[12:03] <dsas> LaserJock: the Ubuntu desktop guide that is, though i'd guess most of the work would cross over
[12:04] <LaserJock> dsas: ok, thanks. I haven't actually looked at much of the other documentation, I just tend to focus on what I'm working on :(
[12:06] <dsas> LaserJock: I've mainly looked and not worked ;)
[12:09] <LaserJock> actually, now that I look at it. I think it would be nice to have some sort of notation about which apps in that list can be installed from the Ubuntu repos.
[12:10] <LaserJock> when I'm looking at software lists it is nice to have some idea as to the ease of installations (installed by default, installed through apt, build your own, etc.)
[12:18] <dsas> I think that they are all installed via apt using main or universe with the exception of netbeans.
[12:20] <dsas> interestingly there's two eric3s
[12:21] <LaserJock> then we should at least have a note with netbeans that says that it isn't in the Ubuntu repos
[12:24] <dsas> LaserJock: ok I'll make sure to do that.
[02:53] <hyperactivecrond> Kyral: how doth the installguide come?
[02:53] <Kyral> Considering Ubuntu Express isn't out yet?
[02:53] <hyperactivecrond> lemme get this straight: gui install != ubuntu express, yes?
[02:54] <Kyral> no Ubuntu Express is the installer, IIRC
[02:54] <hyperactivecrond> any help here?
[02:54] <hyperactivecrond> i thought express == the livecd that u run from and then install it if u want
[02:54] <Kyral> There is already documentation on the NCurses installer
[02:55] <Kyral> And being able to install from the LiveCD would make the Install CD not needed anymore ;D
[02:56] <hyperactivecrond> *grim grimace*
[02:58] <Kyral> I rest my case
[03:01] <hyperactivecrond> kyral espresso == ubuntu express => install from livecd
[03:01] <Kyral> ...
[04:14] <robotgeek> hmm, jjesse isn't on here. 
[04:17] <LaserJock> unfortunately you guys seem to have bad timezones
[04:18] <robotgeek> where's jjesse located again?
[04:18] <LaserJock> I don't know
[04:19] <jsgotangco> USA
[04:19] <Madpilot> just a heads up: I'm hacking most of the Desktop Guide up for the next hour or so - I'll send to the list when I'm done, and it would be nice if folks stayed away from committing until then - thanks...
[04:19] <jsgotangco> have you guys seen this?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> http://www.darlugo.com/?id=388&hp=1
[04:19] <LaserJock> Madpilot: in other words "Back Off!" ;-)
[04:20] <Madpilot> LaserJock: wasn't going to be so blunt, but I'm likely to touch every file in desktopguide in the next hour or so... :P
[04:21] <robotgeek> extremely neat jsgotangco 
[04:22] <jsgotangco> tiles
[04:22] <jsgotangco> what a neat concept
[04:23] <LaserJock> some of the stuff was really cool
[04:24] <LaserJock> some of it I didn't really understand the point
[04:24] <jsgotangco> well
[04:24] <jsgotangco> i dont think we'll be using them soon
[04:27] <LaserJock> it would need to have a CLI and then I might think about it ;-)
[04:29] <jsgotangco> hopefully your tile won't shatter easily
[04:30] <LaserJock> no kidding, it would be fun to carry them around in my backpack though, put my laptop together when I get to class
[04:46] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: diffs off to the list - four of them for Ub. Desktop Guide
[04:46] <jsgotangco> hold on
[04:53] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, done
[04:53] <LaserJock> hmm, I wish the Packaging Guide had enough of a status to track :(
[04:56] <Madpilot> anyone know what other status tags DocBooks knows aside from "writing" and "review"?
[04:57] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: thanks, btw - wish my commit access would get arranged... :P
[05:13] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, mdke hasn't made a request from elmo yet?
[05:14] <Madpilot> he has, I think, but I haven't heard back
[05:15] <LaserJock> it took me quite some time (2 weeks maybe)
[05:16] <LaserJock> although it was over a month after it was supposed to
[05:17] <bhuvan> Madpilot: in addition to "writing", "review" we can also have "help" status 
[05:18] <Madpilot> bhuvan: which means "This section needs help"?
[05:18] <bhuvan> yep
[05:19] <bhuvan> "Help Wanted" check http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/status/sg-report.html
[05:19] <Madpilot> bhuvan: did you see sabdfl's post to planet.u.c? He denies the Goobuntu rumours...
[05:19] <bhuvan> Madpilot, ok
[05:33] <Madpilot> bhuvan: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/20
[05:34] <bhuvan> Madpilot, i have located it, thanks
[05:38] <Madpilot> np
[06:17] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: ping
[06:17] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:18] <robotgeek> can you commit the set of patches i mailed earlier?
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i'll look for it
[06:22] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:31] <jsgotangco> bookinfo.xml.patch - Added information about other contributors
[06:31] <jsgotangco> common-tasks.xml.patch - Additions by Kenminardo, DerekBuranen, KorkyKathman
[06:31] <jsgotangco> getting-help.xml.patch - :s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu wherever appropriate
[06:31] <jsgotangco> getting-started.xml.patch - Cleaning up
[06:31] <jsgotangco> tips-and-tricks.xml.patch - Gnome with kde,gdm with kdm
[06:31] <jsgotangco> this one?
[06:32] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, that one?
[06:33] <robotgeek> yeah
[06:33] <jsgotangco> ok doing it now sorry i didnt notice it
[06:33] <robotgeek> no problem
[06:34] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i'm applying for membership next meeting, it would be nice if you could make it :)
[06:34] <jsgotangco> yes of course
[06:34] <robotgeek> i don't think time has been set yet
[06:34] <jsgotangco> ahh no time yet
[06:35] <jsgotangco> hopefully its not those ungodly hours (20UTC to 22UTC)
[06:35] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: what time does that correspond to in your time zone
[06:35] <Madpilot> 1400Z is nearly the only time that works for me - even that's 0600 local :P
[06:37] <jsgotangco> that's around 4 am to 6am
[06:37] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:37] <Madpilot> 2000Z = 4am for you? bleh
[06:37] <robotgeek> i'm mostly nocturnal, so don't matter to me :)
[06:38] <Madpilot> noon here - I'm usually at work or heading there
[06:39] <robotgeek> i'll ping you all as soon as i hear of the time :)
[06:39] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, done
[06:39] <robotgeek> great! thanks jsgotangco 
[06:39] <jsgotangco> thanks too
[06:40] <jsgotangco> ooppss should be venkat not vengkat
[06:40] <jsgotangco> sorry
[06:41] <robotgeek> np, i don't think ppl are going to mistake it for anything else!
[06:41] <Madpilot> robotgeek: I'm sub'd to the CCAgenda wiki page, so I'll know when they finally post the next meeting time
[06:41] <jsgotangco> Kenminardo, DerekBuranen, KorkyKathman
[06:41] <jsgotangco> ?
[06:41] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: those are the ppl i am working with
[06:41] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, surely they are aware that we're releasing this on a dual license?
[06:42] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i don't think they will have issues with that
[06:42] <robotgeek> i'll just ask to make sure
[06:42] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, please clarfiy to make sure or better yet let's invite them here
[06:42] <robotgeek> okay, CC-SA and GDFL?
[06:43] <Madpilot> some/all of them have been on IRC & here before, jsgotangco
[06:43] <jsgotangco> ahh
[06:43] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, right
[06:44] <jsgotangco> k i got back to work first
[06:44] <robotgeek> kkathman: apparently i missed a clarification on licensing issues
[06:44] <kkathman> ok
[06:45] <kkathman> robotgeek: what is that?
[06:45] <robotgeek> kkathman: just to make you aware, the guide is going to be released under 2 licenses. Gnu Free Documentation License, and CC by SA. 
[06:45] <kkathman> ok
[06:45] <robotgeek> however, i was hoping that jsgotangco or Madpilot could offer some insight on to why that is important. I don't mind it at all, lol
[06:46] <kkathman> Nor I
[06:46] <kkathman> International implications perhaps?
[06:46] <robotgeek> kkathman: i guess none of the others would mind too
[06:46] <kkathman> I wouldnt think so
[06:46] <LaserJock> robotgeek: are you wondering about the docteam license?
[06:47] <kkathman> My work here is purely voluntary, and I would hope the licensing would be done by those that would know :)
[06:47] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License
[06:47] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yeah, the dual license thing. jsgotangco wanted me to make sure that all contributors were okay with it
[06:47] <robotgeek> thanks jsgotangco 
[06:47] <kkathman> Maybe we just need to know why we would NOT be ok with it?
[06:48] <jsgotangco> most contributors are ok with a free license in a free project
[06:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:48] <kkathman> sure
[06:49] <jsgotangco> cool
[06:49] <jsgotangco> kkathman, we're cool really, just making sure you know about it
[06:49] <kkathman> appreciate that jsgotangco :)  Im just fine with it
[06:49] <jsgotangco> thanks
[06:50] <kkathman> well Im off to bed then :)
[06:51] <robotgeek> cool, i'll go away for a while now :)
[08:39] <Madpilot> interesting - there is/was a CC:SA license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sa/1.0/
[08:40] <Madpilot> the current licenses are 2.0 or 2.5 - this was one of their first-gen ones
[08:45] <jsgotangco> we haven't been discussing much about changing the licenses
[08:45] <jsgotangco> oh shit
[08:45] <jsgotangco> i have to edit that meeting page
[08:47] <jsgotangco> gahh
[08:52] <Madpilot> I just linked MeetingAgenda to that worldclock site, the one that the CCAgenda page uses
[08:52] <jsgotangco> i used to have that, someone erased it
[08:53] <Madpilot> useful site, that one
[09:01] <jsgotangco> mdke_, hmm were you able to get around with that edubuntu script for doc.ubuntu.com? 
[09:02] <mdke_> jsgotangco, gah, thanks for reminding me. I'll do it today definitely
[09:02] <mdke_> sorry
[09:02] <jsgotangco> cheers
[09:04] <Madpilot> mdke_: hmm?
[09:04] <Madpilot> Happy Valentine's Day to you too :P
[09:05] <mdke_> oh bloody hell
[09:05] <mdke> the hug was for the dg patch, but thanks for reminding me of valentines day too
[09:06] <Madpilot> the status stuff? np
[09:12] <mdke> Madpilot, status tags available are at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects
[09:14] <mdke> Kyral, i think the installer is now working. It is called "espresso", and if you want to write some documentation for it, you can build on the guidalinex documentation already available
[09:24] <Madpilot> why is there such a huge blob of white space below "Projects" here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects
[10:09] <manicka> are there any vmware player dapper virtual machines available?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> mdke, wow i didn't notice the guy was from SUSE (gnome-doc list)
[06:38] <LaserJock> mdke: interesting thunderbird doesn't have a "Reply To List", it must be a bad email client :-)
[06:38] <mdke> nah
[06:38] <mdke> it's just not in the list of good email clients that have one
[06:38] <mdke> ;)
[06:47] <LaserJock> mdke: is it ok to make a .ent file for a particular doc. I have quite a few things I'm using over and over again but they aren't really useful outside of the Packaging Guide.
[06:47] <mdke> sure
[06:48] <mdke> or put them in the top of the packageingguide.xml
[06:49] <LaserJock> mdke: ok
[09:15] <Burgwork> mdke, rofl to the sounder post about Donald Duck
[09:24] <mdke> Burgwork, :D
[09:27] <mdke> Burgwork, i wonder if we can combine the shipit and free entries for the flash thing.
[09:28] <mdke> afterall, shipit is free
[09:28] <Burgwork> how about start out talking about free software and then transition to shipit and talk about free as in beer
[09:29] <mdke> i'm just conscious that they may have to limit the number of items, so yeah, a combined one along those lines would work, I think
[09:30] <mdke> I think the page is more or less ready for mark to look at and make some choices, and for them to start on some animations
[09:30] <mdke> I'm really keen for the documentation one to make it
[09:30] <mdke> :)
[09:31] <Burgwork> I think the page is ready as well
[09:31] <Burgwork> also I don't have more time to put into it
[09:31] <Burgwork> bloody book
[09:32] <Madpilot> hi Burgwork - how's the bloody book going?
[09:32] <mdke> Burgwork, :)
[09:32] <mdke> everyone in the docteam is writing a bloody book
[09:32] <mdke> except me
[09:32] <mdke> >_<
[09:32] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not, at least I don't think I am
[09:32] <mdke> noooo
[09:33] <Madpilot> no book here, either :P
[09:33] <mdke> stay and be in my club
[09:33] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, no book writing for me
[09:34] <jjesse> i just have the corrections of the 1st draft to make for my chapter
[09:37] <Madpilot> need to go to work - later, all
[09:47] <jjesse> who is working on the packaging guide again?
[09:47] <LaserJock> me
[09:47] <LaserJock> the Ubuntu package guide that is
[09:48] <jjesse> is there a difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu packagin?
[09:48] <jjesse> is there a way the guide can accomodate both of them?
[09:48] <LaserJock> some, I plan on getting Riddell or jpatrick to help write a section
[09:48] <jjesse> ok cool they were just talking about it at the tech board meeting
[09:48] <LaserJock> jjesse: I'm there too ;-)
[09:49] <jjesse> ah didn't see you were there 
[09:49] <jjesse> silly jjesse
[09:49] <LaserJock> I'm up next
[09:50] <jjesse> good luck, its tough i didn't realize how tougher it is from becominng a ubuntu member
[09:56] <mdke> best of luck LaserJock 
[09:56] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks, I need it
[09:57] <mdke> nah, even if you don't get there now, you will soon
[09:57] <mdke> and we love ya
[10:17] <Kyral> Do the Daily Builds have the new Installer on them yet..
[10:18] <Kyral> I wanna get working on this before school buries me again
[10:29] <mdke> Kyral, apt-get install espresso
[10:29] <mdke> espresso - Ubuntu live CD installer
[10:29] <LaserJock> thanks guys
[10:29] <mdke> it was released a couple of weeks back
[10:29] <mdke> LaserJock, success?
[10:29] <LaserJock> not yet, not sure
[10:29] <mdke> Kyral, you might be interested in this too:
[10:29] <mdke> espresso-guadalinex-doc - Guadalinex documentation and help files for Espresso live installer
[10:29] <jjesse> took forever for jpatrick to get through
[10:29] <mdke> espresso-ubuntu-doc - Ubuntu documentation and help files for Espresso live installer
[10:33] <mdke> Kyral, ?
[10:34] <Kyral> huh?
[10:35] <mdke> Kyral, does that help?
[10:36] <robotgeek> he's doing quite a bit on the WifiDocs
[10:36] <Kyral> sorry I'm zoning
[10:36] <Kyral> ...
[10:36] <mdke> robotgeek, he comes in here sometimes, nick of lambert
[10:36] <Kyral> LJ going for MOTU kinda reminded me how much I have slipped in my activity recently
[10:37] <LaserJock> Kyral: well, I didn't make it exactly so you have some time to catch up
[10:40] <robotgeek> LaserJock: too bad, you'll nail it next time
[10:40] <LaserJock> I suppose
[10:40] <jjesse> the only reason that you didn't get in was due to the fact that none of your sponsors were there
[10:40] <LaserJock> that's what I get for doing to much documentation and organizational work and not enough uploads
[10:41] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:41] <robotgeek> hey jjesse 
[10:41] <Kyral> Oy...
[10:41] <Kyral> I'm gonna have to use cdbs on this one
[10:41] <jjesse> hey robotgeek
[10:42] <robotgeek> wow, this feels nice
[10:42] <robotgeek> i'm in a virtual terminal, lol