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dsasLaserJock: the Ubuntu desktop guide that is, though i'd guess most of the work would cross over12:03
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LaserJockdsas: ok, thanks. I haven't actually looked at much of the other documentation, I just tend to focus on what I'm working on :(12:04
dsasLaserJock: I've mainly looked and not worked ;)12:06
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LaserJockactually, now that I look at it. I think it would be nice to have some sort of notation about which apps in that list can be installed from the Ubuntu repos.12:09
LaserJockwhen I'm looking at software lists it is nice to have some idea as to the ease of installations (installed by default, installed through apt, build your own, etc.)12:10
dsasI think that they are all installed via apt using main or universe with the exception of netbeans.12:18
dsasinterestingly there's two eric3s12:20
LaserJockthen we should at least have a note with netbeans that says that it isn't in the Ubuntu repos12:21
dsasLaserJock: ok I'll make sure to do that.12:24
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hyperactivecrondKyral: how doth the installguide come?02:53
KyralConsidering Ubuntu Express isn't out yet?02:53
hyperactivecrondlemme get this straight: gui install != ubuntu express, yes?02:53
Kyralno Ubuntu Express is the installer, IIRC02:54
hyperactivecrondany help here?02:54
hyperactivecrondi thought express == the livecd that u run from and then install it if u want02:54
KyralThere is already documentation on the NCurses installer02:54
KyralAnd being able to install from the LiveCD would make the Install CD not needed anymore ;D02:55
hyperactivecrond*grim grimace*02:56
KyralI rest my case02:58
hyperactivecrondkyral espresso == ubuntu express => install from livecd03:01
Kyral...03:01
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robotgeekhmm, jjesse isn't on here. 04:14
LaserJockunfortunately you guys seem to have bad timezones04:17
robotgeekwhere's jjesse located again?04:18
LaserJockI don't know04:18
jsgotangcoUSA04:19
Madpilotjust a heads up: I'm hacking most of the Desktop Guide up for the next hour or so - I'll send to the list when I'm done, and it would be nice if folks stayed away from committing until then - thanks...04:19
jsgotangcohave you guys seen this?04:19
jsgotangcohttp://www.darlugo.com/?id=388&hp=104:19
LaserJockMadpilot: in other words "Back Off!" ;-)04:19
MadpilotLaserJock: wasn't going to be so blunt, but I'm likely to touch every file in desktopguide in the next hour or so... :P04:20
robotgeekextremely neat jsgotangco 04:21
jsgotangcotiles04:22
jsgotangcowhat a neat concept04:22
LaserJocksome of the stuff was really cool04:23
LaserJocksome of it I didn't really understand the point04:24
jsgotangcowell04:24
jsgotangcoi dont think we'll be using them soon04:24
LaserJockit would need to have a CLI and then I might think about it ;-)04:27
jsgotangcohopefully your tile won't shatter easily04:29
LaserJockno kidding, it would be fun to carry them around in my backpack though, put my laptop together when I get to class04:30
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Madpilotjsgotangco: diffs off to the list - four of them for Ub. Desktop Guide04:46
jsgotangcohold on04:46
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jsgotangcoMadpilot, done04:53
LaserJockhmm, I wish the Packaging Guide had enough of a status to track :(04:53
Madpilotanyone know what other status tags DocBooks knows aside from "writing" and "review"?04:56
Madpilotjsgotangco: thanks, btw - wish my commit access would get arranged... :P04:57
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jsgotangcoMadpilot, mdke hasn't made a request from elmo yet?05:13
Madpilothe has, I think, but I haven't heard back05:14
LaserJockit took me quite some time (2 weeks maybe)05:15
LaserJockalthough it was over a month after it was supposed to05:16
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bhuvanMadpilot: in addition to "writing", "review" we can also have "help" status 05:17
Madpilotbhuvan: which means "This section needs help"?05:18
bhuvanyep05:18
bhuvan"Help Wanted" check http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/status/sg-report.html05:19
Madpilotbhuvan: did you see sabdfl's post to planet.u.c? He denies the Goobuntu rumours...05:19
bhuvanMadpilot, ok05:19
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Madpilotbhuvan: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/2005:33
bhuvanMadpilot, i have located it, thanks05:34
Madpilotnp05:38
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robotgeekjsgotangco: ping06:17
jsgotangcohi06:17
robotgeekcan you commit the set of patches i mailed earlier?06:18
jsgotangcoi'll look for it06:22
jsgotangcohmm06:22
jsgotangcobookinfo.xml.patch - Added information about other contributors06:31
jsgotangcocommon-tasks.xml.patch - Additions by Kenminardo, DerekBuranen, KorkyKathman06:31
jsgotangcogetting-help.xml.patch - :s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu wherever appropriate06:31
jsgotangcogetting-started.xml.patch - Cleaning up06:31
jsgotangcotips-and-tricks.xml.patch - Gnome with kde,gdm with kdm06:31
jsgotangcothis one?06:31
jsgotangcorobotgeek, that one?06:32
robotgeekyeah06:33
jsgotangcook doing it now sorry i didnt notice it06:33
robotgeekno problem06:33
robotgeekjsgotangco: i'm applying for membership next meeting, it would be nice if you could make it :)06:34
jsgotangcoyes of course06:34
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robotgeeki don't think time has been set yet06:34
jsgotangcoahh no time yet06:34
jsgotangcohopefully its not those ungodly hours (20UTC to 22UTC)06:35
robotgeekjsgotangco: what time does that correspond to in your time zone06:35
Madpilot1400Z is nearly the only time that works for me - even that's 0600 local :P06:35
jsgotangcothat's around 4 am to 6am06:37
jsgotangcoheh06:37
Madpilot2000Z = 4am for you? bleh06:37
robotgeeki'm mostly nocturnal, so don't matter to me :)06:37
Madpilotnoon here - I'm usually at work or heading there06:38
robotgeeki'll ping you all as soon as i hear of the time :)06:39
jsgotangcorobotgeek, done06:39
robotgeekgreat! thanks jsgotangco 06:39
jsgotangcothanks too06:39
jsgotangcoooppss should be venkat not vengkat06:40
jsgotangcosorry06:40
robotgeeknp, i don't think ppl are going to mistake it for anything else!06:41
Madpilotrobotgeek: I'm sub'd to the CCAgenda wiki page, so I'll know when they finally post the next meeting time06:41
jsgotangcoKenminardo, DerekBuranen, KorkyKathman06:41
jsgotangco?06:41
robotgeekjsgotangco: those are the ppl i am working with06:41
jsgotangcorobotgeek, surely they are aware that we're releasing this on a dual license?06:41
robotgeekjsgotangco: i don't think they will have issues with that06:42
robotgeeki'll just ask to make sure06:42
jsgotangcorobotgeek, please clarfiy to make sure or better yet let's invite them here06:42
robotgeekokay, CC-SA and GDFL?06:42
Madpilotsome/all of them have been on IRC & here before, jsgotangco06:43
jsgotangcoahh06:43
jsgotangcorobotgeek, right06:43
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jsgotangcok i got back to work first06:44
robotgeekkkathman: apparently i missed a clarification on licensing issues06:44
kkathmanok06:44
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kkathmanrobotgeek: what is that?06:45
robotgeekkkathman: just to make you aware, the guide is going to be released under 2 licenses. Gnu Free Documentation License, and CC by SA. 06:45
kkathmanok06:45
robotgeekhowever, i was hoping that jsgotangco or Madpilot could offer some insight on to why that is important. I don't mind it at all, lol06:45
kkathmanNor I06:46
kkathmanInternational implications perhaps?06:46
robotgeekkkathman: i guess none of the others would mind too06:46
kkathmanI wouldnt think so06:46
LaserJockrobotgeek: are you wondering about the docteam license?06:46
kkathmanMy work here is purely voluntary, and I would hope the licensing would be done by those that would know :)06:47
jsgotangcohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License06:47
robotgeekLaserJock: yeah, the dual license thing. jsgotangco wanted me to make sure that all contributors were okay with it06:47
robotgeekthanks jsgotangco 06:47
kkathmanMaybe we just need to know why we would NOT be ok with it?06:47
jsgotangcomost contributors are ok with a free license in a free project06:48
jsgotangcoheh06:48
kkathmansure06:48
jsgotangcocool06:49
jsgotangcokkathman, we're cool really, just making sure you know about it06:49
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kkathmanappreciate that jsgotangco :)  Im just fine with it06:49
jsgotangcothanks06:49
kkathmanwell Im off to bed then :)06:50
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robotgeekcool, i'll go away for a while now :)06:51
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Madpilotinteresting - there is/was a CC:SA license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sa/1.0/08:39
Madpilotthe current licenses are 2.0 or 2.5 - this was one of their first-gen ones08:40
jsgotangcowe haven't been discussing much about changing the licenses08:45
jsgotangcooh shit08:45
jsgotangcoi have to edit that meeting page08:45
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MadpilotI just linked MeetingAgenda to that worldclock site, the one that the CCAgenda page uses08:52
jsgotangcoi used to have that, someone erased it08:52
Madpilotuseful site, that one08:53
jsgotangcomdke_, hmm were you able to get around with that edubuntu script for doc.ubuntu.com? 09:01
mdke_jsgotangco, gah, thanks for reminding me. I'll do it today definitely09:02
mdke_sorry09:02
jsgotangcocheers09:02
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Madpilotmdke_: hmm?09:04
MadpilotHappy Valentine's Day to you too :P09:04
mdke_oh bloody hell09:05
mdkethe hug was for the dg patch, but thanks for reminding me of valentines day too09:05
Madpilotthe status stuff? np09:06
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mdkeMadpilot, status tags available are at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects09:12
mdkeKyral, i think the installer is now working. It is called "espresso", and if you want to write some documentation for it, you can build on the guidalinex documentation already available09:14
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Madpilotwhy is there such a huge blob of white space below "Projects" here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects09:24
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manickaare there any vmware player dapper virtual machines available?10:09
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jsgotangcomdke, wow i didn't notice the guy was from SUSE (gnome-doc list)05:10
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LaserJockmdke: interesting thunderbird doesn't have a "Reply To List", it must be a bad email client :-)06:38
mdkenah06:38
mdkeit's just not in the list of good email clients that have one06:38
mdke;)06:38
LaserJockmdke: is it ok to make a .ent file for a particular doc. I have quite a few things I'm using over and over again but they aren't really useful outside of the Packaging Guide.06:47
mdkesure06:47
mdkeor put them in the top of the packageingguide.xml06:48
LaserJockmdke: ok06:49
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Burgworkmdke, rofl to the sounder post about Donald Duck09:15
mdkeBurgwork, :D09:24
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mdkeBurgwork, i wonder if we can combine the shipit and free entries for the flash thing.09:27
mdkeafterall, shipit is free09:28
Burgworkhow about start out talking about free software and then transition to shipit and talk about free as in beer09:28
mdkei'm just conscious that they may have to limit the number of items, so yeah, a combined one along those lines would work, I think09:29
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mdkeI think the page is more or less ready for mark to look at and make some choices, and for them to start on some animations09:30
mdkeI'm really keen for the documentation one to make it09:30
mdke:)09:30
BurgworkI think the page is ready as well09:31
Burgworkalso I don't have more time to put into it09:31
Burgworkbloody book09:31
Madpilothi Burgwork - how's the bloody book going?09:32
mdkeBurgwork, :)09:32
mdkeeveryone in the docteam is writing a bloody book09:32
mdkeexcept me09:32
mdke>_<09:32
LaserJockhmm, I'm not, at least I don't think I am09:32
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mdkenoooo09:32
Madpilotno book here, either :P09:33
mdkestay and be in my club09:33
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LaserJockmdke: ok, no book writing for me09:33
jjessei just have the corrections of the 1st draft to make for my chapter09:34
Madpilotneed to go to work - later, all09:37
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jjessewho is working on the packaging guide again?09:47
LaserJockme09:47
LaserJockthe Ubuntu package guide that is09:47
jjesseis there a difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu packagin?09:48
jjesseis there a way the guide can accomodate both of them?09:48
LaserJocksome, I plan on getting Riddell or jpatrick to help write a section09:48
jjesseok cool they were just talking about it at the tech board meeting09:48
LaserJockjjesse: I'm there too ;-)09:48
jjesseah didn't see you were there 09:49
jjessesilly jjesse09:49
LaserJockI'm up next09:49
jjessegood luck, its tough i didn't realize how tougher it is from becominng a ubuntu member09:50
mdkebest of luck LaserJock 09:56
LaserJockmdke: thanks, I need it09:56
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mdkenah, even if you don't get there now, you will soon09:57
mdkeand we love ya09:57
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KyralDo the Daily Builds have the new Installer on them yet..10:17
KyralI wanna get working on this before school buries me again10:18
mdkeKyral, apt-get install espresso10:29
mdkeespresso - Ubuntu live CD installer10:29
LaserJockthanks guys10:29
mdkeit was released a couple of weeks back10:29
mdkeLaserJock, success?10:29
LaserJocknot yet, not sure10:29
mdkeKyral, you might be interested in this too:10:29
mdkeespresso-guadalinex-doc - Guadalinex documentation and help files for Espresso live installer10:29
jjessetook forever for jpatrick to get through10:29
mdkeespresso-ubuntu-doc - Ubuntu documentation and help files for Espresso live installer10:29
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mdkeKyral, ?10:33
Kyralhuh?10:34
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mdkeKyral, does that help?10:35
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robotgeekhe's doing quite a bit on the WifiDocs10:36
Kyralsorry I'm zoning10:36
Kyral...10:36
mdkerobotgeek, he comes in here sometimes, nick of lambert10:36
KyralLJ going for MOTU kinda reminded me how much I have slipped in my activity recently10:36
LaserJockKyral: well, I didn't make it exactly so you have some time to catch up10:37
robotgeekLaserJock: too bad, you'll nail it next time10:40
LaserJockI suppose10:40
jjessethe only reason that you didn't get in was due to the fact that none of your sponsors were there10:40
LaserJockthat's what I get for doing to much documentation and organizational work and not enough uploads10:40
LaserJock;-)10:41
robotgeekhey jjesse 10:41
KyralOy...10:41
KyralI'm gonna have to use cdbs on this one10:41
jjessehey robotgeek10:41
robotgeekwow, this feels nice10:42
robotgeeki'm in a virtual terminal, lol10:42
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