class always sneak off to the toilet together to do a bit of snogging between every class." | 12:58 |
| tseng | is this true? | 12:58 |
| sivang | heh | 12:58 |
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| === sivang changes the topic to "Ubuntu Development and Comedy channel" | ||
| Keybuk | tseng: trust me, while a Lesbian might be a fine friend, when they get plural it's *always* trouble | 01:01 |
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| Yagisan | Keybuk: from experience ? | 01:03 |
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| Keybuk | Kinnison: back me up on this? :) | 01:04 |
| === ogra does ... | ||
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| tseng | Keybuk: will take your word, i only have a handful of gay males as friends | 01:05 |
| tseng | Keybuk: im not sure i remember even talking to a lesbian. | 01:06 |
| sivang | Keybuk: you and Kinnison and twl girls? now that's what I call party :) | 01:06 |
| Keybuk | infinity: ping? | 01:06 |
| Yagisan | sivang: no, that sounds like a nightmare | 01:06 |
| === Kinnison nods, two == danger | ||
| Kinnison | they gang up | 01:06 |
| Kinnison | most scary | 01:06 |
| Yagisan | even just 1 is dangerous | 01:06 |
| Keybuk | nah, one can be useful; especially if you need shelves putting up | 01:07 |
| Keybuk | or other work done around the house | 01:07 |
| Kinnison | like kitchen floors laying | 01:07 |
| Kinnison | they're good at that | 01:07 |
| Keybuk | coo ... I just found a source package I've completely failed to upload :) | 01:07 |
| sivang | Kinnison: why is it bad when they gang up ? | 01:07 |
| tepsipakki | gtkpod-aac | 01:08 |
| tepsipakki | duh | 01:08 |
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| Yagisan | sivang: how old are you ? | 01:08 |
| Kinnison | sivang: it's hard to explain :-) | 01:08 |
| sivang | Yagisan: 27, why? | 01:09 |
| sivang | Kinnison: s/hard/complicated/ :p | 01:10 |
| Yagisan | sivang: you should know by now why then. when they gang up, you can kiss you plans goodbye | 01:10 |
| Yagisan | s/you/your | 01:10 |
| infinity | Keybuk: pong, but only briefly (note the away message) | 01:10 |
| Kinnison | sivang: Oh no, I can explain very simply, but we'd have to fire up skype so you could hear me scream in terror | 01:10 |
| === Kinnison goes to grab lunch | ||
| sivang | Kinnison: I'll take you up on that. | 01:11 |
| Keybuk | infinity: did you ever make any changes to the sysvinit patch I did for the K scripts? | 01:11 |
| infinity | Keybuk: Yeah, I did. | 01:12 |
| Keybuk | infinity: where did you put them? | 01:13 |
| infinity | Keybuk: http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/rc | 01:15 |
| Yagisan | sivang: this ganging up behaviour - it seems to be genetic. my little one, and her mum try to gang up on me when they are together. | 01:15 |
| infinity | Keybuk: Granted, that could probably be rewritten in a way you feel is more sane, that's just the version I was testing with on my system (which does work) | 01:16 |
| sivang | Yagisan: ah, I understood now, so ganging up you meant like "we're all girls decided to do X, and that is why you will have to conform with us" | 01:16 |
| Treenaks | http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ubuntuhks/?CMP=NLC-TT3401179977&ATT=w3 | 01:17 |
| Keybuk | infinity: cheers | 01:18 |
| Keybuk | (which reminds me that I need to officially send apologies that I won't be at this evening's TB meeting) | 01:18 |
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| mjg59 | Keybuk: Ok, sounds like we should possibly skip tonight | 01:18 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: oh, who else is apologising? | 01:19 |
| Yagisan | sivang: that's part of it. although there isn't always a rational reason for wanting to do X | 01:19 |
| sivang | Treenaks: yay, he released it eventually . | 01:20 |
| Yagisan | Keybuk: think of the day. anyone with even a hope of having a significant other is probably practising their apology. | 01:21 |
| Keybuk | indeed, I'd quite like some sex this year, after all | 01:21 |
| === Yagisan didn't even get a card. | ||
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| mjg59 | Keybuk: Matt can't make it at the normal time | 01:23 |
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| Yagisan | Keybuk: I find it all goes quite well until you have kids. then it is worse then being single | 01:24 |
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| SAAD3000 | Hello, i have a problem connecting from Ubuntu to the internet but from xp it works fine. | 01:29 |
| SAAD3000 | any ideas please. | 01:29 |
| dholbach | SAAD3000: that's more of a #ubuntu question | 01:29 |
| SAAD3000 | dholbach nobody can help i asked from yesterday night, really they ended up by "I don't know", "strange", "weird" things like that. | 01:30 |
| SAAD3000 | I really like ubuntu i don't want to uninstall it, but why i can't connect. | 01:30 |
| dholbach | SAAD3000: maybe writing to the ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list helps | 01:31 |
| dholbach | or filing a support request at http://launchpad.net/support | 01:31 |
| SAAD3000 | kthanx man. | 01:31 |
| dholbach | this is unfortunately the wrong place for suppotr | 01:31 |
| dholbach | cool - good luck | 01:31 |
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| ogra | seb128, for g-s-d, tested on all arches, ltsp and two multihead setups ... http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/26_allow_single_user_multiple_logins.patch | 01:38 |
| ogra | (its already a cdbs patch ... | 01:38 |
| ogra | ) | 01:38 |
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| dholbach | Kamion, mdz: are you ok with a gthumb-bugfix-only upload (11 gnome bugs, 3 LP bugs)? | 01:48 |
| dholbach | Kamion, mdz: it's not a strict part of gnome desktop | 01:48 |
| dholbach | Kamion, mdz: I can make the changelog/diffstat available on the net, if necessary. | 01:49 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: Given the TB is likely not to run, what's happening about my upload status? | 01:50 |
| ogra | Kinnison, why shouldnt it run ? | 01:50 |
| dholbach | ogra: Keybuk apologized, Matt is said to not be able to make it, ... | 01:50 |
| ogra | dholbach, oh, i didnt know about matt | 01:51 |
| dholbach | <mjg59> Keybuk: Matt can't make it at the normal time | 01:51 |
| ogra | ah | 01:51 |
| Keybuk | Mark almost certainly won't make it either (he rarely does) | 01:51 |
| ogra | i was testing g-s-d, missed that ... | 01:51 |
| Keybuk | Kinnison: you'll need to ask mdz what he wants to do wrt that | 01:52 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: okay | 01:53 |
| ogra | i guess you could go the mjg59 way with a separate approval "quick meeting" | 01:53 |
| === Kinnison will carry on with assuming he'll get upload soon enough and I'll get sponsors in the meantime :-) | ||
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| Kamion | dholbach: can you stick the changelog somewhere? | 01:56 |
| dholbach | Kamion: yes | 01:57 |
| Keybuk | seb128: could you update initscripts when it appears and try rebooting | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | see whether that cures your /tmp and /var issues | 01:58 |
| Kinnison | damnit my emacs fingers still need retraining | 01:59 |
| dholbach | http://ubuntu.gplan.info/gthumb/ | 01:59 |
| ogra | seb128, can you also think about bug 29404 before uploading next gdm ? | 01:59 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29404 in gdm "gdm should support alternate config file for cdd branding" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29404 | 01:59 |
| === Kinnison keeps defaulting to opening ~/dev-canonical instead of ~/ubuntu-packages | ||
| Kamion | dholbach: looks ok, go ahead | 02:00 |
| dholbach | Kamion: merci beaucoup | 02:00 |
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| seb128 | Keybuk: will try, thank you | 02:01 |
| seb128 | ogra: yeah, those 2 are on my list, don't worry | 02:01 |
| ogra | seb128, thanks a lot :-D | 02:01 |
| seb128 | np | 02:02 |
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| _jdong | is it just me, or did a lot of fonts get much uglier within the past two weeks? | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | yeah dude | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | serif hell | 02:07 |
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| jdong__ | ack stupid network connection | 02:18 |
| jdong__ | was there anything else said about fonts that i missed? | 02:18 |
| tseng | no. | 02:18 |
| jdong__ | is there any planned fix? | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | i still enjoy my serif hell | 02:19 |
| hunger | jsgotangco: Same here. | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | even my display is slooww | 02:21 |
| jdong__ | jsgotangco: the slowness is pango | 02:22 |
| jdong__ | I think | 02:22 |
| jdong__ | but the appearance is just ugly | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:22 |
| jdong__ | what's the exact problem?? | 02:22 |
| sivang | Keybuk: are you doing also uptream work for udev other then just integrating it to ubuntu? </curious> | 02:23 |
| Keybuk | well, we work pretty closely with upstream | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | when someone sends a message from gaim, i get the sound first, then a second later, the text | 02:23 |
| sivang | Keybuk: that is sending patches etc right? upstream is a RH guy? | 02:23 |
| Keybuk | upstream is a SuSE guy | 02:24 |
| Keybuk | all of our patches are sent upstream, and swapped with him | 02:24 |
| Keybuk | and I chat to him a lot on IRC and via e-mail | 02:24 |
| sivang | Keybuk: ah, kool | 02:25 |
| Keybuk | sivang: any particular reason for the question? | 02:28 |
| jdong__ | jsgotangco: wow, try adding some infinite loops in esd to delay the sound? ;) | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:28 |
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| jdong__ | jsgotangco: I g2g, but you want to file a bug on the font ugliness? | 02:31 |
| jdong__ | if Dapper gets released like this, the reviews will burn us | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | "all that pitiful font-deuglification" | 02:31 |
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| jdong__ | Keybuk: you enjoy the new Dapper font? | 02:31 |
| jsgotangco | jdong__, ok i'll check LP for possible dupes | 02:31 |
| Keybuk | I can't say I've *seen* new Dapper fonts | 02:33 |
| Keybuk | the bold terminal fonts still wobble, but they've done that for ages | 02:34 |
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| sivang | Keybuk: </curious> mostly, but I had the wrong idea that he was a RH guy, and you sorted it telling me he's a SuSE guy. | 02:35 |
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| jsgotangco | it reminds me of that old win98 theme with the steam train engine | 02:37 |
| dholbach | Kinnison: I suppose this was asked a million times already, but why was it decided that will soyuz fetch new source uploads only hourly? | 02:37 |
| mdke | our fonts are also missing some characters i think. would be awesome if anyone knows how to fix. See yelp, any document for the horror symbols | 02:37 |
| Kinnison | cron.daily is hourly because it's currently too slow | 02:37 |
| dholbach | Ok, that's a point. :) | 02:37 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke, i see lots of ugly section symbol borkage | 02:39 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: what's the quickest way to find out what app is listening to a given keyboard shortcut? | 02:39 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, yes, its character 2002 that is missing | 02:39 |
| jsgotangco | (for some reason the fonts look nice on yelp) | 02:39 |
| Keybuk | Kinnison: no idea... press it? :P | 02:40 |
| === Kinnison spanks keybuk :-) | ||
| Kinnison | Keybuk: I think I've solved the double-suspend bug | 02:40 |
| Keybuk | ask an X expert | 02:40 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: but to know, I need to check the code of whatever listens for the sleep keyboard shortcut | 02:41 |
| Keybuk | probably gnome-settings-daemon | 02:41 |
| Keybuk | or metacity | 02:41 |
| Kinnison | ta, I'll look thewre | 02:41 |
| Treenaks | or gnome-power-manager | 02:41 |
| Kinnison | Treenaks: given I'm working on g-p-m I'm fairly confident it's not that | 02:41 |
| zakame | hi devs | 02:42 |
| === Treenaks needs an X dev, or at least a new ati driver upload | ||
| jsgotangco | mdke, are we having your patch uploaded? | 02:42 |
| Treenaks | I don't have working X on my minimac! | 02:43 |
| ogra | Treenaks, patches are welcome :P | 02:43 |
| Treenaks | ogra: daniels told me he had a patch a month ago. but then he disappeared. | 02:43 |
| jsgotangco | heh serpentine is borked | 02:44 |
| seb128 | what is borked about it? | 02:44 |
| slomo_ | Treenaks: patch for which problem? broken desktop background, funky colors etc? | 02:44 |
| ogra | slomo_, thats ppc specific | 02:44 |
| Treenaks | slomo_: no, funky refresh issues on X700 | 02:44 |
| Treenaks | slomo_: X700 + 1920x1200, actually | 02:44 |
| Treenaks | slomo_: Never worked since breezy, I did some register dumps, too | 02:45 |
| slomo_ | ogra: i know... he was talking about his minimac so i thought he maybe meant that problem ;) | 02:45 |
| Treenaks | oh, the minimac problem is a different one :) | 02:45 |
| Treenaks | that's '1360x768 scales weirdly' | 02:45 |
| Kamion | is it fixed upstream? | 02:45 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I have no idea, I don't know where to find the upstream changelog | 02:45 |
| === Kamion guesses at http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/ChangeLog?view=markup | ||
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| Treenaks | ah .. xorg/driver | 02:46 |
| Treenaks | not xserver/hw/ | 02:46 |
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| Treenaks | Kamion: I think the 2006-01-19 entry is the fix he meant | 02:47 |
| Kamion | does that description match your card? | 02:47 |
| Kamion | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5656 is the bug | 02:48 |
| Ubugtu | freedesktop bug 5656 in Driver/Radeon "ati radeon xpress 200 is an IGP chip" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 02:48 |
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| tepsipakki | keybuk: since you are the sysvinit-guy, what do you think about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/30141 ? | 02:48 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30141 in glibc "nscd needs to start earlier" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 02:48 |
| Treenaks | hm.. no.. | 02:48 |
| Kamion | the patch is specific to PCI_CHIP_RC410_5A62 | 02:49 |
| Kamion | I suggest e-mailing daniels and asking, if you haven't already done so; I think he's ignoring Ubuntu bugs | 02:49 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: Hm... my bug is #20284 | 02:49 |
| Keybuk | tepsipakki: possibly, I must admit that anything rc2 doesn't hugely interest me right now | 02:49 |
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| tepsipakki | Keybuk: yes, all the cool stuff in rcS ;) | 02:50 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: bug number typo? it's not 20284 | 02:50 |
| Treenaks | uh, 20283 sorry | 02:50 |
| tseng | Keybuk: is HCT going live? i see some UI | 02:51 |
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| tseng | Keybuk: </schoolgirl> | 02:51 |
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| Mez | tseng: i'd love for it to golive | 03:00 |
| Mez | lol | 03:00 |
| Mez | make life so much easier | 03:00 |
| Treenaks | HCT? | 03:06 |
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| siretart | tseng: ui? | 03:06 |
| tseng | siretart: in launchpad | 03:06 |
| siretart | where excatly? | 03:07 |
| mvo | Diziet: can I bug you about those "dist-upgrade" conffile prompts? I asked about it a while ago and apparently it still happens on breezy->dapper upgrades | 03:07 |
| tseng | siretart: on the source package page | 03:07 |
| poningru | I had a question perhaps better suited for email list, are we doing something about adding tango? | 03:07 |
| tseng | poningru: tango is added | 03:07 |
| tseng | poningru: since months. | 03:07 |
| ogra | tseng, that button is there since ages | 03:07 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng: it's just not default. :P | 03:08 |
| poningru | tseng: oh well the tango just looked a little bit less shinier | 03:08 |
| poningru | nm then | 03:08 |
| ogra | its not complete | 03:08 |
| siretart | tseng: I fail to see what you mean, e.g. on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pmount | 03:08 |
| ogra | and its blue ... | 03:08 |
| poningru | yeah | 03:08 |
| raphink | hmm seems cups is broken again :s | 03:08 |
| ogra | so it would need brownification first | 03:09 |
| tseng | "it's not the default" is silly for most things, seeing as it takes a few seconds to install a package | 03:09 |
| tseng | ogra: dapper+1 wont be brown | 03:09 |
| ogra | tseng, how do you know ? | 03:09 |
| tseng | mark said something about how the look was going to change after dapper | 03:09 |
| tseng | for 4 more releases | 03:09 |
| raphink | how will it be tseng ? | 03:10 |
| tseng | i dont know, i cant read his mind :) | 03:10 |
| tseng | just what he said | 03:10 |
| poningru | tseng: green!! | 03:10 |
| ogra | tseng, i know he said it *must* not be brown ... | 03:10 |
| ogra | but thats not definite saying it *will* not be brown | 03:10 |
| raphink | lol | 03:10 |
| ogra | :) | 03:10 |
| tseng | I guess | 03:11 |
| raphink | ogra: why? human? | 03:11 |
| ogra | siretart, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ltsp | 03:11 |
| ogra | raphink, ? | 03:11 |
| Kamion | you mean "*might* not be brown" or "doesn't have to be brown", I think | 03:11 |
| raphink | ogra: it must still be a human theme? | 03:11 |
| Kamion | "must not" means "muss nicht" rather than "darf nicht" | 03:11 |
| ogra | i have no clue which color dapper+1 will have, it might or might not be brown by marks statement | 03:11 |
| Kamion | (if I remember my German right) | 03:11 |
| ogra | Kamion, right ... | 03:11 |
| === ogra blushes, Kamions german is still better than ogras english :) | ||
| Kamion | nah, I can't hold a conversation in it | 03:12 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:12 |
| tseng | ogra and dholbach still "stand up" in the morning :) | 03:12 |
| raphink | well depends what kind of conversation I guess Kamion ;) | 03:12 |
| tseng | and other germanisms | 03:12 |
| ogra | Kamion, heh, but your grammar is better than most germans grammar | 03:13 |
| ogra | tseng, heh, yes :) | 03:13 |
| ogra | siretart, look at the top right | 03:13 |
| raphink | tseng: we also stand up in the morning in french :) | 03:13 |
| ogra | and given that dholbach is french ... | 03:14 |
| tseng | haha! | 03:14 |
| Kamion | raphink: oh, I could probably hold my own online with the aid of a dictionary, but I have no hope of holding a spoken conversation at the moment unless it's artificially slowed down to a tenth of the speed | 03:14 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:15 |
| raphink | ogra: haha | 03:15 |
| ogra | Kamion, hmm, that'd give very low tunes :) | 03:15 |
| siretart | ogra: oh, so this means that is available only for packages, which have a Code branch associated. I see | 03:15 |
| siretart | thanks | 03:15 |
| ogra | siretart, its not available at all ... its only a dummy ... | 03:15 |
| Kamion | ogra: heh | 03:16 |
| raphink | anyone having issues with cups today? | 03:18 |
| lemsto | is esound still used in dapper? and if yes is there a way to use gstreamer/dmix in stead of esd for all gnome events? :D | 03:19 |
| ogra | BenC, everytime i suspend my ibook and wake it up again, my appletouch driver breaks and the mouse is stuck... known bug ? | 03:20 |
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| ogra | rmmod/modprobe doesnt help ... | 03:21 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Using what mechanism for suspend? | 03:23 |
| ogra | doesnt matter | 03:24 |
| ogra | suspend to ram either via g-p-m or pbbuttonsd | 03:24 |
| ogra | i dont think its related to one of them ... | 03:24 |
| ogra | rather a kernel or driver bug | 03:25 |
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| siretart | doko: python2.3 considered deprecated? huh? | 03:29 |
| pitti | siretart: yes, we want it out of main | 03:31 |
| pitti | doko: great progress, thanks :) | 03:31 |
| siretart | pitti: oh. good to know. Do you know what the status about python2.4 as default in sid? | 03:32 |
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| pitti | siretart: not really, but AFAIK 2.3 is still the default; doko should know better, though | 03:33 |
| siretart | pitti: yes. it is | 03:33 |
| ogra | doko, oh, i see my chances for schooltool rise :) | 03:33 |
| Mez | lmao@ the linda easter egg | 03:35 |
| jpatrick | Mez: that poem? | 03:37 |
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| Mez | yeah | 03:40 |
| sebest | mjg59: i read your post about brigthness control on laptop | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | sebest: Mm? | 03:42 |
| sebest | and i'd like to know how you found these informations | 03:42 |
| sebest | http://mjg59.livejournal.com/57875.html | 03:42 |
| doko | siretart: in the final stages ... | 03:42 |
| doko | ogra: why? | 03:42 |
| ogra | doko, new zope3 ? | 03:43 |
| sebest | because i'd like to do the same for my fujitsu siemens, and i'd like to have a starting point :) | 03:43 |
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| BenC | ogra: not known | 03:44 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: (good) news | 03:44 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: I've tracked down several issues relating to gnome-power-manager | 03:45 |
| Alinux | mjg59, thank you bro! Super! sudo apt-cache search georgian | grep bpg | 03:45 |
| Alinux | ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts - BPG Georgian fonts | 03:45 |
| doko | ogra: but no new schooltool yet ... | 03:45 |
| siretart | doko: cool. good to hear | 03:45 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: one at least is in the acpid package | 03:45 |
| ogra | doko, i know ... jinty is working on it afaik | 03:46 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: one is related to how gnome-power-manager is invoked in a normal session | 03:46 |
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| Kinnison | mjg59: bug 31407 | 03:48 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 31407 in acpid "powerbtn.sh incorrectly looks for PowerManager" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31407 | 03:48 |
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| BenC | Mithrandir: ping | 03:51 |
| ogra | BenC, anything i can do to get more info about the appletouch thingie ? | 03:51 |
| BenC | ogra: more than likely, it just needs to be added to the suspend/resume scripts as a module that needs unload/reload | 03:52 |
| ogra | ah, k | 03:52 |
| raphink | is http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ obsolete now? | 03:52 |
| ogra | raphink, depends for what ... | 03:52 |
| dholbach | raphink: if you mean the buildLogs, then yes | 03:52 |
| ogra | i guess lamont still uses it :P | 03:53 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: pong? | 03:53 |
| ogra | raphink, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+builds | 03:53 |
| raphink | dholbach: oh ok didn't know | 03:54 |
| raphink | where can I find the buildlogs now then? | 03:54 |
| siretart | how do we get a list of packages, which currently FTBFS? | 03:54 |
| siretart | raphink: the package's page in launchpad has the buildlogs linked | 03:54 |
| ogra | siretart, there is a filer | 03:54 |
| raphink | thanks ogra, useful to know | 03:54 |
| ogra | *filter | 03:54 |
| dholbach | siretart: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+builds?build_state=failed | 03:54 |
| siretart | thanks dholbach | 03:55 |
| ogra | just select it from the pulldown | 03:55 |
| raphink | siretart: pretty useful, but how about this ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/revu-tools | 03:55 |
| siretart | ah, right, thanks | 03:55 |
| raphink | siretart: how do I know the where this has stopped? | 03:55 |
| pitti | Kamion: still remember this 'dhlient.conf only contains NetcfgDHClient' line bug? this is already fixed, right? | 03:55 |
| Kamion | pitti: yeah | 03:55 |
| siretart | raphink: looks like it has not been attempted to be built | 03:56 |
| pitti | Kamion: in which package? I'd like to close bug 30220 | 03:56 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30220 in hal hal-device-manager "Problem with automatic start NIC adapters after update Dapper Drake Flight CD3" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30220 | 03:56 |
| Kamion | we don't propagate netcfg's private vendor class id any more | 03:56 |
| raphink | siretart: indeed, yet it's on my LP page | 03:56 |
| pitti | ah, netcfg, thanks | 03:56 |
| raphink | siretart: https://launchpad.net/people/raphink/+packages you see? | 03:56 |
| raphink | siretart: revu-tools and konq-kim are on my LP page, although they haven't been built | 03:56 |
| raphink | siretart: and I don't seem to be able to know where they're stuck | 03:56 |
| Kamion | pitti: you can mark it as a dup of bug 27141 | 03:57 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 27141 in netcfg "error message: no option named dhcp-class-identifier" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/27141 | 03:57 |
| pitti | will do, thanks | 03:57 |
| Kamion | and tell the user to just remove that line | 03:57 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: can you give me the exact mkisofs command used to create the daily-live cd's for ppc? | 03:58 |
| Kamion | BenC: I stand a better chance probably, give me a second | 03:59 |
| BenC | Kamion: ok, thanks | 03:59 |
| Kamion | BenC: first, grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/hfs.map | 03:59 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: no. :-) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo should have it. | 04:00 |
| Kamion | BenC: then I think it's "mkisofs -r -V 'Ubuntu 6.04 ppc Bin-1' -o dapper-live-powerpc.iso --netatalk -hfs -probe -map hfs.map -part -no-desktop -hfs-bless <path/to/cd/tree>/install -hfs-volid Ubuntu/PowerPC_dapper <path/to/cd/tree>' | 04:00 |
| BenC | Kamion: thanks | 04:01 |
| siretart | raphink: I don't know either. If you are already waiting for it for some time, I'd suggest asking in #launchpad | 04:01 |
| BenC | Kamion, Mithrandir: I'm testing mksquashfs 3.0 to see if it avoids the oops on ppc | 04:01 |
| raphink | siretart: ok thanks | 04:01 |
| BenC | our current kernel module is 2.1/3.0, but our mksquashfs is 2.1 (so we aren't using much of the newer code) | 04:01 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: wasn't the oops in unionfs rather than squashfs, though? | 04:01 |
| BenC | no, it's in squashfs, and occurs when readahead-list is called | 04:02 |
| Kamion | BenC: actually we also put '-chrp-boot -iso-level 2' in there now | 04:02 |
| === ogra didnt see the oops on his test on friday | ||
| BenC | atleast the oops I am seeing right now is | 04:02 |
| BenC | I just tested yesterdays live-cd and it oopsed on my pb | 04:02 |
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| ogra | hmm | 04:02 |
| BenC | it ran fine, but the oops is still there | 04:02 |
| Kamion | (I should make debian-cd actually log its mkisofs command) | 04:03 |
| BenC | Kamion: a file in install/mkisofs-cmd.txt would be nice | 04:03 |
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| Kamion | BenC: yeah, I agree, been meaning to do that for a long time | 04:06 |
| BenC | the crazy part is, if I mount the squashfs locally, and run /etc/init.d/readahead from chroot, it doesn't cause an oops | 04:06 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: maybe some weird interaction with unionfs, then? | 04:07 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: who knows, it crashes inside of __down(), but that doesn't make any sense | 04:07 |
| BenC | the mutex seems to be initialized just fine | 04:08 |
| Mithrandir | stack gone boom? | 04:08 |
| Mithrandir | but that'd probably make your system wobbly afterwards.. | 04:08 |
| BenC | well, it crashes inside add_wait_queue_exclusive() actually, but the calls if from __down() on the fragment_wait semaphore | 04:08 |
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| janimo | mvo ping | 04:12 |
| mvo | janimo: pong | 04:12 |
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| janimo | hello, I replied to your mail | 04:12 |
| janimo | so if it's too much bother keep gconf | 04:12 |
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| janimo | does kubuntu have an update-notifier? | 04:12 |
| jpatrick | janimo: yes | 04:12 |
| janimo | so gconf is part of kubuntu as well? | 04:13 |
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| mvo | it seems like one issue is that gconf must be split out of python2.4-gnome2, it's currently all one big package | 04:13 |
| jpatrick | well there's adept-updater | 04:13 |
| janimo | mvo, hmm I filed a bug on LP regarding splitting out gnomecanvas from same | 04:13 |
| mvo | janimo: thanks, that's nice. I don't use it for fancy stuff, it's just *so* convenient :) | 04:14 |
| janimo | I may have to look at it and provide a patch to seb since this comes up in quite a few gnome-python packages which do not actually req gnome | 04:14 |
| janimo | like gcompris | 04:14 |
| janimo | mvo, so kubuntu-updater is a different app entirely? | 04:15 |
| jpatrick | yes | 04:15 |
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| janimo | too bad. | 04:15 |
| janimo | I mean it would be nice instead of so mucg duping just have backend+ qt and gtk frontends | 04:15 |
| mjg59 | sebest: Sorry, my connection died | 04:16 |
| mjg59 | sebest: Mostly from reading the drivers | 04:16 |
| mvo | yes, it's a unfortunate situation | 04:16 |
| janimo | I wonder if they chose this path because of gnome-python deps or other core logic is different in their app | 04:16 |
| ogra | janimo, ugh, splitting out gnomecanvas would probably cause a huge transition ... | 04:16 |
| janimo | ogra, not necessarily | 04:16 |
| ogra | there are mmayn apps using it | 04:17 |
| janimo | you could just keep depending on gnomepythons | 04:17 |
| ogra | *many | 04:17 |
| janimo | and transition package by package if needed | 04:17 |
| mvo | janimo: it's mostly historical reasons | 04:17 |
| janimo | g-pythjon would dep on canvas-python | 04:17 |
| mvo | if we switch to smart for dapper+1 things will converge again | 04:17 |
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| janimo | mvo, including adept synaptic or is that divergence for good? | 04:18 |
| sebest | mjg59, and if there is no windows software or driver provided by the manufacturer? | 04:18 |
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| janimo | a smart, I did not read that part of the sentence | 04:18 |
| janimo | ogra, the packs I found so far ar hwdb-client and gcompris | 04:19 |
| ogra | ldm/ltsp-client is another | 04:19 |
| sebest | mjg59, i can try to test the different options that you discovered and cross my fingers :) | 04:19 |
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| janimo | ogra, does that too bring in gnome just for canvas? | 04:19 |
| ogra | and i guess there are much more where you have to look at the source | 04:19 |
| ogra | yes | 04:19 |
| janimo | and that ldm/ltsp is client side in edubuntu? | 04:20 |
| ogra | it uses other pygtk stuff though ... | 04:20 |
| ogra | yes | 04:20 |
| mjg59 | sebest: What hardware do you have? | 04:20 |
| ogra | its in the chroot you build with ltsp-build-client | 04:20 |
| janimo | well those gnome libs are not loaded on startup so it's not _that_ bad, but are installed nevertheless | 04:20 |
| ogra | not really obvious to catch the dependencys | 04:20 |
| sebest | mjg59, a fujitsu siemens amilo d 7400 | 04:20 |
| sebest | i can control brigthness using the fn+left/right keys (but no way in software) | 04:21 |
| janimo | mvo, but in theory if you don't use gconf fanciness would using an ini file be ok? | 04:22 |
| janimo | since gtk has a nice api for that too | 04:22 |
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| janimo | actuallly glib | 04:22 |
| mjg59 | sebest: Easiest thing to test is doing watch 2 cat /dev/nvram | 04:23 |
| mjg59 | After loading the nvram module | 04:23 |
| mjg59 | Then see if it changes as you change the brightness | 04:23 |
| sebest | mjg59, ok, i test this | 04:23 |
| janimo | mjg59, since a recent upgrade (kernel? udev?) I cannot hibernate | 04:24 |
| janimo | acpi_sbs uses stuff | 04:24 |
| mjg59 | janimo: "uses stuff"? | 04:24 |
| janimo | so hibernate just triggers screensaver | 04:24 |
| janimo | hmm don't have the exact message | 04:24 |
| janimo | a moment | 04:24 |
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| janimo | ERROR: Module ac is in use by acpi_sbs | 04:25 |
| janimo | ERROR: Module battery is in use by acpi_sbs | 04:25 |
| mvo | janimo: yes, sure. I'm too busy to rewrite the code currently | 04:26 |
| janimo | so hibernation starts. screen blanks but after ~10 sec it just pop up the screen lock dialog | 04:26 |
| mjg59 | Ah, ok | 04:26 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. No, that's almost certainly not the problem | 04:26 |
| mjg59 | That code doesn't get called until the resume | 04:26 |
| janimo | hmm /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh: line 27: echo: write error: No such device | 04:27 |
| infinity | mjg59: While people are bugging you, any plans to make /etc/acpi/lid.sh DTRT with gnome-screensaver? | 04:27 |
| janimo | maybe this a bit above | 04:27 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Yes | 04:27 |
| mjg59 | (That is, do nothing) | 04:27 |
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| infinity | mjg59: Oh. Nothing is kinda what it already seems to do. | 04:27 |
| janimo | other than that the usual warnings: cardctl not found, eth0 cannot be mapped reliably | 04:27 |
| mjg59 | infinity: gnome-screensaver ought to have the ability to DTRT itself | 04:28 |
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| infinity | mjg59: To be honest, I miss my lid button being a quick shortcut to "lock my console" :) | 04:28 |
| mjg59 | If it isn't, we should fix that | 04:28 |
| infinity | mjg59: Ahh, well, whoever should be doing TRT, they're not. | 04:28 |
| mjg59 | (It really ought to have a "Lock screen on lid close" option) | 04:28 |
| janimo | hmm the lid->lock screen works here (xscreensaver) | 04:28 |
| infinity | mjg59: s/g-s-s/g-p-m/ you mean, then. | 04:28 |
| mjg59 | No | 04:28 |
| mjg59 | It's not a power management issue | 04:28 |
| infinity | mjg59: Well, g-p-m has the close lid options in it. | 04:29 |
| mjg59 | It has options for the power management aspects of it | 04:29 |
| infinity | mjg59: Which I have set to "do nothing", cause the other options (suspend and hibernate) are clearly not what I want. | 04:29 |
| infinity | mjg59: I'd find it phenomenally unintuitive to have options to do stuff on lid closure in two different places... But whatever. | 04:29 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Hmm. I'd find the other way more unintuitive, I think | 04:30 |
| infinity | Well, we're attacking from two different angles, I guess. You're all about "locking the screen is a screensaver thing, so I should set it there", and I'm all about "I saw sometihng about closing the lid in the g-p-m properties, so that's where I should configure stuff that happens when I close the lid" | 04:31 |
| ogra | mjg59, err, didt we agree to have a "lock only" option in g-p-m last week ? | 04:31 |
| ogra | *didnt | 04:31 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Did we? | 04:31 |
| ogra | i think so ... | 04:31 |
| mjg59 | Oh, ok | 04:31 |
| ogra | see my weekly dapper report | 04:31 |
| infinity | (I also don't expect most users to know or care that locking a console is a screensaver function.. that's a UNIX oddity) | 04:31 |
| mjg59 | I think it seems odd to configure screen locking in a power management thing | 04:31 |
| infinity | Locking a console is certainly not related to the screensaver in WinNT, for instance. | 04:32 |
| ogra | but its confusing to have lid actions anywhere else | 04:32 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. Fair enough, then. | 04:33 |
| infinity | So, either the whole thing moves to a "configure my special buttons" applet (so it's not tied to power management OR screensavers), or just leave it in g-p-m with a "Lock Screen" option... | 04:33 |
| infinity | Or put it in both plages, with the same options. | 04:33 |
| ogra | mjg59, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/29881 | 04:33 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29881 in gnome-screensaver "Closing the lid should lock the screen if locking is activated in gnome-screensaver" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 04:33 |
| ogra | (see the initial reporter) | 04:33 |
| infinity | Which was what Windows used to do with the monitor power problem. It was in both screensaver and power management. | 04:33 |
| ogra | :) | 04:33 |
| janimo | mjg59, just in case you missed it /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh: line 27: echo: write error: No such device | 04:34 |
| mjg59 | janimo: Do you have a swap partition mounted? | 04:34 |
| mjg59 | (Check /proc/swaps) | 04:35 |
| janimo | I see there is a /sys/power/state | 04:35 |
| janimo | no swaps! | 04:35 |
| janimo | hmm | 04:35 |
| janimo | I wonder why my swap partition does not get activated | 04:36 |
| Kinnison | ogra: since I'm going to start hacking on gnome-power-manager fairly soon, should I be looking into implementing the lock-only action? | 04:36 |
| ogra | Kinnison, that would be great, since it would be a last minute thing before feature freeze next wee on my side ... | 04:36 |
| janimo | mjg59, ok I see my swap partition somehow went away recently without me noticing it | 04:37 |
| ogra | you just need to call gnome-screensaver.command --lock ... | 04:37 |
| ogra | err | 04:37 |
| ogra | gnome-screensaver-command | 04:37 |
| ogra | as the lock icon in the desktop does ... | 04:37 |
| ogra | should be trivial to implement | 04:37 |
| Kinnison | does that turn the backlight off? | 04:37 |
| infinity | On most laptops (mine included), hitting the hardware switch turns off the backlight anyway. | 04:37 |
| mjg59 | g-s-s should be turning the backlight off on lid close regardless | 04:38 |
| ogra | it does if i use the locj button, so i guess yes | 04:38 |
| janimo | Kinnison, will there be a show NEW queue status in LP? | 04:38 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: which is g-s-s? | 04:38 |
| mjg59 | gnome-screensaver | 04:38 |
| ogra | gnome-screensaver | 04:38 |
| Kinnison | janimo: eventually | 04:38 |
| Kinnison | right, noted | 04:38 |
| mjg59 | That's a "It should do this" rather than "It is meant to do this" | 04:38 |
| mjg59 | I have no idea if it does | 04:38 |
| mjg59 | If it doesn't, it should be fixed | 04:38 |
| infinity | Also, /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank is called on lid close, which should turn off the backlight for most people. | 04:38 |
| infinity | mjg59: Or is that going away? | 04:39 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Yeah, but shouldn't be if you have some other policy manager running | 04:39 |
| ogra | BenC, removing appletouch before suspend works, thanks for the hint ... | 04:41 |
| ogra | mjg59, does powerpc have any common script to care for module removal ? (i added appletouch to the alsa script for testing for now) | 04:43 |
| ogra | or do i need to write one ? | 04:43 |
| mjg59 | ogra: This should all be part of pmi | 04:44 |
| mjg59 | (And some scripts should be migrated from acpi-support to there) | 04:44 |
| ogra | ah, there is only alsa for now in /etc/apm/scripts.d ... having a dummy to add stuff manually would be cool ... | 04:45 |
| ogra | i think i saw such a script on amd64 in the acpi scripts ... | 04:45 |
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| pitti | mvo: u-n still spins 100% cpu on the current live CD - which version was supposed to fix that? | 04:58 |
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| pitti | mvo: hmm, current live CD has the latest version 0.41.6 | 05:00 |
| pitti | mvo: still spins in the same read/write/poll=EAGAIN loop | 05:01 |
| mvo | pitti: I uploaded a 0.41.7 but my hopes aren't that good | 05:01 |
| pitti | mvo: this damn bug haunts you in your dreams, doesn't it? | 05:01 |
| mvo | I'll do another debugging session later | 05:01 |
| mvo | yes | 05:01 |
| mvo | it's the suck | 05:01 |
| mvo | I'll open a bottle of champagne when I have it | 05:02 |
| pitti | mvo: revert to gamin? | 05:02 |
| seb128 | that's not due to gam | 05:03 |
| pitti | mvo: hm, gam_server doesn't run on the current live session | 05:03 |
| seb128 | the loop is egg stuff and notify icon | 05:03 |
| seb128 | nothing due to gnomevfs or inotify | 05:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: why should it? we stopped using it... | 05:03 |
| pitti | seb128: no, I mean, it would be a pity to reintroduce it just for u-n | 05:03 |
| seb128 | I agree with that :) | 05:04 |
| seb128 | and easier to debug u-n than to debug gam_server again imho | 05:04 |
| pitti | ack | 05:04 |
| pitti | mvo: can you reproduce it on the live CD? | 05:04 |
| pitti | mvo: or reproduce it at all? | 05:04 |
| mvo | pitti: I'm syncing the latest live cd now to test it | 05:06 |
| mvo | pitti: otherwise I wasn't able to reproduce it, I sometimes get it when I kill the panel often enough | 05:06 |
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| mvo | but killing the panel has lots of other unpleasnt effects | 05:06 |
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| Alinux | pitti, hello pal :) | 05:24 |
| pitti | hi Alinux | 05:24 |
| pitti | where did the "OS" go? :) | 05:24 |
| Alinux | sudo apt-cache search georgian | grep bpg | 05:24 |
| Alinux | ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts - BPG Georgian fonts | 05:24 |
| Alinux | pitti, :) | 05:24 |
| Alinux | hehe | 05:24 |
| AlinuxOS | here I am :) | 05:24 |
| AlinuxOS | great thing with fonts!! Super! | 05:25 |
| pitti | hm, I don't have that package yet | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Did we get support for having a separate file to declare the resume partition? | 05:25 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, done :) | 05:25 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/gpm/ | 05:25 |
| AlinuxOS | done it :) | 05:25 |
| Kinnison | ogra: ^^ | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Right now, anyone upgrading is likely to lose that information (and we're going to have to find some way to reconstruct it) | 05:25 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: adds "lock" option to gpm | 05:25 |
| Kinnison | ogra: ^^ | 05:25 |
| janimo | mvo any way to trigger the u-n cpu usage or just random? | 05:26 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Why poke? | 05:26 |
| Kamion | mjg59: (could be sucked out of the conffile in the preinst) | 05:26 |
| AlinuxOS | pitti, and maybe you link them like dependency for georgian gnome locales ? | 05:26 |
| ogra | Kinnison, cool | 05:26 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: so that when you open the lid again, the unlock dialog is there waiting | 05:26 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Not for anyone who's already upgraded it can't | 05:26 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Poking it will turn on the backlight | 05:26 |
| Kamion | mjg59: sure, I know, but I'm ultimately more concerned about release->release upgrades | 05:26 |
| pitti | AlinuxOS: yes, at least; usually we want fonts in the default install, but that's a matter of size | 05:26 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: Hmm, it doesn't on my laptop | 05:27 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Sure, but it's the people who've been tracking who are going to bitch :) | 05:27 |
| pitti | AlinuxOS: but adding them to l-s-ka is easy | 05:27 |
| Kamion | and I don't think we *can* fix it well for people who've already upgraded | 05:27 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: or else the laptop forces the backlight off when the lid is closed | 05:27 |
| Kamion | we can note the issue in the release notes for the Flight CD release after we get the problem fixed | 05:27 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Either acpi-support is still switching off the backlight, or your hardware is doing so | 05:27 |
| AlinuxOS | pitti, there ara only 275,3 KB | 05:27 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: acpi-support almost certainly is | 05:27 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: I'll look into it some more | 05:27 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: It's likely to stop doing that soon | 05:27 |
| AlinuxOS | I think it's not a problem... | 05:27 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: Okay but lock on its own doesn't dpms off | 05:28 |
| AlinuxOS | mdz, told me some days ago. | 05:28 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: would it be reasonable to poke when lid opened? | 05:28 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: g-p-m or g-s-s should turn the screen off on lid close | 05:28 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Yup, that's reasonable | 05:28 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: I'll rework the patch | 05:29 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: np | 05:29 |
| ogra | Kinnison, poke me to test and upload if you like then ... | 05:30 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: The downside of just having it as another setting on the "lid" action dropdown is that it means it doesn't interact with sleep/hibernate | 05:31 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: So it probably ought to be calling it on those as well | 05:31 |
| ogra | i thougth pmi does that anyway ? | 05:32 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: gpm's sleep/hibernate already locks and pokes as appropriate | 05:32 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: It does? | 05:32 |
| Kinnison | yep | 05:32 |
| mjg59 | I don't always seem to see that | 05:32 |
| ogra | Kinnison, i think that works only if youo have lock checked in the g-ss preferences | 05:33 |
| Kinnison | ogra: aye | 05:33 |
| ogra | try without the check ... | 05:33 |
| mjg59 | It probably should only do that if that's checked | 05:33 |
| Kinnison | if lock is not enabled in gss, it won't try | 05:33 |
| mjg59 | But does it always blank the screen on suspend? | 05:33 |
| mjg59 | (and therefore lock it if locking is enabled) | 05:33 |
| Kinnison | no | 05:33 |
| ogra | yup, at least i see the fade if i open the lid | 05:33 |
| Kinnison | it only locks if locking is on | 05:34 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: That doesn't seem to disagree with what I said | 05:35 |
| ogra | i'm pretty sure the screensaver is started on hibernate/suspend ... | 05:35 |
| ogra | if lock is set, it behaves like wanted | 05:35 |
| ogra | if not it doesnt lock ... | 05:35 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: One thing - suspend should not proceed until the screen is blanked (if locking is enabled) | 05:36 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Otherwise on resume there's an opportunity for a glimpse of desktop before the screen is blanked | 05:36 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: I have no idea if gpm_screensaver_lock returns before the blank phase is complete | 05:36 |
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| Kinnison | mjg59: hmm, dbus_g_proxy_call_no_reply doesn't sound like a blocking call to me | 05:37 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Right - that probably needs to be looked at, then | 05:38 |
| ogra | let it sleep for some seconds ? | 05:38 |
| Kinnison | ogra: messy but possible | 05:38 |
| ogra | just to be sure | 05:38 |
| BenC | Mithrandir, Kamion: using mksquashfs 3.0 for filesystem.squashfs gets rid of the oops for me | 05:38 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: can you file a bug on gnome-power-manager so it doesn't get forgotten? | 05:38 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Not right now (awkward network situation) | 05:38 |
| mjg59 | I'll try to do that later | 05:38 |
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| Kinnison | mjg59: ta | 05:39 |
| seb128 | ogra: that may change ... | 05:39 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: btw, tonight, chinese @ norfolk st, then film. interested? | 05:39 |
| ogra | seb128, oh, whats wrong ? | 05:39 |
| seb128 | ogra: upstream move the gdm.conf to /usr/share, I'm thinking about what to do on update | 05:39 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Otherwise engaged, sadly | 05:39 |
| seb128 | so for now it's still to /etc | 05:39 |
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| ogra | seb128, feel free to move that for cdd as well, i rally dont care where its stored ... | 05:44 |
| ogra | ... as long as the option is there ... | 05:44 |
| seb128 | k, I'll let you know | 05:44 |
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| Keybuk | Kamion: the scrollbar on a daily from last week is behaving a little oddly, it jumped from 6% to 34% after lots of work | 05:46 |
| HiddenWolf | Keybuk: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/29789 | 05:49 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29789 in udev "tv card audio not working" [Normal,Needs info] | 05:49 |
| ogra | Keybuk, you dont happen to test edubuntu ? :P (ltsp chroot building has only 50 and 100% :) ) | 05:49 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: updated | 05:51 |
| Kinnison | ogra: updated | 05:51 |
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| ogra | (greedy) | 05:51 |
| Kinnison | ogra: Once I've worked out where the autocrud came from, I'd like an | 05:51 |
| Kinnison | sponsored upload | 05:51 |
| ogra | oki | 05:51 |
| Kinnison | if you have any idea what might have caused the autocrud I'd be grateful | 05:52 |
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| jsgotangco | good night | 05:54 |
| ogra | Kinnison, likely some cdbs cruft ... | 05:55 |
| Mez | Kinnison, still not a MOTU ? | 05:55 |
| ogra | (i switched the package to cdbs with 0.3.4 to make it more convenient for seb128 if he takes it over :P ) | 05:56 |
| Keybuk | HiddenWolf: doesn't look like a bug | 05:56 |
| Keybuk | looks like you need to blacklist bttv for your configuration to work | 05:56 |
| HiddenWolf | Keybuk: where do I do that? | 05:56 |
| Keybuk | add a "blacklist bttv" line to a file in /etc/modprobe.d | 05:56 |
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| Kinnison | ogra: updated | 05:57 |
| Kinnison | Mez: I'm supposed to become core-dev | 05:58 |
| ogra | still testbuilding here ... | 05:58 |
| Kinnison | Mez: dunno when though | 05:58 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: The 0ubuntu7 patched g-p-m does the lock and dpms correctly even if lid.sh is stubbed with "exit 0" at the top | 05:58 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: er, which scrollbar? | 05:58 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Ok, sounds good | 05:59 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: (Though how are you checking the dpms?) | 05:59 |
| slomo_ | infinity: please give-back ikvm on amd64, ftbfs should be fixed now with the new nant. thanks :) | 05:59 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: looking carefully at my closed laptop, and reading g-p-m's output which certainly claims to be doing the dpms | 05:59 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Ok, sounds good | 05:59 |
| Kinnison | the debdiff is now small and clean | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | Cool | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | What's the URL? | 06:00 |
| Kinnison | people.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/gpm | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Want it uploading? | 06:01 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: I believe ogra is looking at it right now | 06:01 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 06:01 |
| === Kinnison would like the TB to consider him for core-dev :-) | ||
| Kinnison | but I'm guessing that's unlikely today | 06:02 |
| ogra | Kinnison, mjg59 did also get approved in a extra meeting ... you would need mdz to have quorum ... | 06:02 |
| HiddenWolf | Kinnison: just win enough hearts and minds. :) | 06:02 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Can you send that to upstream? | 06:03 |
| ogra | HiddenWolf, it blocks his work to have no upload rights ... | 06:03 |
| ogra | at least it slows down | 06:03 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: what, the lock patch? sure | 06:03 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: gnome bugzilla? | 06:03 |
| ogra | Kinnison, hughsie is in #hal ... | 06:03 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: installer | 06:03 |
| Kinnison | okay I'll poke him there | 06:04 |
| Keybuk | unpack/config/etc. phase | 06:04 |
| ogra | Kinnison, he's upstream | 06:04 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: dude, it has lots of progress bars | 06:04 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: base-installer ("Installing the base system") or pkgsel ("Select and install software")? | 06:04 |
| Kinnison | ogra: right | 06:04 |
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| Kamion | both of those match your description | 06:04 |
| Keybuk | base-installer I think | 06:05 |
| Kamion | a wodge of that progress bar is reserved for downloading packages, and it tends to jump past that on CD installs | 06:06 |
| Kamion | debootstrap was probably in deep contemplation of the files on the CD or something | 06:07 |
| Keybuk | I've so got to install bootchart on this thing :) | 06:08 |
| Keybuk | a primitive "run date twice on another machine and hit enter" suggests it's 18s from grub to gdm | 06:09 |
| Kinnison | ogra: he's not around, I'll file a bug in gnome bugzilla with the debdiff if you want to upload to dapper in the meantime | 06:10 |
| ogra | i will, just finished the testbuild, lets see how it behaves | 06:11 |
| Kinnison | cool | 06:11 |
| ogra | hmm... it suspends on ibook | 06:11 |
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| Kinnison | rehi ogra_ibook | 06:22 |
| Kinnison | any luck? | 06:23 |
| ogra | Kinnison, backlight goes definately off | 06:23 |
| LinuxJones | There seems to be a problem with a package "libopenh323-1.15.3c2_1.15.6-1_i386.deb" while doing a clean install of ubuntu-desktop. | 06:23 |
| ogra | (ibooks are great to test that ;) ) | 06:23 |
| ogra | but i think it should override the g-ss setting for locking, like the lock button in the menu does | 06:23 |
| ogra | Kinnison, apart from that, its fine :) | 06:24 |
| Kinnison | ogra: I think for now, it's better it honours the g-ss option | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | Possibly "Blank your screen" rather than "Lock screen"? | 06:25 |
| Kinnison | mjg59: if you issue a lock instruction to g-ss when it doesn't have locking enabled, does it still do anything? | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | It should expose the phrase "lock" unless it unconditionally does so | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | Kinnison: Unsure. Hang on... | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | Ha | 06:26 |
| mjg59 | It doesn't run under Xgl | 06:26 |
| mjg59 | So I can't test right now | 06:26 |
| Kinnison | heh | 06:26 |
| Kinnison | I'll try, give me a sec | 06:26 |
| ogra | hmm, it doesnt blank ... | 06:27 |
| ogra | Kinnison, you should probably omit the poke if lock is not set ... | 06:28 |
| ogra | (if it doent lock, the screen comes back immediately) | 06:29 |
| Kinnison | ogra: that patch does just that | 06:29 |
| ogra | the recent one ? | 06:29 |
| Kinnison | the most recent one yes | 06:29 |
| ogra | ok ... i'm one behind here ... | 06:29 |
| Kinnison | Can you try the latest? | 06:31 |
| ogra | i'm on it | 06:31 |
| Kinnison | cool | 06:31 |
| sivang | mjg59: xgl debs are go? :) | 06:35 |
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| mjg59 | sivang: Everything but the server | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | Which I'm test-building now | 06:36 |
| sivang | mjg59: wheee :) | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | Needs a bit of debconf love | 06:36 |
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| sivang | mjg59: and I assume Kinnison is helping you out with that? | 06:36 |
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| mjg59 | Nope | 06:37 |
| Kinnison | sivang: I'm not doing anything directly with mjg59 right now | 06:37 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: so I can impress my colleagues tomorrow? cool! you rock! :) | 06:37 |
| ogra | sivang, Kinnison makes powermanagement ROCK for us | 06:37 |
| sivang | ogra: ah, still, I was wondering if he already finished it and moved to the next task already :) | 06:38 |
| sivang | Kinnison: heh | 06:38 |
| === Kinnison has been slow on the uptake | ||
| ogra | sivang, its me who is lagging with the tests :) he's already done | 06:38 |
| sivang | ogra: hehe | 06:38 |
| sivang | figures | 06:38 |
| sivang | ogra: you're probably head over hills busy with edubuntu.. | 06:39 |
| sivang | guys, would you care to comment what to change / remove , split in this design for hub (please note this is incomplete, and the list view will get autoimatically filled on startup) - http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/backup-ng.png | 06:40 |
| sivang | some people already suggested splitting between backup and restore, | 06:40 |
| sivang | and some logical re-arrangemtn for the button.s | 06:40 |
| mjg59 | sivang: The top isn't very HIGgy looking | 06:40 |
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| ogra | Kinnison, even with the new one it doesnt have the screensaver running if i open the lid :/ | 06:40 |
| sivang | mjg59: okay, are you conversant with the HIG? I actually wanted to specifically collect your comments :) | 06:41 |
| mjg59 | sivang: Heh. Not something I've actually looked at lately, but I can tell by the way it doesn't look like any other Gnome app :) | 06:41 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, I think backup/restore should be split | 06:41 |
| Burgwork | sivang, calum might also be able to help you | 06:41 |
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| sivang | Burgwork: calum ? | 06:42 |
| Kinnison | ogra: It should only need you to kill/restat gnome-power-manager | 06:42 |
| ogra | Kinnison, yes, thats what i thought, but it doesnt work as expected | 06:42 |
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| Kinnison | ogra: kill gnome-power-manager | 06:42 |
| sivang | mjg59: cool, so it's you , mvo HiddenWolf and tseng already, basically I've followed mpt's original design but splitting seem to serve this better. | 06:42 |
| Kinnison | ogra: run gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --verbose | 06:42 |
| ogra | Kinnison, i did ... | 06:42 |
| ogra | ah | 06:42 |
| Kinnison | ogra: close the lid and reopen it | 06:42 |
| Kinnison | ogra: nopaste me the log | 06:43 |
| Burgwork | sivang, sun usability guy, on irc.gimp.net | 06:43 |
| sivang | Burgwork: is he doing the same for GNOME stuff? | 06:43 |
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| Burgwork | sivang, yes | 06:44 |
| ogra | Kinnison, http://pastebin.com/554588 | 06:44 |
| Burgwork | sivang, #usability | 06:44 |
| sivang | Burgwork: thanks | 06:44 |
| ogra | Kinnison, i guess its the ThrottleEnabled: 0 in the end | 06:45 |
| ogra | it should stay at 1 | 06:45 |
| Kinnison | ogra: Is your g-ss set to permit locking? | 06:45 |
| ogra | Kinnison, nope | 06:45 |
| Kinnison | ogra: aah the current patch won't lock then | 06:45 |
| ogra | Kinnison, but it should at least save ... | 06:45 |
| Kinnison | ogra: Give me a few minutes | 06:46 |
| ogra | it locks fine with locking enabled ... what i mean is that it neither starts the screensaver | 06:46 |
| ogra | (after opening the lid) | 06:46 |
| willy_ | Ok guys libopenh323-1.15.3c2_1.15.6-1_i386.deb is borked and won't allow a successfull install of Gnome on Breezy ! | 06:47 |
| ogra | willy_, file a bug .. | 06:48 |
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| Kinnison | ogra: okay, one last time | 06:52 |
| Kinnison | ogra: I will always call _lock regardless | 06:52 |
| ogra | oki | 06:52 |
| Kinnison | ogra: because you configured it to lock | 06:52 |
| Kinnison | ogra: and I always poke on lid open because it's harmless if you're not locked anyway | 06:53 |
| ogra | hmm... | 06:53 |
| ogra | 7me twiddles thumbs ... wonders if he should have taken a powerbook with faster disk ... | 06:55 |
| ogra | (and with a better shift key :) ) | 06:55 |
| Kinnison | heh | 06:56 |
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| dholbach | Kamion: I sent the current version of the patch to the gparted developer. | 07:00 |
| Kamion | dholbach: -0ubuntu2? | 07:00 |
| dholbach | yes | 07:00 |
| Kamion | dholbach: I'm going to send him a mail, since he mailed me asking about it - I just wanted to get the work I did today sorted out | 07:00 |
| Kinnison | ogra: I'm gonna go wash my hair ready to go out, hopefully you can have tested it before I get back | 07:00 |
| Kamion | because it had a big impact on whether installer mode would actually work | 07:00 |
| ogra | Kinnison, just installing | 07:00 |
| dholbach | Kamion: yeah, I thought so, when I read the changelog :-) | 07:01 |
| ogra | Kinnison, cool, ready for upload :) | 07:01 |
| ogra | it DTRT | 07:01 |
| Kamion | previously we just kind of had to hope that the user knew how to drive it, and that gparted wouldn't mind sitting around for a while during partman | 07:02 |
| dholbach | argh, yse, i can imagine | 07:03 |
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| dholbach | Kamion: i really hope they integrate it, since the 0.2 release has changes we really want (http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=389304&group_id=115843) - but that means altering your patch as well | 07:04 |
| Kinnison | ogra: fantastic, if you wouldn't mind doing the honours | 07:04 |
| ogra | will upload (just adding a closes #29881 to the changelog) | 07:05 |
| Kinnison | sure | 07:06 |
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| Kamion | dholbach: I understand the installer-mode.patch internals pretty well now, so if need be I can probably manage to forward-port it; but yes, I'll talk to upstream | 07:08 |
| dholbach | Kamion: that's great! :-) | 07:08 |
| Kamion | I'd like to do something other than partitioning for a while though; my head hurts ;) | 07:09 |
| dholbach | Kamion: go out and enjoy the evening! :) | 07:09 |
| Kamion | will be having a quiet evening in with Kirsten, I imagine | 07:10 |
| dholbach | That's good as well. | 07:10 |
| Kinnison | Kamion: come to the norfolk-st chinese for dinner? | 07:10 |
| Kamion | we have Benedict so I suspect that won't work, unfortunately | 07:11 |
| Kinnison | aah well | 07:11 |
| Kamion | but thanks | 07:11 |
| ogra | Kinnison, you are whitelisted already for uploads ? | 07:11 |
| Kinnison | ogra: I am not | 07:11 |
| Kinnison | ogra: so you have to sign it | 07:11 |
| Kamion | whitelist as in the e-mail whitelist | 07:11 |
| ogra | oh, ... hmm then the Accepted mail will go nowhere | 07:11 |
| Kamion | assuming soyuz still does that | 07:12 |
| Kinnison | it doesn't | 07:12 |
| Kinnison | ogra: you'll get the mail 'cos you signed it | 07:12 |
| Kamion | in that case it no longer matters :-) | 07:12 |
| ogra | oh | 07:12 |
| Kinnison | signer, changed-by and maintainer are all considered for mail | 07:12 |
| Kinnison | if they're in the relevant team in LP, they're mailed | 07:12 |
| ogra | it should go to the address in the changelog | 07:12 |
| Kamion | Kinnison: could you adjust http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads accordingly? | 07:12 |
| ogra | ah | 07:12 |
| Kamion | ogra: that would not be appropriate for syncs | 07:12 |
| ogra | Kamion, nope, but thats how katie did it | 07:13 |
| Kinnison | Kamion: can you mail me to remind me? I have to leave in 2 minutes | 07:13 |
| Kamion | ogra: not quite, no | 07:13 |
| Kinnison | ogra: believe me, it's careful | 07:13 |
| ogra | Kamion, for uploads, not syncs | 07:13 |
| Kamion | ogra: the algorithm didn't care | 07:13 |
| ogra | oh ... hmm | 07:13 |
| Kamion | it mailed whichever of maintainer/changed-by was in the whitelist | 07:14 |
| Kamion | the changelog was irrelevant except insofar as it produced a changed-by field in the .changes | 07:14 |
| Kamion | Kinnison: will do | 07:14 |
| ogra | thats what i meant ... | 07:14 |
| ogra | (the changed-by field) | 07:14 |
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| ogra | EEEK | 07:17 |
| Kinnison | ciau | 07:17 |
| ogra | it was targeted to unstable | 07:17 |
| ogra | gah, i didnt check ... | 07:17 |
| Kinnison | silly ogra | 07:17 |
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| Kamion | hmm, might need to tweak how gparted --installer does transient dialogs too | 07:17 |
| Kamion | but not today | 07:17 |
| dholbach | have a nice evening, Kamion :) | 07:18 |
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| ogra | Kinnison, that wasnt me who set it to this :P | 07:19 |
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| ogra | dholbach, woah, blender is a hell amount of changes ... | 07:35 |
| ogra | i'll do a testbuild tomorrow and check if there are any drawbacks | 07:36 |
| dholbach | i test-built it already | 07:36 |
| dholbach | builds nicely | 07:36 |
| ogra | i mean test it, i assumed it builds :) | 07:36 |
| dholbach | that's why i wrote my concerns in that mail as well | 07:36 |
| ogra | it should also run fine (i usually grab a blender animation from their homepage and let it run in wireframe and solid mode ... if it survives it should be fine) | 07:37 |
| sivang | mjg59: is there a way to find out the capacity of a blank CD/CDRW form hal? | 07:38 |
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| cfk | Kamion, every couple of days my preseed install breaks, like today it doesn't know where to install grub. Should I report this? guessing no, but need to confirm before my next Q...;) | 07:46 |
| cfk | wait.. is Kamion the right person to ask? | 07:46 |
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| dholbach | cfk: i hope he takes a rest atm | 07:51 |
| cfk | fair enough | 07:51 |
| dholbach | cfk: and reporting might make sense | 07:51 |
| Kamion | cfk: please do | 07:52 |
| Kamion | (report) | 07:52 |
| Kamion | yes, I'm the right person to ask | 07:53 |
| Kamion | I'm not gone for the evening *yet*, but will be RSN | 07:53 |
| cfk | k | 07:53 |
| cfk | any idea how I can dump the VT1 screen to a file? | 07:55 |
| ogra | cfk, i guess looking at the old base-config code (probably from breezy ?) should give you some hints | 07:57 |
| ogra | since that did the typescript stuff | 07:58 |
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| Kamion | cfk: you can't | 07:59 |
| Kamion | ogra: no, that's irrelevant | 07:59 |
| cfk | rats | 07:59 |
| ogra | ah, k | 07:59 |
| Kamion | base-config is DEAD DEAD DEAD in dapper and that typescript stuff never mattered for stage 1 anyway | 07:59 |
| Kamion | cfk: Mithrandir suggested catting /dev/fb0, I guess you could try that | 07:59 |
| Kamion | (or whatever the filename is in the installer) | 07:59 |
| Kamion | but I'm not entirely sure that'll work. some people use a physical camera ... | 08:00 |
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| ogra | or qemu and screenshots | 08:00 |
| Kamion | ... if the bug manifests in qemu | 08:00 |
| ogra | ... | 08:00 |
| sivang | yes, it's not always that easy to test / reproduce in qemu | 08:01 |
| sivang | I've heared vmware are offering free downloads of some of their client product.. | 08:01 |
| Kamion | yes, but you can't create new virtual machines in the vmware player | 08:02 |
| Kamion | well, at least not within the terms of the EULA; it does happen to be possible by fiddling around a bit, I'm told | 08:02 |
| Kamion | and vmware has the same problems as qemu with regard to reproducibility of bugs specific to particular hardware anyway | 08:02 |
| Kamion | although in general it is somewhat easier to set up and use | 08:02 |
| cfk | yeah - I'v done the camera, just trying to automate things with a script that makes a .tar out of anyting that might be usefull | 08:04 |
| Kamion | to be honest I find attachments of individual files much easier | 08:04 |
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| Kamion | that way I can just click on them in malone - if I get a tarball I have to faff around downloading it | 08:04 |
| cfk | I was affraid you were going to say that ;) | 08:04 |
| Kamion | and IME I tend to put those bug reports off to a later date (not particularly deliberately, it just seems to happen that way) | 08:05 |
| cfk | understood | 08:05 |
| mjg59 | sivang: Unsure | 08:10 |
| sebest__ | sjoerd: ping | 08:11 |
| sivang | mjg59: already asked sjoerd , it seems volume.disc.capacity is never reported by I am checking this as we speak. | 08:13 |
| sivang | sjoerd: yep, it's not working. maybe it's becasue I'm querying hal from python? | 08:13 |
| sjoerd | sivang: doesn't matter | 08:14 |
| sivang | sjoerd: volume size is also useless, it reports the size of the very small volume (probably factory placed) on a blank cd. | 08:15 |
| sivang | oh well, guess I'm off to trying with other tools :) | 08:15 |
| sebest__ | sjoerd, do you receive my private messages? | 08:16 |
| sjoerd | sebest__: nope apparently not | 08:16 |
| sebest__ | sjoerd i think it because i didn't register yet | 08:17 |
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| cfk | cat /dev/fb0 and dd if=/dev/fb0 gave different results, but neither seem to have anything usefull | 08:17 |
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| sjoerd | sivang: the code is there in the hal to set it correctly, dunno why it's not there | 08:20 |
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| sivang | sjoerd: bug? :) | 08:23 |
| sivang | sjoerd: I really need that informaiton for my spec implementation, can we fix it ? | 08:23 |
| sjoerd | sivang: dunno, need to look into it | 08:24 |
| sjoerd | sivang: could you file a bug on the debian package, then i'll look into it later this week | 08:24 |
| sjoerd | hopefully that's fast enough for you ? | 08:24 |
| Kamion | cfk: in any case, it's relatively rare that the contents of the screen are all that useful to me - I'd rather get a syslog of the installer running with DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 | 08:26 |
| Kamion | which is usually sufficient to tell me what's going on, and from my point of view somewhat more convenient | 08:26 |
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| cfk | k | 08:26 |
| sivang | sjoerd: could be :) | 08:26 |
| Kamion | cfk: of course that does require you to be able to run the installer with DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 from the start | 08:26 |
| Kamion | (it works as a kernel boot parameter) | 08:26 |
| cfk | ker.. good. | 08:27 |
| sivang | sjoerd: would it be very hard and tedious to maybe guide me where to check, I might fix that on that way..:) | 08:28 |
| mdke | Kamion, have you got a moment in the next few days or so to have a look at that email for the WikiLicensing spec? | 08:29 |
| sivang | sjoerd: I can also alwasy peopen to cdrdao and get that info there :) | 08:29 |
| sjoerd | sivang: the code is in hal/hald/linux2/probing/probe-volume.c , you could add some printf stuff there to see what goes wrong | 08:30 |
| sivang | sjoerd: thanks, I'll take a look there. | 08:31 |
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| Kamion | mdke: ok, will try to get to it tomorrow | 08:32 |
| mdke | Kamion, yay thanks | 08:33 |
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| Mithrandir | BenC: coolie; we might want to ask for an UVF exception for new squashfs-utils, then. | 08:42 |
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| sivang | sjoerd: the source pakcage (dapper) misses the run-hakd.sh and debug-hald.sh files, can I then just fire up ./hald from .../hald dir in the src pkg? | 08:46 |
| Kamion | mjg59: if you're cancelling TB tonight, could you tell the #ubuntu-meeting topic, please? | 08:48 |
| Kamion | mjg59: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 08:48 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: I still haven't heard from mdz, but I'm guessing so | 08:48 |
| Kamion | mdz's around on #canonical now | 08:49 |
| Kamion | er, no, #launchpad | 08:49 |
| mdz | I'm around | 08:49 |
| mdz | and will be attending | 08:49 |
| mjg59 | mdz: Ok, so we're going ahead? | 08:49 |
| mdz | assuming we have a quorum | 08:49 |
| mjg59 | I'll be there | 08:49 |
| mdz | Keybuk is essentially offline | 08:49 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk offered apologies earlier | 08:50 |
| mdz | I'll ping sabdfl | 08:50 |
| mdz | but the two of us should be enough to do the usual business | 08:50 |
| sjoerd | sivang: you should have a helper script in the debian dir of hal | 08:51 |
| mdz | Kinnison: ping (tech board) | 08:51 |
| cfk | Kamion, is this the right place to report preseed issues? (im attaching the preseed and syslog now) | 08:52 |
| cfk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/preseed/+bug/31432 | 08:52 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 31432 in preseed "timezone/hardware clock are not being set" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 08:52 |
| cfk | neat | 08:52 |
| sivang | sjoerd: I have run-hald there, I'll make it executable, but does it use binaries compiled inside built-tree/. ? | 08:53 |
| sjoerd | sivang: iirc it does | 08:53 |
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| sivang | sjoerd: hmm, it's missing a user id (haldaemon) | 08:57 |
| mjg59 | sivang: It should use hal under Debian, not haldaemon | 08:57 |
| sjoerd | yup, just run configure with the same arguments as the rules file does and you'll be fine :) | 08:58 |
| sivang | mjg59, sjoerd : ah :) | 08:58 |
| ogra | mdz, ping | 08:58 |
| sivang | sjoerd: btw, why isn't there the debug-hald.sh script? | 08:59 |
| sivang | (in the deb) | 08:59 |
| mdz | ogra: TB is starting | 08:59 |
| sjoerd | upstream doesn't ship it in the tarball | 09:00 |
| sivang | sjoerd: ah, so hald by default runs in verbose mode? will I be able to track it's probing etc? | 09:00 |
| ogra | mdz, i know ... just wanted to notify you that the debian guys sceduled a meeting in #ltsp on thursday 18:00 utc | 09:00 |
| sjoerd | sivang: if you run it with --daemon=no --verbose=yes it does, but there aren't much debug statements in the volume probing part | 09:01 |
| ogra | mdz, we are invited to attend ... | 09:02 |
| sivang | sjoerd: so there would my printouts come , hopefully :) | 09:02 |
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| gouchi | Hi | 09:06 |
| gouchi | sorry ask this | 09:08 |
| gouchi | will dapper have graphic grub ? | 09:08 |
| gouchi | I didn't find on Dapper Goals | 09:08 |
| Kamion | cfk: as good as any, I guess | 09:13 |
| Kamion | cfk: the debian-installer package is a good catch-all for installer issues | 09:15 |
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| shaya | mjg59: you here? | 09:16 |
| shaya | newest update to glitz cvs provides all the fixes fglrx needs | 09:16 |
| mjg59 | shaya: Thanks | 09:17 |
| shaya | basically previous fix, forces glx version to 1.3 if vendor is ATI, current version forces pbuffer and fbo's if glx version is 1.3 it seems | 09:18 |
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| shaya | mjg59: if you want to have some fun, rdesktop to a windows box, while running compiz | 09:19 |
| shaya | you'll have transparent windows :) | 09:19 |
| mjg59 | shaya: Woo | 09:20 |
| Treenaks | so I can try xserver-glx now ? :) | 09:21 |
| shaya | http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~spotter/screenshot.png | 09:21 |
| Treenaks | shaya: (any HOWTOs on this?) | 09:22 |
| shaya | I just built it by hand | 09:22 |
| shaya | wait for mjg59's debs | 09:22 |
| shaya | they are getting close | 09:22 |
| cfk | Kamion, syslog is 4meg, so won't fit on a floppy - will tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog be enough? | 09:22 |
| sivang | sjoerd: can't find anywhere on that file mention of "capacity" , but I can see other namespaces | 09:24 |
| sjoerd | sivang: probably nog in the logs, you'll need to add some extra debug info for that | 09:24 |
| sistpoty | elmo: please sync smilutils (0.3.0-8) from unstable, no ubuntu sepcific changes present. thx. | 09:24 |
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| sistpoty | elmo: please sync nco (2.9.9-2) from unstable, no ubuntu specific changes present. thx. | 09:26 |
| mdz | ogra: what sort of meeting? | 09:27 |
| ogra | mdz, the alioth pkg-ltsp team and future collaboration of development with ubuntu | 09:28 |
| sivang | sjoerd: but surely the string bit that create the namespace for disc.capacity should be there , *somewhere*, or am I missing something? | 09:28 |
| ogra | i'll be attending anyway, even if its my bday :P | 09:28 |
| mdz | ogra: I might be able to attend | 09:28 |
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| sivang | mjg59, mdz : There is currently an upstream fix for probing disc.capacity from hal, can we make this a patch to the dapper package? It will be nice to have it for HomeUserBackup and not have to peopen some external tool to probe disc capacity | 09:46 |
| mjg59 | sivang: Sure. Talk to pitti? | 09:47 |
| mdz | sivang: talk to pitti, he is knowledgeable about hal | 09:47 |
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| seb128 | I think pitti was considering asking an uvf exception for the new hal | 09:47 |
| seb128 | it would benefit to GNOME and fix some other stuff too | 09:47 |
| sivang | mdz, mjg59 : sure, thanks will do. | 09:49 |
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| sebest | would it be possible to make grub (and the kernel) to really be quite | 10:12 |
| sebest | not display anything between the grub countdown and the usplash | 10:12 |
| sebest | ? | 10:12 |
| zul | sebest: im working on it | 10:13 |
| sebest | zul: ah great, does it need to modify the kernel? | 10:13 |
| sebest | or only grub? | 10:13 |
| zul | grub | 10:13 |
| sebest | no more "uncompressing linux kernel"? | 10:14 |
| zul | thats something else... | 10:14 |
| sebest | it's built in the kernel uncompressing routines i guess | 10:14 |
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| Kamion | cfk: syslog should compress well, and you have gzip available | 10:46 |
| carl | now you tell me | 10:46 |
| Kamion | oh, no, you don't, whoops | 10:46 |
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| Kamion | last 500 lines would often be better than nothing, but it depends on the bug | 10:47 |
| carl | ill see if I can figure out how to scp it to the box I post from | 10:47 |
| Kamion | 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb', if you don't know that bit already | 10:48 |
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| carl | shouldn't you have gone to sleep about 12 hours ago? ;) | 10:48 |
| Kamion | no, I'm on UTC ... | 10:48 |
| Kamion | (that's my native timezone, even, not just an adopted one) | 10:48 |
| carl | I am runnign out the door, so heres a quick fly by bug report: the "early command" preseed thing stopped working too | 10:49 |
| carl | know anything about that? | 10:49 |
| Kamion | no, preseed/early_command should still work, although anything base-config-ish will no longer work | 10:49 |
| Kamion | (including base-config/early_command, that's gone) | 10:50 |
| carl | so no "apt-get install openssh-server" | 10:50 |
| carl | ah... I was using base-config | 10:50 |
| Kamion | you can do that in preseed/late_command, if you prefix it with chroot /target | 10:50 |
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| Kamion | or you can just preseed pkgsel/install-pattern | 10:50 |
| Kamion | d-i pkgsel/install-pattern string ~t^ubuntu-standard$|~t^ubuntu-desktop$|~n^openssh-server$ | 10:51 |
| Kamion | the requirement to use aptitude syntax is a bit awkward, but you get everything else handled for you that way | 10:51 |
| carl | neat | 10:51 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: One thing that suddenly springs to mind - is radeonfb able to set your screen mode correctly? | 10:53 |
| carl | when whill that take effect? | 10:53 |
| carl | as in, how soon can I scp from another host | 10:53 |
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| carl | ride is here... | 10:56 |
| carl | see ya | 10:56 |
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| Kamion | carl: immediately | 10:57 |
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| Kamion | but you can only scp to another host, not from another host - you'd need to fiddle with openssh-server-udeb and some extensive configuration to make the latter work, and I wouldn't recommend bothering | 10:58 |
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| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-ca from unstable, which is not yet in dapper | 11:12 |
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| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-de from unstable, which is not yet in dapper | 11:12 |
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| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-es from unstable, which is not yet in dapper | 11:12 |
| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-fr from unstable, which is not yet in dapper | 11:13 |
| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-it from unstable, which is not yet in dapper | 11:13 |
| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-nl from unstable, which is not yet in dapper | 11:13 |
| sistpoty | (only 3 more *g*) | 11:13 |
| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-pt from unstable, which is not yet in dapper | 11:13 |
| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-ru from unstable, which is not yet in dapper | 11:14 |
| sistpoty | elmo: please sync childsplay-alphabet-sounds-sv from unstable, which is not yet in dapper... thx! | 11:14 |
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| ogra | sistpoty, did you think about this invention called email ? | 11:17 |
| ogra | :) | 11:18 |
| sistpoty | ogra: sorry for spamming... next time I got a bunch of syncs, I'll do it by email ;) | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | maybe we need an ubuntu-elmo ML ;-) | 11:18 |
| ogra | sistpoty, its more likely to get his attention :) | 11:18 |
| sistpoty | :) | 11:19 |
| ogra | (i dont care about the spam) | 11:19 |
| slomo_ | he doesn't do syncs currently anyway | 11:19 |
| sistpoty | maybe I should have written childsplay-alphabet-sounds-* | 11:19 |
| ogra | slomo_, and he wont forget them if you mail ... irc is easily lost ... | 11:19 |
| slomo_ | ogra: yes... that's why i mail them now instead of saying it here ;) | 11:20 |
| ogra | yup ... | 11:20 |
| ogra | :) | 11:20 |
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| mjg59 | Treenaks: Uh. Have you actually built this driver under Ubuntu? | 11:37 |
| dholbach | good night | 11:39 |
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